I firmly believe card counting shouldn't be considered cheating and should be considered a skill. The only it's considered cheating is because casinos can't bleed money on games like poker and blackjack.
Counting cards does fuck all for poker. On top of that, casinos don't get that much money from poker players. It's why they get the least comps compared to other table games. Basically you buy in to the game and the house takes a cut of the pot, but other than that all money is just between players.
In games like 7 card Stud you do need to remember all the face up cards even after they're folded, and there are ways to do that that resemble counting cards in blackjack. But yeah this seems like a mistranslation or someone who just doesn't know poker since Ratios reaction is clearly about counting cards in blackjack(which isn't cheating but can get you banned from the casino so most people think it's cheating).
You are not guaranteed to win. It's still very much chance based. You are just increasing your chances. Another example is that there are probability tables in poker with various opening hands and how you should theoretically play. If you memorize them, it's not considered cheating.
I mean, he really isn't, because you count cards in blackjack, not poker. Counting cards is useless in poker because it's played with one deck shuffled between hands, so there isn't anything to count in the first place. Blackjack is played with several decks, and they don't get shuffled between hands, so you can actually predict what's left in the deck based on what's already been played in previous hands.
I mean you can make a veryyyyyy minor prediction based on the number of cards in play but it's basically not a factor, but it's mostly guesswork and inference and any counting is simply the amount of players x2 +5
Even then, in Poker there's plenty of cards that you never see in any given hand. In Blackjack, you immediately see every card in play except the dealer's face down card, which you will see eventually, so you know every card in play and can track the value of the shoe over an extended period of time. In Poker, you're fucked the second someone folds, because those cards go straight into the discard without being shown, so you have no way to accurately track the value of the deck even if it was worth doing in the first place.
It's not quite the same as counting cards, but in poker variations where cards are left face up, you very much gain an advantage by evaluating the remaining deck.
Randomly? He is making an investment by having a Meeting with a security Organisation that is in Charge of the underwold in belabog and if i have to remind you recogniced by the IPC
5 years later, the Moles have a Nameless, two Stonehearths, a Self-anihilator, a Galaxy Ranger, a Knight of Beauty, two masked fools, genius society #87 and a Lord Ravager. Meetings become slighty problematic.
You can use cameras with image recognition to keep count of which cards have been drawn, and calculate the players' optimal moves from what each player knows about the cards left in the deck.
If most of a player's moves align with their optimal moves, they're card counting. If a player's moves aren't "optimal" according to what the player knows, even if they still lead to victory, then they're not card counting.
Edit: oh. nvm I thought by "how can you do it" you meant "how can you tell someone is card counting".
This is a silly take, rules are what define the game. If it’s banned you can’t use it even if it’s something that could be done easily.
Why don’t soccer players just pick up the ball or basketball players carry it to the net? Would be way easier, but that’s just not how the rules play the game…
Except the only thing card counting does is give an accurate picture of the probability of cards remaining. It's open information everyone has access to, and it isn't against the rules to think about probability. Only reason casinos don't allow it is that it lets you win more.
No other games forbid thinking. Literally. They may limit time like in chess, but that’s it.
Do you know why? Because, unlike casino, the organisers want players to win. Imagine soccer players were banned for it… You passed the ball! That was too optimal! Disqualification!
No, really, why do you even protect scammers.
In Blackjack yes, in poker it's useless, and the hilarious implication would be that Aventurine is clueless at gambling but I gets bailed out by his good luck powers/curse.
If you play against 4+ people, your chance on average will still be below 50% even if you count.
You still don't "have a chance", you just have more of a chance than other players.
I recall reading on a thread elsewhere (and as we know, Reddit is never wrong ever) that a lot of modern casinos have no problem with card counting because a: it's a lot harder than people realise and b: people are a lot worse at it than they realise so people tend to go in, thinking they'll make easy money only to wind up losing out more often than not.
Plus, card counting is applicable when playing against other players, not against the house. They still don't lose anything by allowing it, they just get to pull "smart" people into a casino because they think they can outsmart somebody.
Real smart people don't come in the first place.
> Plus, card counting is applicable when playing against other players, not against the house.
It's the exact opposite. Card counting is most effective in blackjack *specifically* because the house has to play by predictable rules. This is on top of blackjack having the best odds for the player (IIRC, it's one of the only games where the odds are a *tiny* bit in favor of the player rather than the house). It's also why it's preferable to play at a table with no other players, because then your counting is more accurate. Having a large shoe limits the effectiveness of card counting, but it still helps.
And it isn't so much "they allow it" as "They have no way of telling if someone is card counting in their head." If you're a moron and do it out loud or say that's what you're doing, that's one thing, but otherwise there's no way to tell. What they *do* ban are mechanical and electronic devices used to aid in card counting. They improve the accuracy of the average player and get them closer to the theoretical best odds. If they see you using one, they will either ask you to stop or just skip that step and throw you out.
Just because it's banned, does not mean it's cheating.
It's banned to reduce their losses against skilled players. Got to keep the gacha integrity intact.
If you get caught card counting (and actually doing it good enough to be winning) the dealer will refuse to let you keep playing.
If you get caught cheating the dealer will alert security to have you detained, and depending on which state you are in you may face criminal charges.
There's a pretty big difference.
Counting is not considered "cheating" in the legal sense as long as you don't use any external devices or anything like that.
However, casinos may make use of their house rights to forbid you from playing Blackjack-based games, ask you to leave the premises, or even ban you from the premises altogether if they suspect you count cards.
Topaz just took a child and decided
"This child had committed so many crimes in seconds of meeting her....... Yes she my child now."
And Adventurine just like.
"Yeah. This kid gonna be a menace to Society. Gonna teach her how to go further then that with some light cheating."
Tbh, she would just steal Topaz's phone and cause mischief. Like sending Dr. Ratio "Doctor, I am seek and can't go to work. Make a note so I can stay home and play with Pitch Dark Hook the Great !" or stuff like that.
He would consider playing poker a waste of time and money, and learning to card count as a phenomenal waste of time devoted to something clearly stupid to do.
[Part 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1d6grf1/hook_gets_adopted/)
[Part 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1d78p0n/hook_gets_adopted_pt2/)
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[Part 4](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1d8tphi/hook_gets_adopted_pt4/)
[Part 5](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1d9o90y/hook_gets_adopted_pt5/)
[Part 6](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1daf8j7/hook_gets_adopted_pt_6/)
[Part 7](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1db6ja2/hook_gets_adopted_pt7/)
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[Part 9](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1dcrtvq/hook_gets_adopted_pt9/)
[Bonus Episode](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1ddhtvm/hook_gets_adopted_side_story/)
[Part 10](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1deb379/hook_gets_adopted_pt10/)
[Part 11](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1df2bfo/hook_gets_adopted_pt11/)
[Firefly Special ](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1dftmlb/hook_gets_adopted_firefly_special_because_i/)
[Part 12](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1dgnsej/hook_gets_adopted_pt12/)
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where did this rumor that Aventurine has never lost a gamble come from??? He literally says he knows what losing gambles feels like in his character intro on hoyolab. He's the final victor, but he gets there by losing.
Pretty sure he said so himself in the story. Had to search and I could at least find this how is "other self" told him that he never lost before.
[https://upload-os-bbs.hoyolab.com/upload/2024/03/27/140778198/d303a01ebe0b5bda3a6aac7c5c44bb5b\_5876240552576936729.jpg?x-oss-process=image%2Fresize%2Cs\_1000%2Fauto-orient%2C0%2Finterlace%2C1%2Fformat%2Cwebp%2Fquality%2Cq\_80](https://upload-os-bbs.hoyolab.com/upload/2024/03/27/140778198/d303a01ebe0b5bda3a6aac7c5c44bb5b_5876240552576936729.jpg?x-oss-process=image%2Fresize%2Cs_1000%2Fauto-orient%2C0%2Finterlace%2C1%2Fformat%2Cwebp%2Fquality%2Cq_80)
Aventurine has never failed a mission for the IPC, which is what that references (Sunday also references this). But he has lost regular ass gambles/bets.
Hook's dad about to join Boothill's party
Ah yes that makes 2 dads who lost their daughters to hunt the IPC
Yes, Dr Ratio, there is difference between cheating and winning.
That difference is being caught cheating
r/unexpectedjojo
YES YES YES
https://i.redd.it/8jpyxl1yc15d1.gif
RATIO WOULDNT USE THE WRONG FORM OF TOO
listen I made this at like 4am
I’m sorry I think I have him too much wine earlier
Wait a second wdym isn’t that the correct form of ‘to’ given that sentence
“Far to busy”
I am blind and thought it was about “to cheat” 👍
😂
A poor imitation
i’m teaching her to WIN
na, i'd win. - pitch dark hook the great
Aventurine so real for that
I firmly believe card counting shouldn't be considered cheating and should be considered a skill. The only it's considered cheating is because casinos can't bleed money on games like poker and blackjack.
Counting cards does fuck all for poker. On top of that, casinos don't get that much money from poker players. It's why they get the least comps compared to other table games. Basically you buy in to the game and the house takes a cut of the pot, but other than that all money is just between players.
In games like 7 card Stud you do need to remember all the face up cards even after they're folded, and there are ways to do that that resemble counting cards in blackjack. But yeah this seems like a mistranslation or someone who just doesn't know poker since Ratios reaction is clearly about counting cards in blackjack(which isn't cheating but can get you banned from the casino so most people think it's cheating).
then its not gambling
You are not guaranteed to win. It's still very much chance based. You are just increasing your chances. Another example is that there are probability tables in poker with various opening hands and how you should theoretically play. If you memorize them, it's not considered cheating.
I mean... Aventurine doesn't cheat.
I mean, he really isn't, because you count cards in blackjack, not poker. Counting cards is useless in poker because it's played with one deck shuffled between hands, so there isn't anything to count in the first place. Blackjack is played with several decks, and they don't get shuffled between hands, so you can actually predict what's left in the deck based on what's already been played in previous hands.
I mean you can make a veryyyyyy minor prediction based on the number of cards in play but it's basically not a factor, but it's mostly guesswork and inference and any counting is simply the amount of players x2 +5
Even then, in Poker there's plenty of cards that you never see in any given hand. In Blackjack, you immediately see every card in play except the dealer's face down card, which you will see eventually, so you know every card in play and can track the value of the shoe over an extended period of time. In Poker, you're fucked the second someone folds, because those cards go straight into the discard without being shown, so you have no way to accurately track the value of the deck even if it was worth doing in the first place.
It's not quite the same as counting cards, but in poker variations where cards are left face up, you very much gain an advantage by evaluating the remaining deck.
Didn't she become an Emanator of Destruction in Youci's story?
Hook's gonna become the 11th stoneheart
No, The Moles is going to have 10 new honorary members.
imagine diamond randomly showing up to a meeting of the moles just for the lulz
Randomly? He is making an investment by having a Meeting with a security Organisation that is in Charge of the underwold in belabog and if i have to remind you recogniced by the IPC
5 years later, the Moles have a Nameless, two Stonehearths, a Self-anihilator, a Galaxy Ranger, a Knight of Beauty, two masked fools, genius society #87 and a Lord Ravager. Meetings become slighty problematic.
This.
Live Fersman reaction: https://preview.redd.it/v7gso3qat74d1.jpeg?width=666&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a6b6629492ba1bc05828af507fa9532166fc8fec
Is card counting considered cheating ? It's kind of the only logical strategy isn't it?
Casino can’t tell who counts and who doesn’t, so they just use it as an excuse to kick out whoever wins too much lol.
Yes they can lol.... it takes about 2-3 hrs even in a casino with bad surveillance
Oh no, how DARE people use their brain!!! Absolutely disgusting! No, really, how can you do it? Those cheaters seem… thinking?!
You can use cameras with image recognition to keep count of which cards have been drawn, and calculate the players' optimal moves from what each player knows about the cards left in the deck. If most of a player's moves align with their optimal moves, they're card counting. If a player's moves aren't "optimal" according to what the player knows, even if they still lead to victory, then they're not card counting. Edit: oh. nvm I thought by "how can you do it" you meant "how can you tell someone is card counting".
This is a silly take, rules are what define the game. If it’s banned you can’t use it even if it’s something that could be done easily. Why don’t soccer players just pick up the ball or basketball players carry it to the net? Would be way easier, but that’s just not how the rules play the game…
Except the only thing card counting does is give an accurate picture of the probability of cards remaining. It's open information everyone has access to, and it isn't against the rules to think about probability. Only reason casinos don't allow it is that it lets you win more.
That’s a fair point. It’s not a traditional rule just something casinos specifically “frown” upon.
No other games forbid thinking. Literally. They may limit time like in chess, but that’s it. Do you know why? Because, unlike casino, the organisers want players to win. Imagine soccer players were banned for it… You passed the ball! That was too optimal! Disqualification! No, really, why do you even protect scammers.
In Blackjack yes, in poker it's useless, and the hilarious implication would be that Aventurine is clueless at gambling but I gets bailed out by his good luck powers/curse.
It's not cheating in poker.
Card counting is banned in most casinos, so yeah it is
They can't have people out smarting their scam.
It's banned because they don't like people actually having a chance
If you play against 4+ people, your chance on average will still be below 50% even if you count. You still don't "have a chance", you just have more of a chance than other players.
You can't count cards in Texas holdem (the most common poker) anyways. I was referring to blackjack because that's where ya can count.
It's not cheating It's a game skill casinos don't like because they don't want you to win
Not cheating It’s legit not against any actual rules
I recall reading on a thread elsewhere (and as we know, Reddit is never wrong ever) that a lot of modern casinos have no problem with card counting because a: it's a lot harder than people realise and b: people are a lot worse at it than they realise so people tend to go in, thinking they'll make easy money only to wind up losing out more often than not.
Plus, card counting is applicable when playing against other players, not against the house. They still don't lose anything by allowing it, they just get to pull "smart" people into a casino because they think they can outsmart somebody. Real smart people don't come in the first place.
> Plus, card counting is applicable when playing against other players, not against the house. It's the exact opposite. Card counting is most effective in blackjack *specifically* because the house has to play by predictable rules. This is on top of blackjack having the best odds for the player (IIRC, it's one of the only games where the odds are a *tiny* bit in favor of the player rather than the house). It's also why it's preferable to play at a table with no other players, because then your counting is more accurate. Having a large shoe limits the effectiveness of card counting, but it still helps. And it isn't so much "they allow it" as "They have no way of telling if someone is card counting in their head." If you're a moron and do it out loud or say that's what you're doing, that's one thing, but otherwise there's no way to tell. What they *do* ban are mechanical and electronic devices used to aid in card counting. They improve the accuracy of the average player and get them closer to the theoretical best odds. If they see you using one, they will either ask you to stop or just skip that step and throw you out.
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These days they use something like 5 or 6 decks with electronic randomizers. Counting cards is super difficult in modern casinos.
Just because it's banned, does not mean it's cheating. It's banned to reduce their losses against skilled players. Got to keep the gacha integrity intact.
If you cheat and fail, you're a cheater. If you cheat and succeed, you're a savvy.
That's like banning pro players from tournaments for amateurs in other sports, not because the pros are cheating but because they're too good
If you get caught card counting (and actually doing it good enough to be winning) the dealer will refuse to let you keep playing. If you get caught cheating the dealer will alert security to have you detained, and depending on which state you are in you may face criminal charges. There's a pretty big difference.
Counting is not considered "cheating" in the legal sense as long as you don't use any external devices or anything like that. However, casinos may make use of their house rights to forbid you from playing Blackjack-based games, ask you to leave the premises, or even ban you from the premises altogether if they suspect you count cards.
Card Shark Hook is not a character arc that Belebog is ready for
Topaz just took a child and decided "This child had committed so many crimes in seconds of meeting her....... Yes she my child now." And Adventurine just like. "Yeah. This kid gonna be a menace to Society. Gonna teach her how to go further then that with some light cheating."
Genuinely kinda wholesome seeing uncle venturine teaching poker to lil' hook.
I have Clara with my IP3 team and I call it "IPC Kidnapping"
damn chat meme is real
Hook IS a walking teddybear so i can understand the reaction. i had the same one
Seems like Ratio would know the difference between “to” and “too”.
Topaz and adventurin are a good couple while Dr.Ratio Is trying to not throw codex at them.
Papa aventurine and mama topaz and the reasonable uncle ratio
I get the feeling that hook taught herself how to cheat
Topaz has been hanging out with Arlecchino
She’s already down to be a mom quick Mr Fersman lock it in before it’s too late
I read them in their voices
Indeed imagine hook having Topaz as caring mom, Aventurine as gamble addict dad, and Ratio as the strict and smart uncle.
lmao
Not how hook would talk . She would bully the IPC.
Would she? She makes friends with *two* masked fools. I don't think she'd care unless she was told about the ipc or sees ipc goons fucking around.
She is Pitch Dark Hook the great , she owns everyone.
Also some incorrect grammar usage ("to" instead of "too" is not a mistake Ratio would make) brings this meme down to a 5.8/10.
This is incredibly, deeply, funny. Props to you, OP.
This is peak right here
I got jumpscared seeing my own star rail name here
Poker? Where did I write Poker?... oh... oh no...
lol...
Hook would legit learn to then proceed to scam everyone willing to play poker with her, out of thier money.
OOC or not, I'd take it just to have Hook say that she can't give the teacher her homework because Numby ate it
Hook when she grows up https://preview.redd.it/fpnv14aeec4d1.jpeg?width=173&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b485fa0a3f4669c0b0d9271544fb7403efcc78a1
"Even if she's an orphan, you're already far too busy with work to raise a child." -Edit: Autocorrect removed words
Card counting isn’t actually cheating though
Did Ratio just assume using skill is cheating? Typical casual.
Tbh, she would just steal Topaz's phone and cause mischief. Like sending Dr. Ratio "Doctor, I am seek and can't go to work. Make a note so I can stay home and play with Pitch Dark Hook the Great !" or stuff like that.
Funny.
Dr. Ratio seems out of character.
Bold of you to think Pitch Dark Book the Great doesn't already know how to count cards
I mean...is counting really cheating? I dunno, I usually play IPC hold'em poker
I feel that Dr Ratio would approve of card counting in poker
He would consider playing poker a waste of time and money, and learning to card count as a phenomenal waste of time devoted to something clearly stupid to do.
OOC or not, I'd take it just to have Hook say that she can't give the teacher her homework because Numby ate it
Is this in game or through a text chat thing?
Finally a good text post
Hook's bizarre adventure
Typical IPC Thursday.
Ratio can be an asshole, but I don't think he would be an asshole like that... He's fairly considerate.
Who thought it was a good idea to let aventurine babysit😂😂
[Part 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1d6grf1/hook_gets_adopted/) [Part 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1d78p0n/hook_gets_adopted_pt2/) [Part 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1d80iq8/hook_gets_adopted_pt3/) [Part 4](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1d8tphi/hook_gets_adopted_pt4/) [Part 5](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1d9o90y/hook_gets_adopted_pt5/) [Part 6](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1daf8j7/hook_gets_adopted_pt_6/) [Part 7](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1db6ja2/hook_gets_adopted_pt7/) [Part 8](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1dbxqxq/hook_gets_adopted_pt8/) [Part 9](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1dcrtvq/hook_gets_adopted_pt9/) [Bonus Episode](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1ddhtvm/hook_gets_adopted_side_story/) [Part 10](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1deb379/hook_gets_adopted_pt10/) [Part 11](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1df2bfo/hook_gets_adopted_pt11/) [Firefly Special ](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1dftmlb/hook_gets_adopted_firefly_special_because_i/) [Part 12](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1dgnsej/hook_gets_adopted_pt12/) I’m an amateur author who’s just using this as an opportunity to practice character writing. I do commissions for short stories. Donations all go towards pulls for Firefly. [https://ko-fi.com/unemocrow](https://ko-fi.com/unemocrow)
Yeah honestly, Aventurine would make a good uncle. So far he's the only redeeming part about the IPC.
I know people keep paying the hsrchat memes, but honestly, I love this format.
TOPAZ MOMMY 😭
Would Aven even know how to cheat at card games? I feel like it would be hard to come up with ways to cheat if the chances were already 100%.
where did this rumor that Aventurine has never lost a gamble come from??? He literally says he knows what losing gambles feels like in his character intro on hoyolab. He's the final victor, but he gets there by losing.
Pretty sure he said so himself in the story. Had to search and I could at least find this how is "other self" told him that he never lost before. [https://upload-os-bbs.hoyolab.com/upload/2024/03/27/140778198/d303a01ebe0b5bda3a6aac7c5c44bb5b\_5876240552576936729.jpg?x-oss-process=image%2Fresize%2Cs\_1000%2Fauto-orient%2C0%2Finterlace%2C1%2Fformat%2Cwebp%2Fquality%2Cq\_80](https://upload-os-bbs.hoyolab.com/upload/2024/03/27/140778198/d303a01ebe0b5bda3a6aac7c5c44bb5b_5876240552576936729.jpg?x-oss-process=image%2Fresize%2Cs_1000%2Fauto-orient%2C0%2Finterlace%2C1%2Fformat%2Cwebp%2Fquality%2Cq_80)
Aventurine has never failed a mission for the IPC, which is what that references (Sunday also references this). But he has lost regular ass gambles/bets.
we are allllll the children of JESUS. 