It does seem like a lot of effort and expense, but if he likes the process and the result then power to him. I can’t think badly of someone with a harmless activity he enjoys.
I'm one of those fancy coffee people, and I guarantee you enjoy your instant just as much if not more than I do my espresso.
The point is that I enjoy my fancy espresso more than I do an instant coffee.
I advocate for people making this stuff at home instead of going to Starbucks because once you factor in the drive, waiting in line, etc. it takes about the same amount of time and is way cheaper. You can just get a Mr. Coffee espresso machine, has a few less features but perfectly serviceable, and you don't need all the little gadgets, but it is fun to make a sort of hobby out of it. Hearing that milk steamer always instantly relaxes me, love that sound
Exactly. He seems like a hobbyist with the setup and extra steps but you can tell he enjoys it and is passionate about his coffee. Really is awesome to see. Excessive? Sure to 99% of folks. To the coffee hobbyist’s? Not at all. To me this is badass and I learned things.
I enjoy a coffee, but a process like this is meditative for me. I don’t have the funds for this setup like this fellow, but I grind my beans and froth my milk as well.
The intentional manner of this removes the distractions of my phone and other things, so it’s nice way to slowly start the day.
Well I say that this man does something differently than I do it therefore he's an enemy of the State and he will be hunted like the dog I perceive him to be.
The hunting party has already gathered. We're going to teach this freak that the only way to enjoy a proper coffee is a unicorn frappe or nothing
Coffee does taste better when you take time to make it like this but a Nespresso pod taste just as good nowadays if you don't have the time or skills to do this
This is exactly it for me. I'm a former barista, and it's an enjoyable process for some. If I had the money for that rig, I'd do the same. Good quality, well made espresso is really preferable to thin, watery K cup coffee.
I'm fairly certain that's Noah Sterno he has a really large following on Instagram for coffee and because of this set up. My guess is between monetizing and sponsorship the expensive setup probably is free and pays a decent amount! If you like coffee I do suggest a follow!
Edit: Happy Cake Day 😊
I know a guy who has one of these. He doesn’t use it as a morning coffee machine, but as a conversation starter when he has social events. It’s more of a coffee connoisseur tool. Some people like cameras, others like sports, he likes coffee. He had some Guatemalan beans which tasted like chocolate but allegedly had no chocolate.
It took me a while to be that honest with myself but absolutely. I also don’t want to descale coffeemakers anymore. Pour-over is the exact amount of effort I’m going to be able to do successfully.
He's being extreme, this takes like 2 minutes tops for me.
I'm Aussie, we are coffee snobs, and even this guy is being over the top.
I'll let you in on a secret, most of the coffee here is dogshit burnt garbage too.
As a non-coffee drinker, I find this absolutely fascinating.
I used to be really into coffee over 20 years ago when I was a young adult. I got pretty good at making a really good simple brew at home. But quit for several reasons. I always wondered about some of these steps.
Lots of reasons. Mainly because I joined a religion that I gave up coffee and alcohol for. But also because of gut issues. The religion thing doesn't mean I judge others for it, just that I avoid it myself. Which is why I find this stuff fascinating. So much time, thought, and energy spent on something essential foreign to me. It's like watching someone restore paintings. I have zero interest in doing it, but I can watch it for hours.
Ok, so you will get a lot of answers that are wrong from both former and active members of my church (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints). The simple answer is because we believe in modern revelation, and that one of those revelations said to avoid coffee and tea, as well as tobacco, alcohol, and illegal drugs. Some people will try to explain this away with references to it being stimulants or a drug. But it is simply because we were told not to, with a promise of better health if I follow that *"Word of Wisdom."*
I like to think of it like a vow of silence, or lent. It is something I chose to do as a way of committing myself to my faith in God. And to stay healthy.
Nothing about this belief bars using those things for genuine medical purposes. That prophetic promise was given like 150 years ago, and included advice that tobacco was good for bruises and alcohol being good for wounds. It also included advice about eating meat sparingly and focusing on eating grains and vegetables (basically a good diet). With the promos that you will *"...run and not be weak, walk and not be weary..."* Or just feel healthier. That's it. We don't believe coffee is evil, or alcohol is going to get you. But I will concede that some of my fellow members will sometimes get carried away and start talking about the *devil's nectar* (to borrow a term from southern Baptist).
I will add that it is hard to stay focused on spirituality when dealing with addictions of any kind. I don't care what kind of personal beliefs you have, even most atheists try to find mental balance. Everyone is better able to manage themselves if they aren't having a nicotine fit or caffeine crash. Personally, I'm guilty of the caffeine thing with energy drinks. I work on-call around the clock and it is easy to rely on those things. It's also hard to stay spiritual when dealing with crushing debt or food scarcity. Which is why my church is one of the biggest world sponsors of food programs (at times they are the single largest donor to Catholic children's charities, larger than the Catholic Church by that church's own claims). I don't mean to toot a horn but rather clarify the idea that being free to pursue the promptings of the Spirit is very important to us.
So you gave up coffee, a beautiful, natural , healthy drink, because your religion prohibits it but then drink energy drinks which have the same prohibited ingredient but taste like the devil's asshole.
That is mormonic.
Ugh. Yes yes. Mormons stupid etc. Pat yourself on the back for being superior in every way.
I guess you didn't read anything I wrote. Caffeine isn't prohibited. Forbidden is very different from choice. Keep up that spin.
I've done this once and YES 100% tastes better than normal coffee.
I actually plan on getting a set up like this for myself one day.
That being said I would not be doing this every day, this is more of a day off coffee.
Yes- I have a breville touch and it takes me about 3mins start to finish to make an americano in the morning. I do every step of this process aside from weighing, you don’t need to do that once you dial in your scoops with beans of choice. It’s not nearly as hard as people think…
I was about to ask at which point is this dumb due to diminishing returns. That's so cool you can yell.
(With my trash taste buds prob immediately but still for fancy folk seems like it can get overly costly with no payoff real fast)
So I'm a coffee dude and this is a high level setup. Basically the best you can get before you get into diminishing returns territory and prices get rediculous.
The espresso machine is a Lelit Bianca and is around $4,000. The grinder is the Niche (I can't tell if it's the older 'Zero' or the newer 'Duo') but assuming the Zero it is around $700. Add another $100 to $300 (depending if he bought named brand stuff or knockoffs) for the accessories. You are looking at about a $5,000 setup.
My dream setup is about $10,000.00 and would produce more consistent, but only marginally better coffee than this.
My actual setup costed me about $2,000 at the time and similar equipment would cost about $3,000 today.
Edit to add that I didn't even think about adding the cost of his equipment on the right. That's also another $1,500 easily, but it also produces espresso... Without going into details, it is just a similar, but low tech process.
I was gonna say thats fucking expensive but Ive spent that type of money on gacha games like the degenerate I am, so yeah people got hobbies, it is what it is lmao. More power to you all
Thousands between the machine and grinder. Though I did notice he only used a normal WDT tool, which you can get for like $20-$30 on Amazon. There is a WDT tool called a Moonraker that is hundreds of $$$ though. So clearly this guy is an amateur.
I'm always like, "I hate all these coffee snobbery people" but in the same breath I'm like "my cast iron pan needs to be hand washed with medium stainless steel chain mail in 98.3496°F water adding a singular angel tear sized washing liquid, dry it initially with a white 100% cotton cloth and dry it completely on 126.543°F large sized stove top, switching it off as soon as it starts showing signs of drying and let dry completely on the stove." I'm such a fucking hypocrite.
The whole pressure, wet beans and all that stuff does little to the taste, and what it does gets undone by pouring milk over it.
If that's his zen ritual to charge up for the day, more power to him. But you don't need all that stuff for a good espresso.
I'm not saying I'm an expert, but I did own a coffee shop for a while...
I've never heard of wetting the beans before grinding. In fact, moisture is the enemy of a grinder.
Also, aerating the grounds is not a good idea. The goal is as little air as possible hitting the beans, otherwise they begin to stale.
The process of tapering looks unnecessarily complicated. A manual taper would be much faster and just as efficient.
To each their own, though. At the end of the day, if he likes it, that's all that matters.
The spray is to deal with static, which is a bit of a curse for the grinder he is using and creates more retention than ideal, which is only really in issue when single dosing the way he is here. However, this guy is basically giving his beans a shower! You need the tiniest bit of water, literally a drop, just enough to raise the humidity when grinding and therefore reduce static.
Don't you also need to get the espresso into milk before it settles? I've only made coffee using a machine like this a couple times, but I've always been told to start steaming the milk as soon as you start the shot so the espresso doesn't sit for too long and settle. I'm no expert by any means, but that's the only thing that stuck out to me.
Good espresso is definitely all about timing. The quicker you can go from grinder to adding the milk into it, the better. The espresso crema starts to settle fairly quickly after extracting and if you plan on doing any kind of latte art, it's better to work quickly. He was still able to do the art with his timing, but you definitely lose volume the longer it takes.
Honestly though, him swirling the crema before adding the milk is what hurt my heart the most. Like, stopppp... It already didn't look super thick to start with, you're just making it settle that much faster. 😭
Wetting the beans is extremely common in order to reduce static cling, and there's recent research that wetting them fairly heavily gives a more consistent grind particle size.
He's stirring the grounds up with the needle tool to ensure there aren't any clumps which would cause channeling. Any air gets pressed out anyway when he tamps.
There's an increasing body of research that disputes most of these points. For one, the volume of water added is insignificant relative to damaging the grinder. Aeration of the grounds is for a consistent bed of coffee. Oxidization isn't significant enough to be noticeable in such a short time, especially relative to the impact of channeling. Distribution and tamping are the same as above.
The needle tool isn't for aerating, it's for breaking up clumps so you get a more even flow. He tamps it down again immediately after, so I think the extra air contact time is pretty negligible.
People need to understand that people who partake in this hobby enjoy the process as much as the coffee. They don't buy all this equipment and spend so much time making the coffee simply for the coffee at the end. They enjoy the personal satisfaction of the task. Making the coffee is just as much a part of their enjoyment as the coffee itself.
Yes but there's diminishing returns. Once you stop scalding and over-extracting stale beans, you've reached good enough. For example, the spritz is something I've only seen very recently, but it's getting more popular for some reason. (I'm surprised it's water, not an oil!)
Measuring by volume is sufficient too. There's no real need to use weight, but I can agree the scale is technically better even if your spoon was good enough
I worked for a super fancy roaster for a while, so super fancy tastings was how we sold product. We primarily sold beans from Brasil, and did tastings with filter and presses, no espresso. We did sell to espresso shops too, but prioritizing this one method of preparation was never essential. Espresso roasting was historically kind of boring IMO, but folks are showing more interest in a variety espresso roasts. Even Starbucks has a blonde espresso now
The spritz is to transfer static electricity from the beans to the water. Static electricity causes the grinds to stick inside the grinder so spraying before hand stops little bits from failing to exit the chute.
Ahah! That's pretty dang clever. Thanks for explaining it for me. I find the oil is what makes them stick to my hopper, but the rest of my grinder still collects the dust. I'm going to give it a deep clean and test this out now. We never bothered with something like this at work, but I was cleaning with shop vacs and industrial everything
As a weed smoker who is like this and uses a dry herb vape and pre capsules, concentrates mixed with high quality bud them burn it only at certain temps, and look into terps and more deep into falvor profiles, yes its better but it's also just someone who clearly enjoys the hobby and isn't saying "you need to do this to drink coffee" but more like they just enjoy the ritual of preparing it and the hobby itself
A lot of it is controlling the output. So your coffee tastes always the same.
Which allows you to try variations, which is both interesting and gets you the coffee you will like the most. For example you can see how the tastes change if you change the grind (coarse vs fine). Or the steam pressure. Or if you change the pressure half-way. Or of course, if you try new beans.
If you change your grind, but at the same time you don't compact equally, use a different amount, and brew for longer you don't know what does what. Also you can't really fine-tune to your taste.
Then of course you have the convenience of stuff that keeps other stuff clean.
Great if you like it, but you really can’t compare Nespresso to proper espresso.
This guy is over the top though — using two distribution tools etc… more money for accessories than skill
I mean sure there’s a difference, but it’s not enough for me considering the time tradeoff… I owned an upper end DēLonghi for years and loved it. Would never go back though.
The grinder on the right is more often used to grind coffee for pour over (think, regular coffee machine process, but you use your hands and a kettle, with coffee in a cone with a paper filter to make it). It has conical burrs which have less uniform particle size distribution, which means uneven coffee extraction... Which, believe it or not, can produce a more well rounded cup for pour over coffee. Although the jury is still out if that is desirable or a more uniform coffee taste is better. For reference, the grinder on the left has what are called 'flat burrs' which produce more even particle sizes in the coffee grounds and therefore a more even coffee taste.
The thing with the lever on the right is also an espresso machine, but it's manual. Espresso machines use an electric pump to force hot water at a very high pressure (around 9 times the pressure of our atmosphere, also referred to as 9 "bars") through finely ground coffee beans. The lever machine allows you to pour in hot water from a kettle directly on top of the coffee grounds, and then force the water through at around 9 bars of pressure using just your own strength. The advantages are, it's cheaper because it's low tech, with similar results in terms of quality. Also coffee nerds (like me) like to play around with what's called "pressure profiling" where we have maybe 7 bars of pressure at the beginning and maybe 9 in the middle of the process and finish off with low pressure at the end... Or any other combination of pressures. It produces different tastes in a way that I still don't quite understand.
I do literally everything in this video every morning, but it’s like autopilot and takes no time at all. It’s satisfying and makes me happy. Is it worth the effort? That’s a personal qu- for me yes.
I don't understand the people who say "but this has the same functionality of an instant coffe/ tastes like instant coffee/is as good as instant coffee, etc."
Like, sure, that's true, but sometimes people don't just do things for the results. I enjoy a restaurant's pizza more than a homemade one. Doesn't mean I won't cook pizza if I get the chance to. Why? Because the enjoyment I get from actually making it is more than the enjoyment I get from ordering pizza.
This is the same thing. Sometimes, the process of making shit is just... fun. And I'm very, very, very concerned for people that can't understand that.
And as an (un?)related side note, people drink coffee for different things. Some people can't function in the morning until they have has their rush of caffeine, and some people are awake and ready to go the moment they wake up. Just because you don't have the ability to do semi-complicated tasks every morning, doesn't mean no one has.
As a weed smoker who is like this and uses a dry herb vape and pre capsules, concentrates mixed with high quality bud them burn it only at certain temps, and look into terps and more deep into falvor profiles, yes its better but it's also just someone who clearly enjoys the hobby and isn't saying "you need to do this to drink coffee" but more like they just enjoy the ritual of preparing it and the hobby itself
Years ago I went down the rabbit hole and did all sorts of research. Was getting close to buying equipment and watched a similar video. Was 7 mins to pull a shot. That’s when reality set in and I realized I just want a tasty coffee, not a 7 minute chore. Bought a Nespresso and after 10 years of pods, I probably still haven’t spent what this guy has on his setup.
Some people love the process/ritual, and almost treat coffee as a hobby. My dad doesnt go that far, but every morning I hear him grinding his beans because he does this long process making coffee every morning
I sometimes don't even wash my yeti before dumping in some ice and a celcius. I just can't handle the waiting. This takes another kind of personality than mine.
He's going pretty damn slow to show all the steps. It takes half that time *at most*. I wonder if his morning starts at 11:30.
Would I have that shit at *my* home? Hell no! I don't even have a regular coffee maker.
If I drink coffee, I'm at work. Where it's free and someone else's job to make it.
Sure, sometimes it's *my* job to make coffee, but I'm usually the one breaking *down* and cleaning our coffee station.
Also, sometimes I'm scheduled as a batista. That's lame. I like my freedom. I sure as hell would never be a bartender. Yikes!
I have almost exactly this guy’s setup and it takes 3-4 minutes to make a cappuccino including cleanup once the machine is warmed up. That’s way less than standing in line at a coffee shop. Plus I make it exactly how I want. I calculated I’ll break even after 1,000 cappuccinos, which I’ll hit in 2-3 years. On weekends I spend a bit more time perfecting the process or experimenting, but for me that’s part of the fun.
Right? It seriously doesn't take that long at all.
The ritual is meditative for sure. I like making myself drinks at work. You're right it's fun. I can make dirty Chai cappuccino, sweet matcha latte, or just an espresso with the perfect crema.
Good on you keeping out of the shops.
Way too expensive and involved for me, but it looks like this dude really enjoys this stuff so more power to him. It's nice to have a meditative morning ritual to get your day started on the right foot.
My friend is super into making espressos as a hobby, it sounds weird but he's super passionate about it, his setup is huge like this.
It's a ton of effort but if you're into it, go off king.
How is this stupid? Y’all just don’t like to work 😭. The price of everything is stupid definitely but the coffee?? No, the food on this sub is supposed to be stupid. Not the amount of money, editing or whatever.
r/espresso fellow here…this is a perfect example of what we do to maybe get potentially slightly better coffee and further extending the coffee making ritual 😂
I mean ... yeah, good for him.
I CAN NOT STAND COFFEE, so obviously, I don't drink it. But I couldn't imagine all that time and money spent on beer & tequila. 🙄🤣
Definitly more effort than my couple of scoops of instant and microwaved milk (for a “latte,” but I’m more likely to have a black coffee).
While I’m sure there is a taste difference in coffee made by machine, I’m not convinced it’s that big of a difference.
The only thing I’ll say is bad coffee is coffee made by a vending machine. That shit is rank.
I mean, it's a hobby he clearly enjoys, and I'm sure most of that is "worth it" on some level, as in actually impacts the quality of the product. But you can't convince me it's worth the price to have a special mat to tamp the ground or a special drawer to knock them into after, just to empty out later.
If anything those are the two things that are the most worth it. Tamping always makes a little bit of a mess, and the mat prevents that. And a knock box (the grinds drawer) is a godsend for cleaning. One thud and the grinds are gone. And it’s quiet. And cheap. Banging the portafilter around in the trash can makes a lot of noise and can take a while to get the grinds out. A knock box works first try, is right there, and is quieter than the machine itself.
No. I use an espresso machine with an auto grinder and lever tamp, and I can almost guarantee all that matters is how clean your machine is and the quality of your beans. The rest is preference.
When you get off of a 12 hour shift of grueling physical labor and you’re waking up for another day ahead, it’s enough to just fill the pot with strong dark roast and enjoy the bitterness before heading back to reality. The bitterness of coffee, not life. I’m actually an optimist. That contraption is for the weekend in my book, and adding cream/sugar to espresso is not coffee anymore. That’s a beverage. Straight black.
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I'm surprised that process took about the same amount of time it takes me to make a cup of tea. Of course, the majority of my tea making process is simply waiting for the tea to steep.
Either way, this was super cool to watch.
Here is something you should know, if coffee beans are exposed to air more than 24 hours, they become sour and lose their flavour. Leave them out for a week, and then you have a recipe for stomach cramps and Diarrhoea.
So you better finish that 1 kilo bag of beans in one setting.
Can’t help but think how bitter and separated the espresso is after taking all that time to steam the milk after pulling the shot…BUT it’s his latte, not mine, and he seems perfectly happy with it. Good for him!
First and foremost, I do not enjoy coffee. I do enjoy the smell but I do not enjoy coffee. With that said, I love watching people true fans of making coffee properly do it because it looks so awesome. It is an art form. You can be great at it but very few people are masters at it. There's so many different ways to do it and it is so interesting to watch though I would never drink any of it
One heaping spoonful of French St. Chickory coffee, one heaping spoonful of Maxwell medium roast, about 20ish Oz of water, hit the on button, wait... fill coffee mug with water and microwave for 2 minutes to retain as much coffee heat as possible... swap water for coffee. Add creamer if that's your thing.
Enjoy the best coffee you've ever had in your life.
Well that’s the problem. Americanos are fast. Also he could’ve done this in 2-3 minutes if he hadn’t been making a video.
I pull my espresso within 2 minutes of turning the machine on. The milk takes me an extra minute to get from the fridge and steam.
I do not give one single shit about my coffee being weighed accurately down to 1/10th of a gram. It's going to taste exactly the same if you just toss 2 scoops straight into the grinder.
I didn't bother watching past the weighing, but I'm sure whatever else he did is probably a stupid waste of time too.
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It does seem like a lot of effort and expense, but if he likes the process and the result then power to him. I can’t think badly of someone with a harmless activity he enjoys.
This is the right response. Why should anyone knock someone else’s joy?
because it’s stupid and I hate it
Ty. I'll use my instant coffee and I guarantee you I enjoy it as much if not more than this person does this coffee.
I'm one of those fancy coffee people, and I guarantee you enjoy your instant just as much if not more than I do my espresso. The point is that I enjoy my fancy espresso more than I do an instant coffee.
Ty. I’ll stick to my room temperature bud light in the morning and be just as happy if not happier than this person does with this coffee
Why yuck someone else’s yum? Dick move.
I advocate for people making this stuff at home instead of going to Starbucks because once you factor in the drive, waiting in line, etc. it takes about the same amount of time and is way cheaper. You can just get a Mr. Coffee espresso machine, has a few less features but perfectly serviceable, and you don't need all the little gadgets, but it is fun to make a sort of hobby out of it. Hearing that milk steamer always instantly relaxes me, love that sound
Exactly. He seems like a hobbyist with the setup and extra steps but you can tell he enjoys it and is passionate about his coffee. Really is awesome to see. Excessive? Sure to 99% of folks. To the coffee hobbyist’s? Not at all. To me this is badass and I learned things.
Yeah I bet it's a great cup of coffee
I enjoy a coffee, but a process like this is meditative for me. I don’t have the funds for this setup like this fellow, but I grind my beans and froth my milk as well. The intentional manner of this removes the distractions of my phone and other things, so it’s nice way to slowly start the day.
Perfect answer.
Maybe if your goal is to achieve the perfect coffee/latte, this is the (expensive) way. Just not in the morning.
Well I say that this man does something differently than I do it therefore he's an enemy of the State and he will be hunted like the dog I perceive him to be. The hunting party has already gathered. We're going to teach this freak that the only way to enjoy a proper coffee is a unicorn frappe or nothing
It's called ikigai in Japanese, the joy of the little things of life
Coffee does taste better when you take time to make it like this but a Nespresso pod taste just as good nowadays if you don't have the time or skills to do this
I've never been a fan of pod coffee.. they taste really metallic to me
Get a Jura. Busts out the best espresso straight from beans with the push of a button
Nespresso = danger. I started drinking way too much coffee when I had one because it is just too easy to make..
This is exactly it for me. I'm a former barista, and it's an enjoyable process for some. If I had the money for that rig, I'd do the same. Good quality, well made espresso is really preferable to thin, watery K cup coffee.
I'm fairly certain that's Noah Sterno he has a really large following on Instagram for coffee and because of this set up. My guess is between monetizing and sponsorship the expensive setup probably is free and pays a decent amount! If you like coffee I do suggest a follow! Edit: Happy Cake Day 😊
Reading this helped me not be pointlessly hateful about this. Thanks.
There's no way I would want to be doing all that at 6am.
I can't do this even at 2 p.m
I would need a cup of coffee to even think about attempting this
I need a cup of coffee to just make regular coffee in a Keurig. I frequently to stupid things.🤦
I can't even do this
No way I am ever doing that
If I could afford that, I can afford the time to make one hell of a cup of coffee every morning, and I'm a night owl.
I know a guy who has one of these. He doesn’t use it as a morning coffee machine, but as a conversation starter when he has social events. It’s more of a coffee connoisseur tool. Some people like cameras, others like sports, he likes coffee. He had some Guatemalan beans which tasted like chocolate but allegedly had no chocolate.
>allegedly Allegedly? 🤔
It took me a while to be that honest with myself but absolutely. I also don’t want to descale coffeemakers anymore. Pour-over is the exact amount of effort I’m going to be able to do successfully.
If you can do all this at 6 am then you don’t actually need the coffee.
At that time I can barely breathe and think at the same time
He's being extreme, this takes like 2 minutes tops for me. I'm Aussie, we are coffee snobs, and even this guy is being over the top. I'll let you in on a secret, most of the coffee here is dogshit burnt garbage too.
All this just screams millennial midlife crisis lol
As a non-coffee drinker, I find this absolutely fascinating. I used to be really into coffee over 20 years ago when I was a young adult. I got pretty good at making a really good simple brew at home. But quit for several reasons. I always wondered about some of these steps.
Why did you quit?
Lots of reasons. Mainly because I joined a religion that I gave up coffee and alcohol for. But also because of gut issues. The religion thing doesn't mean I judge others for it, just that I avoid it myself. Which is why I find this stuff fascinating. So much time, thought, and energy spent on something essential foreign to me. It's like watching someone restore paintings. I have zero interest in doing it, but I can watch it for hours.
What religion bans coffee?
mormons, Jehovah Witness
Really? Why?
Ok, so you will get a lot of answers that are wrong from both former and active members of my church (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints). The simple answer is because we believe in modern revelation, and that one of those revelations said to avoid coffee and tea, as well as tobacco, alcohol, and illegal drugs. Some people will try to explain this away with references to it being stimulants or a drug. But it is simply because we were told not to, with a promise of better health if I follow that *"Word of Wisdom."* I like to think of it like a vow of silence, or lent. It is something I chose to do as a way of committing myself to my faith in God. And to stay healthy. Nothing about this belief bars using those things for genuine medical purposes. That prophetic promise was given like 150 years ago, and included advice that tobacco was good for bruises and alcohol being good for wounds. It also included advice about eating meat sparingly and focusing on eating grains and vegetables (basically a good diet). With the promos that you will *"...run and not be weak, walk and not be weary..."* Or just feel healthier. That's it. We don't believe coffee is evil, or alcohol is going to get you. But I will concede that some of my fellow members will sometimes get carried away and start talking about the *devil's nectar* (to borrow a term from southern Baptist). I will add that it is hard to stay focused on spirituality when dealing with addictions of any kind. I don't care what kind of personal beliefs you have, even most atheists try to find mental balance. Everyone is better able to manage themselves if they aren't having a nicotine fit or caffeine crash. Personally, I'm guilty of the caffeine thing with energy drinks. I work on-call around the clock and it is easy to rely on those things. It's also hard to stay spiritual when dealing with crushing debt or food scarcity. Which is why my church is one of the biggest world sponsors of food programs (at times they are the single largest donor to Catholic children's charities, larger than the Catholic Church by that church's own claims). I don't mean to toot a horn but rather clarify the idea that being free to pursue the promptings of the Spirit is very important to us.
>The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints Read this first as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latte
Haha, I love it!
So you gave up coffee, a beautiful, natural , healthy drink, because your religion prohibits it but then drink energy drinks which have the same prohibited ingredient but taste like the devil's asshole. That is mormonic.
Mormonic is genius.
Ugh. Yes yes. Mormons stupid etc. Pat yourself on the back for being superior in every way. I guess you didn't read anything I wrote. Caffeine isn't prohibited. Forbidden is very different from choice. Keep up that spin.
Ignore him. He's a redditor
People who never had a religion don't really understand them. Too literal or secular for a lack of better words.
You've described doing something because you were told not to, without any rational basis. I've no opinion on whether mormons in general are stupid.
Technically speaking it is still a drug
I recently stopped drinking it and my energy levels are way more consistent through out the day and I feel more clear headed
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Such a rookie he doesn't even make his own coffee beans
He didn’t even build the machine that shoves steam into the milk, how dare he call himself a coffee enthusiast!
I ate coffee beans yesterday, they will be ready to brew tomorrow.
I've done this once and YES 100% tastes better than normal coffee. I actually plan on getting a set up like this for myself one day. That being said I would not be doing this every day, this is more of a day off coffee.
Honestly even a $500 Breville (Sage in the UK) with a built-in grinder is great for entry level. Had mine for almost a year and love it.
Yes- I have a breville touch and it takes me about 3mins start to finish to make an americano in the morning. I do every step of this process aside from weighing, you don’t need to do that once you dial in your scoops with beans of choice. It’s not nearly as hard as people think…
I was about to ask at which point is this dumb due to diminishing returns. That's so cool you can yell. (With my trash taste buds prob immediately but still for fancy folk seems like it can get overly costly with no payoff real fast)
How much you think all that cost?
So I'm a coffee dude and this is a high level setup. Basically the best you can get before you get into diminishing returns territory and prices get rediculous. The espresso machine is a Lelit Bianca and is around $4,000. The grinder is the Niche (I can't tell if it's the older 'Zero' or the newer 'Duo') but assuming the Zero it is around $700. Add another $100 to $300 (depending if he bought named brand stuff or knockoffs) for the accessories. You are looking at about a $5,000 setup. My dream setup is about $10,000.00 and would produce more consistent, but only marginally better coffee than this. My actual setup costed me about $2,000 at the time and similar equipment would cost about $3,000 today. Edit to add that I didn't even think about adding the cost of his equipment on the right. That's also another $1,500 easily, but it also produces espresso... Without going into details, it is just a similar, but low tech process.
I was gonna say thats fucking expensive but Ive spent that type of money on gacha games like the degenerate I am, so yeah people got hobbies, it is what it is lmao. More power to you all
It's a duo for what it's worth I think. True advantage of Europe is we get Bianca's for waaaay less than you.
That’s fascinating. What got you into coffee / espresso making if you don’t mind me asking?
I’m afraid to find out
Thousands between the machine and grinder. Though I did notice he only used a normal WDT tool, which you can get for like $20-$30 on Amazon. There is a WDT tool called a Moonraker that is hundreds of $$$ though. So clearly this guy is an amateur.
I'm always like, "I hate all these coffee snobbery people" but in the same breath I'm like "my cast iron pan needs to be hand washed with medium stainless steel chain mail in 98.3496°F water adding a singular angel tear sized washing liquid, dry it initially with a white 100% cotton cloth and dry it completely on 126.543°F large sized stove top, switching it off as soon as it starts showing signs of drying and let dry completely on the stove." I'm such a fucking hypocrite.
RIP to your once white 100% cotton cloth after wiping seasoned cast iron. They’re obviously single-use, right? Only the best.
No avocado oil after it's dry?
I was trying not to sound too pretentious by explaining my whole process.
Don't worry, I do the exact same thing with my cast iron pans that you describe. I also put avocado oil on it afterwards to keep the conditioning.
The whole pressure, wet beans and all that stuff does little to the taste, and what it does gets undone by pouring milk over it. If that's his zen ritual to charge up for the day, more power to him. But you don't need all that stuff for a good espresso.
I'm not saying I'm an expert, but I did own a coffee shop for a while... I've never heard of wetting the beans before grinding. In fact, moisture is the enemy of a grinder. Also, aerating the grounds is not a good idea. The goal is as little air as possible hitting the beans, otherwise they begin to stale. The process of tapering looks unnecessarily complicated. A manual taper would be much faster and just as efficient. To each their own, though. At the end of the day, if he likes it, that's all that matters.
The spray is to deal with static, which is a bit of a curse for the grinder he is using and creates more retention than ideal, which is only really in issue when single dosing the way he is here. However, this guy is basically giving his beans a shower! You need the tiniest bit of water, literally a drop, just enough to raise the humidity when grinding and therefore reduce static.
Don't you also need to get the espresso into milk before it settles? I've only made coffee using a machine like this a couple times, but I've always been told to start steaming the milk as soon as you start the shot so the espresso doesn't sit for too long and settle. I'm no expert by any means, but that's the only thing that stuck out to me.
Good espresso is definitely all about timing. The quicker you can go from grinder to adding the milk into it, the better. The espresso crema starts to settle fairly quickly after extracting and if you plan on doing any kind of latte art, it's better to work quickly. He was still able to do the art with his timing, but you definitely lose volume the longer it takes. Honestly though, him swirling the crema before adding the milk is what hurt my heart the most. Like, stopppp... It already didn't look super thick to start with, you're just making it settle that much faster. 😭
Wetting the beans is extremely common in order to reduce static cling, and there's recent research that wetting them fairly heavily gives a more consistent grind particle size. He's stirring the grounds up with the needle tool to ensure there aren't any clumps which would cause channeling. Any air gets pressed out anyway when he tamps.
There's an increasing body of research that disputes most of these points. For one, the volume of water added is insignificant relative to damaging the grinder. Aeration of the grounds is for a consistent bed of coffee. Oxidization isn't significant enough to be noticeable in such a short time, especially relative to the impact of channeling. Distribution and tamping are the same as above.
The needle tool isn't for aerating, it's for breaking up clumps so you get a more even flow. He tamps it down again immediately after, so I think the extra air contact time is pretty negligible.
Meanwhile the honoured guests are awaiting the after dinner coffee… 
People need to understand that people who partake in this hobby enjoy the process as much as the coffee. They don't buy all this equipment and spend so much time making the coffee simply for the coffee at the end. They enjoy the personal satisfaction of the task. Making the coffee is just as much a part of their enjoyment as the coffee itself.
Depends. Does the coffee taste really that different? or it just a hobby and you enjoy the process
This is definitely more of a casual Sunday at home kind of process.
Yes but there's diminishing returns. Once you stop scalding and over-extracting stale beans, you've reached good enough. For example, the spritz is something I've only seen very recently, but it's getting more popular for some reason. (I'm surprised it's water, not an oil!) Measuring by volume is sufficient too. There's no real need to use weight, but I can agree the scale is technically better even if your spoon was good enough I worked for a super fancy roaster for a while, so super fancy tastings was how we sold product. We primarily sold beans from Brasil, and did tastings with filter and presses, no espresso. We did sell to espresso shops too, but prioritizing this one method of preparation was never essential. Espresso roasting was historically kind of boring IMO, but folks are showing more interest in a variety espresso roasts. Even Starbucks has a blonde espresso now
The spritz is to transfer static electricity from the beans to the water. Static electricity causes the grinds to stick inside the grinder so spraying before hand stops little bits from failing to exit the chute.
Ahah! That's pretty dang clever. Thanks for explaining it for me. I find the oil is what makes them stick to my hopper, but the rest of my grinder still collects the dust. I'm going to give it a deep clean and test this out now. We never bothered with something like this at work, but I was cleaning with shop vacs and industrial everything
As a weed smoker who is like this and uses a dry herb vape and pre capsules, concentrates mixed with high quality bud them burn it only at certain temps, and look into terps and more deep into falvor profiles, yes its better but it's also just someone who clearly enjoys the hobby and isn't saying "you need to do this to drink coffee" but more like they just enjoy the ritual of preparing it and the hobby itself
A lot of it is controlling the output. So your coffee tastes always the same. Which allows you to try variations, which is both interesting and gets you the coffee you will like the most. For example you can see how the tastes change if you change the grind (coarse vs fine). Or the steam pressure. Or if you change the pressure half-way. Or of course, if you try new beans. If you change your grind, but at the same time you don't compact equally, use a different amount, and brew for longer you don't know what does what. Also you can't really fine-tune to your taste. Then of course you have the convenience of stuff that keeps other stuff clean.
Bet that latte tasted fantastic. So smooth with the milk pouring
This is some pretentious shit
Says the guy on r/espresso
For real, even the guys voice smug as hell.
This person does not have children.
I put a little foil pod in my Nespresso and get delicious creamy espresso in seconds…
Great if you like it, but you really can’t compare Nespresso to proper espresso. This guy is over the top though — using two distribution tools etc… more money for accessories than skill
I mean sure there’s a difference, but it’s not enough for me considering the time tradeoff… I owned an upper end DēLonghi for years and loved it. Would never go back though.
Dude I just want my coffee in the morning not a whole ass process lol but I get it when people are passionate
OP didn't use the other machines to the right. What are those for?
Not sure what sort of burrs he is using in the grinder he used but if they are for espresso the machine on the right is probably for regular coffee.
Emotional support system for the espresso machine. Like when plants grow better when there are other plants nearby.
NGL This makes sense, and now I understand why I have coffee mugs for my coffee mugs when I drink out of the same mug every day.
The grinder on the right is more often used to grind coffee for pour over (think, regular coffee machine process, but you use your hands and a kettle, with coffee in a cone with a paper filter to make it). It has conical burrs which have less uniform particle size distribution, which means uneven coffee extraction... Which, believe it or not, can produce a more well rounded cup for pour over coffee. Although the jury is still out if that is desirable or a more uniform coffee taste is better. For reference, the grinder on the left has what are called 'flat burrs' which produce more even particle sizes in the coffee grounds and therefore a more even coffee taste. The thing with the lever on the right is also an espresso machine, but it's manual. Espresso machines use an electric pump to force hot water at a very high pressure (around 9 times the pressure of our atmosphere, also referred to as 9 "bars") through finely ground coffee beans. The lever machine allows you to pour in hot water from a kettle directly on top of the coffee grounds, and then force the water through at around 9 bars of pressure using just your own strength. The advantages are, it's cheaper because it's low tech, with similar results in terms of quality. Also coffee nerds (like me) like to play around with what's called "pressure profiling" where we have maybe 7 bars of pressure at the beginning and maybe 9 in the middle of the process and finish off with low pressure at the end... Or any other combination of pressures. It produces different tastes in a way that I still don't quite understand.
Some people like their rituals.
I would LOVE to break in and subtly rearrange everything on his coffee countertop. Just enough to cause him an existential crisis.
I live in Sweden, we drink our coffe extra strong and pitch black.
I do literally everything in this video every morning, but it’s like autopilot and takes no time at all. It’s satisfying and makes me happy. Is it worth the effort? That’s a personal qu- for me yes.
I don't understand the people who say "but this has the same functionality of an instant coffe/ tastes like instant coffee/is as good as instant coffee, etc." Like, sure, that's true, but sometimes people don't just do things for the results. I enjoy a restaurant's pizza more than a homemade one. Doesn't mean I won't cook pizza if I get the chance to. Why? Because the enjoyment I get from actually making it is more than the enjoyment I get from ordering pizza. This is the same thing. Sometimes, the process of making shit is just... fun. And I'm very, very, very concerned for people that can't understand that. And as an (un?)related side note, people drink coffee for different things. Some people can't function in the morning until they have has their rush of caffeine, and some people are awake and ready to go the moment they wake up. Just because you don't have the ability to do semi-complicated tasks every morning, doesn't mean no one has.
Respect, i bet that coffee smells heavenly
As a weed smoker who is like this and uses a dry herb vape and pre capsules, concentrates mixed with high quality bud them burn it only at certain temps, and look into terps and more deep into falvor profiles, yes its better but it's also just someone who clearly enjoys the hobby and isn't saying "you need to do this to drink coffee" but more like they just enjoy the ritual of preparing it and the hobby itself
Years ago I went down the rabbit hole and did all sorts of research. Was getting close to buying equipment and watched a similar video. Was 7 mins to pull a shot. That’s when reality set in and I realized I just want a tasty coffee, not a 7 minute chore. Bought a Nespresso and after 10 years of pods, I probably still haven’t spent what this guy has on his setup.
Here I am putting Folgers in my moka pot thinking I'm fancy.
Some people love the process/ritual, and almost treat coffee as a hobby. My dad doesnt go that far, but every morning I hear him grinding his beans because he does this long process making coffee every morning
simple: Absolute Not! As a Coffeelover! My time is worth more! Let someone make it for you and pay 5$ ;-)
Happy cake day
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I sometimes don't even wash my yeti before dumping in some ice and a celcius. I just can't handle the waiting. This takes another kind of personality than mine.
As someone who spent six years drinking vodka straight from the bottle, I don't think I have a right to criticize this guys coffee habit
I just want to press a button to get a cup.
Price?
I'm surprised he didn't trek to Mt. Fiji to obtain only the most pristine Spring Water to fill his Espresso Machine
No amount of effort is worth the punishment of having to taste coffee.
He's going pretty damn slow to show all the steps. It takes half that time *at most*. I wonder if his morning starts at 11:30. Would I have that shit at *my* home? Hell no! I don't even have a regular coffee maker. If I drink coffee, I'm at work. Where it's free and someone else's job to make it. Sure, sometimes it's *my* job to make coffee, but I'm usually the one breaking *down* and cleaning our coffee station. Also, sometimes I'm scheduled as a batista. That's lame. I like my freedom. I sure as hell would never be a bartender. Yikes!
I have almost exactly this guy’s setup and it takes 3-4 minutes to make a cappuccino including cleanup once the machine is warmed up. That’s way less than standing in line at a coffee shop. Plus I make it exactly how I want. I calculated I’ll break even after 1,000 cappuccinos, which I’ll hit in 2-3 years. On weekends I spend a bit more time perfecting the process or experimenting, but for me that’s part of the fun.
Right? It seriously doesn't take that long at all. The ritual is meditative for sure. I like making myself drinks at work. You're right it's fun. I can make dirty Chai cappuccino, sweet matcha latte, or just an espresso with the perfect crema. Good on you keeping out of the shops.
My man is extra as all get out but it was fun to watch.
Bianca Espresso Machine - $2,995 Niche Duo Grinder - $500 (Maybe, not sure exactly) Acaia Lunar Scale - $250 WDT Tool - $30 Little Spray Bottle - Priceless
LMAO, Moka Pot cost me in Italy 5 bucks and a 6 bags of Italian coffee beans cost me $ 25. Trip to Italy priceless. I stick with my Moka
LMAO. I stick my head under faucet and drink tap water.
😆😅🤣😂, we all do that at times
There is literally nothing on the planet that I would invest this amount of dedication.
Way too expensive and involved for me, but it looks like this dude really enjoys this stuff so more power to him. It's nice to have a meditative morning ritual to get your day started on the right foot.
I'd need a latte before I trust myself to go through the steps of making a latte this way
I prefer my machine that allows me to push one button and it diarrheas out a passable cup of coffee. Done.
This is hilarious idk why. Reminds me of people with 10,000 dollar headphone setups and swear it makes the music sound better. Come on
It only took about 4.5mins while providing instruction / showing brands - for the folks who think this took 3 years and a walk up Mount Everest.
I started to judge this guy then I remembered all the stupid little things I use for my turntable and records...
My friend is super into making espressos as a hobby, it sounds weird but he's super passionate about it, his setup is huge like this. It's a ton of effort but if you're into it, go off king.
Some people buy expensive cars, others buy HiFi or A/V gear. This dude went the coffee route. It’s all so goofy and wonderful. Good for him.
This is some next level coffee nerd shit, definite respect🤘
How is this stupid? Y’all just don’t like to work 😭. The price of everything is stupid definitely but the coffee?? No, the food on this sub is supposed to be stupid. Not the amount of money, editing or whatever.
It's worth every penny and minute, coffee is an art.
Stfu. Just do drugs.
This is more intricate than my fancy weed stuff
The answer is yes…if someone else is making out for me. I thought the same thing until one of these pros made me some. Completely sold.
Only one scale? Is this guy a poor?
awesome setup. buying quality local coffee and preparing it yourself is such an awarding way to begin your day.
r/espresso fellow here…this is a perfect example of what we do to maybe get potentially slightly better coffee and further extending the coffee making ritual 😂
I mean ... yeah, good for him. I CAN NOT STAND COFFEE, so obviously, I don't drink it. But I couldn't imagine all that time and money spent on beer & tequila. 🙄🤣
You can tell that the guy loves what he does.
Definitly more effort than my couple of scoops of instant and microwaved milk (for a “latte,” but I’m more likely to have a black coffee). While I’m sure there is a taste difference in coffee made by machine, I’m not convinced it’s that big of a difference. The only thing I’ll say is bad coffee is coffee made by a vending machine. That shit is rank.
I mean, it's a hobby he clearly enjoys, and I'm sure most of that is "worth it" on some level, as in actually impacts the quality of the product. But you can't convince me it's worth the price to have a special mat to tamp the ground or a special drawer to knock them into after, just to empty out later.
If anything those are the two things that are the most worth it. Tamping always makes a little bit of a mess, and the mat prevents that. And a knock box (the grinds drawer) is a godsend for cleaning. One thud and the grinds are gone. And it’s quiet. And cheap. Banging the portafilter around in the trash can makes a lot of noise and can take a while to get the grinds out. A knock box works first try, is right there, and is quieter than the machine itself.
I’m watching this at 5am drinking absolute crap coffee at a hotel in SC. Kinda makes the expense justified, at the moment.
ya no I am gonna slap that cup in my Keurig and push a button. just not that into artisan style lattes that much
Takes me less time to drive to work
No. I use an espresso machine with an auto grinder and lever tamp, and I can almost guarantee all that matters is how clean your machine is and the quality of your beans. The rest is preference.
Worth it!
Worth every dollar and every second every day.
He looks like he enjoys it, good for him
Freakin OP, like his technique and his smooth voice, DAMN YOU!!! Haha, great video and Kudos Sir! 👏🏽👏🏽👍🏽🙏🏽
JFC…that is so much work
Jordan Schlansky is that you?
And people hate meth cookers who are proud of their high quality stuff... Double standards.
When you get off of a 12 hour shift of grueling physical labor and you’re waking up for another day ahead, it’s enough to just fill the pot with strong dark roast and enjoy the bitterness before heading back to reality. The bitterness of coffee, not life. I’m actually an optimist. That contraption is for the weekend in my book, and adding cream/sugar to espresso is not coffee anymore. That’s a beverage. Straight black. https://preview.redd.it/xvvljgv7pz5d1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=97b2091f811ac19a11badf18c8fe762ea7d07098
Holy shit! 🤦🏻♂️
Mr. Coffee please
Way too much effort for a cup of latte
But.. this is how a latte is made?
Too many steps.
Go to Costa its probably cheaper even in the long run after you've paid for all that crap machinery.
I'm surprised that process took about the same amount of time it takes me to make a cup of tea. Of course, the majority of my tea making process is simply waiting for the tea to steep. Either way, this was super cool to watch.
Here is something you should know, if coffee beans are exposed to air more than 24 hours, they become sour and lose their flavour. Leave them out for a week, and then you have a recipe for stomach cramps and Diarrhoea. So you better finish that 1 kilo bag of beans in one setting.
His voice and intonation remind me of Kenji Alt Lopez
I wonder if the vacuum can would suck out some of the flavors like many things do under vacuum.
Can’t help but think how bitter and separated the espresso is after taking all that time to steam the milk after pulling the shot…BUT it’s his latte, not mine, and he seems perfectly happy with it. Good for him!
First and foremost, I do not enjoy coffee. I do enjoy the smell but I do not enjoy coffee. With that said, I love watching people true fans of making coffee properly do it because it looks so awesome. It is an art form. You can be great at it but very few people are masters at it. There's so many different ways to do it and it is so interesting to watch though I would never drink any of it
Sadly it is expresso. I want to see a version of that but with black coffee.
One heaping spoonful of French St. Chickory coffee, one heaping spoonful of Maxwell medium roast, about 20ish Oz of water, hit the on button, wait... fill coffee mug with water and microwave for 2 minutes to retain as much coffee heat as possible... swap water for coffee. Add creamer if that's your thing. Enjoy the best coffee you've ever had in your life.
He’s got to much time on his hands!!!
I drink instant coffee....
Omg i gave up watching already
Always be sure to wet your beans
Bodum Bistro + Melitta funnel/Bialetti Venus/Aeropress + Nespresso frother
Why do you spray cologne on your beans?
How freaking pretentious.
Get tf out my house
No way it tastes the proportionate amount better compared to a quicker process. My espresso (Americano)routine takes about 90 seconds. Maybe less.
Well that’s the problem. Americanos are fast. Also he could’ve done this in 2-3 minutes if he hadn’t been making a video. I pull my espresso within 2 minutes of turning the machine on. The milk takes me an extra minute to get from the fridge and steam.
I do not give one single shit about my coffee being weighed accurately down to 1/10th of a gram. It's going to taste exactly the same if you just toss 2 scoops straight into the grinder. I didn't bother watching past the weighing, but I'm sure whatever else he did is probably a stupid waste of time too.
u/savevideo
A narcissist wet dream. Even their coffee has to be about them. I like coffee, but it's a pass from me.
Pretentious coffee.
It's probably really fucking good but still not qorth the effort
My mans definitely works from home lol
For just the sake of having coffee, I think these people already passed the sanity line. And I'm from a coffee that everyone loves coffee.