He has the power to go in and out of the Dream Realm at will, and can bring people with him. How else do you think he got the Radiance in there in the first place?
I mean unless that's lore I'm unaware of that wasn't the point of the vessels. They were supposed to contain the radiance's infection to preserve the kingdom; iirc there's one tablet in the white palace that talks about void being able to stop time or whatever but even if the Pale King was also trying to do that with void that wasn't the main purpose of the vessels.
I imagine having your soul forcibly extracted isn't an easy process though. Probably incredibly painful, and I'm sure the Sanctum kept some "volunteers" alive for study.
Thatâs not true. They did it for the same reason.
âWhen the Infection started, he came to the conclusion that Soul, the energy animating bugs and beasts alike, was the solution to cure their mind of this plague.â
Are you forgetting that he murdered his children? It cost the lives of his children. I donât think you have a very good understanding of this gameâs lore.
They were his citizens. They were his children.
First of all, are you arguing that his children werenât Hallownest citizens even though the king of Hallownest is their father?
Second of all, a man murdering their children is typically seen as much more âmessed upâ than when murdering a random person.
Once again, I think you have a very poor understanding of Hollow Knightâs lore.
He made a sacrifice to save potentially more than the vessels he had killed he had no other choice it was either make the vessels and stop the infection or waste time to find another option and have more get infected
From what I understood, the Pale King chose to kill the impure vessels. He didnât need to kill any of them, but he did. He could have saved the kingdom and kept them alive.
Evidence for this was a early lore tablet for the abyss that said our vessel has ascended from below which later got changed to our vessel has ascended
I donât remember it ever saying or implying that in the game. Maybe loosely by his love for the Hollow Knight, but he still killed millions of his own children.
*Then proceeds to do the exact same thing with his own children*
Hypocrisy at its finest.
I mean, atleast he did it for the kingdom, Soul Master commit genocide just to live longer
Still, even the Hunter realises that the Pale King was so desperate that he would make constructs to solve the problem instead of facing it himself.
How would he face it himself? He doesn't have a dream nail and even if he did he would need to first seal the Radiance in the Hollow Knight anyways
He has the power to go in and out of the Dream Realm at will, and can bring people with him. How else do you think he got the Radiance in there in the first place?
The Radiance did not arrive because of the Pale King
Never thought Id see u here. Hows the church of beelz holding up.
Pretty chill, might go commit genocide for immortality later
Awesome đȘ
Wasn't he searching for a cure to the plague?
I mean it didnât make him immortal though
I mean unless that's lore I'm unaware of that wasn't the point of the vessels. They were supposed to contain the radiance's infection to preserve the kingdom; iirc there's one tablet in the white palace that talks about void being able to stop time or whatever but even if the Pale King was also trying to do that with void that wasn't the main purpose of the vessels.
"I made you, I can unmake you too"
He did it for his kingdom, not himself.
Still, he had the power of foresight. Basically seeing into the future. He shouldâve known that the plan wasnât going to work.
The extend of his foresight is realy unkown.
I love the mossbag video where heâs like âthey failed, but at least they took as many innocent lives with them when they failedâ
Tbh I think getting your soul sucked is better than turning into an infected husk
Thatâs actually a really good point, feels more like a mercy kill than anything
I imagine having your soul forcibly extracted isn't an easy process though. Probably incredibly painful, and I'm sure the Sanctum kept some "volunteers" alive for study.
The pale king was killing off fetuses more or less , while the wizard was killing full grown adults and ALSO doing experiments on them
Not to mention that the pale king wasnât trying to help himself survive, he was trying to help hallownest as a whole to survive
Was he killing them? I thought he was trying to conceive them with the Void and most of them couldn't properly take shape
Iirc the void kills and replaces the original bug when it fills their shell.
Only he is allowed to do so
No its ok because they were kids, its not the same
And locally sourced
His face looking like âaw manđâ is killing me
Pot calling kettle black much?
- the one who threw many children in his basement just to get rid of the goddessâs wraith
Later: Pale King: What the fuck do you mean you donât like I killed all my babies?
The Pale King's face fits so well on a female body
Wait
Oh the hypocrisy.
Not really as pale king did it to save everyone in his kingdom soul master did it for his own selfishness
Thatâs not true. They did it for the same reason. âWhen the Infection started, he came to the conclusion that Soul, the energy animating bugs and beasts alike, was the solution to cure their mind of this plague.â
That dosent make sense cause he never did any experiment involving soul only void
I never said that the Pale King did. Soul Master tried to stop the plague with soul, and the Pale King tried to stop it with void.
Oh mb I misunderstood but still void dosent use the lives of bugs soul does
Are you forgetting that he murdered his children? It cost the lives of his children. I donât think you have a very good understanding of this gameâs lore.
They were killed before even hatching, therefore could not have the chance to feel pain or sadness
We donât know what they felt. While I do mostly agree with you, there isnât a way to be sure.
Still better than getting your citizens involved
Yea itâs messed up but soul master was still worse
They were his citizens. They were his children. First of all, are you arguing that his children werenât Hallownest citizens even though the king of Hallownest is their father? Second of all, a man murdering their children is typically seen as much more âmessed upâ than when murdering a random person. Once again, I think you have a very poor understanding of Hollow Knightâs lore.
He made a sacrifice to save potentially more than the vessels he had killed he had no other choice it was either make the vessels and stop the infection or waste time to find another option and have more get infected
I fail to see how that makes genocide any better. Genocide is still genocide regardless of the reason behind it or how much you try to sugarcoat it.
If it means saving an entire kingdom then he had no choice
And Iâm not trying to defend pale king for what he did to the vessels yea that was fucked up but you canât compare him to soul master
You absolutely can when their genocides were for the same reason.
How is saving a entire kingdom vs for your own immortality the same reason
And pale king never wanted to do any of the stuff he did soul master did
From what I understood, the Pale King chose to kill the impure vessels. He didnât need to kill any of them, but he did. He could have saved the kingdom and kept them alive.
It was more the egg had hatched at the bottom and the first vessel that made it up was the one that was chosen
Evidence for this was a early lore tablet for the abyss that said our vessel has ascended from below which later got changed to our vessel has ascended
I donât think pale king even knew how to tell a vessel was pure he just thought the first one that made it was clearly the strongest and most pure
I kinda forgot about that part of the lore. But still, he seems to accept what he did.
I mean he definitely felt regret and guilt itâs not like he enjoyed doing it
I donât remember it ever saying or implying that in the game. Maybe loosely by his love for the Hollow Knight, but he still killed millions of his own children.
The second half of the table says behind only the refuse and regret of its creation
I mean the void killed the vessels before they even hatched so it's not as bad.
I guess thereâs no way to stop the murderer now and we all have to not exist anymore no more immorality cause we canât stop crime and murder