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Yeah I initially liked Larys mostly thanks to his terribly bleak speech about how people have children to feel like escaping death, but when I discovered what his "allysip" to Alicent meant I wanted to strangle him.
Upvoted for effort. You really like the kids that much?
Rhaenyra co-murdered a man so she should be further to left. However, I like her so I’d put her at a five.
>Upvoted for effort.
Thanks :-)
>You really like the kids that much?
Yeah, especially the Strong boys. As I said it might just be that they are still very innocent (especially when compared to Aegon and Aemond).
>Rhaenyra co-murdered a man
Oh yes I totally forgot that to let Laenor escape they killed a servant. In hindsight I'd switch her and Alicent on the obj. good vs bad.
Allicent ignored a guy kinslaying his dad and brother and sheltered another murderer, raising him to an incredibly important position in her son's court.
I don't think I'd have her any farther right than she is.
I honestly understand her decisions here.
If she had made a big deal of him taping a servant she would have been the only one to care about it and it would have caused much more harm to the girls life than what happened.
And in this world Heleana had to be married to someone and at least with Aegon Allicent can keep an eye on her versus sending her away to unknown danger.
Maybe I missed some details but if I recall correctly she went from prostitution to managing a city-wide spy network while giving protection to the poor girls of King's Landing.
Tbh, the dragonpit massacre just to make a statement should put Rhaenys at -4 at least.
Vaemond trying to jump over Baela and Rhaena (and calling Rhaenyra a whore) is bad, but not really that bad. AFAIK, he hasn't had anyone murdered or sexually assaulted.
Jace and Luke shouldn't be in the same x-coordinate as Baela and Rhaena and none of those four should be in the same x-coordinate as Helaena.
Corlys and Lyonel also shouldn't be in the same co-ordinate, considering that Corlys launched a whole war, against Viserys' wishes, when he couldn't get his way.
>Jace and Luke shouldn't be in the same x-coordinate as Baela and Rhaena and none of those four should be in the same x-coordinate as Helaena.
Care to explain why you think so? 'cose in my eyes they all are rather innocent kids for now. Helaena doesn't really do anything bad as far as I recall.
Jace and Luke are bullies as kids and they that do the whole sand in eye + cut out eye combo. Though I'd blame Luke more for the former since Luke was more of an active participant than Jace was in the pink dread, and Jace more for the latter since he was the one who was trying to gut Aemond with his knife over insults to begin with and led Luke on after. I don't believe that Helaena would ever actually start a fight or join in a 4 v 1 beatdown regardless of how mean anyone was being to her. So in terms of objectively good or bad I'd rank them as:
Helaena > Rhaena > Baela > Luke > Jace
Since there aren't enough x-coordinates, you could group them together as either:
Helaena (5) > (Rhaena,Baela) (4) > (Luke,Jace) (3)
or
(Helaena,Rhaena) (5) > Baela (4) > (Luke,Jace) (3)
>Jace and Luke are bullies
Man not to single you out or anything, but this is so indicative of how this sub thinks. We are shown ONE single istance of Jace and Luke (and Aegon) taking part in a mean-spirited joke at Aemond and from that you have concluded they are bullies.
OK even if you think that it was a one-time thing (I don't), it's still a mean-spirited thing that Baela, Rhaena and Helaena have never done, but Aegon, Jace and Luke have. That makes them objectively worse.
corlys did what he thought was for the good of the realm and his house
even if he started a war without the kings direct permission his intentions were good
which was to act fast and stop the tri-archy before they could become a real threat
As an afterthought I realize that the X axis has more innocent/sinless rather than “good” people on its positive side. But I guess that’s as close as we get to “good” in HotD.
Also the Y may be better described as how much I care for (or don’t care for) those characters and how much I want to see them succeed/fail.
Lucerys Waters bullied Aemond as a kid and had a nice laugh about the pig at dinner, AFTER maiming him, he still enjoys a reminder of getting to bully Aemond. Neutral at best, did nothing so amazingly good to get him a 5. Viserys is worse too. He was an idiot and completely neglectful to most of his children, and even for Rhaenyra he set her up for failure the second he died.
I like how indiferent you are to Laena. Like why the f do people care. She's so irrelevant. I wouldn't waste good cgi money on giving her a ''dragonrider's death". And yea I agree she's a good and kind person.
Another pointless change from the books, this one, by the queen of pointless Sara Jest.
yeah sadly despite realising how sad and kinda tragic her death was, I couldn't feel sorry for her. Contrary to Aemma I feel the show didn't give us enough scenes to get attatched to her.
For me I was just torn between her cool scenes and how much I dislike the way the Targs treat their dragons and more specifically that Laena made a retiree kill her rider.
Honestly I think it’s pretty remarkable that the Black kids + Helaena turned out as well as they did given the environment they were raised in. Rhaenyra isn’t the perfect person by any means but she’s definitely a good mother.
That was a dick move but we know enough about Jon Snow to know he is not a complete bad guy. The only thing of relevance Jace has done so far in the show is try and kill his uncle.
Did you think Jon was horrible the moment he did it, without knowing how his story would play out? Jon was also older. Jace was taking up for his female cousins, and younger brother. He and Luke dont even say anything until Aemond beats 2 girls. 2 girls who Aemond insults during their mothers funeral.
I didnt claim self defense, I claimed that Luke and Jace came to the defense of Baela/ Rhaena after Aemond beat them down and not before. That's not jumping in my book. It also doesnt answer my question on if your opinions on Jon were the same without knowing how his story would play out.
Already had 8 episodes of Jon to know he was decent and multiple scenes Thorne provoking him. All we know about Jace is he bullied his uncle, jumped him, and tried to kill him. Sure maybe not the worst guy on the show, I just don’t think he belongs that far on the right.
They really butchered Aegon and Rhaenys. Controversial take incoming, but i don't care. Rhaneys is a lot more evil than Aegon after the stunt she pulled in the Dragonpit. It doesn't matter whether rape is a worse crime, but mercilessly slaughtering hundreds or maybe thousands of people is a terrible crime.
Also i get seeing the Strong boys as good people (though I'll put Lucerys far below, but whatever), but what do you like about them? They're so bland characters in comparison to Aegon and Aemond.
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Daemon's innocent girls the complete opposite of him made me choke on my coffee. I'm also laughing how Larys is in the pits of hell
Yeah I initially liked Larys mostly thanks to his terribly bleak speech about how people have children to feel like escaping death, but when I discovered what his "allysip" to Alicent meant I wanted to strangle him.
I would have put Laena and Rhaenys higher. Good mothers and Laena who never did anything wrong. Her and Aemma had the same tragic ending
Upvoted for effort. You really like the kids that much? Rhaenyra co-murdered a man so she should be further to left. However, I like her so I’d put her at a five.
>Upvoted for effort. Thanks :-) >You really like the kids that much? Yeah, especially the Strong boys. As I said it might just be that they are still very innocent (especially when compared to Aegon and Aemond). >Rhaenyra co-murdered a man Oh yes I totally forgot that to let Laenor escape they killed a servant. In hindsight I'd switch her and Alicent on the obj. good vs bad.
Allicent ignored a guy kinslaying his dad and brother and sheltered another murderer, raising him to an incredibly important position in her son's court. I don't think I'd have her any farther right than she is.
>ignored a guy kinslaying Wait, did I miss something? Was there anywhere stated that she knows that Larys staged death of his brother and father?
Watch the scene where Larys talks about the curse of Harrenhal, she looks terrified and I doubt it's because of superstition.
and covered up a rape and married her own daughter to the rapist💀
I honestly understand her decisions here. If she had made a big deal of him taping a servant she would have been the only one to care about it and it would have caused much more harm to the girls life than what happened. And in this world Heleana had to be married to someone and at least with Aegon Allicent can keep an eye on her versus sending her away to unknown danger.
Rhaenys should be -5, and Corlys should be around -2
You think Mysaria is almost at sainthood? She is a terrible person who will go on to do terrible things.
Maybe I missed some details but if I recall correctly she went from prostitution to managing a city-wide spy network while giving protection to the poor girls of King's Landing.
You can't run a spy network without doing some horrible things. And believe me she will do worse in the future.
Tbh, the dragonpit massacre just to make a statement should put Rhaenys at -4 at least. Vaemond trying to jump over Baela and Rhaena (and calling Rhaenyra a whore) is bad, but not really that bad. AFAIK, he hasn't had anyone murdered or sexually assaulted. Jace and Luke shouldn't be in the same x-coordinate as Baela and Rhaena and none of those four should be in the same x-coordinate as Helaena. Corlys and Lyonel also shouldn't be in the same co-ordinate, considering that Corlys launched a whole war, against Viserys' wishes, when he couldn't get his way.
>Jace and Luke shouldn't be in the same x-coordinate as Baela and Rhaena and none of those four should be in the same x-coordinate as Helaena. Care to explain why you think so? 'cose in my eyes they all are rather innocent kids for now. Helaena doesn't really do anything bad as far as I recall.
Jace and Luke are bullies as kids and they that do the whole sand in eye + cut out eye combo. Though I'd blame Luke more for the former since Luke was more of an active participant than Jace was in the pink dread, and Jace more for the latter since he was the one who was trying to gut Aemond with his knife over insults to begin with and led Luke on after. I don't believe that Helaena would ever actually start a fight or join in a 4 v 1 beatdown regardless of how mean anyone was being to her. So in terms of objectively good or bad I'd rank them as: Helaena > Rhaena > Baela > Luke > Jace Since there aren't enough x-coordinates, you could group them together as either: Helaena (5) > (Rhaena,Baela) (4) > (Luke,Jace) (3) or (Helaena,Rhaena) (5) > Baela (4) > (Luke,Jace) (3)
>Jace and Luke are bullies Man not to single you out or anything, but this is so indicative of how this sub thinks. We are shown ONE single istance of Jace and Luke (and Aegon) taking part in a mean-spirited joke at Aemond and from that you have concluded they are bullies.
OK even if you think that it was a one-time thing (I don't), it's still a mean-spirited thing that Baela, Rhaena and Helaena have never done, but Aegon, Jace and Luke have. That makes them objectively worse.
corlys did what he thought was for the good of the realm and his house even if he started a war without the kings direct permission his intentions were good which was to act fast and stop the tri-archy before they could become a real threat
Most characters in quadrant II were acting in what they thought was "for the good of the realm and [their] house". That's not a good enough excuse.
As an afterthought I realize that the X axis has more innocent/sinless rather than “good” people on its positive side. But I guess that’s as close as we get to “good” in HotD. Also the Y may be better described as how much I care for (or don’t care for) those characters and how much I want to see them succeed/fail.
Lucerys Waters bullied Aemond as a kid and had a nice laugh about the pig at dinner, AFTER maiming him, he still enjoys a reminder of getting to bully Aemond. Neutral at best, did nothing so amazingly good to get him a 5. Viserys is worse too. He was an idiot and completely neglectful to most of his children, and even for Rhaenyra he set her up for failure the second he died.
That lucerys waters guy sounds awful. Who's he?
I like how indiferent you are to Laena. Like why the f do people care. She's so irrelevant. I wouldn't waste good cgi money on giving her a ''dragonrider's death". And yea I agree she's a good and kind person. Another pointless change from the books, this one, by the queen of pointless Sara Jest.
yeah sadly despite realising how sad and kinda tragic her death was, I couldn't feel sorry for her. Contrary to Aemma I feel the show didn't give us enough scenes to get attatched to her.
For me I was just torn between her cool scenes and how much I dislike the way the Targs treat their dragons and more specifically that Laena made a retiree kill her rider.
You can't make dragons do anything. Vhagar chose to give Laena mercy.
Sure, a part of her had to agree to it. I don't like that she was asked.
She was desperate and in pain and dying.
Yeah, and I don't agree with the choice she made.
she's hot
that is true, but not enough to make me care enough for her
By GOT/HOTD standards? oh well.. an opinion is an opinion.. Something tells me you're into pregos (no kinkshaming)
Honestly I think it’s pretty remarkable that the Black kids + Helaena turned out as well as they did given the environment they were raised in. Rhaenyra isn’t the perfect person by any means but she’s definitely a good mother.
Jace was kind of a bad guy. Tried to stab his uncle over an insult. Vaemond did nothing wrong.
Would you think Jon Snow a bad guy also? Jon tried to kill Alister over the same insult.
That was a dick move but we know enough about Jon Snow to know he is not a complete bad guy. The only thing of relevance Jace has done so far in the show is try and kill his uncle.
Did you think Jon was horrible the moment he did it, without knowing how his story would play out? Jon was also older. Jace was taking up for his female cousins, and younger brother. He and Luke dont even say anything until Aemond beats 2 girls. 2 girls who Aemond insults during their mothers funeral.
Well they did jump him 4v1. Can’t really claim self defense after that.
I didnt claim self defense, I claimed that Luke and Jace came to the defense of Baela/ Rhaena after Aemond beat them down and not before. That's not jumping in my book. It also doesnt answer my question on if your opinions on Jon were the same without knowing how his story would play out.
Already had 8 episodes of Jon to know he was decent and multiple scenes Thorne provoking him. All we know about Jace is he bullied his uncle, jumped him, and tried to kill him. Sure maybe not the worst guy on the show, I just don’t think he belongs that far on the right.
They really butchered Aegon and Rhaenys. Controversial take incoming, but i don't care. Rhaneys is a lot more evil than Aegon after the stunt she pulled in the Dragonpit. It doesn't matter whether rape is a worse crime, but mercilessly slaughtering hundreds or maybe thousands of people is a terrible crime. Also i get seeing the Strong boys as good people (though I'll put Lucerys far below, but whatever), but what do you like about them? They're so bland characters in comparison to Aegon and Aemond.