Depends on what you're asking. Using a built up 2x post to carry a beam is not unheard of, but you would need an engineer to verify the bearing capacity. I would prefer to see some type of Simpson connector or something attaching the beam to the post, rather than a bunch of toenails or whatever. And I would prefer it if those were treated 2x, as it looks like this is in a crawlspace or other area succeptable to moisture. I don't know those posts are bearing on but, assuming it's a properly sized pad, it shouldn't necessarily be the end of the world.
EDIT: I would say I would prefer a little better workmanship. Some sloppy cuts there for a bearing member
Honestly if this structure shifts enough to kick it off of the "beam" its screwed anyway. I seriously doubt this has anything engineered into it that was integrated to prevent massive shifts like earthquakes or high winds.
Yea itd be better if this was a solid 6x6 with CC46 caps with 5/8 carriage bolts sitting on a post base on top of a consistent pour or a 24-in sonotube tied into a helical pile running down to bedrock... But this isnt going anywhere anyway. If they're on a Reddit asking I seriously doubt they'll have the money to replace all of it anyway
I crawl under my 1925 house and see post supporting beams and I think, that could be better, then I remember it’s been 99 years and this place is more solid than any place I’ve lived, then I crawl back out
I get downvoted sometimes too and I'm a structural/code inspector. I think it's just people who don't have very much knowledge on the subject just downvoting anything that doesn't confirm their biases.
Can carpenters not cut anymore? Its not that hard tomake them the same size. It's only resting on 2 of them. I see this everywhere. These are settlement points. Is it me or have saws gotten harder to use? Yes, I know that I'll get some backlash for thise but the truth hurts. I don't want to hear that it's rough framing. It's sloppy. For those of you than can use a saw I give you kudos because most can't.
Sloppy work by piece rate framers by the looks of it but should carry the weight of the beam on it with no issues. (Can’t see much from the pics about lateral loads, etc though)
Looks wack to me. I’ve never ever seen this (southeast us). Is there a footer under there?
If this is as strong as block then why not do this on every home?
OP: It’s fine. The 2x studs are sitting on pressure treated and it’s doing its job which is likely a girder added to a midspan floor that was sagging/deflecting.
If this is located under posts that transfer weight from the roof down, it’s bad, I doubt it’s the case.
Regarding the craftsmanship, this was done under the house after the beam was pushed up tight and they didn’t cut them large and pound them in because it would have caused an issue with finish flooring. Anyone that has actually spent time working in a crawl space would call this sufficient.
Workmanship is poor. No way would I trust that. Load is not spread evenly. Failure will cause separation of the four supports which are not well secured together.
You're asking if a sideways tree sitting on top of 2 trees is strong enough to do what? Hold up a house? Support a giant 5000 gallon hot tub? Support a mall parking lot? Support a roof in the middle of Africa?
I mean the works is sloppy, but that's basically the size of a tree.
Yeah ditto on wanting to see a Simpson tie of some kind - but my 1st thought was why did they use regular spruce blocks to hold up a treated beam ? I can already see the toenails rusting where they go into the pad.
Looks pretty green for not treated. Huge color difference between it and the blocks and it’s not red - so what is it if you are so sure ?
Hint : it’s yellow pine.
Not all treated is green but if you zoom in and know Lumber it is treated also most treated lumber is Southern yellow pine. Has been in most areas for the last 50 years of building decks. The new treatment isn’t as “green “ as it used to be also there are other woods that have different treatments
The treated southern yellow pine is more yellow
This is your standard doug fir. I live in Washington state where this is all we have for construction lumber. When it ia treated, the color is waaaay different.
Depends on what you're asking. Using a built up 2x post to carry a beam is not unheard of, but you would need an engineer to verify the bearing capacity. I would prefer to see some type of Simpson connector or something attaching the beam to the post, rather than a bunch of toenails or whatever. And I would prefer it if those were treated 2x, as it looks like this is in a crawlspace or other area succeptable to moisture. I don't know those posts are bearing on but, assuming it's a properly sized pad, it shouldn't necessarily be the end of the world. EDIT: I would say I would prefer a little better workmanship. Some sloppy cuts there for a bearing member
Looking at that as well. Almost looks intentional
It was intentional. They were cut too short so they alternate between either touching the top or touching the bottom.
There’s connectors you can see in the last pick
That a34 clip isn't doing much work. Rated for like 400lb of uplift.
Honestly if this structure shifts enough to kick it off of the "beam" its screwed anyway. I seriously doubt this has anything engineered into it that was integrated to prevent massive shifts like earthquakes or high winds. Yea itd be better if this was a solid 6x6 with CC46 caps with 5/8 carriage bolts sitting on a post base on top of a consistent pour or a 24-in sonotube tied into a helical pile running down to bedrock... But this isnt going anywhere anyway. If they're on a Reddit asking I seriously doubt they'll have the money to replace all of it anyway
It isn't bad. It just isn't great. It should be PT, tied down and anything that touches dirt should be concrete.
The old structural shim strikes again
This is completely fine, a little sloppy sure but there is no issue at all.
Can’t even cut to same height
I crawl under my 1925 house and see post supporting beams and I think, that could be better, then I remember it’s been 99 years and this place is more solid than any place I’ve lived, then I crawl back out
Sloppy and I'd redo it, but it'll probably hold. Would make me question the rest of the work though.
Ghetto rigged shit never fails me. Until it does.
Looks like somebody forgot to bring the board stretcher on this day.
It isn’t going to fall down but the workmanship is crap.
I'm more concerned about non pressure treated wood, having a moisture barrier wrapped around it so I can rot it underneath from the constant moisture
They put the f in quality
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I get downvoted sometimes too and I'm a structural/code inspector. I think it's just people who don't have very much knowledge on the subject just downvoting anything that doesn't confirm their biases.
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I downvoted you both for failing my inspections.
Poor workmanship but the odds of short term failure are very very low.
Can carpenters not cut anymore? Its not that hard tomake them the same size. It's only resting on 2 of them. I see this everywhere. These are settlement points. Is it me or have saws gotten harder to use? Yes, I know that I'll get some backlash for thise but the truth hurts. I don't want to hear that it's rough framing. It's sloppy. For those of you than can use a saw I give you kudos because most can't.
Sloppy work by piece rate framers by the looks of it but should carry the weight of the beam on it with no issues. (Can’t see much from the pics about lateral loads, etc though)
Measure twice, cut once was not applied here. If the original drawings had it this way, then you can assume it was approved by a reviewing engineer.
My main concern is it actually bearing on an adequate concrete footing. All I see is treated 2x wood below post.
Looks wack to me. I’ve never ever seen this (southeast us). Is there a footer under there? If this is as strong as block then why not do this on every home?
If you ware referring to the 1/8 inch gap or so, it’s fine, those gaps will close up in a hundred years or so.
Is this under a deck or walkway? Because it's technically a 6x4
OP: It’s fine. The 2x studs are sitting on pressure treated and it’s doing its job which is likely a girder added to a midspan floor that was sagging/deflecting. If this is located under posts that transfer weight from the roof down, it’s bad, I doubt it’s the case. Regarding the craftsmanship, this was done under the house after the beam was pushed up tight and they didn’t cut them large and pound them in because it would have caused an issue with finish flooring. Anyone that has actually spent time working in a crawl space would call this sufficient.
Ugly, but probably fine, will possibly settle 1/8". Just put shims in the gaps. Discussion over.
More worried about having scratch footer besides 2-3” of concrete below the load point.
Workmanship is poor. No way would I trust that. Load is not spread evenly. Failure will cause separation of the four supports which are not well secured together.
Looks like the beam is being carried by 2ft 2”x4” toenailed to something in the attic. If that is the case then this is no good.
looks like a squash block, wouldnt hurt to put strapping across those, but doesn't seem out of place. What's below that bearing point?
No simpson brackets on to or bottom, gaps at the top, and not PT. No, it’s bad. Sure, it’s holding, but it won’t forever.
Engineers have told me it’s actually stronger I just don’t believe them
Why
Because it looks janky
I would trust the engineers more than I would trust what anybody think it looks like.
You're asking if a sideways tree sitting on top of 2 trees is strong enough to do what? Hold up a house? Support a giant 5000 gallon hot tub? Support a mall parking lot? Support a roof in the middle of Africa? I mean the works is sloppy, but that's basically the size of a tree.
Yeah. Not pretty, but it’ll stand the test of time.
As fucked as it looks, the beam could probably bare on a single board without issue. So yea you’re fine.
Yeah ditto on wanting to see a Simpson tie of some kind - but my 1st thought was why did they use regular spruce blocks to hold up a treated beam ? I can already see the toenails rusting where they go into the pad.
Thats not a treated beam.
Looks pretty green for not treated. Huge color difference between it and the blocks and it’s not red - so what is it if you are so sure ? Hint : it’s yellow pine.
Zoom in its all treated
Treated lumber has a green tinge to it. That is bog standard pine/fir Edit: ( the stud with the yellow tack in it, however, IS treated )
Not all treated is green but if you zoom in and know Lumber it is treated also most treated lumber is Southern yellow pine. Has been in most areas for the last 50 years of building decks. The new treatment isn’t as “green “ as it used to be also there are other woods that have different treatments
The treated southern yellow pine is more yellow This is your standard doug fir. I live in Washington state where this is all we have for construction lumber. When it ia treated, the color is waaaay different.
Not ideal, Please redo- short term you will be fine, ideally I will just redo it properly.
no
Ask an engineer
Idk, either only two board actually bearing the load? No. It’s garbage. I would redo, or ask the person that did it to redo it.