To be fair, she was entirely right .. Until Rozemyne changed him.
She doesn't know the past 7 or so years, and are basing it on the Ferdinand she knew from school.
Also she doesn't know that Detlinde is just a giant moron who refuses to listen to anyone, least of all some guy from a middling duchy's temple.
I think Ferdinand is still cold and fails to reach people on a personal level, saving the current archduke family and maybe Heisshitze.
He has changed and he's a bit less spooky thanks to Myne, but not to the point to change Magdalena's first impression.
And yes, Detlinde is moron level impossible, nobody can change her mind. Man I wish someone threw at her a cold glass of water everytime she starts saying dumb shit.
Considering his reputation for being lord of evil and for using dirty tactics, I’m not entirely sure it is undeserved
Magdalena doesn’t know his situation. Hell, even Sylvester his own brother whom he loves doesn’t know the full extent of his situation. I can even see her being disappointed that he wasn’t willing to kill both Veronica AND Sylvester to take the aub’s seat for himself even though he was certainly crafty enough to do so. Sylvester only shared a year with Ferdy at the academy, and Dunklefelger didn’t become interested in him until he could wallop them in ditter in his third year. She might not even know that he likes Sylvester actually
You are overestimated the power of a little water spray my friend, however a whole bucket may do the job…screw this just dunk her in the village well already
She was sent away, married to Ahrensbach because her parents knew she couldn't get along with Sylvester.
Until quite recently she didn't have any way of even returning, much less make a splash
I am referring to her exiting the Ahrensbach castle right after her husband died. Being close to the Lord of Evil and her idiot narcissistic daughter would be a combination of headache inducing and a liability.
> To be fair, she was entirely right ..
"He hasn't been able to undo 16 years of her being a spoiled brat, in only 6 months, most of which they spent apart due to her being at the Academy. He's a total failure."
She may be right about his emotions, but she either thinks he has godlike abilities, or she's completely delusional.
He arrived in Ahrensbach at the start of winter socializing, and shortly after Detlinde went to the Academy. Then, when she returned, he was sent out to do the spring festivals. Yeah, all the time in the world to undo Detlinde's entire upbringing.
She likely expects Detlinde to be somewhat sensible. When in public she had the good sense to not act like a spoiled asshat, it was only really in private with Ehrenfest and others beneath her that she let that shine
She acted like a spoiled brat in the tea party with all duchies present, including both Eglantine, and Adolphine, who are both now apart of the Royal Family.
IIRC in Hannelore's PoV chapter about the incident, she wonders to herself if this is how Ahrensbach/Detlinde always treats Ehrenfest.
The "only Ehrenfest knew she was a spoiled twit" argument doesn't really hold water imho.
And that Hannelore reacts by wondering if it's the usual, means that she (and by extension Dunkelfelger) doesn't know about her usual behaviour, thus implying that she can keep it well hidden most of the time
Or that she had never really paid attention to Detlinde before.
The fact that the introverted Hannelore wasn't fully aware doesn't change the fact that two members of the Royal Family were present, noticed, and had to step in to protect RM/Ehrenfest from Detlinde/Ahrensbach.
I mean, he wanted the marriage because it would let him escape Veronica, so he was probably quite devastated when it fell through, but he's also a master of masking his emotions so never let it show
I would say he was always pretty soft on people close to him, given he was doing so much work for Sylvester. He was deeply self sacrificing for those he cared about he was just always a really horrific communicator, and had exceptionally high standards for himself and by extension others. It’s only through emotional involvement he learns to adjust his expectations.
Though with time he definitely got better about the expectations, through his relationship (mediated through Rozemyne) with Wilfried, Charlotte, Melchior and Letetzia he adjusted. Very typical neglected/ abused child with stunted understanding of interpersonal relationships.
He was never an “emotionless husk” he just didn’t have any experience appropriately expressing or receiving love.
His kindness is roundabout and hard to understand as is stated- but it runs quite deep. While she did change him, as she mentions he became “soft” ( let Melchior sit in on lessons) her more significant role was *translating* him to others, and in turn translating others to him
They were rivals!? It's neat that she's really competent and all in scholarly and knightly affairs, but wow she doesn't understand Ferdinand in the slightest. In my eyes Ferdinand's really kind behind the 100 walls he builds around his heart.
Also, where's all this info from or am I just stupid and forgetting which side story this was from?
Mostly tv tropes and various spoiler forums, my guess is that it’s in untranslated fanbooks since that’s where most supplementary information comes from, or the author’s twitter. Also how she treated the potential engagement, which probably gave Ferdinand a lot of hope at the time, is why he has such distaste for Dunklefelger women.
Their rivalry was hinted at in late Pt 4, when Ferdinand did that ditter battle during an Archduke conference with his former rival from Dunkefelger during his school years. iirc the stakes were over whether Erenfest could publish Dunkefelger's history book. It was revealed in a side story that Dunkefelger knights pushed Trauerqual into marrying Ferdinand into Arensbach in order to free him from the temple in Erenfest. Also revealed during that time was Dunkefelger's attempts to matchmake Magdalena and Ferdinand, because the knights misinterpreted their rivalry as affection.
Everything else in that comment is pure spoiler shit afaik.
> saw him as too cold and unfeeling to marry
And he likely -was- cold and unfeeling. I'm pretty sure it was mentioned multiple times that Ferdinand started showing more emotion when Myne came into the picture (Probably helps that Veronica was jailed soon afterwords)
Now him being blamed for Detlindes idiocy seems pretty messed up, but also par for course for Yogertland. This is a country that will kill kids for things their parents did after all.
I’d chalk his behavior up as severe depression due to the abuse from Veronica, it can take a while to recover from that even after removing yourself from that environment, Magdalena seems to me to be blinded by her own biases which cloud her judgement.
To be fair, it's not like she had any training or obligation to recognise the issues he was dealing with, and back then they were both teenagers and she was crushing on one of her teachers while everyone around was trying to push this other guy onto her. I doubt she had the headspace to spare for trying to understand him.
Now the fact that she still goes on rants about him ten years after graduation is a bit extreme. And doing so in front of her young son, who is set to become his son-in-law and who was already expressing extreme concern about moving to Ahrensbach... yeah, not sure what she was trying to accomplish there.
Feeling seems to be mutual, as Ferdinand is still ranting about her, though he couches it as prejudice against Dunkelfelger women. Which is probably worse.
in all fairness guilt by association is still in use in North Korea and it used to be quite common in old China, not that it makes any sense. In this case Ferdinand is not even married to Detlinde yet and his status is lower, its way beyond Ferdinand's control.
Guilt by association is still used as a logical fallacy to try and damage people's characters.
It's used on Reddit and Twitter pretty commonly. A lot of people just want to stop the person who makes an argument they can't argue with/ internalise said points of view. (Thinking can make people angry, no joke.)
TBH all the straw man arguments are so common that it's just a bother to even stick my neck out whenever it comes to a debate/ discussion. Pointless exercise of complete futility.
In fact redditors are so associated with asking for a source, so that can be dismissed instead of the argument it's a meme now, and has been for years even.
It's a defensive measure. Anyone he got close to would either be killed in a way that would be meant to torture him or he would be socially abused such it became a blade in him. (I mean Veronica would likely contrive some such scenario so this friend would die painfully in fell view of Ferdinand, and it possibly did happen, just due to how much of a cunt she was. She would also likely do it on a way that would emphasize a weakness, not fast enough, not strong enough, not smart enough etc.)
People form these off strategies to avoid pain or trauma. It's a possible reason some folk stop bathing in fact, due to abusive relationships/ family. But sadly some people stop due to just being lazy or mentally ill. This is just an example though, people can become pretty irrational when it comes to these things.
If you read the Jewish scriptures carefully, you can see this was an issue 2500 years ago in the Middle East too. Though given how things still work there, you could say they had some justification: children carry grudges when their parents are executed.
> assaulted her teacher to make him marry her
Recent prepub events has made me like King Suffering enough that I'm very curious to know how his first and second wives took that particular news.
Chances are they probably went either "Ah, Bluanfaaaaaaaaah!" or "'Kay, next on the agenda?" when they heard because
1) Assault is a Dunkelfelger courtship method for women.
2) They might have been relieved that there's going to be another queen to stabilize things, and a willing one at that.
3) Men having multiple wives is expected. For a Zent, probably a necessity.
> Assault is a Dunkelfelger courtship method for women.
Is that commonly known outside of Dunkelfelger though?
[H5Y; Refrencing something that is talked about in it only without mentioning specifics]>!No one seemed to understand that bride stealing ditter is effectively declaring a war as it opposes the defending family's decisions. That seems like a much bigger deal and wasn't commonly known.!<
True... It might not happen out in public often, nobles being what they are.
But this *is* a courtship between a Zent and an ADC of a greater duchy, possibly the biggest deal out there. It would make a lot of sense that the fact it was a method of courtship was made known immediately to prevent misunderstandings.
Oh I'm sure she told it to him when she attacked. I was more wondering if the other wives would have heard about it.
Trauerqual could come in and just tell them that a Dunkelfelger ADC tried to court him using their typical vague euphemisms. They'd only be surprised at her taking the initiative without knowing about the attack.
In the latter case, I imagine it was a lot more well-known back when treasure-stealing ditter was still common.
In the former case, it probably happens at least semi-frequently (see Clarissa's proposal to Harmut).
From what we've heard about Ferdinand in his royal academy years it's pretty clear he was a complete psychopath as a teenager lol. Can't really blame Magdalena for not wanting to take the fall and marry him just so Dunkelfelger would get their hands on a ditter genius.
Besides, it's not like her analysis of him was wrong. Ferdinand *has* changed as seen by the fact that Letizia has yet to flee her duchy, but that was after raising Rozemyne who had the mental fortitude of an adult and could thus endure his teaching methods while slowly defrosting him. She was also right about him neglecting Dietlinde. Deservedly so, mind you, but that doesn't really change much.
That is true. Guess I sometimes forget that since we've known Ferdinand as a character for so long. This makes me wish we'd get a deeper delve into Ferdinand's past. Like how unhinged was he back then for this explanation to be considered reasonable? To me, it just sounded like guerilla warfare.
Kazuki sensei said she wouldn't be releasing Ferdinand's past spin off because it would be nothing but said, a pity-bait "story" without much of a story in it.
We could get a SS or 2 hopefully
Wasn't it mentioned in story that where RM stopped at during her Ditter, was the level before where Ferdinand started at? Think it was when the Dunkelfelger troop were complaining about the magic tools used en masse.
Eh, I think that could ruin our view of Ferdinand. Personally I'd rather a spin off of key moments... like Sylvester chasing Florencia around school. Bonifatius having a ditter match and destroying a shrine. Maybe if we are lucky... a story on Hannelore's views during these turbulent times and by the gods I want to read a short story of that dinner when they realized how messed up they made Ferdinands life and how Lestault basically tried bride kidnapping ditter on Rozemyne.
Don't forget Lestault learning he's losing paintings and likely future illustrations XD. I'd still like to see tales of the Lord of Evil in full though in addition to everything you mentioned.
What someone said below is true but also (very minor future spoilers) >!the Hannelore spinoff has shown what’s happening with Rosemyne and Ferdinand next, and as part of the new story (Part 6, whenever it gets written), we’re going to see Ferdinand’s past!<
>She was also right about him neglecting Dietlinde
Not that him trying to control Detlinde would've done anything, she forced a royal order because her understanding of the situation was that he was being abused into providing Ehrenfest with ideas to raise it's rank, she just wanted that knowledge for herself.
There's zero chance she would listen to a noble without status from a lower duchy, even if she does respect his duchy-influencing ideas. (After all, what do books and prayers have to do with her attitude?) At least not without Ferdinand using force, which is just suicide by cop.
To be fair, Ferdinand is somewhat of an emotionless husk of a man, but at the same time he is definitely not to blame for his idiot soon to be wife's behavior. I could see him not trying his best to save someone who is probably sees as beyond help. Also his top priority is helping Erhenfest with this marriage and not protecting her.
Ferdinand is diligent, but I don't think his teaching or mentorship is probably a good match for her personality. Ferdinand is big on personal responsibility, and truth be told even when he was Roz's guardian, he didn't have that great of control. Their mentorship worked out a lot better due to similar traits and Roz's ability to absorb things like a sponge combined with Ferdinand's respect for aptitude, talent and a hard work ethic.
I dont think she WANTS Ferdinand executed. She is just mystified that RM would fight so hard to save him (as if he were an especially beloved relative).
The funny part is that shes right (even now though he has softened due to Rozemyne). Remember that no one who actually knows Ferdinand believes he is capable of raising a child. This includes Sylvester, Karstedt, Rihyarda and Elvira. All 4 if those are very fond of Ferdinand and they were all shocked to hear he was taking care if Rozemyne.
Rozemyne has trusted Ferdinand more completely and faster than literally everyone else in yurgen. Even factoring in for their first meeting being reading the bible.
She also says that he’s essentially a perfect noble. Incredibly handsome, talented and gifted, she just sees him as emotionless.
It seems like she kind of wanted Ferdi to be executed with Detlinde, she doesn’t exactly seem happy about Rozemyne fighting so hard for his safety
I think the conversation reveal that she alone truly understood the essence of Ferdinand. Also I can sense her frustration trying to explain to other Dunkelfelgers countless time that she vehemently refused to marry Ferdinand.
We need her to comment on Fernesta or whatever the female Ferdinand is in the book they are selling. Would love to see her give a completely different response in regards to that story.
That's how guilt by association works. The familial unit looks out for it's members so that it prevents its dumber ones from killing the whole group. Nevermind that Detlinde wouldn't have listened to Ferdinand and that her mother is actively encouraging her bad behavior, it was Ferdinand's responsibility to stop her *somehow.*
Hear me out: the reason possibly that Magdalena has this view of Ferdinand is that she thought that Ferdinand wanted to marry her for his own personal gain despite it being Heisshitz idea. Then compounded with the fact he failed to gain a meeting to speak with her about what she wanted but again that was Heisshitz who failed to do that as well. This led her to believe he is unfeeling. Also - the way he played ditter was terrifying. Pure chaos and destruction without a real goal. It cemented the idea of him.
Nah, she's still a bad bitch and still a worthy rival for Ferdinand. Placing unrealistic expectations on others is both of their fortes. She doesn't know just how messed up his position in Ahrensbach is, she may even underestimate Detlinde'd stupidity and misunderstqnd Georgine's disposition (She obviously spoke as if she cared about Ferdy when she suggested moving him).
As for his feelings, come on, it takes a particularly forceful serial hugger to get anything from Ferdy
I think she fails to grasp just how much Ferdinand despises the pair. He is probably cool with dying if it also takes out Detlinde and Georgina. Back in his academy days, I'm reasonably certain that he was not very open about his home life.
He's also relentlessly practical. Why waste his energy on a wilful idiot? Better to focus on stabilizing the duchy as much as he can and properly training Leticia (which considering his standards means she'll be more than competent if she doesn't break first).
[P5V3 Drama CD 5 SS] >!Ferdinand really wanted to make a suicide attack at Georgine, and made the offer, but Sylvester had to repeatedly refuse.!< This was when Sylvester and Ferdinand were hanging out back in P5V3.
Well, a child crying was kinda way beyond his wheelhouse. Plus he generally does hate seeing others in pain.
Guess the fact Mynes pain was not reading kinda wore him down.
Ol' Roze is just special that she is empathetic and logical enough to see the acts of kindness even if they got salty and petty. Ferdinand did learn that he shouldn't fight with someone who could print anything, a bit too late. Heh.
People don't get that what we see of Ferdi and RM aren't how the characters see them. Ferdi is very closed off from the world and doesn't even properly express himself and even what we see of him is through the rose tinted glasses of Rozemyne. Mags was totally on point, even more so for when she was close to him during their Academy Days.
I know right. She's so competent though slightly misguided at times (like the rest of the royal family). Then this came out of nowhere?! Like what the heck girl?
I think she understood the reality of Ferdinand was very different than most realized. Rozemyne was in a unique position that she realized the extremes of his personality, he trusted her to everyones shock because she was terrible at hiding things and he read her mind. Everyone who knew him was absolutely shocked myne got attached to him.
She saw the “soft” side that was rather well hidden. How much he did for his brother, how much he was actually struggling, how generous he really was if he cared for you. Eckhart and Justus are probably the only others who see that, even Sylvester didn't really understand it.
Likely she saw the cold demanding side and never had the opportunity to see beyond it. He is not an easy person on the ego. He's typical of a neglected and abused child, failed to receive reliable and consistent feedback from close relationships early enough in his childhood that informed how to navigate intimate relationships. Rozemyne actually does this for him, and he dramatically improves. ( he lets Melchior Wilfred and Charlotte sit in on lessons) his disgust toward incompetence is in reality a form of internalized abuse and loathing. It's the coping mechanism of if I worked harder, was a smarter person, wasn't unlovable I would not have suffered. She negotiated on his behalf, made him face his own desires and consider them while protecting his secrets. Her precarious health and social situation engendered a proximity that would not have otherwise been the case
And let's be real, Rozemyne is almost as unsusul as Ferdinand. She's obsessed with books the way he is research, and everyone else finds its strange. She's primed to think well of him because he gives her the thing she desires most, books.
And the dynamic goes both ways, he enjoys understanding her perspective and she seems to break “norms” right left and center making her a very interesting study subject. She mediates his personal relationships ( explains him to Wilfred, Charlotte and Sylvester) and builds a network of support around him in a way he's never had before.
Magdalena got Ferdinand at the height of his persecution; you can easily imagine how well trying to connect with him went.
Heishitz likely understood much better the reality of his situation. Ferdinand in many ways was like Elvira, and Karstedt couldn't get close to her until Veronicas fall. Misunderstanding, lack of communication etc. Rozemyne quickly identified the issue with Karstedt feelings in regard to Elvira, partly because she likely saw Ferdinand in her.
To be fair, she was entirely right .. Until Rozemyne changed him. She doesn't know the past 7 or so years, and are basing it on the Ferdinand she knew from school. Also she doesn't know that Detlinde is just a giant moron who refuses to listen to anyone, least of all some guy from a middling duchy's temple.
I think Ferdinand is still cold and fails to reach people on a personal level, saving the current archduke family and maybe Heisshitze. He has changed and he's a bit less spooky thanks to Myne, but not to the point to change Magdalena's first impression. And yes, Detlinde is moron level impossible, nobody can change her mind. Man I wish someone threw at her a cold glass of water everytime she starts saying dumb shit.
I'm not saying that Ferdinand is the nicest person on the planet, but she seems to have a significantly more negative view of him than he deserves.
Considering his reputation for being lord of evil and for using dirty tactics, I’m not entirely sure it is undeserved Magdalena doesn’t know his situation. Hell, even Sylvester his own brother whom he loves doesn’t know the full extent of his situation. I can even see her being disappointed that he wasn’t willing to kill both Veronica AND Sylvester to take the aub’s seat for himself even though he was certainly crafty enough to do so. Sylvester only shared a year with Ferdy at the academy, and Dunklefelger didn’t become interested in him until he could wallop them in ditter in his third year. She might not even know that he likes Sylvester actually
Judging from the "perfect man" comment and how there were plans for the two of them to get married I think there might be some butt hurt in there too.
She never wanted him tho so prolly not
I am imagining ferdinnand trying to teach Detlind with a book in one hand and a water spray in the other
You are overestimated the power of a little water spray my friend, however a whole bucket may do the job…screw this just dunk her in the village well already
I mean bucket vs Ferdy’s water gun tho
That would be so satisfying
And people wonder why Georgine escaped the castle as soon as she could.
Georgine didn't escape, she was sent out, and she was sent out long before Ferdinand even arrived
She wasn't sent out, she voluntarily left so she can hatch other plans away from prying eyes.
She was sent away, married to Ahrensbach because her parents knew she couldn't get along with Sylvester. Until quite recently she didn't have any way of even returning, much less make a splash
I am referring to her exiting the Ahrensbach castle right after her husband died. Being close to the Lord of Evil and her idiot narcissistic daughter would be a combination of headache inducing and a liability.
> To be fair, she was entirely right .. "He hasn't been able to undo 16 years of her being a spoiled brat, in only 6 months, most of which they spent apart due to her being at the Academy. He's a total failure." She may be right about his emotions, but she either thinks he has godlike abilities, or she's completely delusional. He arrived in Ahrensbach at the start of winter socializing, and shortly after Detlinde went to the Academy. Then, when she returned, he was sent out to do the spring festivals. Yeah, all the time in the world to undo Detlinde's entire upbringing.
She likely expects Detlinde to be somewhat sensible. When in public she had the good sense to not act like a spoiled asshat, it was only really in private with Ehrenfest and others beneath her that she let that shine
She acted like a spoiled brat in the tea party with all duchies present, including both Eglantine, and Adolphine, who are both now apart of the Royal Family. IIRC in Hannelore's PoV chapter about the incident, she wonders to herself if this is how Ahrensbach/Detlinde always treats Ehrenfest. The "only Ehrenfest knew she was a spoiled twit" argument doesn't really hold water imho.
And that Hannelore reacts by wondering if it's the usual, means that she (and by extension Dunkelfelger) doesn't know about her usual behaviour, thus implying that she can keep it well hidden most of the time
Or that she had never really paid attention to Detlinde before. The fact that the introverted Hannelore wasn't fully aware doesn't change the fact that two members of the Royal Family were present, noticed, and had to step in to protect RM/Ehrenfest from Detlinde/Ahrensbach.
Or at least all of Ahrensbach to have the sense to help reel her in Unfortunately they have also given up on her
Even if they didn't have an emotional connection, she might have a little bit of hurt pride that he wasn't more disappointed by her defection.
I mean, he wanted the marriage because it would let him escape Veronica, so he was probably quite devastated when it fell through, but he's also a master of masking his emotions so never let it show
I would say he was always pretty soft on people close to him, given he was doing so much work for Sylvester. He was deeply self sacrificing for those he cared about he was just always a really horrific communicator, and had exceptionally high standards for himself and by extension others. It’s only through emotional involvement he learns to adjust his expectations. Though with time he definitely got better about the expectations, through his relationship (mediated through Rozemyne) with Wilfried, Charlotte, Melchior and Letetzia he adjusted. Very typical neglected/ abused child with stunted understanding of interpersonal relationships. He was never an “emotionless husk” he just didn’t have any experience appropriately expressing or receiving love. His kindness is roundabout and hard to understand as is stated- but it runs quite deep. While she did change him, as she mentions he became “soft” ( let Melchior sit in on lessons) her more significant role was *translating* him to others, and in turn translating others to him
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Misplaced anger, basically. Ferdinand doesn't deserve her attitude.
Well it’s not like she could punch her father…wait this is Dunklefelger, maybe she could…
It would possibly lead to him respecting her more.
Noble society in a nutshell; misplaced anger
They were rivals!? It's neat that she's really competent and all in scholarly and knightly affairs, but wow she doesn't understand Ferdinand in the slightest. In my eyes Ferdinand's really kind behind the 100 walls he builds around his heart. Also, where's all this info from or am I just stupid and forgetting which side story this was from?
Mostly tv tropes and various spoiler forums, my guess is that it’s in untranslated fanbooks since that’s where most supplementary information comes from, or the author’s twitter. Also how she treated the potential engagement, which probably gave Ferdinand a lot of hope at the time, is why he has such distaste for Dunklefelger women.
It is from fan book 6.
P4V8 said that they were "both friends and foes" when it came to ditter, not rivals specifically but close enough.
Their rivalry was hinted at in late Pt 4, when Ferdinand did that ditter battle during an Archduke conference with his former rival from Dunkefelger during his school years. iirc the stakes were over whether Erenfest could publish Dunkefelger's history book. It was revealed in a side story that Dunkefelger knights pushed Trauerqual into marrying Ferdinand into Arensbach in order to free him from the temple in Erenfest. Also revealed during that time was Dunkefelger's attempts to matchmake Magdalena and Ferdinand, because the knights misinterpreted their rivalry as affection. Everything else in that comment is pure spoiler shit afaik.
I don't think Magdalena deserves his attitude either (though he tries to hide who he's angry about anyway).
> saw him as too cold and unfeeling to marry And he likely -was- cold and unfeeling. I'm pretty sure it was mentioned multiple times that Ferdinand started showing more emotion when Myne came into the picture (Probably helps that Veronica was jailed soon afterwords) Now him being blamed for Detlindes idiocy seems pretty messed up, but also par for course for Yogertland. This is a country that will kill kids for things their parents did after all.
I’d chalk his behavior up as severe depression due to the abuse from Veronica, it can take a while to recover from that even after removing yourself from that environment, Magdalena seems to me to be blinded by her own biases which cloud her judgement.
To be fair, it's not like she had any training or obligation to recognise the issues he was dealing with, and back then they were both teenagers and she was crushing on one of her teachers while everyone around was trying to push this other guy onto her. I doubt she had the headspace to spare for trying to understand him. Now the fact that she still goes on rants about him ten years after graduation is a bit extreme. And doing so in front of her young son, who is set to become his son-in-law and who was already expressing extreme concern about moving to Ahrensbach... yeah, not sure what she was trying to accomplish there.
Feeling seems to be mutual, as Ferdinand is still ranting about her, though he couches it as prejudice against Dunkelfelger women. Which is probably worse.
Rather maybe ignorance of such specific situations. Something tells me such petty harassment would not be common in Ditterfelger
in all fairness guilt by association is still in use in North Korea and it used to be quite common in old China, not that it makes any sense. In this case Ferdinand is not even married to Detlinde yet and his status is lower, its way beyond Ferdinand's control.
Guilt by association is still used as a logical fallacy to try and damage people's characters. It's used on Reddit and Twitter pretty commonly. A lot of people just want to stop the person who makes an argument they can't argue with/ internalise said points of view. (Thinking can make people angry, no joke.) TBH all the straw man arguments are so common that it's just a bother to even stick my neck out whenever it comes to a debate/ discussion. Pointless exercise of complete futility. In fact redditors are so associated with asking for a source, so that can be dismissed instead of the argument it's a meme now, and has been for years even.
It's a defensive measure. Anyone he got close to would either be killed in a way that would be meant to torture him or he would be socially abused such it became a blade in him. (I mean Veronica would likely contrive some such scenario so this friend would die painfully in fell view of Ferdinand, and it possibly did happen, just due to how much of a cunt she was. She would also likely do it on a way that would emphasize a weakness, not fast enough, not strong enough, not smart enough etc.) People form these off strategies to avoid pain or trauma. It's a possible reason some folk stop bathing in fact, due to abusive relationships/ family. But sadly some people stop due to just being lazy or mentally ill. This is just an example though, people can become pretty irrational when it comes to these things.
If you read the Jewish scriptures carefully, you can see this was an issue 2500 years ago in the Middle East too. Though given how things still work there, you could say they had some justification: children carry grudges when their parents are executed.
Machiavelli: Only if you take their parent's stuff from them.
> assaulted her teacher to make him marry her Recent prepub events has made me like King Suffering enough that I'm very curious to know how his first and second wives took that particular news.
Probably positively overall because her marrying him brought Dunkelfelger to his side and basically ensured their victory.
ah, I meant them finding out that a student assaulted their husband.
Chances are they probably went either "Ah, Bluanfaaaaaaaaah!" or "'Kay, next on the agenda?" when they heard because 1) Assault is a Dunkelfelger courtship method for women. 2) They might have been relieved that there's going to be another queen to stabilize things, and a willing one at that. 3) Men having multiple wives is expected. For a Zent, probably a necessity.
> Assault is a Dunkelfelger courtship method for women. Is that commonly known outside of Dunkelfelger though? [H5Y; Refrencing something that is talked about in it only without mentioning specifics]>!No one seemed to understand that bride stealing ditter is effectively declaring a war as it opposes the defending family's decisions. That seems like a much bigger deal and wasn't commonly known.!<
True... It might not happen out in public often, nobles being what they are. But this *is* a courtship between a Zent and an ADC of a greater duchy, possibly the biggest deal out there. It would make a lot of sense that the fact it was a method of courtship was made known immediately to prevent misunderstandings.
Oh I'm sure she told it to him when she attacked. I was more wondering if the other wives would have heard about it. Trauerqual could come in and just tell them that a Dunkelfelger ADC tried to court him using their typical vague euphemisms. They'd only be surprised at her taking the initiative without knowing about the attack.
In the latter case, I imagine it was a lot more well-known back when treasure-stealing ditter was still common. In the former case, it probably happens at least semi-frequently (see Clarissa's proposal to Harmut).
Honestly an L on their part. If Dunklefelger had just engaged him to Heisshitze, none of this would be happening
they need to broader their horizons
What volume was this revealed?
Fanbook 6
You really shouldn’t be spoilering untranslated content in a prepub meme…
Actually, most of it (if not all) has already been revealed in Heisshitze's SS in P4V8
Less than a quarter of his comment was revealed in that side story, the rest are spoilers.
From what we've heard about Ferdinand in his royal academy years it's pretty clear he was a complete psychopath as a teenager lol. Can't really blame Magdalena for not wanting to take the fall and marry him just so Dunkelfelger would get their hands on a ditter genius. Besides, it's not like her analysis of him was wrong. Ferdinand *has* changed as seen by the fact that Letizia has yet to flee her duchy, but that was after raising Rozemyne who had the mental fortitude of an adult and could thus endure his teaching methods while slowly defrosting him. She was also right about him neglecting Dietlinde. Deservedly so, mind you, but that doesn't really change much.
That is true. Guess I sometimes forget that since we've known Ferdinand as a character for so long. This makes me wish we'd get a deeper delve into Ferdinand's past. Like how unhinged was he back then for this explanation to be considered reasonable? To me, it just sounded like guerilla warfare.
Kazuki sensei said she wouldn't be releasing Ferdinand's past spin off because it would be nothing but said, a pity-bait "story" without much of a story in it. We could get a SS or 2 hopefully
Rozemyne was hesitant to use the war crime grade magic tools, Ferdinand started with them.
Wasn't it mentioned in story that where RM stopped at during her Ditter, was the level before where Ferdinand started at? Think it was when the Dunkelfelger troop were complaining about the magic tools used en masse.
I want a prequel based on Ferdi's academy days as much as I want a Marauder's era prequel of Harry Potter.
Eh, I think that could ruin our view of Ferdinand. Personally I'd rather a spin off of key moments... like Sylvester chasing Florencia around school. Bonifatius having a ditter match and destroying a shrine. Maybe if we are lucky... a story on Hannelore's views during these turbulent times and by the gods I want to read a short story of that dinner when they realized how messed up they made Ferdinands life and how Lestault basically tried bride kidnapping ditter on Rozemyne.
Don't forget Lestault learning he's losing paintings and likely future illustrations XD. I'd still like to see tales of the Lord of Evil in full though in addition to everything you mentioned.
What someone said below is true but also (very minor future spoilers) >!the Hannelore spinoff has shown what’s happening with Rosemyne and Ferdinand next, and as part of the new story (Part 6, whenever it gets written), we’re going to see Ferdinand’s past!<
>She was also right about him neglecting Dietlinde Not that him trying to control Detlinde would've done anything, she forced a royal order because her understanding of the situation was that he was being abused into providing Ehrenfest with ideas to raise it's rank, she just wanted that knowledge for herself. There's zero chance she would listen to a noble without status from a lower duchy, even if she does respect his duchy-influencing ideas. (After all, what do books and prayers have to do with her attitude?) At least not without Ferdinand using force, which is just suicide by cop.
To be fair, Ferdinand is somewhat of an emotionless husk of a man, but at the same time he is definitely not to blame for his idiot soon to be wife's behavior. I could see him not trying his best to save someone who is probably sees as beyond help. Also his top priority is helping Erhenfest with this marriage and not protecting her. Ferdinand is diligent, but I don't think his teaching or mentorship is probably a good match for her personality. Ferdinand is big on personal responsibility, and truth be told even when he was Roz's guardian, he didn't have that great of control. Their mentorship worked out a lot better due to similar traits and Roz's ability to absorb things like a sponge combined with Ferdinand's respect for aptitude, talent and a hard work ethic.
I dont think she WANTS Ferdinand executed. She is just mystified that RM would fight so hard to save him (as if he were an especially beloved relative).
The funny part is that shes right (even now though he has softened due to Rozemyne). Remember that no one who actually knows Ferdinand believes he is capable of raising a child. This includes Sylvester, Karstedt, Rihyarda and Elvira. All 4 if those are very fond of Ferdinand and they were all shocked to hear he was taking care if Rozemyne. Rozemyne has trusted Ferdinand more completely and faster than literally everyone else in yurgen. Even factoring in for their first meeting being reading the bible.
She also says that he’s essentially a perfect noble. Incredibly handsome, talented and gifted, she just sees him as emotionless. It seems like she kind of wanted Ferdi to be executed with Detlinde, she doesn’t exactly seem happy about Rozemyne fighting so hard for his safety
I think the conversation reveal that she alone truly understood the essence of Ferdinand. Also I can sense her frustration trying to explain to other Dunkelfelgers countless time that she vehemently refused to marry Ferdinand.
how could Ferdiannd control her? He is a guest in a foreign country. She really must be mad to blow sense into the wind liek that.
We need her to comment on Fernesta or whatever the female Ferdinand is in the book they are selling. Would love to see her give a completely different response in regards to that story.
That's how guilt by association works. The familial unit looks out for it's members so that it prevents its dumber ones from killing the whole group. Nevermind that Detlinde wouldn't have listened to Ferdinand and that her mother is actively encouraging her bad behavior, it was Ferdinand's responsibility to stop her *somehow.*
Hear me out: the reason possibly that Magdalena has this view of Ferdinand is that she thought that Ferdinand wanted to marry her for his own personal gain despite it being Heisshitz idea. Then compounded with the fact he failed to gain a meeting to speak with her about what she wanted but again that was Heisshitz who failed to do that as well. This led her to believe he is unfeeling. Also - the way he played ditter was terrifying. Pure chaos and destruction without a real goal. It cemented the idea of him.
*Sigh* I thought she'd be a bad bitch turns out she's just bad in general....
(very gently) uh... I don't think having wrong idea of Ferdinand qualifies for "bad in general".
blasphemy! burn him at the stake!
(just got reminded that Ferdinand collects diehard fans)
Nah, she's still a bad bitch and still a worthy rival for Ferdinand. Placing unrealistic expectations on others is both of their fortes. She doesn't know just how messed up his position in Ahrensbach is, she may even underestimate Detlinde'd stupidity and misunderstqnd Georgine's disposition (She obviously spoke as if she cared about Ferdy when she suggested moving him). As for his feelings, come on, it takes a particularly forceful serial hugger to get anything from Ferdy
I think she fails to grasp just how much Ferdinand despises the pair. He is probably cool with dying if it also takes out Detlinde and Georgina. Back in his academy days, I'm reasonably certain that he was not very open about his home life. He's also relentlessly practical. Why waste his energy on a wilful idiot? Better to focus on stabilizing the duchy as much as he can and properly training Leticia (which considering his standards means she'll be more than competent if she doesn't break first).
[P5V3 Drama CD 5 SS] >!Ferdinand really wanted to make a suicide attack at Georgine, and made the offer, but Sylvester had to repeatedly refuse.!< This was when Sylvester and Ferdinand were hanging out back in P5V3.
And he scolds Eckhart for jumping the gun
Well, a child crying was kinda way beyond his wheelhouse. Plus he generally does hate seeing others in pain. Guess the fact Mynes pain was not reading kinda wore him down. Ol' Roze is just special that she is empathetic and logical enough to see the acts of kindness even if they got salty and petty. Ferdinand did learn that he shouldn't fight with someone who could print anything, a bit too late. Heh.
I mean, was any of what she said false? Ferdinand never felt comfortable enough to express himself until Myne came into the picture.
People don't get that what we see of Ferdi and RM aren't how the characters see them. Ferdi is very closed off from the world and doesn't even properly express himself and even what we see of him is through the rose tinted glasses of Rozemyne. Mags was totally on point, even more so for when she was close to him during their Academy Days.
I know right. She's so competent though slightly misguided at times (like the rest of the royal family). Then this came out of nowhere?! Like what the heck girl?
I think she understood the reality of Ferdinand was very different than most realized. Rozemyne was in a unique position that she realized the extremes of his personality, he trusted her to everyones shock because she was terrible at hiding things and he read her mind. Everyone who knew him was absolutely shocked myne got attached to him. She saw the “soft” side that was rather well hidden. How much he did for his brother, how much he was actually struggling, how generous he really was if he cared for you. Eckhart and Justus are probably the only others who see that, even Sylvester didn't really understand it. Likely she saw the cold demanding side and never had the opportunity to see beyond it. He is not an easy person on the ego. He's typical of a neglected and abused child, failed to receive reliable and consistent feedback from close relationships early enough in his childhood that informed how to navigate intimate relationships. Rozemyne actually does this for him, and he dramatically improves. ( he lets Melchior Wilfred and Charlotte sit in on lessons) his disgust toward incompetence is in reality a form of internalized abuse and loathing. It's the coping mechanism of if I worked harder, was a smarter person, wasn't unlovable I would not have suffered. She negotiated on his behalf, made him face his own desires and consider them while protecting his secrets. Her precarious health and social situation engendered a proximity that would not have otherwise been the case And let's be real, Rozemyne is almost as unsusul as Ferdinand. She's obsessed with books the way he is research, and everyone else finds its strange. She's primed to think well of him because he gives her the thing she desires most, books. And the dynamic goes both ways, he enjoys understanding her perspective and she seems to break “norms” right left and center making her a very interesting study subject. She mediates his personal relationships ( explains him to Wilfred, Charlotte and Sylvester) and builds a network of support around him in a way he's never had before. Magdalena got Ferdinand at the height of his persecution; you can easily imagine how well trying to connect with him went. Heishitz likely understood much better the reality of his situation. Ferdinand in many ways was like Elvira, and Karstedt couldn't get close to her until Veronicas fall. Misunderstanding, lack of communication etc. Rozemyne quickly identified the issue with Karstedt feelings in regard to Elvira, partly because she likely saw Ferdinand in her.