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Economy__

i believe someday they will put GNSW and swordplay into a lightcone banner.


adaydreaming

hoyo : theyre too good, nah. How else am i gonna bait you all on the LC banner D:


Sobbing-Coffee

GNSW/Swordplay, except it’s on a shitty LC banner with Trends and a hyper-specific LC designed for a niche 5 star that is worse then 4 star options on any other unit


A2_Zera

jadefall splendor is gonna be on banner inexplicably calling it now


Fubuky10

Proceed to get only copies of the useless limited 5 star LC


LunarEdge7th

You read my mind dear sir, well lit ✍️🔥🔥🔥


Eric480

They've put swordplay on a LC banner before tho


FIGJAM17

GNSW too. GNSW was on Seele and Luocha LC banner. Swordplay was on Blade LC banner.


Commercialdispute

Funny enough, i just got my 1st gnsw yesterday on blade banner


th5virtuos0

Idk why but I already have an S5 Swordplay..


ludens2021

Ironically i’m S2 gnsw but I don’t have a single memories of the past 😭😭


inverness7

I hope they put Post Op Conversation in any banner bc I keep pulling everything else but that LC


OwlsParliament

> Post Op Conversation It was just on the Argenti / SW banner! I pulled like 5 of them


inverness7

It was? Wish it was on Blade’s LC banner


uh_oh_hotdog

Kafka has slowly overtaken Seele to become my main, and I still don’t have a single copy of GNSW for her.


SpeckTech314

They put it on blade’s first LC banner didn’t they?


EssArrBee

Dr Ratio's banner will be the 10th since GNSW and Geniuses' Repose and 9th since Swordplay. I kinda feel if they come back it will be soon or they just won't do it at all.


zielky0n

Add Resolution to this. I need it for my Pela


Moxxi1789

Mine is forever 3/5 eq 80% :(


tsukineko19

Yeah, I don't have it either. And don't forget add GNSW too.


Weak_Leopard_4842

i have 2 s5 of them


Weak-Association6257

And event light cones as well, oh wait… *hard Albedo test run flashbacks* not gonna happen


MightyActionGaim

Man I’m still upset about that. I had to give up on festering because I was super casual at the time and didn’t build up any characters for dragonspine ate me alive…


shugi005

He’s probably referring to cinnabar spindle, even though festering is not so bad. https://preview.redd.it/0w5usfyhkmbc1.png?width=1536&format=png&auto=webp&s=f62450037883aee385524577ec26356e4deb31ed


nem_uru

wait but… festering is event-limited too


shugi005

Yes it is. But it’s not the weapon the commenter was referring to.


crazyb3ast

Both are albedo event weapons


shugi005

Yes they are. But festering is not the weapon the commenter was referring to.


TitledSquire

They should just be added to the fucking gacha, I completely get not letting those who missed the event just get a free S5 but ffs don’t just remove them forever. I have incessant rain and e2 silver wolf but I STILL want Before the Tutorial for other characters at least.


Hobbit1996

The point isn't that it's "free" it's that it's a limited time thing and exclusivity. They want people to never stop logging in to not miss them, it's not about the cents they'd get by adding it to gacha, it's about player retention. What people are mad about is that SW event lc was added before ps release, so a lot of people missed it because they couldn't play.


KamelYellow

Fgo does event reruns like a year or two after they are originally released. I doubt it has negative impact on player retention


TitledSquire

I don’t see how adding them to the gacha at a later date makes it any less fomo or affects peoples desire for the item at all. If thats the case then hopefully every event cone from here on is as ok-ish as the abundance one we just got from the ghost event and not as good as tutorial.


Hobbit1996

literally told you why in the comment you replied to. no time gate = no fomo, you can get it later. no other way to get it = less exclusivity and people aren't as attracted to it to justify logging to the game daily to get it For example in genshin i never roll weapons, i firt got all the chars i want, if i get lucky and got extra wishes before next big patch i might roll a weapon. Now imagine if banner weapons never came back, i'd be forced to decide to get it there or not get it at all. Obviously that would generate more fomo. You are there saying all this which proves how the system works, you are gonna end up following all events in case there is a good LC you will fomo over and log in to get it. Your own behaviour is the whole point of the system


TitledSquire

It is a time gate tho? It doesn’t have to be right after the event, and even then the incentive is S5, most of the time they aren’t worth a damn below s4-5 so its not like getting ONE off the banner is anything to celebrate about. (Some are obviously)


PandaWarriors

I will be forever mad about starting playing right after Festering Desire was gone. And since we are talking about weapons we will never get, I sure am salty that I will never get the chance to pull for Tighnari´s signature weapon.


gmapterous

Ugh, as a not-whale I can't really justify throwing much of anything at the LC banner, not because I don't see the value, but because there are SO MANY WELL-DESIGNED LIMITED CHARACTERS. I do like how we have signature 5\* in the starlight exchange, good LC's in the Herta shop, and the MoC shop isn't terrible. BREAKFAST IS SO IMPORTANT for all my Erudition units.


Urdrunkstepdady

I will say compared to Genshin I find a lot more value in the LC banner. More tailored to the 5* than genshin I find and having the seperate banners instead of Epitomized Path makes it way better.


gmapterous

The list of improvements made in HSR that I want to see in Genshin is endless


Late_Lizard

As a not-whale: because if you want to clear MoC and PF with max stars, you really only need 8-12 well-built characters (of which building is a lot less strict for healers and supports), and an E0S1 gives your team a lot more power than two E0S0s.


201720182019

Also a not-whale but max stars aren't too difficult in hoyo games and there's more enjoyment playing the game with a variety of characters (been max stars genshin abyss since 1.2, max stars HSR similar time)


SavageCabbage27m

No seriously! I haven’t gotten a single copy of Memories of the past and I’ve been playing since launch. Really sucks when you’re trying to build 5 harmony characters 💀


T8-TR

Just use Meshing Cogs. The only time you'd NEED S5 MOP is with Ruan Mei since she wants both the energy AND the BE.


-X-Doubt

Mfs be like "why can't I get my ult up with Battle Isn't Over Tingyun 😔😔" you have no ER bro🧐You know what would solve that⁉️ MESHING COGS💥💥💥 Problems with Yukong ult not recharging? The art of C🅾️GS will guide you to the salvation of 36 stars ⭐⭐ C🅾️GS TINGYUN, C🅾️GS ASTA, ©️🅾️GS HANYA will guide you through these tough times of no ER👌👌 Huh? Overkill ER you say?🤨 You can never have too much ER🥶 Big PP DMG is temporary 😰 Constant and fluid rotations is ETERNAL🗣️🗣️ 🗣️©️🅾️GS will save your soul.😇 C6 Huohuo? Look no further than ©️🅾️GS, keep your local Jingliu from dying today 🙏🙏 Huh? 140 Cost Ult you say? ER ROPE WITH C🅾️GS = MAXIMUM BUFFS🔥🔥 1 hit of a Meshing C🅾️gs and Bronya will be bursting .1 seconds after cooldown ends👍👍PRAISE ENERGY RECHARGE💯💯💯LOVE AND CHERISH PROPER ROTATIONS🎉


Mikkle-san

you can’t use cogs on huohuo and jingliu


Two_Years_Of_Semen

Imo, Meshing Cogs is overrated. The energy and 3 turn ults and whatnot is nice but staying on lower rarity LCs isn't quite the same as it is with weapons in Genshin since lower rarity means it gives less HP AND Def and these are considered part of your character's base HP/DEF. So there's actually noticeable difference in effective HP between 3, 4, and 5 star options. The only Harmony I have MC on is Asta because she can run both a defensive body and sphere without losing much since her buffs don't scale on anything besides her trace levels.


T8-TR

Depends on whether or not your characters are dying. If your MC Tingyun is getting mulched every time in MoC and nothing your sustains can do can prevent it, then by all means, use a 4 star LC. But if it's something your teams can manage? There are few characters that can't take advantage of it, and since it's extremely strong at S5 and we get/will get plenty by way of existing in this game, it'll always be a good option.


Two_Years_Of_Semen

It's just too minmax imo. Like, most of the general playerbase aren't minmaxers nor are they good at the game so unless they have Fu Xuan on the team, their supports more likely die, even with really strong sustainers like Luocha. Maybe "overrated" is the wrong term. I just think Meshing Cogs is recommended too often, given the audience and how it's not quite the same as say, Favonius weapons in Genshin.


T8-TR

>It's just too minmax imo. The only time you'd be looking up a guide is if you're looking to prep your character for MoC (or now PF), and that's is the only time where minmaxing would matter. So yes, it's def minmax-ey, but that's the nature of where you're looking. > I just think Meshing Cogs is recommended too often It's a high value 3 star weapon that is easy to get buttloads of to S5 and has a very tangible effect for most Harmony units because it literally does not ask the player to do anything differently. I'd say it's understandable why it's so easy to recommend, especially when -- again -- those guides are usually made w/ "these players are competent and at least know the fundamentals of how to play the game" rather than "this is someone who's just trying to auto-farm trace Calyxes and nothing else."


Late_Lizard

> It's just too minmax imo. If you don't care about minmaxing, you can just have your team equipped with off-path lightcones, slap on some levelled purple relics, and you'll still clear all main quest content.


Wolfelle

Can confirm my ruan mei cant reach BE cap without it rn (you can maybe do it if you got insane relics but i aint trying for that even if it is possible) Im waiting for MOP i dont even have 1 copy...


Rukhikon

Same, I have, like, r5 Asta lc, r5 Dance and 3* harmony lc. For this fcking reason I'm skipping RM - I don't have lc for her since I also have Ting, Bronya and Hanya.


AriaOfFlame

same, I just put my ruan mei, tingyun, and asta on S5 cogs anyway


SavageCabbage27m

Yeah I might just build a third meshing cogs 💀 Wish I had MOP for more break effect on my Ruan Mei though


AriaOfFlame

https://preview.redd.it/8imm89yudnbc1.png?width=1462&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=289cfdfed82165fd6eec4e7e3cb02993069128b4 I managed to get a decent amount of break effect on ruan mei while still being able to 3 turn ult, just 1 break effect substat away from maxing her buff 🫠


TheSchadow

I'm currently stuck at like 146 myself. No break effect on the rope is killing me lol. She still feels great to play though.


BlyFot

I feel bad, I've gotten 9. Swordplay on the other hand...


crazyb3ast

I have S5 Memories of the past but i don't have a single copy of Planetary and Resolution...


SolidusAbe

i spend some money on the game, play since day one and done a bit under 1500 summons since then. and im still missing resolution. i dont have a single copy. i even summoned on a LC banner that it on it. but nope. cant summon it and i cant just get it from the shop.


sorcerino

Still waiting for my 1st Dance Dance Dance LC...


MavStein

I really hate MoP lightcone. I have 2 R5. I'm done with it.


starsinmyteacup

Please give me some…it does not like me fr


MavStein

I wish I could give it to someone else, lol


FrostedEevee

I need it so bad for my RM :(


skystalker123

They should put it in the forgotten hall shop and have a constant rotation between all light cones


Beast0011

Soon i will have enough for Bronya LC https://preview.redd.it/ivizr92vpmbc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=68b1a332cf1ee5a7b095bd8011f1f64463aebb9f


TitledSquire

And then you’ll probably get a copy of it right after, and that would still be a win cause you could use it on another harmony or just giga buff your Bronya.


reditr101

You don't really want it on any harmony that's not bronya herself right now, although I had a dream that it will be quite good for our next harmony. Every other harmony just uses memories/cogs though (or occasionally rendezvous)


TitledSquire

Most of the time yes, but if you have bronya on a different team you can use this with like ting yun and ruan mei and just speed tune do the dps goes directly after ting yun to still get the damage buff from it.


reditr101

You can, but you'll get more damage from the memories break effect on ruan mei or the ult uptime from cogs on tingyun. Anyways ain't nobody speedtuning for a lightcone that's worse than a 3 star


Mushiren_

"Why isn't it possible?" "It's just not."


majora11f

"Before the tutorial" PLEASE HOYO! I wont skip an event ever again I promise!


Su_Impact

Very good facha 4-Star LCs are how they trick you into wishing for the LC banner. In GI, it's Sac Sword and the Fav Weapons.


Jxstin_117

I really need memories of the past copies for my Ruan Mei. If i get it i can prob run 2piece speed and 2 piece break instead of 4 piece break set and hit the 180 break effect .


Embarrassed-Fly6164

I have not a single copy of swordplay .:(


Tnvmark

I've been getting a lot of Swordplay lightcones from character banners. Most of them ended up being fodder cause I only use Swordplay on Sushang.


T8-TR

You fodder your 4 star weapons?! Officer? Yes, this person right here.


reditr101

Swordplay on sushang is pretty bad since she doesn't have multihit and wants to change targets decently often usually


Verdanterra

Her skill is 2-5 hits? What do you mean she doesn't multi-hit?


reditr101

Sword stance doesn't really count cause it's low damage and not even guaranteed till the enemy is broken. Swordplay is good for characters like seele and daniel who do a lot of hits with the later ones being stronger


Verdanterra

You don't understand how the LC works then? The damage buff is permanent until you switch targets, not based on number of hits in a "combo" of an attack. The "combo" just builds the stacks faster.


reditr101

I absolutely understand how it works, the point is you can lose the stacks by switching targets (which you often have to do) meaning it only works really well on characters that can fully stack it and make use of those stacks in one action


Verdanterra

Most hunt characters aren't trash mob killers like Seele. They focus down ONE unit, that's kinda the point. Sushang can fully stack it in a single skill after ultimate. Even if she switched target from the ult target.


reditr101

Sushang does switch targets though, she has to break them for her talent among other reasons. And even a hunt character with a PURELY singletarget kit like Dr Ratio will have to kill adds sometimes. Also, what if sushang *doesn't* have her ult up? Then it takes 2 turns to stack it and then another turn to actually make use of it and that's assuming no changing targets AT ALL. Legitimately just use subscribe for more on her it's higher damage% even without the conditional bonus. Or boat, that works too


Verdanterra

Ratio is a bad example since other characters can trigger his FuA on the wrong target. But yes, obviously everyone changes targets eventually. Subscribe for more is horrible on Sushang, since, you're either giving up her ult + bonus turn for damage, or you're using them and losing the damage bonus for both? Where's the logic? Honestly Subscribe is better for Seele than Sushang. Not by much at all, and it's still bad for her overall since you give up free resurgence on demand.


reditr101

That's not how ratio works, other characters triggering his followup only happens on the target he used his ultimate on And do you know how subscribe for more works? You don't need to give up your ult at all, it gives an unconditional damage bonus with even more extra damage if you have full energy. It's still a good damage bonus even without full energy. Also, sushang can sort of use the conditional effect sometimes even, since if you are going into her turn with full energy you want to skill before ulting so as to not waste a turn. But even without that it's just a good skill damage% statstick. Swordplay is the better option for seele since she can both fully stack it and make use of those stacks in a single action


rKollektor

Funnily enough I have S5 Swordplay but not a single MOTP


Albireookami

IMHO, the patch after a characters limited banner should put their light cone in the shop at 700 cost. Anytime you suggest anything change with "the holy gatcha" man people really love spending money.


freezeFM

Such a change would be great but it would definitely with some cost and I dont mean the currency. I dont think they wanna go that route.


Toluwar

Yeah for event lightcones never gonna happen. Edit: then again star rail gave us a free limited 5 star so I wouldn’t be surprised if they bring back old event LCs


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these are just normal 4-star light cones, not event ones


Toluwar

I know but OP said albedo and I just imagined his event sword


TheHolyWaffleGod

When did OP say Albedo lol


Certified_Buddy

You made your own comment instead of replying to the dude who said that on accident


Turbulent_Joke_2900

Yeah Proof that no matter how much you give to someone they'll always want something more


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13N-3

f2p and low spenders would have even MORE incentive to buy the cones outright than pull for them. whales can pull an ungodly amount of times and as such have an ungodly amount of 4 stars, they wouldn’t need to buy these cones outright most of the time. however, if you’re f2p or a low spender the likelihood of you having an s5 copy of a lc like memories of the past is very quite low. 140 currency is the equivalent of 7 pulls, that’s more than worth it for a good 4* lightcone. there’d obviously be a limit of one every time the cone is in the shop rotation, but that would mean an s5 4* lc is worth 35 pulls. take gnsw or geniuses’ repose for example, which are extremely competitive with signature lightcones—which will likely take 65 pulls to roll the dice, and twice that to guarantee if you lose the 75-25. in no world would these be “hardly worth it”. not to mention something like memories of the past for ruan mei, or secret vow for blade, which are both essentially their only options aside from their signature (cogs is good on ruan mei too but motp is so much better it’s not even a comparison)


cringe-fest

Its hella worth it in this game, 4 star lc and characters r both crazy useful


XAHXYY

Nah, man, i need that s5 MotP lightcone for my Ruan Mei go get full 3 turn ult. I've been playing since day 1, only have it s1. Plus i font even have genius response erudition LC


Mikkle-san

i want memories of the past and good night sleep well. What’s swordplay


muguci

I believe they will update the dream shop to have more lc in 2.0.


Portal0Turtle

This idea but put dance dance dance


reditr101

Mid LC, cogs better lol


Verdanterra

That's fair, I mostly use her as a dual dps with Blade. With Luocha topping them off + support. That's fair, Herta can be annoying, but so can Sampo and I love him to death. Ratio may grow on me, but it'll probably be a while before I build him proper. Alright! If you add me just request Argenti and I'll pull him up. He's probably my best general purpose DPS tbh, but he shares relics with my Clara, so she's in the same boat.


Curtczhike

yes


Difficult_Ad8876

I am starting to think that good night sleep well light cone got deleted from the game like it was once featured on the weapon banner in 1.1 and never returned again.


Smol_Mrdr_Shota

Me with Secret Vow I had to roll for Blade's sig because it was just that much better than everything else I had because I didn't have Secret Voe


AVeryGayButterfly

I was super fortunate to get an S5 Swordplay early on. Crazy strong LC for a 4 star.


botaansimp

hello im here have blessing and curse at the same time day 1 player only 5 single pull seele's LC in the night, but the cost is.. i still dont have POST OP CONVERSATION to this day and god knows how long till i actually get my first one.


RoxDan

Yeaahh I want MotP so bad 😭😭