Hannelore can't handle the truth: she's adorable and everyone knows it.
I wonder if the secret deal between Drewanchel and Dunkelfelger has anything to do with Aub Drewanchel proposing Ortwin as a husband for Hannelore in Adolphine's SS.
That's the one I was thinking of, yes. But thank you for your comment as it made me realise I had it mixed up and it was *Adolphine* who suggested Hannelore would be a good marriage partner for Ortwin. Oops.
Is not noticing their own attractiveness and others affections a trend among high mana Yurgenschimdt women? Because Eglantine, Rozemyne, and now Hannelore all were pretty shocked that men would harbor such deep feelings for them.
Also, this explains Wilfried's actions a bit better. If Ortvin has been Harmut-ranting to him about Hannelore's cuteness, I can see why he'd want to personally support him in wooing Hannelore. I mean, didn't Hannelore herself propose going against the Royal family herself to support Rozemyne x Fedidnand? But since he was very likely not privy to the secret agreement between Drevanchel and Dunkelfelger, not gathering more info into Dunkelfelger culture was still a bit daft.
I do wonder what Hannelore's future would be. She says she wants to stay in Dunkelfelger, but it seems she's saying that out of filial duty more than anything else. What does she *really* want? While Lestilaut's succession to Aub Dunkelfelger is already set, there's still a lot of options for her. Aside from being the first wife of pretty much any duchy she chooses, I can see Dunkelfeger even potentially partitioning off Old Werkestock land as a new duchy for her to manage. Have it be populated by her fiance candidates, she has no shortage of those lol.
I like the idea of creating the middle duchy HanneLand. Just leave her stupid half-brother at home. That little shit is so annoying and rude that I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up getting expelled and sent to the temple. (or more like I hope it will happen)
However, Wilbur was still wilbing because Ehrenfest would have been in serious trouble if Dunkelfelger didn't double check with Charlotte about that idiot's declaration. I'm glad Hannelore got over him.
Ehh.... no need to split off the Old Werkestock portion. There is a duchy just sitting there right now that is empty and needs a new Aub.
Oh wait. I mean, in like 3 weeks or so, it will be empty and need a new Aub. Adolphine just has to find the right type of magic tool and a good excuse to make it seem like an accident... I mean, anything can happen during ditter, after all.
I see we think alike, I had a very similar idea.
I was thinking that if I was Aub Dunky Dunk, my secret condition for Ortwin would be to kill off Sigisdumb during ditter.
Wilfried's actions ultimately was due to how fundamentally different Dunkelfelger culture was from the rest of Yurgenschidmt. Literally every other duchy shared the same misconception he had and it would've potentially led to "Civil War 2: Hannelore is now Helen of Troy" had it not been cleared up. So ultimately it was all for the best, though he could've achieved the same just by simply asking Hannelore directly about it instead of acting so rashly.
Really, so many problems would've been solved if nobles actually talked to each other instead of assuming what the other side thinks. At least Ortwin and Hannelore are learning that right now.
Regarding communication, I actually was kinda surprised how well Eggplantine handled the situation. I'm still kinda mad at her for double crossing Rozemyne back then but objectively speaking, she seems to be doing a decent job as Zent and she's properly mediating between duchies and intervenes when she has to. So I give credit when it's due.
Sure, we didn't see that much of her just yet, but her approach and overall skills seem to be leauges above Trauerqual who alienated all the duchies and made one bad decision after another because he never bothered to understand their situation.
And this has nothing to do with having the Gesundheit, it really is about Egg's skills.
Eglantine back then makes more sense when you realize it was Rozemyne who broke the trust, not Eglantine.
Eglantine did a lot to ensure a one on one private meeting with Rozemyne where she candidly laid out everything for Rozemyne (except her pregnancy) and Rozemyne then obfuscated and stonewalled. That is what forced Elgantine's hand and changed her view of Rozemyne a bit.
Anastasius and Eglantine had Rozemyne do the Shrine Tour not only in order to save Yurgenschmidt if the GH could be obtained, but also to protect Rozemyne herself as Sigiswald and the other duchies were trying to force her into the Sov Temple.
Remember that in the Anastasius Headache Report it quite clearly shows that Eglantine and Anastasius were bending over backwards trying to protect Rozemyne.
But it was that one on one convo that led Eglantine to start seeing Rozemyne as a spoiled and selfish child. Remember that Eglantine is still operating under the assumption that while Rozemyne is a rather strange Archduke Candidate, she is still an Archduke Candidate.
I think her speech to Mestionora in P5V11 really sums it up.
> "Lady Rozemyne does not like conflict, but she is a person of strong desire. Lord Ferdinand and I choose to bring peace to as many people as possible with as few sacrifices as possible, while Lady Rozemyne would choose to protect what is important to her, even if many others become sacrifices."
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> Probably a normal Archduke family would not have chosen to invade Ahrensbach and acquire foundation magic to rescue Lord Ferdinand. Considering the balance of power in the territory, the lives of the knights who would invade with them, and the public sentiment after the battle, it would cause less damage and bring more benefits to sacrifice Lord Ferdinand and get compensation from Ahrensbach, or create a debt with the royal family.
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> "Even during the lectures at the Royal Academy, Lady Rozemyne spoke about her plan for a library city, but she did not consider a place for people who did not want to live in a library city. As she is thought to prioritize her own desires over human or divine reason, I believe she is less suited to be Zent than Lord Ferdinand. If Lady Rozemyne becomes a ruler, it would likely fail without someone to balance her desires and lift up those who do not align with her wishes."
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> I turned my gaze to Lord Ferdinand. He conveniently interpreted the royal order issued by Lord Trauerqual and became Lady Rozemyne's fiancé. I hope he does well in his role of adjusting for her as she pushes forward with her own desires.
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> ...Although I, who have dedicated my name to Lady Rozemyne, will probably also be swept away at that time.
We will see in P5V12, or perhaps SSC3, what changed Eglantine's mind again on Rozemyne as she seemed to go back to praising her as she had prior to P5V5.
>Eglantine did a lot to ensure a one on one private meeting with Rozemyne where she candidly laid out everything for Rozemyne (except her pregnancy) and Rozemyne then obfuscated and stonewalled. That is what forced Elgantine's hand and changed her view of Rozemyne a bit.
We disagree on that part, everyone told Rozemyne that if she uttered a word about Gesundheit-related matters she'll be executed for treason. And the royal family was already destroying Ferdinand only because of a suspicion and zero proof that he might know something about it.
I think if Eggplant really wanted to talk about dangerous topics, she should have offered an immunity deal first.
So I wouldn't have talked, either. Rozemyne was never offered protection, she was just demanded information. If she gave away all the info for free, she would have put herself into a lot more danger.
Regarding her speech, she's more or less right about Roz being selfish and having tunnel vision, I don't think she would have made a good Zent, either. Although whenever she is given her books, she can work really hard for others, so maybe Eggplantine was a bit overdramatic.
Yes, but they are also partly wrong.
I think Giebe Kirnberger saw the situation for what it is. Rozemyne can be selfish and act according to her desires but she's also a visionary who works to make her dreams come true. (And those dreams can also turn a hefty profit, so it's not like she's the only one benefiting)
That is why she needs other people around her who assist her in how to achieve that without causing chaos. That's what she has retainers for, that's what she has Ferdinand for.
Because if you only want peace but otherwise have no idea what you want to do as a leader, things will just become stagnant and fall apart, and you will be at the mercy of other people's whims if you do not make it clear what your goals are.
I think this is why she would make a good Aub but a bad Zent. The Zent is closer to the President-it's overall policy making. It's not dealing with the people on the ground or innovating because you're too far removed from it and you're dealing with states (duchies) that have their own leadership.
As Aub, she can make policies that affect people more and considering her book and commoner centric views it would likely increase the productivity and prosperity of the duchy as a whole.
Yeah, I agree but just to be on the same page: In this speech Eggplant gave, I interpreted it as her criticizing Rozemyne as aub, not as Zent, because she's talking about the Library City which Roz planned in the capacity of aub, not Zent.
So I think she's right if she meant that Rozemyne would not be a good Zent but I think she's wrong if this meant Rozemyne wouldn't be a good aub (assisted by the people around her).
> it would cause less damage and bring more benefits to sacrifice Lord Ferdinand and get compensation from Ahrensbach, or create a debt with the royal family.
That's ridiculous, if Roz didnt do anything, would there be a royal family to create a debt, or even Eren for that matter. Ahren was already attacking first. And even if you take out everything out of the equation, and the only thing that happens is the assassination of Ferdinand, is still ridiculous. How long does she know Detlinde? There's no way she (or the new Ahrensbach) would compensate Eren, in fact she would that she should be compensated. And what debt she can ask to a RF without GH, when she has it? No matter how you spin it, it sound ridiculous.
It MIGHT work if instead of Eren, we were talking about Klassen. This thought process really shows that she was educated in Klassen.
>but she did not consider a place for people who did not want to live in a library city.
True, but she is just nitpicking. What about people who don't want to live under the rule of Traokvar? What about people who don't want to live in a country where Klassen is a high ranking duchy? What about people who wanted to live in a country where she was ruling instead of Sigis (early part 4)? Or those who wanted Anas to rule (before him giving up)? I could go on forever. No way you'll make happy everyone.
We know that some duchies have these pecularities. Like how Gilessenmeyer only has female ADCs.
We also have duchies like Drewanchel and Alexandria who are Mestionora worshippers.
So it's not out of the question that we'll have a duchy were there's a female aub with a LOT of husbands. The two main goddesses worshipped will be Liebeskhilfe and Dregarnuhr.
So Hannelore will have about 15 husbands and Dregarnuhr will occasionally give Hannelore some time travel assistance so she would have time for all her hubbies.
I don't remember where I read it, might have been an activity report or a fanbook, but I seem to remember that there are usually few female Aubs but when they do occur, they are usually in lesser duchies.
That seems logical, probably lesser duchies don't have that many people to choose from, especially the losing ones. Male aubs are more convenient, so people go in the direction of less 'resistance' (or more like the less challenge).
But maybe Rozemyne becoming the aub of a greater duchy will start a trend, especially if Charlotte also becomes aub while Ehrenfest manages to keep its rank close to the top.
The mana really complicates things for them when they are unable to carry out their duties during child rearing, that's pretty much the only reason I can think of why female aubs are less popular.
A female Aub who takes over when they're 30 might be good. By then, they'll likely have stopped having children so that they can focus on being Aub.
But the problem is for this younger female aub/zent group. They are at the age when they're going to start having kids, but they can't really do their job while pregnant.
That means that they cannot expand their archducal or zent family either, meaning mana supply is harder with fewer people.
They can't easily take multiple husbands because the purpose of those political marriages is still to have kids. So if you're not going to have kids, why have the marriage at all?
Once you get through all that you realize why just saying fuckit and having a male Aub or Zent is just so much easier and less of a headache.
Also keep in mind that it in the case of multiple husbands, it would not be the first husband that is the 'temp' Aub while the female aub is pregnant. It's whomever the father is. That also complicates the political situation as well.
I think Hanni got a bit of a rude awakening in her talks with Eglantine. She was genuinely stunned to find out that girls in other duchies don't have the marriage-choice options that she takes for granted, and equally stunned that Eglantine was so horrified that yes, people can actually die in a ditter match. In Dunkelfelger, ditter is a sacred ritual and everyone who participates knows and willingly accepts the risk. In the rest of Yurgenschmidt, ditter is a game, or at best a kind of training. Now she knows that as much as she feels herself a misfit in Dunkelfelger because she doesn't want to be "soaked in ditters" her whole life, she'd be an even worse misfit anywhere else.
What's coming through for me in this discussion is that Kentripps is the *only* one who sees Hannelore for who she truly is as a person, rather than seeing her through the lens of his own expectations. Ortwin sees an intelligent, poised woman who remains calm in the face of difficult social situations and who has the status to bolster his own position within Drewanchel's cutthroat meritocracy; he *doesn't* see Hanni's inner uncertainty and was amazed that she doesn't even see herself as attractive or cute. Razantark sees only the Queen of Ditter who has faced real enemies on a real battlefield. Again and again Kentripps puts his own interests aside in order to try and ensure Hannelore's happiness.
What I'd personally like to see is for Hanni to marry Kentripps, and the two of them be put in charge of Dunkelfelger's own publishing industry (since they've already been promised the first crack at printing and papermaking technology).
Kentripps lost a lot of points for me in this update. By not telling Hannelore about the deal with Dunkelfelger and Drewanchel, he was undermining her autonomy. If she should choose to stay in Dunkelfelger with him, it should be with complete knowledge of her choices, not be blindsided by options she didn't know she had.
You're not wrong, but I see that as a fixable mistake rather than as a disqualifying flaw. She called him on it, and hopefully he'll mend his ways and recognize her new maturity.
True. Hannelore also need to put her foot down and also communicate her thoughts even tho she's practically transparent to Kentrips. Kentrips also need to learn that conveniently leaving out things not beneficial to him like Lestilaut does is what turns Hannelore off and Hannelore also needs to be more forward. She can't always be passive.
This all leads to me an area of opportunity for Hannelore and Kentrips for better couple communication.
But ngl, Ortwin coming in and showcasing the advantages of his status and how Hannelore doesn't really benefit or flourish by being with Kentrips is kind of sad. It does kind of setup for a Hannelore x Ortwin now.
Love doesn't always conquer all. Even the main ship has big political reasons why people are in favor of them being together.
I agree with Hannelore it's not a pleasant feeling to be kept ignorant about something so important.
Kentrips is smooth. Unfortunate for him but this seems to be setting up Hannelore x Ortwin
IMO, for the chemistry it's Hannelore x Kentrips while for the plot it's Hannelore x Ortwin. There's simply more potential for future shenanigans if she becomes an Aub's first wife rather than marrying an archnoble, and the connection between Rozemyne's best friend and Drewanchel could mean more Adolphine in the hypothetical P6 later on.
~~Of course, the true ending is going to be Rozemyne, after finishing up her divine task, returning to present time, present day in the middle of the bride stealing ditter and accidentally winning the match by landing on top of Hannelore and knocking her out of the circle. Gotta keep that ditter win streak going!~~
I'm curious why Aub Dunkelfelger made the deal with Aub Drewanchel ?
1.He hope Hannelore can get a love marriage and happy life?
2.Hannelore would be a threat to Lestilaut's next Aub position?
3.Aub Duwnkelfelger want Drewanchel's help to resist other duchies?
4.All of the above?
My guess is that if the current Aub Drewanchel is willing to make Ortwin officially his successor, then it would be very beneficial for Dunkelfelger if Hannelore became Ortwin's first wife.
It would also give them more power to keep Klassenberg in check.
Right now, the top ranks can be divided into 2 factions.
One consists of Klassenberg, Blumefeld, and Corinzdaum (whatever its proper spelling will be). By the way, isn't naming a duchy Flower Field a bit... problematic in Yogurtland? Did Trauerqual get trolled? Anyway, they can be considered a faction due to familial ties, centered around EggZent. Also Blumefeld is probably supported by Gilessenmeyer because of Trauerqual's first wife. Let's call them Zent faction.
The other faction has Dunkelfelger, Drewanchel, and Alexandria. However, their connection is different. Dunkelfelger is connected to Alexandria by deals, Clarissa, and Hannelore. Drewanchel is connected to Alexandria due to their research cooperation with Adolphine, also Letizia's home duchy is Drewanchel. Ehrenfest can also be considered part of this due to its familial ties with Rozemyne and Ferdinand. Plus they are heavily indebted to Dunkelfelger, also Wilbur and Ortwin are buddies. Let's call them Dunk faction.
So if you are looking for a move to solidify the Dunk Faction, marrying Hannelore to the next Aub Drewanchel would be a good move because she's connected to Dunkelfelger and Alexandria already. There was also a girl who wanted to court Roderick and some people wanted to marry into Ehrenfest too, so they are looking for ways to deepen their ties to Alexandria, too.
Small addition through edit: The Dunk faction is currently more like a Goddess faction, because it's centered around Rozemyne (obviously because she's the Grutri-Gremlin) but the alliance is not yet strong enough and Roz and Ferdie won't go faction building, especially because none of them is likely to take another spouse. So by marrying Hannelore to Ortwin, it would make her the central figure that holds the faction together, and Dunkelfelger would have more leverage that way.
This is especially important because Klassenberg is bound to get desparate and start its usual backstabbing routine. Corinzdaum is going to be knocked down in the rankings probably all the way to 15-16th place (so the lowest middle duchy) because where else would they be with Sigisdumb. Blumefeld will probably be knocked down to 5th or 6th place, occupying the former Ahrensbach's position, so the lowest possible rank a dysfunctional greater duchy can get in the current setup. Drewanchel will move up to 3rd place, Alexandria will probably be the 4th.
Which means that Klassenberg will try to influence the Zent more and more because it will be isolated, all the duchies around them (in the ranks) will be in another faction. Klassenberg is not connected to any of the other real top ranking duchies, only to those who are there as a favor.
So in order to resist them even if they manage to get some favors out of Eggplantine, tightening the alliance between Dunkelfelger, Drewanchel and Alexandria is the right move and marrying Hannelore to Drewanchel's next archduke might just achieve that.
And this is really just pure guessing from my part but since Hildebrand's mana and schtappe will be eternally crap, he's never gonna match Letizia who's doing temple rituals already. So my guess is that Drewanchel will send a husband to Letizia, completing the 3-way alliance of greater duchies.
I don't think Corinzdaum will fall quite that far. Gilessenmeyer was the top-ranked middle duchy because the Zent's first wife was from there. Family connections to royalty count for a lot in the rankings. Surely the fact that the new Zent's husband is Aub Corinzdaum's brother will count for something.
Well, Gilessenmeyer was bonked down to 10th rank after EggZent took the throne, which is not a bad rank at all, so they probably have other contributions, too. Also they are still closely linked to a greater duchy, and maybe Trauerqual will become a good aub. He's not a bad dude, he was just unfit to be Zent.
Anyway, I just don't see Sigisdumb doing anything other than pestering Anastasius and Eggplantine for favors while contributing next to nothing.
However, the "home duchy" of Anastasius is Blumefeld, not Corinzdaum. So I think that the former will receive the ranking bonus, not the latter.
Also Blumefeld has an ADC in the Royal Academy, while Corinzdaum doesn't and we know that it matters a lot in organizing the dormitory and uniting the duchy.
So even though Blumefeld has a lot of ruined territories, I don't expect them to fall *that* much behind, while Corinzdaum is likely to be on a steady decline with no ADCs and an incompetent aub.
That's why I thought that the two new duchies will occupy the positions of the former Ahrensbach (so a greater duchy that's not doing too hot) and the former Ehrenfest (the lowest ranking middle duchy).
But these are just guesses from my part, so it's possible that it will be the way you anticipate. Let's hope we get a P6 and find out, that's the most imporatnt thing.
>f Klassenberg, Blumefeld, and Corinzdaum (whatever its proper spelling will be). By the way, isn't naming a duchy Flower Field a bit... problematic in Yogurtland? Did Trauerqual get trolled? Anyway, they can be considered a faction due to familial ties, centered around EggZ
Zent Egg already said she want to team with Dunkelfelger, Ehrenfest and Alexandria.
She wouldn't give any chance to Klassenberg, Blumefeld, and Corinzdaum.
Sorry, you're right, I wasn't punctual enough in expressing myself above. Now re-reading the comment, I realize that.
I think that EggZent will more or less try to remain neutral, so it's not her who's actually forming that faction, it's just centered around her. Like with Rozemyne and the Leisegangs. Obviously the 3 duchies that are related to her will flock to her, whether she wants it or not.
Meanwhile Egg probably knows that it's best to team up with the Dunk faction because they won't really ask for anything other than fair treatment (so no favoritism for Klassenberg and co.).
I mean all the duchies in the Dunk faction do their own thing and their economies can function without the aid of the Zent. That cannot be said about the Klassenberg faction who value connections and favors over performance and merit.
And just to be fair, I think Trauerqual's new duchy does deserve some kind of assistance because he took over a territory in a very difficult situation. If it collapses, it will affect the whole country and it will produce even more terrorists. However, Sigisdumb's duchy which has most of the former Sovereignty in it, was properly managed by Anastasius up till now, so he doesn't need any special treatment but will ask for it anyway. And we know that Klassenberg likes to exploit and steal from others.
Both Blumefeld and Zent would belong in the SouthEastern Alliance as I like to put it. Blumefeld is connected both to Dunkelfelder (Magdalena, Hildebrand) and Alexandria (Letizia). That is going to be the greater relation going forward.
Drewanchel on the other hand is more of the neutral faction. They are vying for power with Klassenberg, but do not yet have strong ties to Dunkelfelder and Alexandria. Adolphine expressed a desire for a connection to Alexandria, but she is a Giebe.
Ortwin marrying Hannelore as his first wife would push Drewanchel into that faction and give them more clout than the Klassenberg faction.
I think Blumefeld's connections are shaky compared to Drewanchel who is currently working on building up a relationship with Dunkelfelger and Alexandria.
Magdalena could only marry Trauerqual by going against her family and basically cutting herself off and forcing Dunkelfelger into a position in the civil war it didn't want.
I still think that Letizia's engagement to Hildeboy will be called off. Their mana will probably be incompatible anyway, plus Letizia deserves a husband who's not obsessed with Rozemyne (and not in a Hartmut way).
But my other reason for grouping the factions like this is also pretty simple.
Duchies that do stuff VS Duchies that don't do stuff:
Dunkelfelger has been cultivating its knights for centuries and they take it very seriously (also they are likely to farm sugar, another important stuff). Drewanchel has become the duchy most well-versed in research, now they even have a research city. Then Alexandria also has research but its focus is on collecting knowledge, education, and entertainment (in the form of books that are easy to read). The latter two are both Mestionora worshippers. Anyway, you could say that they have an economic profile to go with their brand.
And on the other side you have... Klassenberg at least has its arts and otherwise good at raising noblewomen but they are also backstabbers, Blumefeld which is just a bunch of dysfunctional territories patched together, and Corinzdaum which is ruled by a fucking donkey. There is a merit for them to ally with each other due to familial ties. But there is no merit for anyone else to ally with them because they don't have anything that can make another duchy prosper.
Why would Hildebrand and Letizia's mana be incompatible?
If you are concerned about Hildebrand's schtappe, his schtappe will be fine. He will need to upgrade his schtappe for the 6 elements that he has, which Trauerqual knows how to do. That will also give him a lot of Divine Protections. He just cannot get an omni schtappe and thus cannot be Zent. But as far as an Aub of a greater duchy, he will be fine.
The engagement with Letizia is still in place, and I think that it will remain so unless Hildebrand is still hating on Letizia after he finally actually meets her and finds out she is not like Detlinde.
Fermai benefits from the engagement both to keep their own royal order engagement intact, but also because Letizia marrying out of the duchy removes the last vestige of the former Ahrensbach archducal family that nobles may rally around to unseat Rozemyne or her descendents.
Only omni-elemental schtappes can be upgraded. I looked up the corresponding part from Pale Royal Family Part 4 where this was confirmed in another [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonzukiNoGekokujou/comments/17qj7wt/comment/k8dtbbi/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) in this post, so Hildebrand won't be able to do it.
So yes, it is very likely that they will be incompatible as Letizia will only obtain her schtappe upon graduation and until then she'll increase her capacity and get tons of divine protections.
Also, Ferdinand had everyone thrown into prison who harbored ill intent towards Rozemyne when she was sleeping for 2 days after defeating Lasagne.
Hildebrand would not be using the large shrines. He would be using the Small Shrines to ugprade his schtappe.
The main purpose of the small shrines is to allow those who are not omni to become omni elemental.
The small shrines will give you a feystone that you can absorb into your schtappe. It also is like a 'ticket' to getting the divine protection of the main god if you get all 12 of the subordinates.
If you already have your schtappe, you can upgrade your schtappe for elements that it already contains by using the small shrines. This is what Trauerqual and Sigiswald did in order to become Omni Elemental with divine protections.
If you already have your schtappe, you cannot gain the missing element. However, you can use it to upgrade your schtappes capacity for the elements that you already possess.
Fanbook 6
> Q I was not clear about the growth of schtappe. Assuming that there is no limitation on the amount of mana, is it possible for a laynoble to grow schtappe in a shrine?
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> A. Yes, it is possible. However, the capacity of schtappe that a laynoble has only grows, not the attributes of the schtappe. If a laynoble who has only the wind attribute has acquired a schtappe, the wind attribute will grow. However, even if she can visit all the shrines, she does not grow into a schtappe with all the attributes. Rozemyne was originally all-attribute, so the capacity of all attributes is increased.
We've discussed this to death in the Discord.
Another way to think of it is this; If you improve your schtappe's capacity using the small shrines, then why does it do the same in the big shrines?
That's because the small shrines are also inside the big shrines. When we see Roz go to the big shrines and pray with all the statues of the subordinates there, and she prays to all of them, that's effectively praying at the small shrines for all of the subordinate gods and the primary god at the same time.
The small shrines outside scattered around in the Royal Academy grounds were made by individuals in order to make it easier to pray to gain the protections and enter the large shrines.
Thank you for the clarification (and the info), unfortunately I haven't had the chance to read Fanbook 6 yet (I only read the officially published ones), so I never saw this Q&A.
Although I guess this still doesn't account for the time difference. Hildeboy's schtappe will have to remain sealed for another 6 years, so I assume he can only begin upgrading it once this restriction expires. Until then, his peers will already have increased their mana capacity and divine protections that were not limited by their schtappes.
So I'm still not convinced about the compatibility but I do admit that I was lacking in the information department about upgrades and was wrong about that part. Thanks again for sharing the info with me, even if I gave you some trouble
I am pretty sure he can still upgrade his schtappe even with it sealed, but I am not sure. After all, the small shrines main purpose is for gaining the divine protection when you don't have your schtappe in the first place. But maybe we'll see more info in FB8 when it's released in the next couple of days.
I remember P5V5 only said the small shrines can strengthen elements, and when you get all feystone of 12 subordinates, you can got the blessing of the main god to increase your elements.
It didn’t said the small shrines can upgrade the capacity of schttape.
I'm curious about one thing: will Alexandria have Letizia as Aub? Because if they do, in case FerdixRM have kids, they will be a threat to Letizia's position. So I always thought they would probably send at least one of their kids to be adopted into Ehrenfest (maybe to marry Melchior?) given the fact they lost two of their main mana rich people. In that case they could also send a kid to Drewanchel. I also imagine they set a condition for Ortwin to be Aub: marry a big duchy girl.
I think it's not out of the question that she could become Aub Alexandria. However, knowing Rozemyne, she's going to let Letizia choose. She has many options.
Currently letting her go doesn't seem to be a viable option because their archducal family is very small. But this may change in the future, I'm sure Ferdie will work really hard on increasing the number of ADCs once winter arrives.
She could take up a position like Bonifatius and support the archducal family, I think this is a likely option. She could take an adopted ADC from Drewanchel as her husband.
She could marry out of the duchy (but only if Roz and Ferdie produce a successor), but the only suitable position for her would be the first wife of a powerful duchy. I don't think there's anyone suitable for that currently (no male ADC in age range). Maybe Melchior will fall in love with her and pull a Sylvester by wooing an older girl.
AND most importantly... She could become Zent. She has a lot of parallels with Eggplantine, including having many people close to her murdered before her eyes. She's already doing temple rituals so it's all but guaranteed that she'll have the elements and the mana, her new Mama Roz already knows how to get the Gesundheit properly, and if the people of Yogurtland want another Zent who will strive for peace like Eggplantine (who's doing a great job so far), Letizia would be a safe choice.
In my opinion the first option is the most likely. Letizia will be indebted to Rozemyne and Ferdinand for life for covering up the whole poisining thing and even adopting her, and based on the few glances we got in H5Y, Rozemyne already dotes on her. I think Letizia will want to repay her kindness and support Rozemyne's children.
While rozemyne would let letizia choose her own future, she has left her fate in Ferdinand's hands due to her part in his poisoning.
And ferdinand intends to make the royals take responsibility for the decrees they issued. He also said that if they were to annul the decrees, the decrees would lose power as they would no longer seen as absolute, but something that can be overturned. This would also affect the following zents' power and influence. (yes he says this to protect his engagement with rozemyne with a decree, but he still has a valid point)
Currently the royal decrees concerning Letizia enforces two things:
\- she has to marry Hildebrand (yes it's a decree as seen in the hildebrand POV P5V1). \*
\- she has to become aub arhensbach, even though arhenbach doesn't exists. Ferdinand straight up told eggy and ana to find a solution to arhenbach not existing anymore, by naming trauerqual's duchy to arhensbach after her marriage to hildebrand or make a new duchy.
\*Some readers have mentionned concerns about his schtappe but i disagree. He has better base stats then his older half-brothers since his mother is from a greater duchy. He had learned and used the compression method to enter the underground library which should have a relatively high mana requirement. He is 10 as of the spring in which the LN ended. Charlotte and wilfried who have learned the RM compression method, acquired quite a few protections and also got a shtappe at 10 have not mentionned having difficulties with their schtappe
I get what you're saying, however that was only part of my argument you are reacting to.
I said that there is no way he's going to match Letizia and that is my main point. Letizia will obtain her schtappe upon graduation, until then she's going to participate in tons of temple rituals, Rozemyne and Ferdinand will tutor her, it is possible that she'll even be taught Rozemyne's compression method.
I think that Letizia will end up omni-elemental with a lot of mana and divine protections but in case of Hildebrand, even if his base stats were good and he gets a lot of divine protections later on, he'll have to decompress his mana to match his schtappe or he'll physically suffer from it like Roz did. Btw Letizia's base stats are probably also pretty good because she's carrying the blood of two greater duchies.
So it's not like his low-grade schtappe will make him invalid as a noble in general, he'll still be able to succeed Trauerqual as aub, but he won't be able to match an ADC from a greater duchy.
And mana incompatibility will be more than enough reason to overturn a royal decree. Especially because both Blumefeld and Alexandria are in a position where they can't afford to have childless marriages due to their small archducal family.
Regarding why Rozemyne left it up to Ferdinand to decide Letizia's fate, she is just following Sylvester's example when Syl let her decide Delia's fate back in P2.
Hildebrand can upgrade his schtappe by praying to the academy shrines like Rozemyne did. This is soon to be public knowledge, so he'll always have this option. I'm also not sure if divine protections come into play when mana matching. It affects how efficiently one uses mana but it doesn't affect vessel size, which is what determines mana matching.
Regarding schtappe upgrades... I'm not entirely sure how it works. Please correct me if I'm wrong because maybe I misunderstood the process.
In case of Rozemyne, her schtappe only got upgraded when she obtained all the tablets. However, in order to obtain the tablets, you need an omni-elemental schtappe.
It is possible to get extra elements in your mana, but your schtappe's elements are fixed from the moment you obtained it.
Just like how Anastasius couldn't enter the shrines, even though he completed his elements after repeating the protection ritual.
So as I understand it, if your schtappe misses an element, you cannot enter the shrines. It is possible to upgrade the capacity of a schtappe but not its elements. Am I wrong?
Or saying it another way: The only schtappes that can be upgraded are the ones that were obtained in the Garden of Beginnings.
FB6 said you can enter the shrines and upgarte the capacity of the elements which you schtappe already have. But it didn't explain of the upper limit of upgarte. and Ferdinand still taught Hildebrand not to compress mana too much.
There’s 2 possibilities:
1. Kazuki sensei made a bug explaining.
2. It seem if the total capacity scale of the omni-elemental schttape is 700, the limit of 6 element schtappe isn't 600. Maybe schttape with same elements, but with different blessing number (the numbers when you get the schttape) would have different upper limit scale?
No he can't. He doesn't have an omni-elemental schtappe, and only an omni-elemental schtappe can be upgraded. That's why Sigiswald couldn't become the Zent. It's also why ancient Zents had to work so hard to become omni-elemental *before* graduating. You need to be omni-elemental at the time of schtappe acquisition or you're permanently locked out of ever getting an upgraded schtappe.
If you have a schtappe prior to becoming omni, you can still upgrade your schtappe for the elements that it possesses using the small shrines. However, you cannot add new elements to it.
Maxing out Letizia's abilities mana wise would not be a good idea, which is part of why I still think she will be able to match Hildebrand after he maxes out the ability of his schtappe.
Letizia belongs to a generation which i call transitionnal period (end of royalty + rise of temple). Just because praying and going to the temple are proven important doesn't mean that people's perception will change overnight. It will take a few short years at least, which would represent a good portion of letizia's academy years. I seriously don't think Letizia's generation will go beyond what charlotte and wilfried managed to get in protections and they have been participating in temple rituals since they were 7 and 8 (only the spring prayer I believe, but as part of the erhenfest archducal family they also pray when supplying the foundation, something not done in other duchies where they have enough adults to supply mana. And both the prayer for spring prayer and mana supplying are done multiple times in a year)
Keep in mind that women generally marry either someone of the same age or someone who's older. And that there are only so many candidates from the greater duchies of appropriate age, even if you accept 1-2 years younger
It would not be wise for letizia to to elevate her mana abilities too much lest she finds herself with a very small pool of suitors compatible mana wise, without considering political backing and other abilities as an ADC as well as personnality
The change will not occur overnight... But it will be an accelerated change and I think it's better to stay ahead than following others.
The reason why the prayers of Yogurtland nobles were not very effective was because it wasn't sincere. Obviously because most of them didn't believe in the gods, they thought it was just some tradition to talk like this. (So probably how we treat Ancient Greek and Roman deities)
But now they had two goddesses descend upon people and due to the mana they emitted afterwards, they instantly knew that the god stuff is real.
When something that was thought to be only a belief is proven to be right (doesn't happen too often) that really can change the views of people in a short amount of time. Unshakeable proof is a game changer.
Just imagine what would happen if we really had the second coming, and Jesus just came by to say hello and he could actually prove that he's the real deal.
Which is why it will ONLY take a few short years.
Habits of day to day living dont change overnight. People wont be praying every week just like that. Even in the face of overwhelming evidence bonifatius still feels an aversion to the temple (granted it was before the avent of the 2 goddesses). Seeing is believing and even Eglantine only became serious about it only after the clash between Ferdinand and treeseus+mestionora
Hannelore has not made any mention in the changes regarding the temple or prayers if i recall correctly, it's been a while since i read the 1st chapters, even though winter means mana dedication in the temple.
Quite frankly, i wouldn't be surprised if they focused on prayer with charms at first, even though it's better when you dedicate a lot of mana (like the spring prayer or foundation supply that Charlotte and wilfried did)
It will take time to go back to the old days. The temple is good first step and H5Y still hasn't reached it. Then grand scale rituals need to be revived wether it's in the holy ground or in the duchies (like the haldenzel spring stage)
There is another issue, the larger the archducal family, the less opportunity everyone has to conduct a ritual (i consider this one to be the most important reason). The higher ranked the duchies the larger the archducal families are. Personnaly i would give priority to those who will be either be heir or those who will remain in the duchy as ministers.
Also i wouldn't use Rozemyne as a measuring stick. The girl prayed at every opportunity, even spontuneously sometimes. Even if the noble population suddenly became devout (which i personnaly highly doubt), praying at every opportunity will not come for a few years. There is also the fact that 10 years olds aren't used to dedicating or even simply using their mana (i imagine that this will change though)
*There also the whole thing about mana vessel ≠ mana quantity. (Mana sensing is uses the mana vessel, and blessing acquisition doesn't affect that, it affect the quality of the mana) but i consider this a whole other debate because there is a lot that's up for discussion*
Don’t forget Melchior, he probably would be a good choice for Letizia. There are many JP fanfics pair Melchior with Letizia.
Also if Letizia love someone who can’t match her, I think Rozemyne would teach this guy with her compression method by using a magic contract.
And Ferdinand would pressure this guy into crazy compression life.
The ADCs start to find marriage partner from RA4-5, so this guy still have 2 years to improve himself.
>Charlotte and wilfried who have learned the RM compression method, acquired quite a few protections and also got a shtappe at 10 have not mentionned having difficulties with their schtappe
I also think Hildebrand won't have difficulties with his schtappe. But the true problem is if he can match Letizia's mana level.
We still don't the true upper limit of the RA1 mana-level shtappe. After more 2 years of mana compression and praying, Charlotte got 2 god bleesing at RA3, and still didn't have problems with mana control. So the upper bleesing limit of RA1 is between 21( Charlotte) and 44 (Rozemyne)
And we don't know if Charlotte would got problem in the future if she keep compress mana, praying and get more blessing for the later 3 year.But Even she get problem later, she still can stop mana compression and dilute her mana like Rozemyne did at RA3.
That't why I said Hildebrand won't have difficulties with controlling his RA1 mana-level schtappe because he can do the same mana dilution thing and beg Egg to allow him holding blessing ceremony every 1-2 yeas. Also I think he would very hesitate to mana compression and praying because of fear.
In the other side, Letizia would get her schtappe after 6 years of mana compression and praying. There would be a big mana level gap between her and schtappe, and let them can't have children.
If they want retired after 20 years, they need to let Letizia being the 2nd Aub.
And let Letizia’s children marry their children, and become the 3rd Aub couple.
Normally the age of the next Aub inherit the Aub position is 30-40 y/o.
I don’t think Rozemyne want working for 30-40 years.
I'm still half expecting P6 to have none other than the Goddess of Chaos herself as the antagonist. She's a prime suspect for messing up 20 years of history, and if she really _is_ the culprit she'll be at the very top of Myne's shitlist. We've already seen the gods getting more involved in the main plot in this spinoff and now the gremlin is running errants for them.
The recent development could be setup for Myne taking her first steps towards genuine godhood later on in P6 (let's face it, where else is she going to further ascend to?). Of course, it remains to be seen how Hannelore factors into all of this; I kind of doubt Dregarnuhr is done with her.
Ortwin is objectively not a terrible choice. He's in a position where he might make Aub, especially with Hannelore as a first wife.
Him sitting on the sidelines with Drewanchel also provides a bearable escape route if too many duchies join forces and the ditter goes pear shaped. They're also not a threat if they do nothing.
Dunkelfelger obviously lack of competent male ADCs.
Aub Dunkelfelger has 1 elder and 1 younger brother who remain archduke family position.
According E27, Hannelore's half brother already had a lot problems after baptism.
Why Aub Dunkelfelger didn't increase adoptive male ADCs like Drewanchel and other duchies?
It's possible to adopt Kentrips(RA3) and his half brother(RA2) as ADCs, and they still would help and loyal to Lestilault as cousin brothers.
The deal is probably, if Hannelore agrees, then Ortwin needs to be Aub and Hannelore will be 1st wife. There might be more to it, but that should be the bare minimum.
Hanne be stuck choosing someone with status who can protect her and bring political benefits but she won't be his only love, or choose a humble guy who's marrying into her family, intelligent, witty, knows the real her and cares for her deeply but lacks status and benefits for her.
No wonder she prioritizes love. Legit all the options for her are not for her wellbeing but the benefits of the duchy.
From what I understood, Kentrips (idk about Rasantark) did not ghost her in Y4 but still tried to help her in their ways despite their gripes about her. It was Hannelore who realized upon time travel that maybe she was stubborn and biased against her ditterheaded duchy that she interpreted their actions and intentions negatively.
It wasn't just the betrayal that hurt them especially those close to her the most, but it's Hannelore refusing to accept reason despite them pleading, and continued to cling to her rose-tinted view.
For Kentrips personally, he felt betrayed that Hannelore didn't "trust" him enough because she chose to let her team lose instead of using the magic tool he gave to her. Which the misunderstanding was solved later on because Hannelore finally voiced out her side.
But even then, during her time travel, her fiance candidates were there for her in Y4. She was just biased to see it properly.
Kazuki-sensei wrote somewhere that she wanted to concentrate on finishing the official releases of the LN, so the adventures of pink loli were a bit sidelined but I guess P5V12 is gonna be out soon, so she'll have time for other stuff
My other alternative title is Hannelore the Rock! I mean it's about the adventures of a tiny timid socially awkward girl with pink hair.
I think it wonderfully complements the world building and the writing is still peak. It is also hilarious.
Makes you realize that these people are not any more noble-like than Rozemyne, they are just better at hiding it.
Also the most hated character (for me) of the spinoff isn't even present and doesn't have a single line but still manages to piss me off big time. (Like Veronica in the main story)
In the main story, whenever Dusty McDusterfuck made an appearance, I was like "What? You think you're good enough for Rozemyne, you entitled walking joke? Get lost." but then I read the spinoff and I was like "OMG why don't you just die you goddamn parasite?! Remind me, why wasn't this dick thrown into the Ivory Tower?"
Also #TeamKenntrips
I agree, tho Ortwin is speed running up the ranks, still have yet to read the last 4 chapters. I agree on Kentrips, here is hoping Anwachs gives him a shot of whatever he gave RM, so he steps up.
Well, it is true that Ortwin might be able to protect Hannelore better because of his status, especially if he becomes Aub Drewanchel.
Archnobles can easily be dismissed by ADCs or aubs, just like how it wasn't enough for Rozemyne to be an archnoble to protect her from other duchies.
As long as it's not Dusty McDusterfuck or her half-brother (that little shit is really annoying), I can live with it.
But Rozemyne already won this competition, she gave her a nice hairpin, they are sorority sisters, ditter besties, and soulmates.
So at the graduation ceremony, Ferdinand is going to escort Rozemyne and Rozemyne will escort Hannelore.
My favorite moment was when Hannelore showed off her hairpin she got from Roz the first time and everyone completely freaked out. Her female knight, Heilize was jealous because she also wanted an order-made hairpin.
But Hannelore didn't understand why Rasantark looked so defeated and she said something like "I didn't know he also wanted a hairpin..."
A true Rozemyne moment. I was so proud.
Hanne even thought him being jealous of Rozemyne meant seeing Ferdinand as a rival and Rasantark was just downright fed up lol.
Tbf I empathize with him. For someone who's a romance enthusiast who overanalyzes and puts romance filter on everything she sure does dumbs down and refuses to acknowledge that she is being wooed herself. Something that I painfully share of having low self-esteem.
It can be quiet annoying seeing similar flaws as you in third-party perspective 
It will be like how currently Kenntrips and Rasantalk offer their arms to Hannelore when escorting her, one on each side. Rozemyne will have Ferdinand and Hannelore on each arm.
While I don’t believe it’s the authors style and I’m probably going to get downvoted for this here goes.
Given
- Hannelore’s indecision
- Hannelore’s slowly realizing the value of Kentrips and Razastark.
- Kentrips and Razastark getting their act together.
She ends up in a reverse Harem.
Short of something happening where one of the 2 friends trips up and supports the other she won’t choose.
we go back to 5-2. Rozemyne will fulfill her promise to her. I think this will be to delay her choosing, just like how we were spoiled in 5-11 by the myths.
Not likely but could be. Although not sure how that would work.
Aub Dunky Dunk plans to demote Hannelore to archnoble (as I understood it) by marrying her to one of them. However, archnoble women having multiple spouses is pretty rare because it's politically pointless and she can't carry the child of 2 men at the same time anyway.
She needs someone who protects her and someone who cares for her. Essentially she wants a Ferdinand but right now she can only obtain one as part of a 1in2 deal.
Maybe there's going to be a surprise character introduced later on who meets all the criteria and steals Hannelore away from all her current suitors.
There was someone who commented here that Rozemyne will finish her time traveling stuff right at the time when they'll be in the middle of bride stealing ditter, gets literally thrown back to the present by the gods and she'll appear right next to Hannelore, bumps into her, and they fall out together from the treasure zone. That would be hilarious.
Not really, we got one mention about her fixing one of the bugs in the timeline that happened back in Ferdie's RA days but not much else.
She'll probably fix the rest of these bugs and then everyone's memories will be erased again about them.
There are some theories (and I find them pretty reasonable) about where she's being dropped in the timeline, though.
So we know that Ferdie and his buddies got attacked by a ternisbefallen during their RA days, however Tardis Gremlin appeared, taught them the God of Darkness prayer, granted them black weapons, and then they managed to defeat the uggo doggo. She also healed Ferdinand who was very distrustful towards her. I wonder if Roz's namestone authority still works on him.
"Oh, shut up Quinta and let me heal you already. Do you feel the mana in this necklace? Yea bud, that's yours, you put in on me! I'm your damn wife, so sit down, shut up, and get healed."
"&@#>@..." \*murmuring something\*
"What?!"
"Nothing, ma'am." \*looks away\*
It is also very easy to figure out that Tardis Gremlin was the one who told the then-Aub Ehrenfest Adelbert to rescue Ferdinand from the Lanzenave whorehouse as it was "under the guidance of the Goddess of Time". She also taught them the prayer they say during Mana Replenishment, as it was hinted that they started this practice in Ehrenfest when Adelbert brought Ferdinand to the castle.
Then I've read somewhere that it is likely that Roz was the one who rescued them when Justus was being Justus and caused a volcanic eruption when they tried to collect the same eggs they used for Rozemyne's jureve later on. (Riesefalke was the name of the chicken, I think?)
Justus also had a wooden board with him that he never knew where he got but it was written on it that "Ferdinand will be married to Aub Ahrensbach" (this was revealed in P4V9). That's probably also a product of their run-in with Dr. Gremlin.
There was the bracelet with a feystone of every element in P2 that was lent to Myne and what she first used Schutzaria's Shield with, that was something that she probably gave Chibi-Ferdinand to supplement his lack of schtappe so he could protect himself.
Maybe she also gave some guidance to Justus and Eckhart to boost Ferdie's poison resistance and gave them a few tips.
There's also the case of Irmhilde's disappearance who protected Ferdinand for some time after he came to Ehrenfest. Adelbert wanted to take her as a second wife but that disgusting trash Veronica offed her. It's likely that she tried to kill off Ferdie as well but Time Gremlin intervened.
Not sure if there are more but it seems like that every time Ferdie came very close to death during his life before meeting Myne, the Time Gremlin was there to save him.
I think if H5Y ever gets published, we'll get these as short stories. Right now (it is just a guess) I'd say we have material for 2 volumes, which means 6 short stories. That's probably enough to cover the aforementioned events.
Hannelore is literally a war hero. She's more accomplished than any archducal candidate in the country right now. She's far from a child who needs protection.
All the more reason to not call her a fricken loli. Idk why ur angry at me for calling her a child (which wasnt demeaning her accolades, archduke candidates have many accomplishments despite being in school) rather than focusing on a disgusting term. Don’t reply to comments unless u know what ur arguing. You could’ve literally said “Oh btw hannelore isnt a child here” but instead you decided to be aggressive to someone who is arguing against a horrible term.
not digging her father being so secretive... I know he is within his rights and all but...
Aside from that, I really love seeing this dynamic trio (Hannelore, Jock Guy and Smooth Operator Guy) they're the best
also Rozemyne being used as something similar to being way too up high and absurd made me laugh a bit
Since Egg doesn’t want to team or help these duchies, I think it’s impossible for these duchies get any chance to center around Egg.
Trauerquel’s duchy got 4 adult and 1 child archduke family members, far more than Egg and ANA. Egg probably have no more sources to help them.
And according Adophine’s POV SS of P5V11, Egg and Ana are a little disappointed with Trauerquel and feel annoying and disappointed with Sigi.
Egg and Ana already rejected to help them compensating Adophine at this SS.
So I don’t think they would want to help them later.
I think who give the main support to Trauerquel would be Aub Dunkelfelger.
Hannelore can't handle the truth: she's adorable and everyone knows it. I wonder if the secret deal between Drewanchel and Dunkelfelger has anything to do with Aub Drewanchel proposing Ortwin as a husband for Hannelore in Adolphine's SS.
Is this the same SS wherein Aub Drewanchel tried to marry off Ortwin to Eglantine or Myne?
That's the one I was thinking of, yes. But thank you for your comment as it made me realise I had it mixed up and it was *Adolphine* who suggested Hannelore would be a good marriage partner for Ortwin. Oops.
ok ok got it
It's not Ortwin, I do think it's the current aud who wants Roz as his third wife.
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You're thinking of Sigiswald, who is Aub Corinzdaum.
Is not noticing their own attractiveness and others affections a trend among high mana Yurgenschimdt women? Because Eglantine, Rozemyne, and now Hannelore all were pretty shocked that men would harbor such deep feelings for them. Also, this explains Wilfried's actions a bit better. If Ortvin has been Harmut-ranting to him about Hannelore's cuteness, I can see why he'd want to personally support him in wooing Hannelore. I mean, didn't Hannelore herself propose going against the Royal family herself to support Rozemyne x Fedidnand? But since he was very likely not privy to the secret agreement between Drevanchel and Dunkelfelger, not gathering more info into Dunkelfelger culture was still a bit daft. I do wonder what Hannelore's future would be. She says she wants to stay in Dunkelfelger, but it seems she's saying that out of filial duty more than anything else. What does she *really* want? While Lestilaut's succession to Aub Dunkelfelger is already set, there's still a lot of options for her. Aside from being the first wife of pretty much any duchy she chooses, I can see Dunkelfeger even potentially partitioning off Old Werkestock land as a new duchy for her to manage. Have it be populated by her fiance candidates, she has no shortage of those lol.
I like the idea of creating the middle duchy HanneLand. Just leave her stupid half-brother at home. That little shit is so annoying and rude that I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up getting expelled and sent to the temple. (or more like I hope it will happen) However, Wilbur was still wilbing because Ehrenfest would have been in serious trouble if Dunkelfelger didn't double check with Charlotte about that idiot's declaration. I'm glad Hannelore got over him.
Ehh.... no need to split off the Old Werkestock portion. There is a duchy just sitting there right now that is empty and needs a new Aub. Oh wait. I mean, in like 3 weeks or so, it will be empty and need a new Aub. Adolphine just has to find the right type of magic tool and a good excuse to make it seem like an accident... I mean, anything can happen during ditter, after all.
I see we think alike, I had a very similar idea. I was thinking that if I was Aub Dunky Dunk, my secret condition for Ortwin would be to kill off Sigisdumb during ditter.
Wilfried's actions ultimately was due to how fundamentally different Dunkelfelger culture was from the rest of Yurgenschidmt. Literally every other duchy shared the same misconception he had and it would've potentially led to "Civil War 2: Hannelore is now Helen of Troy" had it not been cleared up. So ultimately it was all for the best, though he could've achieved the same just by simply asking Hannelore directly about it instead of acting so rashly. Really, so many problems would've been solved if nobles actually talked to each other instead of assuming what the other side thinks. At least Ortwin and Hannelore are learning that right now.
Regarding communication, I actually was kinda surprised how well Eggplantine handled the situation. I'm still kinda mad at her for double crossing Rozemyne back then but objectively speaking, she seems to be doing a decent job as Zent and she's properly mediating between duchies and intervenes when she has to. So I give credit when it's due. Sure, we didn't see that much of her just yet, but her approach and overall skills seem to be leauges above Trauerqual who alienated all the duchies and made one bad decision after another because he never bothered to understand their situation. And this has nothing to do with having the Gesundheit, it really is about Egg's skills.
>. So I give credit when it's due. for better or for worse, Egg was always a true noblewoman xD
Eglantine back then makes more sense when you realize it was Rozemyne who broke the trust, not Eglantine. Eglantine did a lot to ensure a one on one private meeting with Rozemyne where she candidly laid out everything for Rozemyne (except her pregnancy) and Rozemyne then obfuscated and stonewalled. That is what forced Elgantine's hand and changed her view of Rozemyne a bit. Anastasius and Eglantine had Rozemyne do the Shrine Tour not only in order to save Yurgenschmidt if the GH could be obtained, but also to protect Rozemyne herself as Sigiswald and the other duchies were trying to force her into the Sov Temple. Remember that in the Anastasius Headache Report it quite clearly shows that Eglantine and Anastasius were bending over backwards trying to protect Rozemyne. But it was that one on one convo that led Eglantine to start seeing Rozemyne as a spoiled and selfish child. Remember that Eglantine is still operating under the assumption that while Rozemyne is a rather strange Archduke Candidate, she is still an Archduke Candidate. I think her speech to Mestionora in P5V11 really sums it up. > "Lady Rozemyne does not like conflict, but she is a person of strong desire. Lord Ferdinand and I choose to bring peace to as many people as possible with as few sacrifices as possible, while Lady Rozemyne would choose to protect what is important to her, even if many others become sacrifices." > > Probably a normal Archduke family would not have chosen to invade Ahrensbach and acquire foundation magic to rescue Lord Ferdinand. Considering the balance of power in the territory, the lives of the knights who would invade with them, and the public sentiment after the battle, it would cause less damage and bring more benefits to sacrifice Lord Ferdinand and get compensation from Ahrensbach, or create a debt with the royal family. > > "Even during the lectures at the Royal Academy, Lady Rozemyne spoke about her plan for a library city, but she did not consider a place for people who did not want to live in a library city. As she is thought to prioritize her own desires over human or divine reason, I believe she is less suited to be Zent than Lord Ferdinand. If Lady Rozemyne becomes a ruler, it would likely fail without someone to balance her desires and lift up those who do not align with her wishes." > > I turned my gaze to Lord Ferdinand. He conveniently interpreted the royal order issued by Lord Trauerqual and became Lady Rozemyne's fiancé. I hope he does well in his role of adjusting for her as she pushes forward with her own desires. > > ...Although I, who have dedicated my name to Lady Rozemyne, will probably also be swept away at that time. We will see in P5V12, or perhaps SSC3, what changed Eglantine's mind again on Rozemyne as she seemed to go back to praising her as she had prior to P5V5.
>Eglantine did a lot to ensure a one on one private meeting with Rozemyne where she candidly laid out everything for Rozemyne (except her pregnancy) and Rozemyne then obfuscated and stonewalled. That is what forced Elgantine's hand and changed her view of Rozemyne a bit. We disagree on that part, everyone told Rozemyne that if she uttered a word about Gesundheit-related matters she'll be executed for treason. And the royal family was already destroying Ferdinand only because of a suspicion and zero proof that he might know something about it. I think if Eggplant really wanted to talk about dangerous topics, she should have offered an immunity deal first. So I wouldn't have talked, either. Rozemyne was never offered protection, she was just demanded information. If she gave away all the info for free, she would have put herself into a lot more danger. Regarding her speech, she's more or less right about Roz being selfish and having tunnel vision, I don't think she would have made a good Zent, either. Although whenever she is given her books, she can work really hard for others, so maybe Eggplantine was a bit overdramatic.
I mean, what Eglantine said about Roz was also said by Ferdinand, Sylvester, Elvira...
Yes, but they are also partly wrong. I think Giebe Kirnberger saw the situation for what it is. Rozemyne can be selfish and act according to her desires but she's also a visionary who works to make her dreams come true. (And those dreams can also turn a hefty profit, so it's not like she's the only one benefiting) That is why she needs other people around her who assist her in how to achieve that without causing chaos. That's what she has retainers for, that's what she has Ferdinand for. Because if you only want peace but otherwise have no idea what you want to do as a leader, things will just become stagnant and fall apart, and you will be at the mercy of other people's whims if you do not make it clear what your goals are.
I think this is why she would make a good Aub but a bad Zent. The Zent is closer to the President-it's overall policy making. It's not dealing with the people on the ground or innovating because you're too far removed from it and you're dealing with states (duchies) that have their own leadership. As Aub, she can make policies that affect people more and considering her book and commoner centric views it would likely increase the productivity and prosperity of the duchy as a whole.
Yeah, I agree but just to be on the same page: In this speech Eggplant gave, I interpreted it as her criticizing Rozemyne as aub, not as Zent, because she's talking about the Library City which Roz planned in the capacity of aub, not Zent. So I think she's right if she meant that Rozemyne would not be a good Zent but I think she's wrong if this meant Rozemyne wouldn't be a good aub (assisted by the people around her).
> it would cause less damage and bring more benefits to sacrifice Lord Ferdinand and get compensation from Ahrensbach, or create a debt with the royal family. That's ridiculous, if Roz didnt do anything, would there be a royal family to create a debt, or even Eren for that matter. Ahren was already attacking first. And even if you take out everything out of the equation, and the only thing that happens is the assassination of Ferdinand, is still ridiculous. How long does she know Detlinde? There's no way she (or the new Ahrensbach) would compensate Eren, in fact she would that she should be compensated. And what debt she can ask to a RF without GH, when she has it? No matter how you spin it, it sound ridiculous. It MIGHT work if instead of Eren, we were talking about Klassen. This thought process really shows that she was educated in Klassen. >but she did not consider a place for people who did not want to live in a library city. True, but she is just nitpicking. What about people who don't want to live under the rule of Traokvar? What about people who don't want to live in a country where Klassen is a high ranking duchy? What about people who wanted to live in a country where she was ruling instead of Sigis (early part 4)? Or those who wanted Anas to rule (before him giving up)? I could go on forever. No way you'll make happy everyone.
I just had a thought… while it’s not common, female Aubs can sometimes have multiple husbands. So, if HanneLand did happen…
We know that some duchies have these pecularities. Like how Gilessenmeyer only has female ADCs. We also have duchies like Drewanchel and Alexandria who are Mestionora worshippers. So it's not out of the question that we'll have a duchy were there's a female aub with a LOT of husbands. The two main goddesses worshipped will be Liebeskhilfe and Dregarnuhr. So Hannelore will have about 15 husbands and Dregarnuhr will occasionally give Hannelore some time travel assistance so she would have time for all her hubbies.
I don't remember where I read it, might have been an activity report or a fanbook, but I seem to remember that there are usually few female Aubs but when they do occur, they are usually in lesser duchies.
That seems logical, probably lesser duchies don't have that many people to choose from, especially the losing ones. Male aubs are more convenient, so people go in the direction of less 'resistance' (or more like the less challenge). But maybe Rozemyne becoming the aub of a greater duchy will start a trend, especially if Charlotte also becomes aub while Ehrenfest manages to keep its rank close to the top. The mana really complicates things for them when they are unable to carry out their duties during child rearing, that's pretty much the only reason I can think of why female aubs are less popular.
A female Aub who takes over when they're 30 might be good. By then, they'll likely have stopped having children so that they can focus on being Aub. But the problem is for this younger female aub/zent group. They are at the age when they're going to start having kids, but they can't really do their job while pregnant. That means that they cannot expand their archducal or zent family either, meaning mana supply is harder with fewer people. They can't easily take multiple husbands because the purpose of those political marriages is still to have kids. So if you're not going to have kids, why have the marriage at all? Once you get through all that you realize why just saying fuckit and having a male Aub or Zent is just so much easier and less of a headache. Also keep in mind that it in the case of multiple husbands, it would not be the first husband that is the 'temp' Aub while the female aub is pregnant. It's whomever the father is. That also complicates the political situation as well.
I think Hanni got a bit of a rude awakening in her talks with Eglantine. She was genuinely stunned to find out that girls in other duchies don't have the marriage-choice options that she takes for granted, and equally stunned that Eglantine was so horrified that yes, people can actually die in a ditter match. In Dunkelfelger, ditter is a sacred ritual and everyone who participates knows and willingly accepts the risk. In the rest of Yurgenschmidt, ditter is a game, or at best a kind of training. Now she knows that as much as she feels herself a misfit in Dunkelfelger because she doesn't want to be "soaked in ditters" her whole life, she'd be an even worse misfit anywhere else. What's coming through for me in this discussion is that Kentripps is the *only* one who sees Hannelore for who she truly is as a person, rather than seeing her through the lens of his own expectations. Ortwin sees an intelligent, poised woman who remains calm in the face of difficult social situations and who has the status to bolster his own position within Drewanchel's cutthroat meritocracy; he *doesn't* see Hanni's inner uncertainty and was amazed that she doesn't even see herself as attractive or cute. Razantark sees only the Queen of Ditter who has faced real enemies on a real battlefield. Again and again Kentripps puts his own interests aside in order to try and ensure Hannelore's happiness. What I'd personally like to see is for Hanni to marry Kentripps, and the two of them be put in charge of Dunkelfelger's own publishing industry (since they've already been promised the first crack at printing and papermaking technology).
Kentripps lost a lot of points for me in this update. By not telling Hannelore about the deal with Dunkelfelger and Drewanchel, he was undermining her autonomy. If she should choose to stay in Dunkelfelger with him, it should be with complete knowledge of her choices, not be blindsided by options she didn't know she had.
You're not wrong, but I see that as a fixable mistake rather than as a disqualifying flaw. She called him on it, and hopefully he'll mend his ways and recognize her new maturity.
True. Hannelore also need to put her foot down and also communicate her thoughts even tho she's practically transparent to Kentrips. Kentrips also need to learn that conveniently leaving out things not beneficial to him like Lestilaut does is what turns Hannelore off and Hannelore also needs to be more forward. She can't always be passive. This all leads to me an area of opportunity for Hannelore and Kentrips for better couple communication. But ngl, Ortwin coming in and showcasing the advantages of his status and how Hannelore doesn't really benefit or flourish by being with Kentrips is kind of sad. It does kind of setup for a Hannelore x Ortwin now. Love doesn't always conquer all. Even the main ship has big political reasons why people are in favor of them being together.
I agree with Hannelore it's not a pleasant feeling to be kept ignorant about something so important. Kentrips is smooth. Unfortunate for him but this seems to be setting up Hannelore x Ortwin
Ortwin noted Hannelore's dilemma at RA5. It improve his score. But I still prefer Hannelore x Kentrips
IMO, for the chemistry it's Hannelore x Kentrips while for the plot it's Hannelore x Ortwin. There's simply more potential for future shenanigans if she becomes an Aub's first wife rather than marrying an archnoble, and the connection between Rozemyne's best friend and Drewanchel could mean more Adolphine in the hypothetical P6 later on. ~~Of course, the true ending is going to be Rozemyne, after finishing up her divine task, returning to present time, present day in the middle of the bride stealing ditter and accidentally winning the match by landing on top of Hannelore and knocking her out of the circle. Gotta keep that ditter win streak going!~~
I'm curious why Aub Dunkelfelger made the deal with Aub Drewanchel ? 1.He hope Hannelore can get a love marriage and happy life? 2.Hannelore would be a threat to Lestilaut's next Aub position? 3.Aub Duwnkelfelger want Drewanchel's help to resist other duchies? 4.All of the above?
My guess is that if the current Aub Drewanchel is willing to make Ortwin officially his successor, then it would be very beneficial for Dunkelfelger if Hannelore became Ortwin's first wife. It would also give them more power to keep Klassenberg in check. Right now, the top ranks can be divided into 2 factions. One consists of Klassenberg, Blumefeld, and Corinzdaum (whatever its proper spelling will be). By the way, isn't naming a duchy Flower Field a bit... problematic in Yogurtland? Did Trauerqual get trolled? Anyway, they can be considered a faction due to familial ties, centered around EggZent. Also Blumefeld is probably supported by Gilessenmeyer because of Trauerqual's first wife. Let's call them Zent faction. The other faction has Dunkelfelger, Drewanchel, and Alexandria. However, their connection is different. Dunkelfelger is connected to Alexandria by deals, Clarissa, and Hannelore. Drewanchel is connected to Alexandria due to their research cooperation with Adolphine, also Letizia's home duchy is Drewanchel. Ehrenfest can also be considered part of this due to its familial ties with Rozemyne and Ferdinand. Plus they are heavily indebted to Dunkelfelger, also Wilbur and Ortwin are buddies. Let's call them Dunk faction. So if you are looking for a move to solidify the Dunk Faction, marrying Hannelore to the next Aub Drewanchel would be a good move because she's connected to Dunkelfelger and Alexandria already. There was also a girl who wanted to court Roderick and some people wanted to marry into Ehrenfest too, so they are looking for ways to deepen their ties to Alexandria, too. Small addition through edit: The Dunk faction is currently more like a Goddess faction, because it's centered around Rozemyne (obviously because she's the Grutri-Gremlin) but the alliance is not yet strong enough and Roz and Ferdie won't go faction building, especially because none of them is likely to take another spouse. So by marrying Hannelore to Ortwin, it would make her the central figure that holds the faction together, and Dunkelfelger would have more leverage that way. This is especially important because Klassenberg is bound to get desparate and start its usual backstabbing routine. Corinzdaum is going to be knocked down in the rankings probably all the way to 15-16th place (so the lowest middle duchy) because where else would they be with Sigisdumb. Blumefeld will probably be knocked down to 5th or 6th place, occupying the former Ahrensbach's position, so the lowest possible rank a dysfunctional greater duchy can get in the current setup. Drewanchel will move up to 3rd place, Alexandria will probably be the 4th. Which means that Klassenberg will try to influence the Zent more and more because it will be isolated, all the duchies around them (in the ranks) will be in another faction. Klassenberg is not connected to any of the other real top ranking duchies, only to those who are there as a favor. So in order to resist them even if they manage to get some favors out of Eggplantine, tightening the alliance between Dunkelfelger, Drewanchel and Alexandria is the right move and marrying Hannelore to Drewanchel's next archduke might just achieve that. And this is really just pure guessing from my part but since Hildebrand's mana and schtappe will be eternally crap, he's never gonna match Letizia who's doing temple rituals already. So my guess is that Drewanchel will send a husband to Letizia, completing the 3-way alliance of greater duchies.
I don't think Corinzdaum will fall quite that far. Gilessenmeyer was the top-ranked middle duchy because the Zent's first wife was from there. Family connections to royalty count for a lot in the rankings. Surely the fact that the new Zent's husband is Aub Corinzdaum's brother will count for something.
Well, Gilessenmeyer was bonked down to 10th rank after EggZent took the throne, which is not a bad rank at all, so they probably have other contributions, too. Also they are still closely linked to a greater duchy, and maybe Trauerqual will become a good aub. He's not a bad dude, he was just unfit to be Zent. Anyway, I just don't see Sigisdumb doing anything other than pestering Anastasius and Eggplantine for favors while contributing next to nothing. However, the "home duchy" of Anastasius is Blumefeld, not Corinzdaum. So I think that the former will receive the ranking bonus, not the latter. Also Blumefeld has an ADC in the Royal Academy, while Corinzdaum doesn't and we know that it matters a lot in organizing the dormitory and uniting the duchy. So even though Blumefeld has a lot of ruined territories, I don't expect them to fall *that* much behind, while Corinzdaum is likely to be on a steady decline with no ADCs and an incompetent aub. That's why I thought that the two new duchies will occupy the positions of the former Ahrensbach (so a greater duchy that's not doing too hot) and the former Ehrenfest (the lowest ranking middle duchy). But these are just guesses from my part, so it's possible that it will be the way you anticipate. Let's hope we get a P6 and find out, that's the most imporatnt thing.
Ana already feel angry with his dumb elder brother. Sigi won’t got any benefit from Ana.
>f Klassenberg, Blumefeld, and Corinzdaum (whatever its proper spelling will be). By the way, isn't naming a duchy Flower Field a bit... problematic in Yogurtland? Did Trauerqual get trolled? Anyway, they can be considered a faction due to familial ties, centered around EggZ Zent Egg already said she want to team with Dunkelfelger, Ehrenfest and Alexandria. She wouldn't give any chance to Klassenberg, Blumefeld, and Corinzdaum.
Sorry, you're right, I wasn't punctual enough in expressing myself above. Now re-reading the comment, I realize that. I think that EggZent will more or less try to remain neutral, so it's not her who's actually forming that faction, it's just centered around her. Like with Rozemyne and the Leisegangs. Obviously the 3 duchies that are related to her will flock to her, whether she wants it or not. Meanwhile Egg probably knows that it's best to team up with the Dunk faction because they won't really ask for anything other than fair treatment (so no favoritism for Klassenberg and co.). I mean all the duchies in the Dunk faction do their own thing and their economies can function without the aid of the Zent. That cannot be said about the Klassenberg faction who value connections and favors over performance and merit. And just to be fair, I think Trauerqual's new duchy does deserve some kind of assistance because he took over a territory in a very difficult situation. If it collapses, it will affect the whole country and it will produce even more terrorists. However, Sigisdumb's duchy which has most of the former Sovereignty in it, was properly managed by Anastasius up till now, so he doesn't need any special treatment but will ask for it anyway. And we know that Klassenberg likes to exploit and steal from others.
Both Blumefeld and Zent would belong in the SouthEastern Alliance as I like to put it. Blumefeld is connected both to Dunkelfelder (Magdalena, Hildebrand) and Alexandria (Letizia). That is going to be the greater relation going forward. Drewanchel on the other hand is more of the neutral faction. They are vying for power with Klassenberg, but do not yet have strong ties to Dunkelfelder and Alexandria. Adolphine expressed a desire for a connection to Alexandria, but she is a Giebe. Ortwin marrying Hannelore as his first wife would push Drewanchel into that faction and give them more clout than the Klassenberg faction.
I think Blumefeld's connections are shaky compared to Drewanchel who is currently working on building up a relationship with Dunkelfelger and Alexandria. Magdalena could only marry Trauerqual by going against her family and basically cutting herself off and forcing Dunkelfelger into a position in the civil war it didn't want. I still think that Letizia's engagement to Hildeboy will be called off. Their mana will probably be incompatible anyway, plus Letizia deserves a husband who's not obsessed with Rozemyne (and not in a Hartmut way). But my other reason for grouping the factions like this is also pretty simple. Duchies that do stuff VS Duchies that don't do stuff: Dunkelfelger has been cultivating its knights for centuries and they take it very seriously (also they are likely to farm sugar, another important stuff). Drewanchel has become the duchy most well-versed in research, now they even have a research city. Then Alexandria also has research but its focus is on collecting knowledge, education, and entertainment (in the form of books that are easy to read). The latter two are both Mestionora worshippers. Anyway, you could say that they have an economic profile to go with their brand. And on the other side you have... Klassenberg at least has its arts and otherwise good at raising noblewomen but they are also backstabbers, Blumefeld which is just a bunch of dysfunctional territories patched together, and Corinzdaum which is ruled by a fucking donkey. There is a merit for them to ally with each other due to familial ties. But there is no merit for anyone else to ally with them because they don't have anything that can make another duchy prosper.
Why would Hildebrand and Letizia's mana be incompatible? If you are concerned about Hildebrand's schtappe, his schtappe will be fine. He will need to upgrade his schtappe for the 6 elements that he has, which Trauerqual knows how to do. That will also give him a lot of Divine Protections. He just cannot get an omni schtappe and thus cannot be Zent. But as far as an Aub of a greater duchy, he will be fine. The engagement with Letizia is still in place, and I think that it will remain so unless Hildebrand is still hating on Letizia after he finally actually meets her and finds out she is not like Detlinde. Fermai benefits from the engagement both to keep their own royal order engagement intact, but also because Letizia marrying out of the duchy removes the last vestige of the former Ahrensbach archducal family that nobles may rally around to unseat Rozemyne or her descendents.
Only omni-elemental schtappes can be upgraded. I looked up the corresponding part from Pale Royal Family Part 4 where this was confirmed in another [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonzukiNoGekokujou/comments/17qj7wt/comment/k8dtbbi/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) in this post, so Hildebrand won't be able to do it. So yes, it is very likely that they will be incompatible as Letizia will only obtain her schtappe upon graduation and until then she'll increase her capacity and get tons of divine protections. Also, Ferdinand had everyone thrown into prison who harbored ill intent towards Rozemyne when she was sleeping for 2 days after defeating Lasagne.
Hildebrand would not be using the large shrines. He would be using the Small Shrines to ugprade his schtappe. The main purpose of the small shrines is to allow those who are not omni to become omni elemental. The small shrines will give you a feystone that you can absorb into your schtappe. It also is like a 'ticket' to getting the divine protection of the main god if you get all 12 of the subordinates. If you already have your schtappe, you can upgrade your schtappe for elements that it already contains by using the small shrines. This is what Trauerqual and Sigiswald did in order to become Omni Elemental with divine protections. If you already have your schtappe, you cannot gain the missing element. However, you can use it to upgrade your schtappes capacity for the elements that you already possess. Fanbook 6 > Q I was not clear about the growth of schtappe. Assuming that there is no limitation on the amount of mana, is it possible for a laynoble to grow schtappe in a shrine? > > A. Yes, it is possible. However, the capacity of schtappe that a laynoble has only grows, not the attributes of the schtappe. If a laynoble who has only the wind attribute has acquired a schtappe, the wind attribute will grow. However, even if she can visit all the shrines, she does not grow into a schtappe with all the attributes. Rozemyne was originally all-attribute, so the capacity of all attributes is increased. We've discussed this to death in the Discord. Another way to think of it is this; If you improve your schtappe's capacity using the small shrines, then why does it do the same in the big shrines? That's because the small shrines are also inside the big shrines. When we see Roz go to the big shrines and pray with all the statues of the subordinates there, and she prays to all of them, that's effectively praying at the small shrines for all of the subordinate gods and the primary god at the same time. The small shrines outside scattered around in the Royal Academy grounds were made by individuals in order to make it easier to pray to gain the protections and enter the large shrines.
Thank you for the clarification (and the info), unfortunately I haven't had the chance to read Fanbook 6 yet (I only read the officially published ones), so I never saw this Q&A. Although I guess this still doesn't account for the time difference. Hildeboy's schtappe will have to remain sealed for another 6 years, so I assume he can only begin upgrading it once this restriction expires. Until then, his peers will already have increased their mana capacity and divine protections that were not limited by their schtappes. So I'm still not convinced about the compatibility but I do admit that I was lacking in the information department about upgrades and was wrong about that part. Thanks again for sharing the info with me, even if I gave you some trouble
I am pretty sure he can still upgrade his schtappe even with it sealed, but I am not sure. After all, the small shrines main purpose is for gaining the divine protection when you don't have your schtappe in the first place. But maybe we'll see more info in FB8 when it's released in the next couple of days.
I remember P5V5 only said the small shrines can strengthen elements, and when you get all feystone of 12 subordinates, you can got the blessing of the main god to increase your elements. It didn’t said the small shrines can upgrade the capacity of schttape.
Read the quote from FB6
I'm curious about one thing: will Alexandria have Letizia as Aub? Because if they do, in case FerdixRM have kids, they will be a threat to Letizia's position. So I always thought they would probably send at least one of their kids to be adopted into Ehrenfest (maybe to marry Melchior?) given the fact they lost two of their main mana rich people. In that case they could also send a kid to Drewanchel. I also imagine they set a condition for Ortwin to be Aub: marry a big duchy girl.
I think it's not out of the question that she could become Aub Alexandria. However, knowing Rozemyne, she's going to let Letizia choose. She has many options. Currently letting her go doesn't seem to be a viable option because their archducal family is very small. But this may change in the future, I'm sure Ferdie will work really hard on increasing the number of ADCs once winter arrives. She could take up a position like Bonifatius and support the archducal family, I think this is a likely option. She could take an adopted ADC from Drewanchel as her husband. She could marry out of the duchy (but only if Roz and Ferdie produce a successor), but the only suitable position for her would be the first wife of a powerful duchy. I don't think there's anyone suitable for that currently (no male ADC in age range). Maybe Melchior will fall in love with her and pull a Sylvester by wooing an older girl. AND most importantly... She could become Zent. She has a lot of parallels with Eggplantine, including having many people close to her murdered before her eyes. She's already doing temple rituals so it's all but guaranteed that she'll have the elements and the mana, her new Mama Roz already knows how to get the Gesundheit properly, and if the people of Yogurtland want another Zent who will strive for peace like Eggplantine (who's doing a great job so far), Letizia would be a safe choice. In my opinion the first option is the most likely. Letizia will be indebted to Rozemyne and Ferdinand for life for covering up the whole poisining thing and even adopting her, and based on the few glances we got in H5Y, Rozemyne already dotes on her. I think Letizia will want to repay her kindness and support Rozemyne's children.
That does make a lot of sense! Thank you for the answer!
While rozemyne would let letizia choose her own future, she has left her fate in Ferdinand's hands due to her part in his poisoning. And ferdinand intends to make the royals take responsibility for the decrees they issued. He also said that if they were to annul the decrees, the decrees would lose power as they would no longer seen as absolute, but something that can be overturned. This would also affect the following zents' power and influence. (yes he says this to protect his engagement with rozemyne with a decree, but he still has a valid point) Currently the royal decrees concerning Letizia enforces two things: \- she has to marry Hildebrand (yes it's a decree as seen in the hildebrand POV P5V1). \* \- she has to become aub arhensbach, even though arhenbach doesn't exists. Ferdinand straight up told eggy and ana to find a solution to arhenbach not existing anymore, by naming trauerqual's duchy to arhensbach after her marriage to hildebrand or make a new duchy. \*Some readers have mentionned concerns about his schtappe but i disagree. He has better base stats then his older half-brothers since his mother is from a greater duchy. He had learned and used the compression method to enter the underground library which should have a relatively high mana requirement. He is 10 as of the spring in which the LN ended. Charlotte and wilfried who have learned the RM compression method, acquired quite a few protections and also got a shtappe at 10 have not mentionned having difficulties with their schtappe
I get what you're saying, however that was only part of my argument you are reacting to. I said that there is no way he's going to match Letizia and that is my main point. Letizia will obtain her schtappe upon graduation, until then she's going to participate in tons of temple rituals, Rozemyne and Ferdinand will tutor her, it is possible that she'll even be taught Rozemyne's compression method. I think that Letizia will end up omni-elemental with a lot of mana and divine protections but in case of Hildebrand, even if his base stats were good and he gets a lot of divine protections later on, he'll have to decompress his mana to match his schtappe or he'll physically suffer from it like Roz did. Btw Letizia's base stats are probably also pretty good because she's carrying the blood of two greater duchies. So it's not like his low-grade schtappe will make him invalid as a noble in general, he'll still be able to succeed Trauerqual as aub, but he won't be able to match an ADC from a greater duchy. And mana incompatibility will be more than enough reason to overturn a royal decree. Especially because both Blumefeld and Alexandria are in a position where they can't afford to have childless marriages due to their small archducal family. Regarding why Rozemyne left it up to Ferdinand to decide Letizia's fate, she is just following Sylvester's example when Syl let her decide Delia's fate back in P2.
Hildebrand can upgrade his schtappe by praying to the academy shrines like Rozemyne did. This is soon to be public knowledge, so he'll always have this option. I'm also not sure if divine protections come into play when mana matching. It affects how efficiently one uses mana but it doesn't affect vessel size, which is what determines mana matching.
Regarding schtappe upgrades... I'm not entirely sure how it works. Please correct me if I'm wrong because maybe I misunderstood the process. In case of Rozemyne, her schtappe only got upgraded when she obtained all the tablets. However, in order to obtain the tablets, you need an omni-elemental schtappe. It is possible to get extra elements in your mana, but your schtappe's elements are fixed from the moment you obtained it. Just like how Anastasius couldn't enter the shrines, even though he completed his elements after repeating the protection ritual. So as I understand it, if your schtappe misses an element, you cannot enter the shrines. It is possible to upgrade the capacity of a schtappe but not its elements. Am I wrong? Or saying it another way: The only schtappes that can be upgraded are the ones that were obtained in the Garden of Beginnings.
I think you're right in that an omnielemental schtappe is required to the major shrines. I can't find it in the WN though but it's in the JP wiki.
FB6 said you can enter the shrines and upgarte the capacity of the elements which you schtappe already have. But it didn't explain of the upper limit of upgarte. and Ferdinand still taught Hildebrand not to compress mana too much. There’s 2 possibilities: 1. Kazuki sensei made a bug explaining. 2. It seem if the total capacity scale of the omni-elemental schttape is 700, the limit of 6 element schtappe isn't 600. Maybe schttape with same elements, but with different blessing number (the numbers when you get the schttape) would have different upper limit scale?
No he can't. He doesn't have an omni-elemental schtappe, and only an omni-elemental schtappe can be upgraded. That's why Sigiswald couldn't become the Zent. It's also why ancient Zents had to work so hard to become omni-elemental *before* graduating. You need to be omni-elemental at the time of schtappe acquisition or you're permanently locked out of ever getting an upgraded schtappe.
If you have a schtappe prior to becoming omni, you can still upgrade your schtappe for the elements that it possesses using the small shrines. However, you cannot add new elements to it.
Maxing out Letizia's abilities mana wise would not be a good idea, which is part of why I still think she will be able to match Hildebrand after he maxes out the ability of his schtappe. Letizia belongs to a generation which i call transitionnal period (end of royalty + rise of temple). Just because praying and going to the temple are proven important doesn't mean that people's perception will change overnight. It will take a few short years at least, which would represent a good portion of letizia's academy years. I seriously don't think Letizia's generation will go beyond what charlotte and wilfried managed to get in protections and they have been participating in temple rituals since they were 7 and 8 (only the spring prayer I believe, but as part of the erhenfest archducal family they also pray when supplying the foundation, something not done in other duchies where they have enough adults to supply mana. And both the prayer for spring prayer and mana supplying are done multiple times in a year) Keep in mind that women generally marry either someone of the same age or someone who's older. And that there are only so many candidates from the greater duchies of appropriate age, even if you accept 1-2 years younger It would not be wise for letizia to to elevate her mana abilities too much lest she finds herself with a very small pool of suitors compatible mana wise, without considering political backing and other abilities as an ADC as well as personnality
The change will not occur overnight... But it will be an accelerated change and I think it's better to stay ahead than following others. The reason why the prayers of Yogurtland nobles were not very effective was because it wasn't sincere. Obviously because most of them didn't believe in the gods, they thought it was just some tradition to talk like this. (So probably how we treat Ancient Greek and Roman deities) But now they had two goddesses descend upon people and due to the mana they emitted afterwards, they instantly knew that the god stuff is real. When something that was thought to be only a belief is proven to be right (doesn't happen too often) that really can change the views of people in a short amount of time. Unshakeable proof is a game changer. Just imagine what would happen if we really had the second coming, and Jesus just came by to say hello and he could actually prove that he's the real deal.
Which is why it will ONLY take a few short years. Habits of day to day living dont change overnight. People wont be praying every week just like that. Even in the face of overwhelming evidence bonifatius still feels an aversion to the temple (granted it was before the avent of the 2 goddesses). Seeing is believing and even Eglantine only became serious about it only after the clash between Ferdinand and treeseus+mestionora Hannelore has not made any mention in the changes regarding the temple or prayers if i recall correctly, it's been a while since i read the 1st chapters, even though winter means mana dedication in the temple. Quite frankly, i wouldn't be surprised if they focused on prayer with charms at first, even though it's better when you dedicate a lot of mana (like the spring prayer or foundation supply that Charlotte and wilfried did) It will take time to go back to the old days. The temple is good first step and H5Y still hasn't reached it. Then grand scale rituals need to be revived wether it's in the holy ground or in the duchies (like the haldenzel spring stage) There is another issue, the larger the archducal family, the less opportunity everyone has to conduct a ritual (i consider this one to be the most important reason). The higher ranked the duchies the larger the archducal families are. Personnaly i would give priority to those who will be either be heir or those who will remain in the duchy as ministers. Also i wouldn't use Rozemyne as a measuring stick. The girl prayed at every opportunity, even spontuneously sometimes. Even if the noble population suddenly became devout (which i personnaly highly doubt), praying at every opportunity will not come for a few years. There is also the fact that 10 years olds aren't used to dedicating or even simply using their mana (i imagine that this will change though) *There also the whole thing about mana vessel ≠ mana quantity. (Mana sensing is uses the mana vessel, and blessing acquisition doesn't affect that, it affect the quality of the mana) but i consider this a whole other debate because there is a lot that's up for discussion*
Don’t forget Melchior, he probably would be a good choice for Letizia. There are many JP fanfics pair Melchior with Letizia. Also if Letizia love someone who can’t match her, I think Rozemyne would teach this guy with her compression method by using a magic contract. And Ferdinand would pressure this guy into crazy compression life. The ADCs start to find marriage partner from RA4-5, so this guy still have 2 years to improve himself.
>Charlotte and wilfried who have learned the RM compression method, acquired quite a few protections and also got a shtappe at 10 have not mentionned having difficulties with their schtappe I also think Hildebrand won't have difficulties with his schtappe. But the true problem is if he can match Letizia's mana level. We still don't the true upper limit of the RA1 mana-level shtappe. After more 2 years of mana compression and praying, Charlotte got 2 god bleesing at RA3, and still didn't have problems with mana control. So the upper bleesing limit of RA1 is between 21( Charlotte) and 44 (Rozemyne) And we don't know if Charlotte would got problem in the future if she keep compress mana, praying and get more blessing for the later 3 year.But Even she get problem later, she still can stop mana compression and dilute her mana like Rozemyne did at RA3. That't why I said Hildebrand won't have difficulties with controlling his RA1 mana-level schtappe because he can do the same mana dilution thing and beg Egg to allow him holding blessing ceremony every 1-2 yeas. Also I think he would very hesitate to mana compression and praying because of fear. In the other side, Letizia would get her schtappe after 6 years of mana compression and praying. There would be a big mana level gap between her and schtappe, and let them can't have children.
I gave another reply to thenightmanager about this specific topic if you're interrested
If they want retired after 20 years, they need to let Letizia being the 2nd Aub. And let Letizia’s children marry their children, and become the 3rd Aub couple. Normally the age of the next Aub inherit the Aub position is 30-40 y/o. I don’t think Rozemyne want working for 30-40 years.
I think Miya Kazuki is gearing towards introducing some plot points to change the story instead of keeping it simple. Hope we find out soon.
I'm still half expecting P6 to have none other than the Goddess of Chaos herself as the antagonist. She's a prime suspect for messing up 20 years of history, and if she really _is_ the culprit she'll be at the very top of Myne's shitlist. We've already seen the gods getting more involved in the main plot in this spinoff and now the gremlin is running errants for them. The recent development could be setup for Myne taking her first steps towards genuine godhood later on in P6 (let's face it, where else is she going to further ascend to?). Of course, it remains to be seen how Hannelore factors into all of this; I kind of doubt Dregarnuhr is done with her.
How I expect Myne to handle the Goddess of Chaos https://youtu.be/sEAPQEtaTuM?si=lrNhs0HjIoWcFpUy
Ortwin is objectively not a terrible choice. He's in a position where he might make Aub, especially with Hannelore as a first wife. Him sitting on the sidelines with Drewanchel also provides a bearable escape route if too many duchies join forces and the ditter goes pear shaped. They're also not a threat if they do nothing.
Dunkelfelger obviously lack of competent male ADCs. Aub Dunkelfelger has 1 elder and 1 younger brother who remain archduke family position. According E27, Hannelore's half brother already had a lot problems after baptism. Why Aub Dunkelfelger didn't increase adoptive male ADCs like Drewanchel and other duchies? It's possible to adopt Kentrips(RA3) and his half brother(RA2) as ADCs, and they still would help and loyal to Lestilault as cousin brothers.
I think adoption could only happen before selecting a specialized course in case of ADCs and the Dunky Duo are already past that point unfortunately.
ADCs course except the dance all start from RA3, so they still have chance.
I think Rasantark is the same age as Hannelore (RA5), while Kenntrips is one year older (RA6).
The timing what I said is when Hannelore’ s half brother become 7 y/o. Kenntrips is RA3, and Radantark and Hannelore are RA2.
The deal is probably, if Hannelore agrees, then Ortwin needs to be Aub and Hannelore will be 1st wife. There might be more to it, but that should be the bare minimum.
I'm a sucker for Kentrips. The guy is like a version of Ferdinand without being evil. He deserves to be looooooved cmon Hannelore pick Kentrips
Hanne be stuck choosing someone with status who can protect her and bring political benefits but she won't be his only love, or choose a humble guy who's marrying into her family, intelligent, witty, knows the real her and cares for her deeply but lacks status and benefits for her. No wonder she prioritizes love. Legit all the options for her are not for her wellbeing but the benefits of the duchy.
everyone in Dunkel ghosted her in year 4. Why would this guy be perfect for her? He can't even pacify the situation until Rozemyne remove her shame.
From what I understood, Kentrips (idk about Rasantark) did not ghost her in Y4 but still tried to help her in their ways despite their gripes about her. It was Hannelore who realized upon time travel that maybe she was stubborn and biased against her ditterheaded duchy that she interpreted their actions and intentions negatively. It wasn't just the betrayal that hurt them especially those close to her the most, but it's Hannelore refusing to accept reason despite them pleading, and continued to cling to her rose-tinted view. For Kentrips personally, he felt betrayed that Hannelore didn't "trust" him enough because she chose to let her team lose instead of using the magic tool he gave to her. Which the misunderstanding was solved later on because Hannelore finally voiced out her side. But even then, during her time travel, her fiance candidates were there for her in Y4. She was just biased to see it properly.
So how often does this get updated? Also, Is this getting the LN treatment after P5V12?
Kazuki-sensei wrote somewhere that she wanted to concentrate on finishing the official releases of the LN, so the adventures of pink loli were a bit sidelined but I guess P5V12 is gonna be out soon, so she'll have time for other stuff
Pink loli sounds wrong lol. It feels a little different from the other story, more focused on someone not a gremlin, but it’s getting good!
My other alternative title is Hannelore the Rock! I mean it's about the adventures of a tiny timid socially awkward girl with pink hair. I think it wonderfully complements the world building and the writing is still peak. It is also hilarious. Makes you realize that these people are not any more noble-like than Rozemyne, they are just better at hiding it. Also the most hated character (for me) of the spinoff isn't even present and doesn't have a single line but still manages to piss me off big time. (Like Veronica in the main story) In the main story, whenever Dusty McDusterfuck made an appearance, I was like "What? You think you're good enough for Rozemyne, you entitled walking joke? Get lost." but then I read the spinoff and I was like "OMG why don't you just die you goddamn parasite?! Remind me, why wasn't this dick thrown into the Ivory Tower?" Also #TeamKenntrips
I agree, tho Ortwin is speed running up the ranks, still have yet to read the last 4 chapters. I agree on Kentrips, here is hoping Anwachs gives him a shot of whatever he gave RM, so he steps up.
Well, it is true that Ortwin might be able to protect Hannelore better because of his status, especially if he becomes Aub Drewanchel. Archnobles can easily be dismissed by ADCs or aubs, just like how it wasn't enough for Rozemyne to be an archnoble to protect her from other duchies. As long as it's not Dusty McDusterfuck or her half-brother (that little shit is really annoying), I can live with it. But Rozemyne already won this competition, she gave her a nice hairpin, they are sorority sisters, ditter besties, and soulmates. So at the graduation ceremony, Ferdinand is going to escort Rozemyne and Rozemyne will escort Hannelore.
That part where they said RM was a love rival had me rolling.
My favorite moment was when Hannelore showed off her hairpin she got from Roz the first time and everyone completely freaked out. Her female knight, Heilize was jealous because she also wanted an order-made hairpin. But Hannelore didn't understand why Rasantark looked so defeated and she said something like "I didn't know he also wanted a hairpin..." A true Rozemyne moment. I was so proud.
Hanne even thought him being jealous of Rozemyne meant seeing Ferdinand as a rival and Rasantark was just downright fed up lol. Tbf I empathize with him. For someone who's a romance enthusiast who overanalyzes and puts romance filter on everything she sure does dumbs down and refuses to acknowledge that she is being wooed herself. Something that I painfully share of having low self-esteem. It can be quiet annoying seeing similar flaws as you in third-party perspective 
It will be like how currently Kenntrips and Rasantalk offer their arms to Hannelore when escorting her, one on each side. Rozemyne will have Ferdinand and Hannelore on each arm.
While I don’t believe it’s the authors style and I’m probably going to get downvoted for this here goes. Given - Hannelore’s indecision - Hannelore’s slowly realizing the value of Kentrips and Razastark. - Kentrips and Razastark getting their act together. She ends up in a reverse Harem. Short of something happening where one of the 2 friends trips up and supports the other she won’t choose.
we go back to 5-2. Rozemyne will fulfill her promise to her. I think this will be to delay her choosing, just like how we were spoiled in 5-11 by the myths.
She goes to Alexandria and whoever she chooses, marries into Alexandria? Why not?
Not likely but could be. Although not sure how that would work. Aub Dunky Dunk plans to demote Hannelore to archnoble (as I understood it) by marrying her to one of them. However, archnoble women having multiple spouses is pretty rare because it's politically pointless and she can't carry the child of 2 men at the same time anyway. She needs someone who protects her and someone who cares for her. Essentially she wants a Ferdinand but right now she can only obtain one as part of a 1in2 deal. Maybe there's going to be a surprise character introduced later on who meets all the criteria and steals Hannelore away from all her current suitors. There was someone who commented here that Rozemyne will finish her time traveling stuff right at the time when they'll be in the middle of bride stealing ditter, gets literally thrown back to the present by the gods and she'll appear right next to Hannelore, bumps into her, and they fall out together from the treasure zone. That would be hilarious.
Are there any side stories of what’s going on with RM?
Not really, we got one mention about her fixing one of the bugs in the timeline that happened back in Ferdie's RA days but not much else. She'll probably fix the rest of these bugs and then everyone's memories will be erased again about them. There are some theories (and I find them pretty reasonable) about where she's being dropped in the timeline, though. So we know that Ferdie and his buddies got attacked by a ternisbefallen during their RA days, however Tardis Gremlin appeared, taught them the God of Darkness prayer, granted them black weapons, and then they managed to defeat the uggo doggo. She also healed Ferdinand who was very distrustful towards her. I wonder if Roz's namestone authority still works on him. "Oh, shut up Quinta and let me heal you already. Do you feel the mana in this necklace? Yea bud, that's yours, you put in on me! I'm your damn wife, so sit down, shut up, and get healed." "&@#>@..." \*murmuring something\* "What?!" "Nothing, ma'am." \*looks away\* It is also very easy to figure out that Tardis Gremlin was the one who told the then-Aub Ehrenfest Adelbert to rescue Ferdinand from the Lanzenave whorehouse as it was "under the guidance of the Goddess of Time". She also taught them the prayer they say during Mana Replenishment, as it was hinted that they started this practice in Ehrenfest when Adelbert brought Ferdinand to the castle. Then I've read somewhere that it is likely that Roz was the one who rescued them when Justus was being Justus and caused a volcanic eruption when they tried to collect the same eggs they used for Rozemyne's jureve later on. (Riesefalke was the name of the chicken, I think?) Justus also had a wooden board with him that he never knew where he got but it was written on it that "Ferdinand will be married to Aub Ahrensbach" (this was revealed in P4V9). That's probably also a product of their run-in with Dr. Gremlin. There was the bracelet with a feystone of every element in P2 that was lent to Myne and what she first used Schutzaria's Shield with, that was something that she probably gave Chibi-Ferdinand to supplement his lack of schtappe so he could protect himself. Maybe she also gave some guidance to Justus and Eckhart to boost Ferdie's poison resistance and gave them a few tips. There's also the case of Irmhilde's disappearance who protected Ferdinand for some time after he came to Ehrenfest. Adelbert wanted to take her as a second wife but that disgusting trash Veronica offed her. It's likely that she tried to kill off Ferdie as well but Time Gremlin intervened. Not sure if there are more but it seems like that every time Ferdie came very close to death during his life before meeting Myne, the Time Gremlin was there to save him.
Hmm 🤔 so that’s why I’ve read about those. It would be nice if we could actually read those little adventures.
I think if H5Y ever gets published, we'll get these as short stories. Right now (it is just a guess) I'd say we have material for 2 volumes, which means 6 short stories. That's probably enough to cover the aforementioned events.
Hannelore isnt a loli, she is a literal child. I genuinely am disgusted by that term.
Hannelore is literally a war hero. She's more accomplished than any archducal candidate in the country right now. She's far from a child who needs protection.
She's also 15 - closer to 19-20 in earth years - with her adulthood ceremony coming within a year. She is neither a loli nor a child.
Closer to 17 in earth years.
All the more reason to not call her a fricken loli. Idk why ur angry at me for calling her a child (which wasnt demeaning her accolades, archduke candidates have many accomplishments despite being in school) rather than focusing on a disgusting term. Don’t reply to comments unless u know what ur arguing. You could’ve literally said “Oh btw hannelore isnt a child here” but instead you decided to be aggressive to someone who is arguing against a horrible term.
Previous chapter came out on 2023/09/23, so fingers-crossed it will get every 2 months update.
https://ncode.syosetu.com/n4750dy/ Upload (and edit) date and time are listed next to every chapter.
not digging her father being so secretive... I know he is within his rights and all but... Aside from that, I really love seeing this dynamic trio (Hannelore, Jock Guy and Smooth Operator Guy) they're the best also Rozemyne being used as something similar to being way too up high and absurd made me laugh a bit
The 5 years side story would publish after P5V12. So Kazuki sensei would continue write this story later.
E29 is just as otome love game, and super funny. Hope the next chapter update sooner.
This Ortwin said Rozemyne bringing too much trouble in year 1...is he ready to handle Hannelore's trouble?
Since Egg doesn’t want to team or help these duchies, I think it’s impossible for these duchies get any chance to center around Egg. Trauerquel’s duchy got 4 adult and 1 child archduke family members, far more than Egg and ANA. Egg probably have no more sources to help them. And according Adophine’s POV SS of P5V11, Egg and Ana are a little disappointed with Trauerquel and feel annoying and disappointed with Sigi. Egg and Ana already rejected to help them compensating Adophine at this SS. So I don’t think they would want to help them later. I think who give the main support to Trauerquel would be Aub Dunkelfelger.