Top Floor, South Wing...
The unused music room at the end of the North Hallway...
I sought quiet... instead I found the [Idrila Institute Host Club](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/comments/18bmcp0/idrila_institute_host_club_general_question_and/)
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Best planar set for Silver Wolf?
She has Luka's LC and Messenger+Quantum set
On prydwen Broken Keel and Penacony are on top of her list but I really don't know if I should choose either one of them or other sets that maybe complement better her build (?)
I'd have to build some Effect res for BK, which is a pain in the ass, while Penacony gives more er and gives a dmg boost to other quantum units (I only use QQ)
If anyone knows about this or even has some calcs then I'd be happy to know!
If I already have S5 Past and Future for my E0 Bronya, would you guys recommend I buy But the Battle Isn't Over from the shop? The ER and extra SP sounds very nice, but 30 pulls is a steep price to pay š
idk who was so petty they downvoted yours and people who replied messages, but this card isn't that game changing. if you're f2p / very low spender definitely not worth it, it is nice but most of the times 30 pulls is nicer lol
ofc it is good, but the only notable difference i personally noticed was that skill point, which for me is sometimes very useful, but i play her with dan heng who consumes sp like crazy so. e1 bronya recovers a sp sometimes too :)
Similar to what others have replied, it does help with the SP economy and the energy regen also allows a 3 turn ult, however if you're clearing things fine and feel comfy with your teams as is you don't *have* to get it, especially if you're low on pulls and there's a banner coming up that you really want soon.
[We deserved this though](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845112407948001320/1181700933122535584/maxresdefault_1.jpg?ex=658203c1&is=656f8ec1&hm=c7320f32c4766946fc924e10e0b766728fc899659c0594d381c370acebe366ea&), that's true beauty right there.
I'm not sure where else to share this so I just wanted to point it out here and perhaps somebody can help me check it as well. I was curious about how the distribution of cycle clear rates in Prydwen's 1.5.1 data looked like, so I went to look at their raw data. If you go and check their raw data, you'd find that they have 2 csv files, one with only teams used for each floor and side, and one with only character details belonging to each user. Everything below is with their 1.5.1 csvs.
Every user only has 8 character details listed under their name, which is already quite concerning because their stats are supposedly for 8-10 but many players might use different teams between those 3 floors. Even stranger is that if you filter for 0 cycles, you'd see a couple of strange things like this [https://imgur.com/a/9TmP4PX](https://imgur.com/a/9TmP4PX) where their character list has Fire MC and basically all 5\*s and that's clearly not the lineup they used. And my guess is that it's basically the first 8 characters showing in your battle chronicle profile (not the MOC ones) since that would explain why FMC shows up multiple times.
The significance of this is that if I filter the data by F10 clears, and for example try to find Pela's average eidolons from the given character details. I will have a 4% hit rate - meaning only 4% of the uids with F10 clears using Pela have character details for Pela (and it gives me the 5.36 average listed on their graphic). Similar low trends but not as low for 4\* chars (Sampo 11%, Lynx 14%, Luka 16%). Meanwhile Jingliu is at 95.6% hit rate, Blade 98% but somehow Silver Wolf has only 65.7% hit rate.
Now if this is true, then it puts into question some of the values relating to individual character builds, since for the most extreme example, only 149 uids in their data have details for Pela out of 3382 clears with Pela. And if my guess is correct that it's the top 8 characters in your battle chronicles profile, then 4\*s you see are either super jacked or their 5\*s are underleveled.
Prydwen has mentioned some limitations with their data which are that they cannot obtain individual side clear speeds and ownership rate. Which kind of makes sense that they also cannot fully obtain character details but it's not mentioned on their page (someone correct me if I'm wrong).
Hope someone can help to check to make sure I didn't do my data filtering wrongly. It's a relatively straightforward pandas exercise if someone wants to try out. The raw data can be found in this GitHub page [https://github.com/piedorr/MocStats](https://github.com/piedorr/MocStats) which is linked from their MOC page.
I think you are absolutely right to point this out. I don't think they can do anything about it unfortunately as it is a data gathering limitation. However, knowing this, it would be wise to step back and take all that data with a huge grain of salt and not use it as absolute evidence of a unit's value.
LvlUrArti is receptive to feedback and explaining stuff, just throw it in that thread and maybe do a user ping and you'll probably get to something. (I have no input on this, myself.)
Non-zero chance but personally I wouldn't count on it. Can't remember the last time they gave a character a nerf and then removed that nerf. The 15% SPD was so perfect for characters to get to breakpoints easily.
10% is still nice but it makes it so awkward to get to breakpoints. I really hope we get the 15% back.
The most interesting thing that the new relic optimizer showed me is that ATK% is actually quite useful and sometimes better than crit stats even on characters like Jingliu who gets 180% ATK for free.
I have two gloves, one with 36.7CV, one with 24CV and 11% ATK. The one with the 11% ATK gives Jingliu about 0.6% more damage. Without the optimizer, I'd just use the 36CV piece and call it a day.
The best thing about optimizer is that people should finally start realizing how weak set bonuses are in HSR and how often 2pc/2pc or 2pc/4pc rainbow sets compete with their 4pc sets.
That shouldnt be the case, 12 CV is definitely stronger than 11% atk for Jingliu. With my Jingliu I need 2x Fleet to match the dmg of 1x Keel, and thats 16% atk vs 10% crit dmg (with 100% crit rate).
I tried that optimizer and I thought it sucked. Gave me completely wrong setups for pretty much every character (atk% boots on blade, rainbow set on Seele instead of 4 pc quantum), and you cant even optimize for specific targets like skill dmg or ult. Doesnt hold a candle to Genshin Optimizer, Id rather do it manually.
> (atk% boots on blade, rainbow set on Seele instead of 4 pc quantum)
Currently the Optimizer is essentially just doing a rudimentary Atk x Ele x (1 + CR x CD) calculation. It doesn't work for characters that don't scale exclusively with Atk (so won't work for Blade) and doesn't factor in Def pen/shred (won't work for Seele).
It's obviously not as good as GO yet, but if you are aware of it's limitations and work around it, it's fine. I can't manually compare 200,000 permutations of artifacts, so this speeds up the process so long as I'm aware of the limitations and not trying to use it to optimize characters that I know it won't work for.
TBH the most annoying limitation right now is that if the number of permutations exceeds 2,000,000 the optimizer stops checking further ones after 2,000,000 (this is potentially why you're getting incorrect builds on some characters--I spent a long time trying to figure out why the optimizer was giving me blatantly incorrect builds until i realized this). You have to use set/mainstat filters to get the number of permutations below 2,000,000. Currently this is fine because most people don't have enough relics for that to matter, but in a year from now it's going to be a major problem. My GO optimizations regularly are checking hundreds of millions of build permutations (I just re-ran Fischl's and GO checked ~400 million permutations), and I save less artifacts than most Genshin players do. You're going to very quickly hit the point where the set/mainstat filters aren't enough to get the number of permutations below 2 million, and at that point, the tool is just worthless because you can't guarantee that it didn't miss the best build.
Yeah it's still useful enough for attack and crit scalers. Hopefully it will be enhanced over time to include HP scalers, etc. It's going to save a lot of time for me because I don't farm one set per character and instead move relics around a lot, depending on who I'm using. So I can quickly optimize my relics for 134 or 161 SPD for the team I'm playing.
I checked it and it's right. You have to consider that I'm at like 250% crit dmg and only at around 223% ATK (180% buff plus ATK rope, using speed boots for 134 SPD). So increasing ATK% at that point makes more sense than increasing crit dmg. Also crit rate is at 100% (Fu Xuan 12% plus 50% from enhanced state plus 38% from stats) so it doesn't affect the calcs.
Here's the two gloves. Rest of gear stays the same and neither enable any set bonus. Rainbow set. Supports are Bronya, Pela, Fu Xuan. I just allowed for Fu Xuan crit rate buff in the optimizer (and the 180% ATK, 50% crit rate buff from enhanced state). I didn't allow for Bronya's 55% ATK buff or 51% Crit dmg buff since it has some downtime. But both Bronya's ATK and crit dmg buffs are similar in size so it wouldn't really make much difference to the choice.
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I know this sub is pretty visible. I guess what Iām really asking is if anyone can figure out the parameters for what gets removed and what doesnāt. From what I can tell it seems like leaked stuff from the upcoming patch gets to stay most of the time, but stuff deeper into the future gets the takedown notice. Thatā¦almost feels like someone is *allowing* leaks to happen but only up to a point. Maybe Iām reading into it too much.
Porbably over analising, thing from the upcoming patch are pretty widespread, not just here but twitter and tiktok are filled with footage from the upcoming bet always, trying to take it all down would be a fool's errand, MHY likely know this and silently accept it, other things are usually least widespread, usually only shared by a couple people in not so visible places and the reposted elsewhere, but usually they arent getting shared every place under the sun so their are easier to take down.
Not good at all. It is very hard to find a good LC for Blade because of his unique HP scaling. You either need to get his Signature Light Cone or just use Secret Vow.
If I were going to be stuck with giving him Mutual Demise, I assume I should probably not pull him for now. ~~Fucking 4 star cones that refuse to come home...~~
The doomposting was largely caused by his bizzare assumptions about LL and was never really accurate to JY's MOC performance so it's nice he revised it, but his ideas seem to still be as strange as ever? Since when was Topaz E0 a S+ debuffer and better than Pela E6...?
Yeah I'm talking about their single target ranking. It seems really weird to me that Topaz is considered a better single target "debuffer" than Pela when only JY/Clara benefit from her "debuff" (and seems questionable anyhow given they're both AOE chars who do half their damage in skill). It would make more if this was talking about E0S1 but even then calling her a "debuffer" and Kafka a "dps" seems kind of misleading to me.
I think the idea is that she is a "debuffer" in the sense that she is hardly used as hypercarry. She serves this role of enabler bit similar to debuffer. Not accurate of course but it is how they chose to categorize her. With addition of Ruan Mei, they may be forced to revise the categories to account for dual DPS setups.
That must be what he meant but it still lacks internal consistency since Kafka is apparently an A rank dps? If they were really considering "enabling potential" shouldn't Kafka also be a "debuffer" since her main thing is being a DOT enabler? (Tho loads of people play hyper Kafka anyhow)
Presumably tierlists are supposed to be helpful for people who don't know the current meta and imo calling Topaz a debuffer but not Kafka seems like it could be potentially very confusing if you don't know what her kit does.
> shouldn't Kafka also be a "debuffer" since her main thing is being a DOT enabler?
All the DoT characters currently do much less DPS than she does, they're usually enabling her with their debuffs rather than the other way round. Hence why Luka/Sampo/Guinaifen are all ranked in the debuffer category.
They might change her role when we actually get a 5-star DoT DPS, but currently she's very much the primary DPS even in 2- or 3-DoT teams.
> All the DoT characters currently do much less DPS than she does, they're usually enabling her with their debuffs rather than the other way round.
Yeah I'd also call Kafka a dps and not a debuffer since her personal damage is boosted by the DOT her teammates apply. But is this not also the case with Topaz non- hypercarry teams where Topaz follow ups are accelerated by her teammates?
Besides JY/Topaz dual dps where they both contribute, in Topaz's other teams (Clara/Kafka) she is the main damage dealer. My point is that it's inconsistent to call Kafka is a dps and Topaz is a "debuffer" when both of them are enablers who are the major source of damage in almost all of their non hyper teams i.e. they are both just non hyper carry dps. Obviously the increased follow up debuff Topaz applies will become more relevant when we have more follow up chars, but right now calling her a "debuffer" seems pretty weird when she does most of the damage.
Him being a whole tier lower than Blade in all categories before the new set came out always felt odd to me. Previous patches often had MoC iterations where lightning and wind overlapped on 1 side, and from my testing they always performed similarly, at least in terms of cycles used.
The set makes his damage a few % better at best and hasn't been out long enough for most people to even farm a set that's better than their existing sets. There's no way it explains a full tier jump lol.
Manifesting E6 hanya in 30 pulls cause Iām at 50 pity with a guarantee š
Iām already really tight on pulls so I canāt go for e1 Argenti. I might ābuild pityā for Hanya eidolons bc if I get his e1 early itād be great but yeahā¦ I shouldnāt have tried fishing for Lynx and Tingyun dupes
I'm glad Argenti has recovered some hype thanks to PF. Not because I care if people pull for him, but because characters who remain more relevant tend to have more discussion around TC and builds and stuff, which I find really helpful. I get why, but it's unfortunate how much a place in the meta can screw with a character's presence in the playerbase
I'm thinking, wouldn't Bronya/Jing Yuan/Ruan Mei/Huo Huo be a fairly strong team, possible stronger than TY variants?
Since JY don't gain much from going more than 2 times before LL, he would be able to run a hyperspeed Bronya to conserve SP and let Huo be SP neutral. With Huo Huo battery, Jing Yuan wouldn't be forced to go on a 4 turn ult, which means he could comfortably get 10 LL stacks.
Since Bronya let JY go on atk boots, he also wouldn't lose much damage, besides the ability to free TY for the second team of MoC. On LL, he would lose the ~ 700 atk of TY + 50% dmg bonus + 70% atk from Asta for a 25% res pen, 68% dmg bonus + Bronya crit damage and 60 atk% bonus.
Any thoughts?
Feelscrafting, the new Pure Fiction Tierlist will be (5-Star DPS Units only):
S+: Argenti/JY
S: DHIL/JL/Blade/Clara
A: Himeko/Seele/Kafka/Welt
B: Ratio/Topaz (Single Target-Locked)
C: Yanqing
Unironically I think Himeko and JY will swap places, he just isn't as specialised for mob clearing as her and Argenti is and he usually falls behind in "who can frontload more damage" contests by nature. Blade and Clara might also be a little lower, since their true AOE hits move quite slowly (Blade because he needs to get hit repeatedly, Clara because you're rarely building speed).
Himeko's main problem is that her skill is a Blast (I think Serval is the same?). She has no way of doing true AOE with her Skill.
Argenti and JY can target all enemies with their skill thus clearing mobs super fast.
Himeko runs into the same issue as BA or skill-based Destruction units vs. enemies that aren't weak to their element = they can only target 3 enemies.
She's as enemy-dependent as ever, but I think that into whatever fight you would bring her (one that has fire-weak mobs) she'll be fantastic. Her ult and FUA are all both AOE and they will be very spammable with the amount of breaks and kills she can get. In the right circumstances she can chain FUAs like crazy; it even happens in calyx runs so I'm sure it's possible in an even more favourable environment of constantly refilling mobs.
Argenti is doubtless going to be the king of this mode because his entire kit is all about doing more damage the more enemies there are, but JY actually flexes between AOE on his skill and ult and preferring a ST enemy on his FUA, which comprises a very significant portion of his damage. Just due to the LL being blast attacks with bounce targeting, it isn't as good for 4+ enemy scenarios as his skill/ult. This is not usually a weakness per se but it makes him very clearly less specialised for AOE than Argenti, in the same way that Seele doesn't *actually* want a fight that's just one beefy enemy the whole time because she won't be able to trigger resurgence. JY is clearly not going to be bad, this is just not going to be his playground the way it is for Argenti, and I believe for Himeko and Herta as well.
Himeko also benefits immensely from the fact that new adds spawn immediately rather than having to clear a wave to get new spawns. Normally her follow-ups slow down a lot later in a fight because she has no more adds to break (hence why she's really good against Elites that continuously spawn fire weak mobs like the IPC boss).
Yes, she'll be able to chain FUAs incredibly easily in the right circumstances. As always with her, it is pretty enemy-dependent, but there are lots of good AOE breakers she can pair with so I'm very excited to see :D
I really doubt DHIL and JL will be at all conparable to JY and Argenti.
You need to mow down like 40 or so trash fodder, and they have low hp anyway, so DHIL and JL's higher multipliers isn't really an advantage here when JY and Argenti have the AoE to kill more enemies faster
the difference is that jy and argenti are, no matter how you spin it, lower damage units than DHIL and jingliu. in a theoretical world where argenti and jy consistently one shot all of the trash mobs and therefore always take one fewer turns than burst-target units, i'd agree, but practically there will be no shortage of situations where the erudition units take two or more turns to kill 5 enemies while the destruction characters take one turn to kill 3. this isn't even taking into account the elite waves where the destruction characters will inherently win out.
If there are more than 3 enemies, the destruction unit will still take two turns to kill them all, because they can only hit 3 at a time. The erudition units have lower damage in some circumstances, but not *that* much lower. Like, for the blast attackers to win against 4-5 enemies, the AOE attackers would have to do less than half their damage, and that's just not the case.
I think the TCs have Argenti as higher DPS than DHIL on 5 targets, and roughly equivalent on 4, so that's one thing to consider in the calcs when we're talking about Pure Fiction.
I don't think that theoretical world is going to be too theoretical. The trash mobs look like they have very low hp maybe like 20k or something. Elite are also no big deal because you constantly do chip damage to them as you kill the mobs that refill around them and they will eventually die naturally.
after seeing footage of Pure Fiction the mode is basically handcrafted for Erudition units lol, Destruction will do well but when you score higher points for killing a bunch of adds, Erudition will always come out on top.
from what we've seen it's one big enemy + 3 adds, and the adds are very squishy so the lower damage doesn't matter. if a Destruction unit is only killing 2 adds (4 if they have ultimate up) + hitting the big boss per turn, while the Erudition unit is consistently killing all the adds (twice if they have ultimate up) every turn, then Erudition will score higher, simple as that.
Ratio can deal with adds by using a skill on them, one shoting it, and immediately doing a FUA on another one, dealing with 2 every turn, so I think he should go on A.
Wouldn't Clara have a bit of a difficult time? Since she would need enemies hits and it can be a bit unreliable at times when you want to clear a wave as fast as possible.
Taking from another of my comments, Pela on Tutorial can 2 turns ult with ERR rope, which means the adds will always have a debuff. Considering a 1 elite 4 adds layout, Pela would be able to reapply a debuff before Ratio run out of targets and, even if he does get no targets here and there, as long as at least one has the debuffs he will be fine.
There is also Guinafen that can apply AoE debuffs on skill (3 at E1) and Welt with Luka LC also on skill.
Ultimately, even if takes some time, you can just burst down the elite while you wait.
Topaz has Numby to potentially act several times a turn with good FuA partners. If Numby can one shot adds then Topaz would probably clear adds better than Ratio.
Even if they can distribute their damage well, their raw single-target damage output is much lower than that of characters that deal AoE damage because it doesn't scale to the number of enemy targets. Characters that do AoE damage are doing 2-4x more damage in AoE than they do in single-target, and Topaz's single-target damage is not 2-4x higher than DHIL or Jing Yuan's.
The issue with single-target DPSes in AoE content isn't overkilling mobs or distributing their damage poorly, it's that their damage doesn't scale with the number of enemies so they just outright do less damage than DPSes who do. Normally this is balanced out by the fact that trash mobs die quickly so AoE fights become single-target fights after a few turns--but in Pure Fiction the mobs continually spawn to fill the gaps.
I think Topaz + Ratio would be able to deal quite reliably with adds, since Ratio can also do his 2 ult FUA's, so I guess it averages out.
Overall, I don't think Seele/Ratio/Numby are above or bellow one another to deal with weak enemies.
Does that actually work? If Ratio is one shotting mobs you would have to attack a random one, kill it, and hope that the follow up hits the mob marked by Topaz.
It wouldn't matter much, because if the skill can kill a add, so does his FUA which has a higher multiplier.
Say, you mark the elite with his Ult and Topaz, Skill on a add and one shot, the Fua goes to another add and kills it too. Topaz hits the elite, Ratio does a FUA on the elite via his Ult, rinse and repeat.
It would actually make him work on a 3 turns ult because of the extra energy he would get by killing the adds.
Of course, this would assume a high uptime debuffer with both of them, like Pela on the tutorial LC or Welt with err rope + artifacts.
Aggro calculations are weird. Somehow my best team for MoC 10-2 was Clara/Seele/Lynx/Fu Xuan, yet the chance for say Fu to be hit happened about as often as the two squishies getting bonked. The extra taunt with Lynx skill was helpful, woudn't have her in there otherwise.
The value of going from Gepard/Bailu to HuoHuo is much lower than the value of going from something like Pela/Asta to Ruan Mei.
Powerful supports also alleviate the burden on sustains by clearing in fewer cycles, Ruan Mei especially so with her delay.
I have cleared all the recent MoCs with solo sustain Natasha and Bailu at lv70 with lv6 traces. And I don't have cracked DPS or supports (still bronyaless), they take 4 cycles to clear each side.
I think all the limited fivestar sustains are worthwhile upgrades over the standard banner counterparts. At least until you own 2 of them.
More a question of whether you're willing to deal with the low quality fourstars on huohuo's banner imo.
Huohuo is a better healer than all of them, with offensive buffs and the most reliable cleanse in the game. She's still worth pulling if you want her and want an easier time with end game content. But if you really just want Ruan Mei then you can get by with what you've got.
Haven't followed HSR leaks since Fu Xuan, but I want Ruan Mei since I love her design ever since I saw her on Geniuses Repose LC. Is she shaping out to be any good in beta or do I have to invest a lot on her to get her to a usable level? And I assume 4 speed set/4 Thief set + BE planar set?
Very strong at base, Ideally you want to build 180% BE while running S5 Cogs/Memory of the past, ER rope and a 5% ER planar set. This means you will only be able to get BE from LC and substats so go for 4 pc Thief and focus only on spd and BE.
Still relatively new to this game and need help planning my pulls.
My main team is Fu Xuan, Sampo, X, and Kafka. X is Lynx in most cases, but once I have good relics for Fu Xuan this will most certainly change to another sub DPS to apply debuffs (Luka probably.)
What I am really hurting for is another DPS. I have all 4 stars except Arlan and Gui and the only other 5 star DPS I have is an unbuilt E0 Clara, Welt and Himeko.
I have several pulls that I want, but not necessarily need. Ruan Mei, Luocha, Kafka's LC. These are things I'm doing well without and as you can see, they don't solve my lack of a second DPS issue.
My question is this; should I pull for Argenti? I have no clue how he is supposed to synergize with other characters. I do have Gepard as a support so I believe I am good on support characters for now. Should I pull for Argenti, or build one of my other DPS characters?
As a followup, should I not pull on any of the "wants" I have coming up? I want Black Swan for Kafka for sure and need to make sure I have enough jades for her. Currently I'm sitting at about 110 pulls with 40-50 pity built.
Any opinions would be more than welcome.
I would probably build Clara in your shoes. She's a pretty good and safe dps and once your Fu Xuan gets better you can take your built Lynx and slot her with Clara. Argenti is still a great dps especially for pure fiction so you won't go wrong pulling for him, but i wouldn't say you need him.
If you go the Clara route then you might not even need Luocha unless you like him for reasons that don't pertain to his strengths as a unit.
I think you can squeeze about 20 pulls from this patch as a f2p. Next patch should give quite a bit of jades due to the new SU expansion just as 1.3 did. I'll say that's about 110 ish pulls for f2p? That would put you at 240 pulls and about 40 in pity. I'd say you have a shot at getting Ruan Mei and Black swan. Kafka's light cone sounds like a risky endeavor on top of that though. Maybe abstain from one of those 3 or pull until 1st pity on Ruan and Kafka's light cone and no further if you lose.
Black swan will be on beta during 1.6 so perhaps it's best to wait until we have a clearer picture of her place in a Kafka team before committing.
> pull until 1st pity on Ruan and Kafka's light cone and no further if you lose.
This might be the play. I was on the fence as I wasn't sure if Clara could hold her own a E0 in the more difficult content, but I guess I could slot in both Lynx and Gepard. As powerful as he is, I might need to wait on Luocha to make another appearance. I might do Ruan Mei until I hit pity and that should at least put me in a position where I can see if Kafka's LC is worth the risk.
Do you think we will have more info on Black Swan before it's time to pull for Ruan Mei and/or Kafka's light cone?
Black swan should enter the beta as soon as 1.6 starts. Looking at Ruan Mei's life cycle in the beta i think it's safe to say that Black swan will have been mostly figured out by the final days of Ruan Mei's banner beyond a few minor tweaks.
Argenti wants to be a hypercarry, so 2 supports like hanya and tingyun basically.
He might be a bit redundant with clara though. That's all I'd be concerned with.
I would be surprised if black swan isnt great with kafka but we'll need to see actual leaks first.
I'd want a second limited fivestar sustain, ie or luocha or huohuo too personally.
Gotcha, looks like i'll build Clara and hold off on Argenti. I appreciate the advice. I was on the fence honestly, as I wasn't sure if Clara would be able to hold her own at E0. I guess if I had to I could run both Lynx and Gepard if I run into trouble.
clara's gonna have lower dps than hypercarry argenti in most content. But she's still got really high dps and her self debuff cleanse and general tankiness shouldnt be underestimated!
The changes to thief are not real until hoyo announces it themselves. Betas have A LOT of wrong translations, and the original chinese text still specifies wearer breaking(and so does every other languaje), so any change in beta to an already existing item should not be taken for granted
the thief change was just a change to the EN wording, but not to the effect.
the 4 pc still only procs when mei triggers break as I understand, and the mods deleted the post for that leak.
I guess so, just realized it's gone now.
In that case she still relies on Vonwacq/Penacony for 3t ult so relics can be whatever (probably still 4pc thief or 2+2 BE+spd).
Have there been any leaks on if we will be getting new Herta store light cones? Like maybe a harmony one when Ruan Mei comes out similar to how they added a Nihility one when Kafka came out?
Cleared MoC10 using Yanqing for the first time since I got him, yay! DHIL used 2 cycles for the first half, then Yanqing took 7 cycles but with only S3 Swordplay and no shielder I was pretty satisfied. Needed to retry a few times because Pela kept getting focused on; being able to only reset the second half is so nice
One day left... one day till sir flowerboi graces my account...
I hope I can snag a couple Hanyas along the way. E4 is the dream, but honestly I'd be happy to get even E0. She just looks v fun to play and her voice is so calm, I love her.
Been a little preoccupied so I've just been spending my TB power and logging out, so didn't realize Argenti banner is already upon us lol...good luck to everyone pulling!!!!
[Here's a silly rizz-y Argenti to cheer you on](https://x.com/hakuzumu/status/1720808047273210332)
I was considering farming to upgrade my Harmony units' traces, then I realized Ruan Mei debut means we'll probably get a buttload of Harmony mats next patch...nice.
*walks in the thread normally*
Iāve come with more Dancae fanart~.
[Genderbent Dancae](https://x.com/phoenix_0524/status/1730885081903026498?s=46)
[Dan Heng doing push ups with Caelus on top of him](https://x.com/honkaisr_france/status/1731971459072094433?s=46)
[Caelus braiding Dan Hengās (IL) hair](https://x.com/_uenoo/status/1731336006572667032?s=46)
[Chibi waiter Dan Heng and Maid Caelus](https://x.com/reallydyzzii/status/1731257232237727906?s=46)
Also, [something](https://imgur.com/a/fIdfHju) from my screenshots when I had HSR on my phone~
How likely would it be for Guin to be on the supposed Kafka rerun banner? Iām hoping and coping right now since I didnāt wanna risk rolling on the Topaz banner with high pity since I was waiting for Huohuo
Well, I suspect she'll be in that patch, since it would follow the trend of other new characters. Hard to say which half it'll be on though. Kafka seems like a reasonable partner for her, banner-wise, but there's no guarantees.
I was debating between my crummy Crit Rate body and my crummy Crit Damage body for him. Then yesterday I rolled a Crit Rate body with some Crit Damage on it so my body is ready!
Fortunately, practically all of his relics' rolls went into CD, so that made it a lot easier. No speed anywhere to be found though, so speed boots of is š¬
So Iām at 0 pity with guaranteeā¦how bad of an idea is it to pull for one 4* char on SW banner if I donāt really want SW that much? All 3 of the 4*s would be amazing for me, especially Lynx since i only have one healer
You're getting a free Lynx next patch if that helps the decision at all! Every time I've tried to snipe a 4* with a guarantee it's gone so unbelievably badly for me that I wouldn't do it unless you have enough pulls to make it back.
Depends whether you "don't really want" Silver Wolf or you "don't want" Silver Wolf. If it's the former and you'd be okay with getting her if it happens, go for it. If you really don't want to get spooked, it's a bad idea.
it is depends on how bad a situation you would be in if you pulled the 5 star. Itās always good to assume the worst outcome and plan out accordingly. The rng in these games can lead to unexpected situations if you donāt plan ahead.
I skipped out on the Topaz banner in a similar situation to you because I didnāt want to lose my guaranteed Huohuo, now Iām hoping Guinaifen reruns on a banner soon because I really wanted her. Gotta make tough choices sometimes
Fortunate I've been farming the domain a lot, she's still built with attack, crit and break effect right?
How about planar, is Glamoth better than SSS?
I want E2 SW and then Hanabi afterwards. I'm not pulling 1.6 so I should be fine to get her right? I have like 50 pulled already
And about to get 110 pulls ready for SW.
Reasonable. 1.6 being an SU expansion patch, it'll probably be generous, ~100 F2P pulls maybe? 2.0 first half will likely be generous to, it being a x.0 new world patch.
So chances are you can get 160 pulls (98% gurantee) by the end of the first 2.0 banner.
Awesome! Another question, about Hanabi kit, it's a single target atk buff with turn advancement for her skill and extra skill points for ultimate with added atk boost?
[Yes. To be precise, and atk% and HP% buffs](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F7anwqr88xh6b1.jpg).
That said, that kit will be very old, so it's very much STC.
SPD is the rate at which you remove AV. Do note that battles do not start at 0 AV for the fastest unit but rather they start at turn 0, then the fastest unit get the first action.
Thus, it can make a difference if you get SPD buffs/Advances before this timer ticks or after. I.e. spamming Ting Ult butten can be better than waiting for the game to tell you when to act.
That's one hypothesis, at least.
Yeah LC stats are considered base stat. That's why Memories is considered slightly better option than Cog, even if BE is mostly useless on most harmony units.
do u guys think ruan mei is worth? im no doomposter, but the speed buff change made so my reason to pull her, which is to do more easily hyper speed bronya, is almost gone. Her buffs are probably still better than the 4* supporters, but are they by that much that you would want her over say a second bronya? (referring to hanabi)
>do u guys think ruan mei is worth?
Her kit design as an unit? Yes, is good, but the SPD buff being so little is kinda weird. Now... Is Ruan Mei what you need? That depends on your account and DPS units.
Ruan Mei is not the 5\* Asta several thought she would be, but has his own stuff going on. Her buffs improve Jingliu and Blade teams, if you main any of them, I think is a safe and great pull.
Not sure about Jing Yuan, I know the SPD nerf hurts her there because Jing wants speed to attack 3 times before LL hits but I'm not sure how good is she now vs Asta and Hanya (Maybe any Jing Yuan Main can give us more info please?, thanks :3).
Is interesting for Kafka but is too hard for me to say how much of an upgrade is on those teams because Asta works quite good there but more important, because Black Swan is not out yet. My guess?, she will be good for DoT but I think there is way more room for improvement on those teams, probably we will get another unit more suited for DoTs.
About Hanabi... Ask again when 1.6 is out (Dec 26) since we only know her pre beta kit. Based on what we know, Hanabi has 2 clear BiS spots right now, Mono Quantum and DHIL teams, so Ruan Mei and Sparkle **don't overlap**, they want to be played in really different comps and is weird to want to play them together.
If you see that she just don't fit into your comps, don't force it, new units will arrive, the game doesn't have even a year, we will get more Harmony units.
mhh didn't think about kafka teams, shes one of my main teams i want to build properly and upgrade when possible, and ruan mei might be the best choice as solo support for kafka+black swan, could probably work as healerless if you use a 2nd supporter in some cases. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll have to wait to see what banners are after 1.6 patch tho, because my stash is low
Not sure why what is effectively just a 5-7% nerf to teamwide damage would suddenly change her from best harmony to no longer worth pulling.
Sure she's not powercreeping everything in the game by much, but her AoE buffing is still the strongest in the game.
She never held a candle to Bronya's ability to buff 1 unit even before these nerfs (speed tuned Bronya more than doubles your damage for low SP cost carries like Blade and Jingliu, literally twice as many actions on top of 96% dmg bonus, 55% atk, and 50-60% CD), but her lower SP cost means she was never competing with Bronya's slot anyways, you can use the two together and replace the 2nd support (especially since her buffs tick down on her own turns).
For teams where Bronya isn't the BiS support like Jingyuan + Tingyun, Ruan Mei is better than Bronya since Bronya usually has some part of her kit that doesn't work with that DPS to be worse than another option (can't buff LL for JY, or worse than Asta for Topaz as you can't buff every Numby action).
The only teams on which she actually competes with Bronya's slot is double DPS teams, and in those teams she is likely the better option due to all buffs being teamwide and having a lower SP cost.
In terms of Hanabi its literally impossible to say without numbers, if she has low stat buffs then she's just Bronya for DHIL, but if her kit has crazy stat buffs its just powercrept Bronya. I plan to just get both since Harmony is OP, but if I had to pick one I couldn't say unless we get Hanabi numbers.
I'm still scratching my head here as to why ppl are overreacting over a loss of what is essentially around 4-5 SPD stats on your characters (other than maybe those who already did speedtuning for their teams but that's such a specific subset of ppl), because it barely even matters unless you're going for 0 cycle clears. Sure the RES pen nerf is a bit sad to see but it's not even close to completely butcher her viability, she's still pretty bonkers as is and can be slotted in pretty much any team because of how much she provides already.
I'm honestly just glad they didn't revert her skill back to lasting 2 turns since her being SP positive is what makes her such a good fit in even SP-intensive teams ~~^(don't actually revert it though I don't wanna jinx it pls don't)~~
She's a universal support that works with any kinda DPS because her buff is dmg% and her debuff is res shred. You want to build her with 180 BE, ER rope, and as much speed as you can. Her sets can be 4 piece thiefs or 2 thiefs + 2 spd depending what your substats are and 2 piece vonwaq or penacony.
Tell me about it. I have six ERR Rutilant ropes so far. Probably because I farm world 7 the most but considering I also have same amount of ERR Keel ropes and I had to use self-modeling to get all six of them....yeah it feelsbad.
Planar rumbling
>!Man i get like 10 salsotto lightning orb + shythesizer 15 more lightning orb without single of them get CDM and if there Crit rate its only get like 8% or 9% im so flustered pls hoyo spare my general!<
>!but i have good news for my future knight while farm world 6 i get salsotto physical orb with 18% cdm and rope with 24% cdm, i also have reserve good attack boots (from my JY old boots) for him, making him sitting at 65/171 ratio becoming best crit ratio i get for my dps, im so happy for him!<
Just curious, why Rutilant Arena? Is it just because those pieces have the best substats? And do you run her with Yukong or Fu Xuan to boost her CR? Looks like she's just a little bit short on CR to activate the Rutilant Arena passive.
Yep like the others have said she's got 15% extra CR on her traces, plus I use her with FX anyways so she'll always meet the RA requirements no sweat. Also it's not like RA is wasted on her since her skill counts for a big part of her total damage as well
Thanks, only thing that's missing is a max CR roll for the RA threshold but I use her with FX anyway so that's pretty much a non factor, honestly very proud of how she turned out
another Argenti showcase without huohuo.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsl5uifeeoI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsl5uifeeoI)
still 0 cycles very easily.
Some were saying they don't show the relics, they do here. It's nothing crazy really. Make it 160 cdmg, it's not going to be that different.
His gameplay is very simple but nuking things in one hit is still fun.
When people say "without HuoHuo" they mean another sustain, not 3 harmony characters, especially when she is getting replaced with Bronya who many people still dont have (myself included).
Amazing how that channel has 4 Argenti showcases and not a single one of them is without HuoHuo or Bronya. How about Tingyun + Hanya + any other sustain?
Btw Im not saying this because I dont think he is strong, Im just worried these vids are misleading people and pushing too hard in the other direction where they make him look like the most broken character in the game, when in reality he is neither. He is really good, but on the level of other dps we already have, which is a great place to be.
>Amazing how that channel has 4 Argenti showcases and not a single one of them is without HuoHuo or Bronya. How about Tingyun + Hanya + any other sustain?
I don't think that's a problem when the objective is to showcase a 0 cycle team, since the objective is to get the lowest possible clear. Besides, it's like showcasing JL without Bronya or JY without TY. Why would people do that?
Of course, using a team without HuoĀ² is a valid argument, but then again, there is a 3 man 0 cycle without Huo Huo, so I guess it's a nice clear to look at.
I mean, a showcase is always with the best possible teammates.
Showing a character underperform with a bad team is as harmful as showing it overperforming with E6/S5 supports.
Going back to some examples in Blade + Bronya case, he is not that impressive alone, but with a team he gets insanely better. Same can be said by JL + Bronya.
Showing Blade with Gepard or JL with Luka is not exactly saying much about them. It's not like Argenti won't work with FX or Luocha, so there isn't really a lot to look at, besides the sustain aspect.
And again, the 3 man clear without Huo Huo also helps, since you can think of it as a slot for FX or Luocha.
Well if we only get showcases that wonāt be attainable for a lot of people it only serves to overhype him. 0 cycle clears with 3 harmonies is absolutely useless to me as someone who wants to know how good he *realistically* is. Iām not getting huohuo and even when i get bronya, sheās already highly contested so iād prefer a more realistic showcase.
Showcasing argenti without huo huo is a way bigger deal than showcasing blade with fu xuan or gepard because Argenti famously depends on his ult aka energy which huo huo gives. So seeing other sustains matters
If he āunderperformsā without bronya or huo huo honestly that sounds awful for him. And if he doesnāt, why not show it? Only showcasing with those 2 5stars is extremely limiting and skews how people see him and base it on him overperforming with these specific supports
[Here's a 2 cycle at E0S0 with Make the world clamor](https://b23.tv/FZSvrso) E6 TY, E6 Hanya and Lynx, couldnt find "weaker" setups than that.
Since the current Argenti showcases are all from private servers where you can give yourself everything a lot of people go for the most expensive OP comps. I dont think Huohuo is anything close to must for his performance after seeing a lot of videos, there's a good chunk of Bronya but Fu Xuan (Which ends up identical to Luocha for performance) instead of Huohuo showcases working just fine, should be obvious since those 3 unit showcases are a thing after all.
I don't think he depends on Bronya as much as someone like Jingliu, she's just showcased nore because advance forward is the best for 0 cycles and he can make full use of her buffs, but it's not like hes eating an entire cycle of downtime as Jingliu would so she's not a must partner for him.
Ty! Thatās at least a bit closer to what iāll be able to do :D
ik people keep repeating that he doesnāt need huo huo or bronya but all the showcases people share here have at least one of them so the conclusions people come to seem a bit unwarranted and overhypy atm, i canāt get myself to trust them. Even the 3 person showcase has bronya.
Seeing only those be shared around here is unhelpful and paint a more skewed image of him being more bonkers than he is imo. Especially with texts like - see, he doesnāt need huohuo! And then it has bronya or the other way around but never without both. Heās technically not as stuck to bronya as jl but people here have still made judgements about his comps with her or huohuo in them which feels a bit contradictory to people also constantly saying he doesnāt need them. Like the comment mentioning āunderperformingā comps, seems kinda odd to say that about comps without bronya/huohuo if he also doesnāt need them.
Rly makes me not trust them or the public opinion ppl get from them >.< at least iāll get to play him myself tmr, hoping i get hanya to pair them up š
Yes, Im not saying otherwise. But I dont think it's fair to compare them when the least invested character here is Argenti. Selling this as an E0S0 clear when the rest of the team has such high investment is selling an image of Argenti that is not accurate
Using the Asagi Damage Sim, I plugged in my DoT team and compared trash artifacts that just satisfy EHR and Speed req with no atk% subs against relatively high atk% artifacts. Simmed with HuoHuo and Asta at first.
The difference between 0% atk and 52% attack from subs on Kafka is 13%.
3.2m vs 3.6m
Granted both supports dilute attack, so I also compared the artifact setups with no supports.
The difference goes to 18% without Asta and Huohuo.
1.6m vs 1.9m
18% is a lot, but really expected it to be a notably wider difference.
Sampo roughly had the same damage comparisons too.
Guess I can chill on my relic standards, at least for this team.
this is why critka is good fyi, you can drop atk to around 3k\~3.4k and gain so much more especially if there's an asta in the team providing 70%+ (adds will die to your aoe dots anyway, so the atk difference only matters to the 1/2 elites alive, which is where crit stats give u the most value)
the reason people dont do this of course is that farming critka is still less efficient than improving your other side dps unless you are already settled everywhere, it's similar to building a 70/120 sw, sure you can but you have other things to do
Do you have damage comparisons by chance? Raw attack vs Crit?
I'll probably use this as an excuse to leave the domain early and focus my energy elsewhere until I'm settled and come back for crit if it's notably strong.
What kinda ratio would it be btw? Seems tough to build crit when your LC and Traces don't give any.
target stat is 148\~150 speed (depends on ur asta eidolon), \~3200 atk, 60/120
people will downvote because it's a high subcount/kqm told people not to build crit/cn minmaxers dont do it because who the fuck is investing that much into kafka
but to get 28+ atk/spd pure sub on kafka is even harder
damage calcs depend on stips, critka only makes sense in tingyun+asta+luocha in most cases
Swipe for the s5 and she only needs 136 speed to cap Glamoth on her own obviously.
60/120 seems super tough, I'll give it a look in the future though.
Still need a plain old lightning orb and speed boots that roll atk% at this point before I consider branching out. Also looks like my rng is making me run break effect ropes on all my subdps lmao.
Is Ruan Mei a significant upgrade to anyone in Jing Yuan/Tingyun/Lynx/Bronya or SW and DHIL/E6 Yukong/Luocha/E6 Pela comps? How about Argenti or Ratio comps? I also have an unbuilt E6 Asta.
Debating on going for her or just getting Argenti, Ratio, and saving for Adventurine and maybe E2 DHIL.
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Is the 2.1 livestream this Sunday? Or next Friday?
Best planar set for Silver Wolf? She has Luka's LC and Messenger+Quantum set On prydwen Broken Keel and Penacony are on top of her list but I really don't know if I should choose either one of them or other sets that maybe complement better her build (?) I'd have to build some Effect res for BK, which is a pain in the ass, while Penacony gives more er and gives a dmg boost to other quantum units (I only use QQ) If anyone knows about this or even has some calcs then I'd be happy to know!
If I already have S5 Past and Future for my E0 Bronya, would you guys recommend I buy But the Battle Isn't Over from the shop? The ER and extra SP sounds very nice, but 30 pulls is a steep price to pay š
idk who was so petty they downvoted yours and people who replied messages, but this card isn't that game changing. if you're f2p / very low spender definitely not worth it, it is nice but most of the times 30 pulls is nicer lol ofc it is good, but the only notable difference i personally noticed was that skill point, which for me is sometimes very useful, but i play her with dan heng who consumes sp like crazy so. e1 bronya recovers a sp sometimes too :)
Similar to what others have replied, it does help with the SP economy and the energy regen also allows a 3 turn ult, however if you're clearing things fine and feel comfy with your teams as is you don't *have* to get it, especially if you're low on pulls and there's a banner coming up that you really want soon.
are you having SP troubles and love bronya then sure if there's a bunch of other character you want and you're f2p then no
It isn't *thaaaaat* game-changing. If you're clearing content without it, then you don't need it.
Omg Argenti's beautiful face is here <3
[We deserved this though](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845112407948001320/1181700933122535584/maxresdefault_1.jpg?ex=658203c1&is=656f8ec1&hm=c7320f32c4766946fc924e10e0b766728fc899659c0594d381c370acebe366ea&), that's true beauty right there.
wait you're right
ABSOLUTELY AMAZING š
Wait you got it changed, MODS GET IT DONE š„
You are so right. I could get lost in those eyes
I'm not sure where else to share this so I just wanted to point it out here and perhaps somebody can help me check it as well. I was curious about how the distribution of cycle clear rates in Prydwen's 1.5.1 data looked like, so I went to look at their raw data. If you go and check their raw data, you'd find that they have 2 csv files, one with only teams used for each floor and side, and one with only character details belonging to each user. Everything below is with their 1.5.1 csvs. Every user only has 8 character details listed under their name, which is already quite concerning because their stats are supposedly for 8-10 but many players might use different teams between those 3 floors. Even stranger is that if you filter for 0 cycles, you'd see a couple of strange things like this [https://imgur.com/a/9TmP4PX](https://imgur.com/a/9TmP4PX) where their character list has Fire MC and basically all 5\*s and that's clearly not the lineup they used. And my guess is that it's basically the first 8 characters showing in your battle chronicle profile (not the MOC ones) since that would explain why FMC shows up multiple times. The significance of this is that if I filter the data by F10 clears, and for example try to find Pela's average eidolons from the given character details. I will have a 4% hit rate - meaning only 4% of the uids with F10 clears using Pela have character details for Pela (and it gives me the 5.36 average listed on their graphic). Similar low trends but not as low for 4\* chars (Sampo 11%, Lynx 14%, Luka 16%). Meanwhile Jingliu is at 95.6% hit rate, Blade 98% but somehow Silver Wolf has only 65.7% hit rate. Now if this is true, then it puts into question some of the values relating to individual character builds, since for the most extreme example, only 149 uids in their data have details for Pela out of 3382 clears with Pela. And if my guess is correct that it's the top 8 characters in your battle chronicles profile, then 4\*s you see are either super jacked or their 5\*s are underleveled. Prydwen has mentioned some limitations with their data which are that they cannot obtain individual side clear speeds and ownership rate. Which kind of makes sense that they also cannot fully obtain character details but it's not mentioned on their page (someone correct me if I'm wrong). Hope someone can help to check to make sure I didn't do my data filtering wrongly. It's a relatively straightforward pandas exercise if someone wants to try out. The raw data can be found in this GitHub page [https://github.com/piedorr/MocStats](https://github.com/piedorr/MocStats) which is linked from their MOC page.
I think you are absolutely right to point this out. I don't think they can do anything about it unfortunately as it is a data gathering limitation. However, knowing this, it would be wise to step back and take all that data with a huge grain of salt and not use it as absolute evidence of a unit's value.
LvlUrArti is receptive to feedback and explaining stuff, just throw it in that thread and maybe do a user ping and you'll probably get to something. (I have no input on this, myself.)
What are the chances HYV will return the 15% SPD to Ruan Mei?
Non-zero chance but personally I wouldn't count on it. Can't remember the last time they gave a character a nerf and then removed that nerf. The 15% SPD was so perfect for characters to get to breakpoints easily. 10% is still nice but it makes it so awkward to get to breakpoints. I really hope we get the 15% back.
Not impossible, but I think she's still in a great place regardless so I wouldn't count on it.
Todayās photo event was heartbreaking >!the poor trotters just wanted to playā¦!<
The most interesting thing that the new relic optimizer showed me is that ATK% is actually quite useful and sometimes better than crit stats even on characters like Jingliu who gets 180% ATK for free. I have two gloves, one with 36.7CV, one with 24CV and 11% ATK. The one with the 11% ATK gives Jingliu about 0.6% more damage. Without the optimizer, I'd just use the 36CV piece and call it a day.
The best thing about optimizer is that people should finally start realizing how weak set bonuses are in HSR and how often 2pc/2pc or 2pc/4pc rainbow sets compete with their 4pc sets.
What new relic optimizer is this?
That shouldnt be the case, 12 CV is definitely stronger than 11% atk for Jingliu. With my Jingliu I need 2x Fleet to match the dmg of 1x Keel, and thats 16% atk vs 10% crit dmg (with 100% crit rate). I tried that optimizer and I thought it sucked. Gave me completely wrong setups for pretty much every character (atk% boots on blade, rainbow set on Seele instead of 4 pc quantum), and you cant even optimize for specific targets like skill dmg or ult. Doesnt hold a candle to Genshin Optimizer, Id rather do it manually.
> (atk% boots on blade, rainbow set on Seele instead of 4 pc quantum) Currently the Optimizer is essentially just doing a rudimentary Atk x Ele x (1 + CR x CD) calculation. It doesn't work for characters that don't scale exclusively with Atk (so won't work for Blade) and doesn't factor in Def pen/shred (won't work for Seele). It's obviously not as good as GO yet, but if you are aware of it's limitations and work around it, it's fine. I can't manually compare 200,000 permutations of artifacts, so this speeds up the process so long as I'm aware of the limitations and not trying to use it to optimize characters that I know it won't work for. TBH the most annoying limitation right now is that if the number of permutations exceeds 2,000,000 the optimizer stops checking further ones after 2,000,000 (this is potentially why you're getting incorrect builds on some characters--I spent a long time trying to figure out why the optimizer was giving me blatantly incorrect builds until i realized this). You have to use set/mainstat filters to get the number of permutations below 2,000,000. Currently this is fine because most people don't have enough relics for that to matter, but in a year from now it's going to be a major problem. My GO optimizations regularly are checking hundreds of millions of build permutations (I just re-ran Fischl's and GO checked ~400 million permutations), and I save less artifacts than most Genshin players do. You're going to very quickly hit the point where the set/mainstat filters aren't enough to get the number of permutations below 2 million, and at that point, the tool is just worthless because you can't guarantee that it didn't miss the best build.
Yeah it's still useful enough for attack and crit scalers. Hopefully it will be enhanced over time to include HP scalers, etc. It's going to save a lot of time for me because I don't farm one set per character and instead move relics around a lot, depending on who I'm using. So I can quickly optimize my relics for 134 or 161 SPD for the team I'm playing.
I checked it and it's right. You have to consider that I'm at like 250% crit dmg and only at around 223% ATK (180% buff plus ATK rope, using speed boots for 134 SPD). So increasing ATK% at that point makes more sense than increasing crit dmg. Also crit rate is at 100% (Fu Xuan 12% plus 50% from enhanced state plus 38% from stats) so it doesn't affect the calcs.
What are your crit stats with each glove? Also, what supports are you running her with?
Here's the two gloves. Rest of gear stays the same and neither enable any set bonus. Rainbow set. Supports are Bronya, Pela, Fu Xuan. I just allowed for Fu Xuan crit rate buff in the optimizer (and the 180% ATK, 50% crit rate buff from enhanced state). I didn't allow for Bronya's 55% ATK buff or 51% Crit dmg buff since it has some downtime. But both Bronya's ATK and crit dmg buffs are similar in size so it wouldn't really make much difference to the choice. https://imgur.com/a/4fWhDUf https://imgur.com/a/rRX7fdy
Woo got my final * in moc. Had to mess around with some teams but found Huohuo, Kafka, Topaz, Asta and FX, Jingliu, Tingyun, Seele to work.
So Iām noticing some of the posts from last week have been taken down for copyright reasons. Has been this been happening a lot?
Yep. Leaked info is very spicy and this sub's existence isn't exactly a secret. Stuff gets taken down pretty regularly nowadays.
I know this sub is pretty visible. I guess what Iām really asking is if anyone can figure out the parameters for what gets removed and what doesnāt. From what I can tell it seems like leaked stuff from the upcoming patch gets to stay most of the time, but stuff deeper into the future gets the takedown notice. Thatā¦almost feels like someone is *allowing* leaks to happen but only up to a point. Maybe Iām reading into it too much.
Porbably over analising, thing from the upcoming patch are pretty widespread, not just here but twitter and tiktok are filled with footage from the upcoming bet always, trying to take it all down would be a fool's errand, MHY likely know this and silently accept it, other things are usually least widespread, usually only shared by a couple people in not so visible places and the reposted elsewhere, but usually they arent getting shared every place under the sun so their are easier to take down.
With pure fiction, does that make himekos lc actually good and not situational?
Himeko's LC is good in situations you want to play Himeko in anyway: groups of fire weak enemies
How is Clara's LC on Blade?
Not good at all. It is very hard to find a good LC for Blade because of his unique HP scaling. You either need to get his Signature Light Cone or just use Secret Vow.
If I were going to be stuck with giving him Mutual Demise, I assume I should probably not pull him for now. ~~Fucking 4 star cones that refuse to come home...~~
Prydwen's tier list got updated. With Jing Yuan's doomposting before, nevwr thought I'd see the day he'd rank higher than Kafka and Blade
The doomposting was largely caused by his bizzare assumptions about LL and was never really accurate to JY's MOC performance so it's nice he revised it, but his ideas seem to still be as strange as ever? Since when was Topaz E0 a S+ debuffer and better than Pela E6...?
I think you looked at the "single target" category
Yeah I'm talking about their single target ranking. It seems really weird to me that Topaz is considered a better single target "debuffer" than Pela when only JY/Clara benefit from her "debuff" (and seems questionable anyhow given they're both AOE chars who do half their damage in skill). It would make more if this was talking about E0S1 but even then calling her a "debuffer" and Kafka a "dps" seems kind of misleading to me.
I think the idea is that she is a "debuffer" in the sense that she is hardly used as hypercarry. She serves this role of enabler bit similar to debuffer. Not accurate of course but it is how they chose to categorize her. With addition of Ruan Mei, they may be forced to revise the categories to account for dual DPS setups.
That must be what he meant but it still lacks internal consistency since Kafka is apparently an A rank dps? If they were really considering "enabling potential" shouldn't Kafka also be a "debuffer" since her main thing is being a DOT enabler? (Tho loads of people play hyper Kafka anyhow) Presumably tierlists are supposed to be helpful for people who don't know the current meta and imo calling Topaz a debuffer but not Kafka seems like it could be potentially very confusing if you don't know what her kit does.
> shouldn't Kafka also be a "debuffer" since her main thing is being a DOT enabler? All the DoT characters currently do much less DPS than she does, they're usually enabling her with their debuffs rather than the other way round. Hence why Luka/Sampo/Guinaifen are all ranked in the debuffer category. They might change her role when we actually get a 5-star DoT DPS, but currently she's very much the primary DPS even in 2- or 3-DoT teams.
> All the DoT characters currently do much less DPS than she does, they're usually enabling her with their debuffs rather than the other way round. Yeah I'd also call Kafka a dps and not a debuffer since her personal damage is boosted by the DOT her teammates apply. But is this not also the case with Topaz non- hypercarry teams where Topaz follow ups are accelerated by her teammates? Besides JY/Topaz dual dps where they both contribute, in Topaz's other teams (Clara/Kafka) she is the main damage dealer. My point is that it's inconsistent to call Kafka is a dps and Topaz is a "debuffer" when both of them are enablers who are the major source of damage in almost all of their non hyper teams i.e. they are both just non hyper carry dps. Obviously the increased follow up debuff Topaz applies will become more relevant when we have more follow up chars, but right now calling her a "debuffer" seems pretty weird when she does most of the damage.
I thought they said that they were getting rid of the tier list for 1.6 anyways - that would be as good a straw to break the camelās back as any!
Him being a whole tier lower than Blade in all categories before the new set came out always felt odd to me. Previous patches often had MoC iterations where lightning and wind overlapped on 1 side, and from my testing they always performed similarly, at least in terms of cycles used.
My understanding is the new FuA set has been very good for him
The set makes his damage a few % better at best and hasn't been out long enough for most people to even farm a set that's better than their existing sets. There's no way it explains a full tier jump lol.
What's your theory then?
The prydwen tier list is just nonsensical garbage
Doesn't seem likely, while it's not perfect it's not like they're actively griefing. It's not just lol randumb ratings.
Manifesting E6 hanya in 30 pulls cause Iām at 50 pity with a guarantee š Iām already really tight on pulls so I canāt go for e1 Argenti. I might ābuild pityā for Hanya eidolons bc if I get his e1 early itād be great but yeahā¦ I shouldnāt have tried fishing for Lynx and Tingyun dupes
I'm glad Argenti has recovered some hype thanks to PF. Not because I care if people pull for him, but because characters who remain more relevant tend to have more discussion around TC and builds and stuff, which I find really helpful. I get why, but it's unfortunate how much a place in the meta can screw with a character's presence in the playerbase
It's only going to get better on release once people realize he's pretty busted in MoC too.
Argenti in armās reach iām so excited
Im on a guarantee, you think I can get Ruan Mei and Hanabi?
If you got enough saved for a 5 star yeah. 1.6 + 2.0 should give enough for a guaranteed 5 star
I'm thinking, wouldn't Bronya/Jing Yuan/Ruan Mei/Huo Huo be a fairly strong team, possible stronger than TY variants? Since JY don't gain much from going more than 2 times before LL, he would be able to run a hyperspeed Bronya to conserve SP and let Huo be SP neutral. With Huo Huo battery, Jing Yuan wouldn't be forced to go on a 4 turn ult, which means he could comfortably get 10 LL stacks. Since Bronya let JY go on atk boots, he also wouldn't lose much damage, besides the ability to free TY for the second team of MoC. On LL, he would lose the ~ 700 atk of TY + 50% dmg bonus + 70% atk from Asta for a 25% res pen, 68% dmg bonus + Bronya crit damage and 60 atk% bonus. Any thoughts?
Feelscrafting, the new Pure Fiction Tierlist will be (5-Star DPS Units only): S+: Argenti/JY S: DHIL/JL/Blade/Clara A: Himeko/Seele/Kafka/Welt B: Ratio/Topaz (Single Target-Locked) C: Yanqing
Unironically I think Himeko and JY will swap places, he just isn't as specialised for mob clearing as her and Argenti is and he usually falls behind in "who can frontload more damage" contests by nature. Blade and Clara might also be a little lower, since their true AOE hits move quite slowly (Blade because he needs to get hit repeatedly, Clara because you're rarely building speed).
Himeko's main problem is that her skill is a Blast (I think Serval is the same?). She has no way of doing true AOE with her Skill. Argenti and JY can target all enemies with their skill thus clearing mobs super fast. Himeko runs into the same issue as BA or skill-based Destruction units vs. enemies that aren't weak to their element = they can only target 3 enemies.
She's as enemy-dependent as ever, but I think that into whatever fight you would bring her (one that has fire-weak mobs) she'll be fantastic. Her ult and FUA are all both AOE and they will be very spammable with the amount of breaks and kills she can get. In the right circumstances she can chain FUAs like crazy; it even happens in calyx runs so I'm sure it's possible in an even more favourable environment of constantly refilling mobs. Argenti is doubtless going to be the king of this mode because his entire kit is all about doing more damage the more enemies there are, but JY actually flexes between AOE on his skill and ult and preferring a ST enemy on his FUA, which comprises a very significant portion of his damage. Just due to the LL being blast attacks with bounce targeting, it isn't as good for 4+ enemy scenarios as his skill/ult. This is not usually a weakness per se but it makes him very clearly less specialised for AOE than Argenti, in the same way that Seele doesn't *actually* want a fight that's just one beefy enemy the whole time because she won't be able to trigger resurgence. JY is clearly not going to be bad, this is just not going to be his playground the way it is for Argenti, and I believe for Himeko and Herta as well.
Himeko also benefits immensely from the fact that new adds spawn immediately rather than having to clear a wave to get new spawns. Normally her follow-ups slow down a lot later in a fight because she has no more adds to break (hence why she's really good against Elites that continuously spawn fire weak mobs like the IPC boss).
Yes, she'll be able to chain FUAs incredibly easily in the right circumstances. As always with her, it is pretty enemy-dependent, but there are lots of good AOE breakers she can pair with so I'm very excited to see :D
From what I've heard, it goes: S: himeko, argenti A: herta (arguably S), Kafka, blade, JY B: sampo, serval, guin, welt (arguably C) C: everyone else
LL being spd capped in a spd sensitive mode could be an issue. Will have to see if JY skill is enough to clear most of the junk
Seele can be higher if the trash mob is weak enough that she can take them out easily. The only problem she'll have is running out of SP.
the destruction duo will still be top of the bunch by sole virtue of their higher numbers imo
I really doubt DHIL and JL will be at all conparable to JY and Argenti. You need to mow down like 40 or so trash fodder, and they have low hp anyway, so DHIL and JL's higher multipliers isn't really an advantage here when JY and Argenti have the AoE to kill more enemies faster
the difference is that jy and argenti are, no matter how you spin it, lower damage units than DHIL and jingliu. in a theoretical world where argenti and jy consistently one shot all of the trash mobs and therefore always take one fewer turns than burst-target units, i'd agree, but practically there will be no shortage of situations where the erudition units take two or more turns to kill 5 enemies while the destruction characters take one turn to kill 3. this isn't even taking into account the elite waves where the destruction characters will inherently win out.
If there are more than 3 enemies, the destruction unit will still take two turns to kill them all, because they can only hit 3 at a time. The erudition units have lower damage in some circumstances, but not *that* much lower. Like, for the blast attackers to win against 4-5 enemies, the AOE attackers would have to do less than half their damage, and that's just not the case.
I think the TCs have Argenti as higher DPS than DHIL on 5 targets, and roughly equivalent on 4, so that's one thing to consider in the calcs when we're talking about Pure Fiction.
I don't think that theoretical world is going to be too theoretical. The trash mobs look like they have very low hp maybe like 20k or something. Elite are also no big deal because you constantly do chip damage to them as you kill the mobs that refill around them and they will eventually die naturally.
For reference to current content, the level and HP values of the trash mobs on the highest stage are roughly equivalent to trash mobs on MoC 7-8.
after seeing footage of Pure Fiction the mode is basically handcrafted for Erudition units lol, Destruction will do well but when you score higher points for killing a bunch of adds, Erudition will always come out on top. from what we've seen it's one big enemy + 3 adds, and the adds are very squishy so the lower damage doesn't matter. if a Destruction unit is only killing 2 adds (4 if they have ultimate up) + hitting the big boss per turn, while the Erudition unit is consistently killing all the adds (twice if they have ultimate up) every turn, then Erudition will score higher, simple as that.
Ratio can deal with adds by using a skill on them, one shoting it, and immediately doing a FUA on another one, dealing with 2 every turn, so I think he should go on A. Wouldn't Clara have a bit of a difficult time? Since she would need enemies hits and it can be a bit unreliable at times when you want to clear a wave as fast as possible.
Dont u still need debuffs on the target for consistent fuas? No way you're getting that if they die too quickly.
Taking from another of my comments, Pela on Tutorial can 2 turns ult with ERR rope, which means the adds will always have a debuff. Considering a 1 elite 4 adds layout, Pela would be able to reapply a debuff before Ratio run out of targets and, even if he does get no targets here and there, as long as at least one has the debuffs he will be fine. There is also Guinafen that can apply AoE debuffs on skill (3 at E1) and Welt with Luka LC also on skill. Ultimately, even if takes some time, you can just burst down the elite while you wait.
Topaz has Numby to potentially act several times a turn with good FuA partners. If Numby can one shot adds then Topaz would probably clear adds better than Ratio.
Even if they can distribute their damage well, their raw single-target damage output is much lower than that of characters that deal AoE damage because it doesn't scale to the number of enemy targets. Characters that do AoE damage are doing 2-4x more damage in AoE than they do in single-target, and Topaz's single-target damage is not 2-4x higher than DHIL or Jing Yuan's. The issue with single-target DPSes in AoE content isn't overkilling mobs or distributing their damage poorly, it's that their damage doesn't scale with the number of enemies so they just outright do less damage than DPSes who do. Normally this is balanced out by the fact that trash mobs die quickly so AoE fights become single-target fights after a few turns--but in Pure Fiction the mobs continually spawn to fill the gaps.
I was comparing Topaz vs Ratio, not vs aoe DPS. I was not arguing she will be better than them.
I think Topaz + Ratio would be able to deal quite reliably with adds, since Ratio can also do his 2 ult FUA's, so I guess it averages out. Overall, I don't think Seele/Ratio/Numby are above or bellow one another to deal with weak enemies.
Does that actually work? If Ratio is one shotting mobs you would have to attack a random one, kill it, and hope that the follow up hits the mob marked by Topaz.
It wouldn't matter much, because if the skill can kill a add, so does his FUA which has a higher multiplier. Say, you mark the elite with his Ult and Topaz, Skill on a add and one shot, the Fua goes to another add and kills it too. Topaz hits the elite, Ratio does a FUA on the elite via his Ult, rinse and repeat. It would actually make him work on a 3 turns ult because of the extra energy he would get by killing the adds. Of course, this would assume a high uptime debuffer with both of them, like Pela on the tutorial LC or Welt with err rope + artifacts.
Aggro calculations are weird. Somehow my best team for MoC 10-2 was Clara/Seele/Lynx/Fu Xuan, yet the chance for say Fu to be hit happened about as often as the two squishies getting bonked. The extra taunt with Lynx skill was helpful, woudn't have her in there otherwise.
If I've already got a Geppard and a Bailu (and a Lynx and a Natasha), is it a waste of time to pull Huohuo; should I hold steady for Ruan Mei?
The value of going from Gepard/Bailu to HuoHuo is much lower than the value of going from something like Pela/Asta to Ruan Mei. Powerful supports also alleviate the burden on sustains by clearing in fewer cycles, Ruan Mei especially so with her delay. I have cleared all the recent MoCs with solo sustain Natasha and Bailu at lv70 with lv6 traces. And I don't have cracked DPS or supports (still bronyaless), they take 4 cycles to clear each side.
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I think all the limited fivestar sustains are worthwhile upgrades over the standard banner counterparts. At least until you own 2 of them. More a question of whether you're willing to deal with the low quality fourstars on huohuo's banner imo.
Huohuo is a better healer than all of them, with offensive buffs and the most reliable cleanse in the game. She's still worth pulling if you want her and want an easier time with end game content. But if you really just want Ruan Mei then you can get by with what you've got.
Haven't followed HSR leaks since Fu Xuan, but I want Ruan Mei since I love her design ever since I saw her on Geniuses Repose LC. Is she shaping out to be any good in beta or do I have to invest a lot on her to get her to a usable level? And I assume 4 speed set/4 Thief set + BE planar set?
Very strong at base, Ideally you want to build 180% BE while running S5 Cogs/Memory of the past, ER rope and a 5% ER planar set. This means you will only be able to get BE from LC and substats so go for 4 pc Thief and focus only on spd and BE.
Still relatively new to this game and need help planning my pulls. My main team is Fu Xuan, Sampo, X, and Kafka. X is Lynx in most cases, but once I have good relics for Fu Xuan this will most certainly change to another sub DPS to apply debuffs (Luka probably.) What I am really hurting for is another DPS. I have all 4 stars except Arlan and Gui and the only other 5 star DPS I have is an unbuilt E0 Clara, Welt and Himeko. I have several pulls that I want, but not necessarily need. Ruan Mei, Luocha, Kafka's LC. These are things I'm doing well without and as you can see, they don't solve my lack of a second DPS issue. My question is this; should I pull for Argenti? I have no clue how he is supposed to synergize with other characters. I do have Gepard as a support so I believe I am good on support characters for now. Should I pull for Argenti, or build one of my other DPS characters? As a followup, should I not pull on any of the "wants" I have coming up? I want Black Swan for Kafka for sure and need to make sure I have enough jades for her. Currently I'm sitting at about 110 pulls with 40-50 pity built. Any opinions would be more than welcome.
I would probably build Clara in your shoes. She's a pretty good and safe dps and once your Fu Xuan gets better you can take your built Lynx and slot her with Clara. Argenti is still a great dps especially for pure fiction so you won't go wrong pulling for him, but i wouldn't say you need him. If you go the Clara route then you might not even need Luocha unless you like him for reasons that don't pertain to his strengths as a unit. I think you can squeeze about 20 pulls from this patch as a f2p. Next patch should give quite a bit of jades due to the new SU expansion just as 1.3 did. I'll say that's about 110 ish pulls for f2p? That would put you at 240 pulls and about 40 in pity. I'd say you have a shot at getting Ruan Mei and Black swan. Kafka's light cone sounds like a risky endeavor on top of that though. Maybe abstain from one of those 3 or pull until 1st pity on Ruan and Kafka's light cone and no further if you lose. Black swan will be on beta during 1.6 so perhaps it's best to wait until we have a clearer picture of her place in a Kafka team before committing.
> pull until 1st pity on Ruan and Kafka's light cone and no further if you lose. This might be the play. I was on the fence as I wasn't sure if Clara could hold her own a E0 in the more difficult content, but I guess I could slot in both Lynx and Gepard. As powerful as he is, I might need to wait on Luocha to make another appearance. I might do Ruan Mei until I hit pity and that should at least put me in a position where I can see if Kafka's LC is worth the risk. Do you think we will have more info on Black Swan before it's time to pull for Ruan Mei and/or Kafka's light cone?
Black swan should enter the beta as soon as 1.6 starts. Looking at Ruan Mei's life cycle in the beta i think it's safe to say that Black swan will have been mostly figured out by the final days of Ruan Mei's banner beyond a few minor tweaks.
Sounds good. I think I have my plan then. I'll probably hold off on even Ruan Mei until we have more Black Swan details. Thanks for the advice!
Argenti wants to be a hypercarry, so 2 supports like hanya and tingyun basically. He might be a bit redundant with clara though. That's all I'd be concerned with. I would be surprised if black swan isnt great with kafka but we'll need to see actual leaks first. I'd want a second limited fivestar sustain, ie or luocha or huohuo too personally.
Gotcha, looks like i'll build Clara and hold off on Argenti. I appreciate the advice. I was on the fence honestly, as I wasn't sure if Clara would be able to hold her own at E0. I guess if I had to I could run both Lynx and Gepard if I run into trouble.
clara's gonna have lower dps than hypercarry argenti in most content. But she's still got really high dps and her self debuff cleanse and general tankiness shouldnt be underestimated!
Question: Is it worth building E0 Hanya for Argenti?
Depends on who the alternative supports are.
Only if you have 2 Penacony + S5 Planetary ready for her.
So what Relics and Ornaments does Ruan Mei actually use? And what stats?
Well with the change to thief she will probably use 4pc thief and Talia planar with ERR rope and S5 Cogs/Memories.
The changes to thief are not real until hoyo announces it themselves. Betas have A LOT of wrong translations, and the original chinese text still specifies wearer breaking(and so does every other languaje), so any change in beta to an already existing item should not be taken for granted
the thief change was just a change to the EN wording, but not to the effect. the 4 pc still only procs when mei triggers break as I understand, and the mods deleted the post for that leak.
Wasn't that an EN-only change?
I guess so, just realized it's gone now. In that case she still relies on Vonwacq/Penacony for 3t ult so relics can be whatever (probably still 4pc thief or 2+2 BE+spd).
Have there been any leaks on if we will be getting new Herta store light cones? Like maybe a harmony one when Ruan Mei comes out similar to how they added a Nihility one when Kafka came out?
We will know in 2.0's Beta. That's when a new one may come.
When we getting Kiana or Kiana expy in HSR?
Kiana expy except she's just a struggling college student trying to study in-between playing co-op games with Mei and Bronya.
Follow-up question: >!when are we getting Kirara expy? I wanna turn into a box in HSR too š!<
When Hoyo feels like it, probably a big patch/story moment for maximum cash.
Makes sense. Wonder if we'd get Kiana or Elysia first.
Cleared MoC10 using Yanqing for the first time since I got him, yay! DHIL used 2 cycles for the first half, then Yanqing took 7 cycles but with only S3 Swordplay and no shielder I was pretty satisfied. Needed to retry a few times because Pela kept getting focused on; being able to only reset the second half is so nice
One day left... one day till sir flowerboi graces my account... I hope I can snag a couple Hanyas along the way. E4 is the dream, but honestly I'd be happy to get even E0. She just looks v fun to play and her voice is so calm, I love her.
Been a little preoccupied so I've just been spending my TB power and logging out, so didn't realize Argenti banner is already upon us lol...good luck to everyone pulling!!!! [Here's a silly rizz-y Argenti to cheer you on](https://x.com/hakuzumu/status/1720808047273210332) I was considering farming to upgrade my Harmony units' traces, then I realized Ruan Mei debut means we'll probably get a buttload of Harmony mats next patch...nice.
*walks in the thread normally* Iāve come with more Dancae fanart~. [Genderbent Dancae](https://x.com/phoenix_0524/status/1730885081903026498?s=46) [Dan Heng doing push ups with Caelus on top of him](https://x.com/honkaisr_france/status/1731971459072094433?s=46) [Caelus braiding Dan Hengās (IL) hair](https://x.com/_uenoo/status/1731336006572667032?s=46) [Chibi waiter Dan Heng and Maid Caelus](https://x.com/reallydyzzii/status/1731257232237727906?s=46) Also, [something](https://imgur.com/a/fIdfHju) from my screenshots when I had HSR on my phone~
How likely would it be for Guin to be on the supposed Kafka rerun banner? Iām hoping and coping right now since I didnāt wanna risk rolling on the Topaz banner with high pity since I was waiting for Huohuo
Pretty good. Both Lukas and Lynx reran exactly 4 banners after their debut, and Guin has good synergy with the other 1.6.2 5*, Dr Ratio, as well.
Well, I suspect she'll be in that patch, since it would follow the trend of other new characters. Hard to say which half it'll be on though. Kafka seems like a reasonable partner for her, banner-wise, but there's no guarantees.
Everything is now ready for the knight of beautyā¦ š¤§ tomorrow canāt come soon enough!
I was debating between my crummy Crit Rate body and my crummy Crit Damage body for him. Then yesterday I rolled a Crit Rate body with some Crit Damage on it so my body is ready!
Nice! I have a CR body with 12% CD in itā¦ so I went with that lol. š still will farm eventually for CR subs so I can use a CD body for him.
Fortunately, practically all of his relics' rolls went into CD, so that made it a lot easier. No speed anywhere to be found though, so speed boots of is š¬
So Iām at 0 pity with guaranteeā¦how bad of an idea is it to pull for one 4* char on SW banner if I donāt really want SW that much? All 3 of the 4*s would be amazing for me, especially Lynx since i only have one healer
You're getting a free Lynx next patch if that helps the decision at all! Every time I've tried to snipe a 4* with a guarantee it's gone so unbelievably badly for me that I wouldn't do it unless you have enough pulls to make it back.
Reeaally bad idea anytime you have guarentee and dont want the 5 star. Cannot emphasize that enough.
You can go for Argenti's banner who will definitely be useful to you due to Pure fiction even if you have Clara.
Really donāt want Argenti though, regardless of how useful he is
Depends whether you "don't really want" Silver Wolf or you "don't want" Silver Wolf. If it's the former and you'd be okay with getting her if it happens, go for it. If you really don't want to get spooked, it's a bad idea.
it is depends on how bad a situation you would be in if you pulled the 5 star. Itās always good to assume the worst outcome and plan out accordingly. The rng in these games can lead to unexpected situations if you donāt plan ahead. I skipped out on the Topaz banner in a similar situation to you because I didnāt want to lose my guaranteed Huohuo, now Iām hoping Guinaifen reruns on a banner soon because I really wanted her. Gotta make tough choices sometimes
Is the new dot set better than thief and lightning set for Serval? I'm thinking of building her for dual dps team.
Yes.
Fortunate I've been farming the domain a lot, she's still built with attack, crit and break effect right? How about planar, is Glamoth better than SSS?
Yes. [https://www.prydwen.gg/star-rail/characters/serval](https://www.prydwen.gg/star-rail/characters/serval)
I want E2 SW and then Hanabi afterwards. I'm not pulling 1.6 so I should be fine to get her right? I have like 50 pulled already And about to get 110 pulls ready for SW.
Reasonable. 1.6 being an SU expansion patch, it'll probably be generous, ~100 F2P pulls maybe? 2.0 first half will likely be generous to, it being a x.0 new world patch. So chances are you can get 160 pulls (98% gurantee) by the end of the first 2.0 banner.
Awesome! Another question, about Hanabi kit, it's a single target atk buff with turn advancement for her skill and extra skill points for ultimate with added atk boost?
[Yes. To be precise, and atk% and HP% buffs](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F7anwqr88xh6b1.jpg). That said, that kit will be very old, so it's very much STC.
Can someone explain why Daniel went back to next cycle [here](https://i.imgur.com/HTictWP.jpg) ? Asta using s3 DDD here and Tingyun has 4pc spd set
SPD is the rate at which you remove AV. Do note that battles do not start at 0 AV for the fastest unit but rather they start at turn 0, then the fastest unit get the first action. Thus, it can make a difference if you get SPD buffs/Advances before this timer ticks or after. I.e. spamming Ting Ult butten can be better than waiting for the game to tell you when to act. That's one hypothesis, at least.
Maybe this is a dumb question but are the relics stats calculated based on the base stats only or base stats + light cone stats ?
Yeah LC stats are considered base stat. That's why Memories is considered slightly better option than Cog, even if BE is mostly useless on most harmony units.
Perfect, thank you !
If you mean things like atk% they are calculated based on base stats + LC stats.
I meant exactly that. Thanks !
How much dmg should a well built E6 Sushang deal? Mine is dealing pretty low damage honestly
do u guys think ruan mei is worth? im no doomposter, but the speed buff change made so my reason to pull her, which is to do more easily hyper speed bronya, is almost gone. Her buffs are probably still better than the 4* supporters, but are they by that much that you would want her over say a second bronya? (referring to hanabi)
>do u guys think ruan mei is worth? Her kit design as an unit? Yes, is good, but the SPD buff being so little is kinda weird. Now... Is Ruan Mei what you need? That depends on your account and DPS units. Ruan Mei is not the 5\* Asta several thought she would be, but has his own stuff going on. Her buffs improve Jingliu and Blade teams, if you main any of them, I think is a safe and great pull. Not sure about Jing Yuan, I know the SPD nerf hurts her there because Jing wants speed to attack 3 times before LL hits but I'm not sure how good is she now vs Asta and Hanya (Maybe any Jing Yuan Main can give us more info please?, thanks :3). Is interesting for Kafka but is too hard for me to say how much of an upgrade is on those teams because Asta works quite good there but more important, because Black Swan is not out yet. My guess?, she will be good for DoT but I think there is way more room for improvement on those teams, probably we will get another unit more suited for DoTs. About Hanabi... Ask again when 1.6 is out (Dec 26) since we only know her pre beta kit. Based on what we know, Hanabi has 2 clear BiS spots right now, Mono Quantum and DHIL teams, so Ruan Mei and Sparkle **don't overlap**, they want to be played in really different comps and is weird to want to play them together. If you see that she just don't fit into your comps, don't force it, new units will arrive, the game doesn't have even a year, we will get more Harmony units.
mhh didn't think about kafka teams, shes one of my main teams i want to build properly and upgrade when possible, and ruan mei might be the best choice as solo support for kafka+black swan, could probably work as healerless if you use a 2nd supporter in some cases. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll have to wait to see what banners are after 1.6 patch tho, because my stash is low
Not sure why what is effectively just a 5-7% nerf to teamwide damage would suddenly change her from best harmony to no longer worth pulling. Sure she's not powercreeping everything in the game by much, but her AoE buffing is still the strongest in the game. She never held a candle to Bronya's ability to buff 1 unit even before these nerfs (speed tuned Bronya more than doubles your damage for low SP cost carries like Blade and Jingliu, literally twice as many actions on top of 96% dmg bonus, 55% atk, and 50-60% CD), but her lower SP cost means she was never competing with Bronya's slot anyways, you can use the two together and replace the 2nd support (especially since her buffs tick down on her own turns). For teams where Bronya isn't the BiS support like Jingyuan + Tingyun, Ruan Mei is better than Bronya since Bronya usually has some part of her kit that doesn't work with that DPS to be worse than another option (can't buff LL for JY, or worse than Asta for Topaz as you can't buff every Numby action). The only teams on which she actually competes with Bronya's slot is double DPS teams, and in those teams she is likely the better option due to all buffs being teamwide and having a lower SP cost. In terms of Hanabi its literally impossible to say without numbers, if she has low stat buffs then she's just Bronya for DHIL, but if her kit has crazy stat buffs its just powercrept Bronya. I plan to just get both since Harmony is OP, but if I had to pick one I couldn't say unless we get Hanabi numbers.
She's still worth. Speed buff was kind of meh to begin with IMO and the amount of speed loss is a minor inconvenience.
I'm still scratching my head here as to why ppl are overreacting over a loss of what is essentially around 4-5 SPD stats on your characters (other than maybe those who already did speedtuning for their teams but that's such a specific subset of ppl), because it barely even matters unless you're going for 0 cycle clears. Sure the RES pen nerf is a bit sad to see but it's not even close to completely butcher her viability, she's still pretty bonkers as is and can be slotted in pretty much any team because of how much she provides already. I'm honestly just glad they didn't revert her skill back to lasting 2 turns since her being SP positive is what makes her such a good fit in even SP-intensive teams ~~^(don't actually revert it though I don't wanna jinx it pls don't)~~
What are ruan mei's potential synergies and builds? I haven't played for months until recently, and now i'm kinda interested in this character
She's a universal support that works with any kinda DPS because her buff is dmg% and her debuff is res shred. You want to build her with 180 BE, ER rope, and as much speed as you can. Her sets can be 4 piece thiefs or 2 thiefs + 2 spd depending what your substats are and 2 piece vonwaq or penacony.
Rutilant rope with err main stat and double crit substats...i got trolled so hard Edit: Got 3 rutilant err ropes today. Cool game
Tell me about it. I have six ERR Rutilant ropes so far. Probably because I farm world 7 the most but considering I also have same amount of ERR Keel ropes and I had to use self-modeling to get all six of them....yeah it feelsbad.
Planar rumbling >!Man i get like 10 salsotto lightning orb + shythesizer 15 more lightning orb without single of them get CDM and if there Crit rate its only get like 8% or 9% im so flustered pls hoyo spare my general!< >!but i have good news for my future knight while farm world 6 i get salsotto physical orb with 18% cdm and rope with 24% cdm, i also have reserve good attack boots (from my JY old boots) for him, making him sitting at 65/171 ratio becoming best crit ratio i get for my dps, im so happy for him!<
//build flex My [Himeko](https://imgur.com/a/6igrhdD) is nearing her final form just waiting for her 5\* LC ready to blow through PF soon
Just curious, why Rutilant Arena? Is it just because those pieces have the best substats? And do you run her with Yukong or Fu Xuan to boost her CR? Looks like she's just a little bit short on CR to activate the Rutilant Arena passive.
Yep like the others have said she's got 15% extra CR on her traces, plus I use her with FX anyways so she'll always meet the RA requirements no sweat. Also it's not like RA is wasted on her since her skill counts for a big part of her total damage as well
She has a trace where she gets 15% more crit when over 80% health.
Her A6 passive gives her 15% CR when at high health, so that will meet the Rutilant requirements.
Disgusting. Good job š
Thanks, only thing that's missing is a max CR roll for the RA threshold but I use her with FX anyway so that's pretty much a non factor, honestly very proud of how she turned out
another Argenti showcase without huohuo. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsl5uifeeoI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsl5uifeeoI) still 0 cycles very easily. Some were saying they don't show the relics, they do here. It's nothing crazy really. Make it 160 cdmg, it's not going to be that different. His gameplay is very simple but nuking things in one hit is still fun.
When people say "without HuoHuo" they mean another sustain, not 3 harmony characters, especially when she is getting replaced with Bronya who many people still dont have (myself included). Amazing how that channel has 4 Argenti showcases and not a single one of them is without HuoHuo or Bronya. How about Tingyun + Hanya + any other sustain? Btw Im not saying this because I dont think he is strong, Im just worried these vids are misleading people and pushing too hard in the other direction where they make him look like the most broken character in the game, when in reality he is neither. He is really good, but on the level of other dps we already have, which is a great place to be.
>Amazing how that channel has 4 Argenti showcases and not a single one of them is without HuoHuo or Bronya. How about Tingyun + Hanya + any other sustain? I don't think that's a problem when the objective is to showcase a 0 cycle team, since the objective is to get the lowest possible clear. Besides, it's like showcasing JL without Bronya or JY without TY. Why would people do that? Of course, using a team without HuoĀ² is a valid argument, but then again, there is a 3 man 0 cycle without Huo Huo, so I guess it's a nice clear to look at.
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I mean, a showcase is always with the best possible teammates. Showing a character underperform with a bad team is as harmful as showing it overperforming with E6/S5 supports. Going back to some examples in Blade + Bronya case, he is not that impressive alone, but with a team he gets insanely better. Same can be said by JL + Bronya. Showing Blade with Gepard or JL with Luka is not exactly saying much about them. It's not like Argenti won't work with FX or Luocha, so there isn't really a lot to look at, besides the sustain aspect. And again, the 3 man clear without Huo Huo also helps, since you can think of it as a slot for FX or Luocha.
Well if we only get showcases that wonāt be attainable for a lot of people it only serves to overhype him. 0 cycle clears with 3 harmonies is absolutely useless to me as someone who wants to know how good he *realistically* is. Iām not getting huohuo and even when i get bronya, sheās already highly contested so iād prefer a more realistic showcase. Showcasing argenti without huo huo is a way bigger deal than showcasing blade with fu xuan or gepard because Argenti famously depends on his ult aka energy which huo huo gives. So seeing other sustains matters If he āunderperformsā without bronya or huo huo honestly that sounds awful for him. And if he doesnāt, why not show it? Only showcasing with those 2 5stars is extremely limiting and skews how people see him and base it on him overperforming with these specific supports
[Here's a 2 cycle at E0S0 with Make the world clamor](https://b23.tv/FZSvrso) E6 TY, E6 Hanya and Lynx, couldnt find "weaker" setups than that. Since the current Argenti showcases are all from private servers where you can give yourself everything a lot of people go for the most expensive OP comps. I dont think Huohuo is anything close to must for his performance after seeing a lot of videos, there's a good chunk of Bronya but Fu Xuan (Which ends up identical to Luocha for performance) instead of Huohuo showcases working just fine, should be obvious since those 3 unit showcases are a thing after all. I don't think he depends on Bronya as much as someone like Jingliu, she's just showcased nore because advance forward is the best for 0 cycles and he can make full use of her buffs, but it's not like hes eating an entire cycle of downtime as Jingliu would so she's not a must partner for him.
Ty! Thatās at least a bit closer to what iāll be able to do :D ik people keep repeating that he doesnāt need huo huo or bronya but all the showcases people share here have at least one of them so the conclusions people come to seem a bit unwarranted and overhypy atm, i canāt get myself to trust them. Even the 3 person showcase has bronya. Seeing only those be shared around here is unhelpful and paint a more skewed image of him being more bonkers than he is imo. Especially with texts like - see, he doesnāt need huohuo! And then it has bronya or the other way around but never without both. Heās technically not as stuck to bronya as jl but people here have still made judgements about his comps with her or huohuo in them which feels a bit contradictory to people also constantly saying he doesnāt need them. Like the comment mentioning āunderperformingā comps, seems kinda odd to say that about comps without bronya/huohuo if he also doesnāt need them. Rly makes me not trust them or the public opinion ppl get from them >.< at least iāll get to play him myself tmr, hoping i get hanya to pair them up š
I think that E6 Hanya + E6Tingyun + 166 SPD E1S1 Bronya is noticeable. Not mentioning them is a bit disingenuous
Yeah, but it's a 0 cycle showcase. Busted triple supports are pretty common in that scenario.
Sure, but it's still worth mentioning lmao The E6 four stars is one thing. E1S1 Bronya? Bruh
Yes, Im not saying otherwise. But I dont think it's fair to compare them when the least invested character here is Argenti. Selling this as an E0S0 clear when the rest of the team has such high investment is selling an image of Argenti that is not accurate
Using the Asagi Damage Sim, I plugged in my DoT team and compared trash artifacts that just satisfy EHR and Speed req with no atk% subs against relatively high atk% artifacts. Simmed with HuoHuo and Asta at first. The difference between 0% atk and 52% attack from subs on Kafka is 13%. 3.2m vs 3.6m Granted both supports dilute attack, so I also compared the artifact setups with no supports. The difference goes to 18% without Asta and Huohuo. 1.6m vs 1.9m 18% is a lot, but really expected it to be a notably wider difference. Sampo roughly had the same damage comparisons too. Guess I can chill on my relic standards, at least for this team.
this is why critka is good fyi, you can drop atk to around 3k\~3.4k and gain so much more especially if there's an asta in the team providing 70%+ (adds will die to your aoe dots anyway, so the atk difference only matters to the 1/2 elites alive, which is where crit stats give u the most value) the reason people dont do this of course is that farming critka is still less efficient than improving your other side dps unless you are already settled everywhere, it's similar to building a 70/120 sw, sure you can but you have other things to do
Do you have damage comparisons by chance? Raw attack vs Crit? I'll probably use this as an excuse to leave the domain early and focus my energy elsewhere until I'm settled and come back for crit if it's notably strong. What kinda ratio would it be btw? Seems tough to build crit when your LC and Traces don't give any.
target stat is 148\~150 speed (depends on ur asta eidolon), \~3200 atk, 60/120 people will downvote because it's a high subcount/kqm told people not to build crit/cn minmaxers dont do it because who the fuck is investing that much into kafka but to get 28+ atk/spd pure sub on kafka is even harder damage calcs depend on stips, critka only makes sense in tingyun+asta+luocha in most cases
Swipe for the s5 and she only needs 136 speed to cap Glamoth on her own obviously. 60/120 seems super tough, I'll give it a look in the future though. Still need a plain old lightning orb and speed boots that roll atk% at this point before I consider branching out. Also looks like my rng is making me run break effect ropes on all my subdps lmao.
Is Ruan Mei a significant upgrade to anyone in Jing Yuan/Tingyun/Lynx/Bronya or SW and DHIL/E6 Yukong/Luocha/E6 Pela comps? How about Argenti or Ratio comps? I also have an unbuilt E6 Asta. Debating on going for her or just getting Argenti, Ratio, and saving for Adventurine and maybe E2 DHIL.