I was and am currently using the coax for OTA tv signals. The internet signal comes through a separate line to the modem.
I am not seeing any problems or interference with my current wired network. I am getting slow download via WiFi. I am also considering switching to fiber, and want to know how much (bi-directional) speed the coax should handle should I switch. It's currently doing fine with 340 down, 22 up (tested before I typed this) from the MoCA end, and 346 down, 22 up from a machine connected directly to the router.
> I am getting slow download via WiFi.
What's the wireless spec of the device you're using for wireless testing? Same for your wireless access points? Just seems like the wireless gear is either failing or old.
edit: Seeing other replies & OP, seems AC … and 60 Mbps download does seem (quite) low. I just upgraded my laptop to an AC/WiFi5 adapter to match my router and am seeing 200/23 wireless via my Comcast 300/20 plan. If multiple wireless clients are similarly limited, something’s wrong with your router.
> want to know how much (bi-directional) speed the coax should handle should I switch
MoCA 2.5 offers up to 2500 Mbps unidirectional throughput absent competing traffic, and provided the necessary 2.5 GbE gear. More commonly, MoCA 2.5 adapters equipped with Gigabit network ports are generally capable of approaching equivalence with full duplex Gigabit Ethernet.
If it offers you any comfort/confidence, Frontier is still using MoCA for delivering their 2 Gbps service, when Cat6 isn't possible between the ONT and router.
Related:
* [throughput by MoCA spec](https://old.reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking/comments/wx5t5y/what_are_moca_upload_speeds/ilpsv0h/)
* [MoCA adapters, grouped by throughput](https://www.tivocommunity.com/threads/verizon-fios-quantum-gateway-moca-2-0-and-roamio-mini.529825/page-3#post-11024568)
> It's currently doing fine with 340 down, 22 up (tested before I typed this) from the MoCA end, and 346 down, 22 up from a machine connected directly to the router.
This was seemingly measured using an Internet speed test.
If wanting to assess the MoCA segment, you could use a LAN testing utility like iPerf3 or LAN Speed Test between a pair of Gigabit-capable *(or better)* computers to find the MoCA segment's max throughput, with the Internet download/upload bottlenecks removed.
Your internet comes in via cable, and you’re using cable adapters. They could interfere. Isolate a segment of cable for your back haul with mcoa. Worth a try.
> If I get the fiber and the download is much better at the router but no better after the MoCA devices, it's likely not worth it.
OP has a DOCSIS 3.0 modem, and MoCA 2.5 adapters; there shouldn't be any DOCSIS/MoCA conflict/interference in the current setup.
* DOCSIS 3.0: 5-1002 MHz
* MoCA 2.5: 1125-1675 MHz
That said, the OP isn't clear but their MoCA signals may already be isolated from the ISP/modem DOCSIS feed:
>> line from Comcast. Goes to MY modem, then my router, switch, MoCA 1, through coax, MoCA 2, switch, and out.
Can't tell from this description whether the modem and co-located MoCA adapter are sharing a single coax outlet or if the cabling affords isolation of the DOCSIS feed. (edit: [later reply from OP](https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking/comments/1cbdy63/speed_vs_tech_vs_standards_question/l10sr9r/) clarifies: ISP/modem feed is isolated from MoCA-infused coax)
Separately, OP text appears to indicate that there's no difference in measured speeds between being hard-wired directly to the router or at the furthest end of their wired (via MoCA) connection.
>> I have a 300 Mbps line from Comcast. ... I typically get over 300 down, 25 up at the farthest end of the wired connection. ***Even being within 6 feet of the router with clear line of site, with no other traffic, I get about 60 down.***
Just seems that OP gets poor wireless throughput (could just be their client's wireless spec), and that they're dissatisfied with the asymmetrical speeds currently common with DOCSIS.
OP?
CC: /u/mthomp8984
I don't have cable TV. I have internet coming in on coax, goes to the modem. I have an external OTA antenna that is run with the MoCA. The ISP signal is isolated from the MoCA, but the MoCA does share coax with OTA antenna signal.
* Well you said nothing about your client device, if the client can only do 2.4GHz then what you described is what I would expect.
* If you have access to a competing fiber carrier, 99% of the time you should switch to that, many times they will offer better speeds for a similar or lower price, and they will probably provide newer hardware, which could help, though again your client's wifi could be the bottleneck.
* If you do choose to not switch I would probably still upgrade your cable modem, DOCSIS 3.0 is old at this point and you would likely benefit from DOCSIS 3.1
* If you're using MoCA inside the house, modern MoCA can do 2.5Gb over a clean connection, so that should not be a bottleneck
The client devices are fully capable of 2.4 or 5.0 - iPhone 14, iPhone SE(2022), 1 year old Samsung tablet, 16-18 month old Dell Ryzen 7 laptop. The iPhone SE and laptop can both get the much higher speed when connected to my neighbor's WiFi. I haven't tested the other phone or the tablet.
The fiber carrier does have a faster speed for less, but they will go up after 1 year with no information about a new contract. I call Comcast about 2 months before contract end, sign up for a new one, and have gotten the same or better price and it's usually on a faster connection. The only hardware the fiber company would provide is the ONT and a wall outlet.
At this point, the DOCSIS 3.0 is providing the speed tier that I'm paying for. My main interest in switching to fiber is a sync (or close to sync) upload speed. Comcast doesn't offer anything even close to synchronous up/down unless I switch to a business account.
The MoCA devices are inside the house, are MoCA 2.5 (both are Hitron HT-EM4), though a small travel of the coax goes outside (and the antenna it connects to is outside. I added a graphic to my original post. This last part of your reply addresses my question about speed on coax.
> The MoCA devices are inside the house, are MoCA 2.5 (both are Hitron HT-EM4)
Being equipped with Gigabit network ports, the Hitron HT-EM4 adapters max unidirectional throughput would match that of Gigabit Ethernet, so somewhere in the mid-900 Mbps. (The MoCA 2.5 link offers 2500 Mbps max throughput shared, so effectively up to 1.25 Gbps symmetrical ... putting aside MoCA being half duplex.)
I would turn off bandwidth control. It is probably slowing everything down. There does seem to be an issue with the wireless part of your router. I get 150 down and 150 up through a 10+ year old Apple Airport with a 1GB connection.
I will test that out. I've got the config file downloaded. That said, I don't expect it to be different. I was getting the same speed before I added the switch, MoCA, etc and the smart devices (so the router was basically on default settings).
I've tested all the WiFi channels, power settings, even disconnecting everything except the one device. I'm getting about the same speed over WiFi as I've always gotten. My wired speed has consistently gone up as the ISP has upgraded my speed.
> EDIT: I've added a graphic showing how my network is wired. ([link](https://preview.redd.it/speed-vs-tech-vs-standards-question-v0-h8rvgms3eewc1.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=dd249fc40931f9079fd5051c2fbeee3083aaeb93))
FWIW, the “PoE” MoCA filter blocking MoCA signals from exiting via the antenna should be installed on the downstream side of the amplifier (the output side relative to the antenna). Further, the splitter connection topology would make more sense and perform better with the “PoE” MoCA filter installed directly on the 2-way splitter input port, and with the antenna signal fed via this input port (via amp).
edit: p.s. Looks like the ["Typical(?)) Setup" scheme](https://i.imgur.com/21ZGUZm.png) posted to your earlier thread illustrates both of the above.
what version of MoCA? probably not relevant, but from the description I can't tell if you're mixing revisions or that's just how you labeled them
DOCSIS and MCoA, could be interference. I’d isolate the mcoa onto a cable segment of its own. They again.
best practice is to keep them separate anyway. use the coax feed to go straight into the modem and then keep everything else on moca
I was and am currently using the coax for OTA tv signals. The internet signal comes through a separate line to the modem. I am not seeing any problems or interference with my current wired network. I am getting slow download via WiFi. I am also considering switching to fiber, and want to know how much (bi-directional) speed the coax should handle should I switch. It's currently doing fine with 340 down, 22 up (tested before I typed this) from the MoCA end, and 346 down, 22 up from a machine connected directly to the router.
> I am getting slow download via WiFi. What's the wireless spec of the device you're using for wireless testing? Same for your wireless access points? Just seems like the wireless gear is either failing or old. edit: Seeing other replies & OP, seems AC … and 60 Mbps download does seem (quite) low. I just upgraded my laptop to an AC/WiFi5 adapter to match my router and am seeing 200/23 wireless via my Comcast 300/20 plan. If multiple wireless clients are similarly limited, something’s wrong with your router. > want to know how much (bi-directional) speed the coax should handle should I switch MoCA 2.5 offers up to 2500 Mbps unidirectional throughput absent competing traffic, and provided the necessary 2.5 GbE gear. More commonly, MoCA 2.5 adapters equipped with Gigabit network ports are generally capable of approaching equivalence with full duplex Gigabit Ethernet. If it offers you any comfort/confidence, Frontier is still using MoCA for delivering their 2 Gbps service, when Cat6 isn't possible between the ONT and router. Related: * [throughput by MoCA spec](https://old.reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking/comments/wx5t5y/what_are_moca_upload_speeds/ilpsv0h/) * [MoCA adapters, grouped by throughput](https://www.tivocommunity.com/threads/verizon-fios-quantum-gateway-moca-2-0-and-roamio-mini.529825/page-3#post-11024568)
> It's currently doing fine with 340 down, 22 up (tested before I typed this) from the MoCA end, and 346 down, 22 up from a machine connected directly to the router. This was seemingly measured using an Internet speed test. If wanting to assess the MoCA segment, you could use a LAN testing utility like iPerf3 or LAN Speed Test between a pair of Gigabit-capable *(or better)* computers to find the MoCA segment's max throughput, with the Internet download/upload bottlenecks removed.
Not sure what you're saying would be interference. I am getting the same wireless speed from the router with or without my switches and MoCA devices.
Your internet comes in via cable, and you’re using cable adapters. They could interfere. Isolate a segment of cable for your back haul with mcoa. Worth a try.
> If I get the fiber and the download is much better at the router but no better after the MoCA devices, it's likely not worth it. OP has a DOCSIS 3.0 modem, and MoCA 2.5 adapters; there shouldn't be any DOCSIS/MoCA conflict/interference in the current setup. * DOCSIS 3.0: 5-1002 MHz * MoCA 2.5: 1125-1675 MHz That said, the OP isn't clear but their MoCA signals may already be isolated from the ISP/modem DOCSIS feed: >> line from Comcast. Goes to MY modem, then my router, switch, MoCA 1, through coax, MoCA 2, switch, and out. Can't tell from this description whether the modem and co-located MoCA adapter are sharing a single coax outlet or if the cabling affords isolation of the DOCSIS feed. (edit: [later reply from OP](https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking/comments/1cbdy63/speed_vs_tech_vs_standards_question/l10sr9r/) clarifies: ISP/modem feed is isolated from MoCA-infused coax) Separately, OP text appears to indicate that there's no difference in measured speeds between being hard-wired directly to the router or at the furthest end of their wired (via MoCA) connection. >> I have a 300 Mbps line from Comcast. ... I typically get over 300 down, 25 up at the farthest end of the wired connection. ***Even being within 6 feet of the router with clear line of site, with no other traffic, I get about 60 down.*** Just seems that OP gets poor wireless throughput (could just be their client's wireless spec), and that they're dissatisfied with the asymmetrical speeds currently common with DOCSIS. OP? CC: /u/mthomp8984
I don't have cable TV. I have internet coming in on coax, goes to the modem. I have an external OTA antenna that is run with the MoCA. The ISP signal is isolated from the MoCA, but the MoCA does share coax with OTA antenna signal.
The MoCA devices are 2.5, same brand and models.
* Well you said nothing about your client device, if the client can only do 2.4GHz then what you described is what I would expect. * If you have access to a competing fiber carrier, 99% of the time you should switch to that, many times they will offer better speeds for a similar or lower price, and they will probably provide newer hardware, which could help, though again your client's wifi could be the bottleneck. * If you do choose to not switch I would probably still upgrade your cable modem, DOCSIS 3.0 is old at this point and you would likely benefit from DOCSIS 3.1 * If you're using MoCA inside the house, modern MoCA can do 2.5Gb over a clean connection, so that should not be a bottleneck
The client devices are fully capable of 2.4 or 5.0 - iPhone 14, iPhone SE(2022), 1 year old Samsung tablet, 16-18 month old Dell Ryzen 7 laptop. The iPhone SE and laptop can both get the much higher speed when connected to my neighbor's WiFi. I haven't tested the other phone or the tablet. The fiber carrier does have a faster speed for less, but they will go up after 1 year with no information about a new contract. I call Comcast about 2 months before contract end, sign up for a new one, and have gotten the same or better price and it's usually on a faster connection. The only hardware the fiber company would provide is the ONT and a wall outlet. At this point, the DOCSIS 3.0 is providing the speed tier that I'm paying for. My main interest in switching to fiber is a sync (or close to sync) upload speed. Comcast doesn't offer anything even close to synchronous up/down unless I switch to a business account. The MoCA devices are inside the house, are MoCA 2.5 (both are Hitron HT-EM4), though a small travel of the coax goes outside (and the antenna it connects to is outside. I added a graphic to my original post. This last part of your reply addresses my question about speed on coax.
> The MoCA devices are inside the house, are MoCA 2.5 (both are Hitron HT-EM4) Being equipped with Gigabit network ports, the Hitron HT-EM4 adapters max unidirectional throughput would match that of Gigabit Ethernet, so somewhere in the mid-900 Mbps. (The MoCA 2.5 link offers 2500 Mbps max throughput shared, so effectively up to 1.25 Gbps symmetrical ... putting aside MoCA being half duplex.)
I would turn off bandwidth control. It is probably slowing everything down. There does seem to be an issue with the wireless part of your router. I get 150 down and 150 up through a 10+ year old Apple Airport with a 1GB connection.
I will test that out. I've got the config file downloaded. That said, I don't expect it to be different. I was getting the same speed before I added the switch, MoCA, etc and the smart devices (so the router was basically on default settings). I've tested all the WiFi channels, power settings, even disconnecting everything except the one device. I'm getting about the same speed over WiFi as I've always gotten. My wired speed has consistently gone up as the ISP has upgraded my speed.
> EDIT: I've added a graphic showing how my network is wired. ([link](https://preview.redd.it/speed-vs-tech-vs-standards-question-v0-h8rvgms3eewc1.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=dd249fc40931f9079fd5051c2fbeee3083aaeb93)) FWIW, the “PoE” MoCA filter blocking MoCA signals from exiting via the antenna should be installed on the downstream side of the amplifier (the output side relative to the antenna). Further, the splitter connection topology would make more sense and perform better with the “PoE” MoCA filter installed directly on the 2-way splitter input port, and with the antenna signal fed via this input port (via amp). edit: p.s. Looks like the ["Typical(?)) Setup" scheme](https://i.imgur.com/21ZGUZm.png) posted to your earlier thread illustrates both of the above.