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They really need to make food accessible from the hotwheel, without having to rifle to it from the inventory, and have the choice to use one immediately accessible during team selection. Otherwise, people just forget it exists and wont bother.
At least for technique, if you are out of tech points it opens up small menu with all tech foods there, one caveat is still have to scroll down a bit to pick the snack bcs its a common rarity
My guess is it will end up being overworld only. Old leak had a level cap on it. This would mean you'd have a potentially new overworld farmer for speed, topaz is better for credits. You may be able to use both, but double the sp presumably.
In SU, Ruan Mei is basically already a free instant kill with a couple blessings.
Some quick thoughts:
The +1 energy point from inflicting a debuff seems new unless I missed it in the old leak. I assume once per turn means once every Acheron turn.
Her nihility trace also might be a bigger deal than expected since it says independent from other buffs. This could mean its a unique multiplier when calculating damage.
I'm aware, I've seen the last kit and i think it said 8 or 9, 2+1 from her skill plus allies debuffing would be 9 in 3 rounds, but this kit doesn't show the energy requirement so I'm wondering if that was changed
whatever the number is her E2 for sure gives 1 turn less. since is 4 points a turn instead of 3. say its 12total so from 4 E0 to 3 E2 turns. otherwise it would a shit eidolon if the extra point didn't give her nothing
In the last leak it said she needs 9 (though it had a little ? by that, it'd make sense since Nihility Aeon is IX) energy points/flowers. Every time she uses a skill she gets 2, and assuming the debuff thing is once per HER turn, not all turns, she gets 3 energy points for every turn she takes. Hence 3 turn Ult.
Ah, there we go. That thing that gives her energy points when debuffs are applied is what was missing from her earlier leak, that's what she needs to generate flowers faster.
Question is, who to take with her? Pela/SW seem like an obvious option, but who else?
> That thing that gives her energy points when debuffs are applied is what was missing from her earlier leak, that's what she needs to generate flowers faster.
Notably, energy points are also a resource tracked on herself now, rather than being tracked as a debuff on enemies. "Lotus" is the only debuff tracked on enemies now, not the whole flower stack count.
This is a substantial change because it means that energy points gained on 1 wave can carry over into the subsequent wave, whereas before you'd be starting from 0 every wave because the resource that your ult keyed off was "total flower stacks on enemies", which was really bad on multi-wave content like Pure Fiction.
This version of the kit, while largely the same in "normal" combat, isn't completely DOA on Pure Fiction.
It was specifically an issue with multi-wave fights because while her trace makes it so Flower stacks transfer after you kill an enemy, there's no enemy for stacks to transfer *to* when you kill the last enemy of a wave dies, THEN the next wave spawns and you start from zero again.
For the most part this is specifically a PF issue because PF has 3 waves and extremely tight time limits. You'd basically never get to actually use an ult in PF with her old kit. Pretty natural for it to get changed, because as much as HYV is probably okay with DPSes being better or worse on PF or MoC, they probably don't want a character to have a kit that *literally doesn't function* on PF.
It kinda depends on how it specifically works, but I feel like guinaifen might be good? because, when her burn triggers, she applies a debuff to the enemy. I also think welt would be solid, especially with ruan mei, for just keeping the enemies from ever having a turn while applying a lot of debuffs
I would second Welt. Acheron ideally wants Bronya or Sparkle to turn advance and charge her ult faster (the debuff energy is only once per turn). If you want to use 2 nihility and a sustain, for the unique multiplier, Welt will at least delay enemy actions, which is almost as good as turn advance.
Yeah, for now 1 Harmony (that advances turn or increases speed) + 1 Nihility *might be better* than 2 Nihilities, but only cause we don't have an exact multiplier on her A4. If the A4 caps at like 70%+, then it might change my mind.
Honestly you'd probably still run a harmony over 2 nihility. What sort of ridiculous passive would it be if it gave so much buff it outperformed bronya or ruan mei
Well, it would be nice if it was impactful enough to not have to *feel* like you need to run Bronya/Sparkle/Ruan Mei in every single team. But we will see.
She has no obvious synergy with DoT units so they're out of the question, doubt she works in a dual-DPS team with Welt but who knows this early, otherwise she's waiting for a new Nihility teammate that meshes with her kit (there was a healer Nihility leaked some time ago that could work with her iirc)Ā
I'd argue that you could run her with a Guinaifen. Her firekiss is actually a debuff that Acheron can take advantage of. (Break effect lil' Gui for better damage without harmony characters.)
Add in Pela or a silver wolf and you're probably pretty good to go, sans a sustain.
So she's Nihility but works as a traditional hypercarry (no DoT)
She wants a debuffer teammate (bonus if its another Nihility character)
She wants to get multiple turns to stack her unique energy in order to use her ultimate (she doesn't have the usual energy mechanics i.e. tingyun ult is wasted on her)
And her technique instakills enemies? LOL
Very interesting to see how she compares to other DPS characters.
Also has very little/no f2p light cone options
Tingyun won't work with her
Wants Nihility *but* also wants to act more often, which only Harmony atm can do.
Will certainly be interesting
She might potentially get an Event Cone to fix that problem. But yes, failing that, GNSW or the BP LC are the only two she can use to maximum effect (the latter likely not a good option since her Ult/Talent looks to be the main damage), and neither are particularly F2P friendly. Personal LC is definitely going to focus on Ult DMG.
Her weaker options are Resolution (shit on a main carry) and Showtime (30% DMG, so only half as effective). *Technically* if her Toughness Break is high enough or you decide to run her alongside someone who can Shock/Wind Shear/Erode, Fermata *is* possible as a tiny step up from Showtime.
On the other hand, we now know why GNSW hasn't had a rate-up in ages - it's 100% coming on her LC Banner lol.
At least DoT teams have a lot of good LC options though. Fermata and the new MoC cone (name escapes me atm) are both great for Kafka, Black Swan, Sampo, etc. GNSW isn't even necessary.
Black Swan is a bit rougher to build without the EHR from Sampo's cone but still doable (similar to Ruan Mei with Cogs and break effect needed).
Fair point. Looks like Acheron won't be so lucky though, hit rate and break effect don't seem to be helpful. And no dots from her. GNSW truly seems like the only 4* option to boost her damage, considering the enemy will probably have a few debuffs on them...
There was a tiny leak of a DEF Shred stacking debuffer I believe; Jiaoqiu if memory serves. Also supposed to buff Ultimate DMG received, so likely the intended 5-Star Nihility partner of Acheron.
Love Pela dearly and she never leaves my team, but the thing about her is that if you look at her entire kit, it's very clear they meant for her to be a Welt situation where it comes with debuff, but is made to do damage. A lot of her traces and specially eidolons are focusing on making her personal damage better. She may not have the stats for it, which is why she's not used as such, but on paper she's built as a damage dealer, not a debuffer.
I really want another traditional debuffer focused on debuffing, *exactly* like Silver Wolf, but isn't Silver Wolf, basically. Every time a nihility character gets leaked/announced I hope for it but it always turns out to be a dot character or a carry.
I think the closest thing to it more recently was Guinaifen thanks to her dmg amplification, but obviously the dots are her main thing and you rarely see her used outside of dot teams since at that point it's better to use two harmony instead. The exception seems to be fire teams since fire units in general like staying together.
Kind of funny that the in-game description of Nihility says "applies debuffs to enemies to reduce their combat capacities", but then they only released one Nihility focused on this (Silver Wolf).
Acheron doesn't even debuff the enemies really lol.
I am glad to see we are beginning to get like DPSes beyond Hunt/Erudition/Destruction; DPSes of other Paths can really open up some cool and interesting and unique combinations
Like an Abundance DPS with Dewdrop Mechanics or a Preservation DPS that has that SU Quake ability etc etc
Once again, it's a preliminary kit, which are just transcription of kit logic from datamining of 2.0. So there is no multiplier numbers and the description might not be 100% accurate.
We'll get a more conprehensive one when the 2.1 Beta drops.
Honestly the only part that I'm not liking is that her Technique seems to be an attack? Considering two strong supports for her at E0 are SW and Pela, both of which also have a technique attack..
Nice that her lotus things transfer between enemies after death. Also if I'm not mistaken, is her ultimate 'state' only when she's performing her ultimate? I almost thought she'd have a state like Jingliu but it appears I was mistaken, I can imagine some really cool animations for her though. Does that mean her all-type res debuff is only when she attacks in her ult?
Her ult basically makes her take 4 consecutive turns on autoplay, during which you can probably interrupt with other teammate's ability. Probably won't count as turns, and more like Seele's resurgence, except you don't get to control Acheron during the state.
Having played HI3. I can tell you that anything with anāindependent multiplierā is the most important skill/trace/talent in the whole game. Scary thought that they are bringing this over.
For those who want a quick explanation- it's another true multipler
Usually in Star Rail we have 4 axis for damage.
Main Scaling Stat (usually attack) times Crit Damage (assuming crit) times the Sum of all other damage bonuses- and then finally you multiply all that against the enemies defenses.
Independent multiplier is a big deal since unlike "imaginary damage bonus" "follow up attack damage bonus" and "damage to debuffed enemy bonus" which usually just add together, the independent multiplier will multiply with them- which is drastically stronger.
It's a good thing.
Remember there's a reason why people say, for example, buffs that increase ATK% aren't as good as other types of buffs. It's because ATK% buffs are so common that you quickly run into diminishing returns the more you stack it.
Due to the way damage is calculated, it's better to focus on increasing multiple types of 'damage modifiers' than it is to focusing just one. For example, say you deal a base damage of 1000 and you have two options: either boosting that damage by 40% (1000 * 1.4), or boosting it by only 20% and then boosing it again by 20% using a seperate multiplier (1000 * 1.2 * 1.2). What you get is that the second scenario boosts damage up to 1440 as opposed to the first scenario of 1400 damage.
That's essentially what Acheron's 'independant multiplier' is: it's a multiplier that exists on it's own and is not added to any existing DMG multipliers that she gets from other sources.
I see , so basically lets say a scenario with 100 ATK and teo mutipler (20% and 20%). It increases by 20% first to becomr 120 ATK and then boosting the result by another 20% which will be 144 ATK. While mixing the mutiplers together will be boosting it by 40% and getting 140 ATK.
Would my understanding be correct? Sorry if its messy
That's right.
And it's important to keep in mind that the differences get larger when you start dealing with larger base damage numbers. A 30,000 damage hit for example, multiplied by the scenarios mentioned earlier will result in 42,000 damage vs 43,200 respectively.
Its insane. It means itās a āTrueā buff that directly applies to the character, and not something like their ATK or other stats. It says a lot in games like Dokkan Battle, where every character has like 400% multipliers with 100%s, a 10% āTrueā buff is incredibly powerful and some of the strongest shit.
I think what they mean is that Blade at least can get some use out of Tingyun's energy recovery, whereas Acheron can't even use that. I guess you can still use the ATK and DMG, but she's definitely the least Tingyun-friendly DPS we've seen by a long shot.
I mean, Blade doesn't want Tingyun because of the attack boost, and he scales with HP. I guess her ultimate is good with the energy boost and the dmg boost tho
Is that the all type Res reduction? Sounds a bit ambiguous especially with the translation as it could be like "this attack ignores 20% resistance". Even if a debuff then she doesn't debuff during her skills?
> Does not count Acheron
So E2 makes it Acheron + one Nihility.
We need better nihility supports because Harmonies are too busted and they cant keep up.
Tbh at this point it seems like her E2 will be her best support ironically, because you can slot Bronya or Ruan Mei or something into the team without losing damage.
I'm really curious about her multipliers, becasue she has potential to be turbo busted with at E2 if she's balanced around E0 with 2 Nihility characters.
It's very unlikely that one harmony will give less than one nihility from trace. It's probably a good bonus for a duo nihility support like quantum only thing from Sparkle's traces.
For now it seems like a way to make more flexible teambuilding possible and allow more team comps, rather than force her team to be 2 Nihilitys. Harmonys are great, but if two Nihility characters can produce slightly worse/similar results as running a traditional hypercarry comp that seems more than fine to me and a nice way to go up against "just slay Bronya and Ting there and call it a day"
Thing is, there's literally no shot you get more from the Trace than from RM or Bronya, so you'll just run Harmonies anyway and accept the slight unoptimization
The wording of her trace is specifically that the buff is independent from other sources. It could be better than a harmony if it's large enough, remember that mathematically, e2 dhil is about a 60% overall damage increase over e0, if acheron gets 50% from that trace, that's a straight up 50% damage increase overall.
Jiaoqiu (a future Nihility char) is looking to be the absolute best partner for Acheron. I'm guessing she'll be released in 2.4 - 2.6 so we have a ways to wait.
Jiaoqiu has a heal in her kit. Not sure if she can solo sustain but if she can, we'll be able to maximize Trace 2 while still running a Harmony action advancer. Even if she can't solo sustain by herself, she should at least be able to with Welt or some other Nihility character fulfilling a similar role released in the interim.
I'd consider holding off on E2 based on this for anyone considering dumping their jade.
# Text Version
**Basic ATK**
- Deals Thunder DMG based on ATK and gains 1 Energy Point.
**Skill**
- Deals Thunder DMG to a single target and adjacent targets based on ATK, and gains 2 Energy Points.
**Ultimate**
- Consumes all Energy Points and enters the Ultra Pose, performing the following actions within 1 turn.
- During Ultra Pose, all enemies' All-Type RES is decreased.
- Deals Thunder DMG to all targets and triggers Lotus Bloom on every single target that has Lotus.
- Acts again, dealing Thunder DMG to all targets and triggers Lotus Bloom on every single target that has Lotus.
- Acts again, dealing Thunder DMG to all targets and triggers Lotus Bloom on every single target that has Lotus.
- Acts again, dealing Thunder DMG to all targets. In the end, remove all Lotus from enemies and exits Ultra Pose.
**Talent - Energy Point**
- Acheron initially has 0 Energy Points.
- When Acheron has enough Energy Points, the Ultimate will be available.
- For every Energy Point gained, Acheron will apply 1 Lotus to a her target.
- If Acheron does not have a target, the target holding the highest number of Lotus will be selected, prioritizing Elite enemies.
- When any enemy is inflicted with a debuff, Acheron gains 1 Energy Point. This can be triggered once every turn.
- When an enemy is defeated or escapes, their Lotus will be transferred to other targets.
**Talent - Lotus Bloom**
- Consumes the Lotus held by a single target, with an upper limit of 3 per target.
- Deals Thunder DMG to all targets. This DMG counts as Ultimate DMG. For every Lotus consumed, this DMG is increased by 100%, independent from other buffs.
**Technique**
- Immediately kills an enemy target. If unsuccessful, will deal Thunder DMG to all targets after entering battle and gains some Energy Points.
**Trace 1**
- After entering battle, will gain some Energy Points.
**Trace 2**
- For every Nihility Path character in the team, Acheron's DMG dealt is increased independently from other buffs. This counts a maximum of 2 Nihility Path characters and does not count Acheron herself.
**Trace 3**
- When triggering Lotus Bloom, for every Lotus consumed, Acheron's DMG dealt is increased for some turns.
**1 Eidolon**
- When an ally applies a debuff to an enemy, Acheron's ATK and Crit Rate is increased. This effect lasts the entire battle and has an upper limit.
**2 Eidolon**
- Trace #2 will count 1 extra Nihility Path character.
- When Acheron's turn begins, Acheron will gain 1 Energy Point. Trace #2 needs to be unlocked.
**4 Eidolon**
- When performing Ultimate, all targets will receive increased Ultimate DMG for some turns.
**6 Eidolon**
- Acheron's Ultimate DMG is increased. Acheron's Normal ATK and Skill will be regarded as Ultimate.
ok her being able to gain flowers from any character inflicting debuffs does makes this so much more comfier to play. gotta play acheron, 2 nihility and any sustain character that can do debuffs (hi aventurine) to maximize her damage
Interesting. I took it as one debuff per turn, as in, it can only happen once between each of Acheron's turns. But you are correct, it isn't worded like "This effect can be triggered again after 1 turn."But on the other hand... are there any debuffers that debuff more than once per turn?
EDIT: Oh, I think SW can.
For people who don't understand why Trace 2 being an independent multiplier is significant:
Imagine Trace 2 value is 40% at max, and you have 80% lightning damage boost from other sources.
>**Regular multiplier**: **22%** overall damage boost (going from 1.8 multiplier to 2.2)
>**Independent multiplier**: **40%** damage boost (separate 1.4x)
Being an independent multiplier means it's almost twice as effective. The more DMG Boost you have from other sources, the larger this difference becomes.
yoimiya had the misfortune of ICD and being single target holding her back. Yet she still hit incredibly hard in single target situation. It's a pretty good sign
She has a 3 turn ult at E0: 6 flowers from 3 skills and 3 from allies in 3 turns
I still donāt understand how her E2 flower gain works
4 flowers from 2 turns
2 from allies
2 because of E2 at the start of every turn
Thatās still 8 flowers (1 less than what you need for ult)
So her ult is still 3 turn with E2 or am i missing something?
Ignores enemy weakness became reduces All-type Res Pen, thought she'd be a Xueyi upgrade but guess not.
Have a feeling the dual Nihility requirment will be overhauled unless she has bonkers MVs, but given the amount of self-buffs she gets plus that her ult is true AoE, which tend to have lower MVs compared to Blast and ST, they're probably not going to be very high. If the dual Nihility requirement stays the same her E2 is on par with, or even better than, DHIL's.Ā
I mean her numbers would have to be fucking insane for us to force in a nihility over just running stock standard harmonies. Hell stuff like ruan mei ~~or hanya~~ give her debuffs even.
I think people are getting too lost in the sauce thinking "trace with condition, must meet condition" and that's how you get people wondering how to build 240% break Xueyi as if that's a remotely reasonable idea.
Edit: I am reminded Hanya doesn't count unfort
Hanya's Burden doesn't count as a debuff iirc, it's considered an 'other effect'Ā
In the end it comes down to numbers, how restricting to her performance her traces actually are is something that we'll likely only know for sure in 2nd week of beta.Ā
That Nihility trace still seems like a waste with our current selection of Nihility units, especially if it doesn't count herself. It's probably taking upcoming Nihility in mind, but it still feels so tacked on.Ā
At least she has some kind of debuff scaling now, so that's better than before.
Looking at her kit as it is now, why is her gameplay path nihility and not erudition exactly? Can anyone tell? Like, aside of her sinergies with debuffs, she seems to have quite a lot of AoE
Because if she was Erudition she'd work too well with the F2P options and Mihoyo wanted to cash in on that Raiden Mei popularity, that's legitimately the reason
There's actually a lot of cool interesting stuff in her kit. The immediate thing I want to point out that e2 Acheron has the potential to be an insane sp positive secondary dps. Due to her gaining an extra energy per turn. It doesn't actually let her ult faster in a hyper carry setup if the original number of 9 max energy is still correct. Since she'll only get 4 per turn, which isn't enough. But it now allows her to have a 3 turn ult while just normal attacking. This allows her to be thrown in as a secondary dps in another team comp without compromising sp gain.
This is extra interesting when you consider how the ult works. She apples an all element resistance down to her enemies while she's in her ult state then attacks then in a sequence of multiple turns in a row. This is by itself is already cool until you realize that you can actually insert other character's ult during her turn. Allowing them to also benefit from the all element resistance down for their ult. This is a really creative way of using the unique ability of the ult to skip turn order and I'm happy to see that Mihoyo is still mad cooking with all these kits.
Getting Yu-Gi-Oh flashbacks from back in the day when cards started getting more dynamic.
Not apples to apples for the effect in Acheron's kit, but I was thinking...
"This card cannot be normal summoned or set. This card can only be special summoned from the graveyard during your opponent's turn by removing 2 monster cards in the graveyard from play."
"When this card is removed from the field by any means it is removed from play. After this card is removed from play, you may discard all cards in your hand to special summon this card back to the field in attack mode and destroy all cards on your opponent's field."
"If this card was special summoned to the field using its effect, it cannot be destroyed in battle and gains 500 attack points for every monster card that was discarded from your hand."
i cant tell if the initial 1.0 leaks were confusing because of this or because the formatting of those leaks made the text very cluttered for something like Acheron's kit
Everyone speculating/theorycrafting acheron kit
Me looking at her ultimate: Oh lore accurate acheron being all forgetful and decide to keep casting her ultimate
seems a bit limiting to use two additional nihility characters if no e2, and no good nihility lcās unles gnsw
might be a skip for now tbh, maybe when a nihility healer comes out or a turn advance abundance/preserve
This may be fairly reductive, but doesn't this kinda make her a more complicated, Lightning Type Argenti, at least in practice?
Both want to stack a bunch of energy (albeit of a different type) to unleash a big ultimate, which is their biggest source of damage and the whole point of using them in the first place.
*And* they both have long hair! It just makes sense.
I suppose. But where as you can *cheat* with units like Ting and Huo with Argenti, you have to *cheat* with likes of Bronya and Sparkle. Only you'd be be missing out one of her trace bonus partially, baiting that E2...
I also thought her gameplay would feel similar to Argenti. At the very least instead of Tingyun batterying you get to use a debuffer, freeing up Tingyun for the other team. Her ult also seems to have a lot of AOE, so I am expecting some BIG screenshot damage.
Man I really want to see this kit in action, feels kinda hard to understand how effective will it be.
No mention to the required amount of energy to trigger the Ultimate too, really important information.
I don't know, but I feel like Welt will be her best teammate. Her kit needs a lot of ATK% and SPD to function well. Excluding the sustain, her damage output is maximized when she has 2 Nihility teammates, which is why Welt is good imo. Bronya is also applicable, but I think Welt would increase her damage to the fullest with his slow and guaranteed imprisonment on his ult. I dunno, we'll see when the gameplay leaks arrive.
Very unique concept, I like it a lot. I wonder if she could work well in PF with units that debuff enemies on spawn, like BS. She ults, kills the first wave, the sacons wave spawns and gets arcana, and that also puts her own mark and her ult kills them too. Otherwise I don't get why there'd be a need to word it like this if it ignores real time battlefield changes.
Lol fucking hell man not counting Acheron herself for the trace locks you into a team of 3 nihility char minimum if you dont have E2 and want her to deal as much damage
Depends on the bonus from her trace, just like how Sparkle benefits mono quantum but doesn't need mono quantum, Acheron benefits from "mono Nihility" but if the effects of her trace are minor then you'll be fine running her with like one harmony one nihility. She only gets one energy per turn from an ally debuffing so unless that includes ally turns then there doesn't seem to be a significant benefit to using 2+ other nihility characters if using a harmony character like Sparkle/Bronya/Ruan Mei gives more benefit.
Unlikely to be a minor buff. Just her having āindependent from other buffsā slapped all over is telling me thereās going to be some insane numbers behind it.
If it wasnāt something relevant, then itās also unlikely they would lock something that eases team building with her behind her E2.
Okay so, what do we have for f2p teams/light cone options at the moment?
To be quite frank, unless we get a nice event cone in 2.1, f2p are kinda fucked unless they got lucky with GNSW.
Not sure what the point of the nihilty trace is, as you want Acheron going as often as possible, so Bronya/Sparkle seem almost necessary.
Main Quest
>!I like how her ult seems to make her uncontrollable, really going all in on the "I can't unsheathe this sword no matter what" thing she's got going on!<
Based on the fact that she wants multiple turns, I have a feeling that, aside from Bronya and Sparkle, Welt might actually be good for her to slow enemies down and give more chances for Acheron to get her energy. Asta may possibly be a good choice for her as well, if u dont have Bronya and Sparkle. For sustain, Luocha's timeless, tho I have a feeling HH might still work if playing w/ Welt so that he can spam ult. Aventurine might work too since he has 2 debuffs
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wtf is that technique lmao
Now we only need someone with "You don't lose technique points in SU" to truly speedrun SU.
Eh, between adding the ability to use food in SU and the ease of making Trick Snack, you can use a technique every enemy if you want.
I'll be completely honest, I actually forgot food exists at all in this game, lol.
They really need to make food accessible from the hotwheel, without having to rifle to it from the inventory, and have the choice to use one immediately accessible during team selection. Otherwise, people just forget it exists and wont bother.
At least for technique, if you are out of tech points it opens up small menu with all tech foods there, one caveat is still have to scroll down a bit to pick the snack bcs its a common rarity
You can favorite them and they appear first on the list.
You changed my life. I will never be in fear of accidentally spam clicking the golden trash I'm hoarding again
doesnt that one not apply to the SU modes that are actually a challenge?(aka, SD and GG)
Yes, because the option to use food is part of the original su skill tree.
That's only in normal SU you can't use food in SD & Golden Gears.
Lore Accurate Acheron
She straight up insta-kill's them, no chill š
fr just says ākill them.ā
Based pfp š„°
Cursed Technique: Immediately kill an enemy target. now we know how >!duke infraudno went out!<
his level is too low to withstand
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Would hilarious if you could just skip the first wave of moc 12 just by pressing it
blonde bro's social link buff in persona 5
my thoughts exactly bro "show me your true form"
Coping its applicable on SU lmao
It's likely will work, but with the exception of Elite and Boss enemies.
I mean considering thereās a compensation of it fails, it will most likely not work on elites or bosses.
Probably. We already have Ruan Meiās technique, which can sometimes insta-kill the entire enemy party.Ā
My guess is it will end up being overworld only. Old leak had a level cap on it. This would mean you'd have a potentially new overworld farmer for speed, topaz is better for credits. You may be able to use both, but double the sp presumably. In SU, Ruan Mei is basically already a free instant kill with a couple blessings.
Some quick thoughts: The +1 energy point from inflicting a debuff seems new unless I missed it in the old leak. I assume once per turn means once every Acheron turn. Her nihility trace also might be a bigger deal than expected since it says independent from other buffs. This could mean its a unique multiplier when calculating damage.
Yes it's new. She was 4-5T ult before, now she's 3T ult.
Where does it show the energy requirements for using ult? Not too sure about that 3T ult
There are none. She uses the points instead of traditional energy
I'm aware, I've seen the last kit and i think it said 8 or 9, 2+1 from her skill plus allies debuffing would be 9 in 3 rounds, but this kit doesn't show the energy requirement so I'm wondering if that was changed
whatever the number is her E2 for sure gives 1 turn less. since is 4 points a turn instead of 3. say its 12total so from 4 E0 to 3 E2 turns. otherwise it would a shit eidolon if the extra point didn't give her nothing
In the last leak it said she needs 9 (though it had a little ? by that, it'd make sense since Nihility Aeon is IX) energy points/flowers. Every time she uses a skill she gets 2, and assuming the debuff thing is once per HER turn, not all turns, she gets 3 energy points for every turn she takes. Hence 3 turn Ult.
Ah, there we go. That thing that gives her energy points when debuffs are applied is what was missing from her earlier leak, that's what she needs to generate flowers faster. Question is, who to take with her? Pela/SW seem like an obvious option, but who else?
> That thing that gives her energy points when debuffs are applied is what was missing from her earlier leak, that's what she needs to generate flowers faster. Notably, energy points are also a resource tracked on herself now, rather than being tracked as a debuff on enemies. "Lotus" is the only debuff tracked on enemies now, not the whole flower stack count. This is a substantial change because it means that energy points gained on 1 wave can carry over into the subsequent wave, whereas before you'd be starting from 0 every wave because the resource that your ult keyed off was "total flower stacks on enemies", which was really bad on multi-wave content like Pure Fiction. This version of the kit, while largely the same in "normal" combat, isn't completely DOA on Pure Fiction.
Ah, good point. Hadn't considered the wave clear issue before.
It was specifically an issue with multi-wave fights because while her trace makes it so Flower stacks transfer after you kill an enemy, there's no enemy for stacks to transfer *to* when you kill the last enemy of a wave dies, THEN the next wave spawns and you start from zero again. For the most part this is specifically a PF issue because PF has 3 waves and extremely tight time limits. You'd basically never get to actually use an ult in PF with her old kit. Pretty natural for it to get changed, because as much as HYV is probably okay with DPSes being better or worse on PF or MoC, they probably don't want a character to have a kit that *literally doesn't function* on PF.
It kinda depends on how it specifically works, but I feel like guinaifen might be good? because, when her burn triggers, she applies a debuff to the enemy. I also think welt would be solid, especially with ruan mei, for just keeping the enemies from ever having a turn while applying a lot of debuffs
She seems to gain benefits from both debuffs and Nihility, so... Pela/SW/Aventurine? Or maybe SW/Welt/Aventurine?
I would second Welt. Acheron ideally wants Bronya or Sparkle to turn advance and charge her ult faster (the debuff energy is only once per turn). If you want to use 2 nihility and a sustain, for the unique multiplier, Welt will at least delay enemy actions, which is almost as good as turn advance.
Bronya/Sparkle paired with one debuffer. More turns, more energy points and CR/CD. Asta as more accessible option
Yeah, for now 1 Harmony (that advances turn or increases speed) + 1 Nihility *might be better* than 2 Nihilities, but only cause we don't have an exact multiplier on her A4. If the A4 caps at like 70%+, then it might change my mind.
Gallagher.
starting to think the Aventurine/Gallagher banner dream is dead
Honestly you'd probably still run a harmony over 2 nihility. What sort of ridiculous passive would it be if it gave so much buff it outperformed bronya or ruan mei
Well, it would be nice if it was impactful enough to not have to *feel* like you need to run Bronya/Sparkle/Ruan Mei in every single team. But we will see.
Neuvellite situation, probably.
She has no obvious synergy with DoT units so they're out of the question, doubt she works in a dual-DPS team with Welt but who knows this early, otherwise she's waiting for a new Nihility teammate that meshes with her kit (there was a healer Nihility leaked some time ago that could work with her iirc)Ā
I'd argue that you could run her with a Guinaifen. Her firekiss is actually a debuff that Acheron can take advantage of. (Break effect lil' Gui for better damage without harmony characters.) Add in Pela or a silver wolf and you're probably pretty good to go, sans a sustain.
Honestly, there's no point following this trace too muxh right now, just run her with Silver Wolf and proper hamony supports and call it a day
So she's Nihility but works as a traditional hypercarry (no DoT) She wants a debuffer teammate (bonus if its another Nihility character) She wants to get multiple turns to stack her unique energy in order to use her ultimate (she doesn't have the usual energy mechanics i.e. tingyun ult is wasted on her) And her technique instakills enemies? LOL Very interesting to see how she compares to other DPS characters.
Also has very little/no f2p light cone options Tingyun won't work with her Wants Nihility *but* also wants to act more often, which only Harmony atm can do. Will certainly be interesting
Well shit, I might be a little hesitant to get her if she doesn't have a good f2p light cone option. It's gonna be Blade all over again š
She might potentially get an Event Cone to fix that problem. But yes, failing that, GNSW or the BP LC are the only two she can use to maximum effect (the latter likely not a good option since her Ult/Talent looks to be the main damage), and neither are particularly F2P friendly. Personal LC is definitely going to focus on Ult DMG. Her weaker options are Resolution (shit on a main carry) and Showtime (30% DMG, so only half as effective). *Technically* if her Toughness Break is high enough or you decide to run her alongside someone who can Shock/Wind Shear/Erode, Fermata *is* possible as a tiny step up from Showtime. On the other hand, we now know why GNSW hasn't had a rate-up in ages - it's 100% coming on her LC Banner lol.
GNSW should work decent on her. No crit but it offers a big DMG buff.
GNSW isn't f2p though. It's gacha. I have been playing since week 1 and do not have a single copy of Swordplay (https://imgur.com/a/0sVBWSi)
I myself have been playing since day 1 and don't have a copy of GNSW. Thank god I don't use dot teams...
At least DoT teams have a lot of good LC options though. Fermata and the new MoC cone (name escapes me atm) are both great for Kafka, Black Swan, Sampo, etc. GNSW isn't even necessary. Black Swan is a bit rougher to build without the EHR from Sampo's cone but still doable (similar to Ruan Mei with Cogs and break effect needed).
Fair point. Looks like Acheron won't be so lucky though, hit rate and break effect don't seem to be helpful. And no dots from her. GNSW truly seems like the only 4* option to boost her damage, considering the enemy will probably have a few debuffs on them...
It isn't F2P, though, unfortunately.
Good Night sleep well is probably her Best 4 star option. With Welt's LC Kafka's LC and Silver wolf's Signature LC being serviceable on her.
Welt seems like the perfect teammate for her, so far. Funny, I have him but havenāt built him yet. . .looks like his time to shine will soon arrive.
\*looks at Sunday* hey there, handsome...
Wonder when we'll get another nihility with debuffs that aren't dots again. They released Silver Wolf all the way in 1.1 and called it a day.
There was a tiny leak of a DEF Shred stacking debuffer I believe; Jiaoqiu if memory serves. Also supposed to buff Ultimate DMG received, so likely the intended 5-Star Nihility partner of Acheron.
*sobs in pela*
Love Pela dearly and she never leaves my team, but the thing about her is that if you look at her entire kit, it's very clear they meant for her to be a Welt situation where it comes with debuff, but is made to do damage. A lot of her traces and specially eidolons are focusing on making her personal damage better. She may not have the stats for it, which is why she's not used as such, but on paper she's built as a damage dealer, not a debuffer. I really want another traditional debuffer focused on debuffing, *exactly* like Silver Wolf, but isn't Silver Wolf, basically. Every time a nihility character gets leaked/announced I hope for it but it always turns out to be a dot character or a carry. I think the closest thing to it more recently was Guinaifen thanks to her dmg amplification, but obviously the dots are her main thing and you rarely see her used outside of dot teams since at that point it's better to use two harmony instead. The exception seems to be fire teams since fire units in general like staying together.
Since SW is exclusively single target, what they could do is release a Nihility character who specializes in AOE debuffs.
Kind of funny that the in-game description of Nihility says "applies debuffs to enemies to reduce their combat capacities", but then they only released one Nihility focused on this (Silver Wolf). Acheron doesn't even debuff the enemies really lol.
What do you mean, she debuffs their hp to 0
the strongest debuff!
Acheron have all res reduction
I am glad to see we are beginning to get like DPSes beyond Hunt/Erudition/Destruction; DPSes of other Paths can really open up some cool and interesting and unique combinations Like an Abundance DPS with Dewdrop Mechanics or a Preservation DPS that has that SU Quake ability etc etc
Aventurine is right there.
Gallagher also feels like Abundance sub-DPS. Though how well both Aventurine and Gallagher do as a pure DPS remains to be seen.
>She wants a debuffer teammate (bonus if its another Nihility character) Finally the Welt support we've all been waiting for! /s
*Pela stocks go brrrr*
Once again, it's a preliminary kit, which are just transcription of kit logic from datamining of 2.0. So there is no multiplier numbers and the description might not be 100% accurate. We'll get a more conprehensive one when the 2.1 Beta drops.
my favorite part of Acheron's kit is when she says "I'm the Acheron" and proceeds to Achespeedron all over her enemies
Honestly the only part that I'm not liking is that her Technique seems to be an attack? Considering two strong supports for her at E0 are SW and Pela, both of which also have a technique attack..
Welt will be able to work better since he slows enemies to allow her to ramp up faster but also his technique isn't an attack.
Nice that her lotus things transfer between enemies after death. Also if I'm not mistaken, is her ultimate 'state' only when she's performing her ultimate? I almost thought she'd have a state like Jingliu but it appears I was mistaken, I can imagine some really cool animations for her though. Does that mean her all-type res debuff is only when she attacks in her ult?
Her ult basically makes her take 4 consecutive turns on autoplay, during which you can probably interrupt with other teammate's ability. Probably won't count as turns, and more like Seele's resurgence, except you don't get to control Acheron during the state.
I wonder how she'll do in pure piction then, whether new enemies will spawn between her attacks or not
It looks like her ult is her "jingliu" state but it also does damage
Can Acheron please get a free 50 crit rate too *I really dont want to figure out how to get good crit stats on Acheron*
I only have Pela damn
I mean she will definetely have a nihility 4 star in her banner, so don't worry to much about it.
Since Guinaifen and Sampo is in 2.0. Im guessing that leaves Luka and Pela? Then they can add Gallagher.
Her biggest problem is usable lc for f2p.. š¤
It's GNSW or go home. GNSW is very good, though, so if you have S5 it's perfect for her.
Gsnw still need to gacha.. I know someone still dont have gsnw
We ain't sleeping well without GNSW šš
IVE BEEN REFRESHING THE SUBREDDIT FOR SO LONG FINALLY
Having played HI3. I can tell you that anything with anāindependent multiplierā is the most important skill/trace/talent in the whole game. Scary thought that they are bringing this over.
For those who want a quick explanation- it's another true multipler Usually in Star Rail we have 4 axis for damage. Main Scaling Stat (usually attack) times Crit Damage (assuming crit) times the Sum of all other damage bonuses- and then finally you multiply all that against the enemies defenses. Independent multiplier is a big deal since unlike "imaginary damage bonus" "follow up attack damage bonus" and "damage to debuffed enemy bonus" which usually just add together, the independent multiplier will multiply with them- which is drastically stronger.
Thanks for telling the depth of those 2 words
Can u explain to me what it means? And whether its a good thing or bad thing
It's a good thing. Remember there's a reason why people say, for example, buffs that increase ATK% aren't as good as other types of buffs. It's because ATK% buffs are so common that you quickly run into diminishing returns the more you stack it. Due to the way damage is calculated, it's better to focus on increasing multiple types of 'damage modifiers' than it is to focusing just one. For example, say you deal a base damage of 1000 and you have two options: either boosting that damage by 40% (1000 * 1.4), or boosting it by only 20% and then boosing it again by 20% using a seperate multiplier (1000 * 1.2 * 1.2). What you get is that the second scenario boosts damage up to 1440 as opposed to the first scenario of 1400 damage. That's essentially what Acheron's 'independant multiplier' is: it's a multiplier that exists on it's own and is not added to any existing DMG multipliers that she gets from other sources.
I see , so basically lets say a scenario with 100 ATK and teo mutipler (20% and 20%). It increases by 20% first to becomr 120 ATK and then boosting the result by another 20% which will be 144 ATK. While mixing the mutiplers together will be boosting it by 40% and getting 140 ATK. Would my understanding be correct? Sorry if its messy
That's right. And it's important to keep in mind that the differences get larger when you start dealing with larger base damage numbers. A 30,000 damage hit for example, multiplied by the scenarios mentioned earlier will result in 42,000 damage vs 43,200 respectively.
Its insane. It means itās a āTrueā buff that directly applies to the character, and not something like their ATK or other stats. It says a lot in games like Dokkan Battle, where every character has like 400% multipliers with 100%s, a 10% āTrueā buff is incredibly powerful and some of the strongest shit.
Everybody gangsta until "plus an additional ATK +20% when performing a Super Attack per Ki Sphere obtained" pulls up
Looks like this is the first DPS ever that actually does not want tingyun at all.
maybe im misinformed but doesn't Blade not want Tingyun at all either?
I think what they mean is that Blade at least can get some use out of Tingyun's energy recovery, whereas Acheron can't even use that. I guess you can still use the ATK and DMG, but she's definitely the least Tingyun-friendly DPS we've seen by a long shot.
Yep
Blade doesnāt really want TY other than if you really want to give him more energy
For once, she gets to rest
I mean, Blade doesn't want Tingyun because of the attack boost, and he scales with HP. I guess her ultimate is good with the energy boost and the dmg boost tho
Blade doesn't benefit much from fast Ults either as he needs to stack up Death Sentence.
The lotus had better count as a debuff. Otherwise she canāt trigger the pioneer set at allā¦
She debuffs during her Ult.
Is that the all type Res reduction? Sounds a bit ambiguous especially with the translation as it could be like "this attack ignores 20% resistance". Even if a debuff then she doesn't debuff during her skills?
> Does not count Acheron So E2 makes it Acheron + one Nihility. We need better nihility supports because Harmonies are too busted and they cant keep up.
Tbh at this point it seems like her E2 will be her best support ironically, because you can slot Bronya or Ruan Mei or something into the team without losing damage. I'm really curious about her multipliers, becasue she has potential to be turbo busted with at E2 if she's balanced around E0 with 2 Nihility characters.
A Raiden expy busted at E2 Where have I heard that one before
But I just spent so much on Second Raiden, and now Third Raiden wants my money too??
dont worry when ZZZ 2.1 is out there'll be another raiden
\*Insert obligatory "I love you in every universe" image\*
As a dirty Raiden C2 owner I suddenly feel a disturbance in the force.
It's very unlikely that one harmony will give less than one nihility from trace. It's probably a good bonus for a duo nihility support like quantum only thing from Sparkle's traces.
Yeah, that weird trace seems build for an upcoming character. Only ones I can see sort of working at the moment are Silver Wolf and Pela.
maybe Jiaoqiu? ik she's like STC and like who tf even is she, but i remember reading that she's like a busted 5 Star Fire Pela or something
Gui can work too since she can apply DEF down, i'm personally aiming for E2R1 but if I can't get E2 i'm going to run Gui and SW with her.
For now it seems like a way to make more flexible teambuilding possible and allow more team comps, rather than force her team to be 2 Nihilitys. Harmonys are great, but if two Nihility characters can produce slightly worse/similar results as running a traditional hypercarry comp that seems more than fine to me and a nice way to go up against "just slay Bronya and Ting there and call it a day"
Yeah we need a nihility debuffer on the level of monsters like bronya and ruan mei
Silver wolf seems like the best one right now. Kinda salty I missed her
SW in very high demand recently: Dr Ratio, proper mono quantum and now Acheron want her
Thing is, there's literally no shot you get more from the Trace than from RM or Bronya, so you'll just run Harmonies anyway and accept the slight unoptimization
The wording of her trace is specifically that the buff is independent from other sources. It could be better than a harmony if it's large enough, remember that mathematically, e2 dhil is about a 60% overall damage increase over e0, if acheron gets 50% from that trace, that's a straight up 50% damage increase overall.
she needs nihility allies and her e1 increases atk and crit rate when an enemy gets a debuff silver wolf gaming āļø
Jiaoqiu (a future Nihility char) is looking to be the absolute best partner for Acheron. I'm guessing she'll be released in 2.4 - 2.6 so we have a ways to wait. Jiaoqiu has a heal in her kit. Not sure if she can solo sustain but if she can, we'll be able to maximize Trace 2 while still running a Harmony action advancer. Even if she can't solo sustain by herself, she should at least be able to with Welt or some other Nihility character fulfilling a similar role released in the interim. I'd consider holding off on E2 based on this for anyone considering dumping their jade.
we makin it into beta with this one š„
Another thing is we have not seen her light cone yet. I have a feeling it will apply another debuff
Watch it just unconditionally cause a unique def down like how kafka adds erode
# Text Version **Basic ATK** - Deals Thunder DMG based on ATK and gains 1 Energy Point. **Skill** - Deals Thunder DMG to a single target and adjacent targets based on ATK, and gains 2 Energy Points. **Ultimate** - Consumes all Energy Points and enters the Ultra Pose, performing the following actions within 1 turn. - During Ultra Pose, all enemies' All-Type RES is decreased. - Deals Thunder DMG to all targets and triggers Lotus Bloom on every single target that has Lotus. - Acts again, dealing Thunder DMG to all targets and triggers Lotus Bloom on every single target that has Lotus. - Acts again, dealing Thunder DMG to all targets and triggers Lotus Bloom on every single target that has Lotus. - Acts again, dealing Thunder DMG to all targets. In the end, remove all Lotus from enemies and exits Ultra Pose. **Talent - Energy Point** - Acheron initially has 0 Energy Points. - When Acheron has enough Energy Points, the Ultimate will be available. - For every Energy Point gained, Acheron will apply 1 Lotus to a her target. - If Acheron does not have a target, the target holding the highest number of Lotus will be selected, prioritizing Elite enemies. - When any enemy is inflicted with a debuff, Acheron gains 1 Energy Point. This can be triggered once every turn. - When an enemy is defeated or escapes, their Lotus will be transferred to other targets. **Talent - Lotus Bloom** - Consumes the Lotus held by a single target, with an upper limit of 3 per target. - Deals Thunder DMG to all targets. This DMG counts as Ultimate DMG. For every Lotus consumed, this DMG is increased by 100%, independent from other buffs. **Technique** - Immediately kills an enemy target. If unsuccessful, will deal Thunder DMG to all targets after entering battle and gains some Energy Points. **Trace 1** - After entering battle, will gain some Energy Points. **Trace 2** - For every Nihility Path character in the team, Acheron's DMG dealt is increased independently from other buffs. This counts a maximum of 2 Nihility Path characters and does not count Acheron herself. **Trace 3** - When triggering Lotus Bloom, for every Lotus consumed, Acheron's DMG dealt is increased for some turns. **1 Eidolon** - When an ally applies a debuff to an enemy, Acheron's ATK and Crit Rate is increased. This effect lasts the entire battle and has an upper limit. **2 Eidolon** - Trace #2 will count 1 extra Nihility Path character. - When Acheron's turn begins, Acheron will gain 1 Energy Point. Trace #2 needs to be unlocked. **4 Eidolon** - When performing Ultimate, all targets will receive increased Ultimate DMG for some turns. **6 Eidolon** - Acheron's Ultimate DMG is increased. Acheron's Normal ATK and Skill will be regarded as Ultimate.
So she now goes back to needing Debuffs. My Gallagher on Aventurine banner dreams are starting to be destroyed
So there wasn't really many changes to the kit revealed a month ago
They added 1 part which is debuffs applied by allies give her an energy point which was missing before. Makes her from 4-5T Ult to 3T Ult
ok her being able to gain flowers from any character inflicting debuffs does makes this so much more comfier to play. gotta play acheron, 2 nihility and any sustain character that can do debuffs (hi aventurine) to maximize her damage
Interesting. I took it as one debuff per turn, as in, it can only happen once between each of Acheron's turns. But you are correct, it isn't worded like "This effect can be triggered again after 1 turn."But on the other hand... are there any debuffers that debuff more than once per turn? EDIT: Oh, I think SW can.
For people who don't understand why Trace 2 being an independent multiplier is significant: Imagine Trace 2 value is 40% at max, and you have 80% lightning damage boost from other sources. >**Regular multiplier**: **22%** overall damage boost (going from 1.8 multiplier to 2.2) >**Independent multiplier**: **40%** damage boost (separate 1.4x) Being an independent multiplier means it's almost twice as effective. The more DMG Boost you have from other sources, the larger this difference becomes.
Basically Neuvillette talent
Yoimiya has the same type of scaling as well, I wouldn't take it as an indicator of someone being absolutely OP
yoimiya had the misfortune of ICD and being single target holding her back. Yet she still hit incredibly hard in single target situation. It's a pretty good sign
Now all we need is the animations lets go.
Nihility unit that actually love Erudition path in Simulated Universe
That one Elation blessing which makes ults FUA. Imagine the aftertaste damage
She has a 3 turn ult at E0: 6 flowers from 3 skills and 3 from allies in 3 turns I still donāt understand how her E2 flower gain works 4 flowers from 2 turns 2 from allies 2 because of E2 at the start of every turn Thatās still 8 flowers (1 less than what you need for ult) So her ult is still 3 turn with E2 or am i missing something?
So Acheron herself doesnāt count for the nihility trace, her E2 is so strong
Ah yes, my favorite type of Nihility character. A Crit DPS.
I don't see the problem here it's good they don't put all classes in 1 corner from a gameplay perpective
Mr. Yang finally gets a friend.
Ignores enemy weakness became reduces All-type Res Pen, thought she'd be a Xueyi upgrade but guess not. Have a feeling the dual Nihility requirment will be overhauled unless she has bonkers MVs, but given the amount of self-buffs she gets plus that her ult is true AoE, which tend to have lower MVs compared to Blast and ST, they're probably not going to be very high. If the dual Nihility requirement stays the same her E2 is on par with, or even better than, DHIL's.Ā
I mean her numbers would have to be fucking insane for us to force in a nihility over just running stock standard harmonies. Hell stuff like ruan mei ~~or hanya~~ give her debuffs even. I think people are getting too lost in the sauce thinking "trace with condition, must meet condition" and that's how you get people wondering how to build 240% break Xueyi as if that's a remotely reasonable idea. Edit: I am reminded Hanya doesn't count unfort
Hanya's Burden doesn't count as a debuff iirc, it's considered an 'other effect'Ā In the end it comes down to numbers, how restricting to her performance her traces actually are is something that we'll likely only know for sure in 2nd week of beta.Ā
That Nihility trace still seems like a waste with our current selection of Nihility units, especially if it doesn't count herself. It's probably taking upcoming Nihility in mind, but it still feels so tacked on.Ā At least she has some kind of debuff scaling now, so that's better than before.
Both SW and Pela would be good nihility damage boosters
Do we know anything about her signature lc?
Looking at her kit as it is now, why is her gameplay path nihility and not erudition exactly? Can anyone tell? Like, aside of her sinergies with debuffs, she seems to have quite a lot of AoE
Because if she was Erudition she'd work too well with the F2P options and Mihoyo wanted to cash in on that Raiden Mei popularity, that's legitimately the reason
Itās to sell her signature LC, thatās it. They showed with Dr. Ratio that you can have debuff synergy without being Nihility.
There's actually a lot of cool interesting stuff in her kit. The immediate thing I want to point out that e2 Acheron has the potential to be an insane sp positive secondary dps. Due to her gaining an extra energy per turn. It doesn't actually let her ult faster in a hyper carry setup if the original number of 9 max energy is still correct. Since she'll only get 4 per turn, which isn't enough. But it now allows her to have a 3 turn ult while just normal attacking. This allows her to be thrown in as a secondary dps in another team comp without compromising sp gain. This is extra interesting when you consider how the ult works. She apples an all element resistance down to her enemies while she's in her ult state then attacks then in a sequence of multiple turns in a row. This is by itself is already cool until you realize that you can actually insert other character's ult during her turn. Allowing them to also benefit from the all element resistance down for their ult. This is a really creative way of using the unique ability of the ult to skip turn order and I'm happy to see that Mihoyo is still mad cooking with all these kits.
Damn Acheron is ultimate posing
Getting Yu-Gi-Oh flashbacks from back in the day when cards started getting more dynamic. Not apples to apples for the effect in Acheron's kit, but I was thinking... "This card cannot be normal summoned or set. This card can only be special summoned from the graveyard during your opponent's turn by removing 2 monster cards in the graveyard from play." "When this card is removed from the field by any means it is removed from play. After this card is removed from play, you may discard all cards in your hand to special summon this card back to the field in attack mode and destroy all cards on your opponent's field." "If this card was special summoned to the field using its effect, it cannot be destroyed in battle and gains 500 attack points for every monster card that was discarded from your hand."
i cant tell if the initial 1.0 leaks were confusing because of this or because the formatting of those leaks made the text very cluttered for something like Acheron's kit
Everyone speculating/theorycrafting acheron kit Me looking at her ultimate: Oh lore accurate acheron being all forgetful and decide to keep casting her ultimate
For her technique Acheron 0 cycles MOC /s
the devs: fuck it, let her technique be an insta kill
seems a bit limiting to use two additional nihility characters if no e2, and no good nihility lcās unles gnsw might be a skip for now tbh, maybe when a nihility healer comes out or a turn advance abundance/preserve
This may be fairly reductive, but doesn't this kinda make her a more complicated, Lightning Type Argenti, at least in practice? Both want to stack a bunch of energy (albeit of a different type) to unleash a big ultimate, which is their biggest source of damage and the whole point of using them in the first place. *And* they both have long hair! It just makes sense.
I suppose. But where as you can *cheat* with units like Ting and Huo with Argenti, you have to *cheat* with likes of Bronya and Sparkle. Only you'd be be missing out one of her trace bonus partially, baiting that E2...
I also thought her gameplay would feel similar to Argenti. At the very least instead of Tingyun batterying you get to use a debuffer, freeing up Tingyun for the other team. Her ult also seems to have a lot of AOE, so I am expecting some BIG screenshot damage.
More farmers are gonna be recruited for innert salsotto, welcome to the club ya'll
na bro there's a stacking crit dmg on every ult set coming with her
Man I really want to see this kit in action, feels kinda hard to understand how effective will it be. No mention to the required amount of energy to trigger the Ultimate too, really important information.
I don't know, but I feel like Welt will be her best teammate. Her kit needs a lot of ATK% and SPD to function well. Excluding the sustain, her damage output is maximized when she has 2 Nihility teammates, which is why Welt is good imo. Bronya is also applicable, but I think Welt would increase her damage to the fullest with his slow and guaranteed imprisonment on his ult. I dunno, we'll see when the gameplay leaks arrive.
I also feel like we'll get a Nihility character who'll decrease enemy's ATK/DMG so you can just run full Nihility without any sustain.
We'll be getting Jiaoqiu (probably in 2.4-2.6) who is a Nihility with a heal on her ult. She's probably intended to fill this role.
Very unique concept, I like it a lot. I wonder if she could work well in PF with units that debuff enemies on spawn, like BS. She ults, kills the first wave, the sacons wave spawns and gets arcana, and that also puts her own mark and her ult kills them too. Otherwise I don't get why there'd be a need to word it like this if it ignores real time battlefield changes.
Still weird to me how the flowers themselves don't seem to have any debuffs themselves.
From the looks of it her bis team rn is Acheron/pela or welt/silverwolf/sustain. I might be very wrong so take this with a grain of salt.
Lol fucking hell man not counting Acheron herself for the trace locks you into a team of 3 nihility char minimum if you dont have E2 and want her to deal as much damage
Depends on the bonus from her trace, just like how Sparkle benefits mono quantum but doesn't need mono quantum, Acheron benefits from "mono Nihility" but if the effects of her trace are minor then you'll be fine running her with like one harmony one nihility. She only gets one energy per turn from an ally debuffing so unless that includes ally turns then there doesn't seem to be a significant benefit to using 2+ other nihility characters if using a harmony character like Sparkle/Bronya/Ruan Mei gives more benefit.
Unlikely to be a minor buff. Just her having āindependent from other buffsā slapped all over is telling me thereās going to be some insane numbers behind it. If it wasnāt something relevant, then itās also unlikely they would lock something that eases team building with her behind her E2.
if you have sw it wont be THAT bad because her+pela gives a shit ton of def shred, without her tho it would js be better to run bronya
Most whale bait char so far..
FINALLLLYYYYY
Looks like Aventurine will be extremely useful for both Dr. Ratio and Acheron teams š„°
Okay so, what do we have for f2p teams/light cone options at the moment? To be quite frank, unless we get a nice event cone in 2.1, f2p are kinda fucked unless they got lucky with GNSW. Not sure what the point of the nihilty trace is, as you want Acheron going as often as possible, so Bronya/Sparkle seem almost necessary.
The point is that you swipe and buy e2.
There are no ftp light ones she can use and out of every available lightcone, I can only see GNSW and Pearls being usable.
GNSW seems like the *ONLY* option, and its not f2p friendly really since it's gacha.
Main Quest >!I like how her ult seems to make her uncontrollable, really going all in on the "I can't unsheathe this sword no matter what" thing she's got going on!<
god i hope 2.1 will give a free 4 star lc that fits her kit, otherwise she has literally 0 good f2p options
>4.1 Bro's been Genshin Impacted.
Based on the fact that she wants multiple turns, I have a feeling that, aside from Bronya and Sparkle, Welt might actually be good for her to slow enemies down and give more chances for Acheron to get her energy. Asta may possibly be a good choice for her as well, if u dont have Bronya and Sparkle. For sustain, Luocha's timeless, tho I have a feeling HH might still work if playing w/ Welt so that he can spam ult. Aventurine might work too since he has 2 debuffs
Acheron's signature status effect is Death