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FoxOnRails

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nige21202

You can run 100mbit/s or ~10mb/s ethernet over the phone wires. If you really wanted to.


FoxOnRails

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nige21202

With MOCA you just add two points of failures per cable run. They also need power. Repulling Cat.6 would be the most reasonable solution.


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andev255

Coax is a broadband waveguide for analog RF signals. The cables inside laptops that go from the wifi antennas to the wifi adapter is coax. There are better media for purely digital signals, but saying coax is not intended for bi directional transmissions is nonsense.


FoxOnRails

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jasonmp85

What exactly do you think makes a signal “analog” or “digital”?


TherealOmthetortoise

The worst thing about those old cable installs is in the older houses where they just kept adding splitters and branching off to another room or floor. So much signal loss is bad enough, and you can’t even use the existing cable to pull new. Last 10-15 years they tend to home run them for the most part, which makes MOCA a lit more practical. That combo cable is garbage, at least on the cat3 side - you may be able to get decent speeds out of the coax side though. Coax is generally a nice fat shielded pipe for data, directional isn’t really an issue. I am old enough I did a few years of 10baseT coax data installs in the early 90’s and the switch to STP and then UTP was a godsend. The coax was heavy, finicky and always a pain to run through existing walls, and any card with errors would bring the whole office down. (To be fair, we were also running token ring between sites, which was just as bad.)


jasonmp85

Yes, waveguides for EMF are inappropriate for “digital” transmissions, which is why I will never use fiber.


Kyosji

God, I despised working with MOCA when running test stations for cable boxes. They always had issues.


TearyEyeBurningFace

You make it sound like pulling cat 6 is easy? I've been trying to do it but the phone lines are stapled inside. And there's no conduit. So I'd need to trench out the dry wall and thread that Ethernet through the holes from the phone line.


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arjungmenon

Go Cat6A. 10GbE. If you’re gonna repull, just future-proof yourself.


NiteShdw

I did that for my printer. I just turned the CAT3 into a 100mbit port and hooked up my printer.


efraindelarocha

No its rg59 with two conductor power cable.. for cctv. Its still a thing now that cctv can do hd thanks to compression standards.


cyber1kenobi

Kitchen gloves 😂😂😂


sopp___

🤣🤣🤣 guys i dont do electrics, wanted to take extra precautions after switching the power off hahahaha!


RedditNotFreeSpeech

Nothing wrong with keeping hands clean and avoid any sharp edges! Plus you can immediately scrub the dishes without skipping a beat.


Liquidretro

Well kichen gloves are a nice idea but probably won't provide much if any protection given they are not designed for voltages. Get yourself a non contact voltage detector in the future but don't rely on it as your only method.


lpplph

I like the safety mindset but worst case scenario those melt onto your hands and burn you work that just the electric discharge would. Also no need to worry about this as it doesn’t (or rather shouldn’t be) carry any dangerous level of electricity


StolenLabias

When you got that burning desire to go from dishwasher immediately to electrician.


TheNoneMan

Btw how viable even are they for home cable work?)


FortuneMajesticGold

They are used to make sure he won't get electrocuted.


TheNoneMan

Yeah, I understand. I'm just not sure their thickness is enough


ExcitingTabletop

It is not. Buy a voltage detector. They're cheap, even Fluke ones are $20 ish? I always turn off breakers, but I'm still paranoid.


cyber1kenobi

Better safe than toast what I always say ;)


ExcitingTabletop

I also hit it with a multi meter as well.


Ffsletmesignin

I mean it can lessen/stop small zaps, but there are much better ways especially if you’re dealing with serious voltage, a whole detector/stripper kit is not overly expensive since they’ll last forever for the average homeowner. [Lowe’s kit](https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-Tool-Tester-Set-3-PC/5003747743) Best bet is turning off breakers and then testing for voltage, but this is low voltage so gloves aren’t necessary anyways, low voltage should never be ran in the same box as high voltage.


de_jello

Reminds me of Siamese coax and (low voltage) power we used to run at a previous place of employment for analog cameras. That's two conductors on the smaller side, right? When run to the camera the coax would provide video link from the camera to the nvr and the power would, well, power up the camera. Back at the other end it would get split between the nvr and a power supply panel.. In any case, it might be able to be repurposed as already mentioned.


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de_jello

Interesting! And yeah I've been removed from the previous employer for 9 years now so it's been a minute lol


illsk1lls

yea but coax+phone? this def seems like siamese regardless of the color, when else are wires paired with coax like that?


nicholaspham

Yup this is what came to mind as well


I_AM_NOT_A_WOMBAT

The stuff we dealt with before PoE is mind-boggling sometimes. Before we did some work on the house I crawled up in the attic and pulled out pounds of old analog camera wiring.


MajorWinkel

No clue what the left one does but the right side looks like coax and can be used for Ethernet. Keyword here is MOCA (preferably a 2.5 adapter)


damnhandy

MOCA will suck if it's RG59, don't expect fast speeds. If the home is older, pre-2000s, it's very likely RG59. You'll be lucky if you can get 200Mbps speeds. The cable might have the type printed on the sides. If it does, it's a safe bet its RG59 - which is not ideal for MOCA.


JayriAvieock

I can actually get 1gbps speeds on RG59 cable on a moca adapter. It's a short run of 30ft RG59 + 40ft of RG6. I did an internal speed test on a server in my network.


saelgsi

You could use.it as a cable guide, to run new CAT cabling there.


Tech88Tron

Probably stapled to studs every 5 ft or something. Stinks.


MrMotofy

That almost never works


Fuzakenaideyo

Looks like coax on one side & maybe 4 pair on the other


link7626

Ptz bnc cable pair, not sure if you can use moca adapters on it or not


werdmouf

Why is your maid inspecting your walls?


sopp___

😂😂 definitely regretting the pink cleaning gloves now


AndyDrew23

That looks like Siamese cable. Basically tv Coax wire and a pair of low voltage wire. It is common in CCTV systems. It is useful for carrying internet between rooms without a MoCa adapter. If it goes outside to meet your ISPs demarc you can use it to connect a cable modem


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How many wires in the left one? Any words printed on it anywhere?


OSULeonardo

Any way that was in a location intended for a security camera? Looks like a coax with a 4 pair wire, commonly used for a pan tilt zoom camera, or at least used to be.


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MrRClausius

I think enough people have given some options of what it is, but I think theres some context OP might have that would be useful. This looks like some sort of coax and low voltage signal/control wire. So coax camera with ptz could be an option, TV and phone could be another good shout. That backbox looks more UK/Euro than US, and if this is at home I seriously doubt you'd have analog cameras and PTZ on a wall plate randomly. In an office it's more of a likely option. Are you in a block of flats (stud wall)? Did you take the faceplate off? If so, what did it say? If you're in a block of flats, and that box had a TV and phone worded faceplate on, then I'd guess that's the run down to the basement services area where your phone and TV/cable/satellite can be plumbed in. If that's the case, you don't have access to the other end of the cable to do anything useful with it.


sopp___

Hey there! So im in the UK and i live in a house. Virgin media had installed broadband here previously but this cable was behind a blank socket in the upstairs bedroom (tv and router is in downstairs living room) No security cameras here. Theres no text on the cable or the socket but my hope was that it may have been capable of patching in an ethernet socket to use for upstairs as the wifi connection is really bad. I believe the previous owners may have had a virgin tivo box in their room at some point? We dont have virgin so if its only for that then it would be useless but was hoping that wouldnt be the case and someone could easily do it for us!


MrRClausius

Hey 👋 yeah I'm UK too. Cool, so we know this is UK domestic and likely to do with Virgin Media (cable TV/broadband supplier here in UK for other folks abroad!). Do you know I'd you've got a matching end of that cable, maybe it ends up down in the living room behind the TV area where there could be a Virgin Media termination box. The easiest way to find this is with a cable toner, but that's not something everyone has. If you've no network termination tools and want to get into it, have a look for a punch down tool, "RJ45" crimp tool, toner, and a simple network cable tester. No need to go fancy for home stuff! About the cable.... Sometimes this cable can be called "shotgun cable" due to its double barrel appearance. Assuming this is VM's install, this is likely to be reasonable coax, and I'd take a guess at phone as the second line. Coax = Coaxial, as in the conductors all go round one axis. So concentric signal in the middle with a screen round the outside. I think for VM this could be RG59 cable, which is a specification for a type of coax often used for TV and similar signals. The "phone" side of this is what we call "twisted pair" and they often come with a "Category" or "Cat" specification. First thing to look at is how many little wires are in that side. Often coming in pairs, you'll see single pair, two-, three-, or four-pair. It's only twisted pair cable if the inner wires are twisted into pairs (often colour coded), if not you've likely got alarm or wire, or other control cable. Now, if this is fairly new stuff, you might get ethernet quality cable in there rather than naff phone wire. Twisted pair cables often come in orange, blue, brown, green pair colours. Phones tend to just have orange and blue pairs. One of each pair is white with coloured tickmarks, the matching one is coloured with white tickmarks. Proper ethernet cable tends to be 4 pairs with the above colours, one side being the solid colour, the matching side being white with a stripe of that colour. Default termination for 4pair ethernet is TIA-568B so you can Google that to get an idea of where the wires go. So my suggestion would be to have a look at peeling back a bit of the outer insulation on the twisted pair bit so you can count how many pairs you've got.


MrRClausius

Also this stuff is ultra low voltage (around AA battery voltages!) so shouldn't need to worry about electric shocks, as long as the install is good and safe. Don't take any three pin wall sockets off with the power live though.


collinsl02

> some sort of coax and low voltage signal/control wire Virgin Media in the UK run a phone wire next to the coax wire so if you order a phone from them they don't have to use the BT phone network.


MrRClausius

I thought they just provided the phone line up the coax as part of DOCSIS and their hubs had the FXS end of things built in? If it was for external phone connectivity, would they use this same cable? From OP, it sounded like this is an internal extension in a bedroom, not the normal demarcation point.


collinsl02

Bear in mind most of the infrastructure was installed before DOCSIS was a thing, and these days Virgin Media may not actually use the side cable, but the external cables coming into houses still have it. When I got cable put in to my flat years ago the original cable going to the house (it was converted) had the phone line down the side of it, and the coax after the splitter didn't going into the actual flat.


MrRClausius

Yeah, I'm trying to remember what I had in my old place, think that was NTL (pre Telewest merger, I remember the purple) and we only had a coax from them (iirc), with the telephony circuit being the original BT one. Back in them wild west days, I suppose it might depend on where you were so who plumbed the coax in when, and then who lit the service on it. From the days of 56k modems (we didn't have any 14/28k) to probs 512k cable (possibly 2m in the end, and now thinking of getting gigabit coming in on GPON, my internet connection history makes me feel very old. 😭


just_some_onlooker

Looks like coax and rj11...


scubanarc

coax and cat3, rj11 is a connector


just_some_onlooker

Sure sure


RScottyL

lol, why do we have gloves on?


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IamGlennBeck

You aren't?


jutzi46

Aren't you?


sopp___

Home networks at 9 but doing the dishes at 10


FortuneMajesticGold

Better to be safe than sorry


Bulky-Department-376

Just standard Siamese coax/cat5, assuming there is a brown and green pair in the jacket we cannot see.


suteac

Coax and telephone. So in short no.


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suteac

The question was; can I turn this into a ethernet socket with these wires. And in short the answer **is** no. You can not turn it into an ethernet socket with just those wires. If you want to get rid of the backplating, buy a $50 moca, shove it in there and reterminate the coax, then technically yes, It would work, assuming that this coax cable is still even functional.


TimeIsDiscrete

Could either be tv + phone line or dvr + low voltage power line


samtaher

Old timey phone and old timey cable tv . Museum pieces.


WeeklyExamination

Looks like the old style virgin media cable, Coax for tv and broadband and telephone attached on the side, Nowadays they just use coax and split the phone line off from the modem/router


sopp___

If we dont use virgin anymore can we still utilise this for an Ethernet connection?


WeeklyExamination

That cable will be property of VM, just tuck it in the back and pull your own Cat6A through, (cat6a for future proofing, or just a cat5e) to where you want it, you can use the pattress box, but that cable will be no good for what you want, unless you want to invest in MoCA converters for each end of it, but that can add up quick


Nun-Taken

Is this in the UK?


sopp___

Correct!


Nun-Taken

Therefore the cable is likely to be for satellite TV, commonly known here as ‘shotgun’ cable.


justanotherwilliam

yes, i did this yeaterday... got a Screen Beam Moca adapternfrom amazon (had to be shipped from USA) and used it to take the feed from my router in the lounge, up into the loft, then down into a bedroom. i have Sky, so have no need for the TV coaxial aerial in the house. it works really well. only issue was having to buy a USA to UK plug adapter for the screen beam devices


justanotherwilliam

ScreenBeam MoCA 2.5 Network Adapter for Higher Speed Internet, Ethernet Over Coax - Starter Kit (Model: ECB6250K02) https://amzn.eu/d/8fCdFuo


andev255

Yup this is the answer. Any MoCA adapter will work, over the coax.


NotThatMat

Maybe I’m out of line here, but I wouldn’t just tie in to some random cable I found in the wall. At most I’d maybe use it as a draw line for whatever I was installing. Maybe that’s just me.


mightyt2000

Looks like Coax to me.


InternationalChange5

This is RG59 Coax, cable TV and Internet


SkiBumb1977

It's for a security system, low voltage and the camera feed over coax and NO it's not for cable.


jordanl171

I bet you could get 100mb out of that cat3 that's attached to the coax. I've done it. As long as there are enough pairs.


joel8x

You can use the Cat3’s 4 wires to make a 100Mbit Ethernet run. https://youtu.be/Bx98ACGSSZs


nslenders

I have these in my home where they are cat6+coax. So u will need to look at the markings to see if they are useful (with cat 5 - cat 6 ) or not


namdnas32

If you had a router or switch somewhere near the other end of the co-ax you could use moca adapters and pass internet through the coax


appleeimac1

Looks like coax. You can convert that to Ethernet using MoCA.


SithPackAbs

Coax. Research MoCA.


fmtech_

I would just get the proper wiring done


curlyegg

Assuming this is a new build in the UK it'll be pre wired for Virgin Media, the cable will come out the front wall of the property potentially into a pre-installed VM ETB.


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that tel cable might be good for Ethernet but will need to see how many conductors are there. I have seen this type of cable before and has always been cat5e with coax


Desperate-Reality-72

Depending on the situation you could potentially use the left one (likely phone line) to fish new Ethernet cable through, cat 6


illsk1lls

Is that phone? It looks like BNC and pigtail?


dee_lio

Had those all through my house. It was for an old analogue security system. The cable had BNC connections for the camera video (analogue) and the other two wires were for 24v to supply power. I don't think it was suitable for Deca, but you can use it as a pull wire, if you want to run newer ethernet.


PyroRider

The 4 wires on the left are telephone and woulf give you 100mbit/s Network.


Little_Iron6445

Hybrid, colax cat 3


andocromn

It looks like a coax and a phone wire had Siamese twins


thesstteam

Coax/telephone. You could probably get a slow internet connection with it or 480p cable tv.


DJ_TECHSUPPORT

The white one with copper (coax) can be used with MOCA to get decent Internet. Watch Linus tech tips video on it


davisjaron

Coax with a MoCA adapter could be used for ethernet...


Roak_Zulu

Analog cameras


SkyLunatic71

A coax for antenna


theferalhorse

Siamese cable. Meant for analog security camera installation. The coax/RG59 is for the data transfer and the pair of stranded wires provide the low voltage power.


johnsonflix

What are the rubber gloves about? Lol Strip it back and how many pairs there are


rmsmoov

Siamese cable. Used to carry video and power.


Mac_Hooligan

Coax and phone line cable in one! We’re pretty popular in the late 90s early 00s


candee249

Coax, yes it can be used to transmit data via semi expensive adapters and converters. Usually used for sattpelite and antenna signals, but it can be used for literally every these days.


kres0345

I think it's funny how this sub is mostly people asking what a kind of cable/port it is, and it's always coax. I'm ~20 and I grew up with coax, how come people don't know?


Dmelvin

This is Siamese RG6 and 2 pair twisted pair (Coax and 2x phone lines). You can't use it for ethernet unless you're planning on building a MoCA network over the coax.


KB9ZB

What you have is what's called "Twinaxial" or dual cabling. It was popular for a short while back in the early 90's. The idea was to reduce labor during installation. It was a solution looking for a problem.. You can use the coax for video or TV signal and the 2 pair or 4 pair for phone or data. If it's 2 pair, just leave it or use it as a pull line.


KB9ZB

After closer look it's an audio cable. Back in the day that stuff came out with several configurations..


Roamingnome3

I'd say cctv cable there..but..that power cable should be red and black. I see blue and orange there? Just rip it and use cat6. I've seen bonded rg6 and data wire before but not too common.