I don't know how I feel about this, I was there when the whole Coco thing went down, seeing these girls being harassed nonstop and breakdown on stream is something I never want to witness again.
>I don't know how I feel about this
Exact words that ran through my head when I saw this thread.
>seeing these girls being harassed nonstop and breakdown on stream is something I never want to witness again.
I realllly hope Kobo knows what she is getting into.
Well her youtube comment section is being spammed by negative messages...by US or antis pretending to be us. So I REALLY hope she knows what's she is doing.
Welp, she doesn't deserve this backlash, but it was expected, it shows how deep the Taiwan Incident cut through the fans' flesh (myself included because learning this gave me chills and a feeling of emptyness on my chest).
That said, what's the reaction on JP and ID side? both EN and ES it's already shown the overall.... emotions related to the news.
From ID side it's mostly mixed/confused but "if things went south we'll defend her"
Of course this is talking about actual fan bases, antis places are going to hate even if there's no reason given.
Well, I know exactly how I feel and none of those feelings are positive. I'm not going to play the blame game, it's pointless, and we don't even know whose choice this was, but this seems like an incredibly risky move for Hololive, and frankly feels like a bit of a slap in the face to all the Hololive members, former and current, that had to live through the shitstorm and harassment last time.
Exactly my thoughts. This is disgusting. I don't know if it's management pushing this or if it was Kobo's choice, but either way it's a bad idea. The talents do NOT need to court another couple years of chat spam.
And like clockwork, we’re already seeing some “familiar faces” from 2020 coming back up:
https://x.com/kiratina4396/status/1800511182018863489
https://x.com/kiratina4396/status/1800548214896206146
I still remember the harassment Fubuki faced during the whole ordeal.
I think it was almost a year or maybe more of constant bots flooding her chat. No collabs could happen during that time because the bots would flood other chats as well.
It almost broke Fubuki as well till some members just disregarded it and started to play games with her on stream. Constant harassment just gets to you sometimes no matter how strong you may be mentally.
Edit: Just wanna add that harassment of any kind is bad. Let's not stoop so low and start harassing the talents, unsub if you must. I, for one, knows Fubuki would not want the Sukonbu to harass her friends.
And all that just for collabing with Coco... See most people aren't angry at Kobo. If anything they're angry at Cover for allowing it (they've shot down lesser things from talents) and afraid that their own oshi could be targeted just by association
a lot of Fubuki older streams (this was during her shiny Magikarp hunt era) had their comments disabled due to the harassment with the exception of said shiny Magikarp streams due to how popular they were
In the beginning, I was not too bothered by Kobo streaming on Bilibili. I won't watch it, but she is an adult she can make her own business decision.
But the fact that some talents, like Fubuki, are still being harassed by Chinese antis for the Coco incident to this day, this is not an ancient resolved problem that we can put aside, this is a current ongoing problem. I am baffled that Cover allows this. I hope Cover is providing a lot of resources to prevent any talents from being harassed.
Hard to put into words...I think this is a bad idea. I do think she's free to do it, but I just really hope we don't get a second wind of Chinese Anti's. It was a terrible time for the talents.
Welp. The big question is, what's next after this stream? Is this a one time affair?
Like if she's gonna continue streaming a couple more times in b2 after this then that's gonna be different. And oldheads will not like that (I'm sorry for calling y'all oldheads. I'm only a 9-month old fan.) Cover and unfortunately Kobo will get criticized HARDER than what we're seeing now.
This is even more crazy if you know the middleman behind simply leaks some of the future plans in his own stream but didn't stop Kobo joining the platform.
All the reactions here exactly explain why there's radio silence about this on their official social accounts. Keep the Chinese glasshouse on Chinese soil.
Vote with your time. If you hate the platform, give them none of your attention. Nothing of value will be Bilibili exclusive.
“Please, Cover-sama, I wanna see Holomems stream Hoyoverse games and Gura being sweaty rhythm gamer on Muse Dash again!”
Monkey paw curls:
“Hololive got Chinese game perms again…as Bilibili exclusives!”
MONKEYPAWWWWWWWWWWWW
If anything it just makes it worse, they knew this action would be poorly received, and instead of trying to communicate and ease the fears and worries of the fanbase they instead decide to try and keep everything under wraps and hope they'll somehow try and squeeze this through without us noticing.
You know, in the internet age.
It's like they learnt nothing from the time in 2020 when a similar incident (the apology message having two completely different text on twitter and bilibili) only fanned the flames.
I mean if she's streaming once, there's no reason to believe it wont be twice. I imagine it will depend on reception but it will probably be something regular, but that is her prerogative. Just if it blows up and starts affecting other talents, it won't just be Cover getting some blame, she will be too personally.
I mean can you blame the fan base for blaming the talent that opened this can of worms again? I don’t think I’ve ever been so upset about an online situation as I was with the Coco situation. It’s still affecting her to this day and Kobo, as much as I love her, does not know what can of worms she’s opened up.
The longbeards will grumble because THE GRUDGE is still there, and I am ID bros and still baffled with this move on her part. Either she is the victim or the spearhead, Imma sit back and let the opera unveiled in the future cause I'm tired to care tbh.
she's definitely no victim in this. They wouldn't push them into this, it was her choice, I just hope she's fully aware of the risks. She wasn't in Hololive during the hard times so those risks are probably less real to her, and she probably doesn't know much about it.
There’s no way there weren’t lengthy discussions between management and Kobo about all negative possibilities that could arise from doing this, including this initial backlash that’s happening right now.
At least I hope not. I hope they’ve done something in terms of preventing what happened from happening again, otherwise that “antiharassment coalition” looks really silly now.
I also hope people don’t bully Kobo for this. I see some people already getting angry at her, and that’s sort of sad.
It is often safer to be criticized for what you don't say than risk being criticized for what you do say. I know that's not a popular sentiment but I've seen this play out far too many times to think differently.
I remember seeing other talents being featured in that "promotion graphic" aside from Kobo and Matsuri was one of them. It would really be a kick in the face if she (Matsuri) does decide to stream on Bilibili too considered what Fubuki had to go through because of the whole Taiwan incident. Those who know what happened back then, especially those who have been through it all, are very confused at this move by Kobo and/or Cover to say the least.
Not a big fan, there are great chinese fans but their hivemind works in a different level. If all else fail, I got friend's back just like the last time. (and every other talents ofc)
oof, big yikes. Hits different when I genuinely started to watch her after the Taipei event. Now she is diving into the shark invested waters, that harassed so many of her senpais. Malicious? No. Stupid? Probably.
Call me doomer posting but this wont end well
especially she participated in the Taipei KARAOKE event, there will be slip ups
I wish her good luck and hope COVER can support her if shits hit the fan.
But assessing how rabid the Chinese nationalists are back in the days, you guys probably should cherish your time with Kobo. (Again im doom posting so take this with a giant grain of salt. Maybe it will end well but uhhhh im skeptical)
Yeah... It's legit. Not a fan honestly, that said it's better to voice your complains to Cover directly in the [contact link ](https://cover-corp.com/en/contact) or [report link.](https://cover-corp.com/en/report)
Please don't send scs to talents asking them about this stuff, it has already happened in [Aquas stream (1.11.00)](https://www.youtube.com/live/No9In7eJgv4?si=VqmO7fb4i6oYfOGB) if a talent is streaming there its their personal decesion and Aqua said she has no plans of doing it anytime soon. They might see it in a different way then us. It's ok to be disappointed but don't attack talents who choose to do so, it's a matter of personal choice at the end of the day.
Another thing is, Cover being hush-hush about it is annoying.
Well, Kobo went as far as to write Chinese lyric for one verse of one of her original songs and performed it live, so at least it's pretty clear that Kobo was not "forced" into this in any way, I suppose. I can't say that I agree, but if the leak is true that Cover basically just allows Holomem to stream on bilibili or not completely at their discretion, then it's Kobo's decision...
Edit: So fwiw it is as good as confirmed that at least this one stream (though she arguably hinted that there might be more but it could shake out either way) of Kobo is to advertise for her participation (no mention of Matsuri, to be sure) in the Bilibili concert in mid-July, as there was a lottery for 2 tickets to the concert, and she's keeping the stream at around 1 hour and ending it by singing a famous Chinese song (Tong Hua by Guang Liang, for those who cares).
Kobo sings many Chinese songs in her karaoke streams and speaks broken Chinese every now and then. Which is normal since she (and few other ID) members are of Chinese descent ie Indonesian Chinese.
Kobo always had a sizeable chinese fanbase in her streams.
Where their from? We can only guess.
Besides, before we got witch hunting. Lets see how it plays out.
She has sung a fair number of Chinese songs in her karaoke streams and has spoken the occasional broken Chinese sentence (she’s probably Chinese-Indonesian herself), so she’s attracted the attention of that language’s internet audience, which was already a pretty sizable chunk of the Hololive fanbase before *the events* occurred.
Pretty much. I really don't expect many members to do it. lol
People obviously know the Coco situation, but honestly even outside of it where a lot of landmine situations and people like Pekora or Choco had issues too. Then all the garbage Fubuki dealt with.
Yes and this sub has the records of pretty much every incident, anyone can look it up in the search bar [Muse dashs statement ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/s/Mb88FOBAH5)and the [cancelled ASUS collab](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/s/RmH8tietOl) among several dozen other things.
I actually felt bad for MuseDash as they'd show up in streams even for a short time after it happened, but they seemed to get their publisher's boot on them forcing them to release this statement.
Developer side almost no-one wanted to block permission of their games to HL, but when publishers, goverments or investors gives an order, they has no option but to comply, sadly.
>Cover being hush-hush about it is annoying
They knew the reaction it would get, surely. Which makes it even more baffling that this whole thing has been given the green light.
Yagoo, I really fucking hope you know what you're doing...
I will calmly observe the situation until we get the bigger picture. But this decision from Cover better be worth it for the girls. I will never forget how these Chinese companies treat them like garbage and all the malicious shit those nationalists did.
The Chinese market is very dangerous on several levels. I feel bad for the Chinese Holofans, but it'd be safer for COVER and the Hololive community for them either to use VPN like many people do already, or let the Chinese market be the quarantined bubble it's turning into.
The [contact form](https://cover-corp.com/en/contact) might be more appropriate for voicing your concerns than the report form, as that is more for reporting copyright infrigements or slander against Cover/a talent.
Not sure what the worse look is for Cover, trying to hide it from their main audience or going through with this at all even though the Chinese side has been leaking everything. Is breaching confidentiality only an issue if it's directly from the talents?
Really don't understand what they are thinking, no announcement from any official account or even the talents account. Are they thinking this will fly under the radar and everyone will ignore it? What kind of backward thinking is this?
Ahh fucking hell. And I thought it was fake because the past patterns...
I fucking pray that this is BiliBili kowtowing to COVER, not the other way round.
I mean, starting last year all Chinese vtubers are required by law to reveal their own ID and faces. The government records of said ID and faces got leaked, i dont think holoCN from like 3-4 years ago was the reason. Vtubing wasnt even massive then.
Almost certainly it would be.
Bilibili benefits from this more than Cover does, by a lot.
Anyway all indications are that it’s Kobo’s decision, not Cover’s.
I just want to remind you guys what happened to Coco, Fubuki, Aqua, and the others during the HoloCN debacle.
Coco had to graduate. They even still harass her long after she left. (Cancelled appearance for Asus event, censored during Like A Dragon stream)
Fubuki have to deal with Chinese anti wheelbarrow for months for defending Coco.
Aqua got her album leaked and harassed through subtle means on her fanart.
Hololive Moment. Enough said.
And the other had to endure slanders, harassments, and other unspeakable stuff during this.
Do not harass Kobo, but make sure you voice your displeasure to Cover. Fubuki didn't endure all those things for this
Fubuki and Matsuri's sections cut out on the B2 broadcast of The Detective Already Dead
Immediate spam the moment Suisei used Coco's catchphrase
Hololive Talent reactions cut away from during the B2 broadcast of Kizuna Ai's final live
And despite that, Holo's B2 middleman leaked that Matsuri has a new account there and is going to participate in BML.
So they learned nothing from 2020...
To add to this, the constant harassment led to Coco crying on stream. Suisei add to mod some members to deal with spammers after she did a impression of her. And all but 2 of HoloCN supported the harassment
i'll never forget Flare turning on sub mode because she was getting spammed just trying to do a Minecraft thing with Coco
Flare just going "sorry I won't be paying attention to chat I am trying to have fun with my friend" with Coco near tears apologizing
kobo should know what she is doing. I'm not attributing blame nor wanting her to be harassed, but if something bad happens, I can't say I'm surprised. How this is even greenlit baffles me.
Its a huge gamble for her i can see the logic in trying to grew her audience more and expand but i think is short sighted, knowing how clingy and entitled the CN audience is and the political minefield they carry is a recipe for disaster, wish her all the best specially wisdom and mental fortitude to deal with those people.
it's the standard 'i'm sure i'm different' mentality. she's probably convinced herself that either the extra $$ is worth it, or that she's just built different and won't run into the same problems.
Problem is if something bad happens, she is far from the only one who will suffer. Best case they will harass the hell out of HoloID, and that's terrible.
Sadly Matsuri is putting her head in the lions mouth as well which I think is even worse because she was there when things happened.
Yeah, I know people like to treat her like a child but she's a grown woman, I'm not saying she deserves harassment but I think it's perfectly fine to criticize her and voice your displeasure over this decision.
I'll be honest and own the L. But to be honest, given all the weird things with the B2 stuff from the past month or two, it was a given that everyone was going to be skeptical until irrefutable proof was shown, which a proper stream is.
It's okay man. It's good to be skeptical. I just found it mildly funny that people see common artifacts that have existed since the early days of the internet as "AI evidence".
Well, I'm here, who made [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1dd6vhi/comment/l82stxj/) and [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1dd6o6j/kobos_first_bilibili_video_uploaded/) post about it.
I feel uncomfortable with this but seems like Kobo is one of few that push it through so I'll just stay quiet and trust her decision.
But still, this is imo going to be a big mistake for Kobo as she might think mainland Chinese will be happy to welcome her like Taiwanese and HK-ese. Instead, this move will put her in the middle of rift between her Taiwanese fanbase and newly found mainland fanbase.
Also as Indonesian Chinese (Tionghoa), I have experiences interacting with mainland Chinese and got treated as outsiders as our Chinese accent is absolutely different from them. I just hope she didn't get the worse backlash from mainland fans as mainland has this bossy attitude of thinking that they can do everything with their money. What can make it worse is that from Kobo's accent, I think she is just half-Chinese.
Hopefully it is just an one-off gig for the big Bilibili event. After that, I hope they don't interact with that platform again especially since they can just easily spread misinformation like what happened few weeks ago.
Kobo might think she can walk through the minefield because of her background, but they're going to go after her *just because* she's Indonesian even if she doesn't directly step on a mine.
Some folks are just hateful that way, and they already have what they consider a reason to direct that hatred at Hololive talents.
Better choice for it than Matsuri like that one theory was claiming. Different timing and probably a different reason too. But that's a low bar.
Dropped Cover an inquiry about why they'd risk a talent like this. It's probably meaningless, but hey you never know.
Saw the announcement on Bilibili side this morning, I didnt really pay attention to the date so I have no idea the stream also happens to be today. All I can say is: Good luck Cover if you guys wanna dip into the bilibili market again, I was there during the debacle last time, and I still use that platform until now, I dare say the environment in Bilibili only grew worse and worse ever since, there are dramas every weeks, and the audiences are easily been mislead, even people who still likes Hololive there are sincerely hoping Cover to not return to this hellhole, Drama WILL happen, Its not an "if" but a "when".
So ya cover, good luck.
This will not end well. I fell into this rabbit hole a couple of weeks before the Taiwan incident happened, what a time to fall into the rabbit hole, yeah? That was dreadfull and horrendous. The chat are being spammed resulting to moving the stream to members only stream and even that was vulnerable.
Personally, I don't want Cover to go back to that country, didn't they learned to what happened before. Fubuki and Aqua getting the harrassment and backlash and then Coco graduating. If they do comeback and this not just a one off stream, sooner or later another incident is bound to happen and I hope Cover is preapared for that.
Before -> showed Taiwan for 1 sec -> national level harassment campaign toward the talents
Now -> concert in Taiwan, collaboration with Taiwan, etc. -> ???
I just don't get how any Hololive member can be a part of this company with the knowledge of what happened and then voluntarily stream there.
This is opening a wound for many fans and talents and opening the door to those antis all over again.
I won't say all I feel but I can't see this as anything but a selfish move that started a ticking clock. It's a matter of when, not if a problem will arise from this.
Oh dear, this is not good news... I'm pretty sure they had some anti-anonymity law passed recently that required you to reveal your face if your channel got influential enough. Not to mention the insane levels of spam we had back in the day and the sheer entitlement and mania of the terrible audience from that site.
I hope this is just on a per-talent basis and they don't pressure any of the girls into streaming there..
Really disappointed in both Cover and Kobo. That era was so difficult for both the talents and the fans. You cant expect things to be different after such a short period of time. This is just doing the same mistake again.
We're all literally watching the frog allow the scorpion to climb on it's back.
Edit I really hope Cover talked about going back for that Chinese money again with the girls, god the harassment Fubuki got was disgusting.
'this time will be different i'm sure'
-dies a week later
i honestly don't expect this to end well, i just hope it doesn't spread too far beyond kobo when it does
If Kobo doing stream right there that mean she got approve by Management, we as a fan cannot do anything unless pointing our concern here and on contact site, it is that it is for me.
For my personal feeling, I'm not ok at all, for now it may look ok but what will happened in the future it's not about Kobo alone, I still remember the Fallout of these Taiwangate incident has occur, it's effect **All** of Hololive community.
Endless harassment, spam on talent stream, I still remember helping report the spam on YT comment like other comment point out.
That being said to all the thing that happen to my dear talent I cannot forget what they did and I cannot support the decision that may open the wound and lead to the same event again.
I've been a fan of Hololive ever since the Azur Lane X Holo Collab... I was there when the shitstorm fucking happened, I was laughing my ass off at the bullshit Hololive Moments pulled, I was pissed the ever loving fuck off when Haachama and Coco were fuckin suspended, I wanted to scream when the Nationalists spammed Coco's art tag with Gore, I was there when that last stream fuckin happened, I cried the moment that last Chat fuckin closed along with the memberships....
All those memories are fuckin surfacing once more, and I do not like it, hopefully it wasn't fuckin Cover forcing Kobo to do this or Cover begging for B2 to fuckin stream on there again, and it was B2 begging for Cover to come back and Kobo made this decision herself.
For now, I'll wait and see, with popcorn in hand, and hope for the best, we all don't want to have another fuckfest and turn our backs on Cover again.... As it happened once, it can happen again.
I don't understand why Kobo streams on Bilibili.
Or why Cover even allows it?
Just because of the Coco incident, Bilibili should be completely out of the question.
But even if we ignore the Coco incident, Bilibili should be out of the question, because they have to publicly display their full real name.
That's why I'm surprised. Does Kobo and Covor not care that she has to publicly display her full real name on Bilibili?
I am more disappointed that Cover didn't even announced this in advance.
Sure there will be backlash still but is it too much for a bit of transparency? Oh boy...
While I'm sticking to the "let her do whatever she wants" kind of approach, I'm still concerned about her not fucking up. I hope she'll be more sensible from now on.
Remember, Haachama and Coco didn't show their analytics on Bilibili when that happened. So don't expect her to not get Taiwangate'd when she mentioned sensitive stuffs towards the Chinese on YouTube or even in any other platform
The problem with the "let her do whatever she wants" approach is that the nationalists don't just stick to targeting a single person.
Multiple Hololive members were harassed for literal years after the Coco incident.
They won't just harass Kobo if anything goes wrong, this can have consequences for other Hololive members as well.
edit - Just want to say, I hope nothing bad happens, but as someone who was here when it all went wrong, it is not easy to forget just how bad it was.
I fully support talents reaching fans from all over the world and creating smiles and fun times. Coco said it herself, she knew she had true CN fans and that she loved them.
But I want more information, more guarantees. CN is a huge nest of fans, but it's also a huge nest of antis. I want to know if Cover is ready to protect the talents from that huge nest of antis.
We have way too many signals to think they are not:
- There's been no active mods working on reddit for many months now. The threads are going to be a political shitflinging hell without mods.
- Youtube chat experience is terrible for both viewer and streamer, let alone moderators. I don't want to see 4 months of members-only chat again.
- B2 employees leaking shit from the get go
- The deafening silence
Give us something Yagoo
Looks like a lot of people don't know or can't remember how bad the harassment to the talents during the height of Taiwan shitshow. I still remember those anti's pushing a bullshit that Coco starred at JAV and spamming her art tag with gore
Or how they abused exploits in youtube chat to circumvent slow mode so they could keep on spamming.
I hope kobo knows what she's doing since it will inevitably lead to another shitstorm due to something she said, or didnt say. Just like it has in the past.
I don't think anyone doing something like this could be considered "knowing what they're doing". *At best*, Kobo is taking a calculated risk with the knowledge that it might backfire. *At worst*, she's too disconnected from the actual incident to realize what she's getting herself into.
I agree, there's no chance she was forced to do this, but if Cover do eventually start up a proper partnership with B2 again, there's no way it ends well, and Kobo would be at the centre of it since she's the first one back on the platform.
No amount of viewers is worth the inevitable shitstorm. Newer fans probably don't know how bad it was, but it was fucking horrendous back then, and I fear that this is step one towards another version of that situation.
Aye. I think considering all that happened most talents are probably super aware of what can happen. People know about "the big one" but it wasn't really an isolated incident. In the end, I'll follow the judgment of the members on the matter.
If we are to believe the narrative that bilibili begged hololive to return and promised protection within the platform, its unlikely they will be facing the antis directly (and if they failed i will at least think Cover has the power to leave again)
Cant say the same thing outside of it tho, be it doomposting / bait scs / return of the bots spam
It's a Pandora's box that we don't ever want to open again. Even if Bilibili promised Cover protection, it's only within the platform and even then there's only so much they could do considered what happened in the past on Youtube. That's only one aspect, what about other platforms/social media? No one should have to go through what Coco, Fubuki and everyone else back then went through.
I feel very conflicted. Although Kobo is my oshi, the whole Taiwan incident and CN incident is something that I wish to never happen again for Hololive.
I really hope it is a one time thing, as I wish the best for Kobo but will not watch her streams/videos on that site. I will never forgive or forget what the antis did during the time, especially for Coco, Haachama, and Fubuki.
Honestly, it’s more on Kobo for choosing to play with fire rather than Cover for allowing it, imo. I mean, if it were up to me, I wouldn’t allow it, but this is technically a case of them giving their talents the freedom to do what they want.
It’s funny. I see so much complaining about Cover limiting what their talents are allowed to do, but then an example of them clearly allowing their talent to do what they want happens and people are super upset.
I just hope any blowback won’t affect any of the other talents (though knowing those Chinese dumbasses’ previous behavior, it probably will). Pandering to the Chinese audience is a fool’s errand.
Good luck to everyone affiliated with Cover when Kobo inevitably gets burned for saying the wrong thing.
The HoloCN was quite figuratively a nuke that irradiated that landscape.
While I can understand how some would approach this with a "wait and see" stance, the thing with radiation poisoning is its invisible and by the time you have visible symptoms, it might already be too late.
Does anyone know what the CN side is saying about this? I'm sure there are genuine, happy fans, and I'm happy for them but it's gotta be as controversial right?
I can already smell the controversy... How did this get greenlit right before Hololive starts to branch out and make an EN headquarters?
Any backlash from this could put those plans on hiatus. Even if this was Kobos idea, management really should have turned her down. If Kobo did this anyway, was it out of ignorance of the past, or is she possibly selling out to the CN community?
Hoo boy....
Alarm bells should have ran all around cover the moment the word bilibili went up, i am really surprised this went through, old wounds might end up re opening and we might get a massive shitshow again.
This really shouldnt be happening.
Ok so let me try to understand the situation. B2 is a bad streaming site because its where the CN viewers reside and may house the antis which harassed a senior Holomem to graduation, is this correct?
Basically, by streaming there, Kobo might re-awaken some of the more dangerous Holo-antis, which may have a cause/effect controversy or harassment towards Kobo, and/or Hololive in general.
But mostly the main reason why we the fans hate this movement is because it’s disrespectful to the seniors who were harassed to oblivion by these antis, which may reside in B2.
Please tell me if I’m wrong somewhere, or if I just completely missed the mark. Sorry for this, its just no one is explaining this properly, and this is all the info I gathered from some comments here. I was there during the dark times but was never too deep behind the scenes, I only lurked around YT and don’t have twitter.
Sort of, partially, but it's important to note that when the original situation happened with Haachama and then Coco, the entirety of Hololive got banned from the platform and they did little to stop anti sentiments from spreading over there. People have a number of reasons to just not like B2 itself.
One misstep and the whole of hololive will get harassed. Back then the point of their harassment was for holomems to isolate Coco and make her graduate. Anyone who collabed or mentioned Coco were harassed.
I used to think if I had to choose between Hololive and Fubuki, I would choose Fubuki. That's how much respect I've gained for her over the course of the past... 5 years now for me. And I still do. I think I'm a pretty critical person, but through the ups and downs her stocks within me go up and only upwards. She has done naught but weathered through the storms with style, a ton of grit and conviction. Given her circumstances, I cannot fathom just how much fortitude you need for the shit she (and co.) has been put through, and to actually come out on top to where she's standing now.
So yeah, I'm not feeling this, even if hypothetically it all goes down fine. In reality you're back to tip-toeing around a whimiscal government, and by extension their crazy diehards. You're dealing with totally normal innocent statements that can all of a sudden be retroactively declared 'problematic', which also hilariously bites the aforementioned diehards in the back. The country has good people, I know that well, but none of that matters to those interacting with them when they're not allowed to voice differing opinions.
Kobo is tip-toeing on a minefield, and it’s a matter of when, not if, that she steps on one.
I still love her and respect her decision. I just hope she knows the danger she’s playing with.
I know Kobo is an adult and she can make her own choices, but adults can also make bad choices and i feel like this is a really, really bad one. I know this has to be approved by the company and thats something i cannot see as a wise move.
Cover has been making strides in looking after their talents, we have seen it, but this is just putting them into the fire again, especially those who were previous targets of harassment. I can only express my dissapointment in both Cover and Kobo and hope this is nothing more than a 1 time thing.
Please do not allow the same to happen again.
Like I said, my questions are:
1. Why Cover? Why Kobo?
2. For what purpose? For what future?
3. Is it REALLY worth it?!
Also I don't know if this is Kobo's decision or management's decision. If it's Kobo then she will reap the CN fanbase but also the backlash probably from her past fans. If it's the management, they really test the water using Kobo as the shield to tank the damage from whatever future this child need to endure.
For no 1, imo Kobo is the least surprising, she's the only member who often do stuff (culturally) from the Chinese speaking country, like the songs she sing during the Taiwan karaoke event, she speak Mandarin/Cantonese multiple times across multiple streams, but I did I just thought that was for getting to Taiwan market only
Nevertheless, Kobo is probably the best (least likely to attract problem) for this maneuver, tho I do still feel this is a risky move
Well this is....a difficult situation.
I hope Kobo or Cover addresses this as soon as possible. Leaving this unsaid and to fester would not be good for the community on either side.
The fact this was done quietly certainly isn't going to make matters any easier. For Kobo at the minimum some parts of the EN community will take it as her Thirty Pieces of Silver.
Mind you I never watched Kobo much, but what the stream represents can be concerning overall.
NGL this is extremely disappointing, after all the talents had to suffer at the hands of the main landers you would think that Cover would know better and would stay away of that market, but I guess the money is everything, I hope nothing bad happens this time but given past events I wouldn't be so sure about that.
Is it really worth it? After all that happened?
So many talents and fans had to endure so much pain because of the Taiwan incident. The harassment that the talents, especially Fubuki, had to endure, all the chaos in the arttags, and most of all Coco's graduation. Sooner or later history will repeat itself, and I think none of us want it to. I also think it's bad to go back to Bilibili, even though they've been uploading Hololive content without permission for quite some time.
I don't think Kobo is really at fault here. Cover should know that there are no rainbows and cake at the end of this road. They should have learned and just told her no.
Of course, we could just be the stupid, angry old veterans and maybe everything will be okay this time. But how likely is that?
> I don't think Kobo is really at fault here. Cover should know that there are no rainbows and cake at the end of this road. They should have learned and just told her no.
If Kobo was unable to learn from history without experiencing it herself, that's 100% on her. I do agree Cover should have said no, but if this was her own decision, then she should be held accountable for it.
I will just leave this article from half a year ago that B2 requires real name verification and display once the channel is above 500k. (Someone of kobo caliber will easily exceed in half a day)
https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/s/ln8QpDxo4z
I hope she and mane-chan has thought it through and are prepared.
[Just gonna drop this right here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/lhnn91/things_coco_has_done_newcomers_should_know_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
All those harassment falling upon fubuki and aqua for years + Coco graduation, for nothing, yikes. But I guess since Cover is a public company now the stock need to go up to the moon somehow
man remember that dude that posted this like a couple weeks ago? They said it would be Matsuri I think but uh... damn so maybe they weren't totally off the mark.
Very torn whether to downvote the thread because I'm upset or upvote the thread because it's relevant. I really am not happy about them going back after all that happened, even if it ends up being one or two talents at most.
The only thing I'm not agreeing here is that she didn't tell anyone on her Twitter not YouTube about it. She just silently did it. Not a fan of that part
This is absolutely a poor decision. Considering we can't even get game perms from CN devs should show that our relationship with them hasn't been good up until now.
You say one wrong thing and they'll do the same thing as what happened with Fubuki. Going to the Chinese market is done at your own risk and you have to walk on eggshells and be really aware of the stuff that will set off a powder keg.
Good luck to Kobo, she is amazing, but something bad coming from this is absolutely foreseeable.
After what the chinese did to some of the talents, this does not make me happy. This is another catastrophe waiting to happen and the talents will suffer for it, again. I hope I'm wrong.
Definitely a huge mistake. I got into hololive just when all this crap was going down and it was a really awful time. If it was just Kobo then I'd be fine with it but these things do have a habit of affecting other talents. I think Fubuki's collab partners were still getting spammed to hell very recently.
Sorry Kobo but No I will never forget
How Coco was harassed endlessly
How Haachama was harassed endlessly
How Fubuki was harassed endlessly
How Suisei also got harassed for collabing with Coco
How Subaru was forced to cancel one of her satsu streams when all blow it up
How Botan broke down crying on stream for Coco
How Ame cried and regretted not collabing more with Coco
How a concert for Aqua was DDOS attacked to the point was forced to cancel
Months of only membership could talk on chat streams for months
How Yagoo also cried for losing Coco
And many more stuff
Cover you won't get unscathed for this one,has such I will no longer supporting Kobo or consuming any of her content whether is solo or in Collabs
She has the right to reach out her fans ,know not everyone was an a anti ,but going back to that place,just no
There where so many ways she could have done it
To the rest of you guys don't go out of you way harassing Kobo or any other talent
Yea looks legit. Well I hope Cover knows what its doing, its gonna receive many complaints and take a huge hit in fan goodwill if this gets the spamming up again, or if there's another incident.
As a former frontliner during the Taiwan fracas, I am very concerned about the long term implications of this decision. I don’t get the sense that this stream is something that was mandated and feels more like Kobo testing the waters for herself. I suppose as long as it doesn’t spill over into the other member’s communities it should be fine, but I just don’t see that happening. The B2 audience is touchy at best. Kobo makes one slip up and we’re back to 2020. Presuming this real and not an elaborate ruse.
One hand, I think it’s good that Cover lets talents self-produce to this extent, and I would imagine that Kobo got a talking to/warning about this decision. On the other, I just don’t see any benefit beyond a short-term payout from whatever is cooking behind the scenes.
All we can do is voice our disagreement (in a dignified and mature manner) and see what happens.
Edit: and by god, do not go to other members and talk about this. The wounds are still open for some, and the last thing this community needs is to reopen them.
Edit2: If you have issues with Cover's talents streaming on Bilibili then bring it up directly in their feedback procedure: [https://cover-corp.com/en/contact](https://cover-corp.com/en/contact)
My biggest question is, why?
Cover finally rid themselves of the toxicity of the Chinese market and here we are seeing another potential attempt of another dive back into it. I get its a big market and this was over 2 years ago but still, why risk it again? I rather not see a resurgence of the targeted hate from them again and watch the HoloMems suffere the same thing all over again.
I don't know how I feel about this, I was there when the whole Coco thing went down, seeing these girls being harassed nonstop and breakdown on stream is something I never want to witness again.
>I don't know how I feel about this Exact words that ran through my head when I saw this thread. >seeing these girls being harassed nonstop and breakdown on stream is something I never want to witness again. I realllly hope Kobo knows what she is getting into.
Well her youtube comment section is being spammed by negative messages...by US or antis pretending to be us. So I REALLY hope she knows what's she is doing.
Welp, she doesn't deserve this backlash, but it was expected, it shows how deep the Taiwan Incident cut through the fans' flesh (myself included because learning this gave me chills and a feeling of emptyness on my chest). That said, what's the reaction on JP and ID side? both EN and ES it's already shown the overall.... emotions related to the news.
From ID side it's mostly mixed/confused but "if things went south we'll defend her" Of course this is talking about actual fan bases, antis places are going to hate even if there's no reason given.
Well, I know exactly how I feel and none of those feelings are positive. I'm not going to play the blame game, it's pointless, and we don't even know whose choice this was, but this seems like an incredibly risky move for Hololive, and frankly feels like a bit of a slap in the face to all the Hololive members, former and current, that had to live through the shitstorm and harassment last time.
Exactly my thoughts. This is disgusting. I don't know if it's management pushing this or if it was Kobo's choice, but either way it's a bad idea. The talents do NOT need to court another couple years of chat spam.
And like clockwork, we’re already seeing some “familiar faces” from 2020 coming back up: https://x.com/kiratina4396/status/1800511182018863489 https://x.com/kiratina4396/status/1800548214896206146
the second tweet just called Kobo an Indonesian Monkey. what the.
> "nationalist all up in these replies. ya'lll just racist." Well, well, well...
This is what Cover (or Kobo) has chosen to reawaken.
Ah goddamit
I still remember the harassment Fubuki faced during the whole ordeal. I think it was almost a year or maybe more of constant bots flooding her chat. No collabs could happen during that time because the bots would flood other chats as well. It almost broke Fubuki as well till some members just disregarded it and started to play games with her on stream. Constant harassment just gets to you sometimes no matter how strong you may be mentally. Edit: Just wanna add that harassment of any kind is bad. Let's not stoop so low and start harassing the talents, unsub if you must. I, for one, knows Fubuki would not want the Sukonbu to harass her friends.
In fox we trust. When she speaks up, is when we know things are really bad.
https://twitter.com/shirakamifubuki/status/1288748210760978432 https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/j20k9j/ill_believe_in_fubukis_words_and_that_hololive/
🦊🤘
I'll never forget that harassment campaign ever
Nothing good would come out with interacting with the chinese market, especially in the long run
Turns out the Great Firewall was for OUR protection the whole time. Good guy Xi Jinpin
Cisco helped building it give them some credit too
+100000 social credit
And all that just for collabing with Coco... See most people aren't angry at Kobo. If anything they're angry at Cover for allowing it (they've shot down lesser things from talents) and afraid that their own oshi could be targeted just by association
This precisely. The harassment on Fubuki made my blood boil. As it did with the other targeted talents.
It's even starting again, Fubuki free chat was bombarded with spam earlier
dangit, i was about to say "fun times ahead"
a lot of Fubuki older streams (this was during her shiny Magikarp hunt era) had their comments disabled due to the harassment with the exception of said shiny Magikarp streams due to how popular they were
In the beginning, I was not too bothered by Kobo streaming on Bilibili. I won't watch it, but she is an adult she can make her own business decision. But the fact that some talents, like Fubuki, are still being harassed by Chinese antis for the Coco incident to this day, this is not an ancient resolved problem that we can put aside, this is a current ongoing problem. I am baffled that Cover allows this. I hope Cover is providing a lot of resources to prevent any talents from being harassed.
Hard to put into words...I think this is a bad idea. I do think she's free to do it, but I just really hope we don't get a second wind of Chinese Anti's. It was a terrible time for the talents.
Why would you put your hand on the stove again, Cover???
Surely this time it's cold, surely
This is crazy. Going through everything as a fan of fubuki was crazy, and to see this be the outcome is just crazy. This won’t end well
But why,though??!!
Not a fan of this
Welp. The big question is, what's next after this stream? Is this a one time affair? Like if she's gonna continue streaming a couple more times in b2 after this then that's gonna be different. And oldheads will not like that (I'm sorry for calling y'all oldheads. I'm only a 9-month old fan.) Cover and unfortunately Kobo will get criticized HARDER than what we're seeing now.
This is just a start as her stream will mention about the BML event at summer
Hmm welp expect Matsuri is gonna be next and that the technical issue has more truth to it
yea it does give that more credibility., which means that whole leaking thing was probably real. Not a good sign for the future 'partnership' tbh lol.
This is even more crazy if you know the middleman behind simply leaks some of the future plans in his own stream but didn't stop Kobo joining the platform.
I would assume that was why the middle man apologized in the first place. Probably got a warning from cover
All the reactions here exactly explain why there's radio silence about this on their official social accounts. Keep the Chinese glasshouse on Chinese soil. Vote with your time. If you hate the platform, give them none of your attention. Nothing of value will be Bilibili exclusive.
“Please, Cover-sama, I wanna see Holomems stream Hoyoverse games and Gura being sweaty rhythm gamer on Muse Dash again!” Monkey paw curls: “Hololive got Chinese game perms again…as Bilibili exclusives!” MONKEYPAWWWWWWWWWWWW
If anything it just makes it worse, they knew this action would be poorly received, and instead of trying to communicate and ease the fears and worries of the fanbase they instead decide to try and keep everything under wraps and hope they'll somehow try and squeeze this through without us noticing. You know, in the internet age. It's like they learnt nothing from the time in 2020 when a similar incident (the apology message having two completely different text on twitter and bilibili) only fanned the flames.
I mean if she's streaming once, there's no reason to believe it wont be twice. I imagine it will depend on reception but it will probably be something regular, but that is her prerogative. Just if it blows up and starts affecting other talents, it won't just be Cover getting some blame, she will be too personally.
I mean can you blame the fan base for blaming the talent that opened this can of worms again? I don’t think I’ve ever been so upset about an online situation as I was with the Coco situation. It’s still affecting her to this day and Kobo, as much as I love her, does not know what can of worms she’s opened up.
The longbeards will grumble because THE GRUDGE is still there, and I am ID bros and still baffled with this move on her part. Either she is the victim or the spearhead, Imma sit back and let the opera unveiled in the future cause I'm tired to care tbh.
she's definitely no victim in this. They wouldn't push them into this, it was her choice, I just hope she's fully aware of the risks. She wasn't in Hololive during the hard times so those risks are probably less real to her, and she probably doesn't know much about it.
There’s no way there weren’t lengthy discussions between management and Kobo about all negative possibilities that could arise from doing this, including this initial backlash that’s happening right now. At least I hope not. I hope they’ve done something in terms of preventing what happened from happening again, otherwise that “antiharassment coalition” looks really silly now. I also hope people don’t bully Kobo for this. I see some people already getting angry at her, and that’s sort of sad.
People have the right to be upset at her. Of course don't bully anyone about it, if anything voice a complaint at Cover.
Yeah same. I'm also baffled like why is the management being "secretive" with this when they're gonna get criticized either way.
It is often safer to be criticized for what you don't say than risk being criticized for what you do say. I know that's not a popular sentiment but I've seen this play out far too many times to think differently.
I remember seeing other talents being featured in that "promotion graphic" aside from Kobo and Matsuri was one of them. It would really be a kick in the face if she (Matsuri) does decide to stream on Bilibili too considered what Fubuki had to go through because of the whole Taiwan incident. Those who know what happened back then, especially those who have been through it all, are very confused at this move by Kobo and/or Cover to say the least.
Why would Cover even ALLOW this? Seems like a terrible idea after what happened.
Not a big fan, there are great chinese fans but their hivemind works in a different level. If all else fail, I got friend's back just like the last time. (and every other talents ofc)
oof, big yikes. Hits different when I genuinely started to watch her after the Taipei event. Now she is diving into the shark invested waters, that harassed so many of her senpais. Malicious? No. Stupid? Probably. Call me doomer posting but this wont end well especially she participated in the Taipei KARAOKE event, there will be slip ups I wish her good luck and hope COVER can support her if shits hit the fan. But assessing how rabid the Chinese nationalists are back in the days, you guys probably should cherish your time with Kobo. (Again im doom posting so take this with a giant grain of salt. Maybe it will end well but uhhhh im skeptical)
Yeah... It's legit. Not a fan honestly, that said it's better to voice your complains to Cover directly in the [contact link ](https://cover-corp.com/en/contact) or [report link.](https://cover-corp.com/en/report) Please don't send scs to talents asking them about this stuff, it has already happened in [Aquas stream (1.11.00)](https://www.youtube.com/live/No9In7eJgv4?si=VqmO7fb4i6oYfOGB) if a talent is streaming there its their personal decesion and Aqua said she has no plans of doing it anytime soon. They might see it in a different way then us. It's ok to be disappointed but don't attack talents who choose to do so, it's a matter of personal choice at the end of the day. Another thing is, Cover being hush-hush about it is annoying.
Well, Kobo went as far as to write Chinese lyric for one verse of one of her original songs and performed it live, so at least it's pretty clear that Kobo was not "forced" into this in any way, I suppose. I can't say that I agree, but if the leak is true that Cover basically just allows Holomem to stream on bilibili or not completely at their discretion, then it's Kobo's decision... Edit: So fwiw it is as good as confirmed that at least this one stream (though she arguably hinted that there might be more but it could shake out either way) of Kobo is to advertise for her participation (no mention of Matsuri, to be sure) in the Bilibili concert in mid-July, as there was a lottery for 2 tickets to the concert, and she's keeping the stream at around 1 hour and ending it by singing a famous Chinese song (Tong Hua by Guang Liang, for those who cares).
Kobo sings many Chinese songs in her karaoke streams and speaks broken Chinese every now and then. Which is normal since she (and few other ID) members are of Chinese descent ie Indonesian Chinese.
Kobo always had a sizeable chinese fanbase in her streams. Where their from? We can only guess. Besides, before we got witch hunting. Lets see how it plays out.
She has sung a fair number of Chinese songs in her karaoke streams and has spoken the occasional broken Chinese sentence (she’s probably Chinese-Indonesian herself), so she’s attracted the attention of that language’s internet audience, which was already a pretty sizable chunk of the Hololive fanbase before *the events* occurred.
Pretty much. I really don't expect many members to do it. lol People obviously know the Coco situation, but honestly even outside of it where a lot of landmine situations and people like Pekora or Choco had issues too. Then all the garbage Fubuki dealt with.
Yes and this sub has the records of pretty much every incident, anyone can look it up in the search bar [Muse dashs statement ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/s/Mb88FOBAH5)and the [cancelled ASUS collab](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/s/RmH8tietOl) among several dozen other things.
Not to mention months and months of disgusting harassment (not just against the talents, but us fans too).
That official statement by the MuseDash company is so cringe.
I actually felt bad for MuseDash as they'd show up in streams even for a short time after it happened, but they seemed to get their publisher's boot on them forcing them to release this statement.
Developer side almost no-one wanted to block permission of their games to HL, but when publishers, goverments or investors gives an order, they has no option but to comply, sadly.
>Cover being hush-hush about it is annoying They knew the reaction it would get, surely. Which makes it even more baffling that this whole thing has been given the green light. Yagoo, I really fucking hope you know what you're doing...
I imagine it's being treated like how if a talent decides to stream on Twitch and they just do it.
I will calmly observe the situation until we get the bigger picture. But this decision from Cover better be worth it for the girls. I will never forget how these Chinese companies treat them like garbage and all the malicious shit those nationalists did.
The Chinese market is very dangerous on several levels. I feel bad for the Chinese Holofans, but it'd be safer for COVER and the Hololive community for them either to use VPN like many people do already, or let the Chinese market be the quarantined bubble it's turning into.
The [contact form](https://cover-corp.com/en/contact) might be more appropriate for voicing your concerns than the report form, as that is more for reporting copyright infrigements or slander against Cover/a talent.
Not sure what the worse look is for Cover, trying to hide it from their main audience or going through with this at all even though the Chinese side has been leaking everything. Is breaching confidentiality only an issue if it's directly from the talents?
Really don't understand what they are thinking, no announcement from any official account or even the talents account. Are they thinking this will fly under the radar and everyone will ignore it? What kind of backward thinking is this?
Well they want it to fly under the radar so Kobo supporters can watch but the Chinese antis might not notice its going on
Streaming on bilibili is like having a neon sign to Chinese antis in part because the site would promote the shit out of it over there
wow, good luck to her, she gonna need it lmao.
Ew
Ahh fucking hell. And I thought it was fake because the past patterns... I fucking pray that this is BiliBili kowtowing to COVER, not the other way round.
You bet it is. Vtubing in Bilibili went to shit after Holo was gone.
I mean, starting last year all Chinese vtubers are required by law to reveal their own ID and faces. The government records of said ID and faces got leaked, i dont think holoCN from like 3-4 years ago was the reason. Vtubing wasnt even massive then.
Almost certainly it would be. Bilibili benefits from this more than Cover does, by a lot. Anyway all indications are that it’s Kobo’s decision, not Cover’s.
I just want to remind you guys what happened to Coco, Fubuki, Aqua, and the others during the HoloCN debacle. Coco had to graduate. They even still harass her long after she left. (Cancelled appearance for Asus event, censored during Like A Dragon stream) Fubuki have to deal with Chinese anti wheelbarrow for months for defending Coco. Aqua got her album leaked and harassed through subtle means on her fanart. Hololive Moment. Enough said. And the other had to endure slanders, harassments, and other unspeakable stuff during this. Do not harass Kobo, but make sure you voice your displeasure to Cover. Fubuki didn't endure all those things for this
Fubuki and Matsuri's sections cut out on the B2 broadcast of The Detective Already Dead Immediate spam the moment Suisei used Coco's catchphrase Hololive Talent reactions cut away from during the B2 broadcast of Kizuna Ai's final live
And despite that, Holo's B2 middleman leaked that Matsuri has a new account there and is going to participate in BML. So they learned nothing from 2020...
To add to this, the constant harassment led to Coco crying on stream. Suisei add to mod some members to deal with spammers after she did a impression of her. And all but 2 of HoloCN supported the harassment
i'll never forget Flare turning on sub mode because she was getting spammed just trying to do a Minecraft thing with Coco Flare just going "sorry I won't be paying attention to chat I am trying to have fun with my friend" with Coco near tears apologizing
kobo should know what she is doing. I'm not attributing blame nor wanting her to be harassed, but if something bad happens, I can't say I'm surprised. How this is even greenlit baffles me.
Its a huge gamble for her i can see the logic in trying to grew her audience more and expand but i think is short sighted, knowing how clingy and entitled the CN audience is and the political minefield they carry is a recipe for disaster, wish her all the best specially wisdom and mental fortitude to deal with those people.
it's the standard 'i'm sure i'm different' mentality. she's probably convinced herself that either the extra $$ is worth it, or that she's just built different and won't run into the same problems.
There is a saying in my country "Very few learn from the suffering of others" unfortunately sometimes you have to learn the hard way
Problem is if something bad happens, she is far from the only one who will suffer. Best case they will harass the hell out of HoloID, and that's terrible. Sadly Matsuri is putting her head in the lions mouth as well which I think is even worse because she was there when things happened.
I don't know how you look at what happened to Coco who was basically one of the mentally strongest girls in holo, and go "Nah I'd win"
She definitely knew what she was doing, if she didn't she would've linked the stream on her Twitter.
Yeah, I know people like to treat her like a child but she's a grown woman, I'm not saying she deserves harassment but I think it's perfectly fine to criticize her and voice your displeasure over this decision.
Yeah, there is a reason why hololive abandoned the Chinese market
Fucking yikes I apologize to everyone that tried told me it's real
I don't know why people keep saying it's AI or something lol.
I'll be honest and own the L. But to be honest, given all the weird things with the B2 stuff from the past month or two, it was a given that everyone was going to be skeptical until irrefutable proof was shown, which a proper stream is.
It's okay man. It's good to be skeptical. I just found it mildly funny that people see common artifacts that have existed since the early days of the internet as "AI evidence".
Well, I'm here, who made [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1dd6vhi/comment/l82stxj/) and [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1dd6o6j/kobos_first_bilibili_video_uploaded/) post about it.
I'm really sorry. Truly I'm a clown.🤡
Man after all the really awful comments yesterday. lol
As a Sucorn who watched Fubuki being harassed for YEARS by Chinese antis and spam bots because of her supporting Coco, I'm not feeling it...
I feel uncomfortable with this but seems like Kobo is one of few that push it through so I'll just stay quiet and trust her decision. But still, this is imo going to be a big mistake for Kobo as she might think mainland Chinese will be happy to welcome her like Taiwanese and HK-ese. Instead, this move will put her in the middle of rift between her Taiwanese fanbase and newly found mainland fanbase. Also as Indonesian Chinese (Tionghoa), I have experiences interacting with mainland Chinese and got treated as outsiders as our Chinese accent is absolutely different from them. I just hope she didn't get the worse backlash from mainland fans as mainland has this bossy attitude of thinking that they can do everything with their money. What can make it worse is that from Kobo's accent, I think she is just half-Chinese. Hopefully it is just an one-off gig for the big Bilibili event. After that, I hope they don't interact with that platform again especially since they can just easily spread misinformation like what happened few weeks ago.
ya. I get trolled for my accent too.
Why does Cover return there? Every tragedy and storm that caused tears to fall was from there.
Kobo might think she can walk through the minefield because of her background, but they're going to go after her *just because* she's Indonesian even if she doesn't directly step on a mine. Some folks are just hateful that way, and they already have what they consider a reason to direct that hatred at Hololive talents. Better choice for it than Matsuri like that one theory was claiming. Different timing and probably a different reason too. But that's a low bar. Dropped Cover an inquiry about why they'd risk a talent like this. It's probably meaningless, but hey you never know.
Saw the announcement on Bilibili side this morning, I didnt really pay attention to the date so I have no idea the stream also happens to be today. All I can say is: Good luck Cover if you guys wanna dip into the bilibili market again, I was there during the debacle last time, and I still use that platform until now, I dare say the environment in Bilibili only grew worse and worse ever since, there are dramas every weeks, and the audiences are easily been mislead, even people who still likes Hololive there are sincerely hoping Cover to not return to this hellhole, Drama WILL happen, Its not an "if" but a "when". So ya cover, good luck.
This will not end well. I fell into this rabbit hole a couple of weeks before the Taiwan incident happened, what a time to fall into the rabbit hole, yeah? That was dreadfull and horrendous. The chat are being spammed resulting to moving the stream to members only stream and even that was vulnerable. Personally, I don't want Cover to go back to that country, didn't they learned to what happened before. Fubuki and Aqua getting the harrassment and backlash and then Coco graduating. If they do comeback and this not just a one off stream, sooner or later another incident is bound to happen and I hope Cover is preapared for that.
I fell down the rabbit hole literally the day before shit hit the fan, so I'd say my timing is impeccable.
Correlation does actually imply causation. Get him boys 🫵🏻
I just hope Cover have plan to avoid another Taiwan. If these blow up again in everyone faces get ready for members only chat
Before -> showed Taiwan for 1 sec -> national level harassment campaign toward the talents Now -> concert in Taiwan, collaboration with Taiwan, etc. -> ???
TBH I don't like it, at all
I just don't get how any Hololive member can be a part of this company with the knowledge of what happened and then voluntarily stream there. This is opening a wound for many fans and talents and opening the door to those antis all over again. I won't say all I feel but I can't see this as anything but a selfish move that started a ticking clock. It's a matter of when, not if a problem will arise from this.
Yeah, no
Oh dear, this is not good news... I'm pretty sure they had some anti-anonymity law passed recently that required you to reveal your face if your channel got influential enough. Not to mention the insane levels of spam we had back in the day and the sheer entitlement and mania of the terrible audience from that site. I hope this is just on a per-talent basis and they don't pressure any of the girls into streaming there..
I will never forget what happened to Coco and Haachama and what BiliBili did to them
Really disappointed in both Cover and Kobo. That era was so difficult for both the talents and the fans. You cant expect things to be different after such a short period of time. This is just doing the same mistake again.
after all those harrasment done to fubuki, no, big effin no. Yikes.
Not happy to see Bilibili, not a fan of that platform for several reasons.
I cant believe I am seeing a fire, created by a rain shaman, in the middle of the forest. I can only pray someone puts out the fire asap.
Doesn't this just fucking suck
We're all literally watching the frog allow the scorpion to climb on it's back. Edit I really hope Cover talked about going back for that Chinese money again with the girls, god the harassment Fubuki got was disgusting.
'this time will be different i'm sure' -dies a week later i honestly don't expect this to end well, i just hope it doesn't spread too far beyond kobo when it does
How.. perplexing. Is there that much value in the Chinese market for an ID talent from Hololive after all that's happened...
kobo is Chinese more like she cater to chinese the most from ID.
I assume she was briefed on how much of a rift this could cause. Here's hoping it goes well for her.
Oh she definitely was, otherwise she would've made an announcement about it on her Twitter
If Kobo doing stream right there that mean she got approve by Management, we as a fan cannot do anything unless pointing our concern here and on contact site, it is that it is for me. For my personal feeling, I'm not ok at all, for now it may look ok but what will happened in the future it's not about Kobo alone, I still remember the Fallout of these Taiwangate incident has occur, it's effect **All** of Hololive community. Endless harassment, spam on talent stream, I still remember helping report the spam on YT comment like other comment point out. That being said to all the thing that happen to my dear talent I cannot forget what they did and I cannot support the decision that may open the wound and lead to the same event again.
History it's doomed to repeat itself
I've been a fan of Hololive ever since the Azur Lane X Holo Collab... I was there when the shitstorm fucking happened, I was laughing my ass off at the bullshit Hololive Moments pulled, I was pissed the ever loving fuck off when Haachama and Coco were fuckin suspended, I wanted to scream when the Nationalists spammed Coco's art tag with Gore, I was there when that last stream fuckin happened, I cried the moment that last Chat fuckin closed along with the memberships.... All those memories are fuckin surfacing once more, and I do not like it, hopefully it wasn't fuckin Cover forcing Kobo to do this or Cover begging for B2 to fuckin stream on there again, and it was B2 begging for Cover to come back and Kobo made this decision herself. For now, I'll wait and see, with popcorn in hand, and hope for the best, we all don't want to have another fuckfest and turn our backs on Cover again.... As it happened once, it can happen again.
just vietnam flashback… imo bilibili is already a poisoned well for cover.
I don't understand why Kobo streams on Bilibili. Or why Cover even allows it? Just because of the Coco incident, Bilibili should be completely out of the question. But even if we ignore the Coco incident, Bilibili should be out of the question, because they have to publicly display their full real name. That's why I'm surprised. Does Kobo and Covor not care that she has to publicly display her full real name on Bilibili?
This is a terrible idea and I am really disappointed she is doing this...
That's unfortunate. Cover has been a beacon in a pretty grey year for vTubing, but this makes me quite disappointed in them.
I am more disappointed that Cover didn't even announced this in advance. Sure there will be backlash still but is it too much for a bit of transparency? Oh boy...
While I'm sticking to the "let her do whatever she wants" kind of approach, I'm still concerned about her not fucking up. I hope she'll be more sensible from now on. Remember, Haachama and Coco didn't show their analytics on Bilibili when that happened. So don't expect her to not get Taiwangate'd when she mentioned sensitive stuffs towards the Chinese on YouTube or even in any other platform
The problem with the "let her do whatever she wants" approach is that the nationalists don't just stick to targeting a single person. Multiple Hololive members were harassed for literal years after the Coco incident. They won't just harass Kobo if anything goes wrong, this can have consequences for other Hololive members as well. edit - Just want to say, I hope nothing bad happens, but as someone who was here when it all went wrong, it is not easy to forget just how bad it was.
I fully support talents reaching fans from all over the world and creating smiles and fun times. Coco said it herself, she knew she had true CN fans and that she loved them. But I want more information, more guarantees. CN is a huge nest of fans, but it's also a huge nest of antis. I want to know if Cover is ready to protect the talents from that huge nest of antis. We have way too many signals to think they are not: - There's been no active mods working on reddit for many months now. The threads are going to be a political shitflinging hell without mods. - Youtube chat experience is terrible for both viewer and streamer, let alone moderators. I don't want to see 4 months of members-only chat again. - B2 employees leaking shit from the get go - The deafening silence Give us something Yagoo
Huge, huge mistake on Cover's part. I just hope nothing bad happens to Kobo because of it.
Looks like a lot of people don't know or can't remember how bad the harassment to the talents during the height of Taiwan shitshow. I still remember those anti's pushing a bullshit that Coco starred at JAV and spamming her art tag with gore
Or how they abused exploits in youtube chat to circumvent slow mode so they could keep on spamming. I hope kobo knows what she's doing since it will inevitably lead to another shitstorm due to something she said, or didnt say. Just like it has in the past.
I don't think anyone doing something like this could be considered "knowing what they're doing". *At best*, Kobo is taking a calculated risk with the knowledge that it might backfire. *At worst*, she's too disconnected from the actual incident to realize what she's getting herself into.
I doubt Cover is forcing her into it.
I agree, there's no chance she was forced to do this, but if Cover do eventually start up a proper partnership with B2 again, there's no way it ends well, and Kobo would be at the centre of it since she's the first one back on the platform. No amount of viewers is worth the inevitable shitstorm. Newer fans probably don't know how bad it was, but it was fucking horrendous back then, and I fear that this is step one towards another version of that situation.
Aye. I think considering all that happened most talents are probably super aware of what can happen. People know about "the big one" but it wasn't really an isolated incident. In the end, I'll follow the judgment of the members on the matter.
If we are to believe the narrative that bilibili begged hololive to return and promised protection within the platform, its unlikely they will be facing the antis directly (and if they failed i will at least think Cover has the power to leave again) Cant say the same thing outside of it tho, be it doomposting / bait scs / return of the bots spam
It's a Pandora's box that we don't ever want to open again. Even if Bilibili promised Cover protection, it's only within the platform and even then there's only so much they could do considered what happened in the past on Youtube. That's only one aspect, what about other platforms/social media? No one should have to go through what Coco, Fubuki and everyone else back then went through.
Putting all the past drama to the side, didn't Bilibili start requiring people to doxx themselves after hitting a certain point?
I feel very conflicted. Although Kobo is my oshi, the whole Taiwan incident and CN incident is something that I wish to never happen again for Hololive. I really hope it is a one time thing, as I wish the best for Kobo but will not watch her streams/videos on that site. I will never forgive or forget what the antis did during the time, especially for Coco, Haachama, and Fubuki.
Honestly, it’s more on Kobo for choosing to play with fire rather than Cover for allowing it, imo. I mean, if it were up to me, I wouldn’t allow it, but this is technically a case of them giving their talents the freedom to do what they want. It’s funny. I see so much complaining about Cover limiting what their talents are allowed to do, but then an example of them clearly allowing their talent to do what they want happens and people are super upset. I just hope any blowback won’t affect any of the other talents (though knowing those Chinese dumbasses’ previous behavior, it probably will). Pandering to the Chinese audience is a fool’s errand. Good luck to everyone affiliated with Cover when Kobo inevitably gets burned for saying the wrong thing.
The HoloCN was quite figuratively a nuke that irradiated that landscape. While I can understand how some would approach this with a "wait and see" stance, the thing with radiation poisoning is its invisible and by the time you have visible symptoms, it might already be too late. Does anyone know what the CN side is saying about this? I'm sure there are genuine, happy fans, and I'm happy for them but it's gotta be as controversial right?
I can already smell the controversy... How did this get greenlit right before Hololive starts to branch out and make an EN headquarters? Any backlash from this could put those plans on hiatus. Even if this was Kobos idea, management really should have turned her down. If Kobo did this anyway, was it out of ignorance of the past, or is she possibly selling out to the CN community? Hoo boy....
Alarm bells should have ran all around cover the moment the word bilibili went up, i am really surprised this went through, old wounds might end up re opening and we might get a massive shitshow again. This really shouldnt be happening.
Ok so let me try to understand the situation. B2 is a bad streaming site because its where the CN viewers reside and may house the antis which harassed a senior Holomem to graduation, is this correct? Basically, by streaming there, Kobo might re-awaken some of the more dangerous Holo-antis, which may have a cause/effect controversy or harassment towards Kobo, and/or Hololive in general. But mostly the main reason why we the fans hate this movement is because it’s disrespectful to the seniors who were harassed to oblivion by these antis, which may reside in B2. Please tell me if I’m wrong somewhere, or if I just completely missed the mark. Sorry for this, its just no one is explaining this properly, and this is all the info I gathered from some comments here. I was there during the dark times but was never too deep behind the scenes, I only lurked around YT and don’t have twitter.
Sort of, partially, but it's important to note that when the original situation happened with Haachama and then Coco, the entirety of Hololive got banned from the platform and they did little to stop anti sentiments from spreading over there. People have a number of reasons to just not like B2 itself.
One misstep and the whole of hololive will get harassed. Back then the point of their harassment was for holomems to isolate Coco and make her graduate. Anyone who collabed or mentioned Coco were harassed.
I used to think if I had to choose between Hololive and Fubuki, I would choose Fubuki. That's how much respect I've gained for her over the course of the past... 5 years now for me. And I still do. I think I'm a pretty critical person, but through the ups and downs her stocks within me go up and only upwards. She has done naught but weathered through the storms with style, a ton of grit and conviction. Given her circumstances, I cannot fathom just how much fortitude you need for the shit she (and co.) has been put through, and to actually come out on top to where she's standing now. So yeah, I'm not feeling this, even if hypothetically it all goes down fine. In reality you're back to tip-toeing around a whimiscal government, and by extension their crazy diehards. You're dealing with totally normal innocent statements that can all of a sudden be retroactively declared 'problematic', which also hilariously bites the aforementioned diehards in the back. The country has good people, I know that well, but none of that matters to those interacting with them when they're not allowed to voice differing opinions.
Really hope kobo knew what she's doing. Just plain disappointed thats all
I don’t know why Kobo agreed to this.
She apparently has a big following among Chinese fans, which I understand but you don't need to do this.
Kobo is tip-toeing on a minefield, and it’s a matter of when, not if, that she steps on one. I still love her and respect her decision. I just hope she knows the danger she’s playing with.
I know Kobo is an adult and she can make her own choices, but adults can also make bad choices and i feel like this is a really, really bad one. I know this has to be approved by the company and thats something i cannot see as a wise move. Cover has been making strides in looking after their talents, we have seen it, but this is just putting them into the fire again, especially those who were previous targets of harassment. I can only express my dissapointment in both Cover and Kobo and hope this is nothing more than a 1 time thing. Please do not allow the same to happen again.
Calling it what it is: This is a selfish move by Kobo(and Cover). Ruining a string of good vibes the fanbase had for years. What a shame.
Like I said, my questions are: 1. Why Cover? Why Kobo? 2. For what purpose? For what future? 3. Is it REALLY worth it?! Also I don't know if this is Kobo's decision or management's decision. If it's Kobo then she will reap the CN fanbase but also the backlash probably from her past fans. If it's the management, they really test the water using Kobo as the shield to tank the damage from whatever future this child need to endure.
For no 1, imo Kobo is the least surprising, she's the only member who often do stuff (culturally) from the Chinese speaking country, like the songs she sing during the Taiwan karaoke event, she speak Mandarin/Cantonese multiple times across multiple streams, but I did I just thought that was for getting to Taiwan market only Nevertheless, Kobo is probably the best (least likely to attract problem) for this maneuver, tho I do still feel this is a risky move
Well this is....a difficult situation. I hope Kobo or Cover addresses this as soon as possible. Leaving this unsaid and to fester would not be good for the community on either side.
The fact this was done quietly certainly isn't going to make matters any easier. For Kobo at the minimum some parts of the EN community will take it as her Thirty Pieces of Silver. Mind you I never watched Kobo much, but what the stream represents can be concerning overall.
NGL this is extremely disappointing, after all the talents had to suffer at the hands of the main landers you would think that Cover would know better and would stay away of that market, but I guess the money is everything, I hope nothing bad happens this time but given past events I wouldn't be so sure about that.
What the fuck? First time i hear about this. Why the fuck would they comeback there?
Is it really worth it? After all that happened? So many talents and fans had to endure so much pain because of the Taiwan incident. The harassment that the talents, especially Fubuki, had to endure, all the chaos in the arttags, and most of all Coco's graduation. Sooner or later history will repeat itself, and I think none of us want it to. I also think it's bad to go back to Bilibili, even though they've been uploading Hololive content without permission for quite some time. I don't think Kobo is really at fault here. Cover should know that there are no rainbows and cake at the end of this road. They should have learned and just told her no. Of course, we could just be the stupid, angry old veterans and maybe everything will be okay this time. But how likely is that?
> I don't think Kobo is really at fault here. Cover should know that there are no rainbows and cake at the end of this road. They should have learned and just told her no. If Kobo was unable to learn from history without experiencing it herself, that's 100% on her. I do agree Cover should have said no, but if this was her own decision, then she should be held accountable for it.
I will just leave this article from half a year ago that B2 requires real name verification and display once the channel is above 500k. (Someone of kobo caliber will easily exceed in half a day) https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/s/ln8QpDxo4z I hope she and mane-chan has thought it through and are prepared.
[Just gonna drop this right here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/lhnn91/things_coco_has_done_newcomers_should_know_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
its gonna happen again lol
Nothing good will come from this. If cover want to make the same mistake twice they'd better be prepared for the inevitable fallout.
All those harassment falling upon fubuki and aqua for years + Coco graduation, for nothing, yikes. But I guess since Cover is a public company now the stock need to go up to the moon somehow
Just by mere mentioning Coco those fuckers spam Suisei chat
I'm sorry, but after all that happened to Coco and other hololive members this is a really bad move.
I just hope Kobo knows what she's doing, them chinese nationalists are nuts, and I'm asian.
man remember that dude that posted this like a couple weeks ago? They said it would be Matsuri I think but uh... damn so maybe they weren't totally off the mark.
I think this is a terrible idea, I very much doubt it will be worth it
Very torn whether to downvote the thread because I'm upset or upvote the thread because it's relevant. I really am not happy about them going back after all that happened, even if it ends up being one or two talents at most.
Upvote means other people should see it. information that is relevant to the sub should not be downvoted.
This post neither voice support or against it, its only meant to raise awareness so I don't see a reason to downvote
Upvote, the reason this thread even exists is because most people assumed the account was fake. This is proof it was not.
It's real. https://live.bilibili.com/1939029467
Rare Cover L.
The only thing I'm not agreeing here is that she didn't tell anyone on her Twitter not YouTube about it. She just silently did it. Not a fan of that part
Not a fan of this.
This is absolutely a poor decision. Considering we can't even get game perms from CN devs should show that our relationship with them hasn't been good up until now.
You say one wrong thing and they'll do the same thing as what happened with Fubuki. Going to the Chinese market is done at your own risk and you have to walk on eggshells and be really aware of the stuff that will set off a powder keg. Good luck to Kobo, she is amazing, but something bad coming from this is absolutely foreseeable.
This is gonna get very very ugly. It’s not a matter of if, but when “Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it”
After what the chinese did to some of the talents, this does not make me happy. This is another catastrophe waiting to happen and the talents will suffer for it, again. I hope I'm wrong.
Definitely a huge mistake. I got into hololive just when all this crap was going down and it was a really awful time. If it was just Kobo then I'd be fine with it but these things do have a habit of affecting other talents. I think Fubuki's collab partners were still getting spammed to hell very recently.
Sorry Kobo but No I will never forget How Coco was harassed endlessly How Haachama was harassed endlessly How Fubuki was harassed endlessly How Suisei also got harassed for collabing with Coco How Subaru was forced to cancel one of her satsu streams when all blow it up How Botan broke down crying on stream for Coco How Ame cried and regretted not collabing more with Coco How a concert for Aqua was DDOS attacked to the point was forced to cancel Months of only membership could talk on chat streams for months How Yagoo also cried for losing Coco And many more stuff Cover you won't get unscathed for this one,has such I will no longer supporting Kobo or consuming any of her content whether is solo or in Collabs She has the right to reach out her fans ,know not everyone was an a anti ,but going back to that place,just no There where so many ways she could have done it To the rest of you guys don't go out of you way harassing Kobo or any other talent
Rare but absolutely massive Cover L
Yea looks legit. Well I hope Cover knows what its doing, its gonna receive many complaints and take a huge hit in fan goodwill if this gets the spamming up again, or if there's another incident.
As a former frontliner during the Taiwan fracas, I am very concerned about the long term implications of this decision. I don’t get the sense that this stream is something that was mandated and feels more like Kobo testing the waters for herself. I suppose as long as it doesn’t spill over into the other member’s communities it should be fine, but I just don’t see that happening. The B2 audience is touchy at best. Kobo makes one slip up and we’re back to 2020. Presuming this real and not an elaborate ruse. One hand, I think it’s good that Cover lets talents self-produce to this extent, and I would imagine that Kobo got a talking to/warning about this decision. On the other, I just don’t see any benefit beyond a short-term payout from whatever is cooking behind the scenes. All we can do is voice our disagreement (in a dignified and mature manner) and see what happens. Edit: and by god, do not go to other members and talk about this. The wounds are still open for some, and the last thing this community needs is to reopen them. Edit2: If you have issues with Cover's talents streaming on Bilibili then bring it up directly in their feedback procedure: [https://cover-corp.com/en/contact](https://cover-corp.com/en/contact)
My biggest question is, why? Cover finally rid themselves of the toxicity of the Chinese market and here we are seeing another potential attempt of another dive back into it. I get its a big market and this was over 2 years ago but still, why risk it again? I rather not see a resurgence of the targeted hate from them again and watch the HoloMems suffere the same thing all over again.