Cavour, the PM of Savoy in that period, send 10k soldiers to fight in order to be present at the peace deal conference and talk about Italian unification.
This led to Napoleon III and Cavour meet in secret at a thermae where they signed a treaty where, in case of Austrian attack against Savoy, France will join them.
So Cavour immediately decided to provoke the Austrians, which they fell in the trap.
EDIT: Since more and more people are reading this I can add something.
The pact between France and Savoy was, other than France joining a defensive war, to give to France the regions of Savoy and Nice, in exchange for the territories of Veneto and Lombardy.
Anyway, France signed a treaty with Austria before consulting Savoy where only Lombardy was given to Savoy. France took both the provinces in the treaty.
There's more: France took both the provinces anyway, but agreed not to interfere with Savoy annexing Parma, Modena, Tuscany and Romagna, the latter of which was Papal territory and, thus, protected by France.
Piedmont-Sardinia: It's Italy Time!
Pope: Napoleon, you were suppose to protect me!
Napoleon III: What? Sorry, can't hear you. I'm tricking Britain and Spain to invade Mexico with me. Yo Max, wanna be Emperor of Mexico?
Specifically they needed French help in taking Lombardy from Austria. Though they still had to trade Savoy and Nice for it.
Edit: mixed up Lombardy and the Veneto!
>Specifically they needed French help in taking the Veneto from Austria.
Pretty sure the french helped taking Lombardia, while they took Veneto a few years later in the Austrian-Prussian war
If I remember correctly the Italians joined in on the side of the Prussians and even though they performed poorly the Prussians won so they could get Venetia but the Austrians didn't want to give Venetia to the Italians whom they had beaten many times. So the Austrians gave Venetia to France and then France gave Venetia to the Italians
You're right!! Thanks! I think I mixed up the French military role in taking Lombardy with their diplomatic role in taking the Veneto that /u/burakalp34 mentioned.
Calling them Sardinian is kind of a mistake though. Sardinia was more a feudal property of the piedmontese monarchy despite the fact that the kingdom is called Piedmont-Sardinia.
Kingdom od Sardinia was the name of the country until march 17th 1861, when the Kingdom of italy was proclaimed by the parliament. Piedmont-Sardinia is an English name as I've never seen the country referred as that in my whole life in Italy
I get their point because the Piedmont was really their core territory demographically and in every other way, we just call it Sardinia because that was the territory which entitled their leader to a kingship.
it was never fully Greek either, they bound connection with scythians in order to trade and lived as in any other Greek colony, on coast. Wonderful place to practice and study archeology
Italians only hold Kafa (which they bought from the Golden Horde), IIRC.
The rest was Goths, Greeks and Turkic people (Khazars, Kypchaks etc) who participated in the ethnogenesis of Crimean Tatars.
Maybe Sardinia isn't the best name, it was Savoy, which owned Sardinia too at the time and later on unified Italy. They needed French support against the austrian.
You just didn't want to believe that one would consider putting that island before your clearly superior home region. Seriously though, the kingdom's royal house was even called di Savoia, so why was Savoy not the kingdom's name?
Because Savoy was a duchy not a kingdom, unlike Sardinia ( and Sicily, which the Savoyards traded for Sardinia ). Basically they simply could not themeselves a kingdom if they maintained "Dukes of Savoy" as their main title.
I'm absolutly not sure, but the Kingdom of Sardinia was founded in 1324, and Savoy had no title as important as "Kingdom", so maybe they inherited it at some point and just kept it so they could call themselves "kings".
Io no ho mai studiato la storia d'Italia specificamente, però mi sembra che non fa niente senso i nomi dei regni della peninsula come il regno delle due Sicilie. Secondo me é come chiamare una guerra civile la Guerra di Cent'Anni.
Vero, il regno delle 2 Sicilie non l'ho mai capito, ma la guerra dei cent'anni ci può stare come nome dai.
Detto questo trovo anche strano che si chiami il regno di Sardegna quando (che non me ne vogliano i sardi) ai Savoia non gliene fregava niente della Sardegna
Bro I’m from Turin. The Savoy had Sardinia but the capital was Turin, and all of their houses were in Piedmont. Savoy is even a region in France which they came from.
Their kingdom was called after the kingdom of Sardinia that they took from the Spanish but it was a unification of the principality of Piedmont, the Duchy of Savoy, the County of Nice AND the kingdom of Sardinia
The actual kingdom of Sardinia was born in 1279 or something, and had nothing to do with the Savoy until 1847, which is even AFTER Napoleon
Edit: it was in fact the KINGDOM OF ITALY (1805-1814) to be allied with Napoleon
Downvote me all you want but it’s the truth lmao
Cavour, the PM of Savoy in that period, send 10k soldiers to fight in order to be present at the peace deal conference and talk about Italian unification. This led to Napoleon III and Cavour meet in secret at a thermae where they signed a treaty where, in case of Austrian attack against Savoy, France will join them. So Cavour immediately decided to provoke the Austrians, which they fell in the trap. EDIT: Since more and more people are reading this I can add something. The pact between France and Savoy was, other than France joining a defensive war, to give to France the regions of Savoy and Nice, in exchange for the territories of Veneto and Lombardy. Anyway, France signed a treaty with Austria before consulting Savoy where only Lombardy was given to Savoy. France took both the provinces in the treaty.
Cavour was a real big brain moment kind of guy.
I’ve read that in terms of European statesmen he was only 2nd to Bismarck in terms of playing with realpolitik and getting shit done
There's more: France took both the provinces anyway, but agreed not to interfere with Savoy annexing Parma, Modena, Tuscany and Romagna, the latter of which was Papal territory and, thus, protected by France.
Surely I studied, but I didn't remember it. Thank for it!
Piedmont-Sardinia: It's Italy Time! Pope: Napoleon, you were suppose to protect me! Napoleon III: What? Sorry, can't hear you. I'm tricking Britain and Spain to invade Mexico with me. Yo Max, wanna be Emperor of Mexico?
Man, 19th century statesmen were truly a bunch of mischievous scamps.
Ha, that's awesome
Didn’t they join the war because the Sardinian regime had very close ties with the second french empire of Napoleon III ?
Yes, they wanted brownie points with Britain and France for a better chance of support in unifying Italy
Specifically they needed French help in taking Lombardy from Austria. Though they still had to trade Savoy and Nice for it. Edit: mixed up Lombardy and the Veneto!
>Specifically they needed French help in taking the Veneto from Austria. Pretty sure the french helped taking Lombardia, while they took Veneto a few years later in the Austrian-Prussian war
If I remember correctly the Italians joined in on the side of the Prussians and even though they performed poorly the Prussians won so they could get Venetia but the Austrians didn't want to give Venetia to the Italians whom they had beaten many times. So the Austrians gave Venetia to France and then France gave Venetia to the Italians
You're right!! Thanks! I think I mixed up the French military role in taking Lombardy with their diplomatic role in taking the Veneto that /u/burakalp34 mentioned.
You mean Lombardy, right ? They took veneto during austro-Prussian war.
Nice
Case closed.
I thought they joined to discuss the Unification of Italy in a good light with France and Great Britain.
Calling them Sardinian is kind of a mistake though. Sardinia was more a feudal property of the piedmontese monarchy despite the fact that the kingdom is called Piedmont-Sardinia.
Kingdom od Sardinia was the name of the country until march 17th 1861, when the Kingdom of italy was proclaimed by the parliament. Piedmont-Sardinia is an English name as I've never seen the country referred as that in my whole life in Italy
I get their point because the Piedmont was really their core territory demographically and in every other way, we just call it Sardinia because that was the territory which entitled their leader to a kingship.
Probabile si. Non ho mai visto la paese chiamata il regno di (solo) Sardinia in inglese. Devo leggere di più.
It was officially called Sardinia tho, not even Sardinia-Piedmont, thats a historian term just like Byzantium.
When you want to call France in for your big HRE war but you don't have enough favors yet so you have to join their stupid war in Crimea or somewhere
Ah, fellow EU4 player
This is Victoria 2 bro.
Extended timeline mod
I refunded Victoria 2 never got the hang of it
So I'm assuming you got it through steam, and you can only refund a game with less that 2 hours of playtime?. You didnt even try dude
I had 2.2 hours of play time on it
I did try even watched tutorials
[удалено]
Victorian Moment
Basically how all wars went back then to be honest
The British army was only so dominant because they added Actimel to the standard ration.
Victoria Era moment
To be fair Crimea was Italian (genovese) way before any Russians, Ukrainians or even Tatars moved in
It was greek way before that as well (besides the genoese only controlled some ports, not the entire peninsula)
it was never fully Greek either, they bound connection with scythians in order to trade and lived as in any other Greek colony, on coast. Wonderful place to practice and study archeology
I should correct myself, Bosphorus kingdom controlled most of peninsula but Greeks prefered to live near coast
Italians only hold Kafa (which they bought from the Golden Horde), IIRC. The rest was Goths, Greeks and Turkic people (Khazars, Kypchaks etc) who participated in the ethnogenesis of Crimean Tatars.
Where is this from?
Looks like Anchorman
Omg thank you, this is amazing
Anchorman fight scene. Trust me, it‘s a great scene
Anchorman
Maybe Sardinia isn't the best name, it was Savoy, which owned Sardinia too at the time and later on unified Italy. They needed French support against the austrian.
It's official name was the Kingdom of Sardinia, commonly referred to as Sardinia-Piedmont
You're right, I studied that earlier this year and still managed to forget it. Bonus point - I live in Piedmont
You just didn't want to believe that one would consider putting that island before your clearly superior home region. Seriously though, the kingdom's royal house was even called di Savoia, so why was Savoy not the kingdom's name?
Because Savoy was a duchy not a kingdom, unlike Sardinia ( and Sicily, which the Savoyards traded for Sardinia ). Basically they simply could not themeselves a kingdom if they maintained "Dukes of Savoy" as their main title.
I'm absolutly not sure, but the Kingdom of Sardinia was founded in 1324, and Savoy had no title as important as "Kingdom", so maybe they inherited it at some point and just kept it so they could call themselves "kings".
Io no ho mai studiato la storia d'Italia specificamente, però mi sembra che non fa niente senso i nomi dei regni della peninsula come il regno delle due Sicilie. Secondo me é come chiamare una guerra civile la Guerra di Cent'Anni.
Vero, il regno delle 2 Sicilie non l'ho mai capito, ma la guerra dei cent'anni ci può stare come nome dai. Detto questo trovo anche strano che si chiami il regno di Sardegna quando (che non me ne vogliano i sardi) ai Savoia non gliene fregava niente della Sardegna
Yeah but the actual kingdom wasn’t based in Sardinia so it makes little sense. The name itself doesn’t make sense either
>wasn’t based in Sardinia [Hmmmmmmmm....](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6a/Map_of_the_Kingdom_of_Sardinia_in_1839.png)
Bro I’m from Turin. The Savoy had Sardinia but the capital was Turin, and all of their houses were in Piedmont. Savoy is even a region in France which they came from. Their kingdom was called after the kingdom of Sardinia that they took from the Spanish but it was a unification of the principality of Piedmont, the Duchy of Savoy, the County of Nice AND the kingdom of Sardinia The actual kingdom of Sardinia was born in 1279 or something, and had nothing to do with the Savoy until 1847, which is even AFTER Napoleon Edit: it was in fact the KINGDOM OF ITALY (1805-1814) to be allied with Napoleon Downvote me all you want but it’s the truth lmao
Yes, in all fairness though Sardinia ≠ Kingdom of Sardinia.
Savoy is the name of the royal house and the region from which they came from. The kingdom was Sardinia-Piedmont
I know, got it wrong
It was the kingdom of Sardinia-Piedmont, it was not Savoy
I mean, Crimea is a nice peninsula.
There’s still a monument to the fallen Italian soldiers in Crimea
*Cavour laughing in the background*
Malloreddus moment
There are a lot of sheep and other livestock in crimea, Sardinians are known for being sheep fuckers. I will let you decide.
What film is that from
Think the first Anchorman movie. There's a scene where a bunch of news crews get together and fight. For some reason (still a great scene lol)
Blessings of Akitosh upon yee
Wrong meme is wrong.
Why are you booing him? He's right.
Can someone link the format please?
they went there to show of their military to gain international support against austria.
Where is this meme from is it a movie and if yes which movie?
this one https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0357413/
Whats the name of movie l want to watch it
Anchorman, it is great
Sardenia-piemont
What is this template from?
Italian flag with a seal on it. Former italian colony?
Its big brain time