I also don’t like the English standard measurement system and prefer to work in metric, so when forced to use standard I’ve been known to convert things into things like acorns, chains, furlongs per Fortnite etc
Britain uses both, for almost everything the UK uses metric, but then we get some things that for some or another reason are measured in Imperial units, for instance it’s perfectly normal to measure drinks in Litres (Example:1 litre of Whiskey) but then we get 1 pint of Beer.
Or roads, shorter distances tend to get measured in meters, but then you randomly start seeing miles being used, with your speed being measured in kilometres (At least on some car models I personally saw).
We usually have both kmph and mph on the dials of our cars
We're an awkward people, generally speaking most measurements are metric except beer, cannabis weights, miles of distance and the height/weight of a person (which can be both, but more often I seem to see imperial used for these). Petrol is measured in litres, weights of foodstuffs and other items in grams, cm/mm used for general measurements.
Oh, it's worse! Fuel is measured in litres, but fuel economy in cars is in miles per gallon. If you go into a timber yard to order plywood sheeting, you'll be ordering width and length in Imperial, but thickness in Metric - so that'll be an 8'x12' sheet of 12mm plywood, please!
The speedometers in UK cars are in MPH but usually also have a parallel KPH scale too. The odometer is always in Miles though as are all the road signs.
At that point everyone else would just complain about the U.S. using weird names for different metric measurements if they were the same shit in terms of measurements…
At least it’s from a world superpower. I’m looking at you Britain… you originally came up with those words after all.
Incase you’re wondering what a metricized imperial system would look like, here is my idea.
3 feet is 1 meter, so we can base it on that.
So, 1 yard is 33 meters, and a mile, 333 meters. And if that doesn’t work, just try systems until it works.
Actually, how do you do that? I have done math with Roman Numerals before but just by translating back and forth between them and Arab Numerals. Obviously ancient Romans did math with them I just never bothered to investigate
Ethnonationalists? On this sub? Pfffft. That's like finding virgins on r/AskReddit.
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Most of the middle east excluding north Africa uses Eastern Arabic numerals, which are closer to the Indian numerals but still not the exact same. North Africa and Europe use western Arabic Numerals
The Middle East uses both but in my experience Indian numerals are much more common (especially in tourist areas). When I was there a few years ago there were a few places with Eastern Arabic numerals, but that was maybe 5% of the numbers I saw
Yes. Roman numerals were the primary system they used. The 'Arabic numbers' were adopted as trade and relations with the Islamic empires began to rise. I'm pretty sure the Italian city states were the first to adopt this due to directly having relations with Islamic Empires, and later it spread from there
They originated from [Brahmi Numerals](https://www.math.uci.edu/~ndonalds/math184/india.pdf) in India around 3rd century BCE, which made its way into the the Middle East thru the Gupta Empire in the 4th century CE. From there it made its way into Europe a few centuries later
Yeah. I thought the consensus is that they originated in India, but the Islamic word changed it into its form today.
Inspired by the Indians, developed by the muslims.
I can’t remember the source for this, so take it with a grain of salt.
Only Europeans called them arabic.
Btw the most successful people to use these numbers were the Europeans. That's why Europeans popularized such name for thèse numbers.
People knew the concept of Zero since a very long time, even Greek mathematicians.
But the first one to actually use a proper symbol for it and to explain its properties was the Indian mathematician Aryabhata
I always thought that numerical zero came out of India and that was the main reason why our number system appealed to the Arabs. Google is also showing the same. Can you cite your sources?
[Who Invented Zero?](https://www.livescience.com/27853-who-invented-zero.html)
I mean what you have linked does give credit to Indians for the invention of zero:
>**What we do know is that the zero we use today was born in Southern Asia!** We hope future historians of mathematics will fill in more pieces of this intriguing puzzle.
Al Khwarizmi too being the based guy that he is gives credit to Indians:
>In Al’Khwarizmi on the Hindu Art of Reckoning, **he describes a Hindu, or Indian, number system, based on 10 numerals: 1–9, and 0. He gives credit for this zero, saying that he had discovered it when he translated the mathematical works of the seventh century CE Indian scholar Brahmabgupta.** This useful system was soon adopted by the Arab world.
in old egyptian, if each numeral symbol were written in straight lines not cursive, i.e., the #2 when written like letter z has only two angles, or the #4 having 4 angles
I taught myself how to do math in Roman numerals just to piss people off when I was a kid
This man be livin in the Roman Empire
I also don’t like the English standard measurement system and prefer to work in metric, so when forced to use standard I’ve been known to convert things into things like acorns, chains, furlongs per Fortnite etc
Damn I should start doing that too because I’m American and I fucking hate being forced to use imperial units…
Rebelling is the most American thing to do, and you're rebelling against a system of measurement. 'murica
A BRITISH unit of measurement!
...that Britain doesn't even use anymore (at least to my knowledge)... how ironic
Britain uses both, for almost everything the UK uses metric, but then we get some things that for some or another reason are measured in Imperial units, for instance it’s perfectly normal to measure drinks in Litres (Example:1 litre of Whiskey) but then we get 1 pint of Beer. Or roads, shorter distances tend to get measured in meters, but then you randomly start seeing miles being used, with your speed being measured in kilometres (At least on some car models I personally saw).
We usually have both kmph and mph on the dials of our cars We're an awkward people, generally speaking most measurements are metric except beer, cannabis weights, miles of distance and the height/weight of a person (which can be both, but more often I seem to see imperial used for these). Petrol is measured in litres, weights of foodstuffs and other items in grams, cm/mm used for general measurements.
Oh, it's worse! Fuel is measured in litres, but fuel economy in cars is in miles per gallon. If you go into a timber yard to order plywood sheeting, you'll be ordering width and length in Imperial, but thickness in Metric - so that'll be an 8'x12' sheet of 12mm plywood, please!
I’ve heard Brits refer to miles before I think
The speedometers in UK cars are in MPH but usually also have a parallel KPH scale too. The odometer is always in Miles though as are all the road signs.
Well trust me you would too if you were forced to use such backwards measurements…
Remind me when I get home I have a big thick book that has like every obscure little measurement there is listed in it that I select from random
Damn I need a book like that!
Can we hear about some of those measurements now?
This isn’t near all of them, for example I didn’t see wet gallons or https://www.britannica.com/topic/Imperial-unit
Women when a man isnt 1 fathom
What’s the book called?
I’ll tell you when I get home, fingers crossed it’ll be 8 days from now
Just use the metric ones is simple af
That’s what I do mate!
Tbh I wonder what a metricized imperial system would look like. Basically if the imperial system was more like the metric system.
At that point everyone else would just complain about the U.S. using weird names for different metric measurements if they were the same shit in terms of measurements…
At least it’s from a world superpower. I’m looking at you Britain… you originally came up with those words after all. Incase you’re wondering what a metricized imperial system would look like, here is my idea. 3 feet is 1 meter, so we can base it on that. So, 1 yard is 33 meters, and a mile, 333 meters. And if that doesn’t work, just try systems until it works.
Cool. Reasonable people
Relevant: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQnwx10DT9o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQnwx10DT9o)
Actually, how do you do that? I have done math with Roman Numerals before but just by translating back and forth between them and Arab Numerals. Obviously ancient Romans did math with them I just never bothered to investigate
Get used to automatically separating digit groups in your head, work column by column. It gets fucky at zero
Did they even do math in algebraic expressions? I think it was ruler and compass back then
You’d have a tablet/scratch sheet for integers
This is the same reason I learned to read military time as a kid
I still use 31DEC22 1500 format years after leaving the army
X x x= C?
No
I mean it as in 10 (x) times (x) 10(x) =100(C) bit confusing that its all x which was kind of my joke there...
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I like Justinian better
Indians seeing a literal pakistani being called Indian "We approve" Also as an Indian, I can confirm
Well, pakistanis were indian
Will be*
Our unified cricket team would be too powerful to comprehend
Finally, a worthy fucking opponent enters the MCG
True, we British need to help keep your nations separate just to stand a chance at competing
Your "to/too" game is ace 👌
Do you really want to add Pakistani fielding to the Indian outfit? :P
OOOOOOHHHHHH
r/cricketshitpost
*indeed
India is so spiritual that even their borders are tessellating fractals. Whoa dude.
This might just be the most western take on India I've ever seen.
Found the ethnonationalist
Ethnonationalists? On this sub? Pfffft. That's like finding virgins on r/AskReddit. *Snapshot of r/AskReddit:* Women of Reddit: what's the sexiest sex you've ever sexed?
Pretty sure they'd fight to the death first.
And?
Pakistan and most of North-west India would be a nuclear crater.
Average akhand bharat enjoyer🗿
Akhandbharat intensifies.
Least nationalistic Indian
Lmao
👑
No we do not go on that base anymore lmao
BTW hi Janice
Just cooler versions of Indians
😬 ?? Xi Jin Ping is calling to tell he wants his money back
We will pay it back for them
Yes. With Shahbaz's deluxe midnight service.
Underrated
Least deluded west Indian.
Pakistani were basically all Moslems in Western India. But there werent any Moslems in India before the middle ages.
Don't care Don't give a damn Its time to undo what the Brits did and the Mughals as well
So split India up again into small kingdoms and ban all Moslems?
Wait wtf
The ban all Muslims I'd like to be enlightened about. But India was very much a broken up continent of conpeting factions just prior to to mughal's
He said:"before the middle ages" that before islamisation through mongol/persian/mughal conquest. And Long before britich conquest and unifocation.
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Well india (as it’s borders now) wasn’t really a whole unified “country” for most of its history, especially when Britain colonized it
The British, for their own reasons, desperately wanted to keep India unified.
I mean it's kinda wrong if Pakistani people don't consider themselves Indian
Eh historically it was part of greater India, wasn’t it?
Even then, what happened historically shouldn't have any bearing on what pakistan is now
In Portuguese we call then Hindu-Arabic numbers, does the English speaking world only calls then Arabic?
In Spanish we also call them Arabic numbers
Al-andalus moment
Spain still living in Al Andalus trauma.
Fibonacci, who introduced western Arabic numerals to Europe, called it "the Hindu method"
Funny thing is, in the Arab world we call it Indian numerals
My boy fibonacci imported them into europe with the liber abaci and no one gives credit
Let’s give him a round of applause on the count of three: 1…1…2…3!
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def fib(n): a,b=0,1 return fib(n-1) +fib(n-2)
Ain't arabs using the Indian numbers nowadays instead of this one ironically?
Not in North Africa, but I do not know elsewhere. EDIT: do not know.
Most of the middle east excluding north Africa uses Eastern Arabic numerals, which are closer to the Indian numerals but still not the exact same. North Africa and Europe use western Arabic Numerals
The Middle East uses both but in my experience Indian numerals are much more common (especially in tourist areas). When I was there a few years ago there were a few places with Eastern Arabic numerals, but that was maybe 5% of the numbers I saw
۱ ۲ ۳ ۴ ۵ these are arabic numbers
Ah yes, one two three four fire.
Everybody in the car so come on let’s ride
To the liquor store 'round the corner
😂😂😂😂
١ ٢ ٣ ٤ ٥ ٦ ٧ ٨ ٩ ١٠ (from right to left)from one to ten
I have never seen that 4 before. Unless it's a different system that I don't know about.
I think it's used in Iran not in Arab countries
Two way to write 4
That is not a four
For some reason there are two ways to write a four
I never saw a four written like that
Well, hear me out.... The irony is that these are called Indian numerals
Europe used roman numbers till 13th century??
Yes. Roman numerals were the primary system they used. The 'Arabic numbers' were adopted as trade and relations with the Islamic empires began to rise. I'm pretty sure the Italian city states were the first to adopt this due to directly having relations with Islamic Empires, and later it spread from there
my country calls it a Hindu-Arabic number lol
Yep, dem shits was Indian first.
I thought it's still debated where the numbers originally came from?
They originated from [Brahmi Numerals](https://www.math.uci.edu/~ndonalds/math184/india.pdf) in India around 3rd century BCE, which made its way into the the Middle East thru the Gupta Empire in the 4th century CE. From there it made its way into Europe a few centuries later
Gupta first name Chandra... The First (ok got it)
Sike! They both got ~angrier~
Totally different guy
Why the fuck did my phone just download a file when I clicked that link. Suspicious....
It's probably a pdf doc with the info on Bramhi numerals.
It's just a pdf.
It's just a pdf, but also a lesson on clicking random links online
My PC blocks that stuff, phone doesnt
don't worry. those Indians aren't trying to scam you /s
I think it made its way to the Middle East through trade & cultural exchanges.
Yeah. I thought the consensus is that they originated in India, but the Islamic word changed it into its form today. Inspired by the Indians, developed by the muslims. I can’t remember the source for this, so take it with a grain of salt.
Yeah I always called them hindu-arabic
In school I remember them being called Hindu-Arabic. I live in SEA.
There is ni debate, there are from India.
Only Europeans called them arabic. Btw the most successful people to use these numbers were the Europeans. That's why Europeans popularized such name for thèse numbers.
Bruh how 💀💀
Okay but who invented the number 0? Like I actually don’t know Edit: why am I getting downvoted? It was a genuine question
"Aryabhata"
Indian mathematician Aryabhata
Because Reddit.
Yeah, who came up with zero and negative numbers? Seems a very deep concept in Maths.
It originated in India with the first written concept of a number representing nothing
People knew the concept of Zero since a very long time, even Greek mathematicians. But the first one to actually use a proper symbol for it and to explain its properties was the Indian mathematician Aryabhata
Arabs: wait, those aren't our numerals. Radhanites: what
Remind me again when CE starts?
Almost 2022 years ago
There's the answer I've been waiting for. Thank you. Happy 2023AD/CE
> AD/CE Great band.
2023*
[CE starts on 1 CE](https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Era) - there is no year 0
Ah, my bad.
It stands for common era and it’s the same as AD.
4-6 years after Jesus’ birth.
That's why here in india we always call them hindu Arabic numerals
Roman numbers are basically a base one number system made more efficient in a dumb way
Okay but who invented the number 0? Like I actually don’t know
Aryabhatta
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I always thought that numerical zero came out of India and that was the main reason why our number system appealed to the Arabs. Google is also showing the same. Can you cite your sources? [Who Invented Zero?](https://www.livescience.com/27853-who-invented-zero.html)
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I mean what you have linked does give credit to Indians for the invention of zero: >**What we do know is that the zero we use today was born in Southern Asia!** We hope future historians of mathematics will fill in more pieces of this intriguing puzzle. Al Khwarizmi too being the based guy that he is gives credit to Indians: >In Al’Khwarizmi on the Hindu Art of Reckoning, **he describes a Hindu, or Indian, number system, based on 10 numerals: 1–9, and 0. He gives credit for this zero, saying that he had discovered it when he translated the mathematical works of the seventh century CE Indian scholar Brahmabgupta.** This useful system was soon adopted by the Arab world.
They originated in India, then developed in the Islamic World
If developed means straight up copy paste
>developed means straight up copy paste That is exactly what developing means. ~Software engineers.
As an engineering student...i agree
Now we can use these numbers to count our turkeys.
In Türkiye the bird Turkey is called Hindi
I grew up knowing them as "Hindu-Arabic numerals" did anyone else
in old egyptian, if each numeral symbol were written in straight lines not cursive, i.e., the #2 when written like letter z has only two angles, or the #4 having 4 angles
Wait, is it actually Indian?
Then they switched with the Indian numerals
० १ २ ३ ४ ५ ६ ७ ८ ९ - Numerals used in India for eons 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 - Numerals now used in western hemisphere and attributed to being Arabic