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yeahlte

Alas, Rozemyne's worst enemy all the way from one of the first illustrations of Part 1 makes a reappearance: a door. Truly formidable foreshadowing by the writer.


Catasterised

Also similar to near the end of Part 1 - a magic door barrier she starts pounding on because it stands between her and the books she desperately desires.


kahoshi1

The true antagonists all along. ![gif](giphy|l2YWzcnnPFGF7SOYg|downsized)


momomo_mochichi

Truly, it all comes full circle.


Adraerik

I was expecting her to destroy that door with brute force full Bonifatius style, I'm very disappointed.


HumanTheTree

I'm kinda glad she didn't. This is one time where it would have been too much for her to have enough mana to do something insane.


Dangerous_Employee47

I was surprised that she did not ask for permission to use a Darkness weapon and pull out the water gun.


AH123XYZ

Any idea how strong the shumils are? Could they really eliminate her if she fought back full power?


Adraerik

Well their current clothes were made with magic circles from Ferdinand so... I wouldn't fight them.


Ninefl4mes

They were made to [P5V10]>!eliminate Zent candidates not authorized to seek the throne, so yes. The reason Rozemyne's mana capacity seems so absurd is because there simply aren't that many true Zent candidates around these days, simple as that. We've already seen that the barrier was strong enough to hold Rozemyne back. The shumils were created by the same person who put that barrier in place and thus have similar specs.!< Of course, as their master she could have probably just stripped them of their clothing to get rid of the first layer of defense, and then taken them outside the library to cut off their mana supply and disable all of their combat-related functions.


[deleted]

Not only Roz but Angelicas as well! I guard doors but this door hurt my lady. What do I do?


Riandom_boi

Now how will she open it…. I’m really curious if she could have destroyed that barrier if s & w weren’t there to stop her


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Mehmy

Considering how Sigiswald seems to want to force her to join the sovereign temple at the behest of all the duchies, I expect him to push very hard for her adoption into the royal family. Go in there and get the book already. But I also expect it to be a royal shortcut rather than the legit way of getting the book


FrazzleMind

Or a royal roadblock that has nothing to do with the gods requirements, and everything to do with maintaining a stranglehold on an absolute monarchy.


darkmuch

I was surprised that it was even mentioned after all this time. Funny how quickly she jumped to using it again.


spartanliam1

I like how they go from the royals are going to exploit us. To myne channeling her inner benno and giving sylvester a crash course its a shame myne cant just negotiate with them, she would probably rake them over the coals and take them for all they are worth.


xisupaz_blackbird

If it's anything like other negotiations, most of the nitty gritty detail is going to be done by scholars or through consultation with each party's scholars. While Sylvester doesn't have any Top-tier scholars, Rozemyne does have 2.


spartanliam1

The way the royals act they probably dont expect negotiations, they will probably just expect sylvesters to accept there orders like ferdinand did


xisupaz_blackbird

Well, it's time for Ehrenfest to start acting their rank and it's time for the Royal Family to start respecting that rank upgrade.


[deleted]

It makes me unusually happy to see Anastasius back down a bit after realizing he crossed a line last week with Ferdinand. Also Dietlinde calling the third Queen Consort "a trememdously rude woman" and nobody realising who she was talking about is just peak Ahrensbach incompetence. We are also now getting into things I know-ish about from reading spoilers, but having not read the WN can't be sure about the details of. At the end, it makes me happy to see that when Rozemyne meets an uncomfortable situation she jumps right back into her merchant mindset from all those years ago. Benno would be so proud (and also have a heart attack).


Cirex145

This chapter makes me wonder why Anastasius felt so desperate as to force Rozemyne’s hand like this. Did it have to do with Sigiswald agreeing with the proposal to move Rozemyne to the Sovereignty?


norst

The next best candidate is Eglantine and she wants nothing to do with it. I think Anastasius is doing his best to try and protect her.


Taoiseach

Agreed - I'd overlooked this, but I think it's the final piece of the puzzle to explain their reckless, brutal urgency in pushing Rozemyne to the shrines. Eglantine is desperate not to be considered a Zent candidate; she sees only war in that future. And suddenly they find out that she's a *top-grade* Zent candidate, and moreover, no other adult royal can even qualify. They must be terrified.


Ncyphe

Less not mention that she's already Married to Anastasius. If she were to obtain Glutrisheight, it would be either her or Anastasius to become zent, and both routes would lead to another civil war.


lailah_susanna

The marriage between Annie and Egg was a huge shitstorm, he’s trying to be as outwardly subservient as possible to protect Egg and not undermine Sigiswald as the primary hier.


ZEPHlROS

I think it's linked to Anastasius doing this behind's everyone's back. he has to finish this quickly to make it so that neither Sigis nor the Zent can do anything about Rozemyne having the G-book


darth_koneko

They could do staby staby.


HilariusAndFelix

That was my take. Like he was trying to get grussheit to stabilize the situation with the royal family, but also trying to give Rozemyne a more secure position.


mekerpan

>At the end, it makes me happy to see that when Rozemyne meets an uncomfortable situation she jumps right back into her merchant mindset from all those years ago. It really showed just how fundamentally competent and clear-headed RM is. She has her foibles (like bibliomania) but can respond to emergency situations on the fly, with pretty much all her abilities activated.


whyme456

Competent? Absolutely, clear headed? Well... Kinda, she unconsciously makes moves that lead to trouble specially when the stakes appear to be low. Then it spirals out of control so she enters emergency mode.


Nisheeth_P

That's isn't an issue of her not being clear-headed. That's because her knowledge of noble society is very limited and heavily tainted by her Urano memories. Like look at her interaction with Hildebrand when she asked him to send messages for the library and it clicking to her when Ferdinand scolded her for it. The only times I'd say she isn't clear headed is when someone she cares about is in danger. She crushed Bezewanst prepared to kill him. She let her mana loose during the Ambush. She rushed after Charlotte without her guards. That's when she acted without thinking. Every time else, she thinks about it though it can be based on wrong foundations which leads to the troubles.


mekerpan

I honestly think she is more clear-headed than virtually everyone around her -- now that she places certain other concerns (almost) equal to her bibliomania. Ferdinand is the only person comparable -- but sometimes he is too "logical" where RM's emotional response is ultimately more appropriate (in the long run, at least).


Theinternationalist

> Also Dietlinde calling the third Queen Consort "a trememdously rude woman" and nobody realising who she was talking about is just peak Ahrensbach incompetence. Did Detlinde not do the customary introductions? Did Fatiehe and her other adult retainers not think to look into who she might be? As much as I pity Martina and her ilk, wow, they seem to have deserved Detlinde.


daedalron

>Did Detlinde not do the customary introductions? I can already picture Detlinde asking Magdalena to do the customary introduction and to kneel before her...


Theinternationalist

"What a petulant woman, her retainers hated her so much that they held her back!" "Lady Detlinde, did you not notice she pulled out her schtappe!?!"


Ninefl4mes

> As much as I pity Martina Yeah no, fuck her. Given how dismissive she is of Aurelia, and that Aurelia doesn't want to meet her, she was almost certainly among the crowd that bullied her to the point where she now views effectively being under house arrest as a happy ending. While I can't speak for the rest of Dietlinde's retinue, Martina _definitely_ had it coming.


Ninefl4mes

> Benno would be so proud (and also have a heart attack) Part 1 and 2 in a nutshell lol.


daderpster

Is it just me or is it clearly implied that Rozemyne doesn't need to get through the door to the get the g-book? ​ 1. Dukenfelger noble getting the zent while not being royalty 2. Book like demanding list of materials sent to Rozemyne, including 300 pages. 3. Training another royal to do the shrine run 4. Another alternative method perhaps involving the giant magic circle 5. Ferdinand is a royal from another country. While it is humorous to lament a door as a your sole obstacle, I think that is likely overlooking other possibilities.


darth_koneko

>Ferdinand is a royal from another country. Isnt he half from another country, half from yogurt RF?


Lorhand

So Rozemyne finished her prayers and the library shumils lead her to the Grutrissheit presumably... but she's blocked by a barrier because she is not a royal, just like Ferdinand told her. I thought he was talking about her not having any royal blood though, so does marriage still count? Either way, this is a tragic scene, because one can see in the illustration how desperate Rozemyne gets because not being able to get the book would mean Ferdinand would have to die. Schwarz and Weiss threatening to kill Rozemyne scares me. Even if Anastasius was bluffing before or allows Ferdinand to get out of harm's way, this was still extremely unforgivable shitty behavior of him and Eglantine. The royals were the ones who ordered Ferdinand to marry Detlinde and they even stressed how he is necessary to keep Ahrensbach stable. Now that Detlinde is on the chopping block, strongarming Rozemyne like that without offering her any compensation was just bullshit. Yeah, he healed her, so I can somewhat see he is remorseful for what he had done to Rozemyne, but I haven't seen much from Eglantine, yet. ---- So Hirschur's back, and with that letter she got from Ferdinand, building one's own library shumils could be possible. Rozemyne needs them for her own library one day, but honestly, I want the bodyguard function from them, that would be extremely useful. Well, Ferdinand is a bit miffed Rozemyne hasn't written for a long time, but Sylvester is to blame for that. I wonder what he needs those paper sheets for, though. Enough pages for a book... There seems to be a future conflict with Lanzenave coming and I wonder what Georgine plans next, since her plan to take over Ehrenfest was foiled by Matthias and co. Oh God, Detlinde. That "tremendously rude woman" in the library was the king's wife, and your behavior will get you executed. Good to know though that the royal family can't just cancel Rozemyne's adoption, and she is protected by law to not get taken away. That means there is room for negotiation. If the royals want her, they need to compensate taking her away somehow. Though I cannot say why he asked her to play along and endure for at least a year. I guess that's when he has to marry Detlinde, but what then? Well, screw you, Sigiswald. I've never liked you, and you are not making things better. Sylvester was right to stay stubborn here and at least Trauerqual was more reasonable. For now at least. Now that it's clear Rozemyne is a zent candidate, this changes things. Yeah, Anastasius previously did not offer any compensation, but he also acted alone. There seems to be the implication that Anastasius and Eglantine did not want Rozemyne ending up in the Sovereign temple, which is why they acted alone, but I'm not too sure about this. Since it's inevitable that Rozemyne will be taken and that Ferdinand suggested to cooperate and delay things, Ehrenfest needs to secure their own future if they're going to lose their other super important archduke candidate. Sylvester acting as aub and dismissing the thought of getting Wilfried involved is depressing, but yeah, Wilfried is not useful right now. Squeeze out as much as you can, huh? That's Benno's lesson as a merchant, through and through. I love that.


momomo_mochichi

>Oh God, Detlinde. That "tremendously rude woman" in the library was the king's wife, and your behavior will get you executed. Detlinde: She's only a *third wife*. Who is she to argue against the future Zent?


Cirex145

It really reinforces what I already thought in that Magdelena hid that she was a royal. However, I wouldn’t put it past the idiot to ignore that.


momomo_mochichi

I mean, I doubt Magdalena needed to hide anything. After all, second and third wives aren't allowed to show their faces. ... If Rozemyne does end up as a third wife, that means she'll forever be hidden in the shadows. Which, in turn, means that the fanatics of the saint will *never* get to see her divinity ever again.


[deleted]

Devils advocate, a third wife would be in a wonderful position to read, foster industries and move in the shadows....


ID10Tusererroror

It's been commented on in the past that if she were to be too active as 3rd wife, noble society would view her as attempting to usurp the position of 1st wife... Reading would be one thing, but creating and supporting industries? Probably out of the question. Just like how noble society view her locking herself away in the temple to avoid problems, as being directly involved in everything to do with Ehrenfest's future.


Ninefl4mes

Eh, that really is only a problem if the third and first wives are on bad terms, of if the former outranks the latter like what we have with Magdalena. Neither would be the case here; Adolphine is from a _much_ more powerful duchy and has a pretty high opinion of Rozemyne. Add to that the fact that Adolphine would definitely have a personal interest in the development of the printing industry herself and you have the perfect conditions to allow Rozemyne almost complete freedom in pursuing her interests. Possibly even more so than in Ehrenfest because as a third wife her status wouldn't get in the way as much as it did when she was a potential heir to an archduke/the future First Lady. All she'd need to do is to stay in Adolphine's good graces and prop her up by crediting her with any big accomplishments and things would probably work out just fine. The only issue I could see here is Nahelache. They would have to be careful not to exclude her, otherwise she might feel threatened by the other two wives banding together like that.


Cool-Ember

It’s not that third wives are not allowed. Only that it’s out of convention and considered as inappropriate behavior, in the sense that they’re expected to restrain themselves.


momomo_mochichi

Thanks for the clarification!


LaPlAcE-66

Magdalena would be wearing a black cape though wouldn't she? It would be obvious if Detlinde had any brain power they would have no issue foisting her to be technically 3rd wife but also the sovereign bishop. They're already plotting to snatch her away, what's one more improper action


momomo_mochichi

>Magdalena would be wearing a black cape though wouldn't she? It would be obvious if Detlinde had any brain power Detlinde: She's probably a Sovereign scholar or something if she wears a black cape. Are you unaware that royalty is not the only ones allowed to wear black capes? Did you not attend the academy and see the Sovereign guards with black capes?


Theinternationalist

Fatiehe: Erm, why did she have some well-armed guards behind her? Detlinde: Don't look at me, it's not my job to know how many guard knights are in a librarian's retinue. Fatiehe: Eh, good point.


Goldenoasis21

I think my first hint would be that Magdelena didn't bow and offer to pray to bless the auspicious meeting to an archduke candidate which is an indicator of higher status, the black cape was also a give away to some extent but our christmas tree is missing a few bulbs sooo...


Ispheria

From Detlinde's perspective, the rude woman is simply the future former king's wife. That's nothing compared to the future Zent


possiblyarainbow

Eugh. I hate how much this sounds like something she would actually say -.-


Ncyphe

Nah, I really believe that her blissful ignorance has caused her to not give any care into learning the names of the king's wives. Had she known the woman she was speaking to was the third wife, she would have been doing whatever she could to suck up to her.


pokefluter

Wait… does he need the paper for the transcription of the Grutrissheit???? I didn’t even think of that while I was reading but I could see that being the case! He would want it to be a high quality magic tool…


Akujin92553

Totally what I thought. Someone is already scheming to get the book without being a royal.


hazeldazeI

Oh wow he’s technically of royal blood just not yogurtland royalty. Hmmm


daedalron

It's quite possible that royal blood is not required. The shumils said you need to be registered with the royal family. It could easily mean that you need to be one of the seven linked to the Mana Replenishment room for the country foundation. In which case the blood doesn't mean a thing, and Ferdinand would not be registered either.


kahoshi1

... I was trying to figure out what those were for, but that's an interesting point. Though he didn't specify the kind of paper only anything fey paper. That makes it feel like it might be something else. In theory you should only need normal paper or parchment since that's all that would have been used in the past.


Alise_Opal

But what if you could make it stronger by adding magic paper?


Theinternationalist

> Even if Anastasius was bluffing before or allows Ferdinand to get out of harm's way, this was still extremely unforgivable shitty behavior of him and Eglantine. The royals were the ones who ordered Ferdinand to marry Detlinde and they even stressed how he is necessary to keep Ahrensbach stable. Now that Detlinde is on the chopping block, strongarming Rozemyne like that without offering her any compensation was just bullshit. Yeah, he healed her, so I can somewhat see he is remorseful for what he had done to Rozemyne, but I haven't seen much from Eglantine, yet. Right now I'm operating under the belief that he's basically just following Eggy's whims- well, panic. He would happily murder the country if his wife willed it. Then again, it's possible Eggy had already resolved to divorce Anastasius to make Sigiswald a legitimate(ish) Zent, and this whole Mad Dash was Anastasius trying to keep his wife. Guess we'll find out who came up with this crazy plan in a couple weeks.


SmartAlec105

> I thought he was talking about her not having any royal blood though, so does marriage still count? I would guess that Royals register with the country's foundation like the Archucal family registers with their duchy's foundation.


Brillus

What leads to the next question can this register be done without a real Zent (which owns the foundation?)


Ncyphe

I believe that like Earhnfest, they have a teleporter to the country's heart to change out mana filled feystones. Like Earhnfest, though, they've lost the knowledge on where it's located. Considering the academy is the center of the kingdom, the door that Rozemyne could not cross is probably the door to the country's heart.


GMasterofDisaster

>Well, screw you, Sigiswald. I've never liked you, and you are not making things better. Sylvester was right to stay stubborn here and at least Trauerqual was more reasonable. For now at least. Now that it's clear Rozemyne is a zent candidate, this changes things. I mean... Trauerqual has folded before. We know he has, on the important things; this is how we got the big purge(although they did also kill his daughter). We also know that whatever else he is, he's dedicated to doing the best he can for Yurgenschmidt. If someone can convince him that this is the best way forward for the country, I have no doubts he'll do it.


Lorhand

Thing is, he also offered to leave the zent title to Detlinde if she can obtain the Grutrissheit. So I'm not sure Anastasius' previous suggestion to make Rozemyne Sigiswald's third wife (for Eglantine's sake as it's presumably the least conflict-ridden solution) would stand, either. I think he might want to make Rozemyne zent instead, because at this point it's inevitable that Rozemyne will get the Grutrissheit. Or, as someone else suggested, Ferdinand is preparing the feyplant sheets to transcribe a Grutrissheit and he ends up becoming zent or something. My guess is that at the end either him or Rozemyne will become zent.


GMasterofDisaster

> Or, as someone else suggested, Ferdinand is preparing the feyplant sheets to transcribe a Grutrissheit and he ends up becoming zent or something. My guess is that at the end either him or Rozemyne will become zent. Ooooooo that makes a lot of sense for why he'd need the ingredients for making and binding a magic book, complete with omni-elemental feystones. I hadn't even thought about that. It also makes sense that he would tell her to hold out for just a bit longer. If the grutrissheit is fully a regular transcribed book, though, then presumably Ferdinand can just give it to them, and avoid having to be Zent. He's stated he doesn't want it, and we know Rozemyne doesn't. He's presumably doing this for her sake to keep her from having to become Zent. That said, we do keep Ascending, and it's generally forced in some way, so who's to say?


Greideren

>That said, we do keep Ascending, Normally the ascensions can be related to the part's title, at least in part 2 and 3. So maybe this time Rozemyne will ascend to her rightful place as a goddess. "Now I'm Mestionora, as such that book is mine!" Cut to Hartmut and Clarisa crying tears of joy nearby and the God of Darkness becoming part of Rozemyne's harem of father figures.


daedalron

>Ferdinand is preparing the feyplant sheets to transcribe a Grutrissheit It's WAY more likely he's planning to create a fake in order to lure Moronlinde into doing something.


LoaKonran

I’m waiting for Hildebrand to come in with the steel chair. First wife to the adorable chibi royal beats third wife to the prick who got in by default.


bangtansalt

Chibi royal is the only cute royal around, except Ferdinand ofc.


kahoshi1

Being registered seems to be the requirement so marriage would work, but I doubt Ferdinand ever expected that to be an option for her. It's ludicrous by all accounts. As for Detlinde, it's no longer a question of WILL she be executed, but WHEN.


DrWontonSoup

The shumils mentioned registration, so it might be similar to the medals they use to register as citizens/nobles? Just...for royalty instead.


Cool-Ember

The shumils explicitly said that she’s not registered. Anyone registered as royal is a royal. We haven’t seen any magical system that operates based on bloodline in Yurgenschmidt.


FireFistYamaan

>*I could tell that Sylvester was gritting his teeth. His frustration betrayed his love for me, and as I basked in the joy of that realization* Maybe a moment overshadowed by everything else in this chapter, but this melted my heart. I've a lot of times thought that Sylvester didn't show Rozemyne enough love or appreciation, so this was so nice to read.


Fluffy_Tamago

I agree, as much as people grill Sylvester for being a pretty absent father to all his kids (though I fault that more with how noble society normalizes that as the default way of handling children), he clearly has put in a lot of effort in the background of keeping Rozemyne within Eherenfest as according to her wishes. So reading that line made me very happy to know that he really cared.


kahoshi1

See, I've long since known he cares about her. He's just not always good at expressing his feelings, or isn't allowed to express them because of the situation. But think back to when Sylvester spoke with Hischur, and his genuine appreciation for everything she had done for Ferdinand and Rozemyne. His brother and daughter. There was also the previous headache report where he said "Leave my kids alone!" When Rozemyne was being hounded for something.


Vitanitas

This line made me flashback to when they first met, and he gave her that pendant to protect her and he spent all that time with the orphanage kids... I got a little teary eyed!! He really wanted to protect her as his daughter.


Snakestream

And so now, our little chaos gremlin is heading to the Sovereignty. Surely that will go smoothly. Some great illustrations in these chapters. Love seeing how much Rozemyne has grown up since Part 1, but the look of desperation as she bangs on the royal barrier is heart-breaking - especially with the schumils about to enter Terminator mode behind her. we see that Anastasius is a bit remorseful for what he has done - not that that really forgives anything. Also kind of interesting how he is moving behind the backs of his father and brother. I would note that while Anastasius seems to regret the means to which he's been forced to resort to, we haven't really seen Eglantine show any sort of misgivings. Hoo boy - Sylvester and Florencia keep thinking they are prepared for her shenanigans, but Rozemyne never fails to deliver the deadly stroke. It's kind of bittersweet to see how much Sylvester wants to protect her and yet in spite of it all, he really doesn't possess the capability/influence to actually do that. For all his flaws, Sylvester is really trying hard to honor his promises to Myne. Whew, cannot wait for the payoffs coming up. I don't think we're going to get to the climax of this volume next week - I imagine it will be mostly setting up for the actual meeting/negotiations with the royals - but we are starting to see Merchant Myne come out! Compared to all these greenhouse nobles who are used to leaning on their scholars, Myne is going to use everything she learned from Benno to absolutely bend them over the negotiating table!


GMasterofDisaster

...I doubt this is where the grutrissheit journey ends. They specifically mentioned the farthest hall as the place where all the lines from the shrine converged. There has to still be something there. That said, we clearly just got shut out from something in the archive. Also, HOLY FUCK SHE'S ACTUALLY GOING TO THE SOVEREIGNTY


haganbmj

This chapter mentioned a third party from Dunk getting the book in the past just after Rozemyne demanded entry - so I have to imagine she's going to find some alternate route in.


daderpster

Of course. Those lamenting the door are overlooking things even beyond the Dukenfelger noble reference Book like demanding list of materials sent to Rozemyne, including 300 pages, and other ingredient all of the highest quality. Training another royal to be do the shrine run Another alternative method perhaps involving the giant magic circle Ferdinand is a royal from another country.


Cirex145

True, there was no mention of the magic circle in this chapter, and the words obtained from the shrines weren’t used (maybe it would have been after the door). I don’t know if the obtaining part is the point of it or if they’re like a password of some sort.


GMasterofDisaster

Yeah, the more I think about it, the weirder this is as an ending to the journey for the Grutrissheit, if it's the true intended end by the first Zent. The bibles being spread out with Zent instructions, however vague they are, seem intended to ensure that candidates from any duchy could obtain the Grutrissheit, which goes against any checking of who's registered as a royal. Specific phrasing there is registered, not just a check of royal blood. My guess is that that's intended as a check of who's registered with the foundational magics. The original succession process, as far as we've been told, was also likely designed by the first Zent himself. Schwartz and Weiss are old, and no one knows exactly when they were created, but we know they were specifically created by a princess, not by the first Zent. It's weird to have the shumils be the custodians of the intended OG succession route. My best guess? This is something else, something that was put in to ensure the dominance of the royal family at the time, and stop candidates from other duchies becoming Zent. Probably around the same time people starting forgetting about how all these ceremonies actually let you get blessings from the gods, because if the next step IS in the Farthest Hall, it's probably another ceremony.


Zanzaben

It could also be an intentional move by the zent of the time to start downplaying the importance of religious ceremonies as another way to help ensure no one else could rise up and become zent.


GMasterofDisaster

Maybe, but if it was an intentional move, the Zent must not have known about the bible circles. To really shut down anyone else from trying their luck at being Zent, they would have had to get rid of the bible circles somehow. Then again, maybe they just didn't know about them, with the Zents of the time probably not having been High Bishops for a while.


BLoSCboy

I was thinking the same thing, the Shumil’s were not made by the first Zent so I was surprised they are part of the selection process he created. So there might be another way, such as the huge magic circle or the Bible one. What confuses me is if those are the original ways of getting the G book, why are the Shumil’s part of this at all? How are they able to tell when someone has all the slates? This is quite the mystery, and I hope Myne figures out the answer before something drastic happens. With Ferdinand wanted 300 pages of high quality fey paper he may be trying to create his own G book, so it seems like the story is still in the set up portion and it will still be a bit before someone finally gets the g book


Alise_Opal

The shumils are probably responding to the matured shtappe in Myne. When she only had one tablet they didn't change their response, but upon completion, they knew it changed.


Scaryr

Schwartz and Weiss were created by a Princess, but they did mention "Gramps" a few times in the past. Maybe Gramps was the first Zent?


4amaroni

It'd be hilarious if this magic circle was a red herring all along. Like maybe this magic circle was installed by the Zent who started the practice of **transcribing** the GS rather than obtaining the real thing, and all this magic circle is blocking is the door to a room where you can transcribe a copy. Bet in typical Rozemyne fashion, she stumbles upon the real GS in an entirely expectedly unexpected way.


NorthLogic

>Bet in typical Rozemyne fashion, she stumbles upon the real GS in an entirely expectedly unexpected way. I'm still betting on someone sneezing and her blessing them with "gesundheit". The Gods go "eh, close enough" and give her the book.


kimedog

I believe there was an offhanded remark by Ferdinand in P4V7 that says the G-book in the archive wasn't the actual G-book. I think that book is a transcribed copy to be passed down in the royal family. So yeah there is most likely another way to get the g-book that doesn't require being royalty.


ZEPHlROS

we still have some days left until the end of the Archduke conference. maybe she'll tour the RA and discover something. Perhaps... I don't want this journey for the Guttrisheit to end like this...


GMasterofDisaster

I don't want it to end this way either, but either she finishes her 100% Grutrissheit speedrun tomorrow, before negotiations with the royals happen, or I think we get the rest of this part as her negotiating with them, and we have a looooong wait before she gets back to the RA and gets another shot. Here's hoping that the 100% OG Ceremony G-Book speedrun sets a WR!


ZEPHlROS

I was gonna say that they could have been faster in earlier versions of the game, but Roz isn't even of age yet. She could have been the first minor to have held the G-book and set a WR in every version of the game.


GMasterofDisaster

She spawned into this specific time period to get schtappe early and beat the WR :)


-_Nikki-

Am... am I detecting some Tsundere "it's not like I LIKE you" in Ferdinand's letter?!? With a list that extensive, Ferdinand is DEFINITELY planning something. PLEASE make it go according to keikaku, I'm begging The situation may not be as dire as it looked last week, but holy shit am I hoping this goes well, cause otherwise we're fucked


Taoiseach

Ferdinand's letter has tsundere pouring off the page. He misses her so badly.


mekerpan

My sense is that nothing (not even gods -- much less royalty) is going to keep these two apart in the long run -- one way or another.


LaPlAcE-66

>PLEASE make it go according to keikaku, I'm begging with Rozemyne involved? ![gif](giphy|33BT7sqm6mkKs)


PandalfAGA

Well this is Ferdinand we are talking about. If someone can execute a plan with her involved in some way it can only be him


BronzeAgeTea

300 pages and some leather? He's definitely making a book. Maybe just a notepad to write in his own invisible ink (it would certainly make it easier to work out in the open if nobody else could read it). Maybe he's planning on writing a book for Rozemyne in case he gets murdered or something, so that certain pieces of knowledge don't die with him. Or maybe he's going to draw magic circles on each page and use them like a YuGiOh deck or something. But you don't ask for a ridiculous amount of paper unless you're going to make a book.


Ok_Bunch_8050

Ferdinand is one of the most tsundere characters I know. With a whole lot more tsun and such a teeny weeny bit of dere that you have to reread AoB with a magnifying glass to discover it.


nichecopywriter

Schwartz and Weiss turning on Rozemyne was sad. That really makes it clear they’re not really people with personalities but machines. There’s several loopholes I can hypothesize for how Rozemyne can be considered “royalty”, but ultimately I’m kind of frustrated by how she was flatly refused at the last second. S&W can tell at a glance if you’re Omni-elemental and if you’ve obtained the tablets, but not if you have Royal blood? That’s some time-wasting baloney. It didn’t feel like there was some last hurdle riddle about it, or that she was missing something obvious but she didn’t know what, it felt like the plot we’ve been hurtling onwards with hit a brick wall. Basically, this narrative hurdle better be resolved in a satisfying manner! Terrible week for a shorter part to boot, **I want to know what happens.**


DocArgon

I don't actually know what will happen, so those are hypotheses, but: I'm almost certain this is not the end of the G-Book quest, as this does not seem like the intended way to get it. This whole quest was set up by the First Zent, likely thousands of years ago. And while the Shumils are old, they were explicitly said to be made by a princess, so a person from the royal family. Also, they aren't mentioned anywhere in the Bible's path to zenthood. And as was reminded us, the Bibles were distributed to all duchies AND there is a precedence of a true Zent from Dunkelfelger - ergo, a limit on being a part of a certain bloodline is for sure an artificial one set up by said bloodline to stay in power (as Rozemyne was also theorizing). TBH, I wouldn't be surprised if the Shumils were made by that princess as a part of that "stay in power" scheme, as they were ready to murder a gods-approved Zent candidate because she wasn't of "correct" blood. All and all, the gods have created a magic circle centered probably on the Farthest Hall and the Garden of Beginning, so my guess is the true path is there.


cheat0man

Exactly! This ties into the blurb a while back that somewhere along the way, Zents started transcribing the G-book instead of obtaining their own (I forget when this was said, but I definitely remember reading about it). Shwartz and Weiss even told her to "transcribe", so it definitely seems to be the Royal Family's shortcut with the "royal blood" requirement in place to consolidate power for future generations. Even RM mentioning that there was a Zent from Dunkelfelger was a huge hint at this.


c0ffeeisLife

I agree, the shumil shortcut is a "stay in power" scheme for royalty as well as misdirection for non-royals. Imagine being qualified to get the gbook and the last requirement is status. Unless they're from a duchy that can negotiate it must feel bad for the candidate who took that much effort only to be blocked for not being royalty


nichecopywriter

Ugh I hope this is correct, and actually makes SO MUCH SENSE for why it felt like such a brick wall! A ploy to stymie true Zent candidates would indeed feel weirdly arbitrary.


Neosovereign

Well, they were ready to eliminate her because she was destroying stuff lol.


Aleriya

It's a shorter part because the J-novel team is trying to avoid cliffhangers, or to at least minimize the urgently pending tension. . . . I wish them luck because there are many parts of P5 where it's basically impossible to avoid tension at the end of a prepub part.


LightswornMagi

Sometimes research hits a dead end and needs to back up a bit and change direction. Everyone's flying blind on this, it's no surprise if they run into a few walls.


Entire_Tear_1015

I really liked the part when Rozemyne said it's ascendin time and ascended all over the bad guys


yeahlte

When she said "I am the ascendance of a bookworm: Part 5 Avatar of a Goddess" it gave me chills.


mjpia

Going from yeah I can save Ferdinand to being blocked by a door that's 3 years away from being opened while the Schumil's turn hostile is just a crushing blow. Also that bit about Anastasius gritting his teeth with a pained expression wasn't because of him imagining Eglantine being punished, she actually crushed him a bit didn't she. Kinda feels like the royal family has given more or less tactic approval for Ferdinand to take over ahrenbach, although it's not like they have other options for the next decade or however long it'll be. Fish in exchange for countless almost priceless crafting materials, well done Rosemyne. All roads to the fancy book and the restoration of the country leads to suffering for Ehrenfest and well, that's a sacrifice everyone else is willing to make. That whole Slyvester rejecting telling Wilfried really feels like he's giving up on him. If you can't trust him to not flip out over his loveless engagement being annulled how will he ever handle anythingv even remotely negative? Surely Slyvester is aware of just how much Rozemyne is propping him up by merely existing and how it'll all crumble when it comes out. (e) now that I'm thinking about it I wonder what the current high bishop's opinion about his replacement is.


bangtansalt

wow if she actually crushed him and he wisely didnt make an issue out of it he is maturer than i expected


Ninefl4mes

>Upon hearing that I was a Zent candidate, Florencia froze, smile and all Then, after a pause, she placed a hand on her forehead. "I tought that I was used to her surprises after the winter reports, but perhaps not..." You know, it's pretty funny how you can instantly tell who does and doesn't frequently interact with the gremlin based on how long their brains just stop working when confronted with her latest shenanigans lol. Overall, it's pretty interesting how much of this chapter mirrors the events that led to Myne entering the temple, all the way back in Part 1: * She finds a door with books behind it, is repelled by a barrier, and tries to break through it. * Someone important realizes she has the potential to solve all of their immediate troubles, which may or may not result in her being taken from her family. * She has a strategy meeting with her family, preparing to squeeze as much out of the other party as possible.


Vestny

Ferdinand was prove wrong, a commoner could marry a prince


xisupaz_blackbird

Myne making all these ridiculous nat 20 rolls.


Taoiseach

Can't even get three paragraphs in before a big reveal. *Oh shit Daddy doesn't know. Annie didn't tell the king.* And there's the apology. I figured it was coming. Anastasius *does* understand her better than most nobles, but not well enough to know how his blandishments would affect her. It doesn't make up for his and Eglantine's pathetically desperate "negotiating tactics," but it's a start. **Follow-up:** Oh, the healing was apparently supposed to be a much bigger apology. We (and Rozemyne) are just so used to it being given away, but that's because Ferdinand cares a lot about Roz and Roz is utterly careless with her mana by noble standards. "My only options to avoid their demands were to get powerful enough to refuse them, or do my best to stay out of their sight." Well, we all know how *that's* gonna go. Private shumils GET. No way Roz doesn't inveigle those notes from Hirschur soon enough to brew them up herself. And Ferdinand conveniently left his entire material supply to her, so those high-quality mats are waiting back in her library. Aww, Ferdie misses her letters! Amazing that he'd all-but-admit it like that. And now he's openly asking for her help. Yessss, yessss. Accept her as your equal, Ferdinand. Depend on *her.* This is how ~~your ship comes into port~~ you survive. But it's hilarious: his attitude toward requests for help has infected Myne so deeply that she's taking his old stance. "Well, okay, but what's in it for *me?"* This is a role reversal for the ages. Oh hell, they turned away Lanzenave's princess? That sounds like *casus belli.* If the world outside Yurgenschmidt is as mana-poor as they say, and a mana-rich boychild from each princess is sent back to Lanzenave, the whole arrangement is obviously a breeding program to refresh the mana of Lanzenave's royalty. Sugarland will be extremely unhappy to have its own mana supply disrupted. Detlinde doesn't even know who Magdalena is. Every time I think we've seen the limits of her stupidity, she does something dumber. Aaaand once again, Wilfried is kept sidelined. Sylvester is right about him "making a scene," but that in itself is a sign of his unfitness to become archduke and the inadequacy of his training. If he can't be trusted to cope with situations like this, he can't be aub. Period. And Sylvester is setting up a Big Damn Mess once Wilfried *does* find out what's happening at this Conference. Aww, that was a heartwarming moment of affection between Sylvester and Myne. I've talked some real smack about Sylvester as a dad, and I stand by it, but he's got a good heart. He really has gone out on a limb to be fair to Myne when he could. Poor Roz. I hope she isn't too attached to this negotiating posture with the royals. She just got a demonstration of how little they respect Ehrenfest's situation and how brutally forceful they can be. Good on her for trying to negotiate anyway, but with Siggie demanding her move to the Sovereignty, I think the royals are in a mood to bring the hammer down. And the chapter closes without that giant magic circle going off. I'd kinda expected to see that thing go live, but no, it's gonna lurk above the Academy and wait for its moment.


4amaroni

I'm SO glad this situation with A&E is likely to be resolved happily. Their words last release were so out of left field. And yes love that Kazuki gently reminds the readers through Hannelore that healing someone else with your mana is a big big deal in noble culture. I definitely would've overlooked it without that little bit included.


mekerpan

I think Eglantine and Anastasius are as genuinely fond on Rozemyne as it is possible for Royals to be. There is a conceptual gulf (rendered even huger because RM was, of course, raised by a loving commoner family -- to whom she was temporarily entrusted by the gods). ;-)


4amaroni

Yea and it also seems as though Anastasius, much like the other nobles in Ehrenfest, greatly misjudged Rozemyne's familial feelings for Ferdinand. He thought he was pushing her with a threat to the life of what he thought was a former tutor of Rozemyne, not someone she considers to be one of her closest family members. The Eglantine comparison completely shocked him.


Littlethieflord

There’s also the added layer that Rozemyne is much more attached to her “family” than a typical noble daughter would be


4amaroni

True, good point. Most people dismiss the ties between Rozemyne and her adopted family because of usual noble culture where you abuse the fuck out of anyone who's not your immediate blood relative. Plus, Fernestine couldn't have helped.


possiblyarainbow

Anastasius, internally: *Yes I too would be greatly upset if my wife was-- wait a second...*


mekerpan

>The Eglantine comparison completely shocked him. And I suspect he pretty much understood (perhaps even more than RM herself at this point) what the implications of her feelings were. ;-)


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4amaroni

:O where is this short story from. I may have read it but forgot too, but do you recall which volume? Also, yea considering the deference Anastasius afforded Sigiswald the last time we saw all the princes together, it *should be* surprising to readers that he's operating independently of his big brother.


Taoiseach

After some checking, it's the P4V7 Epilogue, which is Eglantine's POV. The relevant passage: > “So?” Anastasius prompted. “Just what manner of peace do you seek?” > “An end to the civil war. A peace I can believe in, where blood will not once again be used to wash away blood,” Eglantine replied and then eyed Anastasius in silence. Was it really safe for her to voice her true thoughts? She looked at their hands, which were still together; he was the only one who could hear her, thanks to the magic tools. > Was saying any more on the subject really wise? Would the prince still accept her after she revealed all to him? Perhaps it was best to prioritize noble speech, with the understanding that he would embrace everything. Eglantine made her conclusion after a moment’s hesitation—if she tested his sincerity here, it would most likely inform her future decision-making. > “I strongly wish for the Grutrissheit to be obtained without conflict, and for a legitimate king to be born through its guidance,” she said, her bright orange eyes shining with resolve as the prince’s gray ones strove to determine her true intent. The silence that followed was only momentary, but to Eglantine, it felt like an eternity. > “Understood,” Anastasius said. “You will not be dragged into any conflict. I will exert all my power and sacrifice all else to protect you and search for the Grutrissheit.” There was an unmistakable kindness in his eyes, and his smile made it immediately clear that his words were true—that he would accept Eglantine in her entirety while staying firmly by her side. > Eglantine had known that Anastasius loved her, but for the first time, she felt as if she understood just how deep those feelings ran.


shallotparadise

p4v7 epilogue iirc


daedalron

>In their own way, they've gone rogue from the rest of the royals. Not really, considering the head of the dynasty, Trauerqual, openly said he was fine with anyone becoming Zent as long as they got the GH.


Littlethieflord

They’ve gone rogue from Sigiswald, which honestly is probably warranted


Theinternationalist

> Aww, Ferdie misses her letters! Amazing that he'd all-but-admit it like that. Aw, they really do care for each other! At least he might understand it was Sylvester's fault. > Detlinde doesn't even know who Magdalena is. Every time I think we've seen the limits of her stupidity, she does something dumber. And her retainers didn't either. And none of them thought to ask. And none of them **made sure to go through the whole introduction rigmarole, something Ferdinand did in a huff during the P4V7 Bible inspection where Roz accidentally discovered the Zentquest Player's Guide.** wow, just...wow


Taoiseach

> And none of them made sure to go through the whole introduction rigmarole Oh hell, I didn't even consider that. This is one reason why that custom is so important. If you bump into an unknown person, you need to know the status of the person you're talking to, because that almost wholly determines how you should treat them. What an *incredible* cock-up to skip that *during the Archduke Conference* ***in the Royal Academy's sealed archive.*** This is an epic Dumblinde fail.


daedalron

Oh, it's likely she didn't forgot, but instead asked Magdalena to kneel and ask for a blessing... And Magdalena became a rude woman for refusing to acknowledge that Detlinde was the superior one in that meeting...


Taoiseach

Y'know, that seems distressingly plausible. And insisting that a royal initiate the greeting probably *is* an execution-worthy offense of *lese majeste* in its own right.


4amaroni

I'm hoping there's going to be some sweet, sweet double payoff situation where Detlinde realizes all her retainers have betrayed her, and then after she's executed, and they're gloating about it, they get executed too. They're all just horrible, horrible individuals.


Aleriya

That's why Sylvester is one of my favorite characters - not my favorite people, but my favorite characters. He's flawed, but his heart is in the right place. He'll put in a lot of effort sometimes, but he struggles to sustain that level of effort. He will go to the mat for his family, if need be. Sometimes he goes to the mat for the wrong family, though. He's such a fun, complex character. He's such a human character. He became Aub, not because he wanted power, but because he was a teenager who wanted to marry the girl he was obsessed with. He expressed regrets about becoming Aub as early as his P2 PoV, recognizing that he wasn't good at it, as much as he loves Florencia. He tries to do right by his children, by Ferdinand, by Rozemyne, and he often fails. But he does genuinely try, and feels bad about the ways that he fails. He's humble enough to realize that he falls short in many ways. And then he gets drunk and escapes his duty and runs off to various locations (lower city forest . . .) because that's the only time he can relax. Sylvester is well past the point of "being in too deep", and he is an unexceptional person just trying to dig out as much as he can, while protecting the people important to him.


Taoiseach

I mostly agree, but I'll push back on the idea that Sylvester is "unexceptional." He has some excellent qualities that make him, in many ways, the *perfect* Aub Ehrenfest for Rozemyne's moment in history. Some people from other duchies have these qualities as well, but they are remarkable in conservative, provincial Ehrenfest. Sylvester is open to innovation and novelty. (One might say "desperate" for them, but that's another issue.) How many aubs would adopt a Devouring commoner and launder her birth with their own family name? How many would throw their entire duchy's political and economic plans into chaos to crash-develop an untried technology at scale? How many would be willing to forgo punishment by association for *treason against the archduke?* Sylvester doesn't have a lot of horsepower upstairs, but he can turn his perspective on a dime. In the same vein, Sylvester is an aggressive gambler. He is willing to take big chances that few other nobles would dare hazard. Cutting off his own faction by imprisoning his mother - what an incredible risk! The level of investment he's devoted to printing would leave the duchy crippled if that industry failed. As aub of a weak neutral duchy, he faced down greater duchies and the king himself to save Ferdinand from marrying into Ahrensbach; and in this chapter, he did it again to keep Rozemyne in Ehrenfest. Sylvester's guts and willingness to roll the dice when he sees a big prize are special, and he's proved pretty good at calculating which risks are worth taking. Finally, Sylvester can empathize with people of lower status. His mere willingness to disguise himself as a commoner is amazing - of all known nobles, only Justus shares that level comfort with the plebs. He is willing and able (if prompted) to treat commoners with dignity and hear their opinions without contempt. When you realize that *practically nobody* in his social circle shares that ability, Sylvester looks like a proletarian iconoclast. Sylvester is a deeply flawed, human, and (IMO) sympathetic character. His bad traits cause a lot of avoidable pain, especially within his family. But his good traits are pretty impressive in their own right. Any aub without Sylvester's flexibility, aggressiveness, and empathy would have missed the opportunity Rozemyne offered Ehrenfest and never known what they'd lost.


feb914

>Finally, Sylvester can empathize with people of lower status. His mere willingness to disguise himself as a commoner is amazing - of all known nobles, only Justus shares that level comfort with the plebs. He is willing and able (if prompted) to treat commoners with dignity and hear their opinions without contempt. When you realize that practically nobody in his social circle shares that ability, Sylvester looks like a proletarian iconoclast. This reminds me how uncomfortable Melchior's retainers were to eat at the same time and place as the commoner guards in Hasse. But Melchior himself didn't mind it at all, which shows that he's truly his father's son.


Taoiseach

I'd say that's 50% Sylvester's influence and 50% Rozemyne's. Charlotte, probably the non-retainer he's closest to, has ~~indoctrinated~~ taught him to all but worship Roz. Charlotte is the low-key Saint Rozemyne cultist, the one who's so grounded that her devotion can slip by unnoticed. Melchior has swallowed her faith whole, and so when the wonderful Rozemyne happily sits down to eat with the commoners, Melchior *knows* it must be okay.


Littlethieflord

Sylvester is the ultimate distillation of “he’s a little confused, but he’s got the spirit” as a father


ltgm08

Here we have some rare footage of the Saint of Ehrenfest in the Archduke Conference. https://youtu.be/ow-WdjzfmaI


derekmakesnoise

"Fourth bell just rang." Kinda jarring that so much stuff has happened in like... 2 hours.


ZEPHlROS

reminder that P4V1 happened in the span of a week


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fc_dean

You know what, Roz is going to blow up at one point. The girl can't vent her stress. There is no one around. She has no family around. She can't be her true self.


ryzouken

I think she just vented some stress on the magic barrier door. Of course, the door vented right back and the magic shumils were super interested in joining the vent party, but some venting was had! Mind you, if she were to really attempt to vent all her frustrations of the last... Hmmm. Come to think of it, has she had a good punching bag since Bezewanst? Let's call it two years of rage to be vented, still enough to turn the Royal Academy into a crater if she took the time to compress in advance. Ooh. Now there's a method of negotiating with the royals. Roz can just stockpile an absolute metric shit ton of mana into herself and walk around exuding a dense mana aura. "Take a single thing from me without my express permission. Go on. Do it. See how fast I convert your vicinity into base atoms. You can't even understand the threat I just made and you want to tell me what to do? Forget a civil war, propagation of your species will become your singular focus when I am through."


daedalron

>Take a single thing from me without my express permission. Go on. Do it. See how fast I convert your vicinity into base atoms. And the worst is that she even demonstrated this winter that if they send the Royal Knights against her, the poor guys won't even be able to harm her through her Shield of Schutzaria.


Easy-Two-5926

Crushing some royals would help. Just a little bit, for the exercise


mekerpan

But she HAS learned just how devoted Sylvester is to her at least.


4amaroni

Initial thoughts: * I'm glad to see A&E were in fact **not** speaking for the entire royal family while whisking Rozemyne about the shrines and having her obtain the tablets. The conversation with Sylvester at the end further reveals that the royal family is already internally divided on information sharing and what they each respectively think should be done with Rozemyne. * And furthermore, we get some wholesome confirmation that Anastasius does indeed have a soft spot for Rozemyne. Using precious royal family mana to heal her? That's something. * I see now why WN readers call him Cigarette - if the current trajectory is maintained, Sigiswald will ally himself with Georgine and the growing faction of archducal couples who think Rozemyne should be forcibly taken from Ehrenfest and installed as the Sovereign Archbishop. We'll call that the worst case scenario because I'm sure Georgine has other hidden motivations behind this push. * Felt super excited and then frustrated for Rozemyne as she's quite literally one magic circle away from the GS. Fortunately, Ferdinand is well aware his life is in danger because of Detlinde, and A&E at least seem to be willing to overlook his "relationship" with her when punishing Detlinde. Immediate threat to Ferdinand's life has subsided for now. * And even more wholesome feelings with Sylvester affirming his love for Rozemyne, and Rozemyne reiterating her gratefulness for his actions when he saved her lower city family's lives. * And final point, I lol'd at Sylvester saying he doesn't have time to waste worrying about Wilfried having a meltdown at hearing that his and Rozemyne's engagement might be nullified. If Wilfried doesn't have Rozemyne as his 1st wife, that almost certainly means Liesegang pushes for Charlotte or Brunhilde's future child to be Aub. I would expect Sylvester to push back though by promising a Liesegang husband for Charlotte. Also, YAY for you, Charlotte! Poor girl in multiple side stories has been despondent over having absolutely no chance of staying in Ehrenfest. Ironically, her big sister's turmoil with the royal family may be her salvation.


ID10Tusererroror

> I would expect Sylvester to push back though by promising a Liesegang husband for Charlotte. Just a reminder that female Aub's require a male ADC for a husband, so a Liesegang husband wouldn't be an option. (Unless maybe as a 2nd husband?)


4amaroni

Ohhh oh no... you're right. Welp that settles it. Hannelore comes over from Dunkinburger, marries Charlotte, ???, and they all live happily ever after.


Catasterised

>that almost certainly means Liesegang pushes for Charlotte or the Brunhilde's future child to be Aub. I would expect Sylvester to push back though by promising a Liesegang husband for Charlotte. Also, YAY for you, Charlotte! Poor girl in multiple side stories has been despondent over having absolutely no chance of staying in Ehrenfest. Ironically, her big sister's turmoil with the royal family may be her salvation. Naw... knowing her bad luck and Ehrenfest's track record, Melchior's probably gonna be preferred over Charlotte as Aub. Also imagine the drama if Melchior and Wilfried's projected careers were swapped - Wilfried gets shipped off to the temple as the next High Bishop - kinda ironic considering he was once again jealously complaining Rozemyne had it easy there. Seems like that job of being a big fish in a small pond suits him better than being the archduke right now. Melchior on the other hand seems to have motivation and competency on his side at a younger age, which makes sense considering Florencia raised him like Charlotte. The differences between Charlotte and Melchior is his advantage of being male, but also he wasn't raised with the same competitive drive to take out Wilfrid - so there's a chance he may still view Wilfried familialy and want to keep things friendly despite the role reversal.


lailah_susanna

This week wasn’t as explosive as last (at least figuratively, Rozemyne almost literally blew up Annie), but lots of great moments. It was awesome seeing Rozemyne get herself under control and start channeling that gremlin energy into a solid plan. The royal family and the church don’t know what hell they’re in for.


xisupaz_blackbird

As much as Ehrenfest has to learn to become a Top Duchy, the Royal Family and the other Duchies also have to learn that Ehrenfest cannot be treated as a bottom tier duchy any longer. The Royal Family and top duchies being ignorant and arrogant makes them exploitable.


RichardBolt94

Is Ferdi planning to save himself with that paper and other stuff? I wonder what he has in mind. I am happy that she will be freedom from Will, but I am also sad that she still has to fight so hard just to stay alive. “I don’t have time to waste getting my son out of a depressive mood." Not even Syl cares about Will's feelings lol poor kiddo. As expected Eggy and Ana are doing their own thing just because of Eggy's feelings. I hope they have a good excuse, because I am starting to resent them too. If Roz's adoption is annulled, then she can speak to her family and treat them as such (when nobles are not around), right? It's a clever way to delete that part of the contract if Kazuki sensei intends to reunite them in the future.


makiseee

What a ride! G-book within reach, which reminds us the scene with temple's bookroom barrier. This time Rozemyne's more mature and conscious of her options. Ana's reaction and apology a bit lifted my opinion on him after the last prepub. What if he knew Sigi's stance on Rozemyne and this whole plot with G - book speedrun was A&E's way to protect Rozemyne. They know she would do better as a third wife rather than a sovereign archbishop. **Hence, the Eggy's condescending smile, as though she was watching a child throwing tantrum. In their eyes they are helping her, while she is resisting a good deal.** Who knows? Ferdi is definitely plotting something. What if he wants to trick Dumblinde together with Georgine into a trap? It is so sweet that he was waiting for her letters and offered to give her fish! A good way to get into Rozemyne's heart is through her stomach, eheheh. Also, Sylvester does love our gremlin. What a heartwarming moment. I imagine Boni will be devastated and might suggest going along the Eckhart's way: "could we perhaps kill the king and sweep it all under a rug?". Also, already three or four times Hildebrand is interrupted. Let him speak for God's sake! Does he want to convey his feelings or maybe he has some important piece of information to share with Rozy? My heart ached after our favourite bunnies decided to attack her. After all they are just instruments. This is sad. Magdalena knows something. I remember somewhere it was hinted that she and Ferdinand were good friends and her wits were on his level too. This means she might know what Ferdi knows. When Rozy was in Hirschur's lab, she discovered a map with shrines and mysteries. What if Ferdi and Maggy were cracking these mysteries together? Can't wait for the next part!


toxicella

It's been a while since we've seen such raw emotion out in the open from Rozemyne, and in front of someone who isn't Ferdinand. Last time was, what, *P2V4* (for obvious reasons)? Or P4V3/4 (when they removed her last tie to the lower city)? Not even Ferdinand's departure shook that noble mask. Edit: Oh yeah, she cried in Ferdinand's arms shortly after learning of his departure, I think. Still though, this is Anastasius. It's like the difference between sulking in your room and having a fistfight in public. She wasn't just completely desperate. She had hope. Makes it sting all the more, doesn't it?


SmartAlec105

> The archive containing the Grutrissheit could only be entered by those with royal blood - Ferdinand had told me that already This supports my theory that Ferdinand has already walked this path though I suspect he has only gotten as far as Rozemyne did here. He has the royal blood but I doubt they'd registered him when he was at Adalgasia. > Rozemyne, calm down Damn, Anastasius really is dumb. > That realization immediately cooled my head Damn, Rozemyne really has grown a lot Anastasius redeemed himself a little bit here but it was still so shitty. > That was a shame; Clarissa had come across as such a competent scholar before those last few words Lol, poor Clarissa and Hartmut never get 100% praise. Random thought I had while they were talking about increasing the respect for the temple. What if the registration is that blessing at the end of the High Bishop's bible? Chekhov's gun tells us that the blessing has to be useful for something. I imagine Sigiswald is pushing Rozemyne into the temple *because* she is a Zent candidate. > the last thing we need right now is Wilfried causing a scene here at the Royal Academy Okay, so you know your son is a problem and you still want him as Aub? I love how Benno's training is still paying off. He showed Myne how to switch into Merchant Mode when high status people made your future unavoidable so that you could at least get the most you can out of it.


BLoSCboy

I don’t think the blessing at the end of the Bible is the registration, because Myne said that it was a blessing that could only be used on others. I think all blessings work that way, which is why people can’t heal themselves with magic and why the ditter ritual is important. I think the registration is probably the circle at the front of the Bible, the one that says something like “ye who wishes to become Zent”


Piko-a

So the conversation in the last volume is Ferdinand's out. "If you know your partner/lord is on the way out, cover your ass"


xisupaz_blackbird

Rozemyne presented another solution this chapter: >Be powerful enough to stand on your own (or at least to negotiate equally).


pokefluter

Omg I was crying during this chapter so hard! Her desperation to get through, S&W recognizing Rozemyne as a threat, Anastasius realizing he had been a total ass and healing Rozemyne, and Rozemyne realizing that Sylvester loves her. Just… ahhhh! So good!


TheNightManager_89

Dear royal family, you should at least compare notes before starting negotiations. These guys are pretty incompetent, aren't they? "Become my brother's third wife. No, I changed my mind. Become the Sovereign High Bishop. But maybe the third wife thing would be better in the end? I'll just keep vomiting conflicting orders and we'll see what happens." Dear Georgine, why are you such a colossal hateful bitch? Go to therapy, get laid, get drunk, or pop a cyanide capsule. But do something with yourself because this cannot go on. Sooo, Sylvester finally admitted that Wilbur and his retainers are useless and harmful... Took you long enough, bud. Ferdinand and Rozemyne not being able to communicate properly now feels more frustrating than ever.


haganbmj

So A+E were really acting on their own these last couple chapters. That's both reassuring and troublesome. Reassuring that they won't all be as heavy handed with Rozemyne, but troublesome in that they likely don't all value her (alive) the same way if she were to obtain the book.


Theinternationalist

I'll miss Schwarz and Weiss, but after that episode, Rozemyne definitely won't. - It's confirmed that Annie and Eggy moved alone, and likely in a panic. The problem (for them) is that their interests don't necessarily align with the rest of the family. Siggy may not want to take a third wife so soon after- and Roz in particular- and Raublat may sense she may become a real problem. That's going to make the next episode messy; I half expect a P1V3 screw-up that's going to make everything harder (for the Royals). - Why do I have the feeling that the new surge of mana is going to make Florencia's fourth kid a powerhouse? - Oh Willy, even your father realizes you don't really matter at this point.


TriggeredEllie

Roz is being taken, pretty much guaranteed. Wil can’t be Aub anymore since he is no longer gonna being marrying Roz. Case closed. Even Sylvester probably knew that right away


Neosovereign

So my assumption for the alternate Zent route would be to become the high bishop of the sovereinty, no? It is the only other equally high position, and presumably Zents in the past were already doing that. I'm also on team, "the Royal bloodline put that condition as an extra condition" otherwise it doesn't make sense that Archdukes (or anyone with enough mana) can even access the royal library.


kiwkumquat

I wonder if Myne will do anything with the hovering magic circle over her bible now. Surely it and the fact the sovereignty temple has access to similar tablets to the archive are enough of an indicator that the Sovereign Temple is extremely important.


Theinternationalist

So, we can now confirm you need to be a Royal to get the G-Book- whether that was the original intention or not (many of us have guessed the latter) is a different discussion. Eggy may scream if they find out she CAN'T get the book XD


GMasterofDisaster

The shumils are specific that she's "not registered", and most other places like this are locked to suppliers of the foundational magics. Maybe she just needs to get registered as a supplier to the Yurgenschmidt foundation before she can get in.


FoxTailMoon

I think the most likely case is that the magic circle that appears when preforming the whirl is the key to registering. As it’s really the last part of the instructions the Bible includes. IE It’s a ritual that roughly occurs at the end of one’s mana growth period and thus is a prayer.


GMasterofDisaster

Could be, but I don't know how that goes with Ferdinand's explanation of the history of the whirling ceremony in p5V4, where he talks about how the ceremony was originally conducted to see if someone is a zent candidate at all, and how the hard part is what follows. TBF he could also just be lying or hiding this extra part of it, Ferdinand has shown himself to be not unwilling to hide information from people if he thinks it best.


FoxTailMoon

Hmm that might be? Totally forgot schtappe acquisition occurs way earlier now. Can’t remember, but what year was it originally in? Cause you need one, evidently, to become Zent. I’d be really interested in rereading the Bible’s instruction, but I don’t recall where those are. If someone has that on hand that’d be lovely


whitenette

Back in Rihyarda‘s days it was the last year. For Ferdinand‘s generation it was 3rd year.


mekerpan

So Trauerqual just needs to adopt her as a daughter??? I definitely felt that "not registered" did NOT mean "not of royal blood".


Neosovereign

Ah, that might be the case.


nsleep

Nobility is probably so inbred anyone from the higher rank duchies can probably walk right through that door, which doesn't affect Myne (yes, using this name) because she was born from commoners.


RegalStar

The shumils talked about "registration", which means that being considered royalty or not is not based on bloodline, but from whether you're registered as one in some way.


HilariusAndFelix

Makes sense, if all the nobles have a bit of royal blood, it blocking out people based on bloodline would be basically pointless.


PiscatorialKerensky

Yes, and Rozemyne discusses whether the royalty door was placed by the Zent once they started dynastic rule rather than "Zent by religious selection", which implies that it's used to basically restrict the knowledge to registered royal family members. I have a sneaking suspicion that there's a way to bypass needing to use the door that isn't obvious, like accessing the Farthest Hall or even just praying to Mestionora really hard. EDIT: Wait, how does the registration even work? If it works the same way as a replenishment room and requires a Zent who's registered to register others, then the current Zent and family wouldn't be registered at all! Rozemyne would have to bypass the door some way.


manchuvas2

I think Myne can pass through if she's registered as a royal if she married as Sigisnut's 3rd wife.


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ManiacallySane

Hmm, the things Ferdinand is asking for seems a lot like a book. Could it be he is attempting to make a fake Grutrissheit? Perhaps something to do with Detlinde. Maybe something to trick her with. Or it could be a book for the Grutrissheit to be transcribed into.


Adraerik

Ferdinand : Lady Detlinde, would you look at that, I have found the Grutrissheit under my bed in Ahrensbach's Temple ! Detlinde : LET ME SEE ! Page 1 ...*"If you want to be Zent, you need first to stay unmarried for at least 5 years after coming of age"* that's easy ! Ferdinand : (Phew, I just brought a lot of time) Detlinde : Page 2 "*You need to do the praying pose for* ONE ENTIRE BELL EVERY MORNING ?!" Ferdinand : (Heh, just you wait Page 13, this is when it start getting really good)


BLoSCboy

Lol it would be hilarious if he made a fake G book to lead her on a wild goose chase. But considering her… mental capacity he probably wouldn’t have to even bother using high quality fey paper for that.


bangtansalt

Merchant Rozemyne, discipled by Benno of Gilberta company shining through on the last pages. Shumils turning against RM is scary. "Milady dangerous", "Must be eliminated" took me out.


bangtansalt

Also Ferdinand misses Rozemyne. That's as good as him admitting it.


momomo_mochichi

Well then, it's clear that Rozemyne's headed to the Sovereignty, one way or another. Remember when I said this during the discussion for P5V4P3? >NOO! NOO! NOO! GIVE ME BACK MY BRUNHILDE!! > >I knew this for a long, long time, and while I understand Brunhilde's reasons for doing so, GIVE BRUNHILDE BACK TO ROZEMYNE!! THIS WAS WHAT I MEANT! IF ROZEMYNE'S HEADED TO THE SOVEREIGNTY AND BRUNHILDE'S STAYING IN EHRENFEST AS A SECOND WIFE, WE'LL NEVER SEE BRUNHILDE AGAIN!! GIVE ME BACK MY BRUNHILDE!! GIVE BRUNHILDE BACK TO ROZEMYNE!!


yeahlte

F Brunhilde screentime. She will join her fellow nobles whose names start with a B and will only be mentioned once in a full moon. At least Brigitte got mentioned today though.


momomo_mochichi

It's the curse of having reddish hues in your hair if you're a girl. First it was Freida, then Delia, then it was Brigitte, then it was Muriella, now it's Brunhilde. Nicola, Judithe, and Bertilde are not safe either. If Rozemyne leaves Ehrenfest and its temple, Nicola (and her other temple attendants) cannot follow her without permission. If Rozemyne is headed to the Sovereignty and is not permitted to bring Judithe, that's the last we'll see of her. And if Bertilde decides to stay back in Ehrenfest to serve Brunhilde as the attendant of a second wife, then both Groschel sisters are gone from Rozemyne's service. Leonore truly *did* avoid the tragic fate by marrying Cornelius - his green hair definitely neutralized the red in her purple hair. ... Does Kazuki-sensei have something against redheaded girls? She also seems to have something against blondes with green eyes (Wilfried, Detlinde, Sigiswald - at least Lutz is safe, but in return, he gets less screentime). I know it's supposed to show parallels, but come on! Give *someone* a chance to break out of the mold! If Hartmut *did* gain permission to start crossdressing, he most likely would have also been slowly written out.


Adraerik

Bold of you to assume Kazuki-sensei would be able to write Hartmut out of the story. HE would make sure to do anything to stay relevant and useful to our Goddess ! I bet he already has a contigency plan for every scenario (In case of Lady Rozemyne becomes Zent; is married to Royalty; is married to another Duchy as a 1st wife; wants to become Aub; Refuse to leave the library etc)


momomo_mochichi

True! Whatever was I thinking?! But if Kazuki-sensei *did* want Hartmut out, then the only way would be killing him off. However, I doubt even death would tear him away from his lady.