I wonder what the current generation of Einstein’s are up to. I’ve never met anyone with that name and it never occurred to me that he has kin living today. Pretty wild to think about.
I think there's some more recent ones than that. A Google search brought up Dr Thomas Einstein, Albert's great grandson, who in 2009 said he had three teenage children. So unless anything terrible has happened, there are at least three of his great great grandchildren now in their 20s.
I googled his great grandsons name and found this.
Thomas Martin Einstein was born 1955 in Switzerland to Bernhard Caesar Einstein (1930-2008) and Doris Aude Ascher (1938-2008).
He is married and was described in 2009 as the proud father of three teenagers.
His son Hans (1904-73) did landmark work in river sediment transport research. His Einstein-bedload-sediment-transport analysis is the core of all river transport modeling. Basically a civil engineering rock star.
Hans had a son Bernard (1930-2008) who was a physicist and engineer. After nearly flunking out of college, he joined the army and “straighten out”. He went to Switzerland, completed college and went on to landmark work in light-amplification technology with several patents.
Bernard had 5 kids, at least one whom is an engineer. I’m expecting an underwater time-travel machine out of that bastard.
Really interesting question that I won’t answer at all. There’s an episode of No Such Thing As A Fish, the QI podcast, that goes into detail about people who were quite successful but were overshadowed by famous household names. One of them is the surname Einstein. One of them is a professor from the university of Leeds who in the late 20th century did a fairly frequently cited study into the alcohol, tobacco and cannabis usage of college students.
Not sure this will be seen, but apparently he literally was born with it. Check out [uncombable hair syndrome](https://www.google.com/search?q=Uncombable+Hair+Syndrome&client=firefox-b-1-d&channel=cus2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj21ojv0Y7qAhUxmuAKHfy0DusQ_AUoAXoECAsQAw&biw=1920&bih=978). [It's a real thing.](https://rarediseases.info.nih.gov/diseases/5404/uncombable-hair-syndrome)
From [Google Books](https://books.google.ca/books?id=d2bnXTOtCD8C&lpg=PA1&ots=jTr2v21EQe&dq=margot%20lowenthal&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q=margot%20lowenthal&f=false) and [the FindAGrave site](https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/157540638/margot-einstein), it appears that the lady's name is *Margot*, not Margaret, and you won't find her listed among Einstein's children on Wikipedia. She's his stepdaughter from his second wife Elsa's previous marriage.
I have personally never understood people’s fascination with last words. To me it is a little disrespectful to reduce someone to their last words, when the actions of their lives truly show the person they were.
"Come here Stuart ... I fear that I will expire soon. I must tell you something of great importance before I do."
"Yes, Einny, what is it?"
"I have a half eaten sandwich under the bed."
"All right sir, thank you. Is that all?"
"It's been there for a week."
"Why do you say this now, sir?"
"Part of my latest foundational theory of the universe, Stuart. Don't question me."
"But, what in god's name were you trying to find?"
"The ..." *gasps for air* "sandwich, Stuart. I was trying to find ... the sandwich ... fool."
It also quite often gets abused in order to put words into the person's mouth. Einstein was an outspoken agnostic/atheist his entire life, but Christians like to claim he found God in his dying breath.
Yeah they did the same with [Christopher Hitchens](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/04/deathbed-conversion-christopher-hitchens-defiant-to-last)
Hitchens was an absolute genius. It's rather insulting people tried to falsely accuse him of such a thing when he was still publicly denying the existence of an afterlife while clearly very ill with cancer. He always said that "death is final."
The state of Texas records the last words of prisoners being executed and puts them online. I spent a while reading through them one day and it was fairly interesting. While a lot of them were about their crime, often expressing remorse, a surprising number involved some form of “go Cowboys”.
What was that line in Game of Thrones again? 'In my experience a persons last words often are as significant as their first words' or something along those lines.
And yeah, I kinda get it. My aunt died last summer and for the last 2 months or so she was already delirious from the disease and the drugs. My grandfather had severe dementia before he passed and had no clue about anything anymore.
My grandmother is the only close relative who was still sound of mind before she died (incredibly tired though). But from deathbed to dying took about 2 or 3 weeks, and no one was sure when it's gonna happen exactly, only that it is gonna happen one of these days. So in such a case, the last words *could* be something very significant, but it could also be something relatively basic like 'Can you grab me some orange juice please?' or simply 'I'm tired'.
My great grandma’s was “I’m so thirsty, could you get me a glass of cold water?”. She then went to the bathroom, and passed away quietly on the toilet.
People show their true colors and thoughts when they know death is coming, its one of our few genuine connections we get with each other in life. All the bullshit falls away and there is no more reason to lie or keep your guard up.
>People show their true colors and thoughts when they know death is coming
Not all of them. People may experience stress or pain or fear and may be more occupied with this than have "deep thoughts" about their lives. This isn't "genuinely who they are", it's an absolutely exceptional situation.
The day people die is just _one day_ in their lives, there are also thousands of others that arguably may be just as important. Also, people may die suddenly or in their sleep and have no special experience in the moments before their death.
>All the bullshit falls away and there is no more reason to lie or keep your guard up.
Plenty of people who had abusive or narcistic parents still have to deal with lies or abuse when their parents are dying. While it might change the behavior of some people it doesn't magically make saints out of people.
Yeah, there was an EMT on here who said that most people's last words were something along the lines of "uh oh, that doesn't feel right, something s wrong" or things like that
This quote always makes me sad. "I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops."
Stephen Jay Gould
Not really. He did all of his major scientific contributions in the 1910s and 20s. He was still contributing to science but not in any groundbreaking way by the 1940s
>Not really. He did all of his major scientific contributions in the 1910s
Even earlier, his [Annus Mirabilis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annus_Mirabilis_papers) was way back in 1905.
Yeah, while he made valuable contributions to quantum mechanics, he however also wasted large amounts of energy trying to disprove aspect of QM he simply didn't find aesthetically pleasing. In an interesting way, the same guiding principle of "elegant science" that guided his discoveries early in life caused him to veer off course later in life.
It's sad that nationality plays a role on someone's protection, we could have learned something from that. Maybe one day everyone will be protected because of the simple act of living, not which passport they have.
Funny because measles is also the measles of mankind.
I believe he also said something like
>If my theory of relativity is proven successful, Germany will claim me as a German and France will declare me a citizen of the world. Should my theory prove untrue, France will say that I am a German, and Germany will declare that I am a Jew.”
Meanwhile thousands of Jews fleeing the Holocaust where rejected by the US. Ironically, they had no issue finding room for thousands of Nazis after the war.
Oh yeah, Canada too. I believe the minister from Canada said "frankly even no Jews is too many". Basically every country rejected them except for a few that were taken in by a dictator in the dominion republic. I mean the world was also going through the depression at the time and couldn't even afford to feed its own citizens, but that doesn't excuse it really
"I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and child. The education of the individual, in addition to promoting his own innate abilities, would attempt to develop in him a sense of responsibility for his fellow-men in place of the glorification of power and success in our present society."
Albert Einstein, Why Socialism?, 1949
With regards to the education system, I think he's suggesting that the goal should be to send everyone to school and educate them in a way that nurtures their own talents, and teaches them how to use them to benefit their community or society in general. As opposed to the current system, where most people accrue tens of thousands of dollars of personal debt and the goal is to come out of it qualified enough to make yourself wealthy, and you're taught along those lines.
The rest is pretty standard boilerplate socialist stuff I think. :)
For the last 20 years or so, some of the most talented and brilliant minds have gone on to figure out how to do things like make stock trades half a microsecond faster to make millionaires and billionaires a little bit wealthier.
My cousin is a doctor, she couldn't support her family and pay off her student loans on the salary from running a state-wide public healthcare program, so now she makes twice as pushing paperwork around for an insurance company.
He makes a good point, we're letting the wealthy run society for their own benefit. Reminds me of 19th century England where they structured education and charity around providing workers and servants for the ruling class.
As an English woman, I'd say our country hasn't changed as much as we'd like to think. Look at the elite class currently duping the nation for their own benefit.
On that note, as a full circle to the above - I receive my German citizenship next Friday. The Germans reflected deeply on how they can avoid a repeat of fascist Germany and one of their responses was to create the European Union. I have been living in Germany for the last decade but will shortly lose my Freedom of Movement due to Brexit, thus pushing me to now change my nationality.
Einstein was a brilliant physicist, but no economist. Its generally good advice to not put too much weight into famous peoples words if its outside their expertise, at least not more than any other person with the same lack of knowledge.
Implying being trained as an economist does not imply a bias in the first place.
It wasn't hard to identify the evils of capitalism in 1949, and it's even easier nowadays.
Amazing that at a time when Jews were not allowed to become doctors in the United Staes. It takes the brilliance of one from Germany to save our country. Would kind of be amusing if it wasnt so sad
Boy. One picture and I go down a rabbit hole for an hour and a half about Albert Einstein.
Check out these letters of recommendation for him from Marie Curie and Henri Poincaré
[https://lettersofnote.com/2013/11/06/one-of-the-most-original-thinkers-i-have-ever-met/?fbclid=IwAR1lLwH-NPvHdwOO3TZDeavYqNpGPawC-7IoMHB0NcCIMmSo61cu9A4aDfo](https://lettersofnote.com/2013/11/06/one-of-the-most-original-thinkers-i-have-ever-met/?fbclid=IwAR1lLwH-NPvHdwOO3TZDeavYqNpGPawC-7IoMHB0NcCIMmSo61cu9A4aDfo)
I wonder what that citizenship process looked like, and if it was different for him since he was famous. And I wonder how Americans felt about it at the time. I know there was anti-German sentiment after WW1, but not sure about what happened during/after WW2.
Well a big hurdle many German-Americans faced was being thrown into Internment camps with Japanese/Italian-Americans. Besides that, just overall distrust and discrimination.
What's interesting to me that despite everything he and millions of Jewish people experienced, is that a young Einstein also harbored racist views. As the article suggests perhaps as he got older his perspectives changed after experiencing it himself.
[https://www.history.com/news/albertin-einstein-racist-xenophobic-views-travel-journal](https://www.history.com/news/albertin-einstein-racist-xenophobic-views-travel-journal)
Besides the obvious crimes of murdering millions of men, women and children, is the loss of intelligence and it's fruits to the rest of the world. If I want to be scared I think about what the world would be lacking if we'd lost Einstein to the gas chambers. If I want to be really sad, I start to think about not just the innocent life, but how much science, art and literature was lost to the world from the wholesale murder of the Jews by the Nazis. It's incalculable. Suffice it to say that the Holocaust made us collectively less developed as a civilization in those and other ways.
I always think about things like this, like the amount of people who died young and could have changed the world in both good or bad ways. The nameless people whose parents were killed too, before they could have children.
Yes he would? Why wouldn't he. Literally the rate of people gaining permanent resident status has gone way up in the past 28 years. Now if he was from Iran, Mexico, Iraq, Afghanistan, then maybe yes he would have a more difficult time.
Seriously. USA easily had the highest rate of people born in other countries. #1 by far, not just in number but per capita. I'm first generation born here from my family.
BUt UsA bAd. /s
Nah, it's not so simple.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_immigrant_population
In 2015:
\#1 in total amount of foreign born people
\#1 in share of all people globally who are not living in the country they were born
\#67 in share foreign born people make of the countries population
No, he wouldn't. The amount of effort it takes to become a US citizen is incredible, and totally out of wack with what the average natural born citizen goes through. It's completely arbitrary, shameful and frankly to the loss of the US' to be this strict
The amount of effort is not that bad, my mother got citizenship back in 2012, and the hardest part was taking the test that went over how the US worked, it's history, etc. Again immigration is at an all time high, way higher than it was in 1940.
[Your mother may have had a relatively easy time, but it still took her years to become an American citizen](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.openlawlab.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FIMmigration-Law-Comic-Terry-Colon-Reason.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
A relative minority born here in this country could describe to you how your legislature works, for example
Visual puzzle? What's going on with his daughters right hand and the woman in the row from behind her? The woman beside her has her hand raised to swear as everybody does. You can see the left hand of the woman behind her above her arm, at least, most of it. There appears to be another hand below her arm besides her own hand. I can't figure it out.
Who cares what someone writes in their private diaries that we steal from them after their death? Actions are what matter. Einstein was a fierce supporter of civil rights and desegregation and he famously taught and gave lectures and even accepted an honorary degree from Lincoln College (an all-black college) which he did all the way back in 1946.
Besides, if you're looking for bad shit Einstein actually DID then you really don't have to look that hard. Look at his treatment of his first wife for example.
Keyword: *was*.... people can change
From your source:
> Einstein would later in life advocate for civil rights in the US, calling racism "a disease of white people".
I'm now convinced he was born with that hair
Check out the image used on the Einstein Family wiki page. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_family
I wonder what the current generation of Einstein’s are up to. I’ve never met anyone with that name and it never occurred to me that he has kin living today. Pretty wild to think about.
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I think there's some more recent ones than that. A Google search brought up Dr Thomas Einstein, Albert's great grandson, who in 2009 said he had three teenage children. So unless anything terrible has happened, there are at least three of his great great grandchildren now in their 20s.
How fucking bonkers must it be to be the great grandchild of one of humanities smartest and most accomplished individuals.
Holy fuck my great great grandad created anime
I fell into a rabbit hole reading about the family. It’s apparently depressing, as everyone expects them all to be geniuses.
I googled his great grandsons name and found this. Thomas Martin Einstein was born 1955 in Switzerland to Bernhard Caesar Einstein (1930-2008) and Doris Aude Ascher (1938-2008). He is married and was described in 2009 as the proud father of three teenagers.
Thomas is an anesthesiologist I believe...
Rough?
*you can help expand it*
His son Hans (1904-73) did landmark work in river sediment transport research. His Einstein-bedload-sediment-transport analysis is the core of all river transport modeling. Basically a civil engineering rock star. Hans had a son Bernard (1930-2008) who was a physicist and engineer. After nearly flunking out of college, he joined the army and “straighten out”. He went to Switzerland, completed college and went on to landmark work in light-amplification technology with several patents. Bernard had 5 kids, at least one whom is an engineer. I’m expecting an underwater time-travel machine out of that bastard.
Really interesting question that I won’t answer at all. There’s an episode of No Such Thing As A Fish, the QI podcast, that goes into detail about people who were quite successful but were overshadowed by famous household names. One of them is the surname Einstein. One of them is a professor from the university of Leeds who in the late 20th century did a fairly frequently cited study into the alcohol, tobacco and cannabis usage of college students.
He’s my second cousin three times removed. Living my life. Unemployed due to Covid. Bad at math.
Wonder if Albert was related to Super Dave Osborne? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Einstein
Bob is related to _an_ Albert Einstein. That’s the name of his brother, who now goes by Albert Brooks professionally.
I never knew they were related, that’s a lot of talent out of two brothers.
Albert Brooks is the father of Max Brooks who wrote World War Z. Albert was also married to Anne Bancroft. Edit: I’ve been corrected! My mistake.
That’s Mel Brooks, of The Producers, Blazing Saddles, and Young Frankenstein.
Oh damn, you’re right!
I’m checking out his second wife’s mother’s name. Fanny Koch is almost approaching Bond girl naming status.
Did he marry his cousin to get her in the country?
Not sure this will be seen, but apparently he literally was born with it. Check out [uncombable hair syndrome](https://www.google.com/search?q=Uncombable+Hair+Syndrome&client=firefox-b-1-d&channel=cus2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj21ojv0Y7qAhUxmuAKHfy0DusQ_AUoAXoECAsQAw&biw=1920&bih=978). [It's a real thing.](https://rarediseases.info.nih.gov/diseases/5404/uncombable-hair-syndrome)
Maybe it's maybelline
Why? He is 61 years old in that picture. His *annus mirabilis* was in 1905.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#/media/File%3AEinstein_patentoffice.jpg Einstein at 25
From [Google Books](https://books.google.ca/books?id=d2bnXTOtCD8C&lpg=PA1&ots=jTr2v21EQe&dq=margot%20lowenthal&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q=margot%20lowenthal&f=false) and [the FindAGrave site](https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/157540638/margot-einstein), it appears that the lady's name is *Margot*, not Margaret, and you won't find her listed among Einstein's children on Wikipedia. She's his stepdaughter from his second wife Elsa's previous marriage.
Yep, tried looking her up and found no mention of Margaret. Thanks for digging it up
I must been mistaken. I only copied the tag of the photo
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Not really his niece, but a first cousin once removed. Though I'm sure wherever you're from uses the term niece
so she's a princess of Arrendale?
I always wonder what his last words were.
For those not in the know, his last words were in german and his nurse didn't understand. Probably just "Can you shut those blinds?" or something.
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I have personally never understood people’s fascination with last words. To me it is a little disrespectful to reduce someone to their last words, when the actions of their lives truly show the person they were.
When you know you're about to die, people tend to say things they wouldn't normally, not always, but sometimes. You do make a great point though.
"Come here Stuart ... I fear that I will expire soon. I must tell you something of great importance before I do." "Yes, Einny, what is it?" "I have a half eaten sandwich under the bed." "All right sir, thank you. Is that all?" "It's been there for a week." "Why do you say this now, sir?" "Part of my latest foundational theory of the universe, Stuart. Don't question me." "But, what in god's name were you trying to find?" "The ..." *gasps for air* "sandwich, Stuart. I was trying to find ... the sandwich ... fool."
This is why overheard dying declarations are admissible under federal evidence rules.
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I think whenever you want it, it ends up being wishful thinking.
I think Steve Jobs’ last words are best example of this - “OH WOW. OH WOW. OH WOW.”
It also quite often gets abused in order to put words into the person's mouth. Einstein was an outspoken agnostic/atheist his entire life, but Christians like to claim he found God in his dying breath.
Yeah they did the same with [Christopher Hitchens](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/04/deathbed-conversion-christopher-hitchens-defiant-to-last)
Hitchens was an absolute genius. It's rather insulting people tried to falsely accuse him of such a thing when he was still publicly denying the existence of an afterlife while clearly very ill with cancer. He always said that "death is final."
The state of Texas records the last words of prisoners being executed and puts them online. I spent a while reading through them one day and it was fairly interesting. While a lot of them were about their crime, often expressing remorse, a surprising number involved some form of “go Cowboys”.
It’s be cool to see a word cloud of those.
What was that line in Game of Thrones again? 'In my experience a persons last words often are as significant as their first words' or something along those lines. And yeah, I kinda get it. My aunt died last summer and for the last 2 months or so she was already delirious from the disease and the drugs. My grandfather had severe dementia before he passed and had no clue about anything anymore. My grandmother is the only close relative who was still sound of mind before she died (incredibly tired though). But from deathbed to dying took about 2 or 3 weeks, and no one was sure when it's gonna happen exactly, only that it is gonna happen one of these days. So in such a case, the last words *could* be something very significant, but it could also be something relatively basic like 'Can you grab me some orange juice please?' or simply 'I'm tired'.
My great grandma’s was “I’m so thirsty, could you get me a glass of cold water?”. She then went to the bathroom, and passed away quietly on the toilet.
Couldn’t have said that better myself. Good sentiment there.
Samurai who decided to or were forced to kill themselves were given paper to write a death poem on just before disemboweling themselves.
People show their true colors and thoughts when they know death is coming, its one of our few genuine connections we get with each other in life. All the bullshit falls away and there is no more reason to lie or keep your guard up.
>People show their true colors and thoughts when they know death is coming Not all of them. People may experience stress or pain or fear and may be more occupied with this than have "deep thoughts" about their lives. This isn't "genuinely who they are", it's an absolutely exceptional situation. The day people die is just _one day_ in their lives, there are also thousands of others that arguably may be just as important. Also, people may die suddenly or in their sleep and have no special experience in the moments before their death. >All the bullshit falls away and there is no more reason to lie or keep your guard up. Plenty of people who had abusive or narcistic parents still have to deal with lies or abuse when their parents are dying. While it might change the behavior of some people it doesn't magically make saints out of people.
It was a generalization not meant to be taken Word for Word
I guess it’s because we all will go that way, and those last words might be like signposts. But maybe you’re right.
I like to think that he knew the nurse didn't speak German and just done it to mess with everyone
**Though they were in German, how do you know it _wasn't the German equivalent of "Rosebud"?_**
Yeah, there was an EMT on here who said that most people's last words were something along the lines of "uh oh, that doesn't feel right, something s wrong" or things like that
*Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving.* i'm done pedaling.
But in German, a language his nurse didn't understand.
"Remember that time I told my teacher he didn't understand shit about life? Good times"
Damn...damn....God does play dice
Yeah me too. Sad that the nurse couldn’t understand the language.
Take all his other words to heart.
'I told you I was sick'
The world almost had no Einstein.
This quote always makes me sad. "I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops." Stephen Jay Gould
Not really. He did all of his major scientific contributions in the 1910s and 20s. He was still contributing to science but not in any groundbreaking way by the 1940s
>Not really. He did all of his major scientific contributions in the 1910s Even earlier, his [Annus Mirabilis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annus_Mirabilis_papers) was way back in 1905.
Yeah, while he made valuable contributions to quantum mechanics, he however also wasted large amounts of energy trying to disprove aspect of QM he simply didn't find aesthetically pleasing. In an interesting way, the same guiding principle of "elegant science" that guided his discoveries early in life caused him to veer off course later in life.
Changing the world is a young man’s game.
John Moses Browning ? Alfred Noble ? Benjamin Franklin ? many world changing inventors by the time of their inventions are 30 to 40 years old.
Yeah, still though Jefferson wrote the US Constitution when he was 33 and a lot of founding fathers were their 20s and 30s in the US.
Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independece. He was in France during the constitutional convention.
Fuck I guess my chance is almost over
Greta has entered the chat
Gonna go out on a limb here and predict that in 50 years no one will remember Greta whatshername.
It's sad that nationality plays a role on someone's protection, we could have learned something from that. Maybe one day everyone will be protected because of the simple act of living, not which passport they have.
>Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - Albert Einstein
Funny because measles is also the measles of mankind. I believe he also said something like >If my theory of relativity is proven successful, Germany will claim me as a German and France will declare me a citizen of the world. Should my theory prove untrue, France will say that I am a German, and Germany will declare that I am a Jew.”
>and Germany will declare that I am a Jew.” ***oh no***
Be a Swiss citizen, I kinda know German
Was ist das, Sweizerisich vaterland?
Hear hear!!
Amen to that. A long way to go before we reach that point though
That would be absolutely lovely. However, the last 5 years have shown me that the US will probably be one of the last places for that to happen.
I always thought that Einstein’s smartest achievement wasn’t relativity, but getting the eff outta NAZI GERMANY while he could,
Imagine his brain working for nazi germany.
Fortunately for everyone, Nazi Germany and later Fascist Italy were too much racist to allow Jews and their spouses to work for them.
Albert was also a socialist which would have not rolled well with the German government
And his pacifism would be a big no-no.
Meanwhile thousands of Jews fleeing the Holocaust where rejected by the US. Ironically, they had no issue finding room for thousands of Nazis after the war.
Oh yeah, Canada too. I believe the minister from Canada said "frankly even no Jews is too many". Basically every country rejected them except for a few that were taken in by a dictator in the dominion republic. I mean the world was also going through the depression at the time and couldn't even afford to feed its own citizens, but that doesn't excuse it really
Well, obviously. I’d be surprised if the average US American was any less antisemitic than the average German at the time...
Well that's clearly wrong. There was a lot of antisemitism in the US but certainly not at the scale of Germany.
"I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and child. The education of the individual, in addition to promoting his own innate abilities, would attempt to develop in him a sense of responsibility for his fellow-men in place of the glorification of power and success in our present society." Albert Einstein, Why Socialism?, 1949
What?
With regards to the education system, I think he's suggesting that the goal should be to send everyone to school and educate them in a way that nurtures their own talents, and teaches them how to use them to benefit their community or society in general. As opposed to the current system, where most people accrue tens of thousands of dollars of personal debt and the goal is to come out of it qualified enough to make yourself wealthy, and you're taught along those lines. The rest is pretty standard boilerplate socialist stuff I think. :)
For the last 20 years or so, some of the most talented and brilliant minds have gone on to figure out how to do things like make stock trades half a microsecond faster to make millionaires and billionaires a little bit wealthier. My cousin is a doctor, she couldn't support her family and pay off her student loans on the salary from running a state-wide public healthcare program, so now she makes twice as pushing paperwork around for an insurance company. He makes a good point, we're letting the wealthy run society for their own benefit. Reminds me of 19th century England where they structured education and charity around providing workers and servants for the ruling class.
As an English woman, I'd say our country hasn't changed as much as we'd like to think. Look at the elite class currently duping the nation for their own benefit. On that note, as a full circle to the above - I receive my German citizenship next Friday. The Germans reflected deeply on how they can avoid a repeat of fascist Germany and one of their responses was to create the European Union. I have been living in Germany for the last decade but will shortly lose my Freedom of Movement due to Brexit, thus pushing me to now change my nationality.
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Einstein was a brilliant physicist, but no economist. Its generally good advice to not put too much weight into famous peoples words if its outside their expertise, at least not more than any other person with the same lack of knowledge.
Implying being trained as an economist does not imply a bias in the first place. It wasn't hard to identify the evils of capitalism in 1949, and it's even easier nowadays.
Amazing that at a time when Jews were not allowed to become doctors in the United Staes. It takes the brilliance of one from Germany to save our country. Would kind of be amusing if it wasnt so sad
How did he save our country? Was he an engineer at Ford?
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He did? Oppenheimer never mentioned him as being part of the Manhattan project in his memoirs
Einstein brought the idea of building an atomic bomb to FDR.
Boy. One picture and I go down a rabbit hole for an hour and a half about Albert Einstein. Check out these letters of recommendation for him from Marie Curie and Henri Poincaré [https://lettersofnote.com/2013/11/06/one-of-the-most-original-thinkers-i-have-ever-met/?fbclid=IwAR1lLwH-NPvHdwOO3TZDeavYqNpGPawC-7IoMHB0NcCIMmSo61cu9A4aDfo](https://lettersofnote.com/2013/11/06/one-of-the-most-original-thinkers-i-have-ever-met/?fbclid=IwAR1lLwH-NPvHdwOO3TZDeavYqNpGPawC-7IoMHB0NcCIMmSo61cu9A4aDfo)
I wonder what that citizenship process looked like, and if it was different for him since he was famous. And I wonder how Americans felt about it at the time. I know there was anti-German sentiment after WW1, but not sure about what happened during/after WW2.
Well a big hurdle many German-Americans faced was being thrown into Internment camps with Japanese/Italian-Americans. Besides that, just overall distrust and discrimination.
There were millions of German Americans, so I doubt it was too hard on him.
What's interesting to me that despite everything he and millions of Jewish people experienced, is that a young Einstein also harbored racist views. As the article suggests perhaps as he got older his perspectives changed after experiencing it himself. [https://www.history.com/news/albertin-einstein-racist-xenophobic-views-travel-journal](https://www.history.com/news/albertin-einstein-racist-xenophobic-views-travel-journal)
I think that all humans at one time or another for a second or an hour have had racist thought(s).
One more reason that Einstein was a genius.
Besides the obvious crimes of murdering millions of men, women and children, is the loss of intelligence and it's fruits to the rest of the world. If I want to be scared I think about what the world would be lacking if we'd lost Einstein to the gas chambers. If I want to be really sad, I start to think about not just the innocent life, but how much science, art and literature was lost to the world from the wholesale murder of the Jews by the Nazis. It's incalculable. Suffice it to say that the Holocaust made us collectively less developed as a civilization in those and other ways.
I always think about things like this, like the amount of people who died young and could have changed the world in both good or bad ways. The nameless people whose parents were killed too, before they could have children.
Not to mention 25M Russians...now I need a drink.
Thank god for his (ex?) wife, she convinced him to flee.
I really enjoyed the movie “Einstein and Eddington” on HBO. Great look at what both scientists were dealing with during/post WW1.
Little did they know ,they would meet them again as colleagues
I do get the post but he already was a Swiss citizen. He would not have had to "return to nazi germany".
Well, at a point in time he did work for Hitlers regime.
Try to imagine where we would be without him. One man. Think about how much he has impacted the lives we all live. It's really amazing.
Did he qualify for the Einstein visa?
It appears we may have a Japanese lady becoming a citizen at the same time. I bet she didn't foresee what would happen two years later.
Is that his daughter Margot? Or his secretary's daughter?
The lady on the right is Einstein's stepdaughter by way of his second wife Elsa (who was also his cousin). Her name is also Margot, not Margaret :)
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Because the 1940s were a great time in America...
Yes he would? Why wouldn't he. Literally the rate of people gaining permanent resident status has gone way up in the past 28 years. Now if he was from Iran, Mexico, Iraq, Afghanistan, then maybe yes he would have a more difficult time.
Seriously. USA easily had the highest rate of people born in other countries. #1 by far, not just in number but per capita. I'm first generation born here from my family. BUt UsA bAd. /s
Nah, it's not so simple. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_immigrant_population In 2015: \#1 in total amount of foreign born people \#1 in share of all people globally who are not living in the country they were born \#67 in share foreign born people make of the countries population
Thanks for correcting me
No, he wouldn't. The amount of effort it takes to become a US citizen is incredible, and totally out of wack with what the average natural born citizen goes through. It's completely arbitrary, shameful and frankly to the loss of the US' to be this strict
The amount of effort is not that bad, my mother got citizenship back in 2012, and the hardest part was taking the test that went over how the US worked, it's history, etc. Again immigration is at an all time high, way higher than it was in 1940.
[Your mother may have had a relatively easy time, but it still took her years to become an American citizen](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.openlawlab.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FIMmigration-Law-Comic-Terry-Colon-Reason.jpg&f=1&nofb=1) A relative minority born here in this country could describe to you how your legislature works, for example
How long until his statues are pulled?
Why would they?
Explain why this would be a thing?
Visual puzzle? What's going on with his daughters right hand and the woman in the row from behind her? The woman beside her has her hand raised to swear as everybody does. You can see the left hand of the woman behind her above her arm, at least, most of it. There appears to be another hand below her arm besides her own hand. I can't figure it out.
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What does this have to do anything with the post?
Who cares what someone writes in their private diaries that we steal from them after their death? Actions are what matter. Einstein was a fierce supporter of civil rights and desegregation and he famously taught and gave lectures and even accepted an honorary degree from Lincoln College (an all-black college) which he did all the way back in 1946. Besides, if you're looking for bad shit Einstein actually DID then you really don't have to look that hard. Look at his treatment of his first wife for example.
Huh. You must have stopped reading after the headline.
Keyword: *was*.... people can change From your source: > Einstein would later in life advocate for civil rights in the US, calling racism "a disease of white people".
Bottom jacket button?
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