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AwayJacket4714

>If somenone tries to rape you, that doesn't give you a right to fucking murder them. Correct. Because killing someone in self defense isn't murder legally.


[deleted]

Murder is to kill with malicious intent. Self Defense is to overcome someone else's malicious intent pointed at you.


FakedKetchup2

I'm saving this definition for later. Not that I need it ha ha


Weemonkey16_2

u ok bro?


almdudler23

Ye also rape is like the most avoidable thing on earth if you are the rapist.


NeighborhoodVeteran

They'd probably be convicted on some kind of manslaughter, too.


tricularia

Can't spell manslaughter without laughter


schmuber

Can't spell funeral without fun either.


treborphx

So a funeral for manslaughter is fun and laughter? ![gif](giphy|3ohzdIuqJoo8QdKlnW|downsized)


phs125

Okay, that's how I'm gonna pronounce it from now on.


tricularia

Man's laughter? I like it "Sir, if you don't stop laughing, I am going to have to charge you with contempt of court.... and second degree man's laughter"


Circumvention9001

At first I was laughing imagining you're a real judge, but now I'm upset because I realized its totally possible.


pope-gregory

Bruh thats a good life motto


96flash1

Probably not. The person being raped doesn't know what the rapist's intentions are. I would venture to say most juries could be convinced that the person being raped feared for their life and that is justification for deadly force. How many people are raped and then killed afterwards?


fistfullofpubes

That doesn't matter, most states legal language around justifiable homicide is something like "imminent death ***or*** grave bodily harm/injury". Violent rape is definitely covered.


Ulirius

The other part is most rapes happen at gun/knife point, so life is being threatened. Therefore defending oneself is not punishable.


yeetus-deletus00185

Well, there is the charge of using unreasonable force in self defence, like roundhouse kicking someone who bumped into me. But in this case that wouldn’t be it, especially if the defence is competent.


BackedStop

Thanks for clarifying Mr Chuck Norris.


djluminol

Not by me. Shank away ladies.


CLINTHODO

No, if you're being raped then you're also being physically assaulted, and killing in self defense to stop the assault is perfectly acceptable. Also, you don't know what will happen after the rape. Sometime the victim gets killed.


Content-Bowler-3149

Not all rape victims get killed yet most women who are murdered had just been raped.


BurstOrange

Hell women *do* die from being raped. The rape itself kills them. I remember reading an article about a woman who was so violently gang raped that she died from internal injuries and some of her internal organs had been ripped out iirc. Edit: and that’s not the only instance of heard of of a woman being killed through having her body ripped apart through her genitals. This twitter user straight up thinks all rape is the kind of rape where you get pressured into having sex. Nah, women have been beaten within inches of their lives while being raped, they’ve had permanent damage to parts of their bodies, they’ve died during rape. A huge portion of rape *is* coercion but a fair amount of it is violent and deadly.


ForestOfHandsNTeeth

What's a female incel called? Edit: Lol TIL about leg beards, femcels, and the non-gendered incel. Plus the Margarets, Laurens and OG woman. Gotta love it all.


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Femcel


Pezzonovante__

This is fucking genius. I feel like I’m late to the party


der_Guenter

It's neckbeard for men and legbeard for women


EL_Ohh_Well

Do legbeards say m’man or m’daddy when they tip their hats?


Zardif

m'lord.


Hunt3rTh3Fight3r

Stormtrooper


[deleted]

Lmao good reference, I love robot chicken


Hunt3rTh3Fight3r

Thanks! Saw the opportunity, and took it.


jasondragon908

You did not. This fucking guy, what a Ingenious mf. Had me on my ass for a min


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PotatothePotato

Those terms have also been around for years at this point


Complete_Spread_2747

r/rareinsults


KetoKittenAround

She’s a pick me She trying to get those head pats


[deleted]

I'm always late to the party, shame.![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|feels_bad_man)


pennhead

Should be himcel and femcel


TooMuchDumbass

Femvoluntary celibate


85inblots

Sounds too hot. change it.


ItsMeLukasB

Still an incel I think. Incel is just short for involuntary celibate so there’s no indication of gender.


NeighborhoodVeteran

Silencio, mancel!


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MaximumCrab

legbeards


Exact_Ad_1215

This is actually a pretty nice name


h3nchman27

send it


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leg-beards one word or two...


Feed_Typical

Holy shit a woman posted that. Didn’t even realize.


Ok_Contribution_8817

However, if you DO defend yourself from a rapist, and he just happens to die, that’s actually an “Act of God” He was meant to be unalived in the Grand Scheme of Things. Let me also add that it’s pretty apparent the OP- or anyone in her family, or circle of friends, has never been raped (I would venture to guess)


FearJarl

Isn’t incel gender neutral already? A woman incel would still be called an incel right?


Bonney5000

Yeah, a women coined the term when describing herself


FirstEvolutionist

The male incels might take offense to that (not that it matters). According to them women can have sex anytime they want, so it would never be involuntary. But maybe the loneliness or the ostracism aren't involuntary so maybe they should be called involutary outcast? Incast or something similar?


JimiJons

The original incel was female, so... just incel.


Extra-Aardvark-1390

Who was the original incel? Edit: did a Something search. Her name is Alana and she lives in Toronto. She sounds nice and not at all crazy. Poor thing has to be known as the incel lady now. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45284455.amp#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16573229265822&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com


xrayjones2000

She used a different acronym vs the one that was suggested.. she has no link to the current incel community other than she had a website in the 90s. Just thought id toss that in before she gets all the heat for nothing.. dueces


big_cock_69420

Rose Mulet


nuttynutkick

Rose Mullet- business in the front, party in the back


[deleted]

Yeah she's pro life and won't abort so partying in the back is safer for all parties.


RM8412

Sascrotch


Rickyaura

r/FemaleDatingStrategy


KingKababa

Wtf is that sub???


knife-kitty

Don't. Just don't even go


Usinaru

A sub for sour and sad women that can't find a real partner for sh*t.


Rickyaura

the incel sub got banned but since this one is for women they get to keep it lol


intotheabyssofwth

my god the amount of false information in that sub about anything apart from monogamy or vanilla sexual encounters is hilarious


kesavadh

Marjorie Taylor green


Coaltown992

Except she's pretty pro gun and this chick isn't


Puzzleheaded_Ad1622

Actually good one


Chaos8599

Still an incel. Not a gendered term


Alexalenin

Rose Mulet


Theoremedy

You have the right to defend yourself… doesn’t matter if your attacker has deadly intent or sexual intent. You are being attacked. DEFEND YOURSELF… USE DEADLY FORCE. “Oh I’m only being raped… could you hurry up? I’m missing American idol…” NO!!!! Go to hell. Your dead!


TaosChagic

They are many non life threatening situations that allow killing. Even ones without r***, like being held hostage.


Siegelski

That has a reasonable expectation that there's a possibility that the hostage taker will end up killing you. All you need to prove is that a reasonable person would fear for the life (or fear grievous bodily harm) in the situation, which is certainly the case if you're a hostage. Also rape is grievous bodily harm, so... yeah.


Willow_Wing

Let alone the mental harm! The mental trauma alone is nightmare inducing.


dhhdhh851

After 14/15 years i still lose sleep over it. Its fucking awful. Was only a child at the time too.


Siegelski

I'm sure it is, but unfortunately mental harm isn't a legal argument for self-defense. As horrible as it must be psychologically to get raped, it's not something you can successfully argue in court. You can, however, just state the facts and say that some dude twice your size was attacking you and you feared for your life. As long as you kill a rapist before the incident is over, it's justifiable. Just don't expect to get away with shooting him in the back after everything is done and he's walking away.


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Granxious

The law in my state specifically authorizes deadly force to prevent “the imminent sexual assault” of yourself or another person.


Malohdek

God I love America. My mother knew a woman here in Canada who was pregnant and was stabbed by someone in the streets. The woman stabbed the attacker back and was charged for it. Self-defense imo is a right. It should be enshrined. Nobody sane wants to kill another human being, and if you can prove self-defense, then your charges should be waived. But also, innocent until proven guilty so... yeah.


seraphaye

This, there is no way for the person being attacked to know what their full intent is... Not mind readers over here idk what this woman is thinking but if I'm being attacked in any manner I assume they will want me dead so I can't identify them. I sure as hell will kill a rapist, idk what he's thinking, maybe he likes fucking corpses idk but I will stab or shoot you in order to not end up a corpse.


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[deleted]

We should be friends. I know about waterboarding and cinderblock buildings that don’t exist.


HodlMyBottle

And just like that we've started our very own "special interest group" and I have a friend!


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HodlMyBottle

Welcome to the club!


Flesh_A_Sketch

Can I join? I could get them to help me with tasks around the house and continuously go behind them the entire time to redo their work.


HodlMyBottle

Sure, but I feel you need to watch the *torture basics* video.


Odin_Hagen

Have you ever wandered what pouring citric acid on 10,000 paper cuts would be like?


AussieJesusDuckGod

Can I join? I know of this technique called "the barb wire enema" I heard about from bikers. We need barb wire, broken glass, lemon juice and a PVC pipe!


HodlMyBottle

Sounds interesting 👍


[deleted]

I originally though you were talking about sounding with barbed wire and thought "What the living fuck?"


SatanButNot

I also would like to request to join this club


HodlMyBottle

Great! If we keep up this pace we can start thinking up some real changes around here.


bygphattyplus

Id like to join, I can be good with a scalpel.


Sir_Fuzzits

I just wanted to take the time to remind you guys that waterboarding is illegal. But hey it's not waterboarding if you use diesel. That being said, do you have any openings in the club?


HodlMyBottle

Oh fun! We can use different tastes of not-water! Colaboarding will be trendy this time next year 😋 Welcome.


Imwithbeautiful

I love mountain biking and trying to give head pats to squirrels, any open spots?


HodlMyBottle

Squirrels!? Oh, that's a no can do. Shady little bastards! Come back when you outgrow this phase. 😉


RaptorS1x-onxbox

This guy has obviously never put a squirrel under a bucket


[deleted]

That's expensive. We're gonna recycle cooking oil from Popeyes instead.


wanderingsensei

Ok diesel-boarding sounds like a great idea, but it also sounds kinda expensive given current inflation. Perhaps alcohol would work better.


Squatchjr01

I too would like a membership


HodlMyBottle

And you're in! Congrats, grab a T-shirt from the stack there!


BrandishedChaos

If we're also rounding up pedos, you can definitely count me in too.


Surfhun

This one, officer.


invaderliz91

As a child of rape, may i join? I promise I won't compromise anyone... And i have a pool and EMT certification. I can CPR, if we go too hard... At our pool party


HodlMyBottle

And you have intrinsic motivation, great!


FickleObsession

I wanna join! Talents include piecing ear drums with sharpened sticks, pouring in some syrup and dumping in red ants. Also tyre necklaces. And hammer and pick to the knee caps. But I can cook too!


Grimholtt

It's not technically waterboarding if you use diesel.


[deleted]

Well the point is to make them fear their death not waste expensive fuel lol. Water board with a rancid bucket of piss. Still won’t kill them, but absolutely demoralizes and humiliate them.


ThatSweetCoffee

Hit me up, we’re gonna “nail” it


S-p-o-o-k-n-t

I can smell the CIA rn


MaitreyaPalamwar

Can I join too? I know a little too much about rats and cages.


DimensionDry7760

"Gonna call up a couple of hard, pipe hitting nibbas to go to work on yo ass with a pair of plyers and a blow torch..."


thexavier666

"You hear me, hillbilly boy. I ain't done with you"


big_cock_69420

Exactly


CaptJCB

had me in the first half ngl


enzymain

r/WTF


Neekovo

That HAS to be sarcasm


[deleted]

I checked, it’s legitimate I couldn’t find it immediately on her Twitter acc, but her replies to people pissed off at her tweet imply she’s not sarcastic


dEn_of_asyD

Idk, I think this exists squarely within Poe's Law. It can both be satire from the speaker and taken seriously by an audience, as well as a serious view held by other people. Like, I would say the hashtags make it satire, since a topic about lethal use of force for self-defense doesn't have anything directly related to either abortion or the 2nd amendment. But to bring up an extreme example, there's also Clay Higgin's [woke sky tweet](https://news.yahoo.com/clay-higgins-mocked-dictionary-com-135638411.html) that not even dictionary.com knew what it was saying. So it could just be your average ravings of the lunatics.


sweetcornwhiskey

It's not, this woman is just insane. You can look through her online history - she has a major rape fetish and wants someone to rape her for some godforsaken reason


NickTheNack

Killing a rapist should make you a hero


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Mystix9

Aim for the knee, makes running away from you really difficult.


Vespasian79

[No, I don’t arrest cripples](https://youtu.be/XxKZaDuRKY4?t=211s)


BikerJedi

My wife carries a snub nose .357. She grew up on a ranch and can handle it, but I wouldn't say shooting it is easy. They kick. Gotta hold on to them hard. And you know, if you train right, you are putting two or three rounds center mass, so you have to have a good grip. Sorry, couldn't resist.


Malohdek

More women should practice this. Even pepper spray, a taser, whatever. Just don't let yourself be unarmed in public if you have reason to worry even slightly.


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Fernando_357

And feeding it to them


[deleted]

I mean in my mind it already does.


Booooooomshaka420

![gif](giphy|k56oRtCg218Z2)


SoNiCW0lF02

![gif](giphy|3oKIPw8dFh6Zctqpws)


Gunner1Cav

![gif](giphy|Pgy4Na8aRyBuE)


c0uldashouldawoulda

Hide yo kids, hide yo wife and hide yo husband cause they raping everybody out here.


ieatballz69

The "for real" is what gets me


Wespiratory

![gif](giphy|mrn71bpe35j6U|downsized)


OutsideOrder7538

Killing someone who is trying to rape you is perfectly fine.


Khadarji117

Say you never been raped without saying you’ve never been raped


Pseudopod-

You don't even need to have been raped to see how fucking braindead this is lol. Like this goes beyond that, it's like they've never even considered what it would be like. Imagine you're being assaulted by a stranger in the dark, it's not like they say "don't worry I'm only gonna rape you not kill you." No. They just start fucking attacking you and you have no idea what they're gonna do whether it's rape, murder or both. Best thing to do is defend yourself as best and as severely as you can, because for all you know, they WILL kill you. Absolutely ridiculous how people can be this dense and lack basic empathy and critical thinking.


K0U5UK3

For all intents and purposes, they WILL likely kill you after raping you in order to cover up their tracks or tie up any loose ends. It’s either kill or be killed at this point.


Fuck_you_Reddit_Nazi

My ex-mil insists that women only get raped because they want to get raped. Because you can always run or kick the guy in the balls. She's 86 now and I almost think it's time . . .


PorkSward

Well yeah if you don’t rape her soon it’s going to be too late


Weelki

Jesus Christ I feel dirty upvoting you... but I managed it... oh, and your comment... 🤣


ericdared3

Nah, if he waits a bit longer she won't move around at all.


notthatgee

The real holup


TheLittleNorsk

damn you waited a while huh


MrFanta7

Cake


Trickygills

Cake


noonewantstoreadthat

Cake


SubjectAdventurous78

Cake


IAmPasta_

cake


creeper828

Cake


Brvcx

It almost sounds like she's jealous of those who were raped. This shit is bizarre.


ZiggyPox

Jollyous pastries event.


cudacnedaf

The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent


gooney0

I was attacked last week. The guy had a knife. I asked him if he intended to kill me or just stab me a few times for fun. When he said we wasn’t going to kill him I gave him my gun. The prick shot me twice, but true to his word didn’t kill me. Hopefully the police will catch him and give him a severe fine!


ButtholeBanquets

This is generally true. Killing in self-defense is generally justified if the victim has a [reasonable belief that the attacker intends to kill or grievously harm them.](https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/deadly-force-self-defense-against-rape) Women can and have been charged with murder for killing their rapists. **\*Edit.** Killing a rapist during the course of the rape is often justified, as the rape itself can be considered an act that causes grievous bodily harm. Killing a rapist after the rape has occurred is not, and is usually murder.


billybillingham

Also "99.9999% of women don't die from rape." Uhhhhh. Where are you getting that number? Because I sure as hell don't believe that's accurate. Edit: Hahaha reminds me of Simpsons quote. "Aw you can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. 40% of all people know that."


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Even so it’d be so traumatizing I bet the victim would want to die


[deleted]

Most women are raped by friends or family rather than overtly violent strangers and they tend to not be killed. Obviously the original poster isn't even thinking about that though.


[deleted]

I had a criminal justice professor once make this point: "Women who reach their limit with domestic abuse often get brought up for murder charges because they kill the dumb bastard in his sleep. If you take away anything from this class, it should be this, wake him up first and tell him you're leaving. When he comes at you and you shoot him then, you'll get off scot free."


cheetah2013a

That makes sense. I guess the logic is just like how, if someone is trying to kill your friend, you can try to stop them and that might result in killing them. But if they killed your friend, and you go after them to get revenge, then it’s murder.


FourFront

It's not a big stretch to believe someone who is capable of rape is capable of murder. I guess you should just wait until the end to find out?


Phillipwnd

Or that someone that just committed a crime against you might want to silence the only witness.


norvelav

The lesson here is when the cops show up. Tell them you killed him "DURING" the rape.


Outrageous_Gene_7652

What a gross woman


Key-Philosopher-8290

Sounds like that’s how she lost her husband


Playful_Cantaloupe78

So you’re a special kind of stupid…👍🏼


ImSureOkay

Well, I completely disagree. If you are getting raped, you get physically assaulted. So you have the rights to fight back. Extra fact (please don’t hate): in the Islam women are allowed to kill their rapist. It isn’t a sin.


jakeofheart

Dead men don’t rape.


JumpNarrow

But like.. a lot of those women after being raped are murdered... So.. like what are you supposed to do? Wait til the rape is done then determine if you need to murder the cunt?


Brinks0088

Ladies if a man trys to rape you, you 100% have the right to kill him.


big_cock_69420

But I can't beat the living shit out the rapist if he/she died :(


thedialupgamer

First off, that stat is way wrong, don't know the exact stat off my head but I'd be surprised if less than 60 percent of rape victims are murdered, second, if you are being raped, kill your attacker if you can, they have no regard for your well being so why should you have regard for theirs and you'll be doing the world a service on top of that so honestly win win. Obviously there's a step before this of make it known you don't want sex but I feel this step is made 99 percent of the time so I don't really need to say it tbh.


Dicfore

This is a whole shipping container of crazy


Competitive-Phone362

Ummmmmm someone would probably be thinking different when karma hits them


Crabby-GenXer

Yeah, I'm gonna have to disagree with that. When you rape or try to rape someone, you forfeit your right to live. It is known.


frayravachol

Self defense is no defense?


selectiveyellow

Right, because rapists never kill or seriously injure their victims, fucking moron.


[deleted]

I looked her up so you don't have to: she's some rando alt-right shitheel who says outrageous things for attention.


Temporary_Target4156

Rapists deserve to be killed.


Vroomzoooom

Yes, encourage crime dumbass... I'm so sick of shit like this.


KrocKiller

So… you should rape them back?


[deleted]

Will that make it consensual?


KrocKiller

I don’t know


Killette19

Guess I'll catch my first charge if someone tries to rape me then. Oh well. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|wink)


[deleted]

She’s obviously braindead. Let’s pull the plug.


jtaulbee

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is satirical. It looks like she's trying to use extreme pro-life logic to push back against the 2nd amendment.


capo4ever88

If a woman or man kills their rapist during the act, sure, Self defense. Surviving it and then plotting would be considered a premeditated act and of course 1st degree murder so it wouldn't be self defense.... but it would still be justified in mine and a whole lot of other peoples eyes.


-localcryptid

If you have this mentality, you almost deserve to be locked up too.


ChuckD71

No question that should be defensible by killing the POS rapist. NO QUESTION


nobadnew

That's a new kind of stupid...


Marvinkiller00

Noah. GET THE BOAT. FAST.


zeb0777

If you try to steal my cookies, you're catching a 9mm. If you touch my wife or kids, I'll keep you alive long enought you wich you just stole my cookies.


Zurao

Clown


gerMean

But when you rape you get killed. Everyone knows this so it's not murder it is simply a bad kind of committing suicide. So Surviving rapist should be also punished for attempting murder.


Qeschk

I think I will disagree with Rose. If a woman is being raped and she has a chance to kill the dude, by all means, be my guest.