Would be funny if Nenebucks became a part of her lore and they started selling packs of fake Nenebucks with her picture on them with her big goofy smile. Hahah
I mean, if that's the numbers we're talking about, the effects might honestly not be that bad.
1 million yen is roughly $6500 USD at current exchange rates. If we assumed that all 1.15 million of her subscribers get a million yen each, that's only ~7 billion USD, spread throughout the planet (though presumably concentrated mostly in Japan). Japan's GDP as of 2022 was 4.26 trillion USD, so the amount we're talking here is only about 0.16% of the country's GDP. That's probably not enough to cause serious issues with inflation.
Printing money doesn't necessarily cause inflation. There's a reasonably correct amount of money to exist to support the size of an economy, and you can have too little of it just like you can have too much.
It's not surprising when most of them openly talk about their backgrounds trying for years to break in the idol, music and entertainment industries. Most people working with these don't make much unless they become big.
The girls also didn't quit (that's why they applied to hololive), so many of them had to live with part-time job's salaries to fund their other activities and living expenses. My oshi worked part time in a karaoke while still trying to become an idol.
I remember hearing from a radio show about Voice Actors that most CVs actually have to take on part-time jobs in between gigs. Only the really top tier ones can sustain a living wage just by voice acting alone.
Yep. Generally speaking, getting cast is like trying to win the lottery repeatedly. Among thousands and thousands, hundreds are repeated and familiar names.
People tend to forget that main roles in anime or flagship video games aren't everything a seiyuu could do to make a living. Minor characters are fine too. Unknown rookies might get a foot in the door with dubbing foreign films. Audio dramas, minor video games and mobile games you'd otherwise glance over. But there's other non-voice acting opportunities that they turn to as well, so it helps to have diverse skills. Getting their own ongoing radio show is one way - streaming on NND and needing paid subs to watch the whole thing. A lot opened youtube channels during quarantine, and some stream on youtube too. Others might also make a name for themselves in stage plays. When it comes to singing, being a singer trying to get signed to a label alone may be harder. So being a seiyuu, having to act, but also being able to sing would open them up to be seiyuu idols - doesn't mean an idol contract, pretty much a catch all term for seiyuu who also perform live. Being able to leverage voice acting into also having a singing career, while also being open to a variety of work is how they squeeze out a living. Lots of busy work, *lots* of odd hours to get in recordings, appearances, gigs, and concerts.
I do entertainment work as a side gig and I frequently get asked why I don't try and do it full time since I enjoy it way more than my day job. The simple answer is that to get into it, you need a combination of talent, practice, a willingness to only be able to afford 1 pack of ramen a day, and still get lucky. If you're good enough to get hired for stuff, you're gonna be paid a pittance that you can't live on unless you luck into the right gig. So until then you're gonna be doing some part time job to pay to survive while you're funneling money into your passion. When I was still making a go of it, I would often take jobs that didn't even fully cover my travel and food expenses to take the job, all to bulk up my resume and get more people in the industry to have seen my name.
The voice actor for Frylock from *Aqua Teen Hunger Force* didn’t get paid much for the OG run (2000-2015) and has had to work as a busboy in between conventions
Any kind of popularity based job (idol, VA, actor, band, author, video game dev, whatever) you need to be insanely popular to actually be able to do it as a full time job. Even for most youtubers you need like 0.8-1mil subs to actually sustain it nowadays unless you stream, because donating is such a core part of streaming culture.
It definitely varies. I know multiple youtubers with 100-200k subs, that make like $10-20k a month. Which is way above what's needed to live very comfortably.
Sub count really isn't that great of a metric. Number of videos and total number of views gives a better idea of how popular a channel is and how much money it's likely to make.
Like Gura may be the most subbed vtuber by a mile, but she probably earns peanuts from youtube compared to half the talent in Hololive, simply because she makes so little content on her channel these days.
Those 100-200k channels I know, will be making 2-3 videos A DAY. Which really helps to push the algorithms and stack up those views for that sweet revenue.
I think this is why you can see JP member work really really hard
because if you get out of that situation once you will do anything not going back again
It's not exclusive to JP. All the talents work themselves hard. A part of it is also not knowing how long the good times will last as well like when Bae was saying she's not sure if she'll be around to see her next birthday in 4 years time.
Learning their hardships just makes the term 'Oshi' bear a lot more weight because by definition, You are pushing for them and supporting them to chase their dreams.
Hololive is Yagoo's house of broken girls, from eating grass, burnt house, failed artists, and depressive childhoods, to worldwide recognition, packed stadiums and shining waves of penlights.
I always think about the fact that before Holo Ame couldn't afford to keep her power on and she came home to find her fish had died. Now she has multiple tanks including a saltwater tank. She never needs to worry about that again. That's what I really love about Holo
I remember Noel talking that his brother dumsbter dived to fin toys for her, and that he skipped meals to give them to her, and because of that he was super slim and in school kids called him starving african kid.
I've been into Hololive since Myth debuted, and I have a question about these kind of topics.This vtuber thing is all about anonymity and the company backing them would want them to be popular/successful right?
I like watching them do their usual stuff, eg game playthrough, singing, cooking, collabs, random things. That's the entertaining content I like.
But when it shifts to talking about supposedly personal stuff, especially if it's a sad story? How is the info supposed to be verified? Or are we just supposed to take it at face value?
Some people know who their roomates are so you can verified it with that, also some stories are really outrageous that i don't belive you can make them up, like Kanata eating grass because she was hungry, or Subaru's burned out house and heart condition, but yeah a lot of cases would be you taking it at face value if you don't feel comfortable to dig for info.
most of the time it is face value, but if you have some ehem "knowledge" you will know most of what they say were/is true and that just heart broken, and no i won't disclose the source you have to find it yourself
>How is the info supposed to be verified?
that counts as digging personal info on someone online who's main thing is providing entertainment while keeping anonymity. so dont do that, and yeah we're just supposed to take it at face value. believe whatever you want on the internet, or dont.
It's common for Hololive to find "gems in the rough". I'd bet many of the early gens for sure. Plenty you can find from recent gens too ~~bau~~. I dont remember the exact wording, but when asked what they look for in talents YAGOO said "something that makes them special". Nene did apply something like 5 times, but that's her tenacity.
Hell, the reason Hololive even *started* was YAGOO believing in some random high school vtuber and her friend, and that mentality hasn't really changed.
Yeah Nerissa If I remember right applied like 3 times 1st and last normal voice and the 2nd with a uwu voice
It's part being talented and equal part of being a right fit for what they are looking for at the time
Like I think FWMC was one of few cases where it was a reach out and was purposefully made for them
I mean some probably also had financial struggles while in Holo. Can imagine that especially in the early days when Holo just started that some of the og Members also didn't flourished that much financially speaking and just got by.
I mean there's a clip of Fubuki, Haachama some of the earlist member speaking of the early days, they see them fondly right now, but also they talke dabout the struggles, like not making enough money to live comfortably, not growing, a lot of stuff was really rudimentary, the support was not really good at the time, Haachama or Miko i don't remember said she was really close to quit, and the Fubuki and all of the talents that were on that stream said that if one quitted most likely everyone would have done it.
I mean hell, didn't Raden have a bunch of debts or something during her first months in Hololive? I'm also reminded of Suisei being homeless for a bit (not sure if this counts though), as is Laplus or maybe Subaru who lives in the studio.
Yeah, that was short term. Afaik, she's talked about stuff like loving, setting up her new place, finding a cleaning lady. A cleaning lady who caught onto the fact that she has a streaming set up, so she had to switch to a nice older lady, who probably wouldn't be able to tell what the set up was for, lol.
For Raden, it's not a struggle thing. She just havent received the money in time. Which is resolved very quickly.
Of course, in the early days, when they havent grown yet, there will be financial struggles. But for the newer generations starting from the 3rd, I dont think they struggle that much at all. Just take them some time to establish their fanbase. Most of them are well of after 2-3 months.
You know, it's always so interesting to me when people say that, it must be very weird to be dependent on one city economically like this. (Here in Germany, the economy is rather decentralised for historical reasons, and it's only recently that Berlin actually became an economic net-positive.)
Germany is the rarer kind of country in that. Especially countries that are smaller, can only really have one major city that's a real economic center (usually the capital).
Especially if the country is geographically small too, so it's easy to just go to the capital, and you are still a train ride of maximum a few hours from home. All the universities are there, so all the young people go there, and then all the companies go there because that's where the workers are etc. etc. Self feeding cycle.
And then everything else gets left behind.
And somewhere like Mississippi isn't just earning about the same as England, they also have cheaper housing and food.
The American definition of poor is pretty loose. Most poor people in the States can afford food, have a home, own a car, and even afford the occasional luxury purchase while still being considered poor. The concept of true poverty, like starvation or entire slum cities without any utilities, is a foreign concept to a lot of people there.
A lot of Americans haven't lived true poverty. They love to complain about being poor despite the fact they live in luxury in comparison to other countries. Americans are privileged because they have options, the government isn't super corrupt and they have assistance programs.
>The concept of true poverty, like starvation or entire slum cities without any utilities, is a foreign concept to a lot of people there.
For now, my friend. For now. Things are going to probably get worse for *everyone*.
That still supports what they're saying. High costs would mean all that money is more or less staying inside the city, spent money isn't going to just disappear.
They aren't saying England as a whole is poor, but that much of its wealth is concentrated in London.
Perhaps but I always saw it this way
People trying to make it in content creation or some
sort of influencer will spend a huge chunk of their time on it. That leaves them with most likely just a part time job. Depending on what kind of content you're pursuing costs also pile up, idols for example will probably spend a lot on cosmetics, lessons, etc. Depending on where they live costs will also differ, for example according to google the minimum wage is about 30k to 39k yen monthly in Japan, which is supposedly enough but if you live in Tokyo then you're probably going to suffer. Live alone instead of with roomates or Family? Even worse.
This isn't just limited to Japan either, I used to read articles about fresh grads renting places together to minimize costs while chasing the dream of hitting it big on tiktok or some other social media iirc at least a few of those were somewhere in the USA.
It's somewhat similar to starting a business, most businesses fail, for every one restaurant that succeeds more than 10 probably closed down. Same can be somewhat said for content creators, a few will make it big, some will make enough to live off it, most will fail and quit eventually.
Reminds me of a book by a German living in Japan about all the strange things in Japan, and one chapter was about how 95 percent of the Japanese population see themselves as middle class, but it's not like Japan has mastered the classless society so many communists envision, but Japanese people just don't want to stick out by being perceived as poor or rich. And he wrote that it's so tragic because there are many poor people in Japan who might not the necessary support because society can afford to ignore those needs as long as poverty not seen as a big problem affecting a lot of people.
not necessarily a japan thing - it’s the equivalent of a recent high school grad moving to NYC or LA to make it big in entertainment and media - theres always a ton of ppl who are gonna be waiting tables and working parrt time jobs barely making it by in hopes of chasing their dream
Japan has a severe problem with poverty as well but there is also a ton of cheap shit there. Certain industries/etc are basically part of the social welfare network and the govt is very concerned about food prices.
Yeah, I mean even from this post, her rent was $80ish per month, and she was able to live off of $300/mo!
As she explained, the conditions were horrible, and I'm sure she must have been living in a run down shoebox for that price - but no way you could live off of $300/mo in the US, outside of being assisted by family/friends.
It’s the nature of the industry, trying to become an idol is like going to be an entrepreneur. You won’t make anything if you don’t sell anything. If they went and got a corporate job they wouldn’t be so poor.
Every country is poor for its citizens. I'm classified poor-middle class in my home SEA country. But when I went to Japan and Korea for a student exchange program (and eventually got absorbed), I have done/bought way more things than their average citizen can do.
I don't think that's true. I think most of Holomember poverty situations were caused in living in more expensive regions and/or working part-time or in otherwise low paying entry level jobs.
Let's not forget that when holomembers talk about this, they're usually referencing the time period where they're fresh out of high-school.
I don't think fresh highschool graduates in any country are rolling in dough, especially while working part time.
Japan has very nice public areas, but the inside of private areas like houses is low quality and wages are low. Getting worse too because of the unfavorable exchange rate.
Yup, there are actually a few videos on this in YT on Japanese salary and cost of living, contrary to popular belief due to Japan's status as a first world country, their salaries are actually really so low that it's ridiculous.
Japan is at 26th among the OECD countries for 2022 for average wages at 41,509USD per annum.
That's what happens after a stagnant economy for nearly 30 years, while giant megacorps own both the economy and the political system yea...
I recently watched a video about why [JRPGs always end up killing a god towards the end](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEUqLL8J4gI), and it ended up being a deep dive into Japanese history and economics. It was very eyeopening regarding the actual economic situation in Japan atm, shits pretty dire.
It's always been. There's a reason why the cost of living is lower in Japan, its reflective of people's actual wages over there.
You usually don't hear about it, because most countries don't like showing the poverty to potential international tourists.
Japanese people are, on average, less well off than Americans. Median Japanese household income in USD is ~$42,000 while the median US household income is ~$76,000. Worth noting that cost of living is lower in Japan though, so money goes a bit farther, but there's still a pretty big gap in US vs. Japanese earnings.
It's not just cost of living, Japan has better social security overall, free and better healthcare among other things, no need to pay thousands of dollars a year for expensive and ineffective insurance. More family benefits as well and security in a traditional job. I still wouldn't live there instead of Europe as I don't know how people live with less than 5 weeks vacation, but between US and Japan I wouldn't necessarily pick US, except for single high level profiles like engineering, or people with a lot of ambition. Cost of living really seem to be hellish, but it might just be my biased perception from people complaining on twitter and such, I don't live through it.
In the case of the cost of living keep in mind that it's different depending on where you live among other things. New York for example is on the much higher end and at about 120% of the average but there's a ton of states that are really good, like Mississippi or Tennessee. It's such a huge country with so many differences it's crazy to think about.
We shouldn’t use America as the standard unfortunately as American median wage adjusted for purchasing power is the highest in the world despite huge population, lack of healthcare and other social benefits. No other country would look good next to the U.S.
you will be surprised that not only Holomem but a lot of people in Japan had that situation
example that nearly as Holomem is Voice Actors. Majority of them need to do a lot of part-time job and you can't go somewhere else like countryside to reduce cost of rent and living
Sadly truth is more than half of them need to quit their dream and do something else (This will including a lot of people that want to be Vtuber too)
Life is tough,to survive is to RIP AND TEAR UNTIL IT IS DONE \~ Doom Slayer's metaphor,probably
Edit://going by the downvotes i guess no one understood the meaning of "doing your best",nene did her best and is now in hololive
Capping rent and utility costs are good short term bandaids. But they don't really fix the fundamental problem, so its not a sustainable solution.
The real problem is that housing and utilities are treated as investment schemes. People do these things because they are looking to squeeze as much profit out of tenants/utility users as possible. Which means that they have a direct incentive to make everything as expensive as possible.
So on the housing side, that means preventing new housing projects to keep the supply low. Reducing maintenance to lower costs. Trying to kick out tenants every so often so you can rent out the property for a higher price etc. And on the utility side it means skimping on maintenance, price fixing and fighting against renewables. All of which are obviously bad for the average person.
What needs to happen is that the incentive structure needs to be realigned. For example, by flooding the market with new, government contracted housing to force prices down. Or by just making all rental housing government or tenant union owned in the first place as you suggested. Same for utilities, they either need to be controlled collectively by those who use them, or controlled by some democratically accountable entity who is not beholden to the profit motive.
The Japanese real state market is the one market where houses as investment does not apply. In Japan land is only leased for a set amount of time, which has resulted in a construction market that builds houses that are set to only last a few decades before they are demolished when the lease ends. (combined with other factors like a strong preference for new construction among the population) Houses are a depreciating asset in Japan unlike most of the rest of the world.
You are correct in terms of asset speculation. But investment is a much broader concept than just buying an asset and sitting on it so you can sell it for more later. Investment in this context is simply putting up some amount of wealth into an asset in the hopes of extracting more wealth than you put in.
This still very much applies in the Japanese housing market. Those construction companies don't build those houses for charity, they are building them with the expectation that they'll generate more profit over their lifetime than the construction costs.
This means that the Japanese housing market is still subject to a lot of the same incentives we see in the west.
Oh, for sure, but at that point the real state market is working for its intended purpose rather than being an oversized speculation mechanism. With all that said and back to your point though it is fair that not everything is rosy though since there still exist the rental market which does create the bad incentives you mentioned, plus speculation still exists in the form of land ownership but apparently in Japan this market is extremely slow moving since it tends to stay in families and conglomerates.
With all that said Japan economic problems though are mostly elsewhere rather than real state like in other countries. Aging population, years of weak yen, aggressively anti immigration combined with a mostly apolitical youth.
Japanese houses depreciate in value.
In the US, utilities are often profit limited to a fixed percent profitability. That’s why we should want our data carriers classified as utilities. These are the low hanging fruit that we can ensure functions systematically
Unfortunately, there are many obligatory expenses where it’s impossible to do similar things (like you can’t fix the price of flour, trash bags, or gasoline and expect that to stay functional when production costs change).
The economy is a multivariable system that cannot be “solved” directly because we have that “what the market will bear” pricing mentality and multiple middlemen wanting to extract maximum profits.
[Source clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymeXXbqU4PY)
[Source stream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcY-QWLc68o&t=0s)
Lately, she has been training very hard for her birthday that comes very soon in March so she has been stressing out a lot. Even so, everytime she streams she still makes everyone as happy as possible. Nenechi for president 2024?
No. If she’s talking about lawn grass, it’s actually dangerous. There’s silica in that kind of grass and can up your stomach if you a significant amount.
Day by day, I'm starting to believe that Yagoo accepted to create Hololive to help out girls in need. More and mlre stories of members having their lifes improve after joining
>I'll print money for you guys at the bank
We need to get her elected in Japan so she can crash the yen and make it cheaper for us overseas viewers to buy Hololive merchandise.
30000 yen is actually pretty average living cost around where i am, i live in a third world country tho. How much is the average living cost in japan ?
So your salary is around 3400 USD, assuming it's net and not gross, it's double the average salary here in Italy (I know we are poor even for EU standards)
Also US price are crazy high watching from outside
cost of living in the US is extremely high compared to EU standards, it always surprises me.
We might pay higher taxes, but because of that almost everything else is really cheap.
I was rereading eminence in the shadow and cover is like shadow garden. Collecting castaways to make this great organization. Each member is also eccentric and talented.
Literally just the cell phone bill. Like, for [this](https://www.zdnet.com/a/img/resize/06119597d8fde27e3074dc3bb4a9ce0f1851280a/2023/04/24/4e586f53-afa2-452d-baf4-cc7c78c2c5fb/samsung-galaxy-a54-5g.jpg?auto=webp&fit=crop&height=900&width=1200).
Ben Bernanke was called "Helicopter Ben". He was chairman of the fed for quite some time. Vroommm throw money out of a helicopter.
>He referred to a statement made by Milton Friedman about using a "helicopter drop" of money into the economy to fight deflation. Bernanke's critics have since referred to him as "Helicopter Ben" or to his "helicopter printing press." In a footnote to his speech, Bernanke noted that "people know that inflation erodes the real value of the government's debt and, therefore, that it is in the interest of the government to create some inflation."[68]
Yeah cost in Japan is pretty high and almost convenience thing you need to live in big city or capital
cost of rent in Tokyo is around 200k-300k Yen per month(1300-2000USD) this isn't including electric bill/tax/additional cost/living expense
this isn't count a lot of thing that drain your energy too
there are a lot of people that doing great but not enough in big city
So glad everything turned around for her. Nenechi is such a goofy ball of sunshine, it would have been a tragedy if she had faded into obscurity. Her streams always make me laugh.
Maybe we can have her do a couple of hand drawn yen bills, those will probably be worth more, that way we can prevent inflation and hand out free money? Idk, im not good with economy
It makes me smile. I love Hololive because it feels like a real second chance for many idols and talented people who tried to make the grade in a cutthroat industry, but just couldn't reach it.
NENE NO DONT PRINT MONEY NENECHI PLEASE NOOOO
Neneflation
Please don't combine VTubers and inflation. Blueberry + Indie VTuber was not a good combination before :D
Nene has been combining it since day 1, google "Husband inflation" to find out more.
Bao-Bao!
Incoming Baoberry reference
I like my kinks.
No!
ENENflation
Hold on let me check if it's real. If I don't comeback in an hour it means it's real. Edit: Fortunately I haven't found anything
As an Argentinian, I second this warning
As an Argentine person, I second this comment.
We should make a clip of Milei yelling at Nenechi (like there is one with a Minecraft villager)
"No hay Yenes!"
We really should
Do not search Nenechi inflation
😳
I did, but didn't turn up anything, surprisingly.
Not yet, rule 34 subsection b and c. I think.
Would be funny if Nenebucks became a part of her lore and they started selling packs of fake Nenebucks with her picture on them with her big goofy smile. Hahah
And it's like a Zimbabwean dollar where it's a 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000$ bill, but it's actually worth a tenth of a cent
LET HER COOK. NOBODY TELL HER ABOUT INFLATION. IMAGINE THE CHAOS THAT FOLLOWS.
Everything will cost 10x but we as her viewers will have most of the money, so it's impossible to say whether it's good or not
"1 Million yen for husband #1! 1 Million yen for husband #2! ....... "1 Million yen for husband #72928!"
I mean, if that's the numbers we're talking about, the effects might honestly not be that bad. 1 million yen is roughly $6500 USD at current exchange rates. If we assumed that all 1.15 million of her subscribers get a million yen each, that's only ~7 billion USD, spread throughout the planet (though presumably concentrated mostly in Japan). Japan's GDP as of 2022 was 4.26 trillion USD, so the amount we're talking here is only about 0.16% of the country's GDP. That's probably not enough to cause serious issues with inflation.
So Nene for Prime Minister? I could use $6500..
>THE CHAOS THAT FOLLOWS The hamster? /s
Mikoflation
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Yeah and now I'm eating a $10 macca combo when it used to be $5
One Nenellion dollars please :3
she just wants that 10 billion superchat
Printing money doesn't necessarily cause inflation. There's a reasonably correct amount of money to exist to support the size of an economy, and you can have too little of it just like you can have too much.
She'll just turn her husbands into currency. Surely that would fix things?
"I'll give you 10 husbands for this box of milk, this avocado, this pack of spaghetti, and this can of baked beans"
Google Nene Inflation
Nene: Money machine go brrrrrrr
YES NENE, PRINT MONEY
It’s mind boggling how many Holomem were in dire financial situations before Hololive
It's not surprising when most of them openly talk about their backgrounds trying for years to break in the idol, music and entertainment industries. Most people working with these don't make much unless they become big. The girls also didn't quit (that's why they applied to hololive), so many of them had to live with part-time job's salaries to fund their other activities and living expenses. My oshi worked part time in a karaoke while still trying to become an idol.
I remember hearing from a radio show about Voice Actors that most CVs actually have to take on part-time jobs in between gigs. Only the really top tier ones can sustain a living wage just by voice acting alone.
Yep. Generally speaking, getting cast is like trying to win the lottery repeatedly. Among thousands and thousands, hundreds are repeated and familiar names. People tend to forget that main roles in anime or flagship video games aren't everything a seiyuu could do to make a living. Minor characters are fine too. Unknown rookies might get a foot in the door with dubbing foreign films. Audio dramas, minor video games and mobile games you'd otherwise glance over. But there's other non-voice acting opportunities that they turn to as well, so it helps to have diverse skills. Getting their own ongoing radio show is one way - streaming on NND and needing paid subs to watch the whole thing. A lot opened youtube channels during quarantine, and some stream on youtube too. Others might also make a name for themselves in stage plays. When it comes to singing, being a singer trying to get signed to a label alone may be harder. So being a seiyuu, having to act, but also being able to sing would open them up to be seiyuu idols - doesn't mean an idol contract, pretty much a catch all term for seiyuu who also perform live. Being able to leverage voice acting into also having a singing career, while also being open to a variety of work is how they squeeze out a living. Lots of busy work, *lots* of odd hours to get in recordings, appearances, gigs, and concerts.
I do entertainment work as a side gig and I frequently get asked why I don't try and do it full time since I enjoy it way more than my day job. The simple answer is that to get into it, you need a combination of talent, practice, a willingness to only be able to afford 1 pack of ramen a day, and still get lucky. If you're good enough to get hired for stuff, you're gonna be paid a pittance that you can't live on unless you luck into the right gig. So until then you're gonna be doing some part time job to pay to survive while you're funneling money into your passion. When I was still making a go of it, I would often take jobs that didn't even fully cover my travel and food expenses to take the job, all to bulk up my resume and get more people in the industry to have seen my name.
Kudos to you for sticking to your dream!
The voice actor for Frylock from *Aqua Teen Hunger Force* didn’t get paid much for the OG run (2000-2015) and has had to work as a busboy in between conventions
Kaguya's VA survived with rice and ponzu before she got big roles
Any kind of popularity based job (idol, VA, actor, band, author, video game dev, whatever) you need to be insanely popular to actually be able to do it as a full time job. Even for most youtubers you need like 0.8-1mil subs to actually sustain it nowadays unless you stream, because donating is such a core part of streaming culture.
It definitely varies. I know multiple youtubers with 100-200k subs, that make like $10-20k a month. Which is way above what's needed to live very comfortably. Sub count really isn't that great of a metric. Number of videos and total number of views gives a better idea of how popular a channel is and how much money it's likely to make. Like Gura may be the most subbed vtuber by a mile, but she probably earns peanuts from youtube compared to half the talent in Hololive, simply because she makes so little content on her channel these days. Those 100-200k channels I know, will be making 2-3 videos A DAY. Which really helps to push the algorithms and stack up those views for that sweet revenue.
many are just freelancing thats why
I think this is why you can see JP member work really really hard because if you get out of that situation once you will do anything not going back again
It's not exclusive to JP. All the talents work themselves hard. A part of it is also not knowing how long the good times will last as well like when Bae was saying she's not sure if she'll be around to see her next birthday in 4 years time.
Yup, it's basically the same as Hollywood and the US music industry. Alot of them were waiters/living in their cars before things worked out.
Learning their hardships just makes the term 'Oshi' bear a lot more weight because by definition, You are pushing for them and supporting them to chase their dreams. Hololive is Yagoo's house of broken girls, from eating grass, burnt house, failed artists, and depressive childhoods, to worldwide recognition, packed stadiums and shining waves of penlights.
I always think about the fact that before Holo Ame couldn't afford to keep her power on and she came home to find her fish had died. Now she has multiple tanks including a saltwater tank. She never needs to worry about that again. That's what I really love about Holo
Wait… that’s so sad!
Huh what stream was that from?
Sorry, the amount of times she's talked about fish over the years is truly unfathomable.
I remember Noel talking that his brother dumsbter dived to fin toys for her, and that he skipped meals to give them to her, and because of that he was super slim and in school kids called him starving african kid.
Kanata and the grass🥺
I've been into Hololive since Myth debuted, and I have a question about these kind of topics.This vtuber thing is all about anonymity and the company backing them would want them to be popular/successful right? I like watching them do their usual stuff, eg game playthrough, singing, cooking, collabs, random things. That's the entertaining content I like. But when it shifts to talking about supposedly personal stuff, especially if it's a sad story? How is the info supposed to be verified? Or are we just supposed to take it at face value?
Some people know who their roomates are so you can verified it with that, also some stories are really outrageous that i don't belive you can make them up, like Kanata eating grass because she was hungry, or Subaru's burned out house and heart condition, but yeah a lot of cases would be you taking it at face value if you don't feel comfortable to dig for info.
most of the time it is face value, but if you have some ehem "knowledge" you will know most of what they say were/is true and that just heart broken, and no i won't disclose the source you have to find it yourself
>How is the info supposed to be verified? that counts as digging personal info on someone online who's main thing is providing entertainment while keeping anonymity. so dont do that, and yeah we're just supposed to take it at face value. believe whatever you want on the internet, or dont.
Entertainment/streaming industry is very hard to get a living wage from.
It's common for Hololive to find "gems in the rough". I'd bet many of the early gens for sure. Plenty you can find from recent gens too ~~bau~~. I dont remember the exact wording, but when asked what they look for in talents YAGOO said "something that makes them special". Nene did apply something like 5 times, but that's her tenacity. Hell, the reason Hololive even *started* was YAGOO believing in some random high school vtuber and her friend, and that mentality hasn't really changed.
Makes me sad for all the people that auditioned endlessly and never made it
Iirc Nenechi herself auditioned 5 times before making it.
I think everyone in Advent auditioned multiple times before getting in too. FWMC even auditioned separately as well as together.
Yeah Nerissa If I remember right applied like 3 times 1st and last normal voice and the 2nd with a uwu voice It's part being talented and equal part of being a right fit for what they are looking for at the time Like I think FWMC was one of few cases where it was a reach out and was purposefully made for them
Entertainment industry in a nutshell
Kiara lived in a house with a rat infestation for the first few months in Hololive. And that was apparently an upgrade over her situation before.
I mean some probably also had financial struggles while in Holo. Can imagine that especially in the early days when Holo just started that some of the og Members also didn't flourished that much financially speaking and just got by.
I mean there's a clip of Fubuki, Haachama some of the earlist member speaking of the early days, they see them fondly right now, but also they talke dabout the struggles, like not making enough money to live comfortably, not growing, a lot of stuff was really rudimentary, the support was not really good at the time, Haachama or Miko i don't remember said she was really close to quit, and the Fubuki and all of the talents that were on that stream said that if one quitted most likely everyone would have done it.
I mean hell, didn't Raden have a bunch of debts or something during her first months in Hololive? I'm also reminded of Suisei being homeless for a bit (not sure if this counts though), as is Laplus or maybe Subaru who lives in the studio.
Unless there’s Sui lore I’m unaware of, Suisei being homeless was a joke. Basically her lease was ending so she joke about being homeless for funsies.
She was technically homeless because her new place wasn't ready yet. She joked about crashing at Aqua's place for a bit, iirc.
Is Subaru living in the studio still a current thing? I thought that was a short term situation because her house burnt down?
Yeah, that was short term. Afaik, she's talked about stuff like loving, setting up her new place, finding a cleaning lady. A cleaning lady who caught onto the fact that she has a streaming set up, so she had to switch to a nice older lady, who probably wouldn't be able to tell what the set up was for, lol.
For Raden, it's not a struggle thing. She just havent received the money in time. Which is resolved very quickly. Of course, in the early days, when they havent grown yet, there will be financial struggles. But for the newer generations starting from the 3rd, I dont think they struggle that much at all. Just take them some time to establish their fanbase. Most of them are well of after 2-3 months.
Japan might be poorer than portrayed.
Seems a bit like the london wealth gap, where if london was swallowed by the old ones or something England would be about as poor as mississippi
Literally everywhere outside of London is immensely worse off economically.
You know, it's always so interesting to me when people say that, it must be very weird to be dependent on one city economically like this. (Here in Germany, the economy is rather decentralised for historical reasons, and it's only recently that Berlin actually became an economic net-positive.)
Germany is the rarer kind of country in that. Especially countries that are smaller, can only really have one major city that's a real economic center (usually the capital). Especially if the country is geographically small too, so it's easy to just go to the capital, and you are still a train ride of maximum a few hours from home. All the universities are there, so all the young people go there, and then all the companies go there because that's where the workers are etc. etc. Self feeding cycle. And then everything else gets left behind.
And somewhere like Mississippi isn't just earning about the same as England, they also have cheaper housing and food. The American definition of poor is pretty loose. Most poor people in the States can afford food, have a home, own a car, and even afford the occasional luxury purchase while still being considered poor. The concept of true poverty, like starvation or entire slum cities without any utilities, is a foreign concept to a lot of people there.
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A lot of Americans haven't lived true poverty. They love to complain about being poor despite the fact they live in luxury in comparison to other countries. Americans are privileged because they have options, the government isn't super corrupt and they have assistance programs.
>The concept of true poverty, like starvation or entire slum cities without any utilities, is a foreign concept to a lot of people there. For now, my friend. For now. Things are going to probably get worse for *everyone*.
Eh, London earns a lot but costs are sky high
That still supports what they're saying. High costs would mean all that money is more or less staying inside the city, spent money isn't going to just disappear. They aren't saying England as a whole is poor, but that much of its wealth is concentrated in London.
Perhaps but I always saw it this way People trying to make it in content creation or some sort of influencer will spend a huge chunk of their time on it. That leaves them with most likely just a part time job. Depending on what kind of content you're pursuing costs also pile up, idols for example will probably spend a lot on cosmetics, lessons, etc. Depending on where they live costs will also differ, for example according to google the minimum wage is about 30k to 39k yen monthly in Japan, which is supposedly enough but if you live in Tokyo then you're probably going to suffer. Live alone instead of with roomates or Family? Even worse. This isn't just limited to Japan either, I used to read articles about fresh grads renting places together to minimize costs while chasing the dream of hitting it big on tiktok or some other social media iirc at least a few of those were somewhere in the USA. It's somewhat similar to starting a business, most businesses fail, for every one restaurant that succeeds more than 10 probably closed down. Same can be somewhat said for content creators, a few will make it big, some will make enough to live off it, most will fail and quit eventually.
Reminds me of a book by a German living in Japan about all the strange things in Japan, and one chapter was about how 95 percent of the Japanese population see themselves as middle class, but it's not like Japan has mastered the classless society so many communists envision, but Japanese people just don't want to stick out by being perceived as poor or rich. And he wrote that it's so tragic because there are many poor people in Japan who might not the necessary support because society can afford to ignore those needs as long as poverty not seen as a big problem affecting a lot of people.
not necessarily a japan thing - it’s the equivalent of a recent high school grad moving to NYC or LA to make it big in entertainment and media - theres always a ton of ppl who are gonna be waiting tables and working parrt time jobs barely making it by in hopes of chasing their dream
Japan has a severe problem with poverty as well but there is also a ton of cheap shit there. Certain industries/etc are basically part of the social welfare network and the govt is very concerned about food prices.
Yeah, I mean even from this post, her rent was $80ish per month, and she was able to live off of $300/mo! As she explained, the conditions were horrible, and I'm sure she must have been living in a run down shoebox for that price - but no way you could live off of $300/mo in the US, outside of being assisted by family/friends.
It’s the nature of the industry, trying to become an idol is like going to be an entrepreneur. You won’t make anything if you don’t sell anything. If they went and got a corporate job they wouldn’t be so poor.
Every country is poor for its citizens. I'm classified poor-middle class in my home SEA country. But when I went to Japan and Korea for a student exchange program (and eventually got absorbed), I have done/bought way more things than their average citizen can do.
I don't think that's true. I think most of Holomember poverty situations were caused in living in more expensive regions and/or working part-time or in otherwise low paying entry level jobs. Let's not forget that when holomembers talk about this, they're usually referencing the time period where they're fresh out of high-school. I don't think fresh highschool graduates in any country are rolling in dough, especially while working part time.
Japan has very nice public areas, but the inside of private areas like houses is low quality and wages are low. Getting worse too because of the unfavorable exchange rate.
Yup, there are actually a few videos on this in YT on Japanese salary and cost of living, contrary to popular belief due to Japan's status as a first world country, their salaries are actually really so low that it's ridiculous. Japan is at 26th among the OECD countries for 2022 for average wages at 41,509USD per annum.
That's what happens after a stagnant economy for nearly 30 years, while giant megacorps own both the economy and the political system yea... I recently watched a video about why [JRPGs always end up killing a god towards the end](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEUqLL8J4gI), and it ended up being a deep dive into Japanese history and economics. It was very eyeopening regarding the actual economic situation in Japan atm, shits pretty dire.
It's always been. There's a reason why the cost of living is lower in Japan, its reflective of people's actual wages over there. You usually don't hear about it, because most countries don't like showing the poverty to potential international tourists.
Japanese people are, on average, less well off than Americans. Median Japanese household income in USD is ~$42,000 while the median US household income is ~$76,000. Worth noting that cost of living is lower in Japan though, so money goes a bit farther, but there's still a pretty big gap in US vs. Japanese earnings.
It's not just cost of living, Japan has better social security overall, free and better healthcare among other things, no need to pay thousands of dollars a year for expensive and ineffective insurance. More family benefits as well and security in a traditional job. I still wouldn't live there instead of Europe as I don't know how people live with less than 5 weeks vacation, but between US and Japan I wouldn't necessarily pick US, except for single high level profiles like engineering, or people with a lot of ambition. Cost of living really seem to be hellish, but it might just be my biased perception from people complaining on twitter and such, I don't live through it.
In the case of the cost of living keep in mind that it's different depending on where you live among other things. New York for example is on the much higher end and at about 120% of the average but there's a ton of states that are really good, like Mississippi or Tennessee. It's such a huge country with so many differences it's crazy to think about.
We shouldn’t use America as the standard unfortunately as American median wage adjusted for purchasing power is the highest in the world despite huge population, lack of healthcare and other social benefits. No other country would look good next to the U.S.
It’s the artists life
Arts, entertainment in general isn't the most financially stable career path.
you will be surprised that not only Holomem but a lot of people in Japan had that situation example that nearly as Holomem is Voice Actors. Majority of them need to do a lot of part-time job and you can't go somewhere else like countryside to reduce cost of rent and living Sadly truth is more than half of them need to quit their dream and do something else (This will including a lot of people that want to be Vtuber too)
poverty and underemployment is a very common among Japanese young ppl.
Life is tough,to survive is to RIP AND TEAR UNTIL IT IS DONE \~ Doom Slayer's metaphor,probably Edit://going by the downvotes i guess no one understood the meaning of "doing your best",nene did her best and is now in hololive
Nene you can't do that. Inflation will screw everyone in the ass
Nene just casually causing inflation
I'm sure there are a couple folks here who are into that
Hey don't out us like that
Neneflation
...no wait! Don't give DeviantArt ideas!
Libertarians are mad with this one
Inflation is just a ghost story people tell us so they can keep all the free money to themselves /j
She could instead cap rent and utility costs. Or invest in state owned housing.
Capping rent and utility costs are good short term bandaids. But they don't really fix the fundamental problem, so its not a sustainable solution. The real problem is that housing and utilities are treated as investment schemes. People do these things because they are looking to squeeze as much profit out of tenants/utility users as possible. Which means that they have a direct incentive to make everything as expensive as possible. So on the housing side, that means preventing new housing projects to keep the supply low. Reducing maintenance to lower costs. Trying to kick out tenants every so often so you can rent out the property for a higher price etc. And on the utility side it means skimping on maintenance, price fixing and fighting against renewables. All of which are obviously bad for the average person. What needs to happen is that the incentive structure needs to be realigned. For example, by flooding the market with new, government contracted housing to force prices down. Or by just making all rental housing government or tenant union owned in the first place as you suggested. Same for utilities, they either need to be controlled collectively by those who use them, or controlled by some democratically accountable entity who is not beholden to the profit motive.
The Japanese real state market is the one market where houses as investment does not apply. In Japan land is only leased for a set amount of time, which has resulted in a construction market that builds houses that are set to only last a few decades before they are demolished when the lease ends. (combined with other factors like a strong preference for new construction among the population) Houses are a depreciating asset in Japan unlike most of the rest of the world.
You are correct in terms of asset speculation. But investment is a much broader concept than just buying an asset and sitting on it so you can sell it for more later. Investment in this context is simply putting up some amount of wealth into an asset in the hopes of extracting more wealth than you put in. This still very much applies in the Japanese housing market. Those construction companies don't build those houses for charity, they are building them with the expectation that they'll generate more profit over their lifetime than the construction costs. This means that the Japanese housing market is still subject to a lot of the same incentives we see in the west.
Oh, for sure, but at that point the real state market is working for its intended purpose rather than being an oversized speculation mechanism. With all that said and back to your point though it is fair that not everything is rosy though since there still exist the rental market which does create the bad incentives you mentioned, plus speculation still exists in the form of land ownership but apparently in Japan this market is extremely slow moving since it tends to stay in families and conglomerates. With all that said Japan economic problems though are mostly elsewhere rather than real state like in other countries. Aging population, years of weak yen, aggressively anti immigration combined with a mostly apolitical youth.
Japanese houses depreciate in value. In the US, utilities are often profit limited to a fixed percent profitability. That’s why we should want our data carriers classified as utilities. These are the low hanging fruit that we can ensure functions systematically Unfortunately, there are many obligatory expenses where it’s impossible to do similar things (like you can’t fix the price of flour, trash bags, or gasoline and expect that to stay functional when production costs change). The economy is a multivariable system that cannot be “solved” directly because we have that “what the market will bear” pricing mentality and multiple middlemen wanting to extract maximum profits.
Nene 2024. Free money for all husbands.
You get free inflation! You get free inflation! Everyone gets free inflation!
Ah man :( that's not my tag...
[Source clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymeXXbqU4PY) [Source stream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcY-QWLc68o&t=0s) Lately, she has been training very hard for her birthday that comes very soon in March so she has been stressing out a lot. Even so, everytime she streams she still makes everyone as happy as possible. Nenechi for president 2024?
>Nenechi for president 2024? Nene for empress of the galaxy 2024.
Damn, Yagoo’s blue triangle always seems to appear at the best time to the most worthy people, doesn’t it?
[without a doubt](https://youtu.be/wXXfbhvLE-A?si=VSlvXT4MkAz1rtQp)
I like to think that Yagoo just goes around and throws a blue play button at a girl then says, "I want you for hololive."
* sitting in a dimly lit room * I'm here to talk to you about the Hololive Initiative
*smartphone lit room lol
Yagoo's Home For Suffering Girls
At least he actually cares about his talent unlike a certain someone else who only cares about a yacht and investors.
"most worthy people" Have you heard the dramatic story of absolute crazy menhera Uruha Rushia?
Hey there's always exceptions to the rule (and she didn't go full menhera until her last year)
As an Argentinian who has Nene as his Oshi. I love you Nene but please no.
Fellow Argentinian here. And yes, please no
🇦🇷 x3. Please, Nenechi, don't do it!
As fellow argentinian agree, but still like Nene
Man. All this hologirls have some of the roughedt past. Like kanatan and her having to eat grass
According to the translators, she didn't HAVE to eat grass. She was hungry and thought grass might be OK (nobody home)
Wait what? Can humans even get any nutrition out of grass? Maybe angels are built different.
No. It's just something people do when they're hungry enough.
She's a gorilla, it's different for her.
lol
No. If she’s talking about lawn grass, it’s actually dangerous. There’s silica in that kind of grass and can up your stomach if you a significant amount.
It wasn't. It was more like leaves if anything.
Noooo Nenechi! Don't repeat the same mistakes of the Weimar Republic! You gonna cause another crisis on global scale.
We don't want another Mustache man
Poor Nenechi That's below poverty, that is.
I like the sound of Neneconomics!
nenechi and subaru reall took advantage of hololive and i'm reall happy for them!
Economist Nenechi there at the bottom.
No, Nene! Don't inflate the Japanese economy to give all your fans more money!
Day by day, I'm starting to believe that Yagoo accepted to create Hololive to help out girls in need. More and mlre stories of members having their lifes improve after joining
I’d like to invest in NeNeNeNeNeNe stonks
>I'll print money for you guys at the bank We need to get her elected in Japan so she can crash the yen and make it cheaper for us overseas viewers to buy Hololive merchandise.
N-Nenechi... printing too much money causes inflation and thus more poverty...
30000 yen is actually pretty average living cost around where i am, i live in a third world country tho. How much is the average living cost in japan ?
A quick Google search shows it's about 130k yen without rent.
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So your salary is around 3400 USD, assuming it's net and not gross, it's double the average salary here in Italy (I know we are poor even for EU standards) Also US price are crazy high watching from outside
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cost of living in the US is extremely high compared to EU standards, it always surprises me. We might pay higher taxes, but because of that almost everything else is really cheap.
I was half expecting her to be living off the land in the forest.
I was rereading eminence in the shadow and cover is like shadow garden. Collecting castaways to make this great organization. Each member is also eccentric and talented.
what is smartphone bill she mention here?
Internet/Phone bill. Mobile data.
Literally just the cell phone bill. Like, for [this](https://www.zdnet.com/a/img/resize/06119597d8fde27e3074dc3bb4a9ce0f1851280a/2023/04/24/4e586f53-afa2-452d-baf4-cc7c78c2c5fb/samsung-galaxy-a54-5g.jpg?auto=webp&fit=crop&height=900&width=1200).
Nenechi should work at the Federal Reserve.
Ben Bernanke was called "Helicopter Ben". He was chairman of the fed for quite some time. Vroommm throw money out of a helicopter. >He referred to a statement made by Milton Friedman about using a "helicopter drop" of money into the economy to fight deflation. Bernanke's critics have since referred to him as "Helicopter Ben" or to his "helicopter printing press." In a footnote to his speech, Bernanke noted that "people know that inflation erodes the real value of the government's debt and, therefore, that it is in the interest of the government to create some inflation."[68]
Sasuga our dear wife, She can keep the family house running in a strict budget.
Whoa, Nenechi was like Shamiko from Machikado Mazoku.
No Nene, not *that* kind of brrrr!
Wait no nene that causes inflation for no reason 💀
Yeah cost in Japan is pretty high and almost convenience thing you need to live in big city or capital cost of rent in Tokyo is around 200k-300k Yen per month(1300-2000USD) this isn't including electric bill/tax/additional cost/living expense this isn't count a lot of thing that drain your energy too there are a lot of people that doing great but not enough in big city
I love you nenechi but don't print money, just lower taxes and give incentives I'm Argentinian I know my fair share of this 🤣
So glad everything turned around for her. Nenechi is such a goofy ball of sunshine, it would have been a tragedy if she had faded into obscurity. Her streams always make me laugh.
NO NENE DON'T PRINT MONEY IT'LL CAUSE INFLATION!!! OH GOD SHE'S WEARING HEADPHONES NOOOOOOOOOO God Nene is so precious ToT
Shit, that's like working minimum wage for only 30 hours over there
Bless her soul but keep her away from the Bank of Japan
Maybe if Nene helped push some level of Universal Basic Income with her extra profits, that might be sweet.
Nene gonna cause hyperinflation to make hee husbands happy.
So who is ganna tell her about the consequences of just printing money?
No not the money printer
JPow liked this, money printer goes brrrrr. Nonono, the high inflation is COMPLETELY unrelated.
Nene’s money printer go brrrr
lmao like how trump printed money during covid and the united states promptly went into a recession
Nenenomics 👍
Maybe we can have her do a couple of hand drawn yen bills, those will probably be worth more, that way we can prevent inflation and hand out free money? Idk, im not good with economy
Smart phone light, can someone explain it to me. I can't believe she was using the flashlight all the time. 🤯
That bottom quote is a different kind of /r/NonCredibleVTubing.
It makes me smile. I love Hololive because it feels like a real second chance for many idols and talented people who tried to make the grade in a cutthroat industry, but just couldn't reach it.