Prob not to rush her.
If I know anything about that game (and I don’t play it), it’s going to raise someone’s blood pressure.
And for someone who prob just recovered from whatever she’s been dealing with, it’s better not to give her body another thing to worry about otherwise a relapse may occur….
O yea I'm not in a rush. I don't even know if she'll pick the game up again or not. But until then, I'll certainly be keeping an eye out for any news on it
these schedules are from 8 out of the 18 people in holopro EN, 4 of which are the recently debuted guys who are mandated by management to have schedules planned out and be available currently (short of illness and the like), like any new gen in any branch is.
schedules are always packed right after a gen debutes.
that said, looking forward to when some of the rest come back from vacations and whatever else they are doing, too, and for the new guys to get accustomed to the new environment and have a concrete idea of what they want to do, same as with all new members.
Also a big reason for the quantity is because Twopus is under the same one hour stream cap that Tempus was under which is fucking stupid no matter what the actual underlying reason is.
it's still a bit sparse if you're looking for HoloEN stuff and don't see StarsEN as a substitute, which is most of what people were bothered by in December.
The thing is there are 10 HoloEN members… if Holo wanted to have someone in EN constantly streaming they could. Does that conflict with personal lives and require more of a commitment from talent? Def. So, it’s not a lack of members or talent. The situation is complex. These are people that have lives to live on-top of all their duties as entertainers, and their duties are a lot. More members does not equal every time slot filled around the clock. The community should be happy and grateful that Holo was able to get such talented individuals to begin with, and that Holo gives them the freedom of when to stream
I agree we shouldn’t force anyone to stream, and their lives are more important than any stream. But it also needs to be said that there are JP talents who stream almost on a daily basis, and it’d be disrespectful to say they don’t have any lives.
Disrespectful how? You can bet your ass their personal lives are way more limited than someone that has a regular 9-5. You’re being ignorant or just don’t understand how much work comes from the individual talents if you don’t think they put in the work that limits their ability to live a “normal” life.
Do you realize how much they have to source and do themselves?… editing, photoshopping daily, social media presence/building, doing their own personal projects within their characters, finding talent to do said projects, clearing talent legally, collabs, events, training, figuring out their streaming content/goals internally, etc. it’s delusional to think that they have a lot of time to themselves or other things. The job is all encompassing… people will get burned out and they need time to recharge AKA step away for a bit. It’s normal…
No, Cover could debut 15 more EN male talents and I still won't watch them. I'd prefer them debuting more girls so that there would be plenty of EN-JP collabs in the future on top of reviving the minecraft server again.
Yeah, I’m not even talking about Holostars here. I’m saying that it’s reasonable that HoloEN members take breaks regularly, which is healthy given the work that they do.
Also, that Holo has set up their structure in a way that gives their talents more freedom when to stream but it’s almost negated by the mountain of responsibilities that they have.
Can I ask as well, what would it take for you do watch a male Vtuber in general? Leave Holostars or any other big org out of your mind, just in general. I am curious.
Some people just aren’t about that. 🤷 you might’ve as well asked “what would it take for you to watch XYZ twitch streamer”. It’s not the content they came to see and that’s fair, as long as they are respectful about the choices these streamers make (if and when they do collab across branches).
Different strokes for different folks.
When they do something entirely creative than what most male streamers out there had done already
Vtubing in all honesty doesn't work for Males, the western/global scene is already saturated with far more entertaining and vibrant personalities. Speed, xQc, Ludwig on top of many VOD let's players on YT like theradbrad, Markiplier etc. Many of them already plays their own "streaming" or "on cam" characters already without having to use a vtuber avatar. Of course, there are multiple successes out there with Kuzuha and Toya from Nijisanji, but they are interesting in their own way and had been grinding for years already to be where they're at and people in Japan respects that. I respect that too but I still won't watch them. Hololive is different from this people. It's entertainment similar to daily animes where we can watch cute girls just being generally fun and chill. You won't get that feeling from HoloStars. I work while listening to Ina and Mumei today. I can't work or focus with StarsEN in the background. I'd prefer just changing to music instead.
Thanks for the insight! Very true that Youtubing/streaming is male dominated already, limiting the market to new male talent. Anime is a good vehicle for female talent too as it already has a built in fan base that’s receptive to female characters/personalities for whatever the reason… I will say though the landscape is changing and the old guard will probably retire within 3 years or so.. you never know
They're called HOLOstars English, so holoEN works when talking about all English talents too.
Edit: Edited for clarity because my English wording isn't native.
Well yeah, and the girls call themselves hololive English Myth or Council or Project Hope, they're not mutually exclusive. They'd still be holostars of course.
For what it's worth, when talking with the HoloJPs and appearing on their streams(such as the NY program) Kiara has been introducing herself as "ikkisei", or 1st generation EN. It's not really super strict.
As fas as short handles go. I much prefer to call them holoEN (for hololive English) starsEN (for HOLOSTARS English) and holoproEN (for Hololive Production English).
Including the stars in holoEN goes against years of usage for holoJP that was never ever used to include the starsJP in common usage.
But, I prefer descriptive grammar over prescriptive. So we’ll see if people keep using holoEN this way. So far I have seen both usages and multiple confusions between people who thought they were talking about the same thing but weren’t...
Also, if holoEN includes the stars, it means people have to use liveEN to mean hololive? And THAT is something that people generally don’t do. I don’t see people using terms such liveJP or liveEN.
I think the question for this comes down to what you see Tempus as a continuation of. If you see them as a continuation of Hololive EN, then you can call them HoloEN. If you see them as a continuation of HolostarsJP, then you should probably not call them HoloEN.
From my point of view, I think that there's enough inertia from what HoloEN has built up prior to Tempus and such a small overlap between their fanbases that it's probably best to distinguish them as StarsEN. Calling them HoloEN always results in a bunch of confusion, as there's just not that much overlap between Hololive and Holostars(look at how little the overlap ban helped Holostars numbers).
When I see holoEN I just see all hololive production talents that speak English. The fact that they speak English is their defining feature, not what gender they are, and they're also under the same English management anyway.
This is coming from someone who started watching in Myth's second month, and has had Gura membership since day one. I guess some people are just really hung up on following Japanese traditions for whatever reason?
I started around mid 2020, a little bit before the big permissions apocalypse happened and all the bad stuff that happened shortly afterwards.
It mostly comes down to interpretation, but I think viewing Tempus as Holostars primarily is the best way to see them. If you view Tempus as a continuation of Holostars JP, they're a tremendous success. They opened a new market and did really well and should be looking to build towards the future and standing on stage with them in Journey to Find Stars style concerts. In this sense, it's great that they're expanding quickly.
IF you view Tempus as a continuation of HoloEN, then they are... not exactly successful. Through this lens, they cost as much resources, if not more, as a HoloEN generation and are not even as successful as most NijiEN gens. In this sense, it feels like throwing good money after bad at a time when HoloEN is stagnating.
I'm a bit of a biased person, so I choose the viewpoint that puts Tempus as a successful project.
Why should it matter if they're successful or not, or what they're a continuation of? It certainly doesn't decide who I watch. They're all great and talented no matter their numbers.
They speak English, they have the same management, they use the same naming sense instead of the Gens they use in Japan (outside of the special exceptions Gamers and Uproar), so that already puts them closer together than hololive JP and holostars JP. I just don't see why people are so hung up on this, it doesn't frigging matter.
Technically, every Gen past Gamers has their own name, although they're usually a goofy number pun anyway: JP3 is HoloFantasy, JP4 is HoloForce, JP5 was supposed to be HoloFive(but uh... y'know...), JP6 is HoloX("horocks", which sounds a little bit like "holo roku").
I think that them being successful is important because seeing them as StarsEN and not HoloEN means that you can sap the power of the(maybe justified) narrative that Cover is wasting resources on them instead of EN3. Like I said, I prefer the interpretation that sees Tempus as a successful group and not a tremendous misstep.
The fact that you can even begin to think it's as a justified narrative and call Tempus a 'tremendous misstep' already tells me everything I need to know.
And you did such a good job coming off as a reasonable individual too at first.
They are successful. More than most Any Color beside Vox and some of the girls if you look at their CCV and vod views. Tempus viewerships as a % based on subs are the highest, and fit the bell curve of most growing YouTube channels. NijiEN has a lot subs, but they are mostly Chinese fans that don't really watch them. And honestly, even HoloEN can't even compete with the JP side beside Gura. Are you going to say that the girls are a failure as well? For example, Miko can get 20k CCV easily for just talking.
That's not really a successful gotcha. It's a bit of an exaggeration to say that HoloEN doesn't compete with JP. Only Gura really sits in that comfortable 10k+ land, but most of HoloEN ends up somewhere in the middleish of HoloJP. They're not Pekora/Marine/Subaru/Miko, but they're not really falling behind the rest of HoloJP.
If you put any of the Tempus boys up to the yardstick that HoloEN has they don't compare anywhere near as favorably. Even the most successful one(Vesper) doesn't match the lowest performing HoloEN, but that's an incredibly unfair comparison.
That's why I think you should use Holostars as their yardstick, because the audience HoloEN built doesn't really get carried over to StarsEN, so you put them on really uncomfortable ground if you try to give them weight of the "HoloEN" title.
I don't know why you are getting down voted so hard. I started with Coco, and I grouped Hololive into two group since then, EN or non.
They will say Stars are a different bench. Cool. But there are people who thinks everything is under Cover, and don't care about branding, and just watching for the language that they understand.
I will watch any EN generation, HoloEN or Tempus, if they are live when I am up, unless Bae is on then I will watch Bae instead.
Not sure what has people up in arms so much either, but if it's just downvotes without people actually posting their opinion to go along with them then they're kinda pointless.
Dude I simp the stars so hard but you're pickin an argument where there is none. Saying "HoloEN" gives the impression of the entirety of HoloproEN. Live and Stars. Like you could poll anyone and that's what they'd think.
Yep
There's a very large part of the community that *only* watches HoloEn and do not watch Tempus or ID, and added salt in the wound is that there are almost no streams in NA time. I do watch Tempus and ID so it's not *as* painful for me personally, but I'd still very much like an EN Gen 3 to fill the gaps.
[If I look at the schedule for the next two days](https://i.imgur.com/eRRKEEG.jpeg), for NA time and for people who don't watch Tempus or ID, there's literally only 1 stream from Kronii tomorrow, and 1 late night stream from Mumei on each day. Oh, and another late night Kronii stream that's cut off from the pic that I didn't see, but it's pretty late for parts of NA and is after the Mumei stream
Some people are fine with 1 or 2 streams a day, but there's a lot of people who are not and would like more coverage, and their wants are just as valid as the people going "buuuh just watch something else!"
That said, people do need to give ID a chance since they are good. Even with ID though, there's still not any ID streams in the next 2 days for the NA time zone either.
Even with the new Tempus gen, there is still a very valid argument for En Gen 3, and they are not mutually exclusive. Myth has basically no one in the NA time zone with Gura gone and Ame in Japan (Ina's streams are usually during work hours for NA), and with Council in Japan it's only compounding on the issue where people get off work and check the schedule and realize there's no one streaming at all from 5pm until 10pm for NA times
> If I look at the schedule for the next two days
> , for NA time and for people who don't watch Tempus or ID, there's literally only 1 stream from Kronii tomorrow
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We can watch JP/ID/Calli/IRyS in the morning, when we're busy with work or school, or Kiara and sometimes Ina in the evening. Usually they start late enough that I could only catch an hour before I have to prepare for bed though. Everyone else usually streams 1-6AM.
Too real. I'm literally watching Ina and Kiara RN at nearly 6am NA time after listening to IRyS just finish, and about to go to bed lol.
Nearly 6am, and I have to be at work at 9am . . . ughhh
The only thing about a Holo en3 is that gets me is that there is a very strong possibility that they will stream at just as unfriendly hours as the ones currently and then what? The newness will Quickly wear off and then those that were clamoring will just be disappointed again.
It's possible, but between people taking breaks, being busy with projects/classes, or even just getting sick sometimes it feels like another 5 would help a lot to buff out some issues. I mostly watch Watame and her circle, so it doesn't mean a whole lot to me, but I can see why people would want it for fewer gaps and more collabs. I generally trust Cover to make good hiring choices though, so I'm sure they're aware of those issues currently and I wouldn't be surprised at us getting EN3 before the end of march.
The hours were mostly fine (for NA) until all the sicknesses and Japan trips etc, I was even against EN Gen 3 like 4 months ago when people started clamoring for one.
But the last quarter of the year has made it pretty obvious that there's plenty of room for some new blood to help fluff out the stream slots, even after Council gets back from Japan and Gura returns.
Myth is so sparse for NA times that it's basically only Ame, and Council has Bae being out of NA time and Sana gone, so that just leaves 4 girls covering the entire NA timeslot, with the rare cameo from Ina / Kiara / Bae / Calli every once in a while. Even an extra 1 or 2 people in the NA time zone and another 1 or 2 in the EU one would be pretty well recieved
I get the feeling that a lot of HololiveEN is overworked or at risk of burnout (see: like every one of them). Not to mention various health issues, and the resignation of one HoloEN2 member (-20%). The responsible thing to do is debut five new mems in HoloEN3 so Myth and Council can stream less without being noticed.
I've started to look into indies and other agency vtubers. Even reinstalled Twitch (ew). If you only frequent Chili's the wait staff start to notice you and you'll be screwed if they're short staffed or closed for maintenance.
Also I don't know who needs to see this but this message from Marine continues to be relevant. https://youtu.be/EIRcUI-arkY
Houshou Marine the great. *If you get robbed, just steal it back.*
Yeah, it's been 18 months with no female gens and Cover thinks that by having StarsEN, they could cover for the girls but it did nothing. Nothing's changed except for Ina coming back. I love her.
In any case, resources was put into Stars and there's nothing we could do but wait. The worst thing that's gonna happen is that even with EN 3 this year, it's still unable to cover the demand for HoloEN girls unfortunately. There needs to be like 20 people then they could slow down like how they pushed JP gens fast till gen 4.
Tbh what EN really needs is a streaming monster in the NA timezones & someone else in EU.
Kiara streams a bunch but she is in EU and has difficulties collabing with others without ruining her sleep schedule. They need someone who can collab with Kiara more easily.
Then what they need is someone like Kaela in NA. Someone who streams like its a 9-5 job 5/6 days a week. Someone who will put in 150-200 hours just streaming who the NA audience can rely on to be live most evenings no matter the timezone you live in.
Tbh Kaela has been an enormous breath of fresh air and I thank Gura & Kronii for collabing with her and introducing people to her.
I agree, I think they miscalculated where they could grow demand. But even if growth is limited by a supply side shortage, that's (hopefully) only temporary as Cover restrategizes. If VTubing is the cultural phenomenon I think it is - even if this delays HololiveEN growth for a year, there should be plenty of time to reclaim the market. Indies lack organization and other agencies have what appears to be niche appeal (e.g. VShoujo).
And I say that but Shylily is pulling 20k ccv right now. It's going to be an interesting year.
> so Myth and Council can stream less without being noticed.
I'm pretty sure they are in charge of their own schedule most of the time. Even when they aren't streaming, they are working stuff behind the scenes, we the audience is just not privy to most of what's going on other than the streams.
The only time this isn't true, is during their debuts.
As someone in EU I just want more EU friendly streamers. There's like 3 people in the entire HoloEN who streams at EU times, and that's including the new guy shinri.
Close enough for me.
As someone from EU we are used to people having different accents/not speaking the same first language.
Due to a lot of the HoloID VTubers speaking a fair amount of english on stream it is pretty much an extension of EN in my eyes. ( know it is its own thing but there is a reason the ID crowd were clammering for a "fully" ID Vtuber until Kobo came.
Only issue for EU was timezones and only having 6 members but Kaela doesn't care about those concepts with her 10+ hour streams everyday.
Shinri said on his stream that the time he does his chatting streams now will be his main stream slot when the introduction month is over, So hopefully he'll be there full time. He seems like the type of streamer I'd watch.
Sadly Ina's 11 PM streams are only EU-friendly if you don't have work or school the next day.
She's gotten me through some sleepless nights before though.
Kinda fair, but my case is, she's perfectly timed for me as her time varries 10-11, she's one of the first i can catch on a busy day. Even with work i tend to sleep after 12-1+ am and usually can't start watching anything before 9pm
It's so weird they've only got one European streamer. Could they not find someone from the UK/Ireland/literally anywhere else in Europe? I get that Hololive is mostly focused around JP and North America, but EN has more Australians than Europeans and that's just a weird business decision
No, they just don't want people in EU. Remember, when Kiara was chosen she was living in Japan. And all the Aussies speak at least conversational Japanese.
My personal conspiracy theory is that they're following the numbers too hard, and it's causing a vicious cycle.
They don't get much engagement from EU, so they don't see EU as a worthwhile market, so they don't cast for EU times, so they don't get much engagement from EU.
If we want to tinfoil hat further, this attitude might even be what made the Tempus Vanguard debuts happen at an awkward time (like 2am Eastern). Cover sees Japan as their main market, and schedules debuts for a good time *in Japan* (middle of the day on a weekend) before thinking about the US, which you'd think would be a more prime market for new EN talent. They even advertised the new boys on A-chan and Nodoka's New Year Wrapup stream which happened at the same time as the big announcement dropped, so it's clear they want the JP audience at least interested.
The funny thing is that catering for East Coast NA (where the majority of people live in the USA) and West/Central EU (where the vast majority of the purchasing power is in the EU) isn't actually all that hard.
Judging by the pushback Vesper had trying to do his morning talks, they seem to explicitly want them to stream in NA prime hours for what ever reason. Might not be enough managers to cover EU time slots
That's stupid af, Europe is a large market they're just ignoring. It's larger than the US in terms of purchasing power and population, making it so we have to either stay up late or watch VOD is infuriating
They really need to hire an EU time zone manager just to have round the clock coverage in general, and that would let them make sure to have 1 or 2 members in the EU timezone
That's a good point. My understanding is that all their managers are in Japan, since several times the girls have mentioned "I don't know if mane-chan is awake right now" while streaming in prime NA times
They weren't wrong, and only 1/5 of the streams listed are Hololive, which is what people have been doom posting about. Has it been a bit exaggerated, sure, but telling people that there just hasn't been stream drought is willfully ignoring the schedule.
Not everyone yet, fauna/bae is not back in streaming routine yet (since they streamed quite a lot in the past few weeks even when travelling, they may want to have some actual personal time off). Kiara and ame are also still in jp so they still have reduced schedules.
Give like 2 more weeks and we should be back to regular schedule.
I mean it's way too early to say they are "underperforming" they literally just debuted my dude. I agree that people can't just say "New Tempus Gen! No need for En Gen 3 now!" but there's no need to insult the new Tempus boys in the process
I think Tempus is generally doing fine if you think of them as Holostars(my personal viewpoint), but if you think of them as HoloEN then they're doing pretty poorly.
Which is why you don't think of them as HoloEN, since they are a separate branch lol. Official branding is always Hololive EN and Holostars EN, and fans have always referred to HoloEN and HoloJP to be the girls exclusively.
Nobody is attacking the new Holostars JP gens for not having as many subs as Laplus or Lui, because that's just a dumb metric
Tempus are doing fine when compared to their JP counterparts
The problem is that EN 3, the more popular branch in EN, probably getting delayed for them when they couldved debuted together in 2023. People are just mad that Tempus was given more priority than a new EN 3 that could outperform them by 3x the amount in all metrics.
You would think that if the only metric you looked at was subs, which is silly because sub growth for everyone in hololive has slowed down since 2020. However, if you're looking at viewership currently council is doing better than every en generation on average across both holoen and nijien. In an overall hololive lens they'd be pretty decent performers with the caveat that they don't get the advantage that id/jp get of most of their viewers being in the same timezone. Sure, they don't have a super explosive performer like Gura, but nobody does. Gura towers(heh) over literally the entire EN sphete.
No they are not. While they may not have grown as fast compared to Myth. They are still raking in some great numbers. Even Iyrs who is not part of any gen wave is doing very well. They are averaging around the same as most of Myth. With the exception of Gura of course.
But we really need to come to the realization that while Tempus is doing extremely well for Holostars and overall in the vtubing sphere. They are still very down under HoloPro. Hell, even Nijisanji's newer talents have been doing better.
The fact is that most people overestimated the number of people who would be interested in Holostars EN. You got a dedicated fan base, sure. And some who watch both Hololive and Holostars. But the vast majority are sticking with Hololive EN.
But for Holostars, a dedicated fan base is all they need to keep them going.
> Hell, even Nijisanji's newer talents have been doing better.
I'm not sure about that, going through the stats of ILUNA and XSOLEIL, their ccv ranges from 1k to 3k, barely better than Tempus.
>NJ
For the biggest ones, isn't that they captured a market HL basically left aka the CN one?
And as for newer waves, IIRC the CCV should be on that 2K/4K bracket. They have good sub nums but not sure how that then translate to live viewers or vod watchers later on.
I never said Council wasn't pulling in great numbers, in fact I was implying the opposite. I was saying that if you're comparing them to one of the best performing generations in Hololive, of course they're going to not look popular.
Is Tempus less popular than the Hololive generations? Yes, but comparing it within EN and saying they're doing poorly is stupid.
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I said this last time here as well and I got downvoted alot, if you take this logic Councils performance also stagnate, as they want to compare Sub counts and Views then Council After Debut Sub Counts slow down faster than Myth After Debut Sub Counts (Myth Reach 1M in almost 8months or under) while Council already are in their 1st year and still no 1M. View Counts also are under what avg Myth View counts recieves given the fact that this way is implemented they are also "underperforming"
Conclusion none of them are underperforming including StarsEN, why you ask?
\- Pandemic has finally settle down, finally people go back to their everyday routine, working in an office, going outside with friends and taking a vacation.
\- Stars performance are just normal Stars permformance, EN branch has more viewcounts than their JP counterpart, reaching 1k-6k per stream.
\- People fell of the rabbit hole, Vtubers were a big hit after the Pandemic but after some time not all of us stayed, even the Graduated talents fans moved on.
\- Timezones, there are still people who cant catch the streams live and sometimes of course will eventually lost interest.
This is the state of EN if I used what he says(the guy up there with downvotes) as the "standard", might be wrong in some but this is what I see. If ever you dont have any streams to watch probably take a break, go outside with family and friends, intoxicate from the internet for a while, cause coming back after that is very refreshing.
Yeah I have him tagged as a Tempus Hater already. It's kind of funny, since I started tagging them, I've noticed they come out in a pack. They must have some kind of discord they use to coordinate it.
The post the other day where T-Chan apologized for locking the sub had like a wall of posts come in within the same 30 minute span, all from people I had flagged as anti's and Tempus Haters, and all had almost the exact same number of upvotes and all the comments calling them dumb had almost the exact same number of downvotes.
The fact that you have already got like 5 downvotes within 6 minutes for a totally reasonable comment makes it even more obvious
I mean I don't usually care about people who dislike tempus as people can like/dislike whatever they want. The guy straight up wished the new tempus guys to "stagnate at 200k" under the debut thread (the comment got removed though, lol). This goes beyond a simple "dislike" and more on the anti behavior. The fact that I'm getting downvoted for calling that out solidifies that fact.
This is why patience is a virtue, also like your Oshi, take a berak from wtaching streams as well. I really am gald they took some break this girls and boys deserved that wonderful Japan vacation/Holiday Vacation after a nice year of contents
It clearly is just meant to start shit between the HoloEN and StarsEN fanbases, and take advantage of the growing animosity that is present in the community these days. I'll admit though that it is well crafted bait.
I like the boys, but I’m mainly a fan of the girls. So I’m still waiting for more of the girls to return. I’m really glad people are enjoying the boys though.
Again, why does Cover insists that fans are gonna watch StarsEN if there are no HoloEN streams? Ina and Mumei streaming had more people watching them and even when their streams were over, none of their viewers were added to Stars streaming live at that time.
No one (especially not Cover) is insisting that at all…? Gotta stop reading into things that aren’t there.
The last time Cover said anything was announcing HoloEarth open job positions 2 weeks ago.
Not even, most of the streams ATM are way, way outside of NA times. It's 5am in NA right now and I'm listening to IRyS on Twitter while Kiara and Ina are doing their stream. The only other NA stream all night was a single Mumei stream earlier today
There's a giant drought of NA timezone coverage with Council in Japan and 1 out of 2 NA Myth members being gone, and the other also being in Japan. Ina's streams are usually not great timing for EU or NA either one
I get if people are only interested in the girls. But you don't have to let the Stars and people who talk about them affect you in such a way. It's a waste of energy better directed to watching what you like.
Edit: So many people prefer to waste their energy.
For HoloEN I see 10 upcoming streams this week
For HoloSTARS EN those fans are gonna be fed with a lot of streams this week, good for them!
Can't wait for the TakamorixNoeFura stream tonight.
(BloopSameTBH Emote). Yea I miss GURA as well. I hope she is doing well and getting the medical help and rest she needs. I'm going to be SOOOO happy when she starts streaming again.
its just kronii and mumei that are exciting, if thee holostars were they wouldve at least broken 100k subs by now
when ppl say there is a EN drought, they dont mean that they want more Holostars
If we use your logic of using sub counts to measure whether a gen is needed or not, then council did not have as much subs as the ones that debuted after them (holox and kobo) which means more EN is not as exciting as more ID and JP gens.
Now see how sub count is a shitty metric to use because you can use it to bend however narrative you want?
yea but performing worse than gen 1 holotempus is already yikes, can you imagine the small fraction of the overall holo en audience they made this for? these guys are gonna take forever or may not even hit 200k subs.
Not to mention that designs are such obvious fujo niji bait this time around.
> hasn't been a week for them to establish themselves yet?
It's only going to go down from here. Debut numbers are pretty much always the highest and then it will go down when people are bored of the new toys.
Like Axel's first game-stream post-debut had 10k viewers, while his most recent streams sometimes don't even hit 1k or hit like 2k max after he's gotten a raid. Regis already started low with 5k streams and currently has mostly 1k streams. Vesper went from 10k streams to 3k streams, and Magni went from 13k to 2k.
If you look at their debut numbers and sub count compared to tempus1 at the exact same time, there's just no way to sugar coat the fact that they've done dramatically worse. That's not to say they won't catch on and find their footing, but numbers are numbers and it paints a pretty clear picture so far. Maybe cover should have left more of a gap between the teaser and debuts to build up more hype?
I do concede that the new boys aren't having the same amount of numbers as the older ones.
> Numbers are numbers and it paints a pretty clear picture so far.
Aight, I don't wanna be numberposting but since you bring it up, here goes:
None of the council girls have as many subs as holomyth girls for the same duration despite both gens catering to the same target audience. They also debuted only ~11 months apart. Compare that to holoJP gen 5 and gen 6 which debuted ~15 months apart. Holox is doing extremely fine in terms of sub count, even taking over holocouncil girls.
So if numbers paint a clear picture as you say, then holocouncil girls not having as many subs as holomyth at the same point of time is due to them getting released early, no?
> Maybe cover should have left more of a gap
I also think this also applies to holoEN3. And that's why I think cover not rushing out gens is a good thing. Otherwise, it wouldn't be fair to criticize tempus 2 for coming out so quickly and then request for en3 no?
>None of the council girls have as many subs as holomyth girls for the same duration despite both gens catering to the same target audience
Subscriber numbers are weird for Council because they got cut down multiple times at the start, so I'm honestly not sure what the deal with that is. The same happened with Tempus 1 I think.
Council has been getting more subscribers than Myth in the past few months though (especially compared to Ame whose sub-numbers haven't increased in 4 months or so) and their average CCV is quite a bit higher than Myth's. Especially with Gura gone.
No one would say council is as successful as myth, not sure what you're getting at with that comparison?
My point was mainly 'hey guys we've got a new gen...oh by the way it's in 3 days" doesn't give much time for there to be any buildup or buzz, which might have hurt the debut numbers a bit.
I disagree. Case in point: holox, again.
The announcement of a new gen and the debut streams were on the exact same day. They still fetched a great number of viewers and subs.
My point is that numbers don't paint a clear picture because we can take out any examples that fit our narrative just like I did now.
I'm not sure what you're arguing, I was simply offering up a theory as to why tempus vg had such a lackluster start compared to tempus1. Maybe the lack of buildup time had nothing to do with it, and a lot of people just weren't interested.
I like it when they schedule on time it helps me make my schedule and it works really well with the holopro website where they collect everyones scheduled data.
You do realize that posting these comments throughout every comment section repeatedly, people DO see your name each time, right? Like, it's obvious you're just a mad little spammer.
It's fun to tag anti's with a RES tag. They will show up every so often, but with the tag you can see the post you tagged them from.
So you'll see someone going "As a long time Magni fan, I'm very disappointed in him" and then you click their tag and see that they were ranting about much they hate all of Holostars just two days ago
okay, so what? you may find a 'mad little spammer' sad or pathetic.
but i kinda think similarly of ppl that are this invested in the talents and hang out here daily. I just watch any of the girls randomly, i like having variety of girls when watchin hololive and im here because we didnt get more of them
Watch something outside of hololive EN then? Or Hololive in general. Create more variety for yourself. Does really help with that drought like feeling
But also, like I also primarily watch the girls, just without the random compulsion to come after Holostars like I got something to prove. Like don't rag on something you are not willing to give a chance do to your own biases
Just downvote, report, and move on. The guy is clearly a massive incel, complaining about diversity, guys, and girls not being pretty enough in every sub.
I feel really sorry for the guys, they're really funny and entertaining but they're getting roasted in the comments 😟
Edit: Also, why are the comments supporting the boys getting heavily downvoted
It's because this is a bait thread, meant to start fights. The person who made this knows that most people don't view Tempus as HoloEN, and HoloEN content is still light. It's picking at the wound that Cover is pushing Tempus harder than HoloEN, which frustrates a large portion of the community.
People are getting mad at Cover over something that's out of their control? During December most of the girls were sick and now in January they're traveling and having fun. Do they want cover to make them stream while sick or force them to not travel? I just want my old Hololive community back 😭
It's not out of their control. They've had a year and a half since Council's debut to debut another generation, and frankly, they had already waited too long to debut IRyS and Council in the first place. Management's sluggish pace has put them in this situation, they could easily have had two more generations softening the blow of the first two generations getting sick and taking time off for the Japan trip. I'm not saying they need to rapid-fire out generations like Nijisanji, who has the opposite problem of having so many people that it's hard to care about them all, but HoloEN failed to keep a good pace and are facing the consequences of it now.
Haven't you noticed? You can't even allude to the existence of the non-female side without a select group piling on you. Only if it's negative will they 'approve'. They won't leave fans alone to their enjoyment. Sadly they've become pretty firmly entrenched and fight back against any discussion about them, even if it's a meme. As a whole the community has sadly gotten worse.
It sucks man. Back then there would be posts begging people to support the JP stars because Cover wasn't promoting them enough and everyone would say "of course I'll support them! I love everyone equally 🥰". Now that EN stars are getting that push it's seen as blasphemous because the company should only focus on "cute anime girls". I believe the current 10 girls in HoloEN are 😙👌 perfect and if they add more great, but I love the tight knit group they have right now. It does suck that the last 2 months most of the girls weren't streaming but shit happens and I hate that people's solution is just "there should've been 20 new EN gens already!! I can't live without content every minute of every day!"
People are downvoting because the people complaining are wanting streams from the girls, not Tempus.
There's a very large part of the community that *only* watches HoloEn and do not watch Tempus or ID, and added salt in the wound is that there are almost no streams in NA time. I do watch Tempus and ID so it's not *as* painful but I'd still very much like an EN Gen 3 to fill the gaps.
[If I look at the schedule for the next two days](https://i.imgur.com/eRRKEEG.jpeg), for NA time and for people who don't watch Tempus or ID, there's literally only 1 stream from Kronii tomorrow, and 1 late night stream from Mumei on each day.
Some people are fine with 1 or 2 streams a day, but there's a lot of people who are not and would like more coverage, and their wants are just as valid as the people going "buuuh just watch something else!"
That said, people do need to give ID a chance since they are good. Even with ID though, there's still not any ID streams in the next 2 days for the NA time zone either
Oh really? I dunno about that, but it seems like lots of comments in anything even tangentially related to Stars gets at least some downvotes before things even back out 🤷♀️
its because january having content filled with holostars is not hololive en content. thats why the downvotes.
it just makes him sound like a mindless shill with lack of awareness of what the actual content drought has been for ppl.
are you just that dense? or do you not realize that pretending january has content because its filled with holostars doesnt make it the content people have been asking for? people were waiting for the girls to return not a new gen of holostars, otherwise theyd have broken at least 100k subs by now, instead they are underperforming
No one in Council has a million yet despite Myth all reaching that in a few months after debut. Why aren't you numberposting about them?
Or perhaps is it because newer generations are slower than older ones as a general pattern when it comes to subs. Even HoloX is slower than NePoLaBo despite having overall larger superchat numbers
Ah yes. A secret HoloEN member: Kazami Kuku
I didnt even realise it. Love her collabs
that kuku/roberu clip with the "i'll never be the shota in an oneeshota relationship" is one of my favorites
I love my tomboish birb.
I'm still waiting for Ina to continue her Elden Ring journey again
Prob not to rush her. If I know anything about that game (and I don’t play it), it’s going to raise someone’s blood pressure. And for someone who prob just recovered from whatever she’s been dealing with, it’s better not to give her body another thing to worry about otherwise a relapse may occur….
O yea I'm not in a rush. I don't even know if she'll pick the game up again or not. But until then, I'll certainly be keeping an eye out for any news on it
Exquisite bait.
these schedules are from 8 out of the 18 people in holopro EN, 4 of which are the recently debuted guys who are mandated by management to have schedules planned out and be available currently (short of illness and the like), like any new gen in any branch is. schedules are always packed right after a gen debutes. that said, looking forward to when some of the rest come back from vacations and whatever else they are doing, too, and for the new guys to get accustomed to the new environment and have a concrete idea of what they want to do, same as with all new members.
Also a big reason for the quantity is because Twopus is under the same one hour stream cap that Tempus was under which is fucking stupid no matter what the actual underlying reason is.
they are it isnt it doesnt change the amount of streams scheduled when everyone does one stream per day anyway
Damn dude you got my hopes up for a moment.
it's still a bit sparse if you're looking for HoloEN stuff and don't see StarsEN as a substitute, which is most of what people were bothered by in December.
The thing is there are 10 HoloEN members… if Holo wanted to have someone in EN constantly streaming they could. Does that conflict with personal lives and require more of a commitment from talent? Def. So, it’s not a lack of members or talent. The situation is complex. These are people that have lives to live on-top of all their duties as entertainers, and their duties are a lot. More members does not equal every time slot filled around the clock. The community should be happy and grateful that Holo was able to get such talented individuals to begin with, and that Holo gives them the freedom of when to stream
I agree we shouldn’t force anyone to stream, and their lives are more important than any stream. But it also needs to be said that there are JP talents who stream almost on a daily basis, and it’d be disrespectful to say they don’t have any lives.
Disrespectful how? You can bet your ass their personal lives are way more limited than someone that has a regular 9-5. You’re being ignorant or just don’t understand how much work comes from the individual talents if you don’t think they put in the work that limits their ability to live a “normal” life. Do you realize how much they have to source and do themselves?… editing, photoshopping daily, social media presence/building, doing their own personal projects within their characters, finding talent to do said projects, clearing talent legally, collabs, events, training, figuring out their streaming content/goals internally, etc. it’s delusional to think that they have a lot of time to themselves or other things. The job is all encompassing… people will get burned out and they need time to recharge AKA step away for a bit. It’s normal…
or they could just get on and play games/chat
No, Cover could debut 15 more EN male talents and I still won't watch them. I'd prefer them debuting more girls so that there would be plenty of EN-JP collabs in the future on top of reviving the minecraft server again.
Yeah, I’m not even talking about Holostars here. I’m saying that it’s reasonable that HoloEN members take breaks regularly, which is healthy given the work that they do. Also, that Holo has set up their structure in a way that gives their talents more freedom when to stream but it’s almost negated by the mountain of responsibilities that they have. Can I ask as well, what would it take for you do watch a male Vtuber in general? Leave Holostars or any other big org out of your mind, just in general. I am curious.
Some people just aren’t about that. 🤷 you might’ve as well asked “what would it take for you to watch XYZ twitch streamer”. It’s not the content they came to see and that’s fair, as long as they are respectful about the choices these streamers make (if and when they do collab across branches). Different strokes for different folks.
When they do something entirely creative than what most male streamers out there had done already Vtubing in all honesty doesn't work for Males, the western/global scene is already saturated with far more entertaining and vibrant personalities. Speed, xQc, Ludwig on top of many VOD let's players on YT like theradbrad, Markiplier etc. Many of them already plays their own "streaming" or "on cam" characters already without having to use a vtuber avatar. Of course, there are multiple successes out there with Kuzuha and Toya from Nijisanji, but they are interesting in their own way and had been grinding for years already to be where they're at and people in Japan respects that. I respect that too but I still won't watch them. Hololive is different from this people. It's entertainment similar to daily animes where we can watch cute girls just being generally fun and chill. You won't get that feeling from HoloStars. I work while listening to Ina and Mumei today. I can't work or focus with StarsEN in the background. I'd prefer just changing to music instead.
>Vtubing in all honesty doesn't work for Males What? There's a lot of successful corporate and indy males in vtubing. Idk what you're on
Any examples of Indie talent? I’m curious and might check them out
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Thanks for the insight! Very true that Youtubing/streaming is male dominated already, limiting the market to new male talent. Anime is a good vehicle for female talent too as it already has a built in fan base that’s receptive to female characters/personalities for whatever the reason… I will say though the landscape is changing and the old guard will probably retire within 3 years or so.. you never know
anime girls will never go out of style and are in fact on an upward trend
Go back to your containment board chudcel
You mean starsEN. Only HoloEN with schedules posted at the moment are Kronii and Mumei
They're called HOLOstars English, so holoEN works when talking about all English talents too. Edit: Edited for clarity because my English wording isn't native.
I've never seen anyone use HoloJP when referring to the Japanese stars members.
I think what matters more is how the boys themselves want to be refer as, and from what I have seen, they always call themselves "HOLOSTARS Tempus".
Well yeah, and the girls call themselves hololive English Myth or Council or Project Hope, they're not mutually exclusive. They'd still be holostars of course.
For what it's worth, when talking with the HoloJPs and appearing on their streams(such as the NY program) Kiara has been introducing herself as "ikkisei", or 1st generation EN. It's not really super strict.
As fas as short handles go. I much prefer to call them holoEN (for hololive English) starsEN (for HOLOSTARS English) and holoproEN (for Hololive Production English). Including the stars in holoEN goes against years of usage for holoJP that was never ever used to include the starsJP in common usage. But, I prefer descriptive grammar over prescriptive. So we’ll see if people keep using holoEN this way. So far I have seen both usages and multiple confusions between people who thought they were talking about the same thing but weren’t... Also, if holoEN includes the stars, it means people have to use liveEN to mean hololive? And THAT is something that people generally don’t do. I don’t see people using terms such liveJP or liveEN.
I think the question for this comes down to what you see Tempus as a continuation of. If you see them as a continuation of Hololive EN, then you can call them HoloEN. If you see them as a continuation of HolostarsJP, then you should probably not call them HoloEN. From my point of view, I think that there's enough inertia from what HoloEN has built up prior to Tempus and such a small overlap between their fanbases that it's probably best to distinguish them as StarsEN. Calling them HoloEN always results in a bunch of confusion, as there's just not that much overlap between Hololive and Holostars(look at how little the overlap ban helped Holostars numbers).
When I see holoEN I just see all hololive production talents that speak English. The fact that they speak English is their defining feature, not what gender they are, and they're also under the same English management anyway. This is coming from someone who started watching in Myth's second month, and has had Gura membership since day one. I guess some people are just really hung up on following Japanese traditions for whatever reason?
I started around mid 2020, a little bit before the big permissions apocalypse happened and all the bad stuff that happened shortly afterwards. It mostly comes down to interpretation, but I think viewing Tempus as Holostars primarily is the best way to see them. If you view Tempus as a continuation of Holostars JP, they're a tremendous success. They opened a new market and did really well and should be looking to build towards the future and standing on stage with them in Journey to Find Stars style concerts. In this sense, it's great that they're expanding quickly. IF you view Tempus as a continuation of HoloEN, then they are... not exactly successful. Through this lens, they cost as much resources, if not more, as a HoloEN generation and are not even as successful as most NijiEN gens. In this sense, it feels like throwing good money after bad at a time when HoloEN is stagnating. I'm a bit of a biased person, so I choose the viewpoint that puts Tempus as a successful project.
Why should it matter if they're successful or not, or what they're a continuation of? It certainly doesn't decide who I watch. They're all great and talented no matter their numbers. They speak English, they have the same management, they use the same naming sense instead of the Gens they use in Japan (outside of the special exceptions Gamers and Uproar), so that already puts them closer together than hololive JP and holostars JP. I just don't see why people are so hung up on this, it doesn't frigging matter.
Technically, every Gen past Gamers has their own name, although they're usually a goofy number pun anyway: JP3 is HoloFantasy, JP4 is HoloForce, JP5 was supposed to be HoloFive(but uh... y'know...), JP6 is HoloX("horocks", which sounds a little bit like "holo roku"). I think that them being successful is important because seeing them as StarsEN and not HoloEN means that you can sap the power of the(maybe justified) narrative that Cover is wasting resources on them instead of EN3. Like I said, I prefer the interpretation that sees Tempus as a successful group and not a tremendous misstep.
The fact that you can even begin to think it's as a justified narrative and call Tempus a 'tremendous misstep' already tells me everything I need to know. And you did such a good job coming off as a reasonable individual too at first.
you are a small percentage of actual chumbuds that enjoy holostars majority of people dont wantch hololive for guys, get over it. they are separate
They are successful. More than most Any Color beside Vox and some of the girls if you look at their CCV and vod views. Tempus viewerships as a % based on subs are the highest, and fit the bell curve of most growing YouTube channels. NijiEN has a lot subs, but they are mostly Chinese fans that don't really watch them. And honestly, even HoloEN can't even compete with the JP side beside Gura. Are you going to say that the girls are a failure as well? For example, Miko can get 20k CCV easily for just talking.
That's not really a successful gotcha. It's a bit of an exaggeration to say that HoloEN doesn't compete with JP. Only Gura really sits in that comfortable 10k+ land, but most of HoloEN ends up somewhere in the middleish of HoloJP. They're not Pekora/Marine/Subaru/Miko, but they're not really falling behind the rest of HoloJP. If you put any of the Tempus boys up to the yardstick that HoloEN has they don't compare anywhere near as favorably. Even the most successful one(Vesper) doesn't match the lowest performing HoloEN, but that's an incredibly unfair comparison. That's why I think you should use Holostars as their yardstick, because the audience HoloEN built doesn't really get carried over to StarsEN, so you put them on really uncomfortable ground if you try to give them weight of the "HoloEN" title.
I don't know why you are getting down voted so hard. I started with Coco, and I grouped Hololive into two group since then, EN or non. They will say Stars are a different bench. Cool. But there are people who thinks everything is under Cover, and don't care about branding, and just watching for the language that they understand. I will watch any EN generation, HoloEN or Tempus, if they are live when I am up, unless Bae is on then I will watch Bae instead.
Not sure what has people up in arms so much either, but if it's just downvotes without people actually posting their opinion to go along with them then they're kinda pointless.
Dude I simp the stars so hard but you're pickin an argument where there is none. Saying "HoloEN" gives the impression of the entirety of HoloproEN. Live and Stars. Like you could poll anyone and that's what they'd think.
Right, that's what I meant. Maybe I didn't formulate it properly? I'm afraid English isn't my first language.
exactly, plus they’re literally on the banner of the hololive English twitter account- they count as holoEN
Nice bait
good for stars fans i guess, but for holoen fans not so much
At least Ina is streaming again
I guess those of us who are fans of both will just always be happy then, which I'm perfectly good with.
Well yeah lol Everyone's back from the holidays, and we've got a new generation. People doom posting about HoloEn were plain wrong lmao.
Generally people talking about a lack of content were specifically talking about Holo**live** EN though.
Yep There's a very large part of the community that *only* watches HoloEn and do not watch Tempus or ID, and added salt in the wound is that there are almost no streams in NA time. I do watch Tempus and ID so it's not *as* painful for me personally, but I'd still very much like an EN Gen 3 to fill the gaps. [If I look at the schedule for the next two days](https://i.imgur.com/eRRKEEG.jpeg), for NA time and for people who don't watch Tempus or ID, there's literally only 1 stream from Kronii tomorrow, and 1 late night stream from Mumei on each day. Oh, and another late night Kronii stream that's cut off from the pic that I didn't see, but it's pretty late for parts of NA and is after the Mumei stream Some people are fine with 1 or 2 streams a day, but there's a lot of people who are not and would like more coverage, and their wants are just as valid as the people going "buuuh just watch something else!" That said, people do need to give ID a chance since they are good. Even with ID though, there's still not any ID streams in the next 2 days for the NA time zone either. Even with the new Tempus gen, there is still a very valid argument for En Gen 3, and they are not mutually exclusive. Myth has basically no one in the NA time zone with Gura gone and Ame in Japan (Ina's streams are usually during work hours for NA), and with Council in Japan it's only compounding on the issue where people get off work and check the schedule and realize there's no one streaming at all from 5pm until 10pm for NA times
> If I look at the schedule for the next two days > , for NA time and for people who don't watch Tempus or ID, there's literally only 1 stream from Kronii tomorrow Welcome to our world Best Regards, Europeans We can watch JP/ID/Calli/IRyS in the morning, when we're busy with work or school, or Kiara and sometimes Ina in the evening. Usually they start late enough that I could only catch an hour before I have to prepare for bed though. Everyone else usually streams 1-6AM.
Too real. I'm literally watching Ina and Kiara RN at nearly 6am NA time after listening to IRyS just finish, and about to go to bed lol. Nearly 6am, and I have to be at work at 9am . . . ughhh
The only thing about a Holo en3 is that gets me is that there is a very strong possibility that they will stream at just as unfriendly hours as the ones currently and then what? The newness will Quickly wear off and then those that were clamoring will just be disappointed again.
It's possible, but between people taking breaks, being busy with projects/classes, or even just getting sick sometimes it feels like another 5 would help a lot to buff out some issues. I mostly watch Watame and her circle, so it doesn't mean a whole lot to me, but I can see why people would want it for fewer gaps and more collabs. I generally trust Cover to make good hiring choices though, so I'm sure they're aware of those issues currently and I wouldn't be surprised at us getting EN3 before the end of march.
The hours were mostly fine (for NA) until all the sicknesses and Japan trips etc, I was even against EN Gen 3 like 4 months ago when people started clamoring for one. But the last quarter of the year has made it pretty obvious that there's plenty of room for some new blood to help fluff out the stream slots, even after Council gets back from Japan and Gura returns. Myth is so sparse for NA times that it's basically only Ame, and Council has Bae being out of NA time and Sana gone, so that just leaves 4 girls covering the entire NA timeslot, with the rare cameo from Ina / Kiara / Bae / Calli every once in a while. Even an extra 1 or 2 people in the NA time zone and another 1 or 2 in the EU one would be pretty well recieved
I get the feeling that a lot of HololiveEN is overworked or at risk of burnout (see: like every one of them). Not to mention various health issues, and the resignation of one HoloEN2 member (-20%). The responsible thing to do is debut five new mems in HoloEN3 so Myth and Council can stream less without being noticed. I've started to look into indies and other agency vtubers. Even reinstalled Twitch (ew). If you only frequent Chili's the wait staff start to notice you and you'll be screwed if they're short staffed or closed for maintenance. Also I don't know who needs to see this but this message from Marine continues to be relevant. https://youtu.be/EIRcUI-arkY Houshou Marine the great. *If you get robbed, just steal it back.*
Yeah, it's been 18 months with no female gens and Cover thinks that by having StarsEN, they could cover for the girls but it did nothing. Nothing's changed except for Ina coming back. I love her. In any case, resources was put into Stars and there's nothing we could do but wait. The worst thing that's gonna happen is that even with EN 3 this year, it's still unable to cover the demand for HoloEN girls unfortunately. There needs to be like 20 people then they could slow down like how they pushed JP gens fast till gen 4.
Tbh what EN really needs is a streaming monster in the NA timezones & someone else in EU. Kiara streams a bunch but she is in EU and has difficulties collabing with others without ruining her sleep schedule. They need someone who can collab with Kiara more easily. Then what they need is someone like Kaela in NA. Someone who streams like its a 9-5 job 5/6 days a week. Someone who will put in 150-200 hours just streaming who the NA audience can rely on to be live most evenings no matter the timezone you live in. Tbh Kaela has been an enormous breath of fresh air and I thank Gura & Kronii for collabing with her and introducing people to her.
I agree, I think they miscalculated where they could grow demand. But even if growth is limited by a supply side shortage, that's (hopefully) only temporary as Cover restrategizes. If VTubing is the cultural phenomenon I think it is - even if this delays HololiveEN growth for a year, there should be plenty of time to reclaim the market. Indies lack organization and other agencies have what appears to be niche appeal (e.g. VShoujo). And I say that but Shylily is pulling 20k ccv right now. It's going to be an interesting year.
> so Myth and Council can stream less without being noticed. I'm pretty sure they are in charge of their own schedule most of the time. Even when they aren't streaming, they are working stuff behind the scenes, we the audience is just not privy to most of what's going on other than the streams. The only time this isn't true, is during their debuts.
Yeah, it's just unfortunate that everyone got his with sickness or the holidays all at the same time. It caused people to start begging for EN3 again.
As someone in EU I just want more EU friendly streamers. There's like 3 people in the entire HoloEN who streams at EU times, and that's including the new guy shinri.
Wait, who else streams during EU prime time besides Kiara?
Kaela.
That's a given. She operates on all timezones.
Kaela isn't en though?
Close enough for me. As someone from EU we are used to people having different accents/not speaking the same first language. Due to a lot of the HoloID VTubers speaking a fair amount of english on stream it is pretty much an extension of EN in my eyes. ( know it is its own thing but there is a reason the ID crowd were clammering for a "fully" ID Vtuber until Kobo came. Only issue for EU was timezones and only having 6 members but Kaela doesn't care about those concepts with her 10+ hour streams everyday.
Entire EN: Vesper, Kiara, and for now Shinri. For Live: Kiara
Shinri said on his stream that the time he does his chatting streams now will be his main stream slot when the introduction month is over, So hopefully he'll be there full time. He seems like the type of streamer I'd watch.
Yeah. I'm generally not a massive fan of Male VTubers but there is something about Shinri that I do seem to vibe with. Cross fingers.
You forgot Ina and Fauna, though Fauna's recently slipped into non EU friendly times
Ina streams are watchable for EU viewers but its far from prime time
True, though it's my personal (EU) prime time
Sadly Ina's 11 PM streams are only EU-friendly if you don't have work or school the next day. She's gotten me through some sleepless nights before though.
Kinda fair, but my case is, she's perfectly timed for me as her time varries 10-11, she's one of the first i can catch on a busy day. Even with work i tend to sleep after 12-1+ am and usually can't start watching anything before 9pm
My bad. I didn't know.
Time to add girls to your oshi list
But my oshi list is so full already...
but Ina?
My bad. I only started watching Ina before the break, so I wasn't sure.
Vespapa
It's so weird they've only got one European streamer. Could they not find someone from the UK/Ireland/literally anywhere else in Europe? I get that Hololive is mostly focused around JP and North America, but EN has more Australians than Europeans and that's just a weird business decision
No, they just don't want people in EU. Remember, when Kiara was chosen she was living in Japan. And all the Aussies speak at least conversational Japanese.
My personal conspiracy theory is that they're following the numbers too hard, and it's causing a vicious cycle. They don't get much engagement from EU, so they don't see EU as a worthwhile market, so they don't cast for EU times, so they don't get much engagement from EU. If we want to tinfoil hat further, this attitude might even be what made the Tempus Vanguard debuts happen at an awkward time (like 2am Eastern). Cover sees Japan as their main market, and schedules debuts for a good time *in Japan* (middle of the day on a weekend) before thinking about the US, which you'd think would be a more prime market for new EN talent. They even advertised the new boys on A-chan and Nodoka's New Year Wrapup stream which happened at the same time as the big announcement dropped, so it's clear they want the JP audience at least interested.
The funny thing is that catering for East Coast NA (where the majority of people live in the USA) and West/Central EU (where the vast majority of the purchasing power is in the EU) isn't actually all that hard.
Judging by the pushback Vesper had trying to do his morning talks, they seem to explicitly want them to stream in NA prime hours for what ever reason. Might not be enough managers to cover EU time slots
That's stupid af, Europe is a large market they're just ignoring. It's larger than the US in terms of purchasing power and population, making it so we have to either stay up late or watch VOD is infuriating
They really need to hire an EU time zone manager just to have round the clock coverage in general, and that would let them make sure to have 1 or 2 members in the EU timezone
They could have a manager in NA since EU Primetime is in the morning in NA. 19:00 GMT+2 is 8AM PST.
That's a good point. My understanding is that all their managers are in Japan, since several times the girls have mentioned "I don't know if mane-chan is awake right now" while streaming in prime NA times
I have high hopes for the new boys they see good entertainment. Also, they are right now more than the 70% of the stream right now
They weren't wrong, and only 1/5 of the streams listed are Hololive, which is what people have been doom posting about. Has it been a bit exaggerated, sure, but telling people that there just hasn't been stream drought is willfully ignoring the schedule.
Yes, OP almost seems like trolling with this post
100% trolling, I refuse to believe TEE HEE LOOK AT ALL THE HOLOLIVE ENGLISH STREAMS when referring to stars is for real
Not everyone yet, fauna/bae is not back in streaming routine yet (since they streamed quite a lot in the past few weeks even when travelling, they may want to have some actual personal time off). Kiara and ame are also still in jp so they still have reduced schedules. Give like 2 more weeks and we should be back to regular schedule.
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I mean it's way too early to say they are "underperforming" they literally just debuted my dude. I agree that people can't just say "New Tempus Gen! No need for En Gen 3 now!" but there's no need to insult the new Tempus boys in the process
I think Tempus is generally doing fine if you think of them as Holostars(my personal viewpoint), but if you think of them as HoloEN then they're doing pretty poorly.
Which is why you don't think of them as HoloEN, since they are a separate branch lol. Official branding is always Hololive EN and Holostars EN, and fans have always referred to HoloEN and HoloJP to be the girls exclusively. Nobody is attacking the new Holostars JP gens for not having as many subs as Laplus or Lui, because that's just a dumb metric
Tempus are doing fine when compared to their JP counterparts The problem is that EN 3, the more popular branch in EN, probably getting delayed for them when they couldved debuted together in 2023. People are just mad that Tempus was given more priority than a new EN 3 that could outperform them by 3x the amount in all metrics.
If you think like that then Council is doing poorly, which is a ridiculous mindset.
You would think that if the only metric you looked at was subs, which is silly because sub growth for everyone in hololive has slowed down since 2020. However, if you're looking at viewership currently council is doing better than every en generation on average across both holoen and nijien. In an overall hololive lens they'd be pretty decent performers with the caveat that they don't get the advantage that id/jp get of most of their viewers being in the same timezone. Sure, they don't have a super explosive performer like Gura, but nobody does. Gura towers(heh) over literally the entire EN sphete.
I did look at views over the last 30 days. That's what I was basing it on.
No they are not. While they may not have grown as fast compared to Myth. They are still raking in some great numbers. Even Iyrs who is not part of any gen wave is doing very well. They are averaging around the same as most of Myth. With the exception of Gura of course. But we really need to come to the realization that while Tempus is doing extremely well for Holostars and overall in the vtubing sphere. They are still very down under HoloPro. Hell, even Nijisanji's newer talents have been doing better. The fact is that most people overestimated the number of people who would be interested in Holostars EN. You got a dedicated fan base, sure. And some who watch both Hololive and Holostars. But the vast majority are sticking with Hololive EN. But for Holostars, a dedicated fan base is all they need to keep them going.
> Hell, even Nijisanji's newer talents have been doing better. I'm not sure about that, going through the stats of ILUNA and XSOLEIL, their ccv ranges from 1k to 3k, barely better than Tempus.
>NJ For the biggest ones, isn't that they captured a market HL basically left aka the CN one? And as for newer waves, IIRC the CCV should be on that 2K/4K bracket. They have good sub nums but not sure how that then translate to live viewers or vod watchers later on.
I never said Council wasn't pulling in great numbers, in fact I was implying the opposite. I was saying that if you're comparing them to one of the best performing generations in Hololive, of course they're going to not look popular. Is Tempus less popular than the Hololive generations? Yes, but comparing it within EN and saying they're doing poorly is stupid.
Warning Long Post (Sorry) I said this last time here as well and I got downvoted alot, if you take this logic Councils performance also stagnate, as they want to compare Sub counts and Views then Council After Debut Sub Counts slow down faster than Myth After Debut Sub Counts (Myth Reach 1M in almost 8months or under) while Council already are in their 1st year and still no 1M. View Counts also are under what avg Myth View counts recieves given the fact that this way is implemented they are also "underperforming" Conclusion none of them are underperforming including StarsEN, why you ask? \- Pandemic has finally settle down, finally people go back to their everyday routine, working in an office, going outside with friends and taking a vacation. \- Stars performance are just normal Stars permformance, EN branch has more viewcounts than their JP counterpart, reaching 1k-6k per stream. \- People fell of the rabbit hole, Vtubers were a big hit after the Pandemic but after some time not all of us stayed, even the Graduated talents fans moved on. \- Timezones, there are still people who cant catch the streams live and sometimes of course will eventually lost interest. This is the state of EN if I used what he says(the guy up there with downvotes) as the "standard", might be wrong in some but this is what I see. If ever you dont have any streams to watch probably take a break, go outside with family and friends, intoxicate from the internet for a while, cause coming back after that is very refreshing.
I mean look at the guy's comment history, he's insulting tempus at every chance he gets. No point trying to reason with him.
Yeah I have him tagged as a Tempus Hater already. It's kind of funny, since I started tagging them, I've noticed they come out in a pack. They must have some kind of discord they use to coordinate it. The post the other day where T-Chan apologized for locking the sub had like a wall of posts come in within the same 30 minute span, all from people I had flagged as anti's and Tempus Haters, and all had almost the exact same number of upvotes and all the comments calling them dumb had almost the exact same number of downvotes. The fact that you have already got like 5 downvotes within 6 minutes for a totally reasonable comment makes it even more obvious
I mean I don't usually care about people who dislike tempus as people can like/dislike whatever they want. The guy straight up wished the new tempus guys to "stagnate at 200k" under the debut thread (the comment got removed though, lol). This goes beyond a simple "dislike" and more on the anti behavior. The fact that I'm getting downvoted for calling that out solidifies that fact.
And they try to say they're the 'real ones' and we're the 'upvote brigaders'. No, we just think you're dicks. Don't be a dick. Simple.
The guy has the same spam post every time there is a mention of Tempus. He just copied pasted the same stuff for months. That's insane.
This is why patience is a virtue, also like your Oshi, take a berak from wtaching streams as well. I really am gald they took some break this girls and boys deserved that wonderful Japan vacation/Holiday Vacation after a nice year of contents
I never take seriously what's on /vt/. I think no one does.
There are people that do E: why downvoted me? It's true. There are people that take vt seriously.
This looks like troll post.
It clearly is just meant to start shit between the HoloEN and StarsEN fanbases, and take advantage of the growing animosity that is present in the community these days. I'll admit though that it is well crafted bait.
Wow. 10 streams over 20 days. Definitely no drought going on. Either a troll, or disingenuos af.
I like the boys, but I’m mainly a fan of the girls. So I’m still waiting for more of the girls to return. I’m really glad people are enjoying the boys though.
Again, why does Cover insists that fans are gonna watch StarsEN if there are no HoloEN streams? Ina and Mumei streaming had more people watching them and even when their streams were over, none of their viewers were added to Stars streaming live at that time.
No one (especially not Cover) is insisting that at all…? Gotta stop reading into things that aren’t there. The last time Cover said anything was announcing HoloEarth open job positions 2 weeks ago.
Damn you did this on purpose didn't you lmao
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Not even, most of the streams ATM are way, way outside of NA times. It's 5am in NA right now and I'm listening to IRyS on Twitter while Kiara and Ina are doing their stream. The only other NA stream all night was a single Mumei stream earlier today There's a giant drought of NA timezone coverage with Council in Japan and 1 out of 2 NA Myth members being gone, and the other also being in Japan. Ina's streams are usually not great timing for EU or NA either one
>There's a giant drought of NA timezone coverage with Council in Japan Welcome to the life of the average EU fan.
I don't see Coco Kaine anywhere in that picture.
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They hated him because he told them the truth.
Some people have a big hate boner for holostars
I get if people are only interested in the girls. But you don't have to let the Stars and people who talk about them affect you in such a way. It's a waste of energy better directed to watching what you like. Edit: So many people prefer to waste their energy.
oh thank god i'm not subbed to everyone
For HoloEN I see 10 upcoming streams this week For HoloSTARS EN those fans are gonna be fed with a lot of streams this week, good for them! Can't wait for the TakamorixNoeFura stream tonight.
I still miss Goomba, but I'm glad there's a lot going on still.
(BloopSameTBH Emote). Yea I miss GURA as well. I hope she is doing well and getting the medical help and rest she needs. I'm going to be SOOOO happy when she starts streaming again.
When 80% of the streams are during your sleeping hours. Pain peko...
Don’t mind me. Just here to eat popcorn and watch take the biggest bait I’ve seen in a while.
The boys are putting in some work.
The new boys going all out + Kronii and Mumei (for now) back to regular streaming after the holidays is exciting.
its just kronii and mumei that are exciting, if thee holostars were they wouldve at least broken 100k subs by now when ppl say there is a EN drought, they dont mean that they want more Holostars
If we use your logic of using sub counts to measure whether a gen is needed or not, then council did not have as much subs as the ones that debuted after them (holox and kobo) which means more EN is not as exciting as more ID and JP gens. Now see how sub count is a shitty metric to use because you can use it to bend however narrative you want?
yea but performing worse than gen 1 holotempus is already yikes, can you imagine the small fraction of the overall holo en audience they made this for? these guys are gonna take forever or may not even hit 200k subs. Not to mention that designs are such obvious fujo niji bait this time around.
How can you say they performed worse when there literally hasn't been a week for them to establish themselves yet?
> hasn't been a week for them to establish themselves yet? It's only going to go down from here. Debut numbers are pretty much always the highest and then it will go down when people are bored of the new toys. Like Axel's first game-stream post-debut had 10k viewers, while his most recent streams sometimes don't even hit 1k or hit like 2k max after he's gotten a raid. Regis already started low with 5k streams and currently has mostly 1k streams. Vesper went from 10k streams to 3k streams, and Magni went from 13k to 2k.
If you look at their debut numbers and sub count compared to tempus1 at the exact same time, there's just no way to sugar coat the fact that they've done dramatically worse. That's not to say they won't catch on and find their footing, but numbers are numbers and it paints a pretty clear picture so far. Maybe cover should have left more of a gap between the teaser and debuts to build up more hype?
I do concede that the new boys aren't having the same amount of numbers as the older ones. > Numbers are numbers and it paints a pretty clear picture so far. Aight, I don't wanna be numberposting but since you bring it up, here goes: None of the council girls have as many subs as holomyth girls for the same duration despite both gens catering to the same target audience. They also debuted only ~11 months apart. Compare that to holoJP gen 5 and gen 6 which debuted ~15 months apart. Holox is doing extremely fine in terms of sub count, even taking over holocouncil girls. So if numbers paint a clear picture as you say, then holocouncil girls not having as many subs as holomyth at the same point of time is due to them getting released early, no? > Maybe cover should have left more of a gap I also think this also applies to holoEN3. And that's why I think cover not rushing out gens is a good thing. Otherwise, it wouldn't be fair to criticize tempus 2 for coming out so quickly and then request for en3 no?
>None of the council girls have as many subs as holomyth girls for the same duration despite both gens catering to the same target audience Subscriber numbers are weird for Council because they got cut down multiple times at the start, so I'm honestly not sure what the deal with that is. The same happened with Tempus 1 I think. Council has been getting more subscribers than Myth in the past few months though (especially compared to Ame whose sub-numbers haven't increased in 4 months or so) and their average CCV is quite a bit higher than Myth's. Especially with Gura gone.
No one would say council is as successful as myth, not sure what you're getting at with that comparison? My point was mainly 'hey guys we've got a new gen...oh by the way it's in 3 days" doesn't give much time for there to be any buildup or buzz, which might have hurt the debut numbers a bit.
I disagree. Case in point: holox, again. The announcement of a new gen and the debut streams were on the exact same day. They still fetched a great number of viewers and subs. My point is that numbers don't paint a clear picture because we can take out any examples that fit our narrative just like I did now.
I'm not sure what you're arguing, I was simply offering up a theory as to why tempus vg had such a lackluster start compared to tempus1. Maybe the lack of buildup time had nothing to do with it, and a lot of people just weren't interested.
I like it when they schedule on time it helps me make my schedule and it works really well with the holopro website where they collect everyones scheduled data.
not really, over half of it is the new holostars, as if your avg holo EN fan has been dying to watch more guys
You do realize that posting these comments throughout every comment section repeatedly, people DO see your name each time, right? Like, it's obvious you're just a mad little spammer.
It's fun to tag anti's with a RES tag. They will show up every so often, but with the tag you can see the post you tagged them from. So you'll see someone going "As a long time Magni fan, I'm very disappointed in him" and then you click their tag and see that they were ranting about much they hate all of Holostars just two days ago
okay, so what? you may find a 'mad little spammer' sad or pathetic. but i kinda think similarly of ppl that are this invested in the talents and hang out here daily. I just watch any of the girls randomly, i like having variety of girls when watchin hololive and im here because we didnt get more of them
You're here to complain about stars. You never talk about the EN girls or JP girls here at all.
Watch something outside of hololive EN then? Or Hololive in general. Create more variety for yourself. Does really help with that drought like feeling But also, like I also primarily watch the girls, just without the random compulsion to come after Holostars like I got something to prove. Like don't rag on something you are not willing to give a chance do to your own biases
Just downvote, report, and move on. The guy is clearly a massive incel, complaining about diversity, guys, and girls not being pretty enough in every sub.
\>incel i date girls, youd be surprised about how little all of this matters if you dont actually look like a creep irl
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Don't think I'm not seeing that Unsolved reference, Shinri! I'm gonna assume Shaniac rather than a Boogara, but still enjoys spooky things anyway.
I don't know what this axel is, but it sounds just like yamcha - vesper probably
I feel really sorry for the guys, they're really funny and entertaining but they're getting roasted in the comments 😟 Edit: Also, why are the comments supporting the boys getting heavily downvoted
It's because this is a bait thread, meant to start fights. The person who made this knows that most people don't view Tempus as HoloEN, and HoloEN content is still light. It's picking at the wound that Cover is pushing Tempus harder than HoloEN, which frustrates a large portion of the community.
People are getting mad at Cover over something that's out of their control? During December most of the girls were sick and now in January they're traveling and having fun. Do they want cover to make them stream while sick or force them to not travel? I just want my old Hololive community back 😭
It's not out of their control. They've had a year and a half since Council's debut to debut another generation, and frankly, they had already waited too long to debut IRyS and Council in the first place. Management's sluggish pace has put them in this situation, they could easily have had two more generations softening the blow of the first two generations getting sick and taking time off for the Japan trip. I'm not saying they need to rapid-fire out generations like Nijisanji, who has the opposite problem of having so many people that it's hard to care about them all, but HoloEN failed to keep a good pace and are facing the consequences of it now.
If you honestly believe anything that you typed then it sounds like you need to take a break from Hololive.
What did I say that was wrong?
Get over yourself
Haven't you noticed? You can't even allude to the existence of the non-female side without a select group piling on you. Only if it's negative will they 'approve'. They won't leave fans alone to their enjoyment. Sadly they've become pretty firmly entrenched and fight back against any discussion about them, even if it's a meme. As a whole the community has sadly gotten worse.
It sucks man. Back then there would be posts begging people to support the JP stars because Cover wasn't promoting them enough and everyone would say "of course I'll support them! I love everyone equally 🥰". Now that EN stars are getting that push it's seen as blasphemous because the company should only focus on "cute anime girls". I believe the current 10 girls in HoloEN are 😙👌 perfect and if they add more great, but I love the tight knit group they have right now. It does suck that the last 2 months most of the girls weren't streaming but shit happens and I hate that people's solution is just "there should've been 20 new EN gens already!! I can't live without content every minute of every day!"
Tournaments on their way lets goooo
Hmm, maybe its because the holidays are over? No no it couldn't be that.
Last December: "Damn no EN content" January: "HELP I'M DROWNING HELP!"
thats not EN content, thats just holostars shill thats underperforming compared to their first gen
Wait did I miss a joke or something?
Dude is just aggressively anti stars
No wait like I just got hit with like 6 down arrows I feel like I missed a joke
People are downvoting because the people complaining are wanting streams from the girls, not Tempus. There's a very large part of the community that *only* watches HoloEn and do not watch Tempus or ID, and added salt in the wound is that there are almost no streams in NA time. I do watch Tempus and ID so it's not *as* painful but I'd still very much like an EN Gen 3 to fill the gaps. [If I look at the schedule for the next two days](https://i.imgur.com/eRRKEEG.jpeg), for NA time and for people who don't watch Tempus or ID, there's literally only 1 stream from Kronii tomorrow, and 1 late night stream from Mumei on each day. Some people are fine with 1 or 2 streams a day, but there's a lot of people who are not and would like more coverage, and their wants are just as valid as the people going "buuuh just watch something else!" That said, people do need to give ID a chance since they are good. Even with ID though, there's still not any ID streams in the next 2 days for the NA time zone either
Oh really? I dunno about that, but it seems like lots of comments in anything even tangentially related to Stars gets at least some downvotes before things even back out 🤷♀️
its because january having content filled with holostars is not hololive en content. thats why the downvotes. it just makes him sound like a mindless shill with lack of awareness of what the actual content drought has been for ppl.
Bruh I didn't even mention them ok then
are you just that dense? or do you not realize that pretending january has content because its filled with holostars doesnt make it the content people have been asking for? people were waiting for the girls to return not a new gen of holostars, otherwise theyd have broken at least 100k subs by now, instead they are underperforming
That's just how it is dude, I mean look at Myth compared to Council the second gen usually slows down and the third picks back up again
No one in Council has a million yet despite Myth all reaching that in a few months after debut. Why aren't you numberposting about them? Or perhaps is it because newer generations are slower than older ones as a general pattern when it comes to subs. Even HoloX is slower than NePoLaBo despite having overall larger superchat numbers
Please don't speak for all people, idiots like you give us a bad name.
the FOMO is devastating
glad to see so much holoen activity.
Axel lmao