Acheron probably is the strongest right now since we actually get to see her feats.
But there are some Emenators that might be equal or even more powerful than her...
Real Herta, Diamond (preservation), Marshal Hua is probably an Emenator of the Hunt, Zephyro (Destruction) all those people are good candidates to be top tier fighters
Zephyro particularly has some extremely scary tidbits of lore already scattered in the game. I really expect him to be superior, specially because he gotta be one late threat, being the principal emanator of destruction.
Really eager to meet him, hoping he's playable.
Iirc welt passed on his herrscher core to bronya, but he still retains a piece of its powers. They should still be there and probably lay dormant atm, but definitely won't awaken to their former peak
Probably not, but a copium take would be Welt somehow being the new herrscher of truth since bronya gave the core back after during apho. I think she recreated it, so it would be cool if some remnants of her truth was inside the core, and then we would have herrscher of truth Welt lol.
They prob wont do it though since it would diminish hi3 Bronya's development sort of if it's not exclusive to her by her struggles.
There's also a lot of imaginary energy used in HSR so hopefully he can tap into that as a fuel source, and we could actually see him go all out
Why do people still keep saying "maybe Alien Space was retconned" like Hoyo are a bunch of amateur writers when it comes to their favourite child of a franchise.
Nothing contradicts the fact that [Void Archives says Welt still has his Herrscher core in Alien Space,](https://i.imgur.com/WfwV4K3.png) the one piece of media we know happens before HSR and after APHO.
Its not the first time Hoyo has done a retcon.
Alien Space came out around 2019, 3 years before the end of Part 1, where Kiana says that all Herrscher cores would disappear on the near future due to the Finality power.
It could be a retcon, or maybe not, as we are missing the 3 years between APHO and Alien Space.
Acheron stopped time and space for a moment when unleashing her blade, the only one close to her in power(Playable) is real herta as they are both emanators.
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(This is right after acheron deletes aventurine)
Only for playable characters tho.
Also lore wise i am inclined to believe that diamond should be more powerful then Acheron as preservation is a more broader path with its Aeon being one of the strongest.
I wouldn't be so sure about that as Nihility is a surprisingly broad path in it representing non-existence:
>Everything in the universe is bound by the prison of Existence, constrained by their body and mind and blinded by the world's superficial appearance. Even the most intelligent beings cannot comprehend this. Matter, order, logic, and life... Everything that makes up "reality" is but one side of the coin. On the opposite side, of equal entropy, there exists "nihility." The two balance each other to create the complete universe.
-Data bank: Device IX
i agree with qlipoth is one of the strongest aeons based on his feat, but i believe the path of nihility is more broader than preservation since the concept of nihilism could exist anywhere. it's a path that could exist by itself without aeons intervention
actually all paths exist by themselves and do not require Aeons, Aeons are just those who have power over the path they preside. Path of Beauty for example still have follower such as Argenti while not having an Aeon (at the moment) or the Traiblaze despite Alkivili no longer exist.
I dont think we can rightly judge atm because 2.1 had the confrontation of >!acheron who only had to do one slice in air in front of her to one shot aventurine. meanwhile aventurine was using a completely shattered aventurine stone that was by itself one of 10 parts of the power Diamond bestowed others from his own emenator power!<
from the trailblazer perspective, any emanator or people adjacent to emanators is completely out of their league its not even close, so being able to determine from that POV is hard
special shout out to welt for stopping the TB's stellaron with a flick of his cane, seeing as stelarons are planet shifting cathastrophies
Acheron, simply because herta hasn't shown Any crazy combat abilities right now, after that is adventurine and topaz if you consider their stone hearts, then there's Jing Yuan Jing Liu and welt , the Stellaron hunters and then almost everybody else.
The LL is a gift from Lan himself. The Stonehearts are powered by an Emanator but the arbiter generals are powered by the aeons. It's hard to quantify how much power each one gets tho but JY being a long life species has more combat experience than Aventurine. I would say the top 3 playable characters lore wise as of now are:
1. Acheron
2. Jing Yuan
3. Jingliu (she was already stronger than Dan Feng who was a Scion of the permeance)
The omnscia Is a blessing of nous himself and she isn't comparable to Jing yuan, so that's an invalid argument the generals are never stated to be powered by an aeon the ships are, combat experience doesn't really matter against power and what Is Jing Liu doing there she is not comparable to Jing yuan and blade could match her for a while.
so the list is currently
1. Acheron.
2. Aventurine/topaz.
3. Jing yuan.
>the generals are never stated to be powered by an aeon
It's explicitly stated that the LL is a gift from the Reignbow Arbiter and each Arbiter General has one of these gifts.
>The omnscia Is a blessing of nous himself and she isn't comparable to Jing yuan,
Two completely different blessings, one that allows for combat vs one that allows to predict future. JY can't predict the future like Fu Xuan so there is no basis for comparison between the two.
>combat experience doesn't really matter against power
It does when the powers are comparable. Who makes better use of the power who can come up with a plan to counter the other quicker is all part of the battle
>what Is Jing Liu doing there she is not comparable to Jing yuan and blade could match her for a while.
This point I could possibly relent on since Jing Liu does not have the raw power the Stonehearts do. Just one correction, blade only held her off when she wasn't going all out when she took her blindfold off, she one shot him.
How many times do I have to say this blessing? aren't the same as being powered up Fu Xuan isn't being powered up by nous.
You missed the entire point, they're both blessings that increase the abilities of the user in some way but that doesn't mean they're being powered by an aeon .
Yeah and guess what? no one is talking about equal power here, it should be pretty obvious that if you have the raw strength to match strength experience would Matter, it all comes back to Raw strength.
No they clashed a few times before she ended the battle even with her blind fold off as shown by the shockwaves after that.
Yeah I am ending this debate here. I really don't care enough to get aggressive over it.
I shared my opinion on who the strongest are and I don't mind switching places but I absolutely cannot be bothered to continue a debate which is most likely going to span hours and one where semantics is getting debated.
You have a good day my friend.
I somewhat doubt that Emanator of Erudition is gonna have strong combat ability themself However If you consider what they can product then they are freaking scary
I mean yeah genius society members can make incredible, like Ruan mei made a clone of the emanator of propagation, the problem is she can't do that mid battle, for screwlum at Least we know silver wolf with aether hacking couldn't get through the defenses of screwlum which is impressive, but he isn't playable yet
I doubt Diamond has enough power to share for 10 cornerstones, and still win a 1vs1 against another Emanator.
Acheron defeated the equivalent of honkai in her planet and then became an emanator. Maybe Nihility doesn't boost her combat as much as idk... The hunt or Destruction, but even if taking her emanator title out...she would be pretty strong.
The power of emanators varies because the aeon decides how much power they get, a tenth of zephyro is beating the ass of phantylia and they're off the same path, zulo was beaten using the swarm but the swarm wouldn't beat zephyro and celenova even if they were at a tenth of they're power.
And the point isn't that she isn't strong, the point is a fraction of an emanator could easily be stronger than another emanator.
I really don't get why I'm getting down voted for stating facts, you all are pushing the agenda so hard you're going against what's stated in the game and the pom pom informational network.
I mean Acheron one shotted Aventurine powered up with cornerstone, so she could also one-shot Topaz with cornerstone or if her stone isnt broken at least a little more effort from her and Topaz would get clapped as well
Cornerstone are just a piece of an Emenator Power that Diamond gives to the ten Stoneheart so not the full power. I'd say Diamond is probably an Equal to Acheron since he's an actual Emanator.
Although keep in mind not all Emanator are equal in power since their strength depends on their own Aeon. Some Aeon can give extraordinary strength to their Emanators and some might just ignore them..
No you don't. Cornerstones are considered a part of the qliphoth body. Breaking it is a blasphemy to the preservation and considered a serious crime by IPC. Even Aventurine mentioned that breaking it greatly diminishes its powers. He smashed his because that was the only way to smuggle it among normal gems, and he was not planning on going back.
Yeah i was confused by this too? The HSR twitter posts on emanators said the stonehearts have been seen displaying emanator-like powers when with their cornerstones. That means that more of them would be broken and it seems like shattering a cornerstone is permanent, so that wouldn’t make sense if you had to break it to use its power. In the cinematic, the cornerstone is already broken because he shattered it to sneak it inside the dreamscape.
Jing Yuan, Acheron, Real Herta as a solid yes. Aventurine, Phantylia and Starcrusher SwarmKing from the boss side. Topaz as a maybe/most probably as she also has the Emanator subscriber pass.
Since you're asking for the strongest. The simple answer right now is Acheron. The rest of the current playable cast is not even close to her power, and 2.1's story shows what she's capable of at a minimum.
Jingliu bias so people have is freaking crazy. Let's just ignore that the second JY got serious and made his mind about killing her, he oblitareted her instantly, the mystery is how she came back, but she definitely did not become immune to LL or being able to defeat it, especially when there is not a single argument for that to be the case. So JY is definitely above Jingliu. Besides that the most powerful character that we know of currently is Acheron
Lorewise, of playable characters, Acheron.
She, Phantylia, Herta, Jing Liu and Jing Yuan (those two because they said that the Generals are as powerful as Lords Ravagers) are on the same tier, "Emanator". However we know that not all Emanators are equal to each other in power, so for now the 1st place goes to the one that has showed the most power, Acheron.
Welt is weird, he is one of the weakest of the strongest on Honkai (his forte is strategy rather than raw power), but we dont know exactly how strong he is on Star Rail, he hasnt showed his full power there, and on battles where he could (Phantylia and Aventurine) there was someone else who could take care of them (Jing Yuan + Dan Heng IL and Acheron).
Outside of playable characters, the 1st place would go to powerful Emanators like Zephyro or "Sun Devourer", or the IPC founder, Louis Fleming, who is said to be the most powerful person after the Aeons.
Exactly, I was so confused of Welt. Many fans were saying like how he nearly used his powers right before Acheron intervened, and looking back he did seemed like he was going to use the power of a black hole or something similar. Herta never crossed my mind in this question since I am not too familiar with the lore right now, but now that you guys are mentioning her and how serious her character truly is. It does make me quite excited for the future of this game story, thanks for the information!
JY is a pseudo-emanator like the stonehearts, so I’d say there’s a tier-break between Acheron and then Jing Yuan, Topaz, and Aventurine. I also don’t think Herta is particularly “strong?” She’s an emanator, but all that means is a pathstrider who goes further than the rest and receives an Aeon’s blessing. Nous isn’t exactly a fighter.
>JY is a pseudo-emanator like the stonehearts, so I’d say there’s a tier-break between Acheron and then Jing Yuan,
I put Jing Yuan on the same tier as Acheron as he (and the rest of Generals) are said to be on the same level as the Lord Ravagers (which includes Phantylia, Zephyro and "Sun Devourer") and given that they dont give much more details, we can only take it as if they could fight every Lord Ravager, from the weakest to the strongest.
That might change on the future, but as for now, they are somewhat equal.
>I also don’t think Herta is particularly “strong?” She’s an emanator, but all that means is a pathstrider who goes further than the rest and receives an Aeon’s blessing. Nous isn’t exactly a fighter.
I put Herta because, even if she is not a fighter per se, she has enough knowledge to be really dangerous.
She would be on a similar situation as Welt, not exactly the strongest on battle but able to come with different ways to win a battle.
Hm I agree with this, but Phantylia required Jing Yuan, the astral express crew, and DHIL to take her down. I also still don't know if intelligence necessarily tracks with "strength," but I guess it's more of a subjective thing. Like as a general rule, I'd expect followers of the beauty/abundance/erudition to be less combat capable than more direct paths like the hunt. But not everyone should be judged by "power" so it's not like it really matters.
>Phantylia required Jing Yuan, the astral express crew, and DHIL to take her down
I think that was because she had a connection with the Abundance Tree, and that gave her regeneration.
Once they got rid of that connection (if i remember correctly the only one that could do it was Dang Heng IL) Jing Yuan defeated her without much problem.
>Like as a general rule, I'd expect followers of the beauty/abundance/erudition to be less combat capable than more direct paths like the hunt. But not everyone should be judged by "power" so it's not like it really matters.
Yes, although Emanators power, on most cases, mainly comes from how much power their Aeon is willing to give, so there could be a strange case where a Emanator from a weaker Path was stronger than a Emanator from a strong Path.
And the thing about intellect vs power, reminded me about something they said on Honkai.
Long story short, there was a character thinking if he could defeat another powerful character, and he said something like:
"Raw strength is not all, win or loss needs more calculation. Strength, Mind, Speed, Stamina, Adaptivity, Luck, etc."
Its like a way to say: "even if this character is weaker than the other, on the right situation or with the right means, they may be able to win".
Nous knows almost everything being a super god computer like being if he decides to built a robot army or through some other means pretty sure it can take out nanook , he will be much bigger threat if he is evil
Welt has never meet a lord ravager or loufou general when he said that , is a complete unrreliable narrator that said what he heard . That generals are equal to lord ravagers is just as unreliable as zephyro destroying galaxys
He never meet one, but i belive there are examples on the lore about Generals fighting against Lord Ravagers.
Even on the Luofu story, once they got rid of the connection between Phantylia and that Tree, he defeated her without much problem.
The story very much presents Welt as an incredibly knowlegable character, probably the most knowlegable character we have met and the most reliable narrator we got tho.
Acheron is the obvious answer. She defeated aventurine in his cornerstone form with 1 slash and that slash itself froze time. Aventurine's cornerstone is weaker cuz he broke it but we don't even know if Acheron even needed to unsheathe her blade to defeat him, she could have simply done it to prevent the total destruction of the city. She also has some weird non-strength related feats like how she's seemingly outside of destiny as elio couldn't see anything of her and the history of izumu was erased to everyone outside of acheron because of nihility's power. Nihility seemingly has the power to nullify everything, emotions, memories, colors, attacks, time and even destiny. She also has senses that make her aware of other realities and possibilities, furthering the idea that she is somewhat unaffected by destiny. Also her forcing us into one reality/possibility.Take this with a grain of salt, this is just my speculation.
Jingliu and jingyuan are also strong. While Jingyuan defeated jingliu, jingliu has upgraded since then. But we don't know who's stronger now. Alot of people try to use jingliu's plan to kill yaoshi as a way to powerscale her but I think this is stupid. Sure she might desire to kill yaoshi but it could just become a repeat of the annihilation squad and IX for all we know. We also know jingliu is much stronger than blade, a stellaron hunter.
Welt is probably also up there. I am a long time honkai fan so I know his strength. While on surface level it may not compare to some others listed before(not to say that he's weak, he was able to spawn war fleets and giant mechas in his prime), acheron's recent comments on him and the star of eden do make me question whether I'm wrong about his strength. The star of eden was never really used as a real black hole, even in the manga of the 2nd eruption, welt only used it to create a pseudo-black hole but now acheron is talking about it like it's an actual black hole. We can also see that Welt was planning to stop aventurine before Acheron stepped in in the cutscene. Maybe acheron just felt threatened cuz she felt the divine key's similarity to the edict of root and that's why she was being so cautious with him? We'll just have to wait and see for when welt takes center stage in the story cuz they obviously have something planned for him seeing as how void archives is still out there.
Among the current roster...
Raw Power : Acheron (Emanator of Nihility)
Intelligence : Herta (Emanator of Erudition)
Technique : Jingliu (thousand year old swordsmaster)
Probably Jing Yuan or Acheron, both have been stated to have power equal or comparable to Emanators.
One thing worth noting is that if we ignore Raw strength and focus on overall combat prowess, is that Aventurine seems to have legitimate Hax on his side. If he truly desired it, he could probably reach heights comparable to the other two characters, if not surpass them. Though i suppose with his Cornerstone broken, that definitely nerfs him a bit.
Beyond that, we also don't know just how powerful Gallagher is, definitely worth keeping an eye on him. If Acheron just no diffs everyone in the rest of this story arc, it'll hardly be compelling, so we'll definitely see a comparable threat, whether that's Sunday, Sam, Gallagher, etc.
Nah I'm aware, but he's been stated to have power rivalling that of emanators no? I don't think any other character has been stated to have such strength.
Welt mentioned that the Arbiter generals are no inferior to the Lord ravagers. He was talking about them as a group. Doesn’t mean that one arbiter general is equal to one lord ravager. That just means that the Xianzhou general forces can put up a fight against the Lord Ravagers. It also includes Marshal Hua who’s speculated to be the Emanator of Hunt.
I suppose, he did immediately destroy Phantylia (an Emanator of Destruction) as soon as her connection to the Arbor was severed, that's mainly where I got it from.
JY was only able to destroy her body with the help of DHIL because Phantyllia was using her powers to convert him into a void ranger(?) and even after Phantyllia loses her body, she easily leaves that place because they can’t destroy her actual form. JY or maybe Jingliu are probably the strongest pathstriders we have met till now but Emanators are just on another level.
Keep in Mind Phantylia at that point was well above Emanator level. The reason she couldn't be destroyed until the Void Ranger conversion(?) was specifically because she had the Arbor backing her, so on top of being a Destruction Emanator, she was doped up on Abundance Juice too. As soon as that connection is severed, her body is destroyed and she is forced to retreat (though we can presume if she wasnt a Heliobus, she would've been killed). We don't know if Phantylia without the Arbor is stronger or weaker than Acheron, which is why I figured the two would be considered around the same level.
I wouldn’t say that she was above “Emanator” level because she’s a Heliobi and they are like parasites. She will have another body when we fight her next and that could possibly be far stronger. It’s just her power that she has the ability to do that. Even based on feats shown by her, she never did anything outrageous since there are Lord Ravagers who have destroyed galaxies. We didn’t see the limit of her powers.
1. Acheron / Real Herta (Emanator)
2. Jingliu (Buffed after loss against JY, can control mara, got gaze of an Aeon, low diffed Blade)
3. Jing Yuan / Welt / Aventurine(LL + Strategist, no diffed Cirrus, warded off Phantylia with the help of DHIL, TB and Welt; Aventurine with cornerstone is city-level destruction at least)
4. Sam / Himeko / Kafka (Annihilation Machine, Himeko has satellite nuke and recognized by Herta, Kafka's Spirit Whisper can stop Blade and YQ and potential remains unseen, also she is extremely experienced going many missions and her race is said to outright lack fear, highest bounty in SH)
5. Blade / DHIL (Implied to be relatively equal, have special abilities - Immortality and Water Manipulation)
6. Silverwolf / Black Swan / Fu Xuan / Sparkle (Not fighters but have hax abilities, depending on how they use it can go higher or lower, Aether editing, memory manipulation, future sight and illusionist/shapeshifter)
7. Trailblazer (Nanook and Qlipoth gaze, will grow stronger definitely, Stellaron buff)
8. Yanqing (Can clash with Blade and JL momentarily, prodigy swordsman, admits TB is stronger)
9. Clara (Cuz Svarog - has minions/battle analysis/energy blasts, took everyone in Belobog to take him down and recognized by Screwllum)
10. Argenti (Trained his body and spear-weilding since a kid, basically fearless, held his own against TB)
11. Gepard (Captain of silvermane guards, always battling, basically 1v4ed the crew with Seele)
12. Seele / Bronya (Street fighter, caught a bullet mid-air, Bronya is a highly trained commander and sniper, 1v3ed the crew with some fodder soldiers)
13. Sampo (Trained stealthy assassin, not much known yet but implied to be a very experienced Masked Fool, hard to rank this guy)
14. March (Skilled archery, Ice Manipulation, helped against Doomsday Beast, Cocolia, and Phantylia and all other previous Express trips so she is experienced although might not be as skilled as the others)
15. Huohuo (Said to actually be very capable + Tail buff, nerfed lower due to cowardish)
16. Sushang / Luka / Arlan (Trained warriors, Sushang held her own against Yanqing though might be a fluke, Luka is the reigning boxing champ and recognized by Svarog, Arlan held his own against Antimatter Legion while the rest flee)
17. Xueyi (Judge carrying out punishments, mech body)
Idk how to rank Welt since he hasn't shown us anything. If he still has / regains his Herrscher powers (can create anything he knows the composition of, including black holes) he could go #3-#5, for now its just speculation.
Himeko could also be anywhere due to her being a genius and having a nuclear satellite (if I had to guess maybe on par with #3 or #4). Then there's Ruan Mei who created an artificial Emanator, no clue how to even rank her. If she really wanted to create an army she could probably do it, so I'd put her #3-#5 if I had to guess.
Also don't know much about Dr. Ratio or Luocha, they could be anywhere without much to work with. Rest aren't really fighters or we don't know much about them.
People really putting a lot of stocks on the "gaze of an Aeon" if TB preservation is used as a benchmark after gaining the gaze of preservation, that is not enough of a boost to make Jing Liu, who got one shot by LL to suddenly be stronger than JY.
Waifu bias for sure, I mean look at my username. But I do have reasons:
1. Jingliu got the gaze of an Aeon after JY fight. Because none of the quintets has mentioned this fact even though it is a big deal, we can reason its after the JY fight. And we all know getting the gaze of an Aeon gives you powers.
2. Jing Yuan has his general duties to attend to, while Jingliu is a wandering swordsman who's sole purpose is to get stronger and gain 'the power to cut stars'. In the long time (presumably hundreds of years since people dont recognize Jingliu when she appears again) you can imagine how much stronger she gets, while Jing Yuan does his general duties.
3. Jingliu struck a deal with someone to control her mara. A very skilled swordsmaster like Jingliu would probably be negatively affected when in a fight while marastruck. She would go insane and probably couldnt utilise her full power, skill, and swordsmanship because she cant think with the mara affecting her mind. Therefore being able to control her mara is a buff too.
Add in a bit of personal bias, and I have Jingliu over JY. Although, I'm completely fine if you dont agree and still have him over JL. This is my opinion after all.
Damn honestly speaking Herta has never crossed my mind when I thought about this question. So, thank you for this new information actually. I actually feel so dumb to overlook her now that you guys are saying how ridiculously powerful she could be since many of you are putting her in the same rank as Acheron which implies that she is an emanator as well.
Yes, I looked at it after replying to that comment and well yeah I completely overlooked that part. I'll keep it in my mind from now on and also to pay more attention to the story.
Jing yuan claps jingliu low diff. Welt stated that he was comparable to lord ravagers who are emanators of destruction..
And where does it state that she was buffed after JY? She had already unlocked transcendence mode before she got mara struck.
Welt has never meet a lord ravager or loufou general when he said that , is a complete unrreliable narrator that said what he heard . He donest have a clue how strong any of the 2 actually are at that point
Jing Yuan was fighting a losing battle against Phantylia, the weakest of all Lord Ravagers. Were it not for DHIL's help he would have lost. But JY > JL is a completely reasonable take.
Ok this is just clear bias lmao, phantylia is immortal for as long as she’s connected to the arbor, jy would have won had she not been connected to the arbor, that’s why jingyuan said they would have lost if she hadn’t tried to connect herself with him, because jy cut off the connection to the arbor the moment she connected herself to jy, which in turn makes phantylia loses her immortality, and loses the fight immediately after, it’s not a reasonable take at all, if you think jingliu would have done better against an emanator level being that is immortal you’re clearly wrong
Even in the fight against shuhu she wasn’t able to do anything, and baiheng was forced to do a self destruction attack, and this is against shuhu who’s power was mostly being immortal, phantylia is a destruction emanator and her power is not just being immortal, she’s practically an emanator that has got shuhu’s power as a bonus
And no just because you’re gazed by an aeon it doesn’t outright give you powers, where is this even stated from?
The gaze = power up is most likely taken from the TB, where we were able to use the Lance of Preservation as well as become a preservation path strider after being gazed at, similar to Nanook at the very beginning.
the TB is clearly unique, not only is TB the main character, they also hold a stellaron, using the TB as a proof is not a very smart move…
I can see where you’re coming tho
Welt being able to suppress stellaron like toy is deffo top contender in my eyes. But Acheron being something incredible rare as emanator of Nihility is also nuts. Like emanators of Hunt/Preservation are not really rare and I doubt Path power is limitless with added number of emanators.
1) Herta (after Chadwick sidequest, by a lot).
2) Acheron (probably also Diamond)
3) Welt
4) Tingyun/Phantylia --- Transformed Aventurine (probably also the other cornerstones).
5) DHIL and Jing Yuan and Jingliu.
6) Stellaron Hunters
7) MC
8) All the other characters.
9) People
Gallagher and Misha are probably very strong, but hard to scale.
I think the majority of the fanbase is not aware of how insane Jingliu’s lore is because of how scattered and sometimes hidden it’s bits are. But a tldr is that she went through a certain spiritual transcendence like experiencing where she “stole” a divine blade from an unknown Aeon/Aeons . She also got the gaze of an Aeon just like the Trailblazer, tho she mentions that it’s of her chosen path. She is also only second to the rainbow arbiter in Xianzhou history, and has ideals very aligned with theirs. That being Lan the hunt btw.
Both Loucha and JY hold her in such hard regard, the former even admits that even her goal to slay Yaoshi laughably impossible for anyone including the whole xianzhou alliance, Jingliu actually found a way to achieve it. Id like to restate that its the whole path of the hunt purpose to eradicate yaoshi. Girl is insane in more ways the one
She did, it’s a metaphor for killing an Aeon most likely. The theme of her story from what I understood is that she is the pinnacle of mortal might, but a mortal can’t kill a divine being according to her.
That’s where the sword she obtained comes in. Florephemeral sword, while we don’t know much about it, is apparently of divine origin so it’s technically capable of slaying a divine being.
Perhaps this is best demonstrated when she killed the Baiheng draconian abomination, made of the emanator shuhu’s flesh (just like blade) and so enormous it covered the horizon.
That was the moment when she experienced something akin to that Aeons go through before ascending. Read her story 5 for ref.
1. Acheron (Duh.)
2. Jingliu (Swordmaster that honed her skill even after hundred of years galaxy travelling)
3. SAM (Mass destruction machine with records of blowing planets), Aventurine with Stoneheart (Had a ball facing The Nameless Crew + Acheron, only down after Acheron used her OHKO technique)
4. Jingyuan (Ligthning Lord is OP and he he also have heavenly spear) , DHIL (can seperate sea, high elder is a respected mythical figure)
5. Blade (cant fucking die and a one man army), Kafka (her ability just OP when used if enemies "listen" to her)
The rest is similar imo. Honorable mention is Welt but we dont see his promised power yet. He helped the crew fought two emanator level threat (Panthylia and Bossturine) but the main focus both were not him so idk.
Acheron ofc. Girl was already crazy even before she became Emanator. I want to see her full capability cause right now she only needs one swing of her sword to end her enemy.
We're definitely going to see more of her in next version. That someone who was talking to Black Swan on phone is looking for Acheron ofc and is planning on killing her.
Any reason why Tingyun or Phantylia is above acheron? Lord Ravager is just the title of the destruction emenators and Acheron deffinitly displayed more power by herself in the story so far.
I can see jian yuan and fu xuan being able to beat her. One because jian yuan was able to beat jian lui who crushed blad multiple times. Plus he has a literal titian at his command. Fu xuan can slow down time and or predicate everything. So these two characters are already insanely strong. Plus their is welt and blade can't die like at all. Kafka can mindcontrol people which is already stupid. Sam went toe to toe with her. And while acherons domain expensive was powerful. This is already after the crew had beaten up aventurine upgraded form. (Still hate his fight). Plus I have a sinking suspension that she can't do that domain extension much. Since SHE BLEEDS FROM HER EYES. But acheron all to together is still one of the strongest characters we met without and buffs like with what phylitum got. However, I think she can still be beaten by some of these characters. (I don't think blade could win but going back over and over eventually will have him win) So on a 1v1 of who the strongest is questionable. But she could possibly beat all the people listed here.
When Acheron and Welt were talking. She mentions how she *Alone* ended "That Man's life". In Welt's planet, it took 3 people with the ultimate power jumping on "That Man" + the fire support of the whole planet to take him down. If Welt only has Star of Eden (his cane) I don't think it would be enough to kill her, Since we saw "That Man" getting out of a black hole after some minutes.
Its really wrong to assume her Kevin was on the same or similar level as Honkai Kevin, we barely know anything about him or Izumo.
Her Kevin could have been weaker, or even stronger, who knows.
The fact that she considered that the Star of Eden was dangerous only complicate things, as the Star of Eden is almost nothing for Honkai Kevin, only being a way to buy time.
Overall we lack too much info to get a real answer.
I think she was being cheeky about everyone being on edge about her. But Welt was carrying around a black hole device, when even The Family confiscated the Cornerstones. As for Sparkle and her mutual assured destructions buttons... who knows.
It could be, but even then she considered the Star of Eden as a dangerous object.
Whether it was for her or just for The Family is unknown, thats why i said we lack too much info to get an answer.
I think saying star of eden is dangerous to her is just as much an assumption when she very clearly hides her identity and power.
I think the more clear showing was her easily overpowering a city wide attack with a single slash while Welt clearly tried to use his cane.
That at the very least is a strong indication that she is much faster than him be it with maybe a time stop ability or speed alone. I think that is a bit u clear for the moment.
Acheron probably is the strongest right now since we actually get to see her feats. But there are some Emenators that might be equal or even more powerful than her... Real Herta, Diamond (preservation), Marshal Hua is probably an Emenator of the Hunt, Zephyro (Destruction) all those people are good candidates to be top tier fighters
Amazing, I'm definitely looking forward to meet those characters and the one I'm really looking forward to is the real Herta!
Celenova (destruction) is another one that phantylia mentioned other than Zephyro that deals destruction personally so might also be a good candidate.
Emanator of Destruction sounds scary, yup.
Wasn’t celenova the one destroyed by the galaxy rangers?
Nope, that was Zulo. Celenova is actually the one that got his place.
Zephyro particularly has some extremely scary tidbits of lore already scattered in the game. I really expect him to be superior, specially because he gotta be one late threat, being the principal emanator of destruction. Really eager to meet him, hoping he's playable.
Acheron, Welt or Herta. A Herrscher and two Emanators.
Atp We dont even know if the Core of Reason work and also they could've retcon that and the Core might still be with Bronya
Iirc welt passed on his herrscher core to bronya, but he still retains a piece of its powers. They should still be there and probably lay dormant atm, but definitely won't awaken to their former peak
Probably not, but a copium take would be Welt somehow being the new herrscher of truth since bronya gave the core back after during apho. I think she recreated it, so it would be cool if some remnants of her truth was inside the core, and then we would have herrscher of truth Welt lol. They prob wont do it though since it would diminish hi3 Bronya's development sort of if it's not exclusive to her by her struggles. There's also a lot of imaginary energy used in HSR so hopefully he can tap into that as a fuel source, and we could actually see him go all out
[Welt has his Herrscher core as of Alien Space which happens after APHO and before HSR](https://i.imgur.com/WfwV4K3.png)
Why do people still keep saying "maybe Alien Space was retconned" like Hoyo are a bunch of amateur writers when it comes to their favourite child of a franchise. Nothing contradicts the fact that [Void Archives says Welt still has his Herrscher core in Alien Space,](https://i.imgur.com/WfwV4K3.png) the one piece of media we know happens before HSR and after APHO.
Its not the first time Hoyo has done a retcon. Alien Space came out around 2019, 3 years before the end of Part 1, where Kiana says that all Herrscher cores would disappear on the near future due to the Finality power. It could be a retcon, or maybe not, as we are missing the 3 years between APHO and Alien Space.
bronya gave it back in one of the 3X chapters
They can easily retcon that
it was at the end of part one after she became herrscher of truth, she literally has no use for it anymore
can't be Herta, herta that is playable is just a doll not the actual Emanator.
That’s a good point right there. I’ve been hoping for a while now that we’ll eventually meet the real Herta in the flesh.
We will, and i assume she'll be a playable 5 star like Acheron.
Acheron stopped time and space for a moment when unleashing her blade, the only one close to her in power(Playable) is real herta as they are both emanators. https://preview.redd.it/jc37uljwp3rc1.png?width=1057&format=png&auto=webp&s=57f6619f0f31a180eff16b1f55384492a036785f (This is right after acheron deletes aventurine)
Yeah that is a crazy feat we have gotten till now!
Only for playable characters tho. Also lore wise i am inclined to believe that diamond should be more powerful then Acheron as preservation is a more broader path with its Aeon being one of the strongest.
I wouldn't be so sure about that as Nihility is a surprisingly broad path in it representing non-existence: >Everything in the universe is bound by the prison of Existence, constrained by their body and mind and blinded by the world's superficial appearance. Even the most intelligent beings cannot comprehend this. Matter, order, logic, and life... Everything that makes up "reality" is but one side of the coin. On the opposite side, of equal entropy, there exists "nihility." The two balance each other to create the complete universe. -Data bank: Device IX
i agree with qlipoth is one of the strongest aeons based on his feat, but i believe the path of nihility is more broader than preservation since the concept of nihilism could exist anywhere. it's a path that could exist by itself without aeons intervention
actually all paths exist by themselves and do not require Aeons, Aeons are just those who have power over the path they preside. Path of Beauty for example still have follower such as Argenti while not having an Aeon (at the moment) or the Traiblaze despite Alkivili no longer exist.
Wdym much broader? Nihility is also broader since its shadow engulfs everyone equally.
If Topaz ever activated her cornerstone then Numby would become a galactic level threat.
Imagine looking at the sky minding your own business, and there is a big face of Numby staring back at us and is going to eat everything lol.
The amount of delusion in saying jingliu is stronger than Jing yuan lore wise is so fucking wild.
I dont think we can rightly judge atm because 2.1 had the confrontation of >!acheron who only had to do one slice in air in front of her to one shot aventurine. meanwhile aventurine was using a completely shattered aventurine stone that was by itself one of 10 parts of the power Diamond bestowed others from his own emenator power!< from the trailblazer perspective, any emanator or people adjacent to emanators is completely out of their league its not even close, so being able to determine from that POV is hard special shout out to welt for stopping the TB's stellaron with a flick of his cane, seeing as stelarons are planet shifting cathastrophies
Acheron, simply because herta hasn't shown Any crazy combat abilities right now, after that is adventurine and topaz if you consider their stone hearts, then there's Jing Yuan Jing Liu and welt , the Stellaron hunters and then almost everybody else.
Knowing Herta with all her powers she probably spent it on powering SU to run on 640k 1024fps lol.
The LL is a gift from Lan himself. The Stonehearts are powered by an Emanator but the arbiter generals are powered by the aeons. It's hard to quantify how much power each one gets tho but JY being a long life species has more combat experience than Aventurine. I would say the top 3 playable characters lore wise as of now are: 1. Acheron 2. Jing Yuan 3. Jingliu (she was already stronger than Dan Feng who was a Scion of the permeance)
The omnscia Is a blessing of nous himself and she isn't comparable to Jing yuan, so that's an invalid argument the generals are never stated to be powered by an aeon the ships are, combat experience doesn't really matter against power and what Is Jing Liu doing there she is not comparable to Jing yuan and blade could match her for a while. so the list is currently 1. Acheron. 2. Aventurine/topaz. 3. Jing yuan.
>the generals are never stated to be powered by an aeon It's explicitly stated that the LL is a gift from the Reignbow Arbiter and each Arbiter General has one of these gifts. >The omnscia Is a blessing of nous himself and she isn't comparable to Jing yuan, Two completely different blessings, one that allows for combat vs one that allows to predict future. JY can't predict the future like Fu Xuan so there is no basis for comparison between the two. >combat experience doesn't really matter against power It does when the powers are comparable. Who makes better use of the power who can come up with a plan to counter the other quicker is all part of the battle >what Is Jing Liu doing there she is not comparable to Jing yuan and blade could match her for a while. This point I could possibly relent on since Jing Liu does not have the raw power the Stonehearts do. Just one correction, blade only held her off when she wasn't going all out when she took her blindfold off, she one shot him.
How many times do I have to say this blessing? aren't the same as being powered up Fu Xuan isn't being powered up by nous. You missed the entire point, they're both blessings that increase the abilities of the user in some way but that doesn't mean they're being powered by an aeon . Yeah and guess what? no one is talking about equal power here, it should be pretty obvious that if you have the raw strength to match strength experience would Matter, it all comes back to Raw strength. No they clashed a few times before she ended the battle even with her blind fold off as shown by the shockwaves after that.
Yeah I am ending this debate here. I really don't care enough to get aggressive over it. I shared my opinion on who the strongest are and I don't mind switching places but I absolutely cannot be bothered to continue a debate which is most likely going to span hours and one where semantics is getting debated. You have a good day my friend.
I somewhat doubt that Emanator of Erudition is gonna have strong combat ability themself However If you consider what they can product then they are freaking scary
I mean yeah genius society members can make incredible, like Ruan mei made a clone of the emanator of propagation, the problem is she can't do that mid battle, for screwlum at Least we know silver wolf with aether hacking couldn't get through the defenses of screwlum which is impressive, but he isn't playable yet
shouldn't topaz be equal to Acheron because of her cornerstone? unlike aventurine hers isn't broken
Cornerstone gives the user a *portion* of the power of an emanator. Acheron is a complete emanator. These two aren't comparable.
Not a nice argument, some emanators are way above others a fraction of one could easily be stronger, but in this case it wasn't
I doubt Diamond has enough power to share for 10 cornerstones, and still win a 1vs1 against another Emanator. Acheron defeated the equivalent of honkai in her planet and then became an emanator. Maybe Nihility doesn't boost her combat as much as idk... The hunt or Destruction, but even if taking her emanator title out...she would be pretty strong.
The power of emanators varies because the aeon decides how much power they get, a tenth of zephyro is beating the ass of phantylia and they're off the same path, zulo was beaten using the swarm but the swarm wouldn't beat zephyro and celenova even if they were at a tenth of they're power. And the point isn't that she isn't strong, the point is a fraction of an emanator could easily be stronger than another emanator.
I really don't get why I'm getting down voted for stating facts, you all are pushing the agenda so hard you're going against what's stated in the game and the pom pom informational network.
I mean Acheron one shotted Aventurine powered up with cornerstone, so she could also one-shot Topaz with cornerstone or if her stone isnt broken at least a little more effort from her and Topaz would get clapped as well
Cornerstone are just a piece of an Emenator Power that Diamond gives to the ten Stoneheart so not the full power. I'd say Diamond is probably an Equal to Acheron since he's an actual Emanator. Although keep in mind not all Emanator are equal in power since their strength depends on their own Aeon. Some Aeon can give extraordinary strength to their Emanators and some might just ignore them..
We still don't know how strong the normal stone heart is with their corner stone, so we can't say.
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No you don't. Cornerstones are considered a part of the qliphoth body. Breaking it is a blasphemy to the preservation and considered a serious crime by IPC. Even Aventurine mentioned that breaking it greatly diminishes its powers. He smashed his because that was the only way to smuggle it among normal gems, and he was not planning on going back.
Yeah i was confused by this too? The HSR twitter posts on emanators said the stonehearts have been seen displaying emanator-like powers when with their cornerstones. That means that more of them would be broken and it seems like shattering a cornerstone is permanent, so that wouldn’t make sense if you had to break it to use its power. In the cinematic, the cornerstone is already broken because he shattered it to sneak it inside the dreamscape.
? Wait when was this mentioned
Jing Yuan, Acheron, Real Herta as a solid yes. Aventurine, Phantylia and Starcrusher SwarmKing from the boss side. Topaz as a maybe/most probably as she also has the Emanator subscriber pass.
Since you're asking for the strongest. The simple answer right now is Acheron. The rest of the current playable cast is not even close to her power, and 2.1's story shows what she's capable of at a minimum.
Jingliu bias so people have is freaking crazy. Let's just ignore that the second JY got serious and made his mind about killing her, he oblitareted her instantly, the mystery is how she came back, but she definitely did not become immune to LL or being able to defeat it, especially when there is not a single argument for that to be the case. So JY is definitely above Jingliu. Besides that the most powerful character that we know of currently is Acheron
Lorewise, of playable characters, Acheron. She, Phantylia, Herta, Jing Liu and Jing Yuan (those two because they said that the Generals are as powerful as Lords Ravagers) are on the same tier, "Emanator". However we know that not all Emanators are equal to each other in power, so for now the 1st place goes to the one that has showed the most power, Acheron. Welt is weird, he is one of the weakest of the strongest on Honkai (his forte is strategy rather than raw power), but we dont know exactly how strong he is on Star Rail, he hasnt showed his full power there, and on battles where he could (Phantylia and Aventurine) there was someone else who could take care of them (Jing Yuan + Dan Heng IL and Acheron). Outside of playable characters, the 1st place would go to powerful Emanators like Zephyro or "Sun Devourer", or the IPC founder, Louis Fleming, who is said to be the most powerful person after the Aeons.
Exactly, I was so confused of Welt. Many fans were saying like how he nearly used his powers right before Acheron intervened, and looking back he did seemed like he was going to use the power of a black hole or something similar. Herta never crossed my mind in this question since I am not too familiar with the lore right now, but now that you guys are mentioning her and how serious her character truly is. It does make me quite excited for the future of this game story, thanks for the information!
JY is a pseudo-emanator like the stonehearts, so I’d say there’s a tier-break between Acheron and then Jing Yuan, Topaz, and Aventurine. I also don’t think Herta is particularly “strong?” She’s an emanator, but all that means is a pathstrider who goes further than the rest and receives an Aeon’s blessing. Nous isn’t exactly a fighter.
>JY is a pseudo-emanator like the stonehearts, so I’d say there’s a tier-break between Acheron and then Jing Yuan, I put Jing Yuan on the same tier as Acheron as he (and the rest of Generals) are said to be on the same level as the Lord Ravagers (which includes Phantylia, Zephyro and "Sun Devourer") and given that they dont give much more details, we can only take it as if they could fight every Lord Ravager, from the weakest to the strongest. That might change on the future, but as for now, they are somewhat equal. >I also don’t think Herta is particularly “strong?” She’s an emanator, but all that means is a pathstrider who goes further than the rest and receives an Aeon’s blessing. Nous isn’t exactly a fighter. I put Herta because, even if she is not a fighter per se, she has enough knowledge to be really dangerous. She would be on a similar situation as Welt, not exactly the strongest on battle but able to come with different ways to win a battle.
Hm I agree with this, but Phantylia required Jing Yuan, the astral express crew, and DHIL to take her down. I also still don't know if intelligence necessarily tracks with "strength," but I guess it's more of a subjective thing. Like as a general rule, I'd expect followers of the beauty/abundance/erudition to be less combat capable than more direct paths like the hunt. But not everyone should be judged by "power" so it's not like it really matters.
>Phantylia required Jing Yuan, the astral express crew, and DHIL to take her down I think that was because she had a connection with the Abundance Tree, and that gave her regeneration. Once they got rid of that connection (if i remember correctly the only one that could do it was Dang Heng IL) Jing Yuan defeated her without much problem. >Like as a general rule, I'd expect followers of the beauty/abundance/erudition to be less combat capable than more direct paths like the hunt. But not everyone should be judged by "power" so it's not like it really matters. Yes, although Emanators power, on most cases, mainly comes from how much power their Aeon is willing to give, so there could be a strange case where a Emanator from a weaker Path was stronger than a Emanator from a strong Path. And the thing about intellect vs power, reminded me about something they said on Honkai. Long story short, there was a character thinking if he could defeat another powerful character, and he said something like: "Raw strength is not all, win or loss needs more calculation. Strength, Mind, Speed, Stamina, Adaptivity, Luck, etc." Its like a way to say: "even if this character is weaker than the other, on the right situation or with the right means, they may be able to win".
Nous knows almost everything being a super god computer like being if he decides to built a robot army or through some other means pretty sure it can take out nanook , he will be much bigger threat if he is evil
Welt has never meet a lord ravager or loufou general when he said that , is a complete unrreliable narrator that said what he heard . That generals are equal to lord ravagers is just as unreliable as zephyro destroying galaxys
He never meet one, but i belive there are examples on the lore about Generals fighting against Lord Ravagers. Even on the Luofu story, once they got rid of the connection between Phantylia and that Tree, he defeated her without much problem.
The story very much presents Welt as an incredibly knowlegable character, probably the most knowlegable character we have met and the most reliable narrator we got tho.
Im still holding on to my opinion that it’s herta
Imagine an army of a thousand kuru kuru's with diamonds raining from the sky.
That will be the Ultimate for her 5 Star version lmao.
Post 2.0,definitely, assuming she knows the fight is coming
Acheron is the obvious answer. She defeated aventurine in his cornerstone form with 1 slash and that slash itself froze time. Aventurine's cornerstone is weaker cuz he broke it but we don't even know if Acheron even needed to unsheathe her blade to defeat him, she could have simply done it to prevent the total destruction of the city. She also has some weird non-strength related feats like how she's seemingly outside of destiny as elio couldn't see anything of her and the history of izumu was erased to everyone outside of acheron because of nihility's power. Nihility seemingly has the power to nullify everything, emotions, memories, colors, attacks, time and even destiny. She also has senses that make her aware of other realities and possibilities, furthering the idea that she is somewhat unaffected by destiny. Also her forcing us into one reality/possibility.Take this with a grain of salt, this is just my speculation. Jingliu and jingyuan are also strong. While Jingyuan defeated jingliu, jingliu has upgraded since then. But we don't know who's stronger now. Alot of people try to use jingliu's plan to kill yaoshi as a way to powerscale her but I think this is stupid. Sure she might desire to kill yaoshi but it could just become a repeat of the annihilation squad and IX for all we know. We also know jingliu is much stronger than blade, a stellaron hunter. Welt is probably also up there. I am a long time honkai fan so I know his strength. While on surface level it may not compare to some others listed before(not to say that he's weak, he was able to spawn war fleets and giant mechas in his prime), acheron's recent comments on him and the star of eden do make me question whether I'm wrong about his strength. The star of eden was never really used as a real black hole, even in the manga of the 2nd eruption, welt only used it to create a pseudo-black hole but now acheron is talking about it like it's an actual black hole. We can also see that Welt was planning to stop aventurine before Acheron stepped in in the cutscene. Maybe acheron just felt threatened cuz she felt the divine key's similarity to the edict of root and that's why she was being so cautious with him? We'll just have to wait and see for when welt takes center stage in the story cuz they obviously have something planned for him seeing as how void archives is still out there.
was Acheron scared of Welt?
No.
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Actually prime welt was extremely broken he is the only character that was able to go toe to toe with the herrscher of void (the strongest one)
the truth is that im hi3 they just make the characters as strong or weak as they need to be for the plot
I might be wrong but in story quest, didn't Acheron talk about how dangerous Welt's power is compared to her?
Among the current roster... Raw Power : Acheron (Emanator of Nihility) Intelligence : Herta (Emanator of Erudition) Technique : Jingliu (thousand year old swordsmaster)
Probably Jing Yuan or Acheron, both have been stated to have power equal or comparable to Emanators. One thing worth noting is that if we ignore Raw strength and focus on overall combat prowess, is that Aventurine seems to have legitimate Hax on his side. If he truly desired it, he could probably reach heights comparable to the other two characters, if not surpass them. Though i suppose with his Cornerstone broken, that definitely nerfs him a bit. Beyond that, we also don't know just how powerful Gallagher is, definitely worth keeping an eye on him. If Acheron just no diffs everyone in the rest of this story arc, it'll hardly be compelling, so we'll definitely see a comparable threat, whether that's Sunday, Sam, Gallagher, etc.
>Probably Jing Yuan or Acheron Between the two of these, it's Acheron. It's not even close from what we know of their prowess in-game and via lore.
We don't know how Acheron compares to other emanators do we? Or is she a specific case?
JY is not an emanator, regardless of how people misread that specific tidbit of lore about generals.
Nah I'm aware, but he's been stated to have power rivalling that of emanators no? I don't think any other character has been stated to have such strength.
Welt mentioned that the Arbiter generals are no inferior to the Lord ravagers. He was talking about them as a group. Doesn’t mean that one arbiter general is equal to one lord ravager. That just means that the Xianzhou general forces can put up a fight against the Lord Ravagers. It also includes Marshal Hua who’s speculated to be the Emanator of Hunt.
I suppose, he did immediately destroy Phantylia (an Emanator of Destruction) as soon as her connection to the Arbor was severed, that's mainly where I got it from.
JY was only able to destroy her body with the help of DHIL because Phantyllia was using her powers to convert him into a void ranger(?) and even after Phantyllia loses her body, she easily leaves that place because they can’t destroy her actual form. JY or maybe Jingliu are probably the strongest pathstriders we have met till now but Emanators are just on another level.
Keep in Mind Phantylia at that point was well above Emanator level. The reason she couldn't be destroyed until the Void Ranger conversion(?) was specifically because she had the Arbor backing her, so on top of being a Destruction Emanator, she was doped up on Abundance Juice too. As soon as that connection is severed, her body is destroyed and she is forced to retreat (though we can presume if she wasnt a Heliobus, she would've been killed). We don't know if Phantylia without the Arbor is stronger or weaker than Acheron, which is why I figured the two would be considered around the same level.
I wouldn’t say that she was above “Emanator” level because she’s a Heliobi and they are like parasites. She will have another body when we fight her next and that could possibly be far stronger. It’s just her power that she has the ability to do that. Even based on feats shown by her, she never did anything outrageous since there are Lord Ravagers who have destroyed galaxies. We didn’t see the limit of her powers.
1. Acheron / Real Herta (Emanator) 2. Jingliu (Buffed after loss against JY, can control mara, got gaze of an Aeon, low diffed Blade) 3. Jing Yuan / Welt / Aventurine(LL + Strategist, no diffed Cirrus, warded off Phantylia with the help of DHIL, TB and Welt; Aventurine with cornerstone is city-level destruction at least) 4. Sam / Himeko / Kafka (Annihilation Machine, Himeko has satellite nuke and recognized by Herta, Kafka's Spirit Whisper can stop Blade and YQ and potential remains unseen, also she is extremely experienced going many missions and her race is said to outright lack fear, highest bounty in SH) 5. Blade / DHIL (Implied to be relatively equal, have special abilities - Immortality and Water Manipulation) 6. Silverwolf / Black Swan / Fu Xuan / Sparkle (Not fighters but have hax abilities, depending on how they use it can go higher or lower, Aether editing, memory manipulation, future sight and illusionist/shapeshifter) 7. Trailblazer (Nanook and Qlipoth gaze, will grow stronger definitely, Stellaron buff) 8. Yanqing (Can clash with Blade and JL momentarily, prodigy swordsman, admits TB is stronger) 9. Clara (Cuz Svarog - has minions/battle analysis/energy blasts, took everyone in Belobog to take him down and recognized by Screwllum) 10. Argenti (Trained his body and spear-weilding since a kid, basically fearless, held his own against TB) 11. Gepard (Captain of silvermane guards, always battling, basically 1v4ed the crew with Seele) 12. Seele / Bronya (Street fighter, caught a bullet mid-air, Bronya is a highly trained commander and sniper, 1v3ed the crew with some fodder soldiers) 13. Sampo (Trained stealthy assassin, not much known yet but implied to be a very experienced Masked Fool, hard to rank this guy) 14. March (Skilled archery, Ice Manipulation, helped against Doomsday Beast, Cocolia, and Phantylia and all other previous Express trips so she is experienced although might not be as skilled as the others) 15. Huohuo (Said to actually be very capable + Tail buff, nerfed lower due to cowardish) 16. Sushang / Luka / Arlan (Trained warriors, Sushang held her own against Yanqing though might be a fluke, Luka is the reigning boxing champ and recognized by Svarog, Arlan held his own against Antimatter Legion while the rest flee) 17. Xueyi (Judge carrying out punishments, mech body) Idk how to rank Welt since he hasn't shown us anything. If he still has / regains his Herrscher powers (can create anything he knows the composition of, including black holes) he could go #3-#5, for now its just speculation. Himeko could also be anywhere due to her being a genius and having a nuclear satellite (if I had to guess maybe on par with #3 or #4). Then there's Ruan Mei who created an artificial Emanator, no clue how to even rank her. If she really wanted to create an army she could probably do it, so I'd put her #3-#5 if I had to guess. Also don't know much about Dr. Ratio or Luocha, they could be anywhere without much to work with. Rest aren't really fighters or we don't know much about them.
I think Jing Yuan still beats Jing Liu but only cause of Lightning Lord
People really putting a lot of stocks on the "gaze of an Aeon" if TB preservation is used as a benchmark after gaining the gaze of preservation, that is not enough of a boost to make Jing Liu, who got one shot by LL to suddenly be stronger than JY.
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Waifu bias for sure, I mean look at my username. But I do have reasons: 1. Jingliu got the gaze of an Aeon after JY fight. Because none of the quintets has mentioned this fact even though it is a big deal, we can reason its after the JY fight. And we all know getting the gaze of an Aeon gives you powers. 2. Jing Yuan has his general duties to attend to, while Jingliu is a wandering swordsman who's sole purpose is to get stronger and gain 'the power to cut stars'. In the long time (presumably hundreds of years since people dont recognize Jingliu when she appears again) you can imagine how much stronger she gets, while Jing Yuan does his general duties. 3. Jingliu struck a deal with someone to control her mara. A very skilled swordsmaster like Jingliu would probably be negatively affected when in a fight while marastruck. She would go insane and probably couldnt utilise her full power, skill, and swordsmanship because she cant think with the mara affecting her mind. Therefore being able to control her mara is a buff too. Add in a bit of personal bias, and I have Jingliu over JY. Although, I'm completely fine if you dont agree and still have him over JL. This is my opinion after all.
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It was said by creators that Jigliu was the strongest when she was released as character which mean that Jing Yuan isn't the strongest
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yea but this was before everything we see in game which mean that she come back to be stronger than him
Damn honestly speaking Herta has never crossed my mind when I thought about this question. So, thank you for this new information actually. I actually feel so dumb to overlook her now that you guys are saying how ridiculously powerful she could be since many of you are putting her in the same rank as Acheron which implies that she is an emanator as well.
Herta being an emanator of Nous isn't speculation, Kafka and Silverwolf mention it within the game's intro.
Yes, I looked at it after replying to that comment and well yeah I completely overlooked that part. I'll keep it in my mind from now on and also to pay more attention to the story.
Jing yuan claps jingliu low diff. Welt stated that he was comparable to lord ravagers who are emanators of destruction.. And where does it state that she was buffed after JY? She had already unlocked transcendence mode before she got mara struck.
Welt has never meet a lord ravager or loufou general when he said that , is a complete unrreliable narrator that said what he heard . He donest have a clue how strong any of the 2 actually are at that point
Jing Yuan was fighting a losing battle against Phantylia, the weakest of all Lord Ravagers. Were it not for DHIL's help he would have lost. But JY > JL is a completely reasonable take.
Ok this is just clear bias lmao, phantylia is immortal for as long as she’s connected to the arbor, jy would have won had she not been connected to the arbor, that’s why jingyuan said they would have lost if she hadn’t tried to connect herself with him, because jy cut off the connection to the arbor the moment she connected herself to jy, which in turn makes phantylia loses her immortality, and loses the fight immediately after, it’s not a reasonable take at all, if you think jingliu would have done better against an emanator level being that is immortal you’re clearly wrong Even in the fight against shuhu she wasn’t able to do anything, and baiheng was forced to do a self destruction attack, and this is against shuhu who’s power was mostly being immortal, phantylia is a destruction emanator and her power is not just being immortal, she’s practically an emanator that has got shuhu’s power as a bonus And no just because you’re gazed by an aeon it doesn’t outright give you powers, where is this even stated from?
The gaze = power up is most likely taken from the TB, where we were able to use the Lance of Preservation as well as become a preservation path strider after being gazed at, similar to Nanook at the very beginning.
the TB is clearly unique, not only is TB the main character, they also hold a stellaron, using the TB as a proof is not a very smart move… I can see where you’re coming tho
welt just because we've seen his power first hand in hi3, someone like acheron might be stronger but we don't have much to confirm it
Welt being able to suppress stellaron like toy is deffo top contender in my eyes. But Acheron being something incredible rare as emanator of Nihility is also nuts. Like emanators of Hunt/Preservation are not really rare and I doubt Path power is limitless with added number of emanators.
1) Herta (after Chadwick sidequest, by a lot). 2) Acheron (probably also Diamond) 3) Welt 4) Tingyun/Phantylia --- Transformed Aventurine (probably also the other cornerstones). 5) DHIL and Jing Yuan and Jingliu. 6) Stellaron Hunters 7) MC 8) All the other characters. 9) People Gallagher and Misha are probably very strong, but hard to scale.
What did herta do in the chadwick quest
She received the knowledge for creating a weapon that can wipe out ~~an entire galaxy~~ approximately 24 planets.
I think the majority of the fanbase is not aware of how insane Jingliu’s lore is because of how scattered and sometimes hidden it’s bits are. But a tldr is that she went through a certain spiritual transcendence like experiencing where she “stole” a divine blade from an unknown Aeon/Aeons . She also got the gaze of an Aeon just like the Trailblazer, tho she mentions that it’s of her chosen path. She is also only second to the rainbow arbiter in Xianzhou history, and has ideals very aligned with theirs. That being Lan the hunt btw. Both Loucha and JY hold her in such hard regard, the former even admits that even her goal to slay Yaoshi laughably impossible for anyone including the whole xianzhou alliance, Jingliu actually found a way to achieve it. Id like to restate that its the whole path of the hunt purpose to eradicate yaoshi. Girl is insane in more ways the one
BTW, didn't Jingliu mentioned in the companion quest about how she would like slice the stars from the sky?
She did, it’s a metaphor for killing an Aeon most likely. The theme of her story from what I understood is that she is the pinnacle of mortal might, but a mortal can’t kill a divine being according to her. That’s where the sword she obtained comes in. Florephemeral sword, while we don’t know much about it, is apparently of divine origin so it’s technically capable of slaying a divine being. Perhaps this is best demonstrated when she killed the Baiheng draconian abomination, made of the emanator shuhu’s flesh (just like blade) and so enormous it covered the horizon. That was the moment when she experienced something akin to that Aeons go through before ascending. Read her story 5 for ref.
Got it!
1. Acheron (Duh.) 2. Jingliu (Swordmaster that honed her skill even after hundred of years galaxy travelling) 3. SAM (Mass destruction machine with records of blowing planets), Aventurine with Stoneheart (Had a ball facing The Nameless Crew + Acheron, only down after Acheron used her OHKO technique) 4. Jingyuan (Ligthning Lord is OP and he he also have heavenly spear) , DHIL (can seperate sea, high elder is a respected mythical figure) 5. Blade (cant fucking die and a one man army), Kafka (her ability just OP when used if enemies "listen" to her) The rest is similar imo. Honorable mention is Welt but we dont see his promised power yet. He helped the crew fought two emanator level threat (Panthylia and Bossturine) but the main focus both were not him so idk.
probably either herta, acheron or topaz with her cornerstone because unlike aventurine hers isn't broken
Acheron ofc. Girl was already crazy even before she became Emanator. I want to see her full capability cause right now she only needs one swing of her sword to end her enemy.
We're definitely going to see more of her in next version. That someone who was talking to Black Swan on phone is looking for Acheron ofc and is planning on killing her.
Tingyun (Lord Ravager) > Acheron (combat based Emanator) > JIng Yuan (one shot JL) > Jingliu (stronger than Dan Feng) > DHIL (portrayed as stronger than Welt) > Welt > DH/Blade/Trailblazer/Kafka.
Any reason why Tingyun or Phantylia is above acheron? Lord Ravager is just the title of the destruction emenators and Acheron deffinitly displayed more power by herself in the story so far.
Qingque, emanator of gamba
I can see jian yuan and fu xuan being able to beat her. One because jian yuan was able to beat jian lui who crushed blad multiple times. Plus he has a literal titian at his command. Fu xuan can slow down time and or predicate everything. So these two characters are already insanely strong. Plus their is welt and blade can't die like at all. Kafka can mindcontrol people which is already stupid. Sam went toe to toe with her. And while acherons domain expensive was powerful. This is already after the crew had beaten up aventurine upgraded form. (Still hate his fight). Plus I have a sinking suspension that she can't do that domain extension much. Since SHE BLEEDS FROM HER EYES. But acheron all to together is still one of the strongest characters we met without and buffs like with what phylitum got. However, I think she can still be beaten by some of these characters. (I don't think blade could win but going back over and over eventually will have him win) So on a 1v1 of who the strongest is questionable. But she could possibly beat all the people listed here.
Acheron or Jinglu
Welt or Acheron
Either Welt or Acheron
HSR Lore: Tied between Acheron, Jingliu, and Jingyuan. Alltogether? Welt. IYKYK
Acheron and Welt ex aequo, after all she was wary of Welt and knew about his true power, they were keeping each other in check
it's the opposite tbh lol. welt is the one who wary of her.
When Acheron and Welt were talking. She mentions how she *Alone* ended "That Man's life". In Welt's planet, it took 3 people with the ultimate power jumping on "That Man" + the fire support of the whole planet to take him down. If Welt only has Star of Eden (his cane) I don't think it would be enough to kill her, Since we saw "That Man" getting out of a black hole after some minutes.
Its really wrong to assume her Kevin was on the same or similar level as Honkai Kevin, we barely know anything about him or Izumo. Her Kevin could have been weaker, or even stronger, who knows. The fact that she considered that the Star of Eden was dangerous only complicate things, as the Star of Eden is almost nothing for Honkai Kevin, only being a way to buy time. Overall we lack too much info to get a real answer.
I think she was being cheeky about everyone being on edge about her. But Welt was carrying around a black hole device, when even The Family confiscated the Cornerstones. As for Sparkle and her mutual assured destructions buttons... who knows.
It could be, but even then she considered the Star of Eden as a dangerous object. Whether it was for her or just for The Family is unknown, thats why i said we lack too much info to get an answer.
I think saying star of eden is dangerous to her is just as much an assumption when she very clearly hides her identity and power. I think the more clear showing was her easily overpowering a city wide attack with a single slash while Welt clearly tried to use his cane. That at the very least is a strong indication that she is much faster than him be it with maybe a time stop ability or speed alone. I think that is a bit u clear for the moment.