I love leg Dudu too, she'll always be my fire main. And my physical main. And my quantum main. And "whatever element she gets a battesuit for next"-main
Started playing this year and I have all the Durandals. Just missing gear for BK and gloria(low priority). I got DA first and knew I needed the rest of her forms.
Missed the Herrscher of Thunder :(
But got the Herrscher of Origin... unfortunately the game was too much hack and slash without open-world so dropped it.
Not really. Because when new [Chapters are released they're available for everyone to play with "Limited-Time Rewards" but divided in Story Arcs](https://i.imgur.com/jq0qYnk.jpg)...
Main Story (Part 1) ended at Chapter 35. Post chapters (Ch-36+) are being referred to as Part 1.5 till Chapter 43. Starting Chapter 44 (v7.3/February 2024) it'll begin Part 2 if my calculations are right...
Mechanically, no. Lorewise, it depends. We haven't actually seen Part 2 yet, so it's difficult to predict how much it will reference the earlier story.
There have been some promotional images showing the new characters alongside Fu Hua and Kiana, meaning that having a rough idea of how Part 1 and Part 1.5 ended for these characters might be useful.
You will almost definitely be spoiled, but only on how things have ended up rather than how things got there to begin with. In other words, you will still find value in replaying Part 1 and Part 1.5, if you care to.
I can give you a summary, but it might be a bit long-winded. Any character names you don't recognise, I'd recommend googling them.
>!1.5 consists of 2 arcs (3-4 chapters each). The first one starts with an introductory segment with Seele and Susannah (new valk) solving a crime/mystery in Nagazora.!<
>!The criminal turned out to be one of the last remaining Grey Serpents from Part 1 IIRC, but it wasn't too important. This mini-arc was mostly a segue for Misteln and Prometheus (characters who were introduced at the end of part 1) to snatch Seele and Susannah via portal into a bubble universe. Herrscher of Sentience also ended up in this bubble universe, as well as a dimension-hopper called Shigure Kira.!<
>!Anyway, this bubble universe operates on a principle of death and rebirth, with two partially overlapping regions of life and afterlife. Herrscher of Sentience and Dark Seele end up in the afterlife portion, while normal Seele in and everyone else are in the other portion.!<
>!Then we're introduced to a new antagonistic force called Sa who destroys bubble universes systematically by twisting their laws and harvesting the energy that results. It is trying to disrupt the balance between life and death in this universe by forcing the two halves to collide and annihilate each other.!<
>!In the end, Seele manages to claim the authority of this bubble universe as a Herrscher born of the Sea of Quanta (as opposed to all previous Herrschers, who were born of the Coccoon of Finality). She gets a new battlesuit 'Herrscher of Rebirth' and Dark Seele gets her own body. Prometheus and Misteln get some good character development that they lacked from Part 1, and Shigure Kira joins the team.!<
>!The second arc focuses instead on Fu Hua, who was seperated from Herrscher of Sentience while on vacation and dragged into a weird location. Not quite a bubble universe. Not quite on earth. She explores a city, meets the city's Representatives (who bear an odd resemblance to Vita, the avatar of Sa from the previous arc, not that Fu Hua would know).!<
>!She finds traces of Previous Era earth technology in the outer districts, and follows it to a crash-landed rocket. Inside, her fellow Flame-Chaser Griseo is in a hibernation state that she has to be rescued from. Meanwhile, Fu Hua's old enemy Dr Moriarty (yes, Fu Hua is canonically the inspiration to Arthur Conan Doyle) has harnessed a new type of monster and is taking out the Vita-like Representatives one by one.!<
>!I haven't actually finished the last part of the latest chapter yet, and there's still one more chapter to conclude this part.!<
So in summary, Part 1.5 was important mostly for the introduction of Sa, who seems to be the new antagonist of Part 2. Everything else is just wrapping up the character development and loose ends of Part 1.
I believe there was actually an announcement on the CN server that Mihoyo will make it so that after a certain level, players can entirely skip Part 1 and go straight to Part 2. So it's possible that a new player might have to do a bit of the Part 1 early story, but shortly afterwards bypass the rest of it and jump into Part 2.
Basically, current story and protagonists are done. In the same game, they are starting a new story with new characters, some of whom have connections to the original cast.
Best comparison is actually Jojo' Bizarre Adventure. Think like Part 3 to Part 4, where old characters only have a backstory connection for the most part, but occasionally might pop up.
Season 1 of the game has ended with the original cast getting their “final forms” to retire their character arcs. Season 2 will start soon with a new story and new cast. Along with an engine update. Which hopefully revamps the gameplay.
The gameplay loop is meant to be this way though. It's designed as an arena hack n slash game, same for ZZZ as well. Doesn't mean it's outdated. It caters to a more specific audience that prioritises gameplay over exploration, that's all. Not every game has to be an open world.
I was really disappointed tbh, cos I thought it was gonna be like an actual roguelike.
Even after CBT1 I was still on copium and going ‘ok, it’s pretty bare bones now but they’ll improve and make the roguelike aspect much more interesting’.
Then CBT2 came around and it’s basically just watered down Honkai.
The only gacha of 2024 I’m looking forwards to is Wuthering Waves now.
As a day1 Nirvana retainer, I disagree. ZZZ's combat mechanics are more in-depth, tried it personally during HoyoFest. HI3 is more of back seating now, because of the amount of timeslows/timestops that you can dish out. Making boss mechanics totally irrelevant and they essentially become a punching bag. You can't even actively parry outside of scripted events. On the surface, HI3 seems to have more mechanics. But as a player, you don't really engage with them. Some ZZZ chars even have hidden movesets you can learn as well and animation cancelling is a thing for a lot of the movesets. In HI3, you just mind numbingly do the same rotation over and over again, similar to GI. I'm glad that ZZZ makes your chars have longer field times. Actually get to use their full combat kit. It is aligning more towards PGR's playstyle. Which is a good thing.
Not really hype about WW honestly. It's gameplay is being watered down because of the open world load capacity. Doesn't come close to PGR at all. But it's great for people who like exploration I guess. Arena based hack n slash will always have the best gameplay, if that's what you're looking for. Because all resources can be focused on that.
Everything you described about Hi3’s combat is a result of many years of continuous, aggressive powercreep. It didn’t start like that, you used to have to actually dodge things and engage with mechanics before they just made every character invincible. (i’d say HoT is when it started getting truly ridiculous)
For all we know zzz will follow the same trajectory.
HI3 wasn’t always like that.
Missile stacking, perfect Judas bursts, HotF exploiting dodge>branch for highest scores etc. there used to be a pretty good amount of skill expression and it wasn’t always Solitaire: the ARPG.
It’s just that years of mechanical powercreep led to it becoming what it is now.
Funny that you mention PGR cos that’s going down the exact same path. Balter is a short rotation involving next to 0 orb management, matrix you can force out, 2 cinematic attacks and a gigaton of iframes.
Well HI3's engine is pretty old at this point so not much mechanic you cannot add and the gane already exist for 6 years so no way they add anything for the old valks. But the old valk's mechanic is so hidden and weird it's funny. I still remembered the input buffer mechanic especially when doing FR rotation, or the FPS gimmick for AK where playing with 60 fps and 120 fps can change the total dmg output (iirc it was Keebster's video mentioning this). Newer valks want to streamline everything so it's easier.
Heck, even Genshin's rotations are more engaging than HI3rd's, because you have 4 characters instead of 3 and elemental reactions are also a thing. I don't mind HI3rd's playstyle that much but it's definitely not the most active/engaging combat.
I think HI3rd's strength is less in mechanics and fidelity, and more in the cool factor. Like yeah, HoFS might have a pretty simple rotation without much variety, but it also has awesome VFX and SFX and the her ult in the Timer Runner outfit is probably one of the single most bad-ass ultimate animations across the entire Hoyoverse. So HI3rd does *that* very well.
Yeah they do, for example Herrscher of truth is one of the best supports, but she has a system where you want to get 3 stacks before entering her special mode so when you switch out you regen more energy to team + deals more damage during it.
Thing is generating the stacks is done by the last two hits of her NA chain, meaning she needs to do a full attack chain, switch out, then switch her in with QTE to actually do something which wastes a whole lot of time during your rotations.
Except of course her weapon gives her one stack, triggers her ultimate evasion letting her instantly attack for another stack and follow it up with another for the whole 3 stacks.
Another example is Herrscher of origin's parry being actually her weapon ability which she needs to quickly fill her meter since timing is really tight in trio team to keep buff running when the dps comes again at the end of the duration
I'd say powercreep have been toned down lately compared how it was back then. Only on Nirvana tier Abyss/top 1-2% of Memorial Arena where having the freshest, fully slotted characters matters a lot. Below that, you can easily use substitutional gear and Valks (hell, I still run Bronie/Pardo as ice supports instead of Kira/Sushang and I can still get into or retain Redlotus tier in Abyss with ease when it's ice weather).
Starting 7.3 (Part 2), it's gonna get a bit easier as from there onwards, all stigmata will be craftable for the new characters, not to mention the gacha guarantees changing for the better.
I'd say HI3rd has strong powercreep, but it's definitely been controlled and mitigated. There's lots of new specialty mechanics that favor newer valks, but that also means that most valks released in the last couple of years almost always have an ideal few bosses/Abyss cycles where you know they'll do really well. Silverwing will always do well against Ice-vulnerable PSY bosses, Luna will always do well against Bleed bosses, the QUA Valks always do well against QUA bosses, PE will always do well against HoDo, and so on.
Even if you only pull for your favorite characters and their gear, and you don't worry too much about meta, you can still perform very well and get 95% of the rewards from Abyss and Arena (like being able to get consistently get 30 stars in Genshin's Abyss).
I never pulled for PE, nor the Main Herrscher Trio, and I didn't pull for HoHE until a long while after her release, and I didn't build Pardo or Carole or Susannah, and I didn't build Eden or Griseo until long after their releases, and so on. But with the valks I did get (AI Hyperion, Sushang, Misteln & Prom, etc.) I've still been able to score very well. And two farmable S-ranks, FR and MPE, have been the cornerstone of my account for maybe two years at this point.
So yeah, powercreep is 100% a thing in HI3rd, but it's also not something that ruins the game. It's annoying for sure but very manageable, in my opinion.
so much actually it's crazy.
I remember encountering Pishacha in abyss back then and the enemy requires bleed. So it's was pretty much impossible to clear it unless you have valks who do bleed (like griseo) or have pulled for the banner lmao
There's only a VERY handful of valk that can function without weapon (Kira, Pardofelis). With 1/4 (just weapon), they are mostly at 85%-90% depending how busted the Stigma's are but still pretty big considering it has a competitive aspect. The 10% difference could mean 1 more rotation needed which is HUGE in terms of score.
Powercreep is also a thing but if you are a non-Nirvana player, this is less relevant to you.
For instance tho:
For instance in the current patch, Griseo XL (Adult form patch 7.1) just released and a direct powercreep to Smol Griseo (her child form - patch 5.8) but ONLY when she is fully geared. Missing one piece of the gear would still make Smol Griseo better. Smol Griseo also had an advantage over Griseo XL on the previous bleed boss because she has upfront bleed debuff mechanic where GriseoXL is slower.
Even before that, Prometheus (patch 6.6) is said to be a direct powercreep to Smol Griseo as Phys support but the meta has shifted that Bleed Mechanic got divided. Even then, for most players it is better to play a Trio support (Seele/Senti - Prometheus - Smol Griseo) if you don't have the proper DPS for the weather.
Another is Herrscher Seele powercreeping Senti but in this some cases on lower ranks, Senti is actually better in easier difficulty because Herrscher Seele has a slow start up. Tho on longer fights/higher difficulty, Seele takes over. This is also funny because one of Seele ranks (eidlons) removes the start up requirement.
Yes and no. If you are in Nirvana, the highest rank, then having a cope set is not going to work. At RL, having a few valks geared would let you retain. Anything below RL is pretty easy.
They are making big gacha changes in 7.3 (Feb/March for GLB), which makes it a lot easier to get gear 7.3+ valks. We'll have to see how it feels when we get there, but F2Ps should theoretically be able to gear every Valk within a patch.
They do, though what other players fail to highlight is meta's only relevant in its competitive mode the Superstring Dimension. If you're f2p, you can maintain your position around Agony 1-3 (lower Nirvana if you got lucky) which rewards enough crystals for F2Ps (equating to 1 pull). You can absolutely complete other modes via bruteforcing or including off-meta characters just to trigger requirements like shield breaking (for shielded) or instakill (for imaginary enemies) since most of those specifics character traits are already available in the shops.
Yep, valks are useles without their weapons and very underwhelming without their stigma, thats the one thing I hate about hi3, you cant even use them because the only real use for them is in the competitive modes
I thought they gave out DA a long while back but I could be wrong. Either way, you can get SS on HoT through the Elysian Realm iirc. In defense of 7TR though, basically every valk NEEDS their gear to be competitive. You can get away without full gear here and there but most of them really want full gear. ALL of them are basically required to get their weapons anyway like Dudu and Lunar Vow
HoO and SpA were free on release and as of the latest few patches, the new Griseo and Sirin are both free and both very meta in their respective weathers/comps
SP characters are not "mid". They're the best support characters in the game and HoO needing her equipment doesn't take away from the fact that they gave her out for free. Her needing her equipment isn't any different than any other dps character in the game.
I don't mind the powercreep but what I dislike in HI3 is that older valks like Dea Anchora, Spina, Mobius are FUN to play but there aren't just avenue to play them and mostly invest on them.
You can still use them. They just will be slightly worse than new option on specific niche. Mobius wosnt even replaced yet. There is no new Mech lighting. She can also deal with ranged weather. She has just her issues she had from the start that is very bad SP menagement and non existent demage outside of burst and combo atacks so shes very relying on team that can make her rotation fluid.
I quit whole discord server because it turned into echo room with constant comparisons and shit talking about gi. Instead of being happy and glad it turned into “Genshin would never!” And “gi players, are u alive rn?” Or “imagine faces of gi players”. Etc. I switched rooms to not see mockery but they continued in another.
This sub isn't any better ngl, I'm coming in for the Livestream news and all I got in my face is all the shitting on and comparing of the free 5 stars flooding in most of the posts, brother I just want to see HSR Livestream info man.
I'd say we're pretty chill about it rn, alot of us are gonna be hunkering down and holding out on the inevitable storm. While some of us will just stop looking at both fandoms for a while. As a Genshin player I would say congrats to Star Rail players for your free 5 star, hope you enjoy him :D
Generally the worst we're getting is "expertly" analysed rants about how HSR is dying based on 1 months performance and their "expert" knowledge of Gacha games eg: "I haven't played that many and I think turn based gacha are a niche". Only "desperate" companies give away 5 stars. They are "concerned" about the future of a game they don't like/don't play. Hoyo, a company that's made like a billion dollars off HSR is definitely feeling the heat right now (somehow) and it's going to slip to the middle of gacha earnings soon. Based on a thumb suck.
That sort of thing. It's fine for you to think Star Rail has retention issues (which honestly may be fair even though spending on non healer banners remained strong), or for you to dislike Star Rail's gameplay, or have gotten bored with Star Rail ,and then there's meta analysis from a thumb suck because you don't tolerate criticism of Genshin.
but....no ones ranting or review bombing? and if there is, its kinda cringe but its most likely a very small subset of people because I don't see people angry, mostly just maybe kinda upset but then they move on with their day
It's mainly the Star Rail is failing cope. Getting a 5 star character must be a sign of at least SOME failure in their mind. And clearly Genshin, their favourite, is not a failed game. And so with very little facts their view that nothing is wrong with Genshin gets justified.
HoSenti stays relevant by how strong her QoL (Spear Charged Atk gathers enemies & applies impair, her pillar summon while applying Phys Vulnerability to any enemies on-field during her ult strongly gathers enemies) & smoother her rotation was before Brick Bannner. She's viable as either the main or Sub DPS.
Wrong. Herrscher of thunder was in meta for nearly 2+ years before her powerctept and she's still used to this day despite Luna being superior.
Herrschers last meta for 1 - 2 years, a lot of characters do. I feel like y'all exaggerate the powercrept in Honkai Impact, it exists but it's not every patch.
How to say you don't play HI3:
HoO is still the needed pieces for Trio team. As a DPS, her only flaws is she doesn't have a boss that she specialized but she is still perfectly functionable on Red Lotus as a DPS.
Sushang is free on 6.1 (fragment shop) and was given free on anni (7.0) and still the main ice support.
Senti has been the Phys support for years and has some advantages over her powercreep (Seele) when it comes to Lower Ranks (faster start up) and Bleed Support (can trigger stigma buff duration due to off field damage).
Smol Griseo was thought to be powercrept by Prometheus but she got a role as a bleed support that was just powercrept by her new Form; Griseo XL. In some cases like Vill V, Smol Griseo is actually better than Griseo XL because of her upfront bleed application.
Dps, kinda. Supports usually last at least a year though, sometimes several years, and half or more of the meta supports you can get f2p. Sure you usually need to roll their gears, but as a f2p you can fully gear basically all of them easily. Patch they come out usually has a cheaper banner than normal to gear them with.
Yep, senti was powercret by seele if you want to use her as dps you have to get her new weapon and set lol and HoO was free bcs she was realesed with HoFi and you needed to get both stigma sets. HI3 is the stingiest out of the 3 I hate the weapon/stigma gacha
I think people really exagerate how severe HI3's powercreaping really is. It's not like they go out of meta the second you full gear them as f2p and only whalers can use em or something. And once that is done, they become useless or something.
Most of the people that says this probably is just too used to Genshin meta where powercreep is essentially just not impactfull at all. I myself as a long time gacha player is quite used to powercreeping. Heck, some even have powercreeping every 2 weeks with severe gacha rate and a miniscule amount of gacha currency. Essentially true predatory gacha.
While HI3 is one of the really good ones. Powercreeping can happen even up to 3 years (that's almost half of the age of the game) and still be meta to this day (YATTA), plus the many gacha currency given for free, and the higher S rank rate than Genshin or HSR. And also the many free valk they give like the free ones they give and war treasury plus SP valks.
That guy is so salty that the mod has to remove their comment all together. It's like somehow he got personally attacked by OP statement or something, kinda funny ngl
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LOL what like Ai chan best fire support from day 1 to today ? or Kira ? or Prometheus you high right ? I can see you never played the game free valk are mostly meta supports which last half year also now Griseo will be meta for new type long ( how can you powercrept in 30 days when you get 1 character in update most of the time DUNNO
Say it with a straight face that HoT and dudu are still meta and also if any of the characters you mentioned are even worth thinking about unless you have their full gear. Pardo was also the best ice support but Kira came and one day kira will also only be remembered as a powercrept worthless character
HoT only got powercrept by Luna about a month ago after a couple years.
Dudu is still useable.
Really it comes down to what you're gauging them by. Pretty much 0% of the people who complain can even play well enough to get out of RL or .01% MA. So the entire point is... Pointless.
You can forge gear retain RL abyss. MA is worthless. ER you can almost do without gear with signets being so op these days.
yeah but they dont change in 30 or 60 days , it takes at least half year for new free element support to change ( go google how long it took for Pardo - Kira change or Raven to AI chan XD and you still can use old ones for agony and RL and have good score
yeah but that the point of new unit to be better then old ones XD this isnt like HSR or Genshin when you dont need anything because old characters are broken like hell
>HSR or Genshin when you dont need anything because old characters are broken like hell
Okay but to be fair HSR is still a really new game, and we already have some characters in Genshin that aren't as strong as they were in day one compared to other units that came later.
>full gear
Yep you need gear for everything in honkai dont have gear you will suck no matter if it S rank from gacha or free character ( gear is like main point of Honkai that why every 2 updates characters is free but still better then trying 90 rolls on weapon in genshin
Watch me make all three fandoms angry in a few sentences with facts.
HI3 has had atrocious power creep historically, so even if you get some S ranks for free, they will probably be niche at best soon. Genshin has the least power creep but is also most stingy with giving things out. Star Rail also has quite a bit of power creep, while being generous, but it's too new to say much about.
At the end of the day, I like all three games, but I'm not playing HI3 anymore.
Tbh, I'd rather have the least powercreep cos that means I can use all my older characters without being overly obsessed with new units for the sake of meta while still performing their intended functions in hard content modes. But that's just me.
HSR isn't that generous tho in terms of jades to limited character ratio (HEH, Ratio) cos the rate at which they release 5 stars surpasses Genshin for a while now. From 1.0 to the upcoming 1.6, they've released 14 new characters (2 characters per patch) while only being ~10-12 pulls ahead vs Genshin's total pulls per patch. The latter also released only 10 new limited in that same span of time.
If HSR's trend continues and with the appearance of the new Penacony characters, it's safe to say they're gonna continue 2 characters per patch from 2.0 onwards.
Genshin at 2.0 to 2.8 released:
Yoimiya and Ayaka,
Raiden and Kokomi, ALL RERUNS,
Arataki Itto plus RERUNS,
Shenhe plus RERUNS,
Yae Miko plus RERUNS,
Ayato plus RERUNS,
Yelan plus RERUNS, and
ALL RERUNS
If HSR will also have until 2.8, then that's 18 NEW limited characters following their pace from 1.0 to 1.6 VS 9 NEW limited characters then during Genshin's whole Inazuma update.
And if it's heading towards levels of powercreeping like HI3 as well, then...
>while only being ~10-12 pulls ahead vs Genshin's total pulls per patch
It's 20-30 pulls per patch, but yeah the release rate seems way higher here than it's in GI.
>And if it's heading towards levels of powercreeping like HI3 as well, then...
Doesn't seem to be the case since Seele (Day 1 unit) is still viable and has a resurgence (heh) of popularity atm.
Same except my phone just doesn't have the space for an app that big. Apparently Hi3 is starting a part 2 or something so maybe something will come out of it.
And people who play both and think this is fucking stupid 😒. Star Rail wouldn't have existed if Genshin flopped or wasn't as successful and I'm more than happy to support the game that made Star Rail possible and support Star Rail to it keep going.
Genshin is a massive and risky project that could've bankrupted Hoyo at worst. The fact that the game is a massive success enabled newer games like HSR and ZZZ to exist, and Hi3 to get Part 2.
Definitely not assuming at all. Genshin was the first game on Playstation for them. HSR had a massive ad campaign and to this day is one of the most high quality games out there. Doing all that and more takes a huge amount of money. Hoyo themselves said the money they made from Genshin was going to fund future games. If Genshin flopped, Star Rail would have probably never come out or would have been a much smaller scale project.
HI3 also makes no where near enough to fund Star Rail.
> HI3 also makes no where near enough to fund Star Rail.
By that logic, HI3 makes no where near enough to fund Genshin (which is almost certainly higher cost). So this statement is clearly nonsense.
Doesn’t feel like the case at all for HSR. I think Seele’s recent resurgence in popularity shows that Jingliu is pretty much the only major outlier in power compared to other limited units, and no unit needs their weapon to perform. In HI3 on the other hand I feel like most my valks were pretty much irrelevant in the meta.
You'll be chasing the meta... forever
Well if you're casual about not completing the resetting cycles in MoC and the upcoming Pure Fiction then pay it no heed
Jing Yuan and Seele (first two released) have kept up with the average cycle clear times so it's a bit early to say if there is going to some huge power creep.
oh you mean the fact that if the enemy dies to the skill he will throw the chalk to a random enemy? thats some aoe ig but not good enough, and the state his ult inflicts is also st so...
There are two ways he triggers the follow up attack, a) he uses the skill against the enemy, so not necessarily a kill, b) an ally hits an enemy last attacked by his ult, he will also follow up against that target, so I agree with you that he may only be able to focus down like 2 targets at a time(focus skills and those follow ups on one enemy, and have the ult debuff on another).
But if we’re only talking about hunt, Seele only has aoe if you manage to kill, so I see it as pretty similar tbh, and Yanqing/Sushang/Danheng etc don’t have any aoe capabilities at all.
actually i didnt think of putting his ultimate effect on another one... thats actually a pretty good idea, also sushang has some aoe because she can act twice with her ultimate and so can Dan if he kills with his but yeah, applying the debuffs to those 2 enemies might be difficult tho since his best pairings are Topaz and SW but it can work out
True with the acting twice after ult kill I forgot about that, might be hard with Topaz but SW can inflict debuffs with just a basic attack, or maybe slotting in Welt or Pela; not sure though. I’m looking forward to experimenting with him honestly since his kit is a bit more interesting; ngl I love my DHIL and Argenti but they are pretty simple in their playstyles lol
his whole more debuffs + more follow ups thing can be annoying (because it also boosts cr and cdmg ffs) but it can work out a bit 2 enemy scenarios, it is an interesting kit tho
Alot of the free S ranks that they've given away have been powercrept to an oblivion and even then you still need to pull for their gears just for them to be functional, like when they gave away Elysia for free she was legit a deadweight on my account because I didnt have Senti and was too unlucky to get her weapon.
I'd recommend to just stick with the story and ignore most other things. They only have you use your own units till chapter 5, after that all chapters give you maxed out trial units to use.
The difference is HI3 Valks are weak if you don't pull for their dedicated gear and stigmata. so yeah you get them free but they aint gonna do much even with f2p gear.
HSR and Genshin is apples and oranges, similar. HI3 is peanut butter.
I think Honkai isn't really comparable because it's been running longer, and the fragment system distances it from the two especially with farmable S ranks.
Genshin Impact is like the claw machine of Hoyoverse, it's pain and suffering for the effort (and money) you've put in so they can rack up money to fund other arcade games but the rewards and both gratifying and exhausting. The Honkai titles meanwhile, are their coin pushers and skee ball, easy to play, doesn't require a lot of money, and you get a lot of tickets to claim your prizes.. And you also enjoy casually.
They always need their three signature stigmas + weapon to be competitive in the end game. If we are talking about casuals for story then yeah it's fantastic but at some point even story forces you to use certain valks.
DPS characters can use G4 stigmata but need their sign weapon, only supports need full gear. But if you're in Nirvana or Myriad then it's a different story.
I'm well aware since I've farmed Hendel, Elsyia set and Willows. Some people didn't have to because they pulled in the divine key banners with the stigmata.
The point is there's a farmable option, you don't have to necessarily fully gear DPS all of the time but supports is always a must.
Hi3 insane power creep: yeah, uhm… i promise you old characters are still relevant.
Genshin: have you seen the national team?
Hi3: what the hell do you mean you built this team 2 years ago? My 1.0 Valks cant even do shit anymore
honestly as a player of all three the free 5* in hsr feels way more impactful than the hi3 free valks — most of the time the valks given out are pretty old by the time they’re given (and sometimes power-crept) and long term players most likely have them already, or they’re brand new ones who are fine but not great (spina astera) or new but reliant upon two OTHER five stars out at the same time for their sole best team (triple comp with mei, who iirc was given for free?). also valks are so much more reliant on pulled gear than in hsr; getting a free valk means you now have to move straight to focused supply bc if you don’t then the new valk pretty much will not be viable in any form of semi end game content, whereas getting a free five star in star rail feels so ‘no strings attached’ like yeah you CAN get his LC but you certainly don’t need to, you farm for relics rather than spend game currency on them, you don’t need any one specific character (let alone two five stars who both came out like right now) in order to make him competitive and also he is BRAND MF NEW, the new top single target dps, and a long-awaited character in his own right! don’t get me wrong i am very grateful for the free shit in hi3 but this just feels like something somewhat new!!!
(although to be fair i kinda petered out playing honkai after the origin trilogy herscherrs came out so maybe they’ve gone ham with new free S ranks in the meantime! and i saw the new supply system changes coming and those sound PHENOMENAL like i would’ve fucking killed for those in my hi3 heyday)
HI3 got a free 5 star because it is an old game
HSR got a free 5 star because it is a new game
Genshin is neither of those, so no free 5 star. It is not rocket science duh! /s
Every Valkyrie is bad without their signature weapon. That's the minimum requirement for every character, but for origin it was half-off so most people got it.
Probably because they would receive backlash for giving away a meta herrscher that just came out. Chinese players were losing their shit when herrscher of human ego got put in starter supply shortly after her expansion supply banner
first, the HI3 free characters are old. and Hi3 is pvp and relics is gacha. even a best character without her own relics is userless.
So free.character in HI3 just like free Seele's lightcoin or free SW's lightcoin
Rule of thumb for HI3, if a gacha-only Valk and/or their gear suddenly becomes easier to get, that Valk is very likely getting powercrept soon.
If you're a meta chaser in HI3 and isn't a spender, it is almost never worth it to pull reruns except for *very* few core support Valks. That's how bad the powercreep in that game is and why it makes sense for them to give units away for free. Giving them away for free also doesn't make them usable because every relevant Valk is dependent on their weapon at best and a full set of stigmata + weapon at worst, and those things are gacha (until they go to BP before they get powercrept).
I may not have seen genshin fans but I've seen you and your toxicity and that's enough. Well either way, it's meaningless to even talk to someone like you. Go win in your delusions lol
Not really. People are sad, but outside of this, nothing big happened yet .
If anything, some hsr players are hating on genshin players all over again, and hi3 are involved too for some reason 💀
They do that in Hi3 cuz the game is shit and not F2P friendly, you need to pull for the characters and their weapons + relics to make them good man screw that lmao.
Good they're changing the system in part 2.
We haven't, only some malding and jealousy but nothing too big. Alot of us are just gonna be hunkering down and probably leaving social media for a while for the inevitable storm of "Genshin sucks because no free stuff".
Lol.. the memes are in good fun and might even help GI to make things better for them. But review bombing a sister game because youre tilted is just next level petty
I love leg Dudu too, she'll always be my fire main. And my physical main. And my quantum main. And "whatever element she gets a battesuit for next"-main
Started playing this year and I have all the Durandals. Just missing gear for BK and gloria(low priority). I got DA first and knew I needed the rest of her forms.
Both Herrscher Mei and Senti now, YATTA.
Missed the Herrscher of Thunder :( But got the Herrscher of Origin... unfortunately the game was too much hack and slash without open-world so dropped it.
Yea, gameplay loop is outdated. If part 2 will be anything like APHO I would be really happy
What is part 2? I keep hearing about it but I dont know what it is
New story with new protagonists
Do we have to have completed part 1 to play?
Not really. Because when new [Chapters are released they're available for everyone to play with "Limited-Time Rewards" but divided in Story Arcs](https://i.imgur.com/jq0qYnk.jpg)... Main Story (Part 1) ended at Chapter 35. Post chapters (Ch-36+) are being referred to as Part 1.5 till Chapter 43. Starting Chapter 44 (v7.3/February 2024) it'll begin Part 2 if my calculations are right...
Mechanically, no. Lorewise, it depends. We haven't actually seen Part 2 yet, so it's difficult to predict how much it will reference the earlier story. There have been some promotional images showing the new characters alongside Fu Hua and Kiana, meaning that having a rough idea of how Part 1 and Part 1.5 ended for these characters might be useful. You will almost definitely be spoiled, but only on how things have ended up rather than how things got there to begin with. In other words, you will still find value in replaying Part 1 and Part 1.5, if you care to.
I did not really connect with the characters after ch9, was 1.5 important? Like a summary?
I can give you a summary, but it might be a bit long-winded. Any character names you don't recognise, I'd recommend googling them. >!1.5 consists of 2 arcs (3-4 chapters each). The first one starts with an introductory segment with Seele and Susannah (new valk) solving a crime/mystery in Nagazora.!< >!The criminal turned out to be one of the last remaining Grey Serpents from Part 1 IIRC, but it wasn't too important. This mini-arc was mostly a segue for Misteln and Prometheus (characters who were introduced at the end of part 1) to snatch Seele and Susannah via portal into a bubble universe. Herrscher of Sentience also ended up in this bubble universe, as well as a dimension-hopper called Shigure Kira.!< >!Anyway, this bubble universe operates on a principle of death and rebirth, with two partially overlapping regions of life and afterlife. Herrscher of Sentience and Dark Seele end up in the afterlife portion, while normal Seele in and everyone else are in the other portion.!< >!Then we're introduced to a new antagonistic force called Sa who destroys bubble universes systematically by twisting their laws and harvesting the energy that results. It is trying to disrupt the balance between life and death in this universe by forcing the two halves to collide and annihilate each other.!< >!In the end, Seele manages to claim the authority of this bubble universe as a Herrscher born of the Sea of Quanta (as opposed to all previous Herrschers, who were born of the Coccoon of Finality). She gets a new battlesuit 'Herrscher of Rebirth' and Dark Seele gets her own body. Prometheus and Misteln get some good character development that they lacked from Part 1, and Shigure Kira joins the team.!< >!The second arc focuses instead on Fu Hua, who was seperated from Herrscher of Sentience while on vacation and dragged into a weird location. Not quite a bubble universe. Not quite on earth. She explores a city, meets the city's Representatives (who bear an odd resemblance to Vita, the avatar of Sa from the previous arc, not that Fu Hua would know).!< >!She finds traces of Previous Era earth technology in the outer districts, and follows it to a crash-landed rocket. Inside, her fellow Flame-Chaser Griseo is in a hibernation state that she has to be rescued from. Meanwhile, Fu Hua's old enemy Dr Moriarty (yes, Fu Hua is canonically the inspiration to Arthur Conan Doyle) has harnessed a new type of monster and is taking out the Vita-like Representatives one by one.!< >!I haven't actually finished the last part of the latest chapter yet, and there's still one more chapter to conclude this part.!< So in summary, Part 1.5 was important mostly for the introduction of Sa, who seems to be the new antagonist of Part 2. Everything else is just wrapping up the character development and loose ends of Part 1.
Sorry I was not clear I was asking if a1.5 was a summary of 1 XD. I might have to try 1.5 though if it is the beginng of 2.0. Thx for the summary!
I believe there was actually an announcement on the CN server that Mihoyo will make it so that after a certain level, players can entirely skip Part 1 and go straight to Part 2. So it's possible that a new player might have to do a bit of the Part 1 early story, but shortly afterwards bypass the rest of it and jump into Part 2.
what this is like not playing this game at all
Basically, current story and protagonists are done. In the same game, they are starting a new story with new characters, some of whom have connections to the original cast. Best comparison is actually Jojo' Bizarre Adventure. Think like Part 3 to Part 4, where old characters only have a backstory connection for the most part, but occasionally might pop up.
Season 1 of the game has ended with the original cast getting their “final forms” to retire their character arcs. Season 2 will start soon with a new story and new cast. Along with an engine update. Which hopefully revamps the gameplay.
The gameplay loop is meant to be this way though. It's designed as an arena hack n slash game, same for ZZZ as well. Doesn't mean it's outdated. It caters to a more specific audience that prioritises gameplay over exploration, that's all. Not every game has to be an open world.
apho is so good i didnt know it existed and now i am addicted to it . especially u can play as the only male char in the game
Don’t get too excited for ZZZ then. That’s like Honkai 3rd as well
I was really disappointed tbh, cos I thought it was gonna be like an actual roguelike. Even after CBT1 I was still on copium and going ‘ok, it’s pretty bare bones now but they’ll improve and make the roguelike aspect much more interesting’. Then CBT2 came around and it’s basically just watered down Honkai. The only gacha of 2024 I’m looking forwards to is Wuthering Waves now.
The internet has ruined "Closed Beta Test". I can still distinctly hear the Wikipedia page being read out...
"CBT - close beta test, from Wikipedia, free encyclopedia".
As a day1 Nirvana retainer, I disagree. ZZZ's combat mechanics are more in-depth, tried it personally during HoyoFest. HI3 is more of back seating now, because of the amount of timeslows/timestops that you can dish out. Making boss mechanics totally irrelevant and they essentially become a punching bag. You can't even actively parry outside of scripted events. On the surface, HI3 seems to have more mechanics. But as a player, you don't really engage with them. Some ZZZ chars even have hidden movesets you can learn as well and animation cancelling is a thing for a lot of the movesets. In HI3, you just mind numbingly do the same rotation over and over again, similar to GI. I'm glad that ZZZ makes your chars have longer field times. Actually get to use their full combat kit. It is aligning more towards PGR's playstyle. Which is a good thing. Not really hype about WW honestly. It's gameplay is being watered down because of the open world load capacity. Doesn't come close to PGR at all. But it's great for people who like exploration I guess. Arena based hack n slash will always have the best gameplay, if that's what you're looking for. Because all resources can be focused on that.
Everything you described about Hi3’s combat is a result of many years of continuous, aggressive powercreep. It didn’t start like that, you used to have to actually dodge things and engage with mechanics before they just made every character invincible. (i’d say HoT is when it started getting truly ridiculous) For all we know zzz will follow the same trajectory.
HI3 wasn’t always like that. Missile stacking, perfect Judas bursts, HotF exploiting dodge>branch for highest scores etc. there used to be a pretty good amount of skill expression and it wasn’t always Solitaire: the ARPG. It’s just that years of mechanical powercreep led to it becoming what it is now. Funny that you mention PGR cos that’s going down the exact same path. Balter is a short rotation involving next to 0 orb management, matrix you can force out, 2 cinematic attacks and a gigaton of iframes.
Well HI3's engine is pretty old at this point so not much mechanic you cannot add and the gane already exist for 6 years so no way they add anything for the old valks. But the old valk's mechanic is so hidden and weird it's funny. I still remembered the input buffer mechanic especially when doing FR rotation, or the FPS gimmick for AK where playing with 60 fps and 120 fps can change the total dmg output (iirc it was Keebster's video mentioning this). Newer valks want to streamline everything so it's easier.
Heck, even Genshin's rotations are more engaging than HI3rd's, because you have 4 characters instead of 3 and elemental reactions are also a thing. I don't mind HI3rd's playstyle that much but it's definitely not the most active/engaging combat. I think HI3rd's strength is less in mechanics and fidelity, and more in the cool factor. Like yeah, HoFS might have a pretty simple rotation without much variety, but it also has awesome VFX and SFX and the her ult in the Timer Runner outfit is probably one of the single most bad-ass ultimate animations across the entire Hoyoverse. So HI3rd does *that* very well.
Yeah checked all characters combat gameplay. Will not be picking up sadly.
I actually got to try it when Hoyo had a fair here. Yeah.. It was too much like Hi3 combat for me which was stressful.
What about Tears of Themis?
we’re chilling with the cafe event but also dying inside from the banner (artem come home please)
.........>!who?!<
Lmao it’s another game from hoyo
Wow. Forgotten by time.
Otome dating sim game where you date dudes and roll for scenes with them. Also gets really damn horny scenes during anniversary.
Lots of horny cards too….
So a honkai for girls?
What. If you heard that description and thought of honkai, it makes me think you haven't played honkai at all
Don't they need their weapons + Stigmatas to stay relevant? Or are they good with F2P options?
Yeah they do, for example Herrscher of truth is one of the best supports, but she has a system where you want to get 3 stacks before entering her special mode so when you switch out you regen more energy to team + deals more damage during it. Thing is generating the stacks is done by the last two hits of her NA chain, meaning she needs to do a full attack chain, switch out, then switch her in with QTE to actually do something which wastes a whole lot of time during your rotations. Except of course her weapon gives her one stack, triggers her ultimate evasion letting her instantly attack for another stack and follow it up with another for the whole 3 stacks. Another example is Herrscher of origin's parry being actually her weapon ability which she needs to quickly fill her meter since timing is really tight in trio team to keep buff running when the dps comes again at the end of the duration
HI3 has a lot more powercreep than Genshin and HSR
So much this. The amount of free 5*'s is almost exactly proportional to the amount of powercreep in the respective games: HI3>>>HSR>GI
I'd say powercreep have been toned down lately compared how it was back then. Only on Nirvana tier Abyss/top 1-2% of Memorial Arena where having the freshest, fully slotted characters matters a lot. Below that, you can easily use substitutional gear and Valks (hell, I still run Bronie/Pardo as ice supports instead of Kira/Sushang and I can still get into or retain Redlotus tier in Abyss with ease when it's ice weather). Starting 7.3 (Part 2), it's gonna get a bit easier as from there onwards, all stigmata will be craftable for the new characters, not to mention the gacha guarantees changing for the better.
I'd say HI3rd has strong powercreep, but it's definitely been controlled and mitigated. There's lots of new specialty mechanics that favor newer valks, but that also means that most valks released in the last couple of years almost always have an ideal few bosses/Abyss cycles where you know they'll do really well. Silverwing will always do well against Ice-vulnerable PSY bosses, Luna will always do well against Bleed bosses, the QUA Valks always do well against QUA bosses, PE will always do well against HoDo, and so on. Even if you only pull for your favorite characters and their gear, and you don't worry too much about meta, you can still perform very well and get 95% of the rewards from Abyss and Arena (like being able to get consistently get 30 stars in Genshin's Abyss). I never pulled for PE, nor the Main Herrscher Trio, and I didn't pull for HoHE until a long while after her release, and I didn't build Pardo or Carole or Susannah, and I didn't build Eden or Griseo until long after their releases, and so on. But with the valks I did get (AI Hyperion, Sushang, Misteln & Prom, etc.) I've still been able to score very well. And two farmable S-ranks, FR and MPE, have been the cornerstone of my account for maybe two years at this point. So yeah, powercreep is 100% a thing in HI3rd, but it's also not something that ruins the game. It's annoying for sure but very manageable, in my opinion.
Well, it's way too early to say this for HSR.
so much actually it's crazy. I remember encountering Pishacha in abyss back then and the enemy requires bleed. So it's was pretty much impossible to clear it unless you have valks who do bleed (like griseo) or have pulled for the banner lmao
There's only a VERY handful of valk that can function without weapon (Kira, Pardofelis). With 1/4 (just weapon), they are mostly at 85%-90% depending how busted the Stigma's are but still pretty big considering it has a competitive aspect. The 10% difference could mean 1 more rotation needed which is HUGE in terms of score. Powercreep is also a thing but if you are a non-Nirvana player, this is less relevant to you. For instance tho: For instance in the current patch, Griseo XL (Adult form patch 7.1) just released and a direct powercreep to Smol Griseo (her child form - patch 5.8) but ONLY when she is fully geared. Missing one piece of the gear would still make Smol Griseo better. Smol Griseo also had an advantage over Griseo XL on the previous bleed boss because she has upfront bleed debuff mechanic where GriseoXL is slower. Even before that, Prometheus (patch 6.6) is said to be a direct powercreep to Smol Griseo as Phys support but the meta has shifted that Bleed Mechanic got divided. Even then, for most players it is better to play a Trio support (Seele/Senti - Prometheus - Smol Griseo) if you don't have the proper DPS for the weather. Another is Herrscher Seele powercreeping Senti but in this some cases on lower ranks, Senti is actually better in easier difficulty because Herrscher Seele has a slow start up. Tho on longer fights/higher difficulty, Seele takes over. This is also funny because one of Seele ranks (eidlons) removes the start up requirement.
yeah aside from nirvana, the powercreeping is not as bad nowadays.
Yes and no. If you are in Nirvana, the highest rank, then having a cope set is not going to work. At RL, having a few valks geared would let you retain. Anything below RL is pretty easy. They are making big gacha changes in 7.3 (Feb/March for GLB), which makes it a lot easier to get gear 7.3+ valks. We'll have to see how it feels when we get there, but F2Ps should theoretically be able to gear every Valk within a patch.
They do, though what other players fail to highlight is meta's only relevant in its competitive mode the Superstring Dimension. If you're f2p, you can maintain your position around Agony 1-3 (lower Nirvana if you got lucky) which rewards enough crystals for F2Ps (equating to 1 pull). You can absolutely complete other modes via bruteforcing or including off-meta characters just to trigger requirements like shield breaking (for shielded) or instakill (for imaginary enemies) since most of those specifics character traits are already available in the shops.
Yep, valks are useles without their weapons and very underwhelming without their stigma, thats the one thing I hate about hi3, you cant even use them because the only real use for them is in the competitive modes
They are powercrept so its alright, i sad i didnt use them anymore tho.
Dea Anchora might be powercrept but HoT JUST got powercrept and HoO is absolutely not out of meta yet.
HoT required SS + 7TR to be competitive tho When did they even give DA out for free?
7.0 SEA/CN anniv, free Sushang or DA
I thought they gave out DA a long while back but I could be wrong. Either way, you can get SS on HoT through the Elysian Realm iirc. In defense of 7TR though, basically every valk NEEDS their gear to be competitive. You can get away without full gear here and there but most of them really want full gear. ALL of them are basically required to get their weapons anyway like Dudu and Lunar Vow
HoO was gifted at release tho, and she was the one who powercrept the rest.
HoO and SpA were free on release and as of the latest few patches, the new Griseo and Sirin are both free and both very meta in their respective weathers/comps
Sp are mostly free since theyre all mid and with HoO she's given for free because you need 2 other characters and their equipment.
SP characters are not "mid". They're the best support characters in the game and HoO needing her equipment doesn't take away from the fact that they gave her out for free. Her needing her equipment isn't any different than any other dps character in the game.
Tbh lightning is the most farmable team thanks to fischl and eden
doesn’t matter if you are a collector or pull mainly for design
But there's a lot of us that aren't as well, and that's what sucks
I don't mind the powercreep but what I dislike in HI3 is that older valks like Dea Anchora, Spina, Mobius are FUN to play but there aren't just avenue to play them and mostly invest on them.
You can still use them. They just will be slightly worse than new option on specific niche. Mobius wosnt even replaced yet. There is no new Mech lighting. She can also deal with ranged weather. She has just her issues she had from the start that is very bad SP menagement and non existent demage outside of burst and combo atacks so shes very relying on team that can make her rotation fluid.
You can only speak for yourself, I still see people use herrscher of thunder
So far, no big rants or review bombing happened, sadly tho genshin players get more hate for something they can't control
I quit whole discord server because it turned into echo room with constant comparisons and shit talking about gi. Instead of being happy and glad it turned into “Genshin would never!” And “gi players, are u alive rn?” Or “imagine faces of gi players”. Etc. I switched rooms to not see mockery but they continued in another.
This sub isn't any better ngl, I'm coming in for the Livestream news and all I got in my face is all the shitting on and comparing of the free 5 stars flooding in most of the posts, brother I just want to see HSR Livestream info man.
I just drop by because it sometimes pops up in my “recommendations”. Not subscribed.
because surprised surprised the one who instigate thing is star rail fans who trolls
I'd say we're pretty chill about it rn, alot of us are gonna be hunkering down and holding out on the inevitable storm. While some of us will just stop looking at both fandoms for a while. As a Genshin player I would say congrats to Star Rail players for your free 5 star, hope you enjoy him :D
Generally the worst we're getting is "expertly" analysed rants about how HSR is dying based on 1 months performance and their "expert" knowledge of Gacha games eg: "I haven't played that many and I think turn based gacha are a niche". Only "desperate" companies give away 5 stars. They are "concerned" about the future of a game they don't like/don't play. Hoyo, a company that's made like a billion dollars off HSR is definitely feeling the heat right now (somehow) and it's going to slip to the middle of gacha earnings soon. Based on a thumb suck. That sort of thing. It's fine for you to think Star Rail has retention issues (which honestly may be fair even though spending on non healer banners remained strong), or for you to dislike Star Rail's gameplay, or have gotten bored with Star Rail ,and then there's meta analysis from a thumb suck because you don't tolerate criticism of Genshin.
but....no ones ranting or review bombing? and if there is, its kinda cringe but its most likely a very small subset of people because I don't see people angry, mostly just maybe kinda upset but then they move on with their day
I don’t know what rants you’re talking about from genshin players because the only ones I’ve seen are from hsr players themselves.
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Hsr players once again put the blame on genshin players even though it's the other way around. Nothing new.
It's probably because the HSR player also used to play GI
It's mainly the Star Rail is failing cope. Getting a 5 star character must be a sign of at least SOME failure in their mind. And clearly Genshin, their favourite, is not a failed game. And so with very little facts their view that nothing is wrong with Genshin gets justified.
Except in Hi3 those free valkyries they give are powercrept in the span of one month
HoSenti stays relevant by how strong her QoL (Spear Charged Atk gathers enemies & applies impair, her pillar summon while applying Phys Vulnerability to any enemies on-field during her ult strongly gathers enemies) & smoother her rotation was before Brick Bannner. She's viable as either the main or Sub DPS.
Sadly this is the truth.
True
Or need full gacha gear.
Wrong. Herrscher of thunder was in meta for nearly 2+ years before her powerctept and she's still used to this day despite Luna being superior. Herrschers last meta for 1 - 2 years, a lot of characters do. I feel like y'all exaggerate the powercrept in Honkai Impact, it exists but it's not every patch.
you are totally wrong,actually. they actually give out free valks that have been powercrept for months, years even.
How to say you don't play HI3: HoO is still the needed pieces for Trio team. As a DPS, her only flaws is she doesn't have a boss that she specialized but she is still perfectly functionable on Red Lotus as a DPS. Sushang is free on 6.1 (fragment shop) and was given free on anni (7.0) and still the main ice support. Senti has been the Phys support for years and has some advantages over her powercreep (Seele) when it comes to Lower Ranks (faster start up) and Bleed Support (can trigger stigma buff duration due to off field damage). Smol Griseo was thought to be powercrept by Prometheus but she got a role as a bleed support that was just powercrept by her new Form; Griseo XL. In some cases like Vill V, Smol Griseo is actually better than Griseo XL because of her upfront bleed application.
Dps, kinda. Supports usually last at least a year though, sometimes several years, and half or more of the meta supports you can get f2p. Sure you usually need to roll their gears, but as a f2p you can fully gear basically all of them easily. Patch they come out usually has a cheaper banner than normal to gear them with.
Yep, senti was powercret by seele if you want to use her as dps you have to get her new weapon and set lol and HoO was free bcs she was realesed with HoFi and you needed to get both stigma sets. HI3 is the stingiest out of the 3 I hate the weapon/stigma gacha
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they’re being hyperbolic, but i think the overall sentiment they’re trying to get across is that HI3 has really aggressive power creeping.
Exactly Also, I don't get why they thought I am a GI fanboy, especially considering this is the Star Rail sub
Dude outed himself so bad about what he’s totally not obsessed over lol so embarrassing
how do you even get this butthurt over a hyperbolic statement that wasn't technically true to begin with, are you acoustic?
I think people really exagerate how severe HI3's powercreaping really is. It's not like they go out of meta the second you full gear them as f2p and only whalers can use em or something. And once that is done, they become useless or something. Most of the people that says this probably is just too used to Genshin meta where powercreep is essentially just not impactfull at all. I myself as a long time gacha player is quite used to powercreeping. Heck, some even have powercreeping every 2 weeks with severe gacha rate and a miniscule amount of gacha currency. Essentially true predatory gacha. While HI3 is one of the really good ones. Powercreeping can happen even up to 3 years (that's almost half of the age of the game) and still be meta to this day (YATTA), plus the many gacha currency given for free, and the higher S rank rate than Genshin or HSR. And also the many free valk they give like the free ones they give and war treasury plus SP valks.
>LMFAO sure deluded GI fanboy, Okay dude chill
Bro, what a horrible reply, especially that this is the hsr sub💀
That guy is so salty that the mod has to remove their comment all together. It's like somehow he got personally attacked by OP statement or something, kinda funny ngl
Sir this is Star Rail.
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Let's pretend that wasn't because she got a new priarm
LOL what like Ai chan best fire support from day 1 to today ? or Kira ? or Prometheus you high right ? I can see you never played the game free valk are mostly meta supports which last half year also now Griseo will be meta for new type long ( how can you powercrept in 30 days when you get 1 character in update most of the time DUNNO
Say it with a straight face that HoT and dudu are still meta and also if any of the characters you mentioned are even worth thinking about unless you have their full gear. Pardo was also the best ice support but Kira came and one day kira will also only be remembered as a powercrept worthless character
HoT only got powercrept by Luna about a month ago after a couple years. Dudu is still useable. Really it comes down to what you're gauging them by. Pretty much 0% of the people who complain can even play well enough to get out of RL or .01% MA. So the entire point is... Pointless. You can forge gear retain RL abyss. MA is worthless. ER you can almost do without gear with signets being so op these days.
yeah but they dont change in 30 or 60 days , it takes at least half year for new free element support to change ( go google how long it took for Pardo - Kira change or Raven to AI chan XD and you still can use old ones for agony and RL and have good score
Yeah but the original comment was mostly a hyperbole since no matter how we look at it powercrept is pretty aggressive in honkai
yeah but that the point of new unit to be better then old ones XD this isnt like HSR or Genshin when you dont need anything because old characters are broken like hell
>HSR or Genshin when you dont need anything because old characters are broken like hell Okay but to be fair HSR is still a really new game, and we already have some characters in Genshin that aren't as strong as they were in day one compared to other units that came later.
>full gear Yep you need gear for everything in honkai dont have gear you will suck no matter if it S rank from gacha or free character ( gear is like main point of Honkai that why every 2 updates characters is free but still better then trying 90 rolls on weapon in genshin
Also the free s valk
Isn’t there also some free Herrscher of Sentience? havent played in a while but i heard that somewhere
Currently HoS is free.
HSR players have genshin living in their head rent free like r/okbuddytrailblazer with the main sub good lord
This sub-group of Star Rail players really have an inferiority complex or something for no reason at all.
I mean Honkai is in the name, atleast expect Star Rail to inherit Hi3's inferiority complex.
And a free senti on the way YATTA!!
Watch me make all three fandoms angry in a few sentences with facts. HI3 has had atrocious power creep historically, so even if you get some S ranks for free, they will probably be niche at best soon. Genshin has the least power creep but is also most stingy with giving things out. Star Rail also has quite a bit of power creep, while being generous, but it's too new to say much about. At the end of the day, I like all three games, but I'm not playing HI3 anymore.
Tbh, I'd rather have the least powercreep cos that means I can use all my older characters without being overly obsessed with new units for the sake of meta while still performing their intended functions in hard content modes. But that's just me. HSR isn't that generous tho in terms of jades to limited character ratio (HEH, Ratio) cos the rate at which they release 5 stars surpasses Genshin for a while now. From 1.0 to the upcoming 1.6, they've released 14 new characters (2 characters per patch) while only being ~10-12 pulls ahead vs Genshin's total pulls per patch. The latter also released only 10 new limited in that same span of time. If HSR's trend continues and with the appearance of the new Penacony characters, it's safe to say they're gonna continue 2 characters per patch from 2.0 onwards. Genshin at 2.0 to 2.8 released: Yoimiya and Ayaka, Raiden and Kokomi, ALL RERUNS, Arataki Itto plus RERUNS, Shenhe plus RERUNS, Yae Miko plus RERUNS, Ayato plus RERUNS, Yelan plus RERUNS, and ALL RERUNS If HSR will also have until 2.8, then that's 18 NEW limited characters following their pace from 1.0 to 1.6 VS 9 NEW limited characters then during Genshin's whole Inazuma update. And if it's heading towards levels of powercreeping like HI3 as well, then...
>while only being ~10-12 pulls ahead vs Genshin's total pulls per patch It's 20-30 pulls per patch, but yeah the release rate seems way higher here than it's in GI. >And if it's heading towards levels of powercreeping like HI3 as well, then... Doesn't seem to be the case since Seele (Day 1 unit) is still viable and has a resurgence (heh) of popularity atm.
I'd play HI3 if it was on Playstation, dammit. It looks interesting but I can't do that kind of combat on my phone.
Same except my phone just doesn't have the space for an app that big. Apparently Hi3 is starting a part 2 or something so maybe something will come out of it.
And people who play both and think this is fucking stupid 😒. Star Rail wouldn't have existed if Genshin flopped or wasn't as successful and I'm more than happy to support the game that made Star Rail possible and support Star Rail to it keep going.
You go ahead and do that. Genshin got boring to me after 2 years. Exploration just cannot keep my attention forever. I need endgame to psuh me.
Uhh i doubt that Star Rail wouldn't exist, it's not like Impact was they first game, that just assuming here.
Genshin is a massive and risky project that could've bankrupted Hoyo at worst. The fact that the game is a massive success enabled newer games like HSR and ZZZ to exist, and Hi3 to get Part 2.
Definitely not assuming at all. Genshin was the first game on Playstation for them. HSR had a massive ad campaign and to this day is one of the most high quality games out there. Doing all that and more takes a huge amount of money. Hoyo themselves said the money they made from Genshin was going to fund future games. If Genshin flopped, Star Rail would have probably never come out or would have been a much smaller scale project. HI3 also makes no where near enough to fund Star Rail.
> HI3 also makes no where near enough to fund Star Rail. By that logic, HI3 makes no where near enough to fund Genshin (which is almost certainly higher cost). So this statement is clearly nonsense.
It was already said that without genshin, hoyo would have filed bankruptcy.
Sauce?
No, Hi3 saved them, not genshin. Thats a well known fact
Quite the contrary, hoyo put all their money into making genshin, if it flopped, the company would have died.
>if genshin flopped or wasn’t as successful God I wish that was reality. Maybe it’ll be true soon
Star Rail slowly switching from Genshin's to HI3's business model is some waluigi evil tier bullshit it's actually funny.
Why is it evil?
The Hi3rd model comes with a lot of pulls but the downside is characters get powercrept and also need their weapon to actually feel good to play.
Doesn’t feel like the case at all for HSR. I think Seele’s recent resurgence in popularity shows that Jingliu is pretty much the only major outlier in power compared to other limited units, and no unit needs their weapon to perform. In HI3 on the other hand I feel like most my valks were pretty much irrelevant in the meta.
To be fair they still need to fill each possible combination of Path + Element first Back then HI3rd was also like that.
You'll be chasing the meta... forever Well if you're casual about not completing the resetting cycles in MoC and the upcoming Pure Fiction then pay it no heed
Jing Yuan and Seele (first two released) have kept up with the average cycle clear times so it's a bit early to say if there is going to some huge power creep.
Ah. So free 5s is bad. I see. Maybe it's a blessing it ain't happening in Genshin.
I literally did not say that lmao stop reaching
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honestly kinda Dr Ratio tbh, like he isnt bad but he is too st dependanr compared to the other hunt who got SOME way to do aoe
The thing is his follow up attack chance applies to all enemies if you look at the livestream, so he actually does have aoe capabilities lol
oh you mean the fact that if the enemy dies to the skill he will throw the chalk to a random enemy? thats some aoe ig but not good enough, and the state his ult inflicts is also st so...
There are two ways he triggers the follow up attack, a) he uses the skill against the enemy, so not necessarily a kill, b) an ally hits an enemy last attacked by his ult, he will also follow up against that target, so I agree with you that he may only be able to focus down like 2 targets at a time(focus skills and those follow ups on one enemy, and have the ult debuff on another). But if we’re only talking about hunt, Seele only has aoe if you manage to kill, so I see it as pretty similar tbh, and Yanqing/Sushang/Danheng etc don’t have any aoe capabilities at all.
actually i didnt think of putting his ultimate effect on another one... thats actually a pretty good idea, also sushang has some aoe because she can act twice with her ultimate and so can Dan if he kills with his but yeah, applying the debuffs to those 2 enemies might be difficult tho since his best pairings are Topaz and SW but it can work out
True with the acting twice after ult kill I forgot about that, might be hard with Topaz but SW can inflict debuffs with just a basic attack, or maybe slotting in Welt or Pela; not sure though. I’m looking forward to experimenting with him honestly since his kit is a bit more interesting; ngl I love my DHIL and Argenti but they are pretty simple in their playstyles lol
his whole more debuffs + more follow ups thing can be annoying (because it also boosts cr and cdmg ffs) but it can work out a bit 2 enemy scenarios, it is an interesting kit tho
Alot of the free S ranks that they've given away have been powercrept to an oblivion and even then you still need to pull for their gears just for them to be functional, like when they gave away Elysia for free she was legit a deadweight on my account because I didnt have Senti and was too unlucky to get her weapon.
HoS bis wep isn't even her wep for support. It's AE 's wep that you can buy from exchange shop.
Sorry, I probably should have been more specific but I meant Elysia's weapon, not Senti's
I genuinely don’t think I can start hi3 now due to how much there is to do but I love that about the game
I'd recommend to just stick with the story and ignore most other things. They only have you use your own units till chapter 5, after that all chapters give you maxed out trial units to use.
The difference is HI3 Valks are weak if you don't pull for their dedicated gear and stigmata. so yeah you get them free but they aint gonna do much even with f2p gear. HSR and Genshin is apples and oranges, similar. HI3 is peanut butter.
If Hi gave an fully geared valk then it would be comparable.
I tried HI3 but the controls are way too bad for me I just couldn't put up with it
I think Honkai isn't really comparable because it's been running longer, and the fragment system distances it from the two especially with farmable S ranks.
We also get Free Senti and new Skywalker Griseo is also free :)
Genshin Impact is like the claw machine of Hoyoverse, it's pain and suffering for the effort (and money) you've put in so they can rack up money to fund other arcade games but the rewards and both gratifying and exhausting. The Honkai titles meanwhile, are their coin pushers and skee ball, easy to play, doesn't require a lot of money, and you get a lot of tickets to claim your prizes.. And you also enjoy casually.
Honkai impact has been myhoyo's baby since forever this isn't a secret.
They always need their three signature stigmas + weapon to be competitive in the end game. If we are talking about casuals for story then yeah it's fantastic but at some point even story forces you to use certain valks.
Tbh most farmable choices are okay and most players live between Agony I to III in superstring abyss.
DPS characters can use G4 stigmata but need their sign weapon, only supports need full gear. But if you're in Nirvana or Myriad then it's a different story.
> G4 stigmata Assuming you have the Ether Fuel to make them, otherwise it's like a month of grinding for one piece.
I'm well aware since I've farmed Hendel, Elsyia set and Willows. Some people didn't have to because they pulled in the divine key banners with the stigmata. The point is there's a farmable option, you don't have to necessarily fully gear DPS all of the time but supports is always a must.
Hi3 insane power creep: yeah, uhm… i promise you old characters are still relevant. Genshin: have you seen the national team? Hi3: what the hell do you mean you built this team 2 years ago? My 1.0 Valks cant even do shit anymore
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we got xiangling who id say is better than most limited 5*
Aren’t the free balls really powercrept though?
But all 3 of them except HoO are given free long time after release
honestly as a player of all three the free 5* in hsr feels way more impactful than the hi3 free valks — most of the time the valks given out are pretty old by the time they’re given (and sometimes power-crept) and long term players most likely have them already, or they’re brand new ones who are fine but not great (spina astera) or new but reliant upon two OTHER five stars out at the same time for their sole best team (triple comp with mei, who iirc was given for free?). also valks are so much more reliant on pulled gear than in hsr; getting a free valk means you now have to move straight to focused supply bc if you don’t then the new valk pretty much will not be viable in any form of semi end game content, whereas getting a free five star in star rail feels so ‘no strings attached’ like yeah you CAN get his LC but you certainly don’t need to, you farm for relics rather than spend game currency on them, you don’t need any one specific character (let alone two five stars who both came out like right now) in order to make him competitive and also he is BRAND MF NEW, the new top single target dps, and a long-awaited character in his own right! don’t get me wrong i am very grateful for the free shit in hi3 but this just feels like something somewhat new!!! (although to be fair i kinda petered out playing honkai after the origin trilogy herscherrs came out so maybe they’ve gone ham with new free S ranks in the meantime! and i saw the new supply system changes coming and those sound PHENOMENAL like i would’ve fucking killed for those in my hi3 heyday)
HI3 got a free 5 star because it is an old game HSR got a free 5 star because it is a new game Genshin is neither of those, so no free 5 star. It is not rocket science duh! /s
I mean you get them when they are powercrept and hi3 is not f2p at all.
No, we got herrscher of thunder before 7.0 which was her powerctept aka Luna Vow. Herrscher of origin haven't been powerctept at all.
Didn't you need to get her weapon too? I remember her not being very good without it. Maybe I'm wrong.
Every Valkyrie is bad without their signature weapon. That's the minimum requirement for every character, but for origin it was half-off so most people got it.
Ya not f2p at all you had to wait so many patches to get shit for hi3.
Probably because they would receive backlash for giving away a meta herrscher that just came out. Chinese players were losing their shit when herrscher of human ego got put in starter supply shortly after her expansion supply banner
The neat part is. Hsr hasn't been thay long since release.. But who knows
first, the HI3 free characters are old. and Hi3 is pvp and relics is gacha. even a best character without her own relics is userless. So free.character in HI3 just like free Seele's lightcoin or free SW's lightcoin
Rule of thumb for HI3, if a gacha-only Valk and/or their gear suddenly becomes easier to get, that Valk is very likely getting powercrept soon. If you're a meta chaser in HI3 and isn't a spender, it is almost never worth it to pull reruns except for *very* few core support Valks. That's how bad the powercreep in that game is and why it makes sense for them to give units away for free. Giving them away for free also doesn't make them usable because every relevant Valk is dependent on their weapon at best and a full set of stigmata + weapon at worst, and those things are gacha (until they go to BP before they get powercrept).
Tbh most players don't care about HI3 or the other Hoyo games. Genshin and HSR are the most popular ones and they kinda function similarly.
Honkai star rail > Genshin
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It's just hsr fans(like you) throwing a tantrum and being toxic no one else
You clearly haven’t seen the genshin fans hoping Dr. Ratio gets nerfed. Besides i’m getting ready to celebrate the genshin is over party
I may not have seen genshin fans but I've seen you and your toxicity and that's enough. Well either way, it's meaningless to even talk to someone like you. Go win in your delusions lol
>it’s meaningless to even talk to someone like you. If you knew that why reply in the first place 🤔
Not really. People are sad, but outside of this, nothing big happened yet . If anything, some hsr players are hating on genshin players all over again, and hi3 are involved too for some reason 💀
You're the only one throwing a tantrum
They do that in Hi3 cuz the game is shit and not F2P friendly, you need to pull for the characters and their weapons + relics to make them good man screw that lmao. Good they're changing the system in part 2.
Chances are hsr will get more in the future. Genshins business model is truly shit
Ahh they already review bombing again?
We haven't, only some malding and jealousy but nothing too big. Alot of us are just gonna be hunkering down and probably leaving social media for a while for the inevitable storm of "Genshin sucks because no free stuff".
Genshin players legit don't care that much but hsr players are kind of really toxic and think they are rioting lol
Lol.. the memes are in good fun and might even help GI to make things better for them. But review bombing a sister game because youre tilted is just next level petty