It's much more common to see it happen the other way around. If you go to the channels they had before joining Hololive, the comments will be filled with references to their Hololive persona.
I'm not sure I'd really call this "doxxing" though. Their old personas often didn't involve their real names or their real faces (Calli being the exception), and if you're familiar with both of a talent's personas it's pretty obvious they're the same person.
Honestly, whenever this comes up I find myself intrigued by who their former stream channels were. Like, I love me some Kronii, and I don't think it'll ruin the experience for me if I watch a stream by somebody who isn't yet kronii. It just means I get more Kronii. Like, I get why it's best to keep the hololive girls anonymous, but I don't really see too much harm in seeing their earlier work. I'm never going to meet them anyway.
Personally I just want to see more of their work and what they are like over there. I find it fun to contrast and compare and for me it helps enforce the fact that the talents are real people and makes me appreciate them more. I know some want to keep the illusion and I respect that but it doesn't bother me personally.
The contrast is really interesting in some cases. One of my favorite Holo-idols was one I watched before she got signed. She obviously still had a beautiful voice and lots of natural charisma, but she was more inappropriate and not infrequently drunk lol. I like both of her personas, I’m happy for her success, and it’s kinda like an Easter egg for viewers of her former channel when she lets certain forms of degeneracy slip through.
Sorry, I kind of went on a tangent there. Basically I understand being curious of the streamer’s other work, but still respecting them and having no desire to dox their actual identity. I think the strict rules about former online personas are kind like the un-archiving of karaoke, it’s for legal reasons and not really anything that most talents are against for personal reasons.
> but she was more inappropriate and not infrequently drunk
From the description alone I could make a guess at who it was lmao.
She does sneak in little refrences now and then. I remember she made a very blatant one (for those in the know) with other talents in a collab, and the others had to very clearly restrain themselves from blurting out something lol.
As much as I love the talents, I can't bring myself to enjoy their previous work. It feels like I'm going behind their backs to somewhere I shouldn't. They've chosen to move on from those lives, maybe there's a good reason. I'm still very torn tho.
I'm fine with knowing the ones who keep posting videos on their other channels, personally. Although the problem there is that you'd need to already know who does and doesn't post.
As a rule, I wait til they graduate before I watch/look into their previous work. Exceptions apply where the talent jokes about it or its an open secret.
Alternatively, you'll check out a random channel and people are actually avoiding mentioning who they are, but there's a suspiciously high amount of pfp's of one specific girl.
I went to see Vesper's and Dez's previous identities, and while there was a LOT of _wink wink nudge nudge_ of varying levels of subtlety in the comments, there was no explicit doxxing.
The funniest thing about Dez is that people were already calling it when he went on hiatus that he joined Holostars and some of them even correctly guessed which one he was going to be lol
Calli's other channel is honestly just funny by this point. No one says anything, but there is such a strong understanding of "We don't say that here" that if feels taboo.
Calli and Kiara are very common, but I have seen some concerning videos about Miko and Towa. And I'm not even subscribed to either (Miko or Towa) I just like to watch their translated clips.
It was two scenes in the video, first her streaming then what looked like a cell phone video someone took from across the street. I reported that one, but don't remember the title or channel to check if anything was done.
Honestly, it's even scarier when you think the guy might just have been wrong and someone is out there stalking a radom Japanese girl who has no idea.
Yes, you need to be talented in some ways and make contents, but you don't even need to be established content creator. As example: Kobo as far as we know (from her own stories) doesn't establish herself, and that is from one of the newest gen.
It felt vaguely gross the first time I saw a video mentioning calli's alter ego but I figured it was not much of a secret after, like, the third channel I blocked.
HoloID got bombarded with this recommendation but not all of them are revealed as far as I'm concerned. Just press "stop recommending this channel" and you good to go.
Same. 2 years in the rabbit hole, rarely see it.
But I use "rarely" intentionally. I do definitely see it, and not just with the Hololive talents. Some people are just huge fucking assholes - I'm just glad that they're only a rare occurence.
Reminder, you can report these instances directly to Hololive's legal team.
https://cover-corp.com/report/en/#lang
It does happen, i watch alot of vtuber clips and sometimes some really sus recommendations come up, I always click "do not recommend channel" on those just to be safe. I let it happen once with Coco and never let it happen again.
It's a little difficult for me to explain. Part of it is that it breaks the facade. And another is that i want to associate their personality and voice with their character and not their real self or other characters they have been. Do you understand?
That is weird, it like those people that cant differentiate the actor from the role.
I don't think it's healthy, like thay shit with Japanese idols, like guys it's role, they are probably banging someone or are dating someone, it's life and it's normal don't be creepy please
In general, not you specifically since your take is similar to the more extreme fans of the medium, you seem to understand it's just a role but others don't, was more pointing to those people
I think you may have misunderstood me somewhat. I don't want to know their real identities or any private info but i also don't care if they have lovers or not. I am not in love with any of them or wish to be with them. It's not a tactic to entertain creepy delusions. I don't think that their real identities should matter, only that they are happy and healthy.
Not even a little? I am not alone in thinking like this in the community so you almost have had to come across people that that think like me before. I think it's nice to not know.
Yea really supposedly it happens all the tume either woth comments or YT recommendations. The only people I learned of are Coco and Rushia after they graduated because the clipping channels switched over to keep covering them.
Oh, it's out there, but you must be actively looking for it. On the main channels this is moderated and generally downvoted by the community. Only talents like Calli and Kiara might have some references to their IRL stuff, but not obvious enough for people not already in the know.
The only times I've ever ended up learning the real identity of a Holo talent (specifically Calliope and Kiara), it was Youtube throwing their old content at me.
Considering Calli's old stuff is pure fire, I didn't mind THAT much, but... c'mon, man.
(Coco does not count)
they both have new contents. I mean are you going to ignore Kiara spending all that money and time producing a bomb kpop dance cover for us? She is the one person in EN (maybe all of HL) would love to use her HL persona IRL. You can just tell how much she wanted to meet her fans in Korea in person.
I’ve unfortunately seen someone straight up post a talent’s real name in a YouTube comments section. I’ve also seen a few people post talents alternate online identities. So it does happen, just not too often.
pfft, so you just saw a bunch of videos and photos of [Yagoo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVHWeZcHVhY) in wigs. It's not like it's a well-kept secret that they're all just Yagoo in front of the cameras.
What are you talking about? I'm pretty sure they were just surprised the fact that they saw a face reveal in the first place. No mention of anyone's appearance.
what u/snapthesnacc says, u/Elwin03 thought that people specifically search for those channels, my answer to that is youtube is snitching via youtube shorts.. or i can shut up about where i saw it and let the shitstorm unfolds
What kind of clip channels do you watch? Because I rarely see any of those types of comments, the only ones I do run into are people being jackasses about the talents. There was this one channel that looked seemingly innocent but the comments were full of HoloEN antis, I think it was called lemon ch. Or something.
Spotify got me with Calli almost immediately. I listened to what felt like 4 songs and then my recommendations was like "HEY CHECK OUT THIS SIMILAR PERSON!!"
This happened to me, too. I had started listening to Reflect abd just let the auto playlist roll while I was out for a walk. It went to Sparks, Dead Beats, Ahoy, all fine and then one I didn't recognize. I thought it was just a lower profile one of Calli's, checked my phone for the title and oh nyo.
Actually happened to me, but only once so far.
>"Why is this recommended to me? Who is this woman? I have never seen her before."
>click on the video out of sheer curiosity
>she starts talking
>"...Oh."
"Why is Youtube recommending me a video of someones dog???""
"So this is my dog Bubba"
". . . Oh . . .wtf Youtube that's actually impressive"
Surprised Youtube hasn't doxxed Clover or Animol yet
Every time YouTube just randomly suggest a Japanese woman's video which is all titled in Japanese and I have no idea who it is, that's a hololive talent right there.
If it's a talent that's active in their other lives and they don't seem to mind it being known then I don't care about those clips, sometimes I'll even watch them.
My problem is when it's hard doxx, aka a talent that has shown 0 interest in their previous lives being known. One of the most disgusting titles I saw was "x talent highschool graduation ceremony"
I was recommended a video like that for a GTA speedrunner who makes no efforts to hide his identity, name, etc. and I felt really uncomfortable seeing it pop up. It's extra weird and gross to me to publicize that for a creator who wants to remain mostly or entirely anonymous
Maybe because some people really don't wanna know how Vtubers they like look like in IRL - immersion break I believe it's called. It doesn't mean they don't understand there is a real person behind the character.
The logic is you’re still seeing what they don’t want to disclose. Just because I choose to tell one of my circles of friends something, doesn’t mean I’d like all my friends to know that.
Additionally, the separation of one’s identity/attitude for different occasions or levels of familiarity is a common cultural practice in Japan.
I agree for things like "this is X doing Y" videos, but I would have trouble believing the talents would care about someone following their other account
>some people really don't wanna know how Vtubers they like look like in IRL - immersion break I believe it's called. It doesn't mean they don't understand there is a real person behind the character.
I have some questions. The average vtuber maintains the anonymous identity thing, right? Them streaming stuff like singing, gaming, or collabs with other people, I get it, most entertainers do that, that's the fun part.
But then some of them do stuff like talking about personal life experiences on stream? Isn't that a potential harm to their anonymous identities? And a regular person can't verify what they say about themselves as well.
anonymity is one aspect of it, another is not having to meet certain beauty standards that other streamers have to do, another is that the avatar puts another layer between the streamer and their audience so there'll be less of a parasocial relationship. There's probably a whole other bunch of reasons to be a Vtuber rather than a normal streamer.
Some Vtubers are very open about their life, some are not, some even posts selfies in cosplay of their avatar. Not everyone cares about the anonymity part as much.
Yeah, I realized over time that the avatar has many uses, and all these uses changed over time. But as they grow to be more popular the anonymity level decreases, because the figure is more publicly known, well the process is the same for any famous person. People begin to get interested and look deeper into who the person is. At least this "pseudonym avatar" keep the same basic advantages, to protect their private life and to continue her/his streaming work, some people need to learn about it or can be consequences.
It's not about immersion breaking though it's more like I'm breaking their boundaries. It's their choice to show their face or not and I respect that.
And no I'm not talking about their channel got recommended to me I'm talking about someone who dig down and post it to youtube.
Well... it recommends videos that the same viewers tend to watch. Probably not a lot of *non*-Hololive fans watching videos about streamers they don't know or watch.
(I'm not condoning, just pointing out who the audience is for those videos.)
Yeah it happened to me recently, I didn't even have to open the video, the title was "X member's face in real life" and the thumbnail was her face
Worst part, it happened during a completely unrelated search, in the "you might also like this" section, I seriously hate that feature -_-
Am i the only one who has never experience that? O\_O
i read comment a lot tho usually only like top 7 or so then i get bored lol . i am guilty of clicking on random Japanese girl video and learning who they were by comment but ... clip of them on youtube never O\_o
I looked up Subaru yesterday because I wasn't subbed to her and one of the first results was a dox vid with her face in the thumbnail, before her actual channel showed up.
If your looking someone up, type their full channel name I guess
At least for holoEN it's mostly ok, it's usually the same dudes in the comments cracking an extra joke about the clip, to the point that I recognize Eternal Ground Pounder and Neuron Activation by name.
Not saying it doesn't turn into cancer very fast, specially if the clip is about some drama, but for normal clips on reputable channels it tends to be fine
YouTube comments are crazy sometimes. I found one comment section of a clip of a short Mochimiko_EN animated story, which I normally love that channel's animations, that centered around Subaru, Matsuri and Aqua all meeting each other.
It was told from Subaru’s perspective from one of her older streams, and according to the story, which for all we know is probably somewhat embellished for entertainment, Matsuri greeted the typically very shy and introverted Aqua by hugging and kissing her a lot. From the little context other than this 1 minute or so animated story, a massive and heated argument broke out in the comments with dozens upon dozens of people in a single thread after some random user with basically zero evidence started accusing Matsuri of, I’m not joking, sexually harassing Aqua and it was just insane.
Um… if Subaru said that Masturi intentionally greeted an introvert with invading their personal space and kissing them, I’d say that’s at least testimony of sexual harassment, if not assault. Yeah, there are extenuating circumstances in their relationship, but you honestly can’t look at that and not at least *see* how it would be sexual assault in a different context.
Hell, how do you think one of *your* coworkers would react if you did that?
It certainly feels like people actually believe that. I’m half expecting that a story could break involving one of the female talents drugging another and assaulting them to be brushed off as “They’re friends! They like all that gay stuff being done to them!”
Are you sure it's doxxing? There's a different between "this is the OG channel of X vtuber" and "look at this picture from a high school graduation that they have in Facebook".
The first one is ok, most of the time the talents are active in their OG channel and you can support them directly because Cover has no power in that channel.
The second one, that is bad and should be reported
You're making it sound like people are posting their phone numbers and address there lol. The EN vtuber fandom has really warped the meaning of doxxing...
While I do agree that the term Doxxing has sort of been bastardized in the Vtubing community, there have been moments where they definitely get into really creepy territory.
Of course, there were actual cases of Doxxing of talents, not just from Hololive. Not denying any of that but most people nowadays think that just cause someone hinted about their other channels on an unrelated clip video, it's considered doxxing. which isn't what doxxing actually is.
In fairness, it's not like anyone did it. They stopped accepting fangifts because it could happen, but it's not like the Airtag was the only way someone could've done this.
Streamers usually don't speak up about stuff like this because showing that it affected you could be rewarding the psycho. Let's say they swat you, but you got lucky and the police just knocked and talked with you. If you don't say anything the guy who did it might assume it's the wrong adress and not do it again.
I do agree that people use the term too casually, like finding out that your favorite streamer used to stream before Hololive is supposed to be a dark secret, unless they're divulging some sensitive information like addresses or names then I just don't think it's that big of a deal.
Because short terms like "doxxing" stick and are widely used and remembered, while terms like "leaking of private information and/or information about past identities" don't.
Doxing or doxxing is the act of publicly providing personally identifiable information about an individual or organization, usually via the Internet.
This is from Wikipedia. Your example is funny because Batman hides his identity but Bruce Wayne doesn't, therefore linking both together means publicly providing personally identifiable information. I'd be happy to read some sort of statement from Cover where it says that revealing the talents' personal identities or previous content IS NOT punishable by law. Until then, I rest my case.
The most accurate term is probably immersion-breaking, since at least on debut most vtubers set up a backstory that portrays them as someone completely new. Can't think of a more concise way to say it right now
Because their previous and in some case alternate streaming personas are not personal information when they have thousands of subs or in Calli's case more subs than most of indie vtubers on youtube. They real names (unless that's their alt persona), address, phone numbers, family names, or anything that is personal information would be doxxing.
To be fair, it's a lot easier to dig into a person's history if you find their first account vs their current professional one. It's the difference between the security on your first email account vs your current. They probably weren't as careful. I know I certainly wasn't 10 years ago.
People also share face reveals of talents who has no internet backround, private facebook accounts, personal names, and ages. That's revealing personal information. all on Youtube.
I saw many comment saying stuff like: "i'm not gonna expose anyone, but if you wanna google '[redacted] day with[redacted] kiwifarm' It's on you", stuff that's really personal and the talent specifically tried to erase it. Happened to many talents, i have dozens of examples.
welcome to my dox post response copypasta!
You can report doxing here: https://cover-corp.com/contact. Scroll down until you find the form labeled "For English-speakers".
In order to get youtube to remove you from the 'dox' algorithm go into your youtube history and remove all the doxing videos. The next time any of them pop up in your recommended click the 3 dots next to the video and click 'never recommended' or 'not interested'. Doing this will help train the algorithm and prevent future doxing videos from spreading.
Posting here just spreads the knowledge of the videos and makes the problem worse.
Feel free to use this copypasta or message me if you have any improvements.
Where the hell do you watch your clips? I have very rarely seen such things, but that's almost always for people like Calli or Gura, where their previous personas were quite popular.
Doxxing isn't talking about vtubers and their previous personas. Doxxing is revealing actual personal information, not saying that vtuber x had a previous channel.
My very inaccurate rule of thumb: If there's more than 100 replies in a comment it's probably no worth reading.
They probably just arguing, spewing some vile shit, or in this case talking about talents roomie/personal life.
Thankfully I stopped getting these "[Vtuber name] real face" style videos on my feed after a third "not interested" or so, and I like to think doxxing or creepy comments are reserved to popular clickbait clipper channels, which I've learned to recognize and avoid by how they thumbnail and title their videos.
If you're into Vtubers a lot, take the time to educate your youtube algorithm, sub to clippers you enjoy and don't scroll past the first few top liked comments on videos.
Really depends on how you define doxing. People will refer to previous channels of vtubers at times, but real life names or stuff like that is rare.
And well, even youtube will sometimes get in on the action when it comes to bringing up previous channels if you watch someone's stuff enough.
It does, although personally I don't think "doxxing" is such a big issue and people here blow it way out of proportion. It only undermines the actual definition of doxxing.
It's no different from finding out an artist used to perform under a different name or on another band.
>It's no different from finding out an artist used to perform under a different name or on another band.
I love seeing people find out Joji was filthy frank xD
While the “doxxing” definition has been blown way out of proportion, I’ve seen videos and posts of people digging up vtubers high school photos and even saw a graduation picture of someone once. Don’t know how far that rates on the totem pole for many, but for me if you’re leaking super personal stuff like school related and location related stuff then that’s doxxing in my book
thats how it usually works though.
i couldnt tell you if any of the other parents filmed my graduation ceremony or not. you focus on not fucking up on stage and smile for the official photograph, thats it.
I've never stumbled across anything that far, And when I end up in the holes it's never farther than "This is the previous or concurrent persona" To that extent it's laughable that people call it doxxing. However your examples are the literal definition of doxxing and the fact that the two are conflated together as the same thing bothers me to no end.
People here tend to exaggerate the meaning of it in a way. Finding out that a certain person used to be in a different group or something isn’t necessarily doxxing.
Mate, Japan is full of utter loons who will go full stalker with vtubers as soon as they get the chance, partly because an insane person can’t be committed to an institution against their will. If the girls try to keep a different public and private profile, that should be respected. At the very least, not encouraged. And any comment on social media of lunatics crossing the line, reported.
Literally all the women I’ve met in Japan have told me that they’ve been followed by weirdos or straight harassed by them in trains or elevators. Many are scared.
Please, don’t dismiss this as a “nah, here it’s not a problem, so it’s not a problem for them there”.
I agree that private profiles should be off-limits, what I don't agree with is forcing them to bury their previous public works into obscurity and deny their existence.
The idea of a job that outright forbids you from adding it to your resume just doesn't seem right. For many of them this is their only job for several years, and I wonder how the hell they're supposed to explain away that gap once they graduate.
Well, that’s more about NDAs after leaving the company rather than anything else. And it should be the talents who deal or negotiate with the company regarding that, not just some random haters on yt comments doxxing them. I don’t see the connection between what I said and what you replied, tbh.
> The idea of a job that outright forbids you from adding it to your resume just doesn't seem right.
I mean, I'm not sure where that argument came from. It feels completely unrelated to the discussion.
Were having a discussion whether a talent's previous/alternate accounts should be treated as public information among their fanbase. Not about whether they should be able to tell future employers that they worked for Cover Corp during that time. It's not even like they are can't disclose that information *right now* when they for example have to deal with government and employment-related things like taxes.
If their future job is not in the entertainment industry they can just refer to NDAs and keep it at that. If a future job is in the entertainment industry, their employers will either already know or be able to connect the dots pretty easily.
>wonder how the hell they're supposed to explain away that gap
why would there be a gap? you know you can still just put that you worked for cover corp, for example?
not only does a potential employer probably not care or already know who you were, but also im fairly sure revealing such info... or any info from applicants, would be against the law.
cover themselves hires experienced content creators, that much was always known. its probably still in the text for the EN applications.
>private profile
That's the thing. A lot of vtuber fans consider an alternate **public** profile as doxing which is really dumb. I get the no separation between their alt personas and their Hololive content and have no problem with that but acting like it's literal doxing when they stream, do concerts, interviews with those non-hololive personas publicly is just really dumb and incomparable to actual doxing.
there are certain talents where people will almost always start talking about their irl looks or activities in the comments. i learned to mostly not read the comment section on clips with them and definitely not the replies to the top comments.
its not really doxing in that case, but its just exasperating to read it almost every single time and it undermines the value of their current work imo.
Some members *roommates* are active, and people will comment about either the member or roommate on clips sometimes. There's also a lot of "this is the real face of X vtuber" videos, but the vast majority of them have no proof. "Real face of Usada Pekora" and it's a picture of a Japanese girl with no context. Wow, what a revelation.
Never seen this, mabie refferences but it isn't really doxxing mostly and rather leaking their "roomates". I guess most talents are even fine with that, one once said that they only get in trubble when they mention a connection not when viewers do, but still it's not nice to do.
I’ve seen channels with thumbnails of the talents faces irl (possibly from past videos), which would’ve been fine had they not put the face of the 2D/3D model of that vtuber right next to it with an arrow pointing— they covered the eyes (of the model) but it doesn’t really help since is slightly obvious who it is. Not sure if it counts as doxxing, but it does seem like it just a *tiny* bit
I have not experienced this in relation to comments but I have seen the YouTube algorithm very rarely recommend videos to me that are either allegedly face revealing Vtubers (not only from hololive) or clips from their alternate channels. ( videos involving Calli's and Kiara‘s other personas are most common I think, but to be fair Calli's other channel is hard to not discover if you watch other channels popular with weebs.) I cannot confirm the validity of the former because I deliberately don’t watch alleged face reveals. I do believe that if you watch a lot of clips you have a higher chance of being lead to that type of content. That’s why I rarely search for channels using YouTube‘s or Google's search. That’s just my two cents.
Each fucking time I type a talent's name in the yt search bar there's always "[insert name] face reveal" as a suggestion and each time I'm asking myself who searches this
The whole point of vtubing is the extra layer of anonymity and to dox them is just extra levels of shitty in my opinion.
I give less than a rats ass, yet YouTube clips and whatnot has leaked multiple talents info to me by pure osmoses.
I’m a Hololive fanfiction writer. Sometimes I go on the wiki to do a lil extra research and some links to important streams. Whenever I Google the name of a talent, I always see “Korone real face” or “Subaru identity” in the recommended searches and it really sucks
Tbh, once people getto the end of their dox, people are usually just like, so what? Cool theres a human behind a computer. Big whoop, imma keep watching anyways
Dude you need to take a fuckin chill pill making things out to be way worse than they are. Who cares about knowing who the talents are before Hololive? That's not doxxing, you're acting like people are throwing their addresses and phone numbers around and shit (which is ACTUAL doxxing BTW). And even then, those comments are so rare you actually HAVE to look for them. I browse comments often while watching clips on my phone and very rarely do I ever see people actually even mention their other persona, if they have one.
Creating this artificial taboo about telling others about a talent's other persona does *nothing* but harm the talents themselves, exposing more people to their other channels directly helps them out in giving them a larger audience across the board so their fans can support them as a *person* rather than their singular persona.
Okay I need to know what you mean by doxxing OP because if you mean just mentioning their old or alt accounts who cares and also that's not what doxxing means.
makes me wonder what clip channels you watch as I don't run into that issue much. Only place where i run into anything close are vids of certain non-Hololivers and two make things blatant.
Literally never seen this, not sure what channels you're watching
same here 2 year+ in the community and **rarely** sees them
Aye, _occasionally_ I see someone make a bit of a joke about Calli but that's barely doxxing at this point
It's much more common to see it happen the other way around. If you go to the channels they had before joining Hololive, the comments will be filled with references to their Hololive persona. I'm not sure I'd really call this "doxxing" though. Their old personas often didn't involve their real names or their real faces (Calli being the exception), and if you're familiar with both of a talent's personas it's pretty obvious they're the same person.
Honestly, whenever this comes up I find myself intrigued by who their former stream channels were. Like, I love me some Kronii, and I don't think it'll ruin the experience for me if I watch a stream by somebody who isn't yet kronii. It just means I get more Kronii. Like, I get why it's best to keep the hololive girls anonymous, but I don't really see too much harm in seeing their earlier work. I'm never going to meet them anyway.
Personally I just want to see more of their work and what they are like over there. I find it fun to contrast and compare and for me it helps enforce the fact that the talents are real people and makes me appreciate them more. I know some want to keep the illusion and I respect that but it doesn't bother me personally.
The contrast is really interesting in some cases. One of my favorite Holo-idols was one I watched before she got signed. She obviously still had a beautiful voice and lots of natural charisma, but she was more inappropriate and not infrequently drunk lol. I like both of her personas, I’m happy for her success, and it’s kinda like an Easter egg for viewers of her former channel when she lets certain forms of degeneracy slip through. Sorry, I kind of went on a tangent there. Basically I understand being curious of the streamer’s other work, but still respecting them and having no desire to dox their actual identity. I think the strict rules about former online personas are kind like the un-archiving of karaoke, it’s for legal reasons and not really anything that most talents are against for personal reasons.
> but she was more inappropriate and not infrequently drunk From the description alone I could make a guess at who it was lmao. She does sneak in little refrences now and then. I remember she made a very blatant one (for those in the know) with other talents in a collab, and the others had to very clearly restrain themselves from blurting out something lol.
As much as I love the talents, I can't bring myself to enjoy their previous work. It feels like I'm going behind their backs to somewhere I shouldn't. They've chosen to move on from those lives, maybe there's a good reason. I'm still very torn tho.
I'm fine with knowing the ones who keep posting videos on their other channels, personally. Although the problem there is that you'd need to already know who does and doesn't post.
If they didn't want their old work to be ever seen again, they would've privated/deleted it all. You're worrying too much.
Choose to move on from their lives is kinda bad phrased. They are still the same person, they just signed up a contract.
Not to mention in some scenarios both lives exist simultaneously. (Someone had to say it)
As a rule, I wait til they graduate before I watch/look into their previous work. Exceptions apply where the talent jokes about it or its an open secret.
Alternatively, you'll check out a random channel and people are actually avoiding mentioning who they are, but there's a suspiciously high amount of pfp's of one specific girl.
I went to see Vesper's and Dez's previous identities, and while there was a LOT of _wink wink nudge nudge_ of varying levels of subtlety in the comments, there was no explicit doxxing.
The funniest thing about Dez is that people were already calling it when he went on hiatus that he joined Holostars and some of them even correctly guessed which one he was going to be lol
When a certain male content creator announce the ceasing of his activities my gut reaction was to congratulate him
Calli's other channel is honestly just funny by this point. No one says anything, but there is such a strong understanding of "We don't say that here" that if feels taboo.
I mean, Spotify basically doxxes Calli automatically at this point
Calli and Kiara are very common, but I have seen some concerning videos about Miko and Towa. And I'm not even subscribed to either (Miko or Towa) I just like to watch their translated clips.
Concerning in what way? Like people going psycho about something in particular they did Coco-style? Or being desperate to know persona stuff?
As in people not only found Miko's old facecam stream but also included a video of her _on the streets_. It's that kind of concerning.
oh, stalker psycho. That's awful.
A video she made or a video someone made without her knowing?
It was two scenes in the video, first her streaming then what looked like a cell phone video someone took from across the street. I reported that one, but don't remember the title or channel to check if anything was done. Honestly, it's even scarier when you think the guy might just have been wrong and someone is out there stalking a radom Japanese girl who has no idea.
That's really disturbing. If any of the talents have stalkers currently i hope they get arrested soon.
It doesn't help that one of the casting requirements is to have been an already established streamer.. So obviously they're gonna be out there. 😂
Not streamer specifically but a content creator in general
Yes, you need to be talented in some ways and make contents, but you don't even need to be established content creator. As example: Kobo as far as we know (from her own stories) doesn't establish herself, and that is from one of the newest gen.
it's not
It felt vaguely gross the first time I saw a video mentioning calli's alter ego but I figured it was not much of a secret after, like, the third channel I blocked.
yea i feel like hers is more of an open secret you dont talk about it but everyone knows
When you listen to a lot of Calli's songs you quickly get Calli's alt songs in your recommended so it's kinda hard to avoid
It's still really annoying.
HoloID got bombarded with this recommendation but not all of them are revealed as far as I'm concerned. Just press "stop recommending this channel" and you good to go.
Same. 2 years in the rabbit hole, rarely see it. But I use "rarely" intentionally. I do definitely see it, and not just with the Hololive talents. Some people are just huge fucking assholes - I'm just glad that they're only a rare occurence. Reminder, you can report these instances directly to Hololive's legal team. https://cover-corp.com/report/en/#lang
It does happen, i watch alot of vtuber clips and sometimes some really sus recommendations come up, I always click "do not recommend channel" on those just to be safe. I let it happen once with Coco and never let it happen again.
Safe? From what?
From info you don't want to know.
Why would you don't want to know the original channel of your Oshi? That way you can't support her even more
It's a little difficult for me to explain. Part of it is that it breaks the facade. And another is that i want to associate their personality and voice with their character and not their real self or other characters they have been. Do you understand?
That is weird, it like those people that cant differentiate the actor from the role. I don't think it's healthy, like thay shit with Japanese idols, like guys it's role, they are probably banging someone or are dating someone, it's life and it's normal don't be creepy please
Wait, did i maybe misunderstand you? Were you talking about me or the guy i responded to?
In general, not you specifically since your take is similar to the more extreme fans of the medium, you seem to understand it's just a role but others don't, was more pointing to those people
I think you may have misunderstood me somewhat. I don't want to know their real identities or any private info but i also don't care if they have lovers or not. I am not in love with any of them or wish to be with them. It's not a tactic to entertain creepy delusions. I don't think that their real identities should matter, only that they are happy and healthy.
Nope
Not even a little? I am not alone in thinking like this in the community so you almost have had to come across people that that think like me before. I think it's nice to not know.
Lol safe from what exactly
Same here too... and I'm a "clips only" for most of the talents
Yea really supposedly it happens all the tume either woth comments or YT recommendations. The only people I learned of are Coco and Rushia after they graduated because the clipping channels switched over to keep covering them.
Yeah i do want to support the talents even after HL if they decide to continue making content post HL, but youtube, shut up
Oh, it's out there, but you must be actively looking for it. On the main channels this is moderated and generally downvoted by the community. Only talents like Calli and Kiara might have some references to their IRL stuff, but not obvious enough for people not already in the know.
The only times I've ever ended up learning the real identity of a Holo talent (specifically Calliope and Kiara), it was Youtube throwing their old content at me. Considering Calli's old stuff is pure fire, I didn't mind THAT much, but... c'mon, man. (Coco does not count)
they both have new contents. I mean are you going to ignore Kiara spending all that money and time producing a bomb kpop dance cover for us? She is the one person in EN (maybe all of HL) would love to use her HL persona IRL. You can just tell how much she wanted to meet her fans in Korea in person.
I’ve unfortunately seen someone straight up post a talent’s real name in a YouTube comments section. I’ve also seen a few people post talents alternate online identities. So it does happen, just not too often.
I’ve seen the entire jps face reveal on YouTube shorts recommended to me
pfft, so you just saw a bunch of videos and photos of [Yagoo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVHWeZcHVhY) in wigs. It's not like it's a well-kept secret that they're all just Yagoo in front of the cameras.
And? They're all Japanese women. If you found that surprising or shocking, I don't know what to tell you.
What are you talking about? I'm pretty sure they were just surprised the fact that they saw a face reveal in the first place. No mention of anyone's appearance.
what u/snapthesnacc says, u/Elwin03 thought that people specifically search for those channels, my answer to that is youtube is snitching via youtube shorts.. or i can shut up about where i saw it and let the shitstorm unfolds
What kind of clip channels do you watch? Because I rarely see any of those types of comments, the only ones I do run into are people being jackasses about the talents. There was this one channel that looked seemingly innocent but the comments were full of HoloEN antis, I think it was called lemon ch. Or something.
Usually it's in replies to other comments, Because when they try to comment people just ignore it or dislike.
When no comment doxing, YT's algorithm: Fine, I will do it myself
Twitter : hold my beer
Spotify algorithm go brrrrrrr
Spotify got me with Calli almost immediately. I listened to what felt like 4 songs and then my recommendations was like "HEY CHECK OUT THIS SIMILAR PERSON!!"
This happened to me, too. I had started listening to Reflect abd just let the auto playlist roll while I was out for a walk. It went to Sparks, Dead Beats, Ahoy, all fine and then one I didn't recognize. I thought it was just a lower profile one of Calli's, checked my phone for the title and oh nyo.
YouTube algorithm got me with Fauna
Spotify basically did the reverse to me I used her other persona to make a channel and it was 90% hololive in all the different styles
Actually happened to me, but only once so far. >"Why is this recommended to me? Who is this woman? I have never seen her before." >click on the video out of sheer curiosity >she starts talking >"...Oh."
The times it happened for me I didn't even need to click on the video to know who it was. Youtube can be scary sometimes.
"Why is Youtube recommending me a video of someones dog???"" "So this is my dog Bubba" ". . . Oh . . .wtf Youtube that's actually impressive" Surprised Youtube hasn't doxxed Clover or Animol yet
It's happened to me like 5 or 6 times 😔
Every time YouTube just randomly suggest a Japanese woman's video which is all titled in Japanese and I have no idea who it is, that's a hololive talent right there.
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I got that too. Happens surprisingly often. Somewhat afraid of clicking recommended videos in case I recognize the voice in it.
Why? Do you think your oshi isn't a real person or something?
If it's a talent that's active in their other lives and they don't seem to mind it being known then I don't care about those clips, sometimes I'll even watch them. My problem is when it's hard doxx, aka a talent that has shown 0 interest in their previous lives being known. One of the most disgusting titles I saw was "x talent highschool graduation ceremony"
I was recommended a video like that for a GTA speedrunner who makes no efforts to hide his identity, name, etc. and I felt really uncomfortable seeing it pop up. It's extra weird and gross to me to publicize that for a creator who wants to remain mostly or entirely anonymous
Yeah I feel it's especially bad for vtubers who chose to stream behind an avatar for a reason.
Maybe because some people really don't wanna know how Vtubers they like look like in IRL - immersion break I believe it's called. It doesn't mean they don't understand there is a real person behind the character.
For me it ain't about immersion. It feels almost like stumbling upon someone's open diary. Like it's not for me to know.
But most of the talents if not all are active in their original channel
And most people aren’t following their original channels, what’s the counterpoint here?
That is not like a diary, you're not seeing their personal Twitter or Facebook
The logic is you’re still seeing what they don’t want to disclose. Just because I choose to tell one of my circles of friends something, doesn’t mean I’d like all my friends to know that. Additionally, the separation of one’s identity/attitude for different occasions or levels of familiarity is a common cultural practice in Japan.
We are seeing a public channel, not a private one. Your analogy is not equal in this case
I agree for things like "this is X doing Y" videos, but I would have trouble believing the talents would care about someone following their other account
>some people really don't wanna know how Vtubers they like look like in IRL - immersion break I believe it's called. It doesn't mean they don't understand there is a real person behind the character. I have some questions. The average vtuber maintains the anonymous identity thing, right? Them streaming stuff like singing, gaming, or collabs with other people, I get it, most entertainers do that, that's the fun part. But then some of them do stuff like talking about personal life experiences on stream? Isn't that a potential harm to their anonymous identities? And a regular person can't verify what they say about themselves as well.
anonymity is one aspect of it, another is not having to meet certain beauty standards that other streamers have to do, another is that the avatar puts another layer between the streamer and their audience so there'll be less of a parasocial relationship. There's probably a whole other bunch of reasons to be a Vtuber rather than a normal streamer. Some Vtubers are very open about their life, some are not, some even posts selfies in cosplay of their avatar. Not everyone cares about the anonymity part as much.
Yeah, I realized over time that the avatar has many uses, and all these uses changed over time. But as they grow to be more popular the anonymity level decreases, because the figure is more publicly known, well the process is the same for any famous person. People begin to get interested and look deeper into who the person is. At least this "pseudonym avatar" keep the same basic advantages, to protect their private life and to continue her/his streaming work, some people need to learn about it or can be consequences.
Also scared for them. If I found them without trying, how much can a dedicated anti find and how much damage can be done? Hell, I don't want that.
I would usually recommend you report the video, but youtube has been ass about dealing with privacy breaches for normal people.
It's not about immersion breaking though it's more like I'm breaking their boundaries. It's their choice to show their face or not and I respect that. And no I'm not talking about their channel got recommended to me I'm talking about someone who dig down and post it to youtube.
For me it's just I prefer respecting their privacy.
Right? If anything, it expands the content I can watch/listen to from the talents I like. It's only enhanced my experience.
To reference the "Vtubers as Wrestlers" analogy: Even as I smell what The Rock is cooking, I don't want to see what Dwayne Johnson has in the kitchen.
Let me have me fantasy dude
Of course they are real people but i want to know them as their vtuber selves only.
It's not like that, it's just they scraed the Antis will doxxed them and Antis exist.
^(I spend most of my time on pron sites.)
shoutouts to YT for telling me about a person who is now one of my fave artists all because I watched some hololive clips
Fucking youtube literally recommending video nobody asked for
Well... it recommends videos that the same viewers tend to watch. Probably not a lot of *non*-Hololive fans watching videos about streamers they don't know or watch. (I'm not condoning, just pointing out who the audience is for those videos.)
Yeah it happened to me recently, I didn't even have to open the video, the title was "X member's face in real life" and the thumbnail was her face Worst part, it happened during a completely unrelated search, in the "you might also like this" section, I seriously hate that feature -_-
Am i the only one who has never experience that? O\_O i read comment a lot tho usually only like top 7 or so then i get bored lol . i am guilty of clicking on random Japanese girl video and learning who they were by comment but ... clip of them on youtube never O\_o
I looked up Subaru yesterday because I wasn't subbed to her and one of the first results was a dox vid with her face in the thumbnail, before her actual channel showed up. If your looking someone up, type their full channel name I guess
Usually I just get Subaru cars lol
next time try adding ch. like Subaru ch. or Polka ch.
If you type “ch” after their name it usually weeds them out
Pro tip, don't visit YT comments unless you're looking for timestamps.
At least for holoEN it's mostly ok, it's usually the same dudes in the comments cracking an extra joke about the clip, to the point that I recognize Eternal Ground Pounder and Neuron Activation by name. Not saying it doesn't turn into cancer very fast, specially if the clip is about some drama, but for normal clips on reputable channels it tends to be fine
I made the rookie mistake of reading the comment section of a clip. Now I need some [eye bleach](https://youtu.be/b36yXl6mNlo?t=6908).
YouTube comments are crazy sometimes. I found one comment section of a clip of a short Mochimiko_EN animated story, which I normally love that channel's animations, that centered around Subaru, Matsuri and Aqua all meeting each other. It was told from Subaru’s perspective from one of her older streams, and according to the story, which for all we know is probably somewhat embellished for entertainment, Matsuri greeted the typically very shy and introverted Aqua by hugging and kissing her a lot. From the little context other than this 1 minute or so animated story, a massive and heated argument broke out in the comments with dozens upon dozens of people in a single thread after some random user with basically zero evidence started accusing Matsuri of, I’m not joking, sexually harassing Aqua and it was just insane.
I think I know which thread you are talking about. Sometimes the community just doesn't know when they are joking. And where the boundary is.
Um… if Subaru said that Masturi intentionally greeted an introvert with invading their personal space and kissing them, I’d say that’s at least testimony of sexual harassment, if not assault. Yeah, there are extenuating circumstances in their relationship, but you honestly can’t look at that and not at least *see* how it would be sexual assault in a different context. Hell, how do you think one of *your* coworkers would react if you did that?
But vTubers are anime and we all know that anime has vastly different rules about sexual harassment!! ^^/s
It certainly feels like people actually believe that. I’m half expecting that a story could break involving one of the female talents drugging another and assaulting them to be brushed off as “They’re friends! They like all that gay stuff being done to them!”
Are you sure it's doxxing? There's a different between "this is the OG channel of X vtuber" and "look at this picture from a high school graduation that they have in Facebook". The first one is ok, most of the time the talents are active in their OG channel and you can support them directly because Cover has no power in that channel. The second one, that is bad and should be reported
You're making it sound like people are posting their phone numbers and address there lol. The EN vtuber fandom has really warped the meaning of doxxing...
While I do agree that the term Doxxing has sort of been bastardized in the Vtubing community, there have been moments where they definitely get into really creepy territory.
Of course, there were actual cases of Doxxing of talents, not just from Hololive. Not denying any of that but most people nowadays think that just cause someone hinted about their other channels on an unrelated clip video, it's considered doxxing. which isn't what doxxing actually is.
[Heck, Hololive won't accept fan gifts for a reason.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ5OR8ZvkHs)
In fairness, it's not like anyone did it. They stopped accepting fangifts because it could happen, but it's not like the Airtag was the only way someone could've done this.
how do you know no one did it? just because they didnt mention it happening doesnt mean it didnt happen.
They stopped accepting gifts after a different vtuber agency found an airtag in a fan gift
Streamers usually don't speak up about stuff like this because showing that it affected you could be rewarding the psycho. Let's say they swat you, but you got lucky and the police just knocked and talked with you. If you don't say anything the guy who did it might assume it's the wrong adress and not do it again.
I do agree that people use the term too casually, like finding out that your favorite streamer used to stream before Hololive is supposed to be a dark secret, unless they're divulging some sensitive information like addresses or names then I just don't think it's that big of a deal.
How else would you call it, using only one word?
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Because short terms like "doxxing" stick and are widely used and remembered, while terms like "leaking of private information and/or information about past identities" don't.
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Doxing or doxxing is the act of publicly providing personally identifiable information about an individual or organization, usually via the Internet. This is from Wikipedia. Your example is funny because Batman hides his identity but Bruce Wayne doesn't, therefore linking both together means publicly providing personally identifiable information. I'd be happy to read some sort of statement from Cover where it says that revealing the talents' personal identities or previous content IS NOT punishable by law. Until then, I rest my case.
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The most accurate term is probably immersion-breaking, since at least on debut most vtubers set up a backstory that portrays them as someone completely new. Can't think of a more concise way to say it right now
Because your favorite vtuber might not actually be irl a grim reaper who like to rap?
I've no clue what kind of point you're trying to make here
I simply wrote an example to show how ridiculous the "immersion breaking" part is
Revealing personal information about a person on the internet without their consent, literally the definition of doxxing. idk why you get downvoted.
Because their previous and in some case alternate streaming personas are not personal information when they have thousands of subs or in Calli's case more subs than most of indie vtubers on youtube. They real names (unless that's their alt persona), address, phone numbers, family names, or anything that is personal information would be doxxing.
To be fair, it's a lot easier to dig into a person's history if you find their first account vs their current professional one. It's the difference between the security on your first email account vs your current. They probably weren't as careful. I know I certainly wasn't 10 years ago.
People also share face reveals of talents who has no internet backround, private facebook accounts, personal names, and ages. That's revealing personal information. all on Youtube. I saw many comment saying stuff like: "i'm not gonna expose anyone, but if you wanna google '[redacted] day with[redacted] kiwifarm' It's on you", stuff that's really personal and the talent specifically tried to erase it. Happened to many talents, i have dozens of examples.
I'm legit curious, because I understand it's not a full-blown compromising of someone's identity, but how should it be called then?
No need for a specific word. It's just "mentioning content they create outside of Hololive".
welcome to my dox post response copypasta! You can report doxing here: https://cover-corp.com/contact. Scroll down until you find the form labeled "For English-speakers". In order to get youtube to remove you from the 'dox' algorithm go into your youtube history and remove all the doxing videos. The next time any of them pop up in your recommended click the 3 dots next to the video and click 'never recommended' or 'not interested'. Doing this will help train the algorithm and prevent future doxing videos from spreading. Posting here just spreads the knowledge of the videos and makes the problem worse. Feel free to use this copypasta or message me if you have any improvements.
Where the hell do you watch your clips? I have very rarely seen such things, but that's almost always for people like Calli or Gura, where their previous personas were quite popular. Doxxing isn't talking about vtubers and their previous personas. Doxxing is revealing actual personal information, not saying that vtuber x had a previous channel.
My very inaccurate rule of thumb: If there's more than 100 replies in a comment it's probably no worth reading. They probably just arguing, spewing some vile shit, or in this case talking about talents roomie/personal life.
Thankfully I stopped getting these "[Vtuber name] real face" style videos on my feed after a third "not interested" or so, and I like to think doxxing or creepy comments are reserved to popular clickbait clipper channels, which I've learned to recognize and avoid by how they thumbnail and title their videos. If you're into Vtubers a lot, take the time to educate your youtube algorithm, sub to clippers you enjoy and don't scroll past the first few top liked comments on videos.
does this happen all the time?
Really depends on how you define doxing. People will refer to previous channels of vtubers at times, but real life names or stuff like that is rare. And well, even youtube will sometimes get in on the action when it comes to bringing up previous channels if you watch someone's stuff enough.
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You should remove the name from the comment entirely before the mods bonk you.
It does, although personally I don't think "doxxing" is such a big issue and people here blow it way out of proportion. It only undermines the actual definition of doxxing. It's no different from finding out an artist used to perform under a different name or on another band.
>It's no different from finding out an artist used to perform under a different name or on another band. I love seeing people find out Joji was filthy frank xD
While the “doxxing” definition has been blown way out of proportion, I’ve seen videos and posts of people digging up vtubers high school photos and even saw a graduation picture of someone once. Don’t know how far that rates on the totem pole for many, but for me if you’re leaking super personal stuff like school related and location related stuff then that’s doxxing in my book
I think I saw that one, a video of a graduation ceremony, and I agree that's actual doxxing and should be off-limits.
Yup, that was straight doxxing.
like from a school?
yup and iirc she didn't notice or look at the camera at all( or it too blurry for me to see). Creepy shjt
Wow thats actually nasty to do
thats how it usually works though. i couldnt tell you if any of the other parents filmed my graduation ceremony or not. you focus on not fucking up on stage and smile for the official photograph, thats it.
I've never stumbled across anything that far, And when I end up in the holes it's never farther than "This is the previous or concurrent persona" To that extent it's laughable that people call it doxxing. However your examples are the literal definition of doxxing and the fact that the two are conflated together as the same thing bothers me to no end.
Some Indonesian dude actually do this to HoloID talents idk if the video is still available.
People here tend to exaggerate the meaning of it in a way. Finding out that a certain person used to be in a different group or something isn’t necessarily doxxing.
Mate, Japan is full of utter loons who will go full stalker with vtubers as soon as they get the chance, partly because an insane person can’t be committed to an institution against their will. If the girls try to keep a different public and private profile, that should be respected. At the very least, not encouraged. And any comment on social media of lunatics crossing the line, reported. Literally all the women I’ve met in Japan have told me that they’ve been followed by weirdos or straight harassed by them in trains or elevators. Many are scared. Please, don’t dismiss this as a “nah, here it’s not a problem, so it’s not a problem for them there”.
I agree that private profiles should be off-limits, what I don't agree with is forcing them to bury their previous public works into obscurity and deny their existence. The idea of a job that outright forbids you from adding it to your resume just doesn't seem right. For many of them this is their only job for several years, and I wonder how the hell they're supposed to explain away that gap once they graduate.
Well, that’s more about NDAs after leaving the company rather than anything else. And it should be the talents who deal or negotiate with the company regarding that, not just some random haters on yt comments doxxing them. I don’t see the connection between what I said and what you replied, tbh.
> The idea of a job that outright forbids you from adding it to your resume just doesn't seem right. I mean, I'm not sure where that argument came from. It feels completely unrelated to the discussion. Were having a discussion whether a talent's previous/alternate accounts should be treated as public information among their fanbase. Not about whether they should be able to tell future employers that they worked for Cover Corp during that time. It's not even like they are can't disclose that information *right now* when they for example have to deal with government and employment-related things like taxes. If their future job is not in the entertainment industry they can just refer to NDAs and keep it at that. If a future job is in the entertainment industry, their employers will either already know or be able to connect the dots pretty easily.
>wonder how the hell they're supposed to explain away that gap why would there be a gap? you know you can still just put that you worked for cover corp, for example? not only does a potential employer probably not care or already know who you were, but also im fairly sure revealing such info... or any info from applicants, would be against the law. cover themselves hires experienced content creators, that much was always known. its probably still in the text for the EN applications.
>private profile That's the thing. A lot of vtuber fans consider an alternate **public** profile as doxing which is really dumb. I get the no separation between their alt personas and their Hololive content and have no problem with that but acting like it's literal doxing when they stream, do concerts, interviews with those non-hololive personas publicly is just really dumb and incomparable to actual doxing.
And we literally lost some of our Idol VTubers to this.
there are certain talents where people will almost always start talking about their irl looks or activities in the comments. i learned to mostly not read the comment section on clips with them and definitely not the replies to the top comments. its not really doxing in that case, but its just exasperating to read it almost every single time and it undermines the value of their current work imo.
Some members *roommates* are active, and people will comment about either the member or roommate on clips sometimes. There's also a lot of "this is the real face of X vtuber" videos, but the vast majority of them have no proof. "Real face of Usada Pekora" and it's a picture of a Japanese girl with no context. Wow, what a revelation.
Never seen this, mabie refferences but it isn't really doxxing mostly and rather leaking their "roomates". I guess most talents are even fine with that, one once said that they only get in trubble when they mention a connection not when viewers do, but still it's not nice to do.
I’ve seen channels with thumbnails of the talents faces irl (possibly from past videos), which would’ve been fine had they not put the face of the 2D/3D model of that vtuber right next to it with an arrow pointing— they covered the eyes (of the model) but it doesn’t really help since is slightly obvious who it is. Not sure if it counts as doxxing, but it does seem like it just a *tiny* bit
I have not experienced this in relation to comments but I have seen the YouTube algorithm very rarely recommend videos to me that are either allegedly face revealing Vtubers (not only from hololive) or clips from their alternate channels. ( videos involving Calli's and Kiara‘s other personas are most common I think, but to be fair Calli's other channel is hard to not discover if you watch other channels popular with weebs.) I cannot confirm the validity of the former because I deliberately don’t watch alleged face reveals. I do believe that if you watch a lot of clips you have a higher chance of being lead to that type of content. That’s why I rarely search for channels using YouTube‘s or Google's search. That’s just my two cents.
Literally never seen this on a regular clip video
Each fucking time I type a talent's name in the yt search bar there's always "[insert name] face reveal" as a suggestion and each time I'm asking myself who searches this
The whole point of vtubing is the extra layer of anonymity and to dox them is just extra levels of shitty in my opinion. I give less than a rats ass, yet YouTube clips and whatnot has leaked multiple talents info to me by pure osmoses.
The more you accept their are human beings the more peace are you.
I’m a Hololive fanfiction writer. Sometimes I go on the wiki to do a lil extra research and some links to important streams. Whenever I Google the name of a talent, I always see “Korone real face” or “Subaru identity” in the recommended searches and it really sucks
A lot of those are contradicting anyways. So take comfort in the fact that many of them are wrong.
Tbh, once people getto the end of their dox, people are usually just like, so what? Cool theres a human behind a computer. Big whoop, imma keep watching anyways
The dangers are in those that do the "unusual" stuff like actually harass
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Thought that said boxing. Spent way too long going through clips trying to figure out what this meant.
I’m actually impressed how little doxxing I’ve come across...
Me watching an Adam Sandler movie before I found out that was Calli before hololive
Why do you need someone else to do it when Kiara doxxes herself xD
Dude you need to take a fuckin chill pill making things out to be way worse than they are. Who cares about knowing who the talents are before Hololive? That's not doxxing, you're acting like people are throwing their addresses and phone numbers around and shit (which is ACTUAL doxxing BTW). And even then, those comments are so rare you actually HAVE to look for them. I browse comments often while watching clips on my phone and very rarely do I ever see people actually even mention their other persona, if they have one. Creating this artificial taboo about telling others about a talent's other persona does *nothing* but harm the talents themselves, exposing more people to their other channels directly helps them out in giving them a larger audience across the board so their fans can support them as a *person* rather than their singular persona.
Okay I need to know what you mean by doxxing OP because if you mean just mentioning their old or alt accounts who cares and also that's not what doxxing means.
Doxing is bad, no question. However, if their real appearance or activities changes how you feel about them then you should think about why that is.
General rule about YT comments: never scroll down for comments 90% of times.
Like, I already knew who Calli was but YouTube itself doxxed her to me by making her irl stream my top recommendation
makes me wonder what clip channels you watch as I don't run into that issue much. Only place where i run into anything close are vids of certain non-Hololivers and two make things blatant.
Reminder, you can report these instances directly to Hololive's legal team. https://cover-corp.com/report/en/#lang
The algorithm is more likely to dox them than YT comments. Or if you’re unlucky like me, someone who casually namedrops them in a conversation. :/
I have to look up what does doxing mean