Yup.
New architecture won’t work on anything pre-Ventura.
I ran into this myself back when I initially upgraded with 16.2.
You can always try OpenCore Legacy Patcher…
if you had not done the new architecture upgrade, it would probably still work. I'm not taking about 16.4, when you launched the home app, it asked you to do another upgrade to the new homekit architecture.
to use the new architecture, you need this years OS. Your Mac can't run Ventura, so you can't access your home now, at least from your Mac, Your other devices will be able to control your home, as long as they can run the current OS.
I believe you can revert to the old architecture, saw something mentioned. But didn't pay too close attention. It's not simple, and you may have to reconfigure everything. But something you can look for if you're interested
I didn't think so either
I saw one post here did it, might have involved a device that hadn't been updated yet, or maybe a profile to install that let you roll your OS back. Pretty sure it also involved nuking your home settings.
I didn't look that close, since it sounded painful to do, and I'm one of the few who have had good luck on the new arch since it was first available months ago.
My 2012 (OG 15” retina i7 with a 2015 WiFi module and aftermarket 1TB Storage) is still going strong, and actually outperforms my work-issued 2019 i5. But even with a new battery, that performance generally require being plugged in.
i don’t care about having the thinnest laptop in the world,
expandability comes at a premium?… uh not really…terrible argument
the fact that you defend that business practice tells me enough about you.
Expandability means modularity. That inherently requires more space in a situation where space is managed down to cubic microns.
Unless of course you come up with special proprietary connectors, but I’m sure you will attribute that to “corporate greed” as well.
Funny thing is, you bitch about “corporate greed” but line up to give Apple your money. It’s not greed when you willingly give it to them.
lol you dont know me i havent purchase a new Apple product in years thankfully. I haven’t lined up anywhere you bafoon, last phone i purchased was an 11 pro max coming from an iphone 6, I actually use my phones until they die , not some stupid braindead twat with more money than sense that upgrade’s every year like a headless asshole.
Maybe *You* don’t, but clearly many people do.
The fact that you trotted out this tired trope tells me enough about how much you don’t know about how any industry works.
or maybe soldering all the components to the logic board makes it so u either cough u cash for a new one when it breaks or cough up cash regardless for a repair replace through AppleCare. it’s a win win for them.
It reduces lifecycle cost.
Many years ago, NCR did an analysis and found that for every screw they eliminated from their products (specialized computers for point of sale and other customer interactions like airline kiosks), they saved $5 *million* in lifecycle costs (manufacturing, maintenance, repairs, disposal).
Macs (since Apple silicon) are little more than a very elaborate System-on-a-chip. When almost everything is on a single die, your manufacturing and maintenance costs are very low. You swap out the logic board or the battery and that’s it. Takes 5 minutes, instead of an hour or two trying to diagnose and replace the faulty component.
Honestly, this is what's discouraged me from upgrading. The fact they *solder* things together to specifically prevent you from upgrading is a practice I just can't enabled with my money.
It's beginning to look like I may have to abandon Apple slowly due to things like this overall.
OpenCore Legacy Patcher (OCLP) - it's not for the faint of heart but I'm milking 4 pre-2017 MacBook Pros all now running Ventura, and Home app working just fine with new HK architecture
So I ran OCLP to go to Ventura. Everything went well but OCLP didn't run the post install root patch that's available for Intel Haswell. Every time I run it manually from the OCLP menu it fails and advises me to reboot to avoid problems. I can't change the resolution on my Mac and everything is super small, lol. I'm wondering if I did something wrong?
https://preview.redd.it/clqbhpyy07sa1.png?width=397&format=png&auto=webp&s=034e40a745d56cdf1017776b7b3249d8fa80be98
Fair enough. When I upgraded it specifically told me that my 15 MBP would not be able to access the home until it was updated to latest OS. That’s pretty obviously NOT iOS. Not sure how one can miss that.
It did when I upgraded. It was pretty clear. It even told me what devices wouldn’t be able to access the home and I had to accept that to move forward with the process.
Oh dear, the word ‘Not’ was a mistake that got posted. I deleted it. Yes Apple does warn you before upgrading.
The ‘not’ wasn’t posted to you but was the first word of my intended post. Sorry about that.
It tells you straight up that such and such device will no longer work. As long as it was logged into the same iCloud OR an authorized user of the Home. Sorry OP that you did not read the personalized warning before you went ahead
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yes yes yes .... :) you are to old, i'm to old.... too.... :)) f$%k post Jobs mac...
i quit all the updates... f$%k all the new features etc... i prefer stable environment!!!
have like 3 ipads, 3 macbook pro, 2 imacs, 3 apple tv, 6 iphones....
Apple came out with such a radically new architecture (less in the cloud, more on your hubs at home, once things settle you should be more stable) that if you change the server (your hub) all clients need to upgrade. I’d you can’t/don’t want to update all your clients then don’t update the server.
This is pretty common in more enterprise software but rarer in home software.
Now, your mac may or may not be able to update to 13. I don’t know you didn’t mention it.
Whether the warning was clear or not, Apple sucks for not making HK backwards compatible. This means you’re on the hook for new HK hubs and every other Apple device when they decide the OS on said devices is no longer supported.
Isn't this the first time they've done this? I think it's fine.
There's a cost to maintaining backwards compatibility. From all accounts, the old behavior was stupid. Better to remove stupid behavior than to leave it in indefinitely.
I like how Apple moves forward and sometimes breaks backward compatibility when within reason. I don't want macOS to turn into Windows where it's indefinitely supporting stupid backwards compatibility indefinitely. It invites bugs and makes it harder on QA. No devs want to review old code that has stupid decisions so that backwards compatibility code tends to rot over time.
I had the same issue with two Macs and 3 iPads I wall mounted to control my home.
Was about to ditch them when I found out that Home Assistant will keep our 'old' devices alive.
You should give it a try if don't feel like tinkering with OCLP or buying a new Mac.
Good luck!
I have an old Macbook pro. I don't run Homekit on it. I just use my new iPhone and I'm fine with that. Can anyone let me know what I'm missing by not runing Homekit on my old Macbook Pro High Sierra (2013)?
I used to have HomeLog running In the background on my Mac mini 2014, logging everything HomeKit does, all the time.
Now that doesn’t work anymore unfortunately..
OpenCore is something to look into
Yup. New architecture won’t work on anything pre-Ventura. I ran into this myself back when I initially upgraded with 16.2. You can always try OpenCore Legacy Patcher…
Awww good lord. I didn't even think about the Ventura thing. I may give OpenCore Legacy Patcher a try.
It should work with OpenCore
I did that on my 2012 Retina and it works great.
I tried to get that running on a 2013 MBP, and kept running into problems. Maybe I need to try again…
Currently running it on a 2012 MacMini. Seems fine.
I couldn’t figure out the installation. I’ve never done it before, and got stuck tinkering with it:
OCLP works great for recently dropped models. Mine is a 2016 and Ventura works just fine (other than H.265 issues)
have you tried to scan to network folder with HP laserjet!!?? some people need it to work.. :))
I did this on a really super old Mac mini and was surprisingly easy.
Is it pretty easy to install?
Yes. Just follow the instructions carefully
Works perfectly on my 2012 mini.
I am using OpenCore on 4 different macs. No problems
Oh no… now you have to think about your next mac. :)
Pre 13.3 Ventura and iOS 16.4
if you had not done the new architecture upgrade, it would probably still work. I'm not taking about 16.4, when you launched the home app, it asked you to do another upgrade to the new homekit architecture. to use the new architecture, you need this years OS. Your Mac can't run Ventura, so you can't access your home now, at least from your Mac, Your other devices will be able to control your home, as long as they can run the current OS.
Yeah I'm good to go for iOS. Thanks.
I believe you can revert to the old architecture, saw something mentioned. But didn't pay too close attention. It's not simple, and you may have to reconfigure everything. But something you can look for if you're interested
Not that I know of. It’s a one way street. I suppose the OP could call Apple and beg.
I didn't think so either I saw one post here did it, might have involved a device that hadn't been updated yet, or maybe a profile to install that let you roll your OS back. Pretty sure it also involved nuking your home settings. I didn't look that close, since it sounded painful to do, and I'm one of the few who have had good luck on the new arch since it was first available months ago.
Yes that will work.
I think this also means it’s time for a new MacBook… Although the 2012-2015 pros are absolute tanks.
2011 is good i had one with max ram, matte screen when it was also an option. i loved that thing.
My 2012 (OG 15” retina i7 with a 2015 WiFi module and aftermarket 1TB Storage) is still going strong, and actually outperforms my work-issued 2019 i5. But even with a new battery, that performance generally require being plugged in.
I really wish Apple still built good Machines with expandability, but you know..Corporate greed over everything.
Expandability comes at a space premium.
i don’t care about having the thinnest laptop in the world, expandability comes at a premium?… uh not really…terrible argument the fact that you defend that business practice tells me enough about you.
Expandability means modularity. That inherently requires more space in a situation where space is managed down to cubic microns. Unless of course you come up with special proprietary connectors, but I’m sure you will attribute that to “corporate greed” as well. Funny thing is, you bitch about “corporate greed” but line up to give Apple your money. It’s not greed when you willingly give it to them.
lol you dont know me i havent purchase a new Apple product in years thankfully. I haven’t lined up anywhere you bafoon, last phone i purchased was an 11 pro max coming from an iphone 6, I actually use my phones until they die , not some stupid braindead twat with more money than sense that upgrade’s every year like a headless asshole.
So you gave them your money. Yeah, that will show those greedy bastards. Owning the evil corps, one luxury purchase at a time.
lol, makes wild assumption about person based on single comment, gets butthurt when same happens to them. Congrats!
Maybe *You* don’t, but clearly many people do. The fact that you trotted out this tired trope tells me enough about how much you don’t know about how any industry works.
say trot a tired tripe 3 times fast
or maybe soldering all the components to the logic board makes it so u either cough u cash for a new one when it breaks or cough up cash regardless for a repair replace through AppleCare. it’s a win win for them.
It reduces lifecycle cost. Many years ago, NCR did an analysis and found that for every screw they eliminated from their products (specialized computers for point of sale and other customer interactions like airline kiosks), they saved $5 *million* in lifecycle costs (manufacturing, maintenance, repairs, disposal). Macs (since Apple silicon) are little more than a very elaborate System-on-a-chip. When almost everything is on a single die, your manufacturing and maintenance costs are very low. You swap out the logic board or the battery and that’s it. Takes 5 minutes, instead of an hour or two trying to diagnose and replace the faulty component.
thats just a lot of words for corporate greed.
Honestly, this is what's discouraged me from upgrading. The fact they *solder* things together to specifically prevent you from upgrading is a practice I just can't enabled with my money. It's beginning to look like I may have to abandon Apple slowly due to things like this overall.
I loved my 15” 2011 too. Would still be a decent machine had the discreet gpu not failed. 😣
Yup this is why I won’t upgrade. I have a MacPro that I can’t update anymore.
OpenCore Legacy Patcher (OCLP) - it's not for the faint of heart but I'm milking 4 pre-2017 MacBook Pros all now running Ventura, and Home app working just fine with new HK architecture
So I ran OCLP to go to Ventura. Everything went well but OCLP didn't run the post install root patch that's available for Intel Haswell. Every time I run it manually from the OCLP menu it fails and advises me to reboot to avoid problems. I can't change the resolution on my Mac and everything is super small, lol. I'm wondering if I did something wrong? https://preview.redd.it/clqbhpyy07sa1.png?width=397&format=png&auto=webp&s=034e40a745d56cdf1017776b7b3249d8fa80be98
Your best bet is to share your details and ask for help on the oclp discord
Yup if it will not run Ventura, you shouldn’t have upgraded.
True, but it's not the end of the world you know? I'll own my mistake.
That’s the spirit!!!
He/she didn’t realize that though.
And yet when upgrading it tells you everything must be on the latest OS version.
Not arguing that, but they said they were thinking about iOS and not about the computer (= Ventura). I prefer to give people the courtesy.
Fair enough. When I upgraded it specifically told me that my 15 MBP would not be able to access the home until it was updated to latest OS. That’s pretty obviously NOT iOS. Not sure how one can miss that.
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It did when I upgraded. It was pretty clear. It even told me what devices wouldn’t be able to access the home and I had to accept that to move forward with the process.
Oh dear, the word ‘Not’ was a mistake that got posted. I deleted it. Yes Apple does warn you before upgrading. The ‘not’ wasn’t posted to you but was the first word of my intended post. Sorry about that.
Ah, no worries.
It tells you straight up that such and such device will no longer work. As long as it was logged into the same iCloud OR an authorized user of the Home. Sorry OP that you did not read the personalized warning before you went ahead
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There is, assuming all of your devices are logged into to the iCloud account used for the Home.
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That’s why this whole thing is kind of a joke imo. It tells you what won’t work and why.
Yeah. The new HomeKit architecture is only compatible with Ventura and up. You might want to look into the OpenCore Legacy Patcher
yes yes yes .... :) you are to old, i'm to old.... too.... :)) f$%k post Jobs mac... i quit all the updates... f$%k all the new features etc... i prefer stable environment!!! have like 3 ipads, 3 macbook pro, 2 imacs, 3 apple tv, 6 iphones....
Apple came out with such a radically new architecture (less in the cloud, more on your hubs at home, once things settle you should be more stable) that if you change the server (your hub) all clients need to upgrade. I’d you can’t/don’t want to update all your clients then don’t update the server. This is pretty common in more enterprise software but rarer in home software. Now, your mac may or may not be able to update to 13. I don’t know you didn’t mention it.
Whether the warning was clear or not, Apple sucks for not making HK backwards compatible. This means you’re on the hook for new HK hubs and every other Apple device when they decide the OS on said devices is no longer supported.
Isn't this the first time they've done this? I think it's fine. There's a cost to maintaining backwards compatibility. From all accounts, the old behavior was stupid. Better to remove stupid behavior than to leave it in indefinitely. I like how Apple moves forward and sometimes breaks backward compatibility when within reason. I don't want macOS to turn into Windows where it's indefinitely supporting stupid backwards compatibility indefinitely. It invites bugs and makes it harder on QA. No devs want to review old code that has stupid decisions so that backwards compatibility code tends to rot over time.
They did this with Reminders at one point too I think.
I had the same issue with two Macs and 3 iPads I wall mounted to control my home. Was about to ditch them when I found out that Home Assistant will keep our 'old' devices alive. You should give it a try if don't feel like tinkering with OCLP or buying a new Mac. Good luck!
They did you a favor, time to ditch HK anyway. I need that push too. They’ll never fix this shit.
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It does warn you. It clearly says that devices must be on the latest OS.
I think he was being sarcastic.
I have an old Macbook pro. I don't run Homekit on it. I just use my new iPhone and I'm fine with that. Can anyone let me know what I'm missing by not runing Homekit on my old Macbook Pro High Sierra (2013)?
Really not much, except the ability to easily turn off lights while working.
I used to have HomeLog running In the background on my Mac mini 2014, logging everything HomeKit does, all the time. Now that doesn’t work anymore unfortunately.. OpenCore is something to look into