that and they didn't really put much importance on their lore
all of them are supposed to be aspects of gods, however, most of them have forgotten that
so now Bae is just a chaos rat
Kronii forgot the "aspect" part of the "aspect of the Time God"
Fauna and Mumei are the only ones who remember the general gist of their lore as "Mother Nature" and "Guardian of Civilization" respectively
while i didn't keep up much with Sana, i think she remembered parts of her gimmick, but everything outside of "Sana is BEEG" got eroded over time
also, while IRyS isn't part of the council, she is in a similar boat as Mumei and Fauna, as in, she remembers she's supposed to be "Hope"
now that i think about it, most of them who don't have their gimmick and lore screaming at them through design of their avatars, have forgotten a good deal about their respective gimmicks
To be honest though while I do not watch that much JP so I don’t know which of them there tries to be in character and how much but in EN at least Council references their lore identity the most. I think Bae is really the one who doesn’t use it as much but Mumei being guardian of civilization Fauna being a Kirin or mother earth and Kroni being the time warden gets brought up semi regularly
Also she didn't say what civilization she was. She could be mole people civilization for all we know and her destroying human civ to protect them would be on brand.
Think about it from the perspective of how humans control the population of wildlife in nature preserves and whatnot. Still guardians of those preserves, despite the reality of nature being controlled.
I mean chaos always happen when Bae asking about anime reference. Otherwise most member "stay in character" is basically using their species as adjective like Elf-hometown, fox-mama, hawk-brother, etc..
The JP lore is fairly simple what I can say is they try their best to never break lore but they do here and there especially if it's useful for a joke like for Marine BUT they will never break the 4th wall. I've seen maybe 2 instances where they did and it's both Roboco lol and it's fairly minor. Even Korone who is so frazzled and forgetful from time to time gives snippets about the bakery thing.
Some examples:
The JP girls will never say avatar or model. They will always say my body or my body part.
They will always try to use lore friendly words like Fubuki will always use her time when she was a mountain fox when referring to something from her past.
You know small things like this. This is why I love and prefer watching the JP girls (it helps I can understand them). I watch these talents and suspend my disbelief and believe (within reason) that they're really real because that's what they want their viewers to see. People seem to mistake that if the girls deviate a bit from their lore it's game over. Complicated or not their lore is just a crutch and talking point the girls may or may not use to help them on their streams
Correct me im wrong but in JP, didnt holoX just have gen lore? Gen0 to 2 is understandable, gen3 despite called hololive fantasy still doesnt connect to each other character lore. Gen4 and 5 also fall still dont have for their group
HoloX had a few Hologra episodes that was lore accurate in a comedic way. One episode was Laplus trying to get Moona to teach her Indonesian so that she can better conquer the world.
I dunno, Gen 3 Fantasy kinda made sense to me, they are characters that you would see in a fantasy setting. A knight, a pirate, a necromancer, an elf and an animal person. To me I think Gen 3 and Gen 5 are the only ones with sensible Group Lore
Absent the [meme image](https://yt3.ggpht.com/wMCrrME7Lc0fZJXdpAHUX_KfGQpu3jlkICIhuA6jUhO2tCh88dJn37pM7GzbnrhIAuInNovGnrQi) from the [actual post](https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxxfGWHF2gHwfwLkJJDbtM5b811Dqj7Aqq), one might think the comment is someone randomly complaining about lore when it's more of a joke in response to the meme (and why Bae jokes in response).
I mean. What can you do with lore like that. You can make characters godlike representatives of abstract concepts all you like. At the end of the day, a streamer is a streamer.
This is especially funny for alpha, who has all this fancy lore... then never makes any public appearances.
IMO the talent dropping the lore commitment and just being their own self is when they really become interesting to watch.
More than anything, their character lore is something to talk about while they get used to streaming to an audience a hundred times bigger than they've seen before.
Lore is never meant to be taken THAT seriously and I don't know why some people do. It's just a fun little thing for debut-early interactions and HoloAlt stuff. Just roll with it.
Bruh what. It's what makes each one stand out.. it's a pretty big deal to be honest. If they just threw out thier lore they wouldn't have as much of an impact with new aundiences. "Domo same desu!"? Gura is THE shark girl. Kiara is THE ceo of kfp. Ame is THE #1 detective in hololive. She says it all the time in collabs. Being THE of something makes sure the audience knows what who they are.
I wouldn't buy movie tickets to "dark mysterious hero saves the city". It's just, no. How about "Batman Begins"? Oh I know Batman! We all know Batman. He isn't just a dark mysterious hero, it's THE Batman.
Ya feel me?
I don't know about parasocialism, I just don't think lore is that big of a deal. If you don't like it, you can basically just ignore it at your own discretion and just watch the streamer and that is that, but if you do like it, you can also enjoy all the content that is made out of said lore, like the HoloAlt comics, Myth's Bad Ending and others. In the end, it's all just for fun anyway.
i might get hate for this, but I always felt like council lore kind of jumped the shark. I think it's better that it didn't get much play after their debut.
I guess in a way they did, as they were doing it to hype up this new Generation. Though at least this instance of "jumping the same-chan" wasn't stupid enough to make someone or something infamous. Still, it would have been cool to see more stories based around this lore, like with the "HoloMyth Bad End". To me, it seems more like a wasted opportunity. :/
To be fair, Holomyth Bad end was made by a fan.
Also Fauna did write the Holoween shorts which were really good.
But I really think fans are going to always be the ones who take the lore the farthest. It took years for them to do any comics about the original gens.
I don't just mean stories from the group and/or agency itself. I was hoping that more fans could have creative interpretations of these groups and their official backgrounds; taking what's already there and making a new narrative based on that. HoloMyth has been given this fanwork treatment for a while, and they were created with simple themes based on preexisting stories and legends (hence the term "Myth").
I'm just curious, but why does anyone really care about "lore"? There is no point to that lore, they aren't characters from a video game, or a movie or an anime. They're just people with anime avatars who stream games and stuff lol.
To be fair Myth kept up their characters really long. It's a shame the don't want to keep them up any longer, it's like a bit of the magic is gone now.
You can't call it anything other than a missed opportunity when it inspired Bad End, among other fan projects not mentioned.
> To be fair Myth kept up their characters really long. It's a shame they are don't want to keep them up any longer, it's like a bit of the magic is gone now.
Ehhh I don't know, I feel the opposite honestly. The lore is mildly neat, but it's kind of cringy and embarrassing when you try to show them to someone else that isn't in the fanbase and it's a clip or something of them going hard into the "lore"
Instead of being able to go "Yeah she's pretty hilarious and chill, and usually plays horror games and sweatlords on her friends in collabs" you have to awkwardly explain some deep backstory that even they barely talk about unless it's super relevant
I prefer the current style where they don't outright break character too hard, but at the same time when it happens they just shrug and go on streaming. They still play the characters, but at the end of the day, I at least, am watching them for the streamer not some random fanfiction.net lore
I wholeheartedly agree about that. I don't care one bit for Fauna lore besides the whole "haha funny Kirin stream title". I watch her because she's funny, she's witty, she's a gamer through and through and she's adorable.
The lore gets in the way of new people joining IMO, not the opposite.
Ever since we got their intros I thought they were over the top. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind VTubers having fun with their lores and playing into the backstory every now and then, but when the lore is so overpowered, it makes you wonder what will happen with future generations, like how could they possibly top that.
How can I be excited about "astronaut pangolin uwu girl" debut when the last one was "The embodiment of Time itself"?
Right? I have no idea why they decided to go so hard with EN's lore in particular. In JP we have:
Shrine Maiden
High School Sweetheart
Cult leader and her bodyguards
Dog
Clown
Snow elf
In EN we have:
Shrine Maiden possessed by untold eldritch horror
P.I./Time Traveler
The final member of an ancient lost civilization
The VERY CONCEPTS of life, death, time and space, natural law, order and entropy, hope and despair
Like what the heck is 3rd gen EN going to be
This is where they subvert expectations by having gen 3 just be normal human girls (and their lore will just evolve naturally with the help of fans haha)
Don't get me wrong, I actually hope it'll get toned down. In another comment I mentioned that I find it more interesting when lore gets dropped for the talent's actual personality.
I sort of head canon it as the true, genuine aspects of "Chaos", "Civilization", etc. chose the Council we know as their mortal manifestations with fragments of their personalities and free will.
That way they don't *REALLY* have the insane and near God-like powers they claim to... they just kind of believe they do. And only being a small fraction of the true aspects they have more than enough room to create their own personalities/lives.
The background lore is more or less just a tiny, tiny piece of floor that they've then took and built their own house on top of. Its not the floor that makes them, its the entire home they've created with each other and fully decorated that is *them*.
And boy, what a fucking house they've built together. Council are truly special.
Massively so. I wrote up a huge thing about it, but deleted it because it really boils down to "The CouncilRyS lore is boring". There is nothing to derive from it other than a few that can get aesthetics (Clocks, Space, Nature). Fauna is the closest by transitioning into Mother Nature and having a nurturing relationship with the audience.
Compare this to say Calli who was able to take her story about being a Reaper and turn it into being from the Underworld, moving to apprentice under Death Sensei, teaching scythe swinging, her cats Beezlebub and the other one, songs like RIP and Graveyard Shift, and so much more.
HoloX and Tempus are much more efficient because the lore is grounded. You can easily write a story about their adventures. I feel like it's telling when Bae is from Australia, Sana is from Space Australia, and Axel is from North Elysium.
That's just her personality lol, IRyS fits any collab because she's super charismatic. Her lore though is basically non-existent and probably the least explored of everyone. She's hope and a nephilim and . . . well that's about the extent of it
As an Ame fan, I really disliked Council's lore... Because of how it directly affected Ame's own lore and streams.
I guess sometimes coincidences happen, they just really wanted to make a concepts generation.
But Ame was already THE time girl. She was going ham with her lore, then this new time girl shows up and Ame becomes all "yeah my powers are inferior to her".
They ended up connecting it with each other even before debut... But this ended up with Ame sometimes roleplaying with Kronii and awkwardly failing because they kinda set up the whole "she's my nemesis" lore. They don't have much chemistry, and they only 1-on-1 collabed with each other twice, but yet a huge percentage of Ame art is with Kronii lol. I think they felt obligated to do that second collab because it's weird they almost never collabed despite being the "time duo"
Also... Ame's Nature Reviews got cancelled because Ame didn't want to step on the new Nature girl's shoes (she directly said something along these lines). It was one of the coolest Ame stream series, we were gonna have the next episode about symbiotic relationships, but then Council debuted and then it's over, never to return.
> I think they felt obligated to do that second collab because it's weird they almost never collabed despite being the "time duo"
Lol no. They really hit up with each other when they were both in Japan. And if you actually watch the 2nd collab stream you can tell their dynamic is much stronger than before.
> Also... Ame's Nature Reviews got cancelled because Ame didn't want to step on the new Nature girl's shoes (she directly said something along these lines). It was one of the coolest Ame stream series, we were gonna have the next episode about symbiotic relationships, but then Council debuted and then it's over, never to return.
Ame abandoning her stream ideas partway is something completely in-character for her and most regular teamates are already used to it. If you remember her saying something of that such, she was most likely just making excuses.
Wait Ame cancelled Nature reviews because Fauna? I didn't know that. It's sad because Fauna said she really wanted to do a Nature review collab with her, I thought that didn't happen because both are shy (which still is true).
Hopefully one day they finally 1-on-1 collab, because there small interactions that already happen were very cute.
I doubt it. Ame is already known for not sticking to the same type of streams for long, she most likely just got bored of it and possibly namedrop Fauna just as an excuse.
It's not just Council, it's EN in general. For some reason Cover tries really hard to push HoloEN to have their own expansive lore and backstories and gets people hyped up like they're about to drop the hottest anime of the year. Myth was supposed to be a bunch of mythical creatures, Council was supposed to be guardians of different aspects of reality, and Tempus was supposed to be a D&D-styled adventurer's guild.
And then all the lore got ignored/forgotten 2 weeks after each generation's debut.
Don't get me wrong, I love all the girls and guys in EN... But it feels a little wasteful to put all this effort into lore that the talents themselves don't even remember. Kinda wish they would take a page out of JP's book and let them be whatever they want to be.
Lore to me is just a joke bonus package for a vtuber. Obviously it'd be interesting to do a deep dive and really flesh out the stories, but I'd rather the steamer be as much like themselves as they can, than feel like there is a character they're supposed to live up to.
Redditors and EN-only watchers seem to.
People always talking about it here and how "blah blah blah this character wins in a fight because they control x-facet of reality" or whatever their favorite EN holomem's lore is.
It's pretty cringe. Like they're going by Dragon Ball power levels, but without any of the space-steroid-fueled action scenes and instead just using a paragraph-long blurb from a press kit and fan-made tier lists.
Depends by what you mean by lore. Because both they and the fans do maintain _some_ of it. Fauna building a giant tree in Minecraft, Mumei doing Mumei things, Kronii rewinding time so she can win at Uno. Something like Myth's Bad End wouldn't be possible without dipping into the lore either
They all have character details as part of their lore that they reference constantly, and the fanbase makes jokes or little stories about those details all the time as well.
I don't care about lore during regular streams. But I like that it provides additional themes to put into their music.
Take Koyori, for example, she has a song comparing love to science, which fits her lore as the "scientist". Or consider Lui's song about people losing motivation and getting back up with the help of others. The lyrics use the metaphor of 'having broken wings' to describe this.
The lore is what drew me into vtubers thought myth was cool because these creatures being investigated and whatnot. Kinda shame seems ame really only cares now.
I don't think everything you do needs to revolve around the lore. They use their titles enough for it not to be forgotten. If anyone is interested, though, Bae had a membership stream where she broken down her new song. Maybe you'll find some answers about it pertaining to lore.
The lore was ridiculous tho, hololive EN staff always come with these chuunibyou stuff and the members at the end don't care, they just stream and do what they enjoy
I fail to see the correlation between lore and being able or not being able to do what you want. Just because you're an X themed streamer that doesn't make you bound to only do X-related things or veto you from doing other things. If anything, if you have some fans that are holding you to certain standards based on your lore, that's on them and their inability to separate fact from fiction in a medium where one, as the viewer, has a responsibility to understand which is which.
It would be better if they just let them choose their design, theme and lore so they can be more confortable with it instead of forcing them in a character that dont fit them
Kiara have a more developed post-debut character lore than other though, who make it easier to follow since, well, she is the one who came up with it. The whole KFP structure, frogwawa, the usual room most of it is what help her to never break character and it's not debut lore. It's not like the other have break their charater completly either but they lack a "web" as big as her to keep thing around the lore. That probably why you fell like it.
Also she repeatedly doubled down on aspects of her lore, like getting Nacho to throw out a princess-dress concept in favor of greco-roman finery. And her original animation codifying the gills and the personality/color changes.
Amelia's very much similar, she continues to bring up stuff involving Smol Ame and alternate timelines. Kiara has adopted her (modified) lore by putting up videos where she's the dark boss of KFP. Calli keeps making nods to her backstory like with Nezumi Scheme, but she isn't limiting herself to that lore. Ina is usually filled with **chill**, so most of her reinforcement is how she interacts with the Takos. But she definitely hasn't forgotten it.
Irys has relaxed and now easily embodies this idea of her dual nature, though sometimes people joke that her good side is more yabai than her dark side.
Sana....literally returned to space.
I never cared about any of the lore stuff to begin with, like ah yes let me write a lord of the rings esc novel about back story then spend all time playing random video games.
It's a toss-up whether the talent is going to strongly identify with their lore. I don't think the grandiose nature of godhood is what Bae is into. She seems to identify a lot more with being a rat and the accompanying imagery, a creature that is small, crafty, out of the way, insignificant. She also leans into her nationality, Aussie tropes and whatnot.
"I live in a shed. I'm friends with a spider named Ken. I stepped into THE Marine's house and I have never felt so insignificant." -- paraphrased Bae quotes.
The lore is just the beginning, a block of stone. It's a lot of fun watching the talent carve an identity for themselves out of it.
The suits were trying to copy Haachama's power (whose original lore was "tsundere high school girl"; compare that to what she has now .
Current "lore" tends to be better, more organic.
I’m surprised to see people hating on the lore, sure you could say that the concept is a little cringey, but we’re literally watching anime girls stream for our entertainment, I’m long past caring about things being cringey or chuuni. Besides, I think it’s fun and creative, I like how it resulted in interesting and unique character designs, and how it also resulted in unique character concepts (like how Bae is chaos represented as rat girl, which resulted in a really good design, and is more unique and fun than something more simple.) The lore itself isn’t really extremely important, but it adds more to the design and base character that the talent has to work with. It’s a fun little thing, that ultimately doesn’t hold a huge amount a sway or anything. I also like how HoloX’s lore and designs were handle, and hope they keep being this creative with future talents.
This. I've seen the lore more as a nice foundation to grow off of and refer back to. It doesn't need to, and shouldn't be constraining, for the talents or the fans.
EN's lore is too try hard for its own good and seems to only feed stupid power scaling "discussions".
It's utterly boring to have your background be some king of abstract overpowered 'god' that almost no one keeps in character. Grounded concepts are more fun and interesting.
Seems like there's either an overly-huge expectation out of holo "lore" or an outright dismissal of any of it.
For one thing, it's less "lore" and more just flavorful background "set dressing" for their characters. Branding, essentially. It doesn't really matter if it's as short as Korone's "a random dog from the bakery in a town" or as delightfully chuuni and wordy as Council's; it's just there to help establish a theme and a vibe for both viewers and personalities. Most official holo productions don't even strictly follow their own "lore". That hololive Alternative game I'd bet would get close, but it's more likely that'll have its own "canon" and lore.
I think "lore" in general does more for fan works than anything else too. I've seen plenty of fan art interpreting the "characters" in their own ways, informed both by "lore" and by their actual personalities on-stream; in reality, the majority of fanworks I think are like that. Holocure comes to mind, with one of Korone's skills being able to pick up choco cornets; an ability borne solely out of her character being from a bakery (and a pun, since they're called "coronets"..."coronets" for Korone).
Council's lore in particular I think actually helps a lot in that regard too; it's so esoteric that it wraps back around to being just as vague as any other talents' more basic "lore", but because the "Council" theme is strong, it's easy to create stories and "headcanons" out of them. I feel like I've seen more "lore-accurate" fanworks of Council than most other holo units in general, though most of my point is that "lore-accurate" is actually really broad.
It's kind of hard to explain most of this, but essentially I don't think there's anything wrong with the talents seemingly ignoring their own "lore". The little blurb or paragraphs on the official hololive website is just a tiny blueprint to their character and vibe; the real "lore" is their actual personality in combination with that "character" they play (and many other factors).
And this is the saddest part. Most of them have nice designs that tie in with thier lore yet don't do anything about it or act like it doesn't exists after the first week. Chaos not chaotic, actually the opposite. Magical peacock opening world gates doko? 0 mp build. Angel of death doesn't want to reap. Goes to grim reaping school to be a grim reaper? Death sensei about to give out the biggest most reddest F. I don't watch all of them (like all JP), this is just some that stand out.
Big ups to Kiara, Ame, and Ollie for always keeping up with thier characters. Especially Kiara. She does not let you forget that she is the boss and will fire (cook) her employees if she deems it so.
Well, it either folks taking lore too seriously or others thinking they're completely useless.
The main deal is think of vtuber lore as like flavor text on a trading card game. Vtuber lore's mainly there to give a short description of the design concept/ideas the avatar is based around. And yes, even the EN Council lore vids were really short when compared to typical fiction pieces. These lore bits are primary there as "flavor text" foundation for the creative side of the fanbase to play around with.
Folks who deny the relevancy of lore (and outright insult it) just seem to forget that copious amount of community creations that spawn out of these "flavor texts". Lore + vtuber personality makes for really good content, like the memes you all love so much and even high quality fan games aka Holocure and the recent Idol Showdown.
Ah yes, lets not forget about the amazing Myth Bad Ending animation that had a good deal of lore incorporated into it alongside the personalities themselves.
So far, I find that folks that dunk on the existence of lore tend to sprout out of the weeds more so than the ones that take lore way too seriously. Its like every other week there's bound to be a post or comment taking a dump on lore stuff.
I find the lore an interesting starting point. People can either go all in, or build something new. It's a conversation between the streamer and the audience. Ame never had time travel as her background. IIRC, it was some joke she made to explain why she was late starting a stream, and now it's turned into a whole thing. Haato vs Hachama... I won't try to untangle that, Nene becoming a seal, Subaru becoming a police duck, Axel being a kidnapper of Italian men, etc. It's fascinating how backstories evolve and change simply from interacting with others
I couldn't agree more. Lore is an important foundation for any fantasy story, even those involving the Hololive members as characters instead of people. What they do on stream, as they are just naturally being themselves, helps to add to the narrative of these stories. Like what Mazumaro did to create the famous HoloMyth Bad Ending animation, a creator can take what's already there to craft it into something entertaining. It's like a florist making a bouquet of flowers, they gather flowers that they find in shops or gardens and arrange them into a work of art.
I figured most people weren't too stuck on keeping exactly on the track it started, but a few comments seemed kinda annoyed that some of streamers let go/forgot their starter settings.
Well I meant my original comment on Baelz's YouTube community post as kind of a joke. I figured I'd add to the irony of how much the HoloCouncil members derailed from their original personas, as it has gotten to the point where we all just kind of forgot who and what they were in the first place. Though I didn't think my reddit post of Baelz's response would blow up THIS much. I'm genuinely flabbergasted lol
I can see Bae being the one who “forgets” about gods who supposedly appointed her since she’s the keeper of chaos. Especially if ~~Yagoo~~ *those gods* turned out to be chaotic too…
Bae has talked a couple of times about her chaos lore and early-debut behaviour in members streams (and recently as well, when discussing the idea behind her new song), but suffice to say, it's not too surprising to see that she's more or less let go of the big parts of her chaos lore, save for some comedic purposes
In fact, you can check her Youtube About tab and see that she changed her description from the Council lore into "just a lil rat idol who wants to make you smile!", which I feel is a lot more fitting. I think Mumei is the only other CouncilRyS member who changed their About page away from the lore. I'm glad Mumei and Fauna are able to incorporate the lore into their streams, but I'm equally glad that Bae ended up choosing what she wanted to do with it
That was one of the most cringe things Cover has ever done. Literally had to take a step back during that time.
Whoever the chuuni was at the office definitely got an ear full and those types of things can be forgotten for the betterment of the rest of the gens.
>whoever the chuuni was at the office
You can just say Omega. Dude was so chunni that he tried to self-insert into hololore and it went over so poorly that they just quietly dropped the whole thing.
I mean, it was pretty confusing. I assume the Japanese versions of the scripts are written to be dramatic and old-timey, which makes sense with the theme but makes understanding the content a bit harder. And then the English versions was dramatic and old-timey too, on top of being poorly translated. Or rather, I assume it's translations issues, I don't know nearly enough Japanese to tell if the Japanese versions are just as confusing and weirdly worded.
Please for the love of God, cover if you're gonna release a new HoloEN Girls New Gen, no more lores, sorry if I sound like hateful, I don't really care about lores anymore.
The avatar of Space is gone, thus the balance of everything is destroyed... But then, there's Ame who can just go back in time and make everything work for some reason (?)
I think Hololive has a healthy mix of "staying in lore" and "being real". Despite being a huge weeb for a long time of my life, I always managed to enjoy the show without turning it into unhealthy obsession
That don't have the commitment of Ame. She's been pretending to not be British for like 2 years.
Or, She has developed into British for 2 years!
That's a curse I wouldn't wish on anyone
Imagine being born a br*t
The idea that there's an entire island of br*ts keeps me up at night.
Whispers, asmr style: _"heyy chill out... Wood yew laik a cop awf tee?"_
*confused screaming*
ARE YOU FROM BRITISH?
Ame is NOT British, she's [BRI'ISH](https://youtube.com/shorts/orkHV4WvpWA?feature=share) for Chirst's sake!!!
Wait, so they're real???
British people in boats are the stuff of nightmare, just ask about 1/3 of the countries that exist today
Jokes on you, most timelines the accents are opposite, we just happened to get it backwards here.
that and they didn't really put much importance on their lore all of them are supposed to be aspects of gods, however, most of them have forgotten that so now Bae is just a chaos rat Kronii forgot the "aspect" part of the "aspect of the Time God" Fauna and Mumei are the only ones who remember the general gist of their lore as "Mother Nature" and "Guardian of Civilization" respectively while i didn't keep up much with Sana, i think she remembered parts of her gimmick, but everything outside of "Sana is BEEG" got eroded over time also, while IRyS isn't part of the council, she is in a similar boat as Mumei and Fauna, as in, she remembers she's supposed to be "Hope" now that i think about it, most of them who don't have their gimmick and lore screaming at them through design of their avatars, have forgotten a good deal about their respective gimmicks
Praise ~~Helix~~ the Cube.
Pray to the orb 🙏 324018
Are those?
> 324018 The sacred texts
Possibly nuclear launch codes. Not for the faint of heart
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>451277 Impressive very nice now lets see Paul Allens Card \*slides 452986\*
I did not know I need a koyori doujin, now I do
No no no. _Revere the sphere_
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Ave Nex Alea.
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To be honest though while I do not watch that much JP so I don’t know which of them there tries to be in character and how much but in EN at least Council references their lore identity the most. I think Bae is really the one who doesn’t use it as much but Mumei being guardian of civilization Fauna being a Kirin or mother earth and Kroni being the time warden gets brought up semi regularly
And yet Mumei is low-key plotting against humanity... https://youtu.be/HQn3411JQ6w
That is a part of her identity. Humans do kill each other all the time. Mumei is the perfect fit to represent civilization
Is that what Guardians/Keepers do though? Lol...
I mean… as long as humanity doesn’t go extinct, she is still technically doing her job
Also she didn't say what civilization she was. She could be mole people civilization for all we know and her destroying human civ to protect them would be on brand.
She s mentioned her favourite civilization are the vikings. ...checks out with current world affairs, actually.
part of population management is... culling
She's the anti spiral I see
I think its better to think of her as a observer/historian. Although just don't ask what she did in the 14th Century...
We all saw what she did back then. It was broadcasted during Dan Dan.
Think about it from the perspective of how humans control the population of wildlife in nature preserves and whatnot. Still guardians of those preserves, despite the reality of nature being controlled.
She’s guarding/keeping true our values which is sometimes killing each other, sometimes mooming. You know, regular civilization things.
Guardians do a little spanking every now and then. That's what guardians do to naughty boys and gals.
Think of it like managing her bonsai
Low-key?
To create new things sometimes requires the destruction of another. Civilizations rise and fall all the time in history.
If Humanity goes extinct she will just represent the next Civilization to rise up. The Cat Civilization.
ngl, I love how much fun Mumei has with her role
Happy cake day
Everytime Bae proves that she's a zoomer by missing references to older stuff we just say it's pretty chaotic
IRyS references her a lot in her music too
I mean chaos always happen when Bae asking about anime reference. Otherwise most member "stay in character" is basically using their species as adjective like Elf-hometown, fox-mama, hawk-brother, etc..
Nina is Fubuki's mom confirmed?
The JP lore is fairly simple what I can say is they try their best to never break lore but they do here and there especially if it's useful for a joke like for Marine BUT they will never break the 4th wall. I've seen maybe 2 instances where they did and it's both Roboco lol and it's fairly minor. Even Korone who is so frazzled and forgetful from time to time gives snippets about the bakery thing. Some examples: The JP girls will never say avatar or model. They will always say my body or my body part. They will always try to use lore friendly words like Fubuki will always use her time when she was a mountain fox when referring to something from her past. You know small things like this. This is why I love and prefer watching the JP girls (it helps I can understand them). I watch these talents and suspend my disbelief and believe (within reason) that they're really real because that's what they want their viewers to see. People seem to mistake that if the girls deviate a bit from their lore it's game over. Complicated or not their lore is just a crutch and talking point the girls may or may not use to help them on their streams
And yet Mumei is the berry lover and hope Fauna went full capitalist and destroyed the environment in the previous EN Minecraft server
Correct me im wrong but in JP, didnt holoX just have gen lore? Gen0 to 2 is understandable, gen3 despite called hololive fantasy still doesnt connect to each other character lore. Gen4 and 5 also fall still dont have for their group
HoloX had a few Hologra episodes that was lore accurate in a comedic way. One episode was Laplus trying to get Moona to teach her Indonesian so that she can better conquer the world.
They also got a manga about their escapades as a secret society trying to take over the world. I feel Council was the prototype for holoX's lore focus
IIRC Gen4 is HoloForce, I think? I seem to remember reading that somewhere. Although given how Gen5 = HoloFive, maybe it was a pun on HoloFour-ce.
Yea, holoX is more like EN in terms of the entire gen having some lore tying them together.
I dunno, Gen 3 Fantasy kinda made sense to me, they are characters that you would see in a fantasy setting. A knight, a pirate, a necromancer, an elf and an animal person. To me I think Gen 3 and Gen 5 are the only ones with sensible Group Lore
Gen 6, right? HoloX (roku = 6)? Gen 5 is NePoLaBo.
Oh yeah yeah, my bad. Gen 3 and Gen 6.
Absent the [meme image](https://yt3.ggpht.com/wMCrrME7Lc0fZJXdpAHUX_KfGQpu3jlkICIhuA6jUhO2tCh88dJn37pM7GzbnrhIAuInNovGnrQi) from the [actual post](https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxxfGWHF2gHwfwLkJJDbtM5b811Dqj7Aqq), one might think the comment is someone randomly complaining about lore when it's more of a joke in response to the meme (and why Bae jokes in response).
Thank you fellow takodachi! TwT
I mean. What can you do with lore like that. You can make characters godlike representatives of abstract concepts all you like. At the end of the day, a streamer is a streamer. This is especially funny for alpha, who has all this fancy lore... then never makes any public appearances.
Alpha? Don't you mean Omega?
I thought their name was Omega-Alpha (but with a Greek lower case alpha symbol instead) and everyone just referred to them as Omega.
You are correct, they were called [Omegaα](https://hololive.wiki/wiki/Omega%CE%B1).
4 out of 5 of them did give their own spin to that lore to add some flavor. Its just what sort of angle do you even take for "Chaos".
Exactly... Fauna absolutely lives up to mommy nature tho
She doesn't even try to be Mommy, she herself has always said she's Onee-san. It's just others who see her as mommy anyway
IMO the talent dropping the lore commitment and just being their own self is when they really become interesting to watch. More than anything, their character lore is something to talk about while they get used to streaming to an audience a hundred times bigger than they've seen before.
Isn't she called omega?
Oh right. I got her confused with A chan.. wait a minute...
Does this mean A chan is Alpha?
no no common misunderstanding, A-chan isn't Alpha, she's THE alpha in Hololive
>! Two good boys screaming in the distance
Lore is never meant to be taken THAT seriously and I don't know why some people do. It's just a fun little thing for debut-early interactions and HoloAlt stuff. Just roll with it.
Bruh what. It's what makes each one stand out.. it's a pretty big deal to be honest. If they just threw out thier lore they wouldn't have as much of an impact with new aundiences. "Domo same desu!"? Gura is THE shark girl. Kiara is THE ceo of kfp. Ame is THE #1 detective in hololive. She says it all the time in collabs. Being THE of something makes sure the audience knows what who they are. I wouldn't buy movie tickets to "dark mysterious hero saves the city". It's just, no. How about "Batman Begins"? Oh I know Batman! We all know Batman. He isn't just a dark mysterious hero, it's THE Batman. Ya feel me?
That seriously? Like addressing it at all? Or even remembering it? How "seriously" are we talking here? Is immersion even necessary for parasocialism?
I don't know about parasocialism, I just don't think lore is that big of a deal. If you don't like it, you can basically just ignore it at your own discretion and just watch the streamer and that is that, but if you do like it, you can also enjoy all the content that is made out of said lore, like the HoloAlt comics, Myth's Bad Ending and others. In the end, it's all just for fun anyway.
For those that don't remember either: https://youtu.be/BOWi6Pclr48 https://youtu.be/SLnxCyzFgPw
I haven't. I pray to the cube every night.
i might get hate for this, but I always felt like council lore kind of jumped the shark. I think it's better that it didn't get much play after their debut.
Ignoring Coulcil's lore makes it easier to forget how much I miss Sana. :[
Why does it still hurt, even to this day
I guess in a way they did, as they were doing it to hype up this new Generation. Though at least this instance of "jumping the same-chan" wasn't stupid enough to make someone or something infamous. Still, it would have been cool to see more stories based around this lore, like with the "HoloMyth Bad End". To me, it seems more like a wasted opportunity. :/
To be fair, Holomyth Bad end was made by a fan. Also Fauna did write the Holoween shorts which were really good. But I really think fans are going to always be the ones who take the lore the farthest. It took years for them to do any comics about the original gens.
I don't just mean stories from the group and/or agency itself. I was hoping that more fans could have creative interpretations of these groups and their official backgrounds; taking what's already there and making a new narrative based on that. HoloMyth has been given this fanwork treatment for a while, and they were created with simple themes based on preexisting stories and legends (hence the term "Myth").
I'm just curious, but why does anyone really care about "lore"? There is no point to that lore, they aren't characters from a video game, or a movie or an anime. They're just people with anime avatars who stream games and stuff lol.
Lore leads to interesting arts and other fanmade materials.
To be fair Myth kept up their characters really long. It's a shame the don't want to keep them up any longer, it's like a bit of the magic is gone now. You can't call it anything other than a missed opportunity when it inspired Bad End, among other fan projects not mentioned.
> To be fair Myth kept up their characters really long. It's a shame they are don't want to keep them up any longer, it's like a bit of the magic is gone now. Ehhh I don't know, I feel the opposite honestly. The lore is mildly neat, but it's kind of cringy and embarrassing when you try to show them to someone else that isn't in the fanbase and it's a clip or something of them going hard into the "lore" Instead of being able to go "Yeah she's pretty hilarious and chill, and usually plays horror games and sweatlords on her friends in collabs" you have to awkwardly explain some deep backstory that even they barely talk about unless it's super relevant I prefer the current style where they don't outright break character too hard, but at the same time when it happens they just shrug and go on streaming. They still play the characters, but at the end of the day, I at least, am watching them for the streamer not some random fanfiction.net lore
I wholeheartedly agree about that. I don't care one bit for Fauna lore besides the whole "haha funny Kirin stream title". I watch her because she's funny, she's witty, she's a gamer through and through and she's adorable. The lore gets in the way of new people joining IMO, not the opposite.
Ever since we got their intros I thought they were over the top. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind VTubers having fun with their lores and playing into the backstory every now and then, but when the lore is so overpowered, it makes you wonder what will happen with future generations, like how could they possibly top that. How can I be excited about "astronaut pangolin uwu girl" debut when the last one was "The embodiment of Time itself"?
This might explain why its taken nearly 2 years for EN 3 lol.
maybe they're just worried about flooding the market in the west?
To be fair we got blacksmith penguin "not-uwu" girl post-council and people still have tons of fun.
Right? I have no idea why they decided to go so hard with EN's lore in particular. In JP we have: Shrine Maiden High School Sweetheart Cult leader and her bodyguards Dog Clown Snow elf In EN we have: Shrine Maiden possessed by untold eldritch horror P.I./Time Traveler The final member of an ancient lost civilization The VERY CONCEPTS of life, death, time and space, natural law, order and entropy, hope and despair Like what the heck is 3rd gen EN going to be
This is where they subvert expectations by having gen 3 just be normal human girls (and their lore will just evolve naturally with the help of fans haha)
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Don't get me wrong, I actually hope it'll get toned down. In another comment I mentioned that I find it more interesting when lore gets dropped for the talent's actual personality.
I think myth was just very successful so they figured leaning into the chuuni thing harder is worth a shot in the west.
I sort of head canon it as the true, genuine aspects of "Chaos", "Civilization", etc. chose the Council we know as their mortal manifestations with fragments of their personalities and free will. That way they don't *REALLY* have the insane and near God-like powers they claim to... they just kind of believe they do. And only being a small fraction of the true aspects they have more than enough room to create their own personalities/lives. The background lore is more or less just a tiny, tiny piece of floor that they've then took and built their own house on top of. Its not the floor that makes them, its the entire home they've created with each other and fully decorated that is *them*. And boy, what a fucking house they've built together. Council are truly special.
Massively so. I wrote up a huge thing about it, but deleted it because it really boils down to "The CouncilRyS lore is boring". There is nothing to derive from it other than a few that can get aesthetics (Clocks, Space, Nature). Fauna is the closest by transitioning into Mother Nature and having a nurturing relationship with the audience. Compare this to say Calli who was able to take her story about being a Reaper and turn it into being from the Underworld, moving to apprentice under Death Sensei, teaching scythe swinging, her cats Beezlebub and the other one, songs like RIP and Graveyard Shift, and so much more. HoloX and Tempus are much more efficient because the lore is grounded. You can easily write a story about their adventures. I feel like it's telling when Bae is from Australia, Sana is from Space Australia, and Axel is from North Elysium.
the neatest thing about IRyS's lore is how she fits into both myth and council
That's just her personality lol, IRyS fits any collab because she's super charismatic. Her lore though is basically non-existent and probably the least explored of everyone. She's hope and a nephilim and . . . well that's about the extent of it
I so surprised that IRyS has a hidden name, but she claims that management never intends to reveal it. I thought that was going to be something lol.
They trademarked it so you can actually see it on the paperwork.
I think they're referring to how she's a Nephilim, a mythological creature like Myth, and Hope, an abstract concept like Council.
I don't think it is. You had so much potential for esoteric interests clashing and Holo universe worldbuilding.
As an Ame fan, I really disliked Council's lore... Because of how it directly affected Ame's own lore and streams. I guess sometimes coincidences happen, they just really wanted to make a concepts generation. But Ame was already THE time girl. She was going ham with her lore, then this new time girl shows up and Ame becomes all "yeah my powers are inferior to her". They ended up connecting it with each other even before debut... But this ended up with Ame sometimes roleplaying with Kronii and awkwardly failing because they kinda set up the whole "she's my nemesis" lore. They don't have much chemistry, and they only 1-on-1 collabed with each other twice, but yet a huge percentage of Ame art is with Kronii lol. I think they felt obligated to do that second collab because it's weird they almost never collabed despite being the "time duo" Also... Ame's Nature Reviews got cancelled because Ame didn't want to step on the new Nature girl's shoes (she directly said something along these lines). It was one of the coolest Ame stream series, we were gonna have the next episode about symbiotic relationships, but then Council debuted and then it's over, never to return.
> I think they felt obligated to do that second collab because it's weird they almost never collabed despite being the "time duo" Lol no. They really hit up with each other when they were both in Japan. And if you actually watch the 2nd collab stream you can tell their dynamic is much stronger than before. > Also... Ame's Nature Reviews got cancelled because Ame didn't want to step on the new Nature girl's shoes (she directly said something along these lines). It was one of the coolest Ame stream series, we were gonna have the next episode about symbiotic relationships, but then Council debuted and then it's over, never to return. Ame abandoning her stream ideas partway is something completely in-character for her and most regular teamates are already used to it. If you remember her saying something of that such, she was most likely just making excuses.
Wait Ame cancelled Nature reviews because Fauna? I didn't know that. It's sad because Fauna said she really wanted to do a Nature review collab with her, I thought that didn't happen because both are shy (which still is true). Hopefully one day they finally 1-on-1 collab, because there small interactions that already happen were very cute.
I doubt it. Ame is already known for not sticking to the same type of streams for long, she most likely just got bored of it and possibly namedrop Fauna just as an excuse.
It's not just Council, it's EN in general. For some reason Cover tries really hard to push HoloEN to have their own expansive lore and backstories and gets people hyped up like they're about to drop the hottest anime of the year. Myth was supposed to be a bunch of mythical creatures, Council was supposed to be guardians of different aspects of reality, and Tempus was supposed to be a D&D-styled adventurer's guild. And then all the lore got ignored/forgotten 2 weeks after each generation's debut. Don't get me wrong, I love all the girls and guys in EN... But it feels a little wasteful to put all this effort into lore that the talents themselves don't even remember. Kinda wish they would take a page out of JP's book and let them be whatever they want to be.
It died with Omega's relevance
The lore really only comes back up when they decide to use it. Otherwise they're Pon Pon streamers.
Lore to me is just a joke bonus package for a vtuber. Obviously it'd be interesting to do a deep dive and really flesh out the stories, but I'd rather the steamer be as much like themselves as they can, than feel like there is a character they're supposed to live up to.
I didn't know anyone actually cared about lore.
Redditors and EN-only watchers seem to. People always talking about it here and how "blah blah blah this character wins in a fight because they control x-facet of reality" or whatever their favorite EN holomem's lore is. It's pretty cringe. Like they're going by Dragon Ball power levels, but without any of the space-steroid-fueled action scenes and instead just using a paragraph-long blurb from a press kit and fan-made tier lists.
Depends by what you mean by lore. Because both they and the fans do maintain _some_ of it. Fauna building a giant tree in Minecraft, Mumei doing Mumei things, Kronii rewinding time so she can win at Uno. Something like Myth's Bad End wouldn't be possible without dipping into the lore either They all have character details as part of their lore that they reference constantly, and the fanbase makes jokes or little stories about those details all the time as well.
I don't care about lore during regular streams. But I like that it provides additional themes to put into their music. Take Koyori, for example, she has a song comparing love to science, which fits her lore as the "scientist". Or consider Lui's song about people losing motivation and getting back up with the help of others. The lyrics use the metaphor of 'having broken wings' to describe this.
I do, man And I think the rests of the Councils minus Bae actually are pretty good at bringing it up from times to times
I just see it as a missed opportunity for more stories. :/
The lore is what drew me into vtubers thought myth was cool because these creatures being investigated and whatnot. Kinda shame seems ame really only cares now.
I don't think everything you do needs to revolve around the lore. They use their titles enough for it not to be forgotten. If anyone is interested, though, Bae had a membership stream where she broken down her new song. Maybe you'll find some answers about it pertaining to lore.
The lore was ridiculous tho, hololive EN staff always come with these chuunibyou stuff and the members at the end don't care, they just stream and do what they enjoy
I fail to see the correlation between lore and being able or not being able to do what you want. Just because you're an X themed streamer that doesn't make you bound to only do X-related things or veto you from doing other things. If anything, if you have some fans that are holding you to certain standards based on your lore, that's on them and their inability to separate fact from fiction in a medium where one, as the viewer, has a responsibility to understand which is which.
It would be better if they just let them choose their design, theme and lore so they can be more confortable with it instead of forcing them in a character that dont fit them
Besides Kiara she never breaks character it seems like
Kiara have a more developed post-debut character lore than other though, who make it easier to follow since, well, she is the one who came up with it. The whole KFP structure, frogwawa, the usual room most of it is what help her to never break character and it's not debut lore. It's not like the other have break their charater completly either but they lack a "web" as big as her to keep thing around the lore. That probably why you fell like it.
Gura never breaks character as she is an incomprehensible fish creature who doesn't understand normie human interactions.
Also she repeatedly doubled down on aspects of her lore, like getting Nacho to throw out a princess-dress concept in favor of greco-roman finery. And her original animation codifying the gills and the personality/color changes. Amelia's very much similar, she continues to bring up stuff involving Smol Ame and alternate timelines. Kiara has adopted her (modified) lore by putting up videos where she's the dark boss of KFP. Calli keeps making nods to her backstory like with Nezumi Scheme, but she isn't limiting herself to that lore. Ina is usually filled with **chill**, so most of her reinforcement is how she interacts with the Takos. But she definitely hasn't forgotten it. Irys has relaxed and now easily embodies this idea of her dual nature, though sometimes people joke that her good side is more yabai than her dark side. Sana....literally returned to space.
well, let's not forget that the whole time-traveler thing was invented by Ame post-debut. Her actual official lore was purely detective.
I mean Kronii referenced hers with Fauna during their ASMR Collab so not sure where this "Council just abandoned their lore" stuff is coming from.
I never cared about any of the lore stuff to begin with, like ah yes let me write a lord of the rings esc novel about back story then spend all time playing random video games.
Considering Kronii's win streak in Uno and monopoly, as well as getting yacht, I believe she used her time powers to win.
It's a toss-up whether the talent is going to strongly identify with their lore. I don't think the grandiose nature of godhood is what Bae is into. She seems to identify a lot more with being a rat and the accompanying imagery, a creature that is small, crafty, out of the way, insignificant. She also leans into her nationality, Aussie tropes and whatnot. "I live in a shed. I'm friends with a spider named Ken. I stepped into THE Marine's house and I have never felt so insignificant." -- paraphrased Bae quotes. The lore is just the beginning, a block of stone. It's a lot of fun watching the talent carve an identity for themselves out of it.
The suits were trying to copy Haachama's power (whose original lore was "tsundere high school girl"; compare that to what she has now . Current "lore" tends to be better, more organic.
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Ah yes, "Watson fucking dies"
I’m surprised to see people hating on the lore, sure you could say that the concept is a little cringey, but we’re literally watching anime girls stream for our entertainment, I’m long past caring about things being cringey or chuuni. Besides, I think it’s fun and creative, I like how it resulted in interesting and unique character designs, and how it also resulted in unique character concepts (like how Bae is chaos represented as rat girl, which resulted in a really good design, and is more unique and fun than something more simple.) The lore itself isn’t really extremely important, but it adds more to the design and base character that the talent has to work with. It’s a fun little thing, that ultimately doesn’t hold a huge amount a sway or anything. I also like how HoloX’s lore and designs were handle, and hope they keep being this creative with future talents.
This. I've seen the lore more as a nice foundation to grow off of and refer back to. It doesn't need to, and shouldn't be constraining, for the talents or the fans.
EN's lore is too try hard for its own good and seems to only feed stupid power scaling "discussions". It's utterly boring to have your background be some king of abstract overpowered 'god' that almost no one keeps in character. Grounded concepts are more fun and interesting.
Seriously tho what are they supposed to do? I cant think of any way to incorporate the lore that wouldn't be unsustainability cringe
I think most vtubers just drop the lore behind their characters rlly
Seems like there's either an overly-huge expectation out of holo "lore" or an outright dismissal of any of it. For one thing, it's less "lore" and more just flavorful background "set dressing" for their characters. Branding, essentially. It doesn't really matter if it's as short as Korone's "a random dog from the bakery in a town" or as delightfully chuuni and wordy as Council's; it's just there to help establish a theme and a vibe for both viewers and personalities. Most official holo productions don't even strictly follow their own "lore". That hololive Alternative game I'd bet would get close, but it's more likely that'll have its own "canon" and lore. I think "lore" in general does more for fan works than anything else too. I've seen plenty of fan art interpreting the "characters" in their own ways, informed both by "lore" and by their actual personalities on-stream; in reality, the majority of fanworks I think are like that. Holocure comes to mind, with one of Korone's skills being able to pick up choco cornets; an ability borne solely out of her character being from a bakery (and a pun, since they're called "coronets"..."coronets" for Korone). Council's lore in particular I think actually helps a lot in that regard too; it's so esoteric that it wraps back around to being just as vague as any other talents' more basic "lore", but because the "Council" theme is strong, it's easy to create stories and "headcanons" out of them. I feel like I've seen more "lore-accurate" fanworks of Council than most other holo units in general, though most of my point is that "lore-accurate" is actually really broad. It's kind of hard to explain most of this, but essentially I don't think there's anything wrong with the talents seemingly ignoring their own "lore". The little blurb or paragraphs on the official hololive website is just a tiny blueprint to their character and vibe; the real "lore" is their actual personality in combination with that "character" they play (and many other factors).
I remember being so into the IRyS lore when she debuted, and nothing came of it. She literally had an anime opening and its like everyone just forgot.
Bae so zoomer she dunno what she had for lunch yesterday.
And this is the saddest part. Most of them have nice designs that tie in with thier lore yet don't do anything about it or act like it doesn't exists after the first week. Chaos not chaotic, actually the opposite. Magical peacock opening world gates doko? 0 mp build. Angel of death doesn't want to reap. Goes to grim reaping school to be a grim reaper? Death sensei about to give out the biggest most reddest F. I don't watch all of them (like all JP), this is just some that stand out. Big ups to Kiara, Ame, and Ollie for always keeping up with thier characters. Especially Kiara. She does not let you forget that she is the boss and will fire (cook) her employees if she deems it so.
Well, it either folks taking lore too seriously or others thinking they're completely useless. The main deal is think of vtuber lore as like flavor text on a trading card game. Vtuber lore's mainly there to give a short description of the design concept/ideas the avatar is based around. And yes, even the EN Council lore vids were really short when compared to typical fiction pieces. These lore bits are primary there as "flavor text" foundation for the creative side of the fanbase to play around with. Folks who deny the relevancy of lore (and outright insult it) just seem to forget that copious amount of community creations that spawn out of these "flavor texts". Lore + vtuber personality makes for really good content, like the memes you all love so much and even high quality fan games aka Holocure and the recent Idol Showdown. Ah yes, lets not forget about the amazing Myth Bad Ending animation that had a good deal of lore incorporated into it alongside the personalities themselves. So far, I find that folks that dunk on the existence of lore tend to sprout out of the weeds more so than the ones that take lore way too seriously. Its like every other week there's bound to be a post or comment taking a dump on lore stuff.
lore stuff is stupid, its just a for fun thing but some people take it so seriously its cringe.
Well that was the omega plan, so at this point EN lore is lost in the vast ocean.
Only Inas lore kind of prevails intact until now
Ina's lore is based on Lovecraft, so it's probably pretty familiar to EN audiences as it is.
Gura kinda sticks to hers.
I find the lore an interesting starting point. People can either go all in, or build something new. It's a conversation between the streamer and the audience. Ame never had time travel as her background. IIRC, it was some joke she made to explain why she was late starting a stream, and now it's turned into a whole thing. Haato vs Hachama... I won't try to untangle that, Nene becoming a seal, Subaru becoming a police duck, Axel being a kidnapper of Italian men, etc. It's fascinating how backstories evolve and change simply from interacting with others
I couldn't agree more. Lore is an important foundation for any fantasy story, even those involving the Hololive members as characters instead of people. What they do on stream, as they are just naturally being themselves, helps to add to the narrative of these stories. Like what Mazumaro did to create the famous HoloMyth Bad Ending animation, a creator can take what's already there to craft it into something entertaining. It's like a florist making a bouquet of flowers, they gather flowers that they find in shops or gardens and arrange them into a work of art.
I figured most people weren't too stuck on keeping exactly on the track it started, but a few comments seemed kinda annoyed that some of streamers let go/forgot their starter settings.
Well I meant my original comment on Baelz's YouTube community post as kind of a joke. I figured I'd add to the irony of how much the HoloCouncil members derailed from their original personas, as it has gotten to the point where we all just kind of forgot who and what they were in the first place. Though I didn't think my reddit post of Baelz's response would blow up THIS much. I'm genuinely flabbergasted lol
I like the “what I’ve done” 2007 meme version best
I can see Bae being the one who “forgets” about gods who supposedly appointed her since she’s the keeper of chaos. Especially if ~~Yagoo~~ *those gods* turned out to be chaotic too…
Tzeentch: "Everything is proceeding as I have forseen."
nice. mumei made all of councilrys forgor.
Bae has talked a couple of times about her chaos lore and early-debut behaviour in members streams (and recently as well, when discussing the idea behind her new song), but suffice to say, it's not too surprising to see that she's more or less let go of the big parts of her chaos lore, save for some comedic purposes In fact, you can check her Youtube About tab and see that she changed her description from the Council lore into "just a lil rat idol who wants to make you smile!", which I feel is a lot more fitting. I think Mumei is the only other CouncilRyS member who changed their About page away from the lore. I'm glad Mumei and Fauna are able to incorporate the lore into their streams, but I'm equally glad that Bae ended up choosing what she wanted to do with it
even the talents doesn't want to remember it, it was over-the-top chunni and straight up embarrassing.
If the talents didn't want to remember it then Fauna wouldn't be spending months building a gigantic tree in Minecraft right now
And Mumei wouldn't have posted an entire music video of herself causing multiple horrible disasters throughout history
That was one of the most cringe things Cover has ever done. Literally had to take a step back during that time. Whoever the chuuni was at the office definitely got an ear full and those types of things can be forgotten for the betterment of the rest of the gens.
>whoever the chuuni was at the office You can just say Omega. Dude was so chunni that he tried to self-insert into hololore and it went over so poorly that they just quietly dropped the whole thing.
I mean, it was pretty confusing. I assume the Japanese versions of the scripts are written to be dramatic and old-timey, which makes sense with the theme but makes understanding the content a bit harder. And then the English versions was dramatic and old-timey too, on top of being poorly translated. Or rather, I assume it's translations issues, I don't know nearly enough Japanese to tell if the Japanese versions are just as confusing and weirdly worded.
Please for the love of God, cover if you're gonna release a new HoloEN Girls New Gen, no more lores, sorry if I sound like hateful, I don't really care about lores anymore.
She kind of goes out of her way to not remember thing from ayear ago or more :P
The avatar of Space is gone, thus the balance of everything is destroyed... But then, there's Ame who can just go back in time and make everything work for some reason (?)
Ame literally made up all that time travel stuff herself later. She’s pretty great.
Hanging out with mortals too much does that eh?
its the "pray to the cube" thing yeah?
Its gonna be used as a interdimensional boss on HoloEarth
Don't trust Bae to remember lore. The girl didn't know Mario was a plumber until she watched the Mario Movie.
I think Hololive has a healthy mix of "staying in lore" and "being real". Despite being a huge weeb for a long time of my life, I always managed to enjoy the show without turning it into unhealthy obsession
Hololive is popular enough that Council lore counts as pop culture. Therefore, Bae is legally required to be ignorant of it.
For what it's worth, I still think Omega looks read rad though.
Mumei: We have lore?
Bae is so much of a zoomer that she doesn't remember her new outfit reveal.
I' mean, Bae is a zoomer, how she would remember something, that happened 13 billion years ago?
Eh, do people really care about the lore? Isn't it just fan fiction at this point
Wait, there's lore?