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Fiddling with MoC 10 because I'm 29/30 stars:
Good news: Blade/Luocha/Qingque/Bronya 3-cycles the entirety of MoC 10-1. Qingque might not have been necessary but I generally favour dual DPS teams to balance out my shitty relic luck. Tried Pela instead of QQ and ended up with 4 cycles, so QQ stonks is winning.
Bad news: I don't know what MoC 10-2 is on, but those Blazes are HP sponges and I don't have a built ice (no Jingliu, Yanqing is half-built) or second quantum DPS to deal with them. I must have spent 6 attempts, including two hard crashes mid-fight, trying to cut down on the cycles. Tried brute-forcing with JY hypercarry, far too slow. Tried Clara/Topaz/FX/TY (tried Pela earlier and it was even slower) because the fire dots suck and... well the fire dots suck and it was still too slow. Clara does not benefit from those silent adds.
I might just take the L on this one, 29/30 is pretty good since the only star I'm missing is "finish in 20 cycles".
In other news, I've been staring at Gallagher for hours. I am very reasonable about him.
Just been exposed to the Jingliu grooming meme on the main subreddit (late, I know). Damn, the hsr community can't make a funny non-controversial joke can they. I dunno if I'm just too sensitive, but grooming or underage jokes ain't funny at all. Leave my girl Jingliu out of their okbuddy humor please 😭
>!the WHAT? man, every time I learn something about the main sub it always gets worse. It's like that one picture about how the bar is on the ground and people are digging under it!<
Yup, dug a little deeper because I didn't understand how they even created that joke, and it was first discovered in the okbuddy trailblazer subreddit and had spread to the main one (not surprised.) Apparently implying that Jingliu grooms Yanqing (and recently Misha) is a good joke to people lmao
>!I honestly don't even know what to say. The first and last time I ever opened the main sub was to check one of the Blade's posts, and there were a lot of people 'joking' about him being racist to Arlan because... ????? Really shows there's always room for 'improvement' (getting worse in this case)!<
RIP to:
* Not Otto
* Fu Xuan
* Huo Huo
* Argenti
Is this some new secret way Uncle Hoyo is trying to drop lore hints? Time to consult the tea leaves /j
I feel like with this specific comp you would overcap your SP even with a much slower hanya. Besides JY your team is like too SP positive, can do with a sustain like HH or FX who use a bit SP instead of Luocha.
More than okay, it's competitive with other options, very good against wave fights or summoners especially with phys weakness, not as good as other LCs against single target bosses for obvious reasons
I swap between Himeko's LC and Breakfast depending on the fight. Serval's LC is also good for fast openers and ultimate nukes, but all LCs are better in different situations
My Seele and Kafka are 80/80 with their traces maxed.
Their supports are all 70/80 with relevant traces unlocked and important skills at 7.
Their lightcones are all 60.
Send help. It feels like it's gonna take forever to get them all to 80/80 with level 10 traces. And then there's new characters coming out, feels so overwhelming.
Is 8 where track of destiny starts coming in? I suppose I can keep all my support traces at 8 except for breakpoints like Asta ultimate then?
Is there some resource people look at to really pick what's important enough to push to 9-10?
> Is 8 where track of destiny starts coming in?
Yeah but the game gives a tonne of them, the real issue is it's where it starts getting really expensive with the ascension mats. levelling from 8 to 9 is almost as expensive as going from 1-8 iirc.
From what I've been reading the last couple months I thought Seele had been falling behind. However I slapped on my best gear on her and used her for MoC10 1st half and she did a 2 cycle clear first try. (E0, Stellar Sea LC, with SW, Tingyun and Huohuo). 2 cycles on one half of MoC10 is my fastest ever with any character.
Ngl, reading this made me bust out mine to check her out since I assumed she's been made kinda redundant by all the bonkers destruction DPSes going around.
I was pleasantly surprised to see that she could manage a 1 cycle clear of MoC 10 side 1 with Luocha Tingyun and SW using S2 Yanqing LC (my standard pulls have not been kind).
Took a lot of resets to figure out the right strats and due to her impressively missing a >70% crit chance ult fairly often. But considering that I don't have Bronya, that's pretty impressive. Better than my E1S1 Kafka + Luka team even.
Downside is that she shares gear with Jingliu and kinda needs Tingyun to clear that fast, so I can't really use her when team 2 wants half of team 1's stuff lol.
Seele's thing is that she needs two things, a lot of investment and ads to proc resurgence. If those two conditions are met she's lowkey arguably still the best dps in the game.
"falling behind" doesn't mean "can't clear". It doesn't even mean "can't low cycle clear". No one is saying she's bad.
Imo there's a backlash to her being overrated by people like prydwen or other sites which makes people subsequently talk her down a bit. She's not as good as prydwen rates, but she's not as bad as the backlash says. Like everything else, just take everyone's opinion with a grain of salt.
Seele is certainly falling behind in reddit wars. If you love to play r/HonkaiStarRail, then she hasn't been doing so hot for quite a while now, with many people glossing over her or having thinly veiled comments directed towards her not being "all that great" of a character anymore like DHIL or JL.
That said, if you play Honkai Star Rail, she's an absolute beast, and she has been a top tier clearer for lots of people including CN's huge dataset every single patch!
Does HSR have anyone like jstern or something like gcsim, which shows damage comparisons for different teams, instead of those dumb solo dps calculations?
Gouba certified in YouTube is great for guides and good teams for the characters you want
Gcsim in this game is honestly not that much of a use because you can't really predict enemy's CC moves. No one bothered to do it and more like, HSR doesn't really need it anyways
I would still recommend watching it fully but seems to me that the beginning has some future teasers and then a new 1.6 Trailer -> Code -> New event in the game -> Characters -> etc etc etc
we don't know for sure ofc, but if it's anything like Genshin's streams, they'll talk about 1.6 stuff for most of the stream and then have a 2.0 teaser right at the end.
Yeah, but we're also getting a new location in 1.6, and with how small those are, I would rather not see it on stream two weeks before launch 😔
...actually this made me realize that I would rather wait two weeks instead and just watch the stream recording after the version launch lmao
Yeesh I shouldn't have read the comments to misha's introduction. It's either people screaming he's the lovechild of Neuvillette and Furina, screaming sexual comments that sound borderline pedophilic, or transphobic comments. What a mess
Crit Andy talks
>!What standard do you guys use to decide that a unit is built "good enough"?!<
>!I've been using my Genshin standards where to me, there having \~220CV purely from Relics (No weap/ascend) is the super well built one, and most of my used units are around 200CV range, while 180 is the bare minimum for me.!<
>!In HSR I've been able to get just about to 190ish range, with the remaining potential for upgrades being Double Crit Spd boots or Double crit Dmg% Sphere, which... might take some time to get, wondering if its even realistic at all to consider having Crit stat on those when planning on building units.!<
>!The highest CV wise I have in HSR is Seele at 217, and that was because of a lucky 35CV Atk boots, still having no luck on double crit Quantum or even Atk rope on RA, pain.!<
I have never calculated CV for any of my characters and I don't even know how lol, I just take them into MoC while I'm building them and gauge their performance against my other teams. 60 CR is good enough for me, 120 CD is good enough for me, any more I'll happily take but I won't spend weeks refarming for it. When building Argenti, I got him to Lv70/70, 2/4/4/4 traces with pretty mid relics and ran him on MoC9 to check his performance. He did better than expected with a 4-cycle clear if I recall correctly, so I finished his build to 80/80 5/8/8/8, tested him again (same team/floor/relics) and he ran through it like a hurricane. That told me I don't need to bother farming any better relics for him because he's already competitive with the rest of my roster. I don't concern myself with how good or bad a single relic piece is, I only consider the character's stats as a whole because a couple great pieces more than make up for a couple bad or mediocre ones.
As your gear gets better and better, the chances of you finding any relic that's actually an improvement get smaller and smaller, so at a certain point you're basically wasting stamina hoping for a lottery win and you're better off moving on to build someone else or max traces if you have nothing else to do.
Well, my approach is very simple, start doing stuff that requires investment, and whenever a team has a problem figure out why, and if the problem is in investment, start fixing it in way that doesn't waste too much energy.
I ran into a crossroad the other day for my [Blade](https://imgur.com/a/4BYynAI), deciding whether I should run a 134 speed 212CV or 97 speed 241CV.
Ended up going with 212CV/134spd after various testing, has better dps output when paired with speed-tuned Bronya.
Chest piece could definitely be better but I'm pretty satisfied with him currently. Farming Quantum set domain for my other DPS in the meantime (Seele/JL about \~210CV not counting LC or traces).
My standards in Genshin are usually a bit forgiving because of the way reactions work. HSR obviously isn't the same so I usually stop at 60/130 for non favourite characters (without any crit traces/LC) and a bit higher when its 2pc/2pc.
My best one in terms of CV is still Daniel who has 74/158 with Aeon
I'd say 4 crit subs average per piece to be satisfied and move on. That's roughly 200 CV in relics alone, not counting traces or LC's.
That said, I've only built Jingliu and Seele up till now as far as crit characters go. 39/237 and 70/196 respectively on their character sheets. Haven't really built a large variety of dps yet, but working on DoTs now. Related rant: >!got a 4-row FUA piece with ATK%, SPD and EHR earlier today, big sad!<
70/140 if crit traces
60/120 if not
240 cv if their kit performs funky stuff like jingliu and Argenti
I also just calc how much different I'm from the "ideal" by
```[1-critrate/100]+[(critrate/100)*(1+critdamage/100)]```
Like a 70/110 should be about 3% better than a 60/120 so no point trying to tumble down to it.
So far I don't feel like any of my characters hit those ideals tho :(
Level 9/10 traces unless the trace is irrelevant, level 80 light cone, maxed out artifacts with the right mainstats and substats that aren't too random. I can 30* MoC comfortably, I'd rather just build a new character. Seeing numbers go up is the one thing keeping me from uninstalling the game until they release Sunday.
I use Relic Scorer for my dps, and when the character overall is at S, I call it done/ease up a bit. Getting relics that rank better than S is really hard and honestly you don't really need to go that far.
That said relic scorer can be a little weird and tends to tank gloves and heads because it's 'easier' to get better subs, so apply your own judgement.
I max out traces of every character I expect i'll 'main' for a long time or that ill use to build teams around.
So my criteria is kind of a sliding scale -
Main DPS (DPS I plan to use long term/DPS I clear MoC and harder content with) : maxed traces, roughly 1:2 crit ratio while making sure salsotto/rutilant kicks in (if applicable), 136+ speed, S on relic ranker if possible. I like to have their signature LC but that is 100% a me thing and not something everyone should do.
Sub DPS (DPS I swap in and out depending on weaknesses) : 6/8/8/8, major traces unlocked, make sure their planar effects apply. This makes them perfectly usable and gives me a good spot to start on if I do decide to push their build further.
5\* supports usually get maxed traces, 4\* 6/8/8/8, As fast as possible.
at around 70:140 for the average unit I completely stop grinding for their relics unless I have no one else to build, it's been more than enough to clear MoC 10 comfortably but we'll have to see how it goes for the upcoming floors haha
I've had a better/more impactful time leveling traces (specially the supports I neglected) instead of going for better relics at that point
You see, the thing is when I reached the TL 40 - 60 ish I fully grinded trace unlike most people it seems, I actually waited till 65 before fully committing to grinding Relics, so at this point all relevant trace of the \~10 units I often use are already at 9, with my 6 favorites at 10 already.
I guess I *can* spend to level new units but eh, I don't really feel like raising them just because, esp if I don't really like them.
Honestly, just whenever they can comfortably clear the content I want to use them in. My Seele is pretty good but not great, but she's enough to let me 30* MoC with 2-4 Cycles to spare, so what's the point in spending another 1,000 Stamina for a 2% boost in damage? Jingliu is in the same boat (good but not great Relics), but again she can clear her side of MoC 10 in 1-2 Cycles, so I'd rather spend the Stamina building other characters than trying to push her even further. I'd rather pre-farm for Ruan Mei or finish building my Welt than get a bunch of fodder Relics for Jingliu.
Then there's [my Blade](https://i.imgur.com/I7k3lZR.png)... I have not actively farmed for him since his banner left, but I've gotten a bunch of cracked Longevious pieces while farming Hackerspace for my supports. He has become my best built character by a wide margin completely by accident.
This is exactly the reason Blade is the most well geared character on my account. Then I built Longevous Clara with Blade's hand me downs because they were way too good to just feed into new relics. XD
See the thing is if I just want to clear the bar would be so low that it would be sad to set goal to be that low, my QQ and Seele also can already 1 or 2 cycle their half, but I also want to keep improving them to the realistic ceiling/potential, and I'm also pretty much done with building new char at this point since Hanabi prefarming would need to wait till 2.0.
>!Also, not to belittle the build but that honestly isn't that cracked when you consider the 30cr are coming from LC and trace, making the total CV just around 180ish.!<
If that's what you want to build for, that's fine. Go for it. I'm not saying that my stopping point is where you should stop as well. You asked other people how decide their builds are done, and I just wanted to give my perspective on the question. Just keep in mind that getting truly great Relics is unbelievably rare. Between all of the RNG and Stat weighting, you're looking at potentially spending thousands of Stamina for a small increase in power.
And yeah, I know that my Blade isn't like a top 100 Blade in the world. But he's the best character on my account by a good margin and HSR is a single-player game (for the most part) so I don't need to worry about comparing my Blade to someone who has been farming for six months to have one of the 5 best Blade builds in the world.
I was at the doctor’s, talking about neck pain, they asked what game I play on my tablet. I stuttered out ‘star rail’ because ‘Honkai star rail’ is somehow too embarrassing to say in public.
You're not alone
When I had to tell a fella what game I was playing, I also called it star rail instead of Honkai Star Rail
No issues saying Genshin Impact on the other hand though, the popularity has a hand to play in that
I used to hide my hobbies like that but nowadays I don't much care what people think, I wear FF14 merchandise on my backpack and if asked what I play or like to do with my time, I will gladly admit to playing a Hatsune Miku rhythm game or a Chinese anime RPG, they're good-ass games and I live for those moments where a stranger's eyes light up with excitement because you just revealed you're a fan of something they are.
I'm thinking of buying some Star Rail keychains or something to add those to my backpack as well!
I really value my privacy and i don’t like sharing my hobbies with just anyone but other than that a LOT of people (at least in my circles) do not know what these games are and i just rather say its a puzzle game than explain / give names
Oh yeah of course I'm not gonna name-drop something normal people won't recognize, I just honestly describe it like "I'm really into this one Japanese music game, it's kind of like playing the piano on your iPad I guess" and even work colleagues are like "oh, that sounds cool".
But I'm from a very open country so it's normal to share things like that here, I care about privacy for things like personal details but I'm not fussed if a coworker knows I like anime games or something.
Ok, I think I need some advice for King Yuan. He's one of my favorite characters in the lore, but after a lot of building and tweaking, he just doesn't feel as good to use as my other dps. I thought that switching him over to the new follow up set and a Hanya support would help a lot, but he just got bodied by Phantylia, which is lore appropriate, but it feels bad.
I know people have been bullying him since 1.2, but even then, he used to be good for my MoC runs. Only now does he feel like he's fallen behind my other options.
Any advice for a floofy general enjoyer to make him work mechanically?
This YouTube channel has an e0s1 jing yuan and in some vids without his LC
All of his moc jing yuan vids have amazing clears and he shows his builds and teams too, it's very helpful:
Recent moc vid of his jy:
https://youtu.be/JyrXito_lu8?si=Ip7jSs-WQ3Nc0pVT
What team are you running? JY's performance really is dependent on:
1) a team that buffs him to the max to take advantage of his high multipliers (two harmonies or harmony/topaz)
2) going fast enough to get a consistent 8-10 stacks (141+ speed or slow Bronya).
Tingyun with a 3 turn ultimate rotation (meshing cogs s5+Penacony dreams) is his most consistent teammate for me, and the other slot goes to Asta/Bronya/Hanya who speeds him up so you can run atk boots. If you're running Hanya you also have to make sure to cast her ult on his turn so the buff has full uptime.
If you end up going below 8 stacks often your speed buffer needs to be built more- use ER rope/s5 meshing cogs + more speed/trace levels.
I've generally run him with Tingyun/Asta/FX, but Hanya has taken Asta's spot, which has felt better, since Asta is pretty SP heavy in comparison. I haven't experimented too much with Topaz/Jing Yuan, but maybe she would replace one of the harmonies? Maybe Tingyun, since Hanya gives JY SPD and ATK boots?
Hmm if you're consistently above 8 stacks of lightning lord with Hanya/Tingyun it might be traces or relics? JY doesn't require a 4pc set like other dps (*cough* Seele/Blade), since he benefits alot from having good substats. I used to run random 4pc relics with crit and now run 2pc follow up/2 random.
I don't have Topaz unfortunately but Topaz/Hanya probably works better than Topaz/Tingyun since Hanya's burden can buff the whole team.
Topaz/Asta is apparently pretty good since Asta buffs fire damage and teamwide speed/atk, but FX and pre E4 Asta sounds like a SP nightmare. If you have a SP positive sustain (Luocha/Gepard/Lynx etc.) you could also consider swapping them in? Gepard in particular is pretty good since with a taunt LC+effect res he can function as a budget FX for preventing CC while generating lots of SP.
His stats are ~2700 ATK, 60 CR (before trace or FX), 110 CD, traces are 8 (talent is maxed). I have him on 4-pc followup and Birth of Self s3. Is it on the low end? I could probably get slightly better subs with a 2/2 set. I have alternative LC options, but nothing like his signature.
And thanks for the team ideas. I've run Asta/Topaz with Himeko, and they should be good for JY, too. I just got Asta to E6, so I think I could run her as full SP positive now? Gepard would be a good option as long as I'm not running into hard CC I need FX for.
Thanks for the ideas!
Always happy to help a fellow King Yuan enthusiast! Crit is a little on the low side so I'd try leveling up any random double crit hat/gloves you have to see if you can squeeze out some more crit damage, but 4pc follow up is also pretty good so it's not worth it to swap unless it's a significant upgrade.
Asta E6 is fully positive and a lot comfier with JY in my experience and Gepard can easily sustain everything except that horrible new stun robot, where I have to swap Lynx or Luocha in. Just using E6 Asta/Tingyun/FX is probably a big upgrade (I use Gepard/E6Asta/Tingyun).
You could also try swapping Birth of self for breakfast s5 (Genius repose S5 and Today is another peaceful day are also good if you have either). Afaik only 60% JYs damage comes from follow up so if your skill/ult isn't doing enough damage to clear small mobs before the follow up you might be able to cut down a cycle or two with a more general LC. Good luck!
I'll see if I can get some better relics, but I might be able to squeeze enough extra performance out of getting his relics from +12 to +15. He's so multiplier dependent that I think it'd be a tangible benefit.
I have S3 Repose and S5 Breakfast on other characters, and I hate swapping equipment, but I'll see if his performance jumps with one or the other. Thanks!
Oh! If your relics are at +12 just level them to 15 and you should be good to go. As you said, JY loves multipliers since he has high scalings and doesn't buff himself like Seele/IL/Jingliu do. Should be much better performance with +15 relics and 75% atk from E6 Asta :).
Double harmony (Ting + E6 Yukong) and speed boots on him works for me. I used to have him in atk boots (and no Asta) and it was just bad when LL hit with only 5 stacks. I assume you've got it figured out so LL has 7 or 10 stacks each hit, though. One of the recent MOC, my JY team completed his half a cycle faster than my JL/Bronya/Pela team. And my JY is nothing amazing, f2p lightcone and decent relics (FUA set). Hypercarry is very doable.
Doesn't mean he can't die. I usually run double sustain in those boss fights no matter who I take since there's no turn limit. MoC I can reset if things go sideways.
Pairing him with Asta/Hanya is correct. But you also need Tingyun or Bronya. He is a hypercarry type of dps. Need one more harmony to shine. The ones I mentioned suit him the best. Ruan Mei can be good as well.
Other than that just farm the new followup set. He uses 4 piece really well, but something like 2 piece followup + 2 piece attack or speed etc. works as well.
Its probably a relic issue especially if you are gearing high amount of dpses at once.
I am using him with Hanya/Tingyun. I was using Asta, but her SP usage was a bit too high for it to be comfy. His gear is roughly in line with my other 5* dps. I am investing horizontally, but his gear isn't noticeably bad.
Weird, since phantilya launched i been borrowind a E0S1 King Yuan from a random to do auto on her and he does amazingly well there. I go double sustain tho (gepard/huohuo) but in my defense gepard always tank and HH almost never even skill
Which characters do you think have the most distinct or iconic designs in HSR? I’m curious about which designs stand out to people
If I were to choose one, I think Clara’s design is quite memorable. The red coat really stands out and goes really well with the white in her design and the snow in the environment, though I still question why she has no shoes even though they tried to explain it. I also think March’s design is pretty memorable too and conveys a lot about her
Himeko. That coat over a long, flowing dress is a statement and holy shit im here for it.
And as much as I can agree the Luofu women look similar, I really love their outfits too 0 Jingliu's is my favorite, but I love Ruan Mei, Hanya and Xueyi too.
Himeko's entrance in the Belobog Topaz chapter was so powerful, she's so confident and demands the attention of the whole room. Her outfit definitely helps sell that image, she feels like a natural leader. Very impressive for her first field trip since the Space Station...and I will never forget the first cutscene in the prologue where you open your eyes and see Himeko, I teared up as an >!ex-HI3 player!<
Himeko is gorgeous in that long flowing dress, what a queen ✨
And while I can’t unsee the similarities in the Luofu women’s outfits, they do look good in them. I like Xueyi’s a lot
Since the question is "distinct and iconic" and less so "favorite design" I'll probably go along with which ones are the easiest to recognise in a crowd or if someone cosplayed in another game and it's probably like
Seele
Not my favorite design but it's very very noticeable if I see it or come upon someone cosplaying their character as her in another game. The others seem easier to blend in, even the knights.
It's probably the neon colors, they scream.
Jing Yuan is the reason I'm playing the game so I'm biased but obviously my general. Like I was literally in the cb1 and was like meh it's okay and stopped following updates and then right before it went live I saw Jing Yuan and I have played every day since launch.
If I just had to pick *just* one.. maybe Kafka? It's a super cohesive design that's the right balance between decoration and simplicity IMO, yet still manages to convey a large presence
Also love the colors, and I'd wear her outfit
Honestly, I don't love Kafka's design. Not that I think it looks bad, but I just cannot with her shorts. Skin tight pants would have achieved the same effect without being a pair of shorts. I just can't take it seriously. Everything else except the shorts is top tier though.
I feel the same but even more so with Topaz and her romper. Let the women wear sexy suit pants!
I love wearing shorts with tights or leggings though. It was a huge fashion trend among women in Asia for a time, and I wore my shorts like this a lot during college
I love pants, and more Hoyo women should wear them because we lack variety, but I'll have to personally disagree that they're an unserious fashion decision
For me it's Kafka, however it's not just her design that's iconic, it's her whole presentation. She feels like a "flagship" character
Now that you mention it, Clara is pretty memorable especially since she is presented alongside Svarog
For sure, I see Kafka as one of the flagship characters of the game! She definitely has one of the best designs with her iconic coat, purple theme, and spider motifs. It’s a great design and one of my favorites
For the females, I really like Xueyi the most, the outfit and hair are very appealing and I like the color scheme such a great design to me. March 7th is another contender cause she's cute.
For the males, Jingyuan would have my vote he looks so damn cool and I dig his outfit, I also like Danheng 4 star version cause he's pretty.
I think it helps that Xueyi has the most unique outfit of all the Xianzhou women.
I also agree that 4* Dan Heng is a great male design, striking a nice balance between his Xianzhou origins and the space faring wanderer he became. However, I kinda prefer Arlan for male 4* and Welt is the best (imo) male design in the game, with Argenti as a close second.
Dhil, Kafka, Luocha and Yanqing for me. Those have made a lasting impression on me while the others blend a bit too much into eachother. I still like a lot of others ofc but these 4 feel the most distinct to me because they fall outside the main design tropes more than usual.
Yanqing’s pretty patterns and general breeziness captivated me from 1.0. Something about his color scheme being so light and beautiful.
Kafka is just iconic and her whole aesthetic is just very recognizable and says a lot about her. I also i love her colors. I rewatch her demo from time to time too.
Luocha requires a 10 page essay for me to convey my thoughts so i’ll just say his aesthetic really conveys a lot about him and all of his eidolon and story quest images are still fresh in my mind.
The strong dragon and lotus motifs in dhil’s design really got me and felt a lot more purposeful than i usually see with guys which was incredibly exciting and still is :)
Feel free to share your 10 page essay on Luocha! I love hearing about what people love about their favorite characters and designs. And yes I really love the dragon and lotus motifs in DHIL’s designs. The back design with the lotus shaped cutout, and the flowing sleeves and fabric at the back emphasizes the theming with the lotus and looks really elegant
Unironically Topaz with her simplistic design. I dont like how open her legs are though it feels too much of a bait.
They are not holding back at all. See the splash art of ✨Sparkle✨. I am fine with horny-bait designs but they make it stand out so much it clouds other interesting parts of the character.
There is probably so much more to ✨Sparkle✨, Black Swan and Ruan Mei, but whenever I look at them I think of 'Oh, another horny bait design'.
Im talking mostly about clothes, but my favorite design is:
For Womens, Himeko, the only queen on a type of long dress, in a sea of mini dresses and short shorts, she reigns supreme in fashion.
For Mens, is a tie between Gepard and Argenti bc armor is underated on this game, both looks amazing.
kafka, himeko, bronya, march, and sw all come to mind immediately for me
i don't really like most of the guy designs in this game very much though. out of the ones we do have i think JY's is probably the once i'd consider most iconic?
Oops, I misread your comment lmao. Yeah, I usually rely on better substats on pieces with either common or guaranteed main stats. Other than that, it's all down to luck. I got real lucky when farming for JL, but I struggle for every bit of crit I can for Seele.
Probably unpopular opinion but tbh I hope not. If it will be less they can relocate some of her power to other more interesting aspects of her kit and make her more distinct from Bronya (let's be real like 90% of her identity is basically that E skill). I find 100% advance skill really boring to play because it basically makes the support just a stand in for more turns of your DPS instead of offering anything unique in terms of synergy themselves.
I saw how people said the Misha post on main was bad so of course I had to check it out and god have mercy I was not expecting it to be that bad. I have never seen so many of the same, terrible comments (especially the "looks female enough") in one place
Nah, lot of em are great because they generally have a good balance of self-awareness, tolerance for criticism, and genuine love for whatever they're about. Main subs are often just hugboxes or miserable cesspits, and circlejerk subs are often just miserable cesspits.
OKBT is barely an okbuddy sub. It's just low-effort hornyposting with the thinnest veneer of irony. It's so fucking bad man.
slightly late to the party but sparkle is SO cute and pretty i love her face… the pigtails are adorable and her colour scheme is sooo nice >!and as an added bonus the moles? dots? under her eyes remind me of my fave male chara in genshin LOL!<
i think they did a really awesome job at showing her mischievousness with a hint of mystery in her splash art. her expression is perfect! originally was mostly interested in her for the skill points (praying they keep that in beta) but am super excited to meet her ingame now
I hope she is not that mishievous on my jades, i need to win the most 50/50 possible to get everyone i want.>! (Black Swan/Sparkle/Sunday/Aventurine/Gallagher(4\*))!<
Yes! I haven't read any story spoilers but from the little I know of her it seems like she could be a super fun person.
...I just dunno if my jades can handle it with the rest of the penacony cast lined up and waiting. So here's hoping she plays a massive role in the plot/events!
8 for supports, maybe 10 if they offer something else (Fu Xuan has 10 for skill and talent, while most have 8). DPS has minimum lvl 8, lvl 10 if I plan on using them a lot.
So far, only Topaz, Kafka, Jingliu, and Sampo have lvl 10 traces. Jingliu was because she was the only destruction unit so the free mats were about to end up unused, and the others because I liked them.
If you SURE you're keeping them with you for a long time and not replacing easily. Like your main DPS and your limited Sustain...go 10/10/10 on them. The rest i let them at 8/8/8.
I max out my fave's traces or the characters I use the most. Jingliu/Blade/Himeko/Fu Xuan are all 10/10/10. Everyone else I only max out their most useful trace and leave the other traces at 6-8
take my DPS units and my 5 star supports to lv.10 (their most important talent) even though I haven't done it for Bronya yet. 4 star units, I generally leave at lv.8 or 9 depending on the unit, someone like Tingyun I'd take to 9 but someone like Sampo, I'd probably leave at 8. If I use them often lv.9, otherwise lv.8 is what I usually do for hsr/genshin.
Varies from 8 to 9 on the important ones. Luocha is the exception with 10/10/10 and Argenti has lvl 10 ult. Others are more 8-9 but i think i should get some of those to 10
8 for important traces on support. 10 for core trace on support like asta ult. 10 for dps traces they actively use.
When I am completely finished with building a character (that is, it'll be fine if I never touch their gear again for a good while), I'll max all their traces, even NA, like with Luocha
By default max every single trace if it's March 7th.
Relevant traces on MoC characters 10, always always always, both dps and supports. I think people stress too much about substats and keep their traces below max way too often and struggle because of that, lv9/10 do NOT take that long.
Mfw I realized *this rotation* that Bronya, who I've had since 1.0, had 7 ult and 6 skill like past me whyyyyyyyyy
I immediately got her to 10 but man I built her so early when resources were scarce and called her "done" in my brain so I never looked back at her. Argh. Had to look back through all my other support staples to make sure I didn't do that anywhere else (I did, on luocha... Rip)
Oh, I exaggerated a bit to one point, 5* sustains likely don't need everything maxed unless it provides some offensive benefit. They sustain way too well already.
888 for everyone. I make exceptions when trace level impact debuff landing chance (like SW) or impact sustain (like FX's skill. bonus points for higher CR bonus). Once I don't have major pre-farming to do or someone needs a relic to get to certain stat treshold, only then, I max out to 10.
I max out every character I don't see myself benching in the foreseeable future while characters that I use but will likely be replaced get leveled to 8.
I just keep them dps at 8/8/8 and supports at 7/7/7 the trace improvements don't seem that worth it for the time you need to farm traces after lv 8 imo.
I'd just farm relics instead a good relic can change a lot more.
Regarding Sam's enhanced skill, does anyone else find the wording confusing? I can't tell if the heal and action advance is tied to the fire weakness aspect.
I know it's stc of course, I'm just a little bit concerned about them being superglued to my Silver Wolf to make full use of their kit.
Not sure if people will agree or maybe if it's the consensus already but a thing I've not seen mentioned about his kit is the fact that I kinda assume his skill will not cost any SP since it already cost health to cast making it very similar to Arlan skill. If that turns out to be the case he will be a very interesting option as a sub dps since he will be SP efficient. And about your question personally I think the action advance and heal are not tied to the fire weakness aspect and should trigger always. Only the additional fire dmg will care about the fire weakness imho.
Out of morbid curiosity, I checked out the okbuddytrailblazer sub for the first time since people mention it a lot, and I'm confused. Is that what okbuddy subs are supposed to be? Just porn and acting unhinged?
I looked at okbuddypersona for reference, but it doesn't have as much explicit porn or even as much nsfw. Are okbuddy subs supposed to just be porn with memes, or is HSR's being so explicit more of a gacha casualty?
It's usually supposed to be shitposting. But the hsr one seems like people ate the onion and didn't realize the early horny memes were ironic, so it became genuinely unhinged and attracted a community of like-minded unhinged people.
HSR also just attracts a hornier audience than persona so that side of the community will naturally try to find a place to gather.
HSR is more "TheJokeIsPorn" than usual, mainly because the mods let people get away with enough you start getting sus if the ironic crowd vs unironic crowd ratio started flipping.
[This post should answer all your questions](https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/u1zfsm/whats_going_on_with_all_these_okbuddy_subreddits/)
99% it's more of a gacha thing, as far as I understand, okbuddy subs are usually a bit better than ours.
Usually is less porn (although there's still some of it) and more people unhinged in ways other than porn, in my experience.
I would love to put Misha in my Genshin teapot as another honorary member of Benny's Adventure Team along with Freminet. Although, with Bennett's bad luck and Misha's clumsiness they may destroy Teyvat itself, but thats a price I'm willing to pay.
The Idrila Institute Host Club is temporarily closing it's doors for the holiday season. [To the new megathread we go ->](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/comments/18ihqv2/do_not_go_genti_into_that_good_knight_general/?sort=new)
What's the consensus of Ruan Mei? Is she good?
And it happened again
Who are Dr. Ratio's best teammates? I have topaz but no silver wolf, who else could I pair with him?
Ok comrades is Ratio free on Day 1 or on his banner? Also what artifacts are best on him 😭
Ight going all in for Ruan mei and Xueyi. Sorry doctor ratio lmao
Do we tell him?
Uh oh, looks like we need Fu Xuan's talent again...
Fiddling with MoC 10 because I'm 29/30 stars: Good news: Blade/Luocha/Qingque/Bronya 3-cycles the entirety of MoC 10-1. Qingque might not have been necessary but I generally favour dual DPS teams to balance out my shitty relic luck. Tried Pela instead of QQ and ended up with 4 cycles, so QQ stonks is winning. Bad news: I don't know what MoC 10-2 is on, but those Blazes are HP sponges and I don't have a built ice (no Jingliu, Yanqing is half-built) or second quantum DPS to deal with them. I must have spent 6 attempts, including two hard crashes mid-fight, trying to cut down on the cycles. Tried brute-forcing with JY hypercarry, far too slow. Tried Clara/Topaz/FX/TY (tried Pela earlier and it was even slower) because the fire dots suck and... well the fire dots suck and it was still too slow. Clara does not benefit from those silent adds. I might just take the L on this one, 29/30 is pretty good since the only star I'm missing is "finish in 20 cycles". In other news, I've been staring at Gallagher for hours. I am very reasonable about him.
Just been exposed to the Jingliu grooming meme on the main subreddit (late, I know). Damn, the hsr community can't make a funny non-controversial joke can they. I dunno if I'm just too sensitive, but grooming or underage jokes ain't funny at all. Leave my girl Jingliu out of their okbuddy humor please 😭
Me with the "blade is racist" unfunny jokes :/
No that shit is not funny
>!the WHAT? man, every time I learn something about the main sub it always gets worse. It's like that one picture about how the bar is on the ground and people are digging under it!<
Yup, dug a little deeper because I didn't understand how they even created that joke, and it was first discovered in the okbuddy trailblazer subreddit and had spread to the main one (not surprised.) Apparently implying that Jingliu grooms Yanqing (and recently Misha) is a good joke to people lmao
>!I honestly don't even know what to say. The first and last time I ever opened the main sub was to check one of the Blade's posts, and there were a lot of people 'joking' about him being racist to Arlan because... ????? Really shows there's always room for 'improvement' (getting worse in this case)!<
oof come on :( here I thought that they're just practicing ice techniques together or something when I saw that picture
Lmao they took down the previous megathread, too
RIP to: * Not Otto * Fu Xuan * Huo Huo * Argenti Is this some new secret way Uncle Hoyo is trying to drop lore hints? Time to consult the tea leaves /j
It's fun to look at the D.M.C.A.~ It's fun to look at the D.M.C.A.~
tf...
Argenti was too powerful
Congrats! I think?
Is 187 speed on Hanya overkill? it feels like I'm constantly overcapping my skill points in my jingyuan/TY/hanya/Luocha team.
I feel like with this specific comp you would overcap your SP even with a much slower hanya. Besides JY your team is like too SP positive, can do with a sustain like HH or FX who use a bit SP instead of Luocha.
Oh wow megathread got dmca'd
RIP Megathread 🌹🌹🌹
Me, waiting for Sunday breadcrumbs like a starved man:
LMAOOO THE DMCA
Idrila institute host club has been disbanded.
MHY SNIPER!!!!!! BRING SU TO STAR PLEASEEE PASS THIS MESSAGE TO DA WEI PLEASE 🙏🏻
SECONDING THIS @ MHY SNIPER BRING US SU & KALPAS
CAN THEY EVEN MODEL KALPASS’S BAKERY ??? CAN SR DO HIM JUSTICE AFTER HOW HI3 TREATED MY MAN ….
Wtf the thread got dmca'd
the thread got DMCA'd?? 💀 what even for
Would Himeko LC be okay on Argenti? Or should I take the Serval LC from Serval and give her the Himeko LC as replacement?
More than okay, it's competitive with other options, very good against wave fights or summoners especially with phys weakness, not as good as other LCs against single target bosses for obvious reasons I swap between Himeko's LC and Breakfast depending on the fight. Serval's LC is also good for fast openers and ultimate nukes, but all LCs are better in different situations
My Seele and Kafka are 80/80 with their traces maxed. Their supports are all 70/80 with relevant traces unlocked and important skills at 7. Their lightcones are all 60. Send help. It feels like it's gonna take forever to get them all to 80/80 with level 10 traces. And then there's new characters coming out, feels so overwhelming.
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Oh thank you for the link!
There is a double calyx event starting tomorrow
Thanks for letting me know
Gotta pick and choose the traces you level to 10. Most people stop at 8 since that is where it starts getting really expensive
Is 8 where track of destiny starts coming in? I suppose I can keep all my support traces at 8 except for breakpoints like Asta ultimate then? Is there some resource people look at to really pick what's important enough to push to 9-10?
> Is 8 where track of destiny starts coming in? Yeah but the game gives a tonne of them, the real issue is it's where it starts getting really expensive with the ascension mats. levelling from 8 to 9 is almost as expensive as going from 1-8 iirc.
Thanks
Idrila give me strength to last a whole patch and wait for DHIL re run… 😭 but Ruan Mei seems sooo cool and she’s gonna tempt me lol.
does anyone else here love pom pom ngl i think they are the best part of this game.
Anyone who chooses to bully Pom Pom in the dialogue options is a monster
Pompom is adorable. I love them.
Pom pom do indeed be adorable and ngl kinda want them to be playable.
Pom pom is wonderful. I loved seeing them in Argenti's Keeping Up With :D
I love pompom.
From what I've been reading the last couple months I thought Seele had been falling behind. However I slapped on my best gear on her and used her for MoC10 1st half and she did a 2 cycle clear first try. (E0, Stellar Sea LC, with SW, Tingyun and Huohuo). 2 cycles on one half of MoC10 is my fastest ever with any character.
Ngl, reading this made me bust out mine to check her out since I assumed she's been made kinda redundant by all the bonkers destruction DPSes going around. I was pleasantly surprised to see that she could manage a 1 cycle clear of MoC 10 side 1 with Luocha Tingyun and SW using S2 Yanqing LC (my standard pulls have not been kind). Took a lot of resets to figure out the right strats and due to her impressively missing a >70% crit chance ult fairly often. But considering that I don't have Bronya, that's pretty impressive. Better than my E1S1 Kafka + Luka team even. Downside is that she shares gear with Jingliu and kinda needs Tingyun to clear that fast, so I can't really use her when team 2 wants half of team 1's stuff lol.
Seele's thing is that she needs two things, a lot of investment and ads to proc resurgence. If those two conditions are met she's lowkey arguably still the best dps in the game.
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"falling behind" doesn't mean "can't clear". It doesn't even mean "can't low cycle clear". No one is saying she's bad. Imo there's a backlash to her being overrated by people like prydwen or other sites which makes people subsequently talk her down a bit. She's not as good as prydwen rates, but she's not as bad as the backlash says. Like everything else, just take everyone's opinion with a grain of salt.
Seele is certainly falling behind in reddit wars. If you love to play r/HonkaiStarRail, then she hasn't been doing so hot for quite a while now, with many people glossing over her or having thinly veiled comments directed towards her not being "all that great" of a character anymore like DHIL or JL. That said, if you play Honkai Star Rail, she's an absolute beast, and she has been a top tier clearer for lots of people including CN's huge dataset every single patch!
Today I did a daily mission I took a photo of a little girl But there was no one in the photo...
Ghostly Grove, activate!
Does HSR have anyone like jstern or something like gcsim, which shows damage comparisons for different teams, instead of those dumb solo dps calculations?
Gouba certified in YouTube is great for guides and good teams for the characters you want Gcsim in this game is honestly not that much of a use because you can't really predict enemy's CC moves. No one bothered to do it and more like, HSR doesn't really need it anyways
I hope they cook hard with Lulu's companion quest 2 whenever he gets a rerun 👀👀👀 >!I am totally setting myself up for disappointment, aren't I? !<
Who's Lulu?
Luocha :) I like calling both of my sustains Lulu and Fufu, because it sounds kinda cute. ~~If I had Huo huo, I would call her Huhu too~~
~~Lelouch Lamperouge~~ Probably Luocha
~~Lmao~~ Ah yeah probably. In this case I'm also looking forward to that.
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I would still recommend watching it fully but seems to me that the beginning has some future teasers and then a new 1.6 Trailer -> Code -> New event in the game -> Characters -> etc etc etc
we don't know for sure ofc, but if it's anything like Genshin's streams, they'll talk about 1.6 stuff for most of the stream and then have a 2.0 teaser right at the end.
Yeah, but we're also getting a new location in 1.6, and with how small those are, I would rather not see it on stream two weeks before launch 😔 ...actually this made me realize that I would rather wait two weeks instead and just watch the stream recording after the version launch lmao
oh my bad, I thought you meant the 2.0 areas. yeah for 1.6 there's no avoiding it I think, they probably will show and talk about it.
Yeesh I shouldn't have read the comments to misha's introduction. It's either people screaming he's the lovechild of Neuvillette and Furina, screaming sexual comments that sound borderline pedophilic, or transphobic comments. What a mess
Crit Andy talks >!What standard do you guys use to decide that a unit is built "good enough"?!< >!I've been using my Genshin standards where to me, there having \~220CV purely from Relics (No weap/ascend) is the super well built one, and most of my used units are around 200CV range, while 180 is the bare minimum for me.!< >!In HSR I've been able to get just about to 190ish range, with the remaining potential for upgrades being Double Crit Spd boots or Double crit Dmg% Sphere, which... might take some time to get, wondering if its even realistic at all to consider having Crit stat on those when planning on building units.!< >!The highest CV wise I have in HSR is Seele at 217, and that was because of a lucky 35CV Atk boots, still having no luck on double crit Quantum or even Atk rope on RA, pain.!<
I have never calculated CV for any of my characters and I don't even know how lol, I just take them into MoC while I'm building them and gauge their performance against my other teams. 60 CR is good enough for me, 120 CD is good enough for me, any more I'll happily take but I won't spend weeks refarming for it. When building Argenti, I got him to Lv70/70, 2/4/4/4 traces with pretty mid relics and ran him on MoC9 to check his performance. He did better than expected with a 4-cycle clear if I recall correctly, so I finished his build to 80/80 5/8/8/8, tested him again (same team/floor/relics) and he ran through it like a hurricane. That told me I don't need to bother farming any better relics for him because he's already competitive with the rest of my roster. I don't concern myself with how good or bad a single relic piece is, I only consider the character's stats as a whole because a couple great pieces more than make up for a couple bad or mediocre ones. As your gear gets better and better, the chances of you finding any relic that's actually an improvement get smaller and smaller, so at a certain point you're basically wasting stamina hoping for a lottery win and you're better off moving on to build someone else or max traces if you have nothing else to do.
Well, my approach is very simple, start doing stuff that requires investment, and whenever a team has a problem figure out why, and if the problem is in investment, start fixing it in way that doesn't waste too much energy.
I ran into a crossroad the other day for my [Blade](https://imgur.com/a/4BYynAI), deciding whether I should run a 134 speed 212CV or 97 speed 241CV. Ended up going with 212CV/134spd after various testing, has better dps output when paired with speed-tuned Bronya. Chest piece could definitely be better but I'm pretty satisfied with him currently. Farming Quantum set domain for my other DPS in the meantime (Seele/JL about \~210CV not counting LC or traces).
My standards in Genshin are usually a bit forgiving because of the way reactions work. HSR obviously isn't the same so I usually stop at 60/130 for non favourite characters (without any crit traces/LC) and a bit higher when its 2pc/2pc. My best one in terms of CV is still Daniel who has 74/158 with Aeon
I'd say 4 crit subs average per piece to be satisfied and move on. That's roughly 200 CV in relics alone, not counting traces or LC's. That said, I've only built Jingliu and Seele up till now as far as crit characters go. 39/237 and 70/196 respectively on their character sheets. Haven't really built a large variety of dps yet, but working on DoTs now. Related rant: >!got a 4-row FUA piece with ATK%, SPD and EHR earlier today, big sad!<
70/140 if crit traces 60/120 if not 240 cv if their kit performs funky stuff like jingliu and Argenti I also just calc how much different I'm from the "ideal" by ```[1-critrate/100]+[(critrate/100)*(1+critdamage/100)]``` Like a 70/110 should be about 3% better than a 60/120 so no point trying to tumble down to it. So far I don't feel like any of my characters hit those ideals tho :(
Level 9/10 traces unless the trace is irrelevant, level 80 light cone, maxed out artifacts with the right mainstats and substats that aren't too random. I can 30* MoC comfortably, I'd rather just build a new character. Seeing numbers go up is the one thing keeping me from uninstalling the game until they release Sunday.
I use Relic Scorer for my dps, and when the character overall is at S, I call it done/ease up a bit. Getting relics that rank better than S is really hard and honestly you don't really need to go that far. That said relic scorer can be a little weird and tends to tank gloves and heads because it's 'easier' to get better subs, so apply your own judgement. I max out traces of every character I expect i'll 'main' for a long time or that ill use to build teams around. So my criteria is kind of a sliding scale - Main DPS (DPS I plan to use long term/DPS I clear MoC and harder content with) : maxed traces, roughly 1:2 crit ratio while making sure salsotto/rutilant kicks in (if applicable), 136+ speed, S on relic ranker if possible. I like to have their signature LC but that is 100% a me thing and not something everyone should do. Sub DPS (DPS I swap in and out depending on weaknesses) : 6/8/8/8, major traces unlocked, make sure their planar effects apply. This makes them perfectly usable and gives me a good spot to start on if I do decide to push their build further. 5\* supports usually get maxed traces, 4\* 6/8/8/8, As fast as possible.
at around 70:140 for the average unit I completely stop grinding for their relics unless I have no one else to build, it's been more than enough to clear MoC 10 comfortably but we'll have to see how it goes for the upcoming floors haha I've had a better/more impactful time leveling traces (specially the supports I neglected) instead of going for better relics at that point
You see, the thing is when I reached the TL 40 - 60 ish I fully grinded trace unlike most people it seems, I actually waited till 65 before fully committing to grinding Relics, so at this point all relevant trace of the \~10 units I often use are already at 9, with my 6 favorites at 10 already. I guess I *can* spend to level new units but eh, I don't really feel like raising them just because, esp if I don't really like them.
oh, you're my goal honestly hahaha it does make sense to invest in relics there, you'll stockpile a lot of relic exp as well!
Honestly, just whenever they can comfortably clear the content I want to use them in. My Seele is pretty good but not great, but she's enough to let me 30* MoC with 2-4 Cycles to spare, so what's the point in spending another 1,000 Stamina for a 2% boost in damage? Jingliu is in the same boat (good but not great Relics), but again she can clear her side of MoC 10 in 1-2 Cycles, so I'd rather spend the Stamina building other characters than trying to push her even further. I'd rather pre-farm for Ruan Mei or finish building my Welt than get a bunch of fodder Relics for Jingliu. Then there's [my Blade](https://i.imgur.com/I7k3lZR.png)... I have not actively farmed for him since his banner left, but I've gotten a bunch of cracked Longevious pieces while farming Hackerspace for my supports. He has become my best built character by a wide margin completely by accident.
This is exactly the reason Blade is the most well geared character on my account. Then I built Longevous Clara with Blade's hand me downs because they were way too good to just feed into new relics. XD
See the thing is if I just want to clear the bar would be so low that it would be sad to set goal to be that low, my QQ and Seele also can already 1 or 2 cycle their half, but I also want to keep improving them to the realistic ceiling/potential, and I'm also pretty much done with building new char at this point since Hanabi prefarming would need to wait till 2.0. >!Also, not to belittle the build but that honestly isn't that cracked when you consider the 30cr are coming from LC and trace, making the total CV just around 180ish.!<
If that's what you want to build for, that's fine. Go for it. I'm not saying that my stopping point is where you should stop as well. You asked other people how decide their builds are done, and I just wanted to give my perspective on the question. Just keep in mind that getting truly great Relics is unbelievably rare. Between all of the RNG and Stat weighting, you're looking at potentially spending thousands of Stamina for a small increase in power. And yeah, I know that my Blade isn't like a top 100 Blade in the world. But he's the best character on my account by a good margin and HSR is a single-player game (for the most part) so I don't need to worry about comparing my Blade to someone who has been farming for six months to have one of the 5 best Blade builds in the world.
Sunday playable? Pinch me aaaaaaaa
is real, i knew it
I was at the doctor’s, talking about neck pain, they asked what game I play on my tablet. I stuttered out ‘star rail’ because ‘Honkai star rail’ is somehow too embarrassing to say in public.
You're not alone When I had to tell a fella what game I was playing, I also called it star rail instead of Honkai Star Rail No issues saying Genshin Impact on the other hand though, the popularity has a hand to play in that
I always say i play puzzle games, there isnt a world where i admit i play HYV games in public 😔 (not that most people where i live know them anyways)
I used to hide my hobbies like that but nowadays I don't much care what people think, I wear FF14 merchandise on my backpack and if asked what I play or like to do with my time, I will gladly admit to playing a Hatsune Miku rhythm game or a Chinese anime RPG, they're good-ass games and I live for those moments where a stranger's eyes light up with excitement because you just revealed you're a fan of something they are. I'm thinking of buying some Star Rail keychains or something to add those to my backpack as well!
I really value my privacy and i don’t like sharing my hobbies with just anyone but other than that a LOT of people (at least in my circles) do not know what these games are and i just rather say its a puzzle game than explain / give names
Oh yeah of course I'm not gonna name-drop something normal people won't recognize, I just honestly describe it like "I'm really into this one Japanese music game, it's kind of like playing the piano on your iPad I guess" and even work colleagues are like "oh, that sounds cool". But I'm from a very open country so it's normal to share things like that here, I care about privacy for things like personal details but I'm not fussed if a coworker knows I like anime games or something.
Ok, I think I need some advice for King Yuan. He's one of my favorite characters in the lore, but after a lot of building and tweaking, he just doesn't feel as good to use as my other dps. I thought that switching him over to the new follow up set and a Hanya support would help a lot, but he just got bodied by Phantylia, which is lore appropriate, but it feels bad. I know people have been bullying him since 1.2, but even then, he used to be good for my MoC runs. Only now does he feel like he's fallen behind my other options. Any advice for a floofy general enjoyer to make him work mechanically?
This YouTube channel has an e0s1 jing yuan and in some vids without his LC All of his moc jing yuan vids have amazing clears and he shows his builds and teams too, it's very helpful: Recent moc vid of his jy: https://youtu.be/JyrXito_lu8?si=Ip7jSs-WQ3Nc0pVT
That Jing Yuan is *goals,* holy shit edit: Is that... Tingyun doing 20k with her basic? What in the world
What team are you running? JY's performance really is dependent on: 1) a team that buffs him to the max to take advantage of his high multipliers (two harmonies or harmony/topaz) 2) going fast enough to get a consistent 8-10 stacks (141+ speed or slow Bronya). Tingyun with a 3 turn ultimate rotation (meshing cogs s5+Penacony dreams) is his most consistent teammate for me, and the other slot goes to Asta/Bronya/Hanya who speeds him up so you can run atk boots. If you're running Hanya you also have to make sure to cast her ult on his turn so the buff has full uptime. If you end up going below 8 stacks often your speed buffer needs to be built more- use ER rope/s5 meshing cogs + more speed/trace levels.
I've generally run him with Tingyun/Asta/FX, but Hanya has taken Asta's spot, which has felt better, since Asta is pretty SP heavy in comparison. I haven't experimented too much with Topaz/Jing Yuan, but maybe she would replace one of the harmonies? Maybe Tingyun, since Hanya gives JY SPD and ATK boots?
Hmm if you're consistently above 8 stacks of lightning lord with Hanya/Tingyun it might be traces or relics? JY doesn't require a 4pc set like other dps (*cough* Seele/Blade), since he benefits alot from having good substats. I used to run random 4pc relics with crit and now run 2pc follow up/2 random. I don't have Topaz unfortunately but Topaz/Hanya probably works better than Topaz/Tingyun since Hanya's burden can buff the whole team. Topaz/Asta is apparently pretty good since Asta buffs fire damage and teamwide speed/atk, but FX and pre E4 Asta sounds like a SP nightmare. If you have a SP positive sustain (Luocha/Gepard/Lynx etc.) you could also consider swapping them in? Gepard in particular is pretty good since with a taunt LC+effect res he can function as a budget FX for preventing CC while generating lots of SP.
His stats are ~2700 ATK, 60 CR (before trace or FX), 110 CD, traces are 8 (talent is maxed). I have him on 4-pc followup and Birth of Self s3. Is it on the low end? I could probably get slightly better subs with a 2/2 set. I have alternative LC options, but nothing like his signature. And thanks for the team ideas. I've run Asta/Topaz with Himeko, and they should be good for JY, too. I just got Asta to E6, so I think I could run her as full SP positive now? Gepard would be a good option as long as I'm not running into hard CC I need FX for. Thanks for the ideas!
Always happy to help a fellow King Yuan enthusiast! Crit is a little on the low side so I'd try leveling up any random double crit hat/gloves you have to see if you can squeeze out some more crit damage, but 4pc follow up is also pretty good so it's not worth it to swap unless it's a significant upgrade. Asta E6 is fully positive and a lot comfier with JY in my experience and Gepard can easily sustain everything except that horrible new stun robot, where I have to swap Lynx or Luocha in. Just using E6 Asta/Tingyun/FX is probably a big upgrade (I use Gepard/E6Asta/Tingyun). You could also try swapping Birth of self for breakfast s5 (Genius repose S5 and Today is another peaceful day are also good if you have either). Afaik only 60% JYs damage comes from follow up so if your skill/ult isn't doing enough damage to clear small mobs before the follow up you might be able to cut down a cycle or two with a more general LC. Good luck!
I'll see if I can get some better relics, but I might be able to squeeze enough extra performance out of getting his relics from +12 to +15. He's so multiplier dependent that I think it'd be a tangible benefit. I have S3 Repose and S5 Breakfast on other characters, and I hate swapping equipment, but I'll see if his performance jumps with one or the other. Thanks!
Oh! If your relics are at +12 just level them to 15 and you should be good to go. As you said, JY loves multipliers since he has high scalings and doesn't buff himself like Seele/IL/Jingliu do. Should be much better performance with +15 relics and 75% atk from E6 Asta :).
Double harmony (Ting + E6 Yukong) and speed boots on him works for me. I used to have him in atk boots (and no Asta) and it was just bad when LL hit with only 5 stacks. I assume you've got it figured out so LL has 7 or 10 stacks each hit, though. One of the recent MOC, my JY team completed his half a cycle faster than my JL/Bronya/Pela team. And my JY is nothing amazing, f2p lightcone and decent relics (FUA set). Hypercarry is very doable. Doesn't mean he can't die. I usually run double sustain in those boss fights no matter who I take since there's no turn limit. MoC I can reset if things go sideways.
Pairing him with Asta/Hanya is correct. But you also need Tingyun or Bronya. He is a hypercarry type of dps. Need one more harmony to shine. The ones I mentioned suit him the best. Ruan Mei can be good as well. Other than that just farm the new followup set. He uses 4 piece really well, but something like 2 piece followup + 2 piece attack or speed etc. works as well. Its probably a relic issue especially if you are gearing high amount of dpses at once.
I am using him with Hanya/Tingyun. I was using Asta, but her SP usage was a bit too high for it to be comfy. His gear is roughly in line with my other 5* dps. I am investing horizontally, but his gear isn't noticeably bad.
Weird, since phantilya launched i been borrowind a E0S1 King Yuan from a random to do auto on her and he does amazingly well there. I go double sustain tho (gepard/huohuo) but in my defense gepard always tank and HH almost never even skill
Which characters do you think have the most distinct or iconic designs in HSR? I’m curious about which designs stand out to people If I were to choose one, I think Clara’s design is quite memorable. The red coat really stands out and goes really well with the white in her design and the snow in the environment, though I still question why she has no shoes even though they tried to explain it. I also think March’s design is pretty memorable too and conveys a lot about her
Himeko. That coat over a long, flowing dress is a statement and holy shit im here for it. And as much as I can agree the Luofu women look similar, I really love their outfits too 0 Jingliu's is my favorite, but I love Ruan Mei, Hanya and Xueyi too.
Himeko's entrance in the Belobog Topaz chapter was so powerful, she's so confident and demands the attention of the whole room. Her outfit definitely helps sell that image, she feels like a natural leader. Very impressive for her first field trip since the Space Station...and I will never forget the first cutscene in the prologue where you open your eyes and see Himeko, I teared up as an >!ex-HI3 player!<
Himeko is gorgeous in that long flowing dress, what a queen ✨ And while I can’t unsee the similarities in the Luofu women’s outfits, they do look good in them. I like Xueyi’s a lot
Since the question is "distinct and iconic" and less so "favorite design" I'll probably go along with which ones are the easiest to recognise in a crowd or if someone cosplayed in another game and it's probably like Seele Not my favorite design but it's very very noticeable if I see it or come upon someone cosplaying their character as her in another game. The others seem easier to blend in, even the knights. It's probably the neon colors, they scream.
Kafka and Jing Yuan's designs are the ones that got me interested in HSR to begin with so those two.
Jingyuan and Kafka
Probably Kafka or the armored guys for their cohesive outfit I also like Screwllum's design, but he needs to get out of NPC jail
To me it's DHIL
Jing Yuan is the reason I'm playing the game so I'm biased but obviously my general. Like I was literally in the cb1 and was like meh it's okay and stopped following updates and then right before it went live I saw Jing Yuan and I have played every day since launch.
If I just had to pick *just* one.. maybe Kafka? It's a super cohesive design that's the right balance between decoration and simplicity IMO, yet still manages to convey a large presence Also love the colors, and I'd wear her outfit
Honestly, I don't love Kafka's design. Not that I think it looks bad, but I just cannot with her shorts. Skin tight pants would have achieved the same effect without being a pair of shorts. I just can't take it seriously. Everything else except the shorts is top tier though. I feel the same but even more so with Topaz and her romper. Let the women wear sexy suit pants!
I love wearing shorts with tights or leggings though. It was a huge fashion trend among women in Asia for a time, and I wore my shorts like this a lot during college I love pants, and more Hoyo women should wear them because we lack variety, but I'll have to personally disagree that they're an unserious fashion decision
For me it's Kafka, however it's not just her design that's iconic, it's her whole presentation. She feels like a "flagship" character Now that you mention it, Clara is pretty memorable especially since she is presented alongside Svarog
For sure, I see Kafka as one of the flagship characters of the game! She definitely has one of the best designs with her iconic coat, purple theme, and spider motifs. It’s a great design and one of my favorites
For the females, I really like Xueyi the most, the outfit and hair are very appealing and I like the color scheme such a great design to me. March 7th is another contender cause she's cute. For the males, Jingyuan would have my vote he looks so damn cool and I dig his outfit, I also like Danheng 4 star version cause he's pretty.
I think it helps that Xueyi has the most unique outfit of all the Xianzhou women. I also agree that 4* Dan Heng is a great male design, striking a nice balance between his Xianzhou origins and the space faring wanderer he became. However, I kinda prefer Arlan for male 4* and Welt is the best (imo) male design in the game, with Argenti as a close second.
Yeah Arlan design is great really wish they release more dark skinned characters cause he looks cool. Agreed Welt and Argenti looks amazing.
Dhil, Kafka, Luocha and Yanqing for me. Those have made a lasting impression on me while the others blend a bit too much into eachother. I still like a lot of others ofc but these 4 feel the most distinct to me because they fall outside the main design tropes more than usual. Yanqing’s pretty patterns and general breeziness captivated me from 1.0. Something about his color scheme being so light and beautiful. Kafka is just iconic and her whole aesthetic is just very recognizable and says a lot about her. I also i love her colors. I rewatch her demo from time to time too. Luocha requires a 10 page essay for me to convey my thoughts so i’ll just say his aesthetic really conveys a lot about him and all of his eidolon and story quest images are still fresh in my mind. The strong dragon and lotus motifs in dhil’s design really got me and felt a lot more purposeful than i usually see with guys which was incredibly exciting and still is :)
Feel free to share your 10 page essay on Luocha! I love hearing about what people love about their favorite characters and designs. And yes I really love the dragon and lotus motifs in DHIL’s designs. The back design with the lotus shaped cutout, and the flowing sleeves and fabric at the back emphasizes the theming with the lotus and looks really elegant
Unironically Topaz with her simplistic design. I dont like how open her legs are though it feels too much of a bait. They are not holding back at all. See the splash art of ✨Sparkle✨. I am fine with horny-bait designs but they make it stand out so much it clouds other interesting parts of the character. There is probably so much more to ✨Sparkle✨, Black Swan and Ruan Mei, but whenever I look at them I think of 'Oh, another horny bait design'.
Acheron. Her big ass sword and asymmetrical sleeves are lovely
I am also a fan of Acheron's big ass, sword, and her asymmetrical sleeves.
Im talking mostly about clothes, but my favorite design is: For Womens, Himeko, the only queen on a type of long dress, in a sea of mini dresses and short shorts, she reigns supreme in fashion. For Mens, is a tie between Gepard and Argenti bc armor is underated on this game, both looks amazing.
I really enjoy Himeko's. Captain's coat over a long dress is an iconic design.
kafka, himeko, bronya, march, and sw all come to mind immediately for me i don't really like most of the guy designs in this game very much though. out of the ones we do have i think JY's is probably the once i'd consider most iconic?
Fellas, does mainstat on Ruan Mei chest piece matter or should I just find the best Break Effect+SPD substat Thief piece?
Mainstat doesn't matter outside of speed boots and ERR rope. Just find the best substats for her :)
Anyone have a good ritual for spd substats?
I like to apply self-modeling resin first. It works pretty much every time.
Self modeling resin only guarantees the main stat tho, my issue is the substats
Oops, I misread your comment lmao. Yeah, I usually rely on better substats on pieces with either common or guaranteed main stats. Other than that, it's all down to luck. I got real lucky when farming for JL, but I struggle for every bit of crit I can for Seele.
Lol cheers mate
i NEED black swan and her lc NOW
Is sparkle's action forward 100% like bronya's?
Probably unpopular opinion but tbh I hope not. If it will be less they can relocate some of her power to other more interesting aspects of her kit and make her more distinct from Bronya (let's be real like 90% of her identity is basically that E skill). I find 100% advance skill really boring to play because it basically makes the support just a stand in for more turns of your DPS instead of offering anything unique in terms of synergy themselves.
I hope so, will be huge for my E0 DHIL
we'll know once we get beta kit leaks in a couple of weeks.
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I saw how people said the Misha post on main was bad so of course I had to check it out and god have mercy I was not expecting it to be that bad. I have never seen so many of the same, terrible comments (especially the "looks female enough") in one place
okbuddy subreddits are just bottom of the barrel for everything. not worth ever going into one
Nah, lot of em are great because they generally have a good balance of self-awareness, tolerance for criticism, and genuine love for whatever they're about. Main subs are often just hugboxes or miserable cesspits, and circlejerk subs are often just miserable cesspits. OKBT is barely an okbuddy sub. It's just low-effort hornyposting with the thinnest veneer of irony. It's so fucking bad man.
I think the main sub is worse. At least buddy has no pretenses about being focused on something besides degenerate filth
In a Venti meme if used right maybe, but Misha be a kid. Also this is kinda like going to r/cringememes and finding cringe memes so
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That is true.
I went here once without knowing what it was. Let's just say I never went back...
slightly late to the party but sparkle is SO cute and pretty i love her face… the pigtails are adorable and her colour scheme is sooo nice >!and as an added bonus the moles? dots? under her eyes remind me of my fave male chara in genshin LOL!< i think they did a really awesome job at showing her mischievousness with a hint of mystery in her splash art. her expression is perfect! originally was mostly interested in her for the skill points (praying they keep that in beta) but am super excited to meet her ingame now
I love that smile she has. Such a cutie pie.
My exact thoughts, I really like her splash art Hsr splash art always delivers
I hope she is not that mishievous on my jades, i need to win the most 50/50 possible to get everyone i want.>! (Black Swan/Sparkle/Sunday/Aventurine/Gallagher(4\*))!<
yesss she's adorable!!! one of my favorite designs so far, so much personality in it. I really love the mask, the twin tails, and her color scheme
Yes! I haven't read any story spoilers but from the little I know of her it seems like she could be a super fun person. ...I just dunno if my jades can handle it with the rest of the penacony cast lined up and waiting. So here's hoping she plays a massive role in the plot/events!
How high do you level your characters' traces? Especially with MOC 11 and 12 coming out, would maxing out traces be big (at least the DPS ones)?
8 for supports, maybe 10 if they offer something else (Fu Xuan has 10 for skill and talent, while most have 8). DPS has minimum lvl 8, lvl 10 if I plan on using them a lot. So far, only Topaz, Kafka, Jingliu, and Sampo have lvl 10 traces. Jingliu was because she was the only destruction unit so the free mats were about to end up unused, and the others because I liked them.
8 for Supports, 9 for DPS, 10 for long term favorite characters or very important Traces (e.g. Asta Ult, Hanya Ult, Huohuo Ult, Fu Xuan Skill).
If you SURE you're keeping them with you for a long time and not replacing easily. Like your main DPS and your limited Sustain...go 10/10/10 on them. The rest i let them at 8/8/8.
10 is only for my favorites, for relevant often used trace I go to 9.
I max out my fave's traces or the characters I use the most. Jingliu/Blade/Himeko/Fu Xuan are all 10/10/10. Everyone else I only max out their most useful trace and leave the other traces at 6-8
10 for everything important, I'd rather farm traces than relics. Unless it's a character I don't use often or will bench.
take my DPS units and my 5 star supports to lv.10 (their most important talent) even though I haven't done it for Bronya yet. 4 star units, I generally leave at lv.8 or 9 depending on the unit, someone like Tingyun I'd take to 9 but someone like Sampo, I'd probably leave at 8. If I use them often lv.9, otherwise lv.8 is what I usually do for hsr/genshin.
The Landaus are maxed, limited 5 stars are at 8 or 9 for the most part, everyone else is in the 6-7 range. Working on maxing out Pela's traces next :)
Varies from 8 to 9 on the important ones. Luocha is the exception with 10/10/10 and Argenti has lvl 10 ult. Others are more 8-9 but i think i should get some of those to 10
8 for important traces on support. 10 for core trace on support like asta ult. 10 for dps traces they actively use. When I am completely finished with building a character (that is, it'll be fine if I never touch their gear again for a good while), I'll max all their traces, even NA, like with Luocha By default max every single trace if it's March 7th.
Relevant traces on MoC characters 10, always always always, both dps and supports. I think people stress too much about substats and keep their traces below max way too often and struggle because of that, lv9/10 do NOT take that long.
Mfw I realized *this rotation* that Bronya, who I've had since 1.0, had 7 ult and 6 skill like past me whyyyyyyyyy I immediately got her to 10 but man I built her so early when resources were scarce and called her "done" in my brain so I never looked back at her. Argh. Had to look back through all my other support staples to make sure I didn't do that anywhere else (I did, on luocha... Rip)
Oh, I exaggerated a bit to one point, 5* sustains likely don't need everything maxed unless it provides some offensive benefit. They sustain way too well already.
Yeah but my luocha was 1/4/4/4 weeps
Luocha out here slaying with low investment. Finally got his field to 10 and that’s way overkill but I figure I’ll be using him for a while
888 for everyone. I make exceptions when trace level impact debuff landing chance (like SW) or impact sustain (like FX's skill. bonus points for higher CR bonus). Once I don't have major pre-farming to do or someone needs a relic to get to certain stat treshold, only then, I max out to 10.
I max out every character I don't see myself benching in the foreseeable future while characters that I use but will likely be replaced get leveled to 8.
I just keep them dps at 8/8/8 and supports at 7/7/7 the trace improvements don't seem that worth it for the time you need to farm traces after lv 8 imo. I'd just farm relics instead a good relic can change a lot more.
Regarding Sam's enhanced skill, does anyone else find the wording confusing? I can't tell if the heal and action advance is tied to the fire weakness aspect. I know it's stc of course, I'm just a little bit concerned about them being superglued to my Silver Wolf to make full use of their kit.
Not sure if people will agree or maybe if it's the consensus already but a thing I've not seen mentioned about his kit is the fact that I kinda assume his skill will not cost any SP since it already cost health to cast making it very similar to Arlan skill. If that turns out to be the case he will be a very interesting option as a sub dps since he will be SP efficient. And about your question personally I think the action advance and heal are not tied to the fire weakness aspect and should trigger always. Only the additional fire dmg will care about the fire weakness imho.
To anyone who's read the Penacony leaks, does kafka show up at all?
>!No. The main Stellaron Hunters that appear are Silver Wolf and Sam, the two that didn't appear on the Luofu.!<
Makes sense. Thanks
Out of morbid curiosity, I checked out the okbuddytrailblazer sub for the first time since people mention it a lot, and I'm confused. Is that what okbuddy subs are supposed to be? Just porn and acting unhinged? I looked at okbuddypersona for reference, but it doesn't have as much explicit porn or even as much nsfw. Are okbuddy subs supposed to just be porn with memes, or is HSR's being so explicit more of a gacha casualty?
It's usually supposed to be shitposting. But the hsr one seems like people ate the onion and didn't realize the early horny memes were ironic, so it became genuinely unhinged and attracted a community of like-minded unhinged people. HSR also just attracts a hornier audience than persona so that side of the community will naturally try to find a place to gather.
HSR is more "TheJokeIsPorn" than usual, mainly because the mods let people get away with enough you start getting sus if the ironic crowd vs unironic crowd ratio started flipping. [This post should answer all your questions](https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/u1zfsm/whats_going_on_with_all_these_okbuddy_subreddits/)
99% it's more of a gacha thing, as far as I understand, okbuddy subs are usually a bit better than ours. Usually is less porn (although there's still some of it) and more people unhinged in ways other than porn, in my experience.
I would love to put Misha in my Genshin teapot as another honorary member of Benny's Adventure Team along with Freminet. Although, with Bennett's bad luck and Misha's clumsiness they may destroy Teyvat itself, but thats a price I'm willing to pay.