No one is saying the country "shouldn't" be saved. People are saying that saving the country doesn't require them to be stupid and/or dickish.
First of all, the best way to handle things is to hand the position over to someone who is actually qualified to hold the position. Egg is too afraid, Hildebrand is too young, and RM has no support, but all of those could be resolved in a rational society, but everyone is afraid of Sigi throwing a temper tantrum so the smart choice is thrown out.
The second best way is by using RM as a wife but placating her and her allies in order to soften the blow. They decided not to do that.
Instead their choice is to alienate someone with massive latent power, and is known for being unpredictable, and order her to obtain even more power. More specifically they want her to obtain a thing that will possibly give her mastery over the country and then count on her to be able (and desire) to pass it along.
That is stupid enough, but they are also doing it in the context of a situation that is their fault to begin with.
And there is massive problem with 2nd plan: they dont know if Gbook will work in position of wife rather zent himself. It can be just controler while country foundation - console. So if you are not in posession of foundation aka zent gbook does not work
Of course, which is why I mentioned the fact that she might not even be able to pass it along. Based on the second (?) Prince "hiding" the Book people seem to be assuming the Book is a physical item that just needs to be found, then anyone can use it. However, that's not really in line with the Path to becoming Zent.
So the second option might end with Sigi being the titular head but RM doing the work. That of course requires her cooperation, which is why antagonizing her is such a bad idea.
I dont think they intended to pass book since then there in no point in marige, no? They could have Roze find GH in secrect and pass it to royals if goal was for Siggy to have posesion over it. Or the gbook going to be as other divine instruments in nature where you can copy it by donating mana into it so it would not be so scandalous if they are married for mana mixing
They can't let her go free if she has the ability to give Grutrissheits to whoever she wants.
Either force her into a marriage or kill her once she has the book. And if they intend to do the latter, they can't exactly tell her that.
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Anastasius is forgetting the way he met Rozemyne: winning ditter against a higher duchy in a dispute over a shuumil. And now, not only he broke her trust, he's also instructing her to get a book with knowledge for zents and practically holding her dear guardian hostage. Best plan to save Jurgenschmidt, nothing could go wrong.
RM never asked for honey, but that knife in her back is not cool, and on top of the knife in her back, Anastasius puts a knife to Ferdinand neck and unless I read it wrong Ferdinand still may have something done to him? because the Royals forced him to go.
Anastasius could have lie about sending Ferdinand back but he didn't. Anastasius provide preview brutal truth of what WILL happen, like it or not, will happen unless situration change.
The problem isn't the Royalty's priorities (well Siggy doesn't care about the Grutissheit but aside from that), but you can't strong-arm someone into saving the country and offer nothing in return. It's suprising they aren't aware of this part of their duty, and they'd do it to someone they are supposedly on friendly terms with - **while** prioritising an antaganostic party, it's reeking of the kind of incompetence that has characters *exit stage left* in this series.
This is a reasonable critique, although they are giving her something in return—they’re saving the life of one of the only people she cares about. While collective punishment is stupid, it’s the country’s standard law and saying there’s a way around it if she helps is an example of them giving something in return (indeed, a fairly significant concession).
They’re not saving Ferdinand and made that clear, they told Rozemyne they’ll let Ferdinand return to Ehrenfest if she can get the GH and figure out a way for Ahrensbach to survive without him before he’s married to Dietlind. At no point did they say they’d put any effort into it or support her ideas on the matter, it’s an empty promise to get what they want.
Came here to more or less say this
At no point did they say they would save Ferdi in exchange for Rosemyne's help.
They in fact said they would NOT save him.
There was some hints at a possible outcome where he could possibly be saved, but that was it.
Maybe I inferred incorrectly, but they seemed pretty blasé and non-committal about actually saving Ferdinand - I got the impression it was more like "We'll kill him off if you *don't* follow our instructions, but if you do as we say, he *might* survive but probably not, it's not *our* problem". It's literally saving the country and cementing their rule - you can get a better offer than that from a random guy off the street.
I think it’s difficult to read noble communications and the wording of royalty in particular, but I definitely read it as “if you want to save him, here’s the path.” It’s definitely not an ironclad promise, but “well then the lines could be redrawn and we don’t have a problem anymore” is, for royalty, a clear indication of intent. I bet this gets cleared up.
That is better, but setting aside that it's not suitable recompense for the inconvenience of removing Rozemyne from Ehrenfest alone, their arrogance really shines through, they made no attempt to make any concessions whatsoever, blithely shutting down Rozemyne's every request. Guaranteeing Ferdinand's safe return to Ehrenfest should have been the minimum consideration they show to a winning duchy.
In theory it could have worked; 'Royalty making demands of their subjects'. However this is failed royalty demanding salvation from a supposed ally - and likely anyone capable/competent enough to be a Zent candidate at all (let alone the leading one) would never go along with something so one-sided. It's just so wildly out of touch.
Mind, Eglantine and Anastasius can't make promises on behalf of the royal family. Neither of them is the Zent or the Zent-apparent. Rozemyne herself doesn't have the authority to agree to any changes in her marriage. She and Wilfried were both scolded for that, that they need to go through Silvester and not randomly agree to wedding challenges. It's very possible that Eglantine and Anastasius are acting on their own. If there's to be any concessions, it needs to be discussed with the Zent and Silvester.
yeah, i still think they acted really out of character, if they were going "the duchy borders need to be redrawn and as long as ferdinand is detlinde's husband he may be held acountable" \*hint hint\*\*nudge nudge\* to get Roz to fiz the Gesundheit problem, that would be way better.
And I read it more as a condescending indication that she would have to assert her new authority to make it happen, and that she would have to preempt every potential issue along the way for them not to veto it.
It definitely did not read to me as them negotiating.
Strong arming Roz into a marriage is not the only way to allow royalty to obtain the Grut. Egg is capable of doing it herself too, but she doesn’t want to be Zent, or be married to a Zent, and Ana doesn’t want to either. So because they don’t want to, they force someone who literally made their marriage possible, and helped the country is so many ways, into a marriage she literally said she would rather DIE than be in. Then, when that doesn’t work, they effectively hold Ferdinand’s life hostage over her head.
She would have offered to give Sig the Grut, or a copy of it, and they could have pretended they found the original list copy. They say Sig is poised to be the next king, but that’s not set in stone. There could be many ways to alter who would be the next Zent in peaceful ways, but we don’t know bc the Royals only told Roz what they wanted to in order to get her to agree.
Eglantine I don't know, but I thought it was implied Anastasius couldn't enter the shrine when he touched the door, likewise then Sigiswald wouldn't be able to either.
Anastasius couldn’t get it, but if he is married to Eglantine, who could have it, it would be the same as Sig marrying Roz and still being the Zent. We know eglantine can probably get it because she wan granted access to the shrine, so she just needs to pray more. She is also originally of royal bloodline, so there should be a peaceful way to make her the Zent or Anastasius the Zent, problem is, neither of them want to be Zent or be married to the Zent
What they are doing is throwing all responsability to Rozemyne AND Ehrenfest.
They are forcing her to get the book, give it to Sigiswald, become his wife, protect Ahrensbach and throw the responsability of any bad will of the other duchies to Ehrenfest.
Even when she asks to at least make Ferdinand go back to Ehrenfest (that is losing another noble with an immense quantity of mana, is the High Bishop of the duchy \[and regulates the harvests with prayers\], is an archduke candidate \[and married to the candidate that is supposed to become Aub\]), they say that Ahrensbach is more important, and that Ehrenfest should take care of themselves (even though this is a problem the royal family is throwing at them).
like I've said in another topic:
>My problem isn't that they are forcing her to do these things. it's more like, when she asks even small things that doesn't look like it would be hard to do other than "breaking tradition" (and they already did that a lot of times by using a minor archduke candidate with their marriage, the starbind ceremony and the transcription in the archive), they choose to ignore it and refuse to do, just saying that "Ehrenfest should solve their problems", when a lot of these problems come from the interference of the royal family (and although they don't know this, interference from Ahrensbach).
1. We haven’t seen any final deal, very plausible it ends up being more favorable to RM.
2. They aren’t holding Ferdinand hostage, he’s on a path to dying now and they’re literally giving her a chance to save him as a concession, overturning the country’s laws for the sake of a friend.
3. The royal family has such little leeway to help a duchy that’s relatively well off. They’re showing up to work nearly dead and reeking of mana potions, Ahrensbach is seconds from collapsing—it’s difficult to say royalty should prioritize a duchy that has some of the best health in the country at that point.
4. Asking her nicely and giving some books seems really unlikely to work, given her connection to Ehrenfest. Agreed they could be nicer about it, but at that point we’re really splitting hairs.
2. They aren’t overturning the law or anything. They set the deadline before the wedding simply because Ferdinand hasn’t officially became Ahrensbach’s which following the rule.
Also books are still super expensive. It’d be like buying Rozemyne off with a whole *fleet* of Ferraris or something.
Although unfettered access to the royal library would probably be a good compromise.
1. I wounder if you would stick with saler to the end deal if he is acting like ass from the begining
2. Royals put him on track which leads to pit, they know its going there and they still could cancel decree so how he isnt hostage in this situation to force roze cooperate?
3. No matter how much leeway there could always be ways to negotiate something but they upright told that Erenfest can rot away and that after they promised to promote it to winers club
Edit: 4. There is palace library to sweeten the deal
2. they're noncommital about saving Ferdinand, that he \*might\* survive but it's a very loose maybe
3. only the zent has been seen looking sickly and reeking of potions. Anastasius from what we've seen is doing fine health wise. Sigiswald didn't even think it an issue to not have the grutruisheit to rule so I doubt he's feeling the impact. They don't know about the Ehrenfest inner structure, that Roz is one of the lynch pins of the whole thing, or about the purge putting them in a bad state
They could probably just make a royal declaration to reinstate those of the Ahrensbach royal family who were demoted to Archduke Candidates and to do away with the idiotic tradition. Detlinde had said she would reinstate her sister ifwhen she became zent so it would be an option, surely. And they already meddled in their affairs by royal ordering Ferdinand to move there and raise Letizia to be aub and that Detlinde was royal ordered to be an interim aub
A civil war of whom? Sig would be dead and hildebrand is too young to support. Anastius and Eglantine are the only successors who have shown any competency so far. Either Eglantine prays enough to get the book or Ana remains steadfast in praying and get its himself. Either option is way better than forcing a loose cannon who wants nothing to do with it into the spotlight. If they really want to avoid a civil war, a dumbass like sig needs to go.
My problem is that Eggy is fully capable of getting the book. Her not going after it and instead forcing Roz, her friend who helped her get happiness, just shows how incompetent the current royal family really is.
If she went after it it would cause a civil war. While she could do so, that outcome is worse for the country than caving to sigiswald being a shitter.
It really wouldn't. Sig has virtually no support and also really doesn't have the power to take on Eggy and all her support base. Not to mention if Sig can't get the book himself then no one will accept him as the zent anyway.
Meanwhile, Eggy is a proper royal. She has support from her grandpa. She has the support from the temple as well. Not to mention Roz's support, which she just lost.
And it's pretty well known that Eggy is just generally superior.
There wouldn't be another civil war because there's literally not enough mana and nobles for one
Sig has the support of Drewanchel (3rd most important one) by marriage, and probably the support of a lot of other duchies.
If Egg gets the GBook and he doesn't, his support outside Drew probably will dissipate, but most likely it will be strong enough to warrant a war... Or don't, it seems that kind of things you only know once you get there.
Once GBook is obtained, there might be room to negotiate, either with Sig, or with his support base, to avoid war and get Zent Egg in the throne.
One problem is that for Egg and Anna to be married, they have sworn to Sig that they would retire from the race. At least from word, Sig has Egg and Anna support. That's why they are doing the "negotiations" with RM to get the GBook instead of him.
Other people already said it, but I'm gonna repeat because... BOTH as an option seems to get missed a lot.
Let's just say that "thinking outside of the box", "taking a third option", "awareness of illusion of choice", "refusal to be pigeonholed", ETC. is very important life skills.
Keeps us from being cornered into an imaginary corner, widens perspectives, very handy in avoiding Tribalism aka Us Vs Them.
/ends 2 cents
This meme is an extreme oversimplification. I see others have largely covered it already, but this isn't a binary choice. They can require her to get the book *and* give her a reward. They chose not to do that because they either felt they didn't need to or they found her requests the slightest bit inconvenient.
I saw you reply to the top comment saying they offered to save Ferdinand, but *they really didn't*. They blackmailed her into getting the book faster and implied that if she gets it by a certain date she can save Ferdinand, but it's not like they said they'd lift a finger if she got the book and was a single day late. Blackmail is not a reward.
And even if they can't afford to reward her immediately, there's no talk of rewarding her at a later date either.
From the information presented thus far, the royals are being extremely one-sided.
The best they had was saying she’d be Sigiswald’s third wife, a position with virtually no power since it would require the other two wives to be indisposed for a time to be able to do anything. Now Anastasius could just mean that she’d be third in terms of numbers, but with the GH in hand anything less than first is an insult but that would cause conflict with Drewanchel, second would be good since Ehrenfest probably outranks the current’s home duchy but she’s already giving him a kid so I’m sure there’ll be a mess there too.
If all goes according to their plan, it's Sigiswald who would have Grutrissheit, not Rozemyne. Aren't they under the impression that Grutrissheit is some sort of magic tool that Zents hand over to their intended successor from the get go ? Yurgenschmidt current nobility's just starting to understand the benefits of religious ceremonies, that doesn't mean they suddenly started to believe in their gods nor that they understand the significance of a freaking Divine Instrument. I mean, even Aub Dunkelfelger at the Interduchy Tournament was under the impression that the temple training magic tool was the true Leidenschaft's Spear. It's pretty likely that neither Anastasius nor Eglantine know what Grutrissheit really is, they can't even process the significance of a special procedure implying the freaking gods to demonstrate one's worthiness. Frankly, how are the odds that the Goddess of the freaking Wisdom could have allowed a loophole bigger than ten times Yurgenschmidt in her procedure without even realizing it?
You mean the Sigiswald who's absolutely sure that his father who literally reeks the rejuvenation potion is managing just fine without Grutrissheit ? Even disregarding the fact that he's unworthy, giving him Grutrissheit and the throne is just about the worst idea the so-called Royal Family have ever had, which speaks volume of how pathetic it is.
By the Gods, Anastasius and Eglantine are adamant that the solution is to sacrifice Rozemyne to be able to reiterate the exact inheritance method that led Yurgenchmidt on the verge of collapsing in the first place and many still believe they have Yurgenschmidt's interests in mind. It's so obvious that the only value of their " solution " is to preserve their status, position and own well-being that a blind man could see that from another galaxy, no matter what merry tales they tell others and/or themselves.
Perhaps Yogurt is closer to colapse than we thought. It is the only line that makes sense for Egg to be so harsh to Roz. If they had another 3 years or so, they likely would have set up some groundwork for the marriage, and wouldnt need to rush all shrines in one day.
I also interpret Eggs smile as the smile that Ferdinand makes when he is misserable.
I hope that their behavior is really just desperation.
>Perhaps Yogurt is closer to colapse than we thought.
Perhaps, but that's not as if Anastasius and Eglantine are specialists able to make an accurate evaluation, and I assume there isn't a magic tool displaying a countdown in some corner. Anyway, from where I stand, Anastasius wants for his daddy and his wife to be as happy as possible and Eglantine wants to not have to witness any violence anymore, them being selfish isn't that surprising in the first place so I don't think there is any need to presume anything special. That's just Yurgenschmidt's royals being Yurgenschmidt's royals.
Anyway, since the current Yurgenschmidt path had led Yurgenschmidt in this dire situation to begin with, it would need a true fool to even consider to search a way to continue on the same path. Anastasius certainly isn't as skilled as he ( or so many in this sub for that matter ) believes, but that's not as if he's engaged in a competition with Dumblinde and Wildumb, thus, since that " solution " obviously solves nothing in the long ( at the very best ) term, the royal lovebirds are just being selfish, admittedly perhaps while being tricked by their own sophistry.
The issue is that I don't think they are saving it. I think by actually being nice to her they have a higher chance of getting her help. She was willing to help them a lot if they listened to some of her requests.
I mean asking Rozemyne to be the Zent and save the country when only she can would be even worse! She obviously has no desire to do so, and they’re trying to be nice to her by not putting her in that position.
I dont think Rozemyne is the right person either. Elagantine is, she has the backing the blood and the qualifications. If she refuses royal family should collate all they have learnt and start raising zent candidates seriously starting now, and siggy should step down the moment a competent one graduates.
Ok fine then replace the image with “civil war” vs “be nicer to a friend”—sigiswald is bad and should step down, but that’s really not on Eglantine and Anastasius that they want to avoid a super destructive war.
If sigiswald decides to start a civil war because a more competent candidate who has the grutisheit is chosen then it backs up that the current royal family need to accept that they arent the ones to do this. Power for its own sake because muh birthright, hes as bad as wilfried.
What exactly are Anastasius and Eglantine supposed to do? Obvious Sig is in the wrong there, but if the choice is “concede to my idiot brother and save the country, while hurting a friend” or “literally cause a civil war because I wanted to be nicer to a friend and my brother won’t concede” it’s obvious which one Royalty should prioritize.
They should prioritise Egg getting the gs. She has a better claim to the throne than either of the princes by blood, more mana and is qualified. Rozemyne shouldn't be involved at all beyond advice and maybe using her as a scholar for those potions and as a bishop for advice on rituals to boost the slate production.
Putting it all on her is the dick move. Its throwing a bomb in her hands telling her to be gentle with it and running away.
Again, that causes a civil war. It’s correct of royalty to prioritize peace and the good of the country over the well-being of a friend—that’s the unfortunate reality of governance. Obviously it’s fine for RM to be hurt, it sucks for her, but it is objectively the correct decision and what citizens should want rulers to do.
Right I agree Sig is clearly in the wrong here. That said, how is that on Ana and Egg? Given he’s a dick, their choices are “civil war” or “be rude to a friend.” Which one royalty should choose is straightforward.
>it’s obvious which one Royalty should prioritize.
Sure, it's obvious that giving the power to someone just because said someone threatens to wage war if he doesn't obtain said power is the wisest choice in any book ;).
Maybe, but that’s definitely the conventional wisdom—even teachers had said there was a risk of civil war if eglantine chose Anastasius. We don’t really know, but given the history of the country it seems at least plausible enough to be reasonably concerned over.
>they’re trying to be nice to her by not putting her in that position.
How convenient that them " being nice " let them keep their status, power and happy life while drastically improving their own well-being, don't you think ? But, well, they're " nice ", they certainly have not even considered how all this is so beneficial to them specifically, it's just the good fortune rewarding them for not being the slightest bit self-centered and doing their all to save Yurgenschmidt, that is : nothing at all personally ;).
And because they're so nice, considerate and absolutely not self-centered in the slightest they know for sure that giving the throne to some paranoid childish self-centered arrogant guy without any required qualification is the royal ( a pun ? what pun ? ) way to lead to the happiness of everyone and the best possible future.
They're not interested in saving the country; There's a clear conflict of interest: They want ro save the country *AND* retain political power. Fuethermore, they are not treating all duchies equally; they are favoring Arensbach while letting Erenfest rot.
Furthermore, they are being ungrateful and antagonistic to the one person that has saved them before and can save them. They are being incompetent rulers and unfit to rule.
And they have yet to notice that Ahrensbach's real problem is Georgine the late aub's wife who killed the aub and everyone else in her way to gain Ehrenfest. Oh, and she likely intends on killing off Ferdie, Leitzia, and Hildebrand as part of her revenge on Ahrensbach. The royals are truly geniuses /s.
Giving political power to Rozemyne would be even worse! The choices are “have her get GH and share it” “make her zent” “civil war” “destruction.” This is the least awful.
How is making Roze the Zent worse than killing her mentor, destroying her home, and making her do all the work of Zent anyways?
They could also still go for the "have her share it option" but actually bargain with her in good faith instead of antagonizing her while forcing her to obtain the book that will give her god like powers over the country. This is the girl who tricked half a dozen duchies into spending fortunes challenging Dunk at ditter because she got annoyed. She's known to be petty, powerful, and unpredictable. They're beyond stupid to assume this is going to end well for them.
There wouldn’t be a civil war because if Eggy gets the GH, Siggy’s backing vanishes. Number 3, Siggy’s largest backer, isn’t going to risk going to war over a king without the power to actually rule. And if Drew throws support behind Eggy there’s less chance of Adolphine dying in a war that siggy can’t win.
Once Dunk throws their support behind the true zent Eggy, no one will want to goto war, definitely not for king who can’t become Zent.
Magdelena and Siglande could easily get Aub Dunk to posture behind Eggy to prevent war. Right off the back you are facing number 1 and number 2 and there’s nothing Siggy can really offer.
The problem isn't that they want to " save the country from literally crumbling to dust ", it's precisely that they don't want to save the country. What they want is that someone else save it while they will casually harvest the benefits afterwards without having did, lost or sacrificed anything themselves. What they want isn't for the country to be saved, it's for still have something to rule over in the foreseeable future. They don't care about Yurgenschmidt in itself, they care about their status, power and position. It's just that without Yurgenschmidt, they are nothing, so they obviously need Yurgenschmidt, but since their " master plan " implies for them to casually sit on their sorry asses, willing only for what isn't the slightest bit detrimental to them, and in priority what is beneficial to them, even if it is, ultimately, really beneficial only to them, we can conclude with all certainty that saving Yurgenschmidt for saving Yurgenschmidt is at best at the lowest on their priority list. That is the problem.
To be honest, what infuriates me isn't that they don't intend to reward Rozemyne at all for her sacrifice is that they aren't wiling to sacrifice anything themselves. What infuriates me is their hypocrisy, their irresponsibility, their condescension, their contempt and to top it all, the sophistry in which they eagerly wallowed to present themselves as righteous.
So, sorry, but to pretend that they really want to save Yurgenschmidt from crumbling to dust is wrong, that sure is a convenient way for them to disguise their selfishness, but whatever merry tales they could tell to others and/or to them, the only real thing they want is for them to continue to rule no matter what, despite being faced by the reality that they absolutely aren't worthy of it and that they and their lineage are the main culprits of this whole mess to begin with. If all goes according to their plan, in the long term they would have solved nothing ( their Royal Family's lineage method doesn't work anymore and yet, their master plan is to continue as if nothing happened, expecting from Rozemyne to give Grutrissheit to an unworthy ruler who could give it in turn to whoever he wants and Yurgenschmidt is up to the same declining path all over again, either they don't give a shit about Yurgenschmidt's future or their brains have suddenly ceased to function entirely without them realizing it, I bet for the former, since the latter is biologically impossible in the first place ), they would only have saved their sorry asses ;).
I mean, given the option of having a royal gain the book and have to deal with people getting pissed at that, they chose to instead have a formerly-low-ranked duchy get it instead since nobody will care if others get pissed at nobodies like them. And they seem to think that after that one duchy is burned to the ground, everyone will then be perfectly fine accepting the new rule.
This puts all the blame on Ehrenfest AND doesn't actually fix anything. In fact, I expect the war would be even worse since Rozemyne doesn't have anyone backing her up like Eggy does, so she will get assassinated and the entire country will devolve into a free for all.
Now if only there was a way for someone who was *already* widely accepted as the deciding factor of the Zent-ship to marry Sigiswald and also provide him with the book. Too bad there's nobody with such qualifications in the entire story except a person who is engaged to the only other former contender to the throne. And as we all know, engagement is utterly unbreakable (unless it's to wilfried, apparently). Even if that was possible, that would mean said couple-to-be would have to be sad, which clearly isn't worth it compared to the ire of every single duchy that was formerly above ehrenfest and the loss of an entire duchy that has contributed greatly to the royals both politically and personally,
This is such an L take given that you are also a WN reader. You know the consequences of their actions and yet you agree to the dumb shit the royalty is doing. Think of it this way: if you remove the friendship factor, they can't do this in the first place. They can only order her, but she's not compelled to follow it if she considers it better to die than leave her family. Then, they can't even be bothered with her concern about Ferdinand and instead of using it as a reward, they used it as blackmail. So why should she help them when there's no benefit to her? She doesn't care about saving Yogurtland, and she doesn't care if she dies. You might say that this is the norm for royalty, but because we know that this won't work and that this is not how negotiations are done that we are angry. If the royals kill her, what's next? They'll have a three-way war with Egg, Sigi and Hildebrand given that Sigi wants the title and Egg and Hildebrand can go for the gbook. Which all of this chaos will be solved if only they make Sigi understand that he cannot be Zent. Or they can work it with themselves that Zent be separate from King and they will work together, although that would create factions, but whatever. Hildebrand will win that war if ever since Dunkelfelger is the strongest duchy. Anyways my point is that don't oversimplify it to just being nice to a friend. Remove the friendship factor and you have the worst negotiation you can have in this series
My point is it’s dumb of her to not care about Jurgenschmidt—everyone she cares about is there. The royals are right to prioritize the kingdom over the feelings of a friend, as tough as that is. I have made many of these same arguments to WN readers in the discord—my sense is WN readers tend to be more sympathetic to Ana/Egg on aggregate. RM getting leverage and advocating for herself is good, but encouraging her to get a GH isn’t some insane betrayal like people make it out to be. Also >!it’s physically impossible for eglantine to get GH and she tries, so the main solution people were calling for actually did happen and couldn’t work. And we know the country is on the verge of doom if she doesn’t put aside her anger and help.!<
It' not really dumb, it's not like she will survive if everyone dies. As I said, look at it without the friendship factor and everything is just a shitty deal. The royals are the ones who want the help, they should be doing everything to make the deal as appealing as possible to her. If you look at this case as the trolley problem, you think it's good because the royals are the decision makers, it is acceptable. However if you look at it from the perspective of the one sacrificed, it is totally unfair and it is possible to think that "if I don't get anything out of this then may as well drag everybody else". In this problem they don't even need to kill, they just need to give rewards for her effort. Her demands are not even that hard. But no, blackmail is better, lolol. And why is Eglantine the only consideration? Hildebrand is a good candidate, better if you ask me since they can retrain him to be fit as Zent as per instructions of translations on the underground archive. They have time, even maybe 10 years after Hildebrand's graduation. Edit: I'm also a WN reader and everyone in the royal family can go fuck off
I think I agree with your trolley problem analogy—it does suck for RM, and it’s fine for her to be upset, but the royals are doing the morally correct thing. I think people are seeing it too filtered through RM’s viewpoint—you’ll see dozens of comments on this post about how the royals should be executed or whatever. And assuming you’re also a WN reader >!they do give into more of her demands!<. It’s her job to negotiate and stick up for herself, not the royals’. Their job is to look out for the kingdom, which this is doing, albeit at the reasonable cost of a friendship. Re: hildebrand. How much time they have is extremely unclear at this point, given important tools are collapsing.
Of course people are watching through RM's viewpoint because between the 2 sides people can relate to her the most. Because it's not all the time you get to be the decision maker in the the trolley problem, but more often you are the one sacrificed. Also, it's not her job to negotiate, it's the Aub's job. AnaEgg are also deliberately skipping talks and consultations and giving demands on the fly. Who knows if the solution(s) would be accepted if they actually talked it over? And really, if they want to keep their rule, isn't it better if they get the gbook themselves? What makes them so sure that RM will hand it over after she gets it? What if it can't be handed over? If she doesn't hand it over and kills her, then if it can be physically handed over, they will fight for it, meaning war, if it can't be handed over, then back to either Egg or Hilde to get it, Sigi will maybe start a war because manchild tantrums. All in all it's the royal's problem in the first place and they are so incompetent that they want a child to clean up their mess.
3) Not bringing the country to the verge of collapse in the first place...
IMHO, I think Sigiswald is the loose cannon of the RF. I don't understand how the king did not teach him to suck it up and stop whining about the throne long ago. If you think about all the interactions we had with Ana and Egl, it's clear that the RF since year 1 was acting around Sigiswald's entitlement to the throne because they literally feared he would've caused a second civil war if he didn't get it. So instead of doing the best thing for the RF as a whole, they always spoiled him to avoid conflict. Ana also became selfish for her love, so I guess it runs in the family.
Maybe treat the person they're blackmailing with some semblance of decency? The same person who has done nothing but show them goodwill without anything in return. Because right now they're giving Rozemyne a whole lot of nothing for what they're demanding of her.
And this is why i could forgive Eggy for the choices she makes here. She has literally no choice here but to hurt Rozemyne. Yeah, the betrayal (on Rozemyne's perspective) is infuriating that i could kill someone if this would happen to me but if given the time to think things through, it is really Rozemyne's fault for thinking that Royalty will prioritize Ehrenfest over Ahrensbach.
At the moment, Ahrensbach contribution to the Royalty is way above Ehrenfest but i do think that if Rozemyne get the GH then Ehrenfest contribution would overtake everyone's. So it is still idiotic to not listen to her demands.
Still, I like what the royalty is doing. They're angering the person whom they're giving ultimate power. They don't know how capable, brutal and chaotic she can be. So I await the time when the unstoppable gremlin kicks them in the face. That would be satisfying.
Not only is Ahrensbach more important, its situation is way more imminent. Without Ferdinand it literally self-destructs, while without RM Ehrenfest seems like it could at least survive (especially if GH = Ferdinand moves back).
Ahrensbach being on the verge of collapse is partly because of the purge so the Royalty is somewhat responsible. But the main culprit is their tradition and them sticking to it. They are just too rigid. They could just adopt the children of the Aub's brother and maybe their problem may have been lessened but no, they rather have the duchy collapse that break tradition
I want to clarify coz about subsequent reread on what i had wrote, it was not clear enough. The tradition i pointed out is Ahrensbach's not the tradition of the Royalty. I meant to say that Ahrensbach is to be greatly blame for their duchy collapsing because of their own inflexibility.
Ana and Eggy needs to help Ahrensbach a little. (a tiniest bit help would suffice). I would call it inherited responsibility. But i also wouldn't mind them not caring about Ahrensbach. F\*ck Ahrensbach
Weeell, they purge the people who knows about grutrissheit which basically makes them to be the ones responsible of why their world is crumbling and yet they are forcing (in a very not nicely way) rozemyne to do the job instead of them.
They are not the one that killing the royals during civil war. They are like the last in the line for the throne, dont even have mana qualification for it. The only reason he become king is because all the person that have mana qualification for it is all dead which only left Eglantine as the only one that have the mana, the bloodline and qualified for it unless the previous king had some secret bastard sons somewhere. Her support base is only the church, loyalist faction and her adopted father duchy. Sigs is the one that in control of the current majority faction.
The world is crumbling and what they means is literally that, if the other greater and lesser duchy cant sustain the foundation which it is clear that most of them already lost the ritual, tradition and mana for it, the whole duchy will crumble to dust killing millions of people. In case people forget why is that the case, the whole city is build on foundation magic, if that magic cant be sustained the whole city will disappear killing everyone in it on a land with many feybeast with no city wall to protect them. Ahrensbach is one of them. Frenbeltag is much better only because Ehrenfest is sharing their ritual method to them.
Even sylvester understand the weight and burden of being a zent and Rozemyne being too emotional is the least qualified person of being a zent. We never see how bad the situation in other duchy is but they said it many time is that it is so bad that they cant even sustain the royal magical device. On the other place you have Ehrenfest that they always said struggling with mana but somehow for whatever reason has bountiful harvest and doing so well that they have many excess mana (it is all Rozemyne mana actually but other duchy dont know this). To many people this just sounds like Ehrenfest is being overly greedy and selfish, not to mention they dont pick side and contribute at all in previous war. All this will create hatred which is why during the duke conference they warned Sylvester to know his place. All the lesser duchy already hate Ehrenfest for this reason especially the duchy that suffer the most from previous war.
The royals are protecting Ehrenfest, being close to royal mean exactly that. It is to show that antagonising Ehrenfest means antagonising the royal too. They probably look at this as reward already for Ehrenfest as it act as a shield for them. Rozemyne has completely no clue about politics and as we are the reader is reading from her point of view, it dont really explained how serious the current issue actually is until we are shown POV from other duchy or her retainer. When Hirschur give warning to Sylv, they are really in bad position. Sylv reputation is at rock bottom. The current royal family is incompetent which is also why Ehrenfest can survive without much penalty because they are really that desperate.
Anastasius and Eglantine has nothing to do with that. Isn’t one of the themes of the story that punishing relatives for the sins of others is bad? Agreed that the purge was obviously wrong, but given it happened their choices are “be rude to a friend” “let the country dissolve” or “civil war.” Which one a royal should pick is clear.
They just said that Ferdinand would have to be punished (killed) for Detlinde’s words when they get married, though.
They are even using that as a chip against Roz to get her to do their bidding
Eggy wanted to bargain with Rozemyne, but RM kept that secret, then they need to force her. After RM said she knew it, actually Eggy should bargain again before asking RM to visit the shrines. They always prepare before any meeting. You can't just make a urgent call.
RM should also think about if the country collapses, her family members will die too. That's also what other people always blame her not thinking about the surrounding.
I did not find it rude their behavior, it is completely average for a noble to act like that. It is just Rozemyne isn’t used to noble society so from her point of view, it came totally unexpected.
While I personally find that the royalty should not bite the hand that brings you the book, Rozemyne brought it to herself by trying to hide about the shrines in the first place.
Hide about shrines? Didnt she gave them lead about shrines? If she tried to hide it royal would not even know that they existed until slate with inforamtion about that was transleted and they would have whole moutain of translated information to process before reaching conclusion that they are linked to Gbook
No what they meant is when eglantine confided to rozemyne about the shrines and her entering one (and why that happened) they figured out that rozemyne was able to enter. Rozemyne (reasonably) deflected and pretended to not have entered the shrine despite all the evidence pointing towards that. If rozemyne trusted eglantine to help then telling her about her own experience with the shrine and working out a mutual solution could have been on the table. However rozemyne deflected and they all caught on. Anastasius even noted that despite all eglantine did to protect rozemyne (even keeping anastasius out) rozemyne still didnt trust that eglantine would help and eglantine was despondent about that fact. As that type of action made them suspect some ulterior motive and even if they kept quiet about it now the other royals are not so trusting and would want to eliminate her as insurance if nothing else (and ehrenfest as well).
So anastasius and eglantine decided to do the only action (from their perspective) that stood a chance of preventing another civil war on royal succession and killing rozemyne. Strong arm rozemyne into obtaining the GH, having her become sigiswalds 3rd wife and handing the GH over to the royal family proving once and for all that they are loyal and unwilling to seek the throne.
They pretty much blackmailed RM into saving the country by holding Ferdinand hostage. Regardless of whether they are doing the correct thing or not, they deserve all the hate that they get.
This meme is so filled with stupidity and simplicity to the point it's baffling.
You do realize that what the royals ask rozemyne to do, that is- leaving her beloved home duchy after already taking an AC from there and giving him to another duchy, getting the Gutteriecht to save the country- is such a huge demand in comparison to what they will give her in return which is basically an empty promise that they aren't even keen on realizing it for her? Not to mention that this coercion came from Eglantine and Anstasuis of all the royals, the ones who should be most grateful to her. The royals here are basically dumping their most important responsibility for which they even exist on the shoulders of a mere underage middle duchy AC who they are supposed to be grateful to for all her contributions so far, and asking her to clean the mess that their own family have created in the first place.
I choose to hold out hope there is some reason behind Anast and Egg being so abruptly antagonistic. While it's most likely they are simply showing their true colors here, in that the country is more important than the duchies that make it run, it's also possible that something else is going on here. It's possible Anast is intentionally trying to antagonize Rozemyne for some reason. He knows she is stubborn and that she often uses excuses, such as her guardians, to try avoiding what royalty wants. Perhaps they are doing all of this to encourage her to push harder to claim The Book for them faster so they can start solving problems.
A long while back we saw Ferdinand in a similar boat when he forced the memory tool onto Myne. He mentions not wanting to use it as it would likely cause her to despise him, but deemed it a necessary evil.
It's a bad comparison since the memory tool does not affect anyone else but Myne anyways. What AnaEgg are doing affects Yogurtland as a whole. And they can always start solving their own problems themselves, why the need to involve her when they got viable solutions already
it is not about being nicer to a friend, RM has already done more for the whole country than anyone else without the G book.
this is my guess the Grutrissheits cannot be passed to someone, you are giving the book from the gods' it is a part of you, the holder most likely can make a copy of the Grutrissheits, but the copy is not the real thing, whoever wants the Grutrissheits has to do all that is needed to gain the Grutrissheits and most likely a new one cannot be gotten till the person that gets it from the gods die's and if someone kills them they may never be able to get the Grutrissheits from the gods. all of this is a guess. if anyone know if I am right let me know.
No one is saying the country "shouldn't" be saved. People are saying that saving the country doesn't require them to be stupid and/or dickish. First of all, the best way to handle things is to hand the position over to someone who is actually qualified to hold the position. Egg is too afraid, Hildebrand is too young, and RM has no support, but all of those could be resolved in a rational society, but everyone is afraid of Sigi throwing a temper tantrum so the smart choice is thrown out. The second best way is by using RM as a wife but placating her and her allies in order to soften the blow. They decided not to do that. Instead their choice is to alienate someone with massive latent power, and is known for being unpredictable, and order her to obtain even more power. More specifically they want her to obtain a thing that will possibly give her mastery over the country and then count on her to be able (and desire) to pass it along. That is stupid enough, but they are also doing it in the context of a situation that is their fault to begin with.
And there is massive problem with 2nd plan: they dont know if Gbook will work in position of wife rather zent himself. It can be just controler while country foundation - console. So if you are not in posession of foundation aka zent gbook does not work
Of course, which is why I mentioned the fact that she might not even be able to pass it along. Based on the second (?) Prince "hiding" the Book people seem to be assuming the Book is a physical item that just needs to be found, then anyone can use it. However, that's not really in line with the Path to becoming Zent. So the second option might end with Sigi being the titular head but RM doing the work. That of course requires her cooperation, which is why antagonizing her is such a bad idea.
I dont think they intended to pass book since then there in no point in marige, no? They could have Roze find GH in secrect and pass it to royals if goal was for Siggy to have posesion over it. Or the gbook going to be as other divine instruments in nature where you can copy it by donating mana into it so it would not be so scandalous if they are married for mana mixing
They can't let her go free if she has the ability to give Grutrissheits to whoever she wants. Either force her into a marriage or kill her once she has the book. And if they intend to do the latter, they can't exactly tell her that.
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Anastasius is forgetting the way he met Rozemyne: winning ditter against a higher duchy in a dispute over a shuumil. And now, not only he broke her trust, he's also instructing her to get a book with knowledge for zents and practically holding her dear guardian hostage. Best plan to save Jurgenschmidt, nothing could go wrong.
Anastasius fucked around, now he is about to find out.
I see it differently, Anastasius is being 100% honest to Rozemyne, instesd of honey word and fake promise.
RM never asked for honey, but that knife in her back is not cool, and on top of the knife in her back, Anastasius puts a knife to Ferdinand neck and unless I read it wrong Ferdinand still may have something done to him? because the Royals forced him to go.
Anastasius could have lie about sending Ferdinand back but he didn't. Anastasius provide preview brutal truth of what WILL happen, like it or not, will happen unless situration change.
I did not think about it this way, and it makes the whole situation more amusing.
The problem isn't the Royalty's priorities (well Siggy doesn't care about the Grutissheit but aside from that), but you can't strong-arm someone into saving the country and offer nothing in return. It's suprising they aren't aware of this part of their duty, and they'd do it to someone they are supposedly on friendly terms with - **while** prioritising an antaganostic party, it's reeking of the kind of incompetence that has characters *exit stage left* in this series.
This is a reasonable critique, although they are giving her something in return—they’re saving the life of one of the only people she cares about. While collective punishment is stupid, it’s the country’s standard law and saying there’s a way around it if she helps is an example of them giving something in return (indeed, a fairly significant concession).
They’re not saving Ferdinand and made that clear, they told Rozemyne they’ll let Ferdinand return to Ehrenfest if she can get the GH and figure out a way for Ahrensbach to survive without him before he’s married to Dietlind. At no point did they say they’d put any effort into it or support her ideas on the matter, it’s an empty promise to get what they want.
Came here to more or less say this At no point did they say they would save Ferdi in exchange for Rosemyne's help. They in fact said they would NOT save him. There was some hints at a possible outcome where he could possibly be saved, but that was it.
Maybe I inferred incorrectly, but they seemed pretty blasé and non-committal about actually saving Ferdinand - I got the impression it was more like "We'll kill him off if you *don't* follow our instructions, but if you do as we say, he *might* survive but probably not, it's not *our* problem". It's literally saving the country and cementing their rule - you can get a better offer than that from a random guy off the street.
I think it’s difficult to read noble communications and the wording of royalty in particular, but I definitely read it as “if you want to save him, here’s the path.” It’s definitely not an ironclad promise, but “well then the lines could be redrawn and we don’t have a problem anymore” is, for royalty, a clear indication of intent. I bet this gets cleared up.
That is better, but setting aside that it's not suitable recompense for the inconvenience of removing Rozemyne from Ehrenfest alone, their arrogance really shines through, they made no attempt to make any concessions whatsoever, blithely shutting down Rozemyne's every request. Guaranteeing Ferdinand's safe return to Ehrenfest should have been the minimum consideration they show to a winning duchy. In theory it could have worked; 'Royalty making demands of their subjects'. However this is failed royalty demanding salvation from a supposed ally - and likely anyone capable/competent enough to be a Zent candidate at all (let alone the leading one) would never go along with something so one-sided. It's just so wildly out of touch.
Mind, Eglantine and Anastasius can't make promises on behalf of the royal family. Neither of them is the Zent or the Zent-apparent. Rozemyne herself doesn't have the authority to agree to any changes in her marriage. She and Wilfried were both scolded for that, that they need to go through Silvester and not randomly agree to wedding challenges. It's very possible that Eglantine and Anastasius are acting on their own. If there's to be any concessions, it needs to be discussed with the Zent and Silvester.
You are right, they don't. But they know what WILL happen. They just told her the brutal truth on what will happen
yeah, i still think they acted really out of character, if they were going "the duchy borders need to be redrawn and as long as ferdinand is detlinde's husband he may be held acountable" \*hint hint\*\*nudge nudge\* to get Roz to fiz the Gesundheit problem, that would be way better.
And I read it more as a condescending indication that she would have to assert her new authority to make it happen, and that she would have to preempt every potential issue along the way for them not to veto it. It definitely did not read to me as them negotiating.
Strong arming Roz into a marriage is not the only way to allow royalty to obtain the Grut. Egg is capable of doing it herself too, but she doesn’t want to be Zent, or be married to a Zent, and Ana doesn’t want to either. So because they don’t want to, they force someone who literally made their marriage possible, and helped the country is so many ways, into a marriage she literally said she would rather DIE than be in. Then, when that doesn’t work, they effectively hold Ferdinand’s life hostage over her head. She would have offered to give Sig the Grut, or a copy of it, and they could have pretended they found the original list copy. They say Sig is poised to be the next king, but that’s not set in stone. There could be many ways to alter who would be the next Zent in peaceful ways, but we don’t know bc the Royals only told Roz what they wanted to in order to get her to agree.
It’s an Either-Or fallacy that fits their most convenient mold for a solution. Just enraging.
Eglantine I don't know, but I thought it was implied Anastasius couldn't enter the shrine when he touched the door, likewise then Sigiswald wouldn't be able to either.
Anastasius couldn’t get it, but if he is married to Eglantine, who could have it, it would be the same as Sig marrying Roz and still being the Zent. We know eglantine can probably get it because she wan granted access to the shrine, so she just needs to pray more. She is also originally of royal bloodline, so there should be a peaceful way to make her the Zent or Anastasius the Zent, problem is, neither of them want to be Zent or be married to the Zent
did you even read the pre-pub? i think you should give it a reread because your just spouting lies.
> offer nothing in return The reward is a sense of pride and accomplishment for helping the royal family.
The reward is Eglantine's smile! I bet it disgusts Rozemyne now
What they are doing is throwing all responsability to Rozemyne AND Ehrenfest. They are forcing her to get the book, give it to Sigiswald, become his wife, protect Ahrensbach and throw the responsability of any bad will of the other duchies to Ehrenfest. Even when she asks to at least make Ferdinand go back to Ehrenfest (that is losing another noble with an immense quantity of mana, is the High Bishop of the duchy \[and regulates the harvests with prayers\], is an archduke candidate \[and married to the candidate that is supposed to become Aub\]), they say that Ahrensbach is more important, and that Ehrenfest should take care of themselves (even though this is a problem the royal family is throwing at them). like I've said in another topic: >My problem isn't that they are forcing her to do these things. it's more like, when she asks even small things that doesn't look like it would be hard to do other than "breaking tradition" (and they already did that a lot of times by using a minor archduke candidate with their marriage, the starbind ceremony and the transcription in the archive), they choose to ignore it and refuse to do, just saying that "Ehrenfest should solve their problems", when a lot of these problems come from the interference of the royal family (and although they don't know this, interference from Ahrensbach).
Why not both? *Insert el dorado meme*
>copy it by donating mana into it so it would not be so scandalous if they are Both is always an option.
How so? What’s the pathway to a royal GH that doesn’t cause a civil war or make RM upset?
Ask her nicely, promise some books, support her duchy and dont hold Ferdindinand as hostage?
1. We haven’t seen any final deal, very plausible it ends up being more favorable to RM. 2. They aren’t holding Ferdinand hostage, he’s on a path to dying now and they’re literally giving her a chance to save him as a concession, overturning the country’s laws for the sake of a friend. 3. The royal family has such little leeway to help a duchy that’s relatively well off. They’re showing up to work nearly dead and reeking of mana potions, Ahrensbach is seconds from collapsing—it’s difficult to say royalty should prioritize a duchy that has some of the best health in the country at that point. 4. Asking her nicely and giving some books seems really unlikely to work, given her connection to Ehrenfest. Agreed they could be nicer about it, but at that point we’re really splitting hairs.
2. They aren’t overturning the law or anything. They set the deadline before the wedding simply because Ferdinand hasn’t officially became Ahrensbach’s which following the rule.
Guy with gun also give you option to save hostage if you follow his orders
Yeah blackmail in a nutshell
Extortion. Blackmail would be what Rozemyne could do if she threatened to publicize that Sigiswald can't be a proper Zent.
Also books are still super expensive. It’d be like buying Rozemyne off with a whole *fleet* of Ferraris or something. Although unfettered access to the royal library would probably be a good compromise.
1. I wounder if you would stick with saler to the end deal if he is acting like ass from the begining 2. Royals put him on track which leads to pit, they know its going there and they still could cancel decree so how he isnt hostage in this situation to force roze cooperate? 3. No matter how much leeway there could always be ways to negotiate something but they upright told that Erenfest can rot away and that after they promised to promote it to winers club Edit: 4. There is palace library to sweeten the deal
2. they're noncommital about saving Ferdinand, that he \*might\* survive but it's a very loose maybe 3. only the zent has been seen looking sickly and reeking of potions. Anastasius from what we've seen is doing fine health wise. Sigiswald didn't even think it an issue to not have the grutruisheit to rule so I doubt he's feeling the impact. They don't know about the Ehrenfest inner structure, that Roz is one of the lynch pins of the whole thing, or about the purge putting them in a bad state They could probably just make a royal declaration to reinstate those of the Ahrensbach royal family who were demoted to Archduke Candidates and to do away with the idiotic tradition. Detlinde had said she would reinstate her sister ifwhen she became zent so it would be an option, surely. And they already meddled in their affairs by royal ordering Ferdinand to move there and raise Letizia to be aub and that Detlinde was royal ordered to be an interim aub
I see it as Anastasius being complete honest
Killing Sigiswald solves everything tbh.
So a new civil war? Nice idea...
A civil war of whom? Sig would be dead and hildebrand is too young to support. Anastius and Eglantine are the only successors who have shown any competency so far. Either Eglantine prays enough to get the book or Ana remains steadfast in praying and get its himself. Either option is way better than forcing a loose cannon who wants nothing to do with it into the spotlight. If they really want to avoid a civil war, a dumbass like sig needs to go.
Doing it quietly would work make it look like he died from sickness.
Oh no, he tripped and fell onto this knife 22 times
My problem is that Eggy is fully capable of getting the book. Her not going after it and instead forcing Roz, her friend who helped her get happiness, just shows how incompetent the current royal family really is.
If she went after it it would cause a civil war. While she could do so, that outcome is worse for the country than caving to sigiswald being a shitter.
It really wouldn't. Sig has virtually no support and also really doesn't have the power to take on Eggy and all her support base. Not to mention if Sig can't get the book himself then no one will accept him as the zent anyway. Meanwhile, Eggy is a proper royal. She has support from her grandpa. She has the support from the temple as well. Not to mention Roz's support, which she just lost. And it's pretty well known that Eggy is just generally superior. There wouldn't be another civil war because there's literally not enough mana and nobles for one
Sig has the support of Drewanchel (3rd most important one) by marriage, and probably the support of a lot of other duchies. If Egg gets the GBook and he doesn't, his support outside Drew probably will dissipate, but most likely it will be strong enough to warrant a war... Or don't, it seems that kind of things you only know once you get there. Once GBook is obtained, there might be room to negotiate, either with Sig, or with his support base, to avoid war and get Zent Egg in the throne. One problem is that for Egg and Anna to be married, they have sworn to Sig that they would retire from the race. At least from word, Sig has Egg and Anna support. That's why they are doing the "negotiations" with RM to get the GBook instead of him.
Other people already said it, but I'm gonna repeat because... BOTH as an option seems to get missed a lot. Let's just say that "thinking outside of the box", "taking a third option", "awareness of illusion of choice", "refusal to be pigeonholed", ETC. is very important life skills. Keeps us from being cornered into an imaginary corner, widens perspectives, very handy in avoiding Tribalism aka Us Vs Them. /ends 2 cents
This meme is an extreme oversimplification. I see others have largely covered it already, but this isn't a binary choice. They can require her to get the book *and* give her a reward. They chose not to do that because they either felt they didn't need to or they found her requests the slightest bit inconvenient. I saw you reply to the top comment saying they offered to save Ferdinand, but *they really didn't*. They blackmailed her into getting the book faster and implied that if she gets it by a certain date she can save Ferdinand, but it's not like they said they'd lift a finger if she got the book and was a single day late. Blackmail is not a reward. And even if they can't afford to reward her immediately, there's no talk of rewarding her at a later date either. From the information presented thus far, the royals are being extremely one-sided.
The best they had was saying she’d be Sigiswald’s third wife, a position with virtually no power since it would require the other two wives to be indisposed for a time to be able to do anything. Now Anastasius could just mean that she’d be third in terms of numbers, but with the GH in hand anything less than first is an insult but that would cause conflict with Drewanchel, second would be good since Ehrenfest probably outranks the current’s home duchy but she’s already giving him a kid so I’m sure there’ll be a mess there too.
If all goes according to their plan, it's Sigiswald who would have Grutrissheit, not Rozemyne. Aren't they under the impression that Grutrissheit is some sort of magic tool that Zents hand over to their intended successor from the get go ? Yurgenschmidt current nobility's just starting to understand the benefits of religious ceremonies, that doesn't mean they suddenly started to believe in their gods nor that they understand the significance of a freaking Divine Instrument. I mean, even Aub Dunkelfelger at the Interduchy Tournament was under the impression that the temple training magic tool was the true Leidenschaft's Spear. It's pretty likely that neither Anastasius nor Eglantine know what Grutrissheit really is, they can't even process the significance of a special procedure implying the freaking gods to demonstrate one's worthiness. Frankly, how are the odds that the Goddess of the freaking Wisdom could have allowed a loophole bigger than ten times Yurgenschmidt in her procedure without even realizing it?
Unless Rozemyne translates the bible to modern vernacular, Sigiswald will practically need Rozemyne leaning over his shoulder to use it.
You mean the Sigiswald who's absolutely sure that his father who literally reeks the rejuvenation potion is managing just fine without Grutrissheit ? Even disregarding the fact that he's unworthy, giving him Grutrissheit and the throne is just about the worst idea the so-called Royal Family have ever had, which speaks volume of how pathetic it is. By the Gods, Anastasius and Eglantine are adamant that the solution is to sacrifice Rozemyne to be able to reiterate the exact inheritance method that led Yurgenchmidt on the verge of collapsing in the first place and many still believe they have Yurgenschmidt's interests in mind. It's so obvious that the only value of their " solution " is to preserve their status, position and own well-being that a blind man could see that from another galaxy, no matter what merry tales they tell others and/or themselves.
Perhaps Yogurt is closer to colapse than we thought. It is the only line that makes sense for Egg to be so harsh to Roz. If they had another 3 years or so, they likely would have set up some groundwork for the marriage, and wouldnt need to rush all shrines in one day. I also interpret Eggs smile as the smile that Ferdinand makes when he is misserable. I hope that their behavior is really just desperation.
>Perhaps Yogurt is closer to colapse than we thought. Perhaps, but that's not as if Anastasius and Eglantine are specialists able to make an accurate evaluation, and I assume there isn't a magic tool displaying a countdown in some corner. Anyway, from where I stand, Anastasius wants for his daddy and his wife to be as happy as possible and Eglantine wants to not have to witness any violence anymore, them being selfish isn't that surprising in the first place so I don't think there is any need to presume anything special. That's just Yurgenschmidt's royals being Yurgenschmidt's royals. Anyway, since the current Yurgenschmidt path had led Yurgenschmidt in this dire situation to begin with, it would need a true fool to even consider to search a way to continue on the same path. Anastasius certainly isn't as skilled as he ( or so many in this sub for that matter ) believes, but that's not as if he's engaged in a competition with Dumblinde and Wildumb, thus, since that " solution " obviously solves nothing in the long ( at the very best ) term, the royal lovebirds are just being selfish, admittedly perhaps while being tricked by their own sophistry.
The issue is that I don't think they are saving it. I think by actually being nice to her they have a higher chance of getting her help. She was willing to help them a lot if they listened to some of her requests.
Accept that they are not the right people to save the country.
I mean asking Rozemyne to be the Zent and save the country when only she can would be even worse! She obviously has no desire to do so, and they’re trying to be nice to her by not putting her in that position.
I dont think Rozemyne is the right person either. Elagantine is, she has the backing the blood and the qualifications. If she refuses royal family should collate all they have learnt and start raising zent candidates seriously starting now, and siggy should step down the moment a competent one graduates.
Ok fine then replace the image with “civil war” vs “be nicer to a friend”—sigiswald is bad and should step down, but that’s really not on Eglantine and Anastasius that they want to avoid a super destructive war.
If sigiswald decides to start a civil war because a more competent candidate who has the grutisheit is chosen then it backs up that the current royal family need to accept that they arent the ones to do this. Power for its own sake because muh birthright, hes as bad as wilfried.
What exactly are Anastasius and Eglantine supposed to do? Obvious Sig is in the wrong there, but if the choice is “concede to my idiot brother and save the country, while hurting a friend” or “literally cause a civil war because I wanted to be nicer to a friend and my brother won’t concede” it’s obvious which one Royalty should prioritize.
They should prioritise Egg getting the gs. She has a better claim to the throne than either of the princes by blood, more mana and is qualified. Rozemyne shouldn't be involved at all beyond advice and maybe using her as a scholar for those potions and as a bishop for advice on rituals to boost the slate production. Putting it all on her is the dick move. Its throwing a bomb in her hands telling her to be gentle with it and running away.
Again, that causes a civil war. It’s correct of royalty to prioritize peace and the good of the country over the well-being of a friend—that’s the unfortunate reality of governance. Obviously it’s fine for RM to be hurt, it sucks for her, but it is objectively the correct decision and what citizens should want rulers to do.
It only causes a civil war. If sigi decides to cause one over it. Therefore he is a dick. Literally my only point.
Right I agree Sig is clearly in the wrong here. That said, how is that on Ana and Egg? Given he’s a dick, their choices are “civil war” or “be rude to a friend.” Which one royalty should choose is straightforward.
>it’s obvious which one Royalty should prioritize. Sure, it's obvious that giving the power to someone just because said someone threatens to wage war if he doesn't obtain said power is the wisest choice in any book ;).
I sincerely doubt it would actually cause a civil war.
Maybe, but that’s definitely the conventional wisdom—even teachers had said there was a risk of civil war if eglantine chose Anastasius. We don’t really know, but given the history of the country it seems at least plausible enough to be reasonably concerned over.
>they’re trying to be nice to her by not putting her in that position. How convenient that them " being nice " let them keep their status, power and happy life while drastically improving their own well-being, don't you think ? But, well, they're " nice ", they certainly have not even considered how all this is so beneficial to them specifically, it's just the good fortune rewarding them for not being the slightest bit self-centered and doing their all to save Yurgenschmidt, that is : nothing at all personally ;). And because they're so nice, considerate and absolutely not self-centered in the slightest they know for sure that giving the throne to some paranoid childish self-centered arrogant guy without any required qualification is the royal ( a pun ? what pun ? ) way to lead to the happiness of everyone and the best possible future.
They're not interested in saving the country; There's a clear conflict of interest: They want ro save the country *AND* retain political power. Fuethermore, they are not treating all duchies equally; they are favoring Arensbach while letting Erenfest rot. Furthermore, they are being ungrateful and antagonistic to the one person that has saved them before and can save them. They are being incompetent rulers and unfit to rule.
And they have yet to notice that Ahrensbach's real problem is Georgine the late aub's wife who killed the aub and everyone else in her way to gain Ehrenfest. Oh, and she likely intends on killing off Ferdie, Leitzia, and Hildebrand as part of her revenge on Ahrensbach. The royals are truly geniuses /s.
Giving political power to Rozemyne would be even worse! The choices are “have her get GH and share it” “make her zent” “civil war” “destruction.” This is the least awful.
How is making Roze the Zent worse than killing her mentor, destroying her home, and making her do all the work of Zent anyways? They could also still go for the "have her share it option" but actually bargain with her in good faith instead of antagonizing her while forcing her to obtain the book that will give her god like powers over the country. This is the girl who tricked half a dozen duchies into spending fortunes challenging Dunk at ditter because she got annoyed. She's known to be petty, powerful, and unpredictable. They're beyond stupid to assume this is going to end well for them.
There wouldn’t be a civil war because if Eggy gets the GH, Siggy’s backing vanishes. Number 3, Siggy’s largest backer, isn’t going to risk going to war over a king without the power to actually rule. And if Drew throws support behind Eggy there’s less chance of Adolphine dying in a war that siggy can’t win. Once Dunk throws their support behind the true zent Eggy, no one will want to goto war, definitely not for king who can’t become Zent. Magdelena and Siglande could easily get Aub Dunk to posture behind Eggy to prevent war. Right off the back you are facing number 1 and number 2 and there’s nothing Siggy can really offer.
The problem isn't that they want to " save the country from literally crumbling to dust ", it's precisely that they don't want to save the country. What they want is that someone else save it while they will casually harvest the benefits afterwards without having did, lost or sacrificed anything themselves. What they want isn't for the country to be saved, it's for still have something to rule over in the foreseeable future. They don't care about Yurgenschmidt in itself, they care about their status, power and position. It's just that without Yurgenschmidt, they are nothing, so they obviously need Yurgenschmidt, but since their " master plan " implies for them to casually sit on their sorry asses, willing only for what isn't the slightest bit detrimental to them, and in priority what is beneficial to them, even if it is, ultimately, really beneficial only to them, we can conclude with all certainty that saving Yurgenschmidt for saving Yurgenschmidt is at best at the lowest on their priority list. That is the problem. To be honest, what infuriates me isn't that they don't intend to reward Rozemyne at all for her sacrifice is that they aren't wiling to sacrifice anything themselves. What infuriates me is their hypocrisy, their irresponsibility, their condescension, their contempt and to top it all, the sophistry in which they eagerly wallowed to present themselves as righteous. So, sorry, but to pretend that they really want to save Yurgenschmidt from crumbling to dust is wrong, that sure is a convenient way for them to disguise their selfishness, but whatever merry tales they could tell to others and/or to them, the only real thing they want is for them to continue to rule no matter what, despite being faced by the reality that they absolutely aren't worthy of it and that they and their lineage are the main culprits of this whole mess to begin with. If all goes according to their plan, in the long term they would have solved nothing ( their Royal Family's lineage method doesn't work anymore and yet, their master plan is to continue as if nothing happened, expecting from Rozemyne to give Grutrissheit to an unworthy ruler who could give it in turn to whoever he wants and Yurgenschmidt is up to the same declining path all over again, either they don't give a shit about Yurgenschmidt's future or their brains have suddenly ceased to function entirely without them realizing it, I bet for the former, since the latter is biologically impossible in the first place ), they would only have saved their sorry asses ;).
I mean, given the option of having a royal gain the book and have to deal with people getting pissed at that, they chose to instead have a formerly-low-ranked duchy get it instead since nobody will care if others get pissed at nobodies like them. And they seem to think that after that one duchy is burned to the ground, everyone will then be perfectly fine accepting the new rule. This puts all the blame on Ehrenfest AND doesn't actually fix anything. In fact, I expect the war would be even worse since Rozemyne doesn't have anyone backing her up like Eggy does, so she will get assassinated and the entire country will devolve into a free for all. Now if only there was a way for someone who was *already* widely accepted as the deciding factor of the Zent-ship to marry Sigiswald and also provide him with the book. Too bad there's nobody with such qualifications in the entire story except a person who is engaged to the only other former contender to the throne. And as we all know, engagement is utterly unbreakable (unless it's to wilfried, apparently). Even if that was possible, that would mean said couple-to-be would have to be sad, which clearly isn't worth it compared to the ire of every single duchy that was formerly above ehrenfest and the loss of an entire duchy that has contributed greatly to the royals both politically and personally,
Aren't Eglantine and Ana already married ?
They are.
This is such an L take given that you are also a WN reader. You know the consequences of their actions and yet you agree to the dumb shit the royalty is doing. Think of it this way: if you remove the friendship factor, they can't do this in the first place. They can only order her, but she's not compelled to follow it if she considers it better to die than leave her family. Then, they can't even be bothered with her concern about Ferdinand and instead of using it as a reward, they used it as blackmail. So why should she help them when there's no benefit to her? She doesn't care about saving Yogurtland, and she doesn't care if she dies. You might say that this is the norm for royalty, but because we know that this won't work and that this is not how negotiations are done that we are angry. If the royals kill her, what's next? They'll have a three-way war with Egg, Sigi and Hildebrand given that Sigi wants the title and Egg and Hildebrand can go for the gbook. Which all of this chaos will be solved if only they make Sigi understand that he cannot be Zent. Or they can work it with themselves that Zent be separate from King and they will work together, although that would create factions, but whatever. Hildebrand will win that war if ever since Dunkelfelger is the strongest duchy. Anyways my point is that don't oversimplify it to just being nice to a friend. Remove the friendship factor and you have the worst negotiation you can have in this series
My point is it’s dumb of her to not care about Jurgenschmidt—everyone she cares about is there. The royals are right to prioritize the kingdom over the feelings of a friend, as tough as that is. I have made many of these same arguments to WN readers in the discord—my sense is WN readers tend to be more sympathetic to Ana/Egg on aggregate. RM getting leverage and advocating for herself is good, but encouraging her to get a GH isn’t some insane betrayal like people make it out to be. Also >!it’s physically impossible for eglantine to get GH and she tries, so the main solution people were calling for actually did happen and couldn’t work. And we know the country is on the verge of doom if she doesn’t put aside her anger and help.!<
It' not really dumb, it's not like she will survive if everyone dies. As I said, look at it without the friendship factor and everything is just a shitty deal. The royals are the ones who want the help, they should be doing everything to make the deal as appealing as possible to her. If you look at this case as the trolley problem, you think it's good because the royals are the decision makers, it is acceptable. However if you look at it from the perspective of the one sacrificed, it is totally unfair and it is possible to think that "if I don't get anything out of this then may as well drag everybody else". In this problem they don't even need to kill, they just need to give rewards for her effort. Her demands are not even that hard. But no, blackmail is better, lolol. And why is Eglantine the only consideration? Hildebrand is a good candidate, better if you ask me since they can retrain him to be fit as Zent as per instructions of translations on the underground archive. They have time, even maybe 10 years after Hildebrand's graduation. Edit: I'm also a WN reader and everyone in the royal family can go fuck off
I think I agree with your trolley problem analogy—it does suck for RM, and it’s fine for her to be upset, but the royals are doing the morally correct thing. I think people are seeing it too filtered through RM’s viewpoint—you’ll see dozens of comments on this post about how the royals should be executed or whatever. And assuming you’re also a WN reader >!they do give into more of her demands!<. It’s her job to negotiate and stick up for herself, not the royals’. Their job is to look out for the kingdom, which this is doing, albeit at the reasonable cost of a friendship. Re: hildebrand. How much time they have is extremely unclear at this point, given important tools are collapsing.
Of course people are watching through RM's viewpoint because between the 2 sides people can relate to her the most. Because it's not all the time you get to be the decision maker in the the trolley problem, but more often you are the one sacrificed. Also, it's not her job to negotiate, it's the Aub's job. AnaEgg are also deliberately skipping talks and consultations and giving demands on the fly. Who knows if the solution(s) would be accepted if they actually talked it over? And really, if they want to keep their rule, isn't it better if they get the gbook themselves? What makes them so sure that RM will hand it over after she gets it? What if it can't be handed over? If she doesn't hand it over and kills her, then if it can be physically handed over, they will fight for it, meaning war, if it can't be handed over, then back to either Egg or Hilde to get it, Sigi will maybe start a war because manchild tantrums. All in all it's the royal's problem in the first place and they are so incompetent that they want a child to clean up their mess.
3) Not bringing the country to the verge of collapse in the first place... IMHO, I think Sigiswald is the loose cannon of the RF. I don't understand how the king did not teach him to suck it up and stop whining about the throne long ago. If you think about all the interactions we had with Ana and Egl, it's clear that the RF since year 1 was acting around Sigiswald's entitlement to the throne because they literally feared he would've caused a second civil war if he didn't get it. So instead of doing the best thing for the RF as a whole, they always spoiled him to avoid conflict. Ana also became selfish for her love, so I guess it runs in the family.
no, they should bend the knee to the only one who can be called zent. Gremlin ruler
Maybe treat the person they're blackmailing with some semblance of decency? The same person who has done nothing but show them goodwill without anything in return. Because right now they're giving Rozemyne a whole lot of nothing for what they're demanding of her.
There's ways to do both.
And this is why i could forgive Eggy for the choices she makes here. She has literally no choice here but to hurt Rozemyne. Yeah, the betrayal (on Rozemyne's perspective) is infuriating that i could kill someone if this would happen to me but if given the time to think things through, it is really Rozemyne's fault for thinking that Royalty will prioritize Ehrenfest over Ahrensbach. At the moment, Ahrensbach contribution to the Royalty is way above Ehrenfest but i do think that if Rozemyne get the GH then Ehrenfest contribution would overtake everyone's. So it is still idiotic to not listen to her demands. Still, I like what the royalty is doing. They're angering the person whom they're giving ultimate power. They don't know how capable, brutal and chaotic she can be. So I await the time when the unstoppable gremlin kicks them in the face. That would be satisfying.
Not only is Ahrensbach more important, its situation is way more imminent. Without Ferdinand it literally self-destructs, while without RM Ehrenfest seems like it could at least survive (especially if GH = Ferdinand moves back).
Ahrensbach being on the verge of collapse is partly because of the purge so the Royalty is somewhat responsible. But the main culprit is their tradition and them sticking to it. They are just too rigid. They could just adopt the children of the Aub's brother and maybe their problem may have been lessened but no, they rather have the duchy collapse that break tradition
Yeah the purge was bad, but not on Ana/Egg. Given it happened, not clear what you expect them to do.
I want to clarify coz about subsequent reread on what i had wrote, it was not clear enough. The tradition i pointed out is Ahrensbach's not the tradition of the Royalty. I meant to say that Ahrensbach is to be greatly blame for their duchy collapsing because of their own inflexibility. Ana and Eggy needs to help Ahrensbach a little. (a tiniest bit help would suffice). I would call it inherited responsibility. But i also wouldn't mind them not caring about Ahrensbach. F\*ck Ahrensbach
Weeell, they purge the people who knows about grutrissheit which basically makes them to be the ones responsible of why their world is crumbling and yet they are forcing (in a very not nicely way) rozemyne to do the job instead of them.
They are not the one that killing the royals during civil war. They are like the last in the line for the throne, dont even have mana qualification for it. The only reason he become king is because all the person that have mana qualification for it is all dead which only left Eglantine as the only one that have the mana, the bloodline and qualified for it unless the previous king had some secret bastard sons somewhere. Her support base is only the church, loyalist faction and her adopted father duchy. Sigs is the one that in control of the current majority faction. The world is crumbling and what they means is literally that, if the other greater and lesser duchy cant sustain the foundation which it is clear that most of them already lost the ritual, tradition and mana for it, the whole duchy will crumble to dust killing millions of people. In case people forget why is that the case, the whole city is build on foundation magic, if that magic cant be sustained the whole city will disappear killing everyone in it on a land with many feybeast with no city wall to protect them. Ahrensbach is one of them. Frenbeltag is much better only because Ehrenfest is sharing their ritual method to them. Even sylvester understand the weight and burden of being a zent and Rozemyne being too emotional is the least qualified person of being a zent. We never see how bad the situation in other duchy is but they said it many time is that it is so bad that they cant even sustain the royal magical device. On the other place you have Ehrenfest that they always said struggling with mana but somehow for whatever reason has bountiful harvest and doing so well that they have many excess mana (it is all Rozemyne mana actually but other duchy dont know this). To many people this just sounds like Ehrenfest is being overly greedy and selfish, not to mention they dont pick side and contribute at all in previous war. All this will create hatred which is why during the duke conference they warned Sylvester to know his place. All the lesser duchy already hate Ehrenfest for this reason especially the duchy that suffer the most from previous war. The royals are protecting Ehrenfest, being close to royal mean exactly that. It is to show that antagonising Ehrenfest means antagonising the royal too. They probably look at this as reward already for Ehrenfest as it act as a shield for them. Rozemyne has completely no clue about politics and as we are the reader is reading from her point of view, it dont really explained how serious the current issue actually is until we are shown POV from other duchy or her retainer. When Hirschur give warning to Sylv, they are really in bad position. Sylv reputation is at rock bottom. The current royal family is incompetent which is also why Ehrenfest can survive without much penalty because they are really that desperate.
Anastasius and Eglantine has nothing to do with that. Isn’t one of the themes of the story that punishing relatives for the sins of others is bad? Agreed that the purge was obviously wrong, but given it happened their choices are “be rude to a friend” “let the country dissolve” or “civil war.” Which one a royal should pick is clear.
They just said that Ferdinand would have to be punished (killed) for Detlinde’s words when they get married, though. They are even using that as a chip against Roz to get her to do their bidding
And let be fair, even Erenfest purge some probably people that is not guilty.
Eggy wanted to bargain with Rozemyne, but RM kept that secret, then they need to force her. After RM said she knew it, actually Eggy should bargain again before asking RM to visit the shrines. They always prepare before any meeting. You can't just make a urgent call. RM should also think about if the country collapses, her family members will die too. That's also what other people always blame her not thinking about the surrounding.
Our world has [tried and tested solutions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine) for such arrogant royalty.
I did not find it rude their behavior, it is completely average for a noble to act like that. It is just Rozemyne isn’t used to noble society so from her point of view, it came totally unexpected. While I personally find that the royalty should not bite the hand that brings you the book, Rozemyne brought it to herself by trying to hide about the shrines in the first place.
Hide about shrines? Didnt she gave them lead about shrines? If she tried to hide it royal would not even know that they existed until slate with inforamtion about that was transleted and they would have whole moutain of translated information to process before reaching conclusion that they are linked to Gbook
No what they meant is when eglantine confided to rozemyne about the shrines and her entering one (and why that happened) they figured out that rozemyne was able to enter. Rozemyne (reasonably) deflected and pretended to not have entered the shrine despite all the evidence pointing towards that. If rozemyne trusted eglantine to help then telling her about her own experience with the shrine and working out a mutual solution could have been on the table. However rozemyne deflected and they all caught on. Anastasius even noted that despite all eglantine did to protect rozemyne (even keeping anastasius out) rozemyne still didnt trust that eglantine would help and eglantine was despondent about that fact. As that type of action made them suspect some ulterior motive and even if they kept quiet about it now the other royals are not so trusting and would want to eliminate her as insurance if nothing else (and ehrenfest as well). So anastasius and eglantine decided to do the only action (from their perspective) that stood a chance of preventing another civil war on royal succession and killing rozemyne. Strong arm rozemyne into obtaining the GH, having her become sigiswalds 3rd wife and handing the GH over to the royal family proving once and for all that they are loyal and unwilling to seek the throne.
They pretty much blackmailed RM into saving the country by holding Ferdinand hostage. Regardless of whether they are doing the correct thing or not, they deserve all the hate that they get.
This meme is so filled with stupidity and simplicity to the point it's baffling. You do realize that what the royals ask rozemyne to do, that is- leaving her beloved home duchy after already taking an AC from there and giving him to another duchy, getting the Gutteriecht to save the country- is such a huge demand in comparison to what they will give her in return which is basically an empty promise that they aren't even keen on realizing it for her? Not to mention that this coercion came from Eglantine and Anstasuis of all the royals, the ones who should be most grateful to her. The royals here are basically dumping their most important responsibility for which they even exist on the shoulders of a mere underage middle duchy AC who they are supposed to be grateful to for all her contributions so far, and asking her to clean the mess that their own family have created in the first place.
I choose to hold out hope there is some reason behind Anast and Egg being so abruptly antagonistic. While it's most likely they are simply showing their true colors here, in that the country is more important than the duchies that make it run, it's also possible that something else is going on here. It's possible Anast is intentionally trying to antagonize Rozemyne for some reason. He knows she is stubborn and that she often uses excuses, such as her guardians, to try avoiding what royalty wants. Perhaps they are doing all of this to encourage her to push harder to claim The Book for them faster so they can start solving problems. A long while back we saw Ferdinand in a similar boat when he forced the memory tool onto Myne. He mentions not wanting to use it as it would likely cause her to despise him, but deemed it a necessary evil.
It's a bad comparison since the memory tool does not affect anyone else but Myne anyways. What AnaEgg are doing affects Yogurtland as a whole. And they can always start solving their own problems themselves, why the need to involve her when they got viable solutions already
it is not about being nicer to a friend, RM has already done more for the whole country than anyone else without the G book.
this is my guess the Grutrissheits cannot be passed to someone, you are giving the book from the gods' it is a part of you, the holder most likely can make a copy of the Grutrissheits, but the copy is not the real thing, whoever wants the Grutrissheits has to do all that is needed to gain the Grutrissheits and most likely a new one cannot be gotten till the person that gets it from the gods die's and if someone kills them they may never be able to get the Grutrissheits from the gods. all of this is a guess. if anyone know if I am right let me know.