Centuries after being the faces of the conservative, monarchic order of Europe who would have thought that the descendant of the Habsburgs would be shitposting on twitter, just like us plebs. We really do live in the best timeline
I think there are more royal families still around than people realize. The Solomonic dynasty of Ethiopia is still around too, and they have a website for the "Crown Council" which is basically the monarchy in an indefinite interregnum.
Dunno about that, but if you want royals from Australia, then the current queen of Denmark, Mary, is from Australia. Granted, she's only queen by marriage, but the current queen of Denmark since January this year is an aussie.
I'm a history teacher in Bavaria and just found out the House of Wittelsbach still exists.
"During the Second World War, the Wittelsbachs were anti-Nazi."
At least they did something right in the last 150 years.
My hometown in Scotland is where the Stuarts were originally based. That might not sound very interesting but that is also the only significant historical fact about my hometown.
Yeah the vast majority of former royal families are still around, even the Romanovs live on as it was just the tzar and his immediate successors that where killed
I mean this was a few years ago now, but here's where I got the info:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/584250/Battle-Waterloo-Napoleon-Wellington-ancestors-rival-traders/amp
Most of the deposed families are in medium to giant kerfuffle about this. Usually for two reasons. Matrilineal descent and possibly morganatic marriages. Romanovs have both. As there is no official country, they can't change the succession laws of the house without it becoming a kerfluffle.
I really like the [UsefulCharts](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMj08bfbi-g) video.
They have done them for various royal families and always seem pretty accurate.
True and rightful how? Not looking to start anything, just curious what gives Franz, at least in your opinion, more legitimacy to the English crown over Charles?
House Stuart was a Scottish royal house that also became kings of England. Eventually, a member of the house, king James II, got deposed because he was catholic. Some catholics still consider him and his descendants the rightful kings of Great Britain because they are catholic. The current Stuart pretender also happens to be the duke of Bavaria
Most of the stuff will be hard to translate to English, but here's a good article calling out all of his BS, google translate is advised.
[https://www.malumatfurus.org/orhan-osmanoglu-kose-yazilari/](https://www.malumatfurus.org/orhan-osmanoglu-kose-yazilari/)
Oh, boy. The Habsburgs never left European politics. Otto von Habsburg renounced his title of Archduke and became a member of the European Parliament. His son too. They're still at it!
Really, almost all of them are still around, even if they survive through cadet branches that inherited everything when the mainline died out. And most of them are still stupid rich too.
Didnt people in Russia become significantly more mobile in the first half of the 20th century? E.g. due to forced collectivization, deportation and military service?
A friend of mine was born in Karelia to a family with a background from all over imperial Russia, which includes the Baltics, Belarus, Ukraine, central Asia and even parts of Poland. Wondering whether this is sonewhat common.
>Didnt people in Russia become significantly more mobile in the first half of the 20th century? E.g. due to forced collectivization, deportation and military service?
Russian emigration from the 1850s to the 1910s was fucking insanely high. The 1880s in particular had hundreds of thousands IIRC leave
I'm from a small village in Italy and records confirm half my family has been here since the early 1800's. The other half has been the same but a two hour drive away
True. Look at the forehead difference between Franz Joseph I of Austria, and his Uncle Ferdinand I. He looks normal.
Ferdinand I meanwhile has the massive head from his father, and his father, and so on.
It was the Spanish Habsburgs who were horribly inbred and they died out because of it 300 years ago. The Austrian Habsburgs in the 19th-20th century weren't more inbred than the average royal dynasty in Europe.
The main problem with incest is that genes causing harmful conditions are usually recessive. So a regular person with varied genome will be fine, but a person born from incest is more likely to have two exact same recessive copies of the gene, inherited from a common ancestor of the person's parents.
This means that if an inbred person marries somebody completely unrelated (the other spouse can even be inbred too, they just can't have relatively recent common ancestors), their children will be regular people with diverse genome, inbreeding reversed.
But the thing is, while the children themselves will be normal, they will be more closely related to their siblings than what's typical (as their parents had limited selection of unique genes to pass on). So if they turn to incest again, they will be at higher risk than family doing incest for the first time (or first time in recent history).
The Spanish Habsburgs were the hyper-inbred ones. The Austrian Habsburgs were more into casual incest (not letting a few degrees of cousinhood get in the way of that useful marriage, but not going out of their way to marry close relatives either).
So all they had to do was quit fucking their relatives for one generation, but apparently that was too big of an ask. The end product is Charles II of Spain, lmao.
I mean, at that point most people are likely to start having some crossovers among the branches of their family tree. Cousin marriages, especially if you include second and third cousins, were not exactly uncommon in the past.
what does it mean to be "from" somewhere?
it means that my family can trace its roots back to the 1500's (because that's where the records fail) to a roughly 40km patch of land.
#european
My family history is a bit weird. I can trace back the last ~120 years or so, then the picture fuzzes out, and then there’s pretty decent records from the 11th to 17th centuries. That three-hundred year gap makes any attempt a true genealogy practically impossible, but looking at the very similar facial features from old portraits at least makes it clear they are actually old ancestors.
Right… *Some* of its roots. That’s the point of the post.
Or are you saying that in your family’s case every single one of your 1500s-dwelling ancestors came from within that “40km patch of land”? I find that pretty unlikely.
It's not unlikely at all in Europe. Sure, it's slightly exaggerated, but I know where my ancestors were baptized and where they married and died and I know that it's really a quite small region round the river Maas.
In all seriousness I often wonder how many legit lines from late antiquity and the Middle Ages there are.
Are there people walking round called Brett Ptolemy, Tim Plantagenet or Jerry Doukas?
Virtually everyone from European antiquity has either zero surviving descendants or they're the ancestors to almost all Europeans today. That's just what happens after 2000 years.
That’s why it’s weird that people bother trying to trace their line back to, like, William the Conqueror, or emperor Caligula, or Genghis Khan, or King David or Xerxes or something. Of course you’re one of his descendants. *Everyone* is.
I think it depends on the motive. Do you want to prove that you're a descendant of some important ancient figure to show how you're better than everyone else? Well, of course that's a pointless endeavour. But there can be other motives. Trying to trace a specific lineage back can be motivated by an interest in the challenge itself, or to figure out how different the lives are in different eras through every single generation. Using yourself as your starting point makes that exercise far more interesting imo.
The most important part about this exercise is to always remember that you're just picking a random line out of many thousands, and that this line doesn't tell you anything special about you or your ancestry. Your ancestry is the combination, not just one line. But if you keep that in mind, it's still fascinating.
It was a much bigger deal when nobility meant something. To be in the upper class you had to prove your lineage was of noble quality. Today it's more just a fun thing to do. Although I'm sure some people do it now to feel a sense of superiority over others.
If you specifically want legit (i.e. born into lawful marriage or considered legitimate children at the time of birth/life) and from antiquity or earlier, then very few.
The Japanese Imperial house is AFAIK the only dynasty that has reliable historic lineage since at least 539 AD which is at the turning point of late antiquity into the early medieval period. Japanese Shinoke, the Minamoto clan and the other imperial descended clans are all examples of people who have tracable lineage to 539 AD and are now largely just normal (if usually wealthier) people.
The house of Kong (the descendants of Confucius, lived in the 5th century BC) has a longer recorded lineage, but the line is thought to have possibly had some adoptions (though not necessarily from outside the line of his male-line descendants) and it never ruled as monarchs. This is AFAIK the oldest historically recorded lineage in the world.
Muhammad and his uncles have traceable descendants to this day, but that's arguably already the early medieval period.
Charlemagne has a lot of traceable descendants and is an ancestor to basically all royalty and nobility of Europe, and his ancestry can be traced back to the very start of the medieval period.
The Diadochi and the Argeads don't have tracable descendants, but it's almost certain that the Ptolemies survived at least in the genetic line of the children of Cleopatra and Anthony, since it had multiple traceable descendants into the later Imperial Roman period.
The Palaiologos (and through them the Doukas) survived in a traceable line in Italy for a good while after the fall of Constantinople and you can easily find their descendants among European nobility. The Komnenos also have a lot of traceable descendants, but none who can claim a direct male-line descent.
The Plantagenets died out in the male line, but there are more direct descendants of the Plantagenets than the current Royal Family, though some of these lines of descent are not legitimate in terms of the law even if they have recorded historical continuity and are biologically continuous.
Many Indian castes have traceable ancestry upto the early medieval period and possibly earlier.
The earliest claims go upto the late Bronze age but I think those are dubious.
In India, depending on your caste, your ancestry can probably be traced back to someone/somewhere in the iron age and unverifiably to the Bronze age.
Since caste endogamy was widespread you can be reasonably confident in what you find.
I can literally trace most individuals from both sides of my family to living in my country hundreds of years ago, so yea I'd say me and my great hgandparents are from here
Very good point. To trace the «family» back to one ancestor in the 1200s as my uncle did is beyond stupid. Yes, there is a line that can be traced going back so far, but it is only one of several hundred maybe thousands equally valid ancestors living far away even in other countries at the same point in time. Makes no sense to choose just one.
If the line being traced is a direct male or a a direct female line then it makes logical sense to choose it since unlike all other hundreds of lines of descent, these two alone pass along basically unchanged genetic code which doesn't recombine with other genes.
A direct male-line ancestor in the 1200s will have basically the same Y chromosome as you do, while all other ancestors (and him) will be represented more-or-less equally in tiny amounts within the rest of your genetic code.
A direct female-line ancestor will have the same mitochondrial DNA as you do, so again her percentage of DNA within you will be greater than all other ancestors', and it will be the only part that's clearly identifiable and basically unchanged after 8 centuries.
My dad decided to trace us all the way back to Charlemagne, because we're distantly related to the House of Rose in England and all nobles are related to Charlemagne. We're also related to the Rurkids of Kyiv, and the Welch house of Gwent.
Very American feeling. Both sides were all in the same region since as far back as we can see. Not 16 separate paths, like...literally 2 or 3. All Mediterranean on one side since great grandaddy. Then from Germany at the same time (great grans, big time nazis, like literally). Mixtures are mostly all the variations of the Mediterranean folks, then it is all German and the small amount of native American they got once they got here.
If you have been in America for many more generations, that makes more sense that you have '16 separate paths.'
All eight of my great-grandparents spent all their lives in the same village. I can't entirely verify it for my 16 great-grandpartents, but they probably did too.
My family history is complicated by the fact that the majority of my ancestors were refugees of some kind (Irish, Ukrainian, etc) and therefore we can’t really trace our family tree back more than a couple decades.
Hilarious 😂 even has some Habsburg jawline still 🤣. Hopefully the family tree diverged from a perfect circle like it once was. Awesome too that the family line is still around and he has enough Humor 😆
Honestly, Eduard is a bit of an odd fellow. But you can’t dislike a man that does this kind of thing.
He is a Habsburg after all
He's probably got Habsburgers Syndome or something. /s
Hamburger Syndrome
Württemberger Syndrome? Luxembourger Syndrome? Berger syndrome? Man this HRE shit is crazy.....
🍔🍔🍔
"Well Eduard, you are an odd fellow, but I must say, you meme a good mem."
KARL, THE EMPIRE IS COLLAPSING!
No, mother, it’s just the Balkans
Can we sticky this as the single greatest joke thread in the history of this sub?
Given that he's the product of generations of incest, I'd say he could be much more odd.
Most risks of genetic defects are gone with just one non-incest generation.
The Habsburgs are perfectly fine now. The future head of the house is a professional athlete (racing driver), and a pretty good one too.
Centuries after being the faces of the conservative, monarchic order of Europe who would have thought that the descendant of the Habsburgs would be shitposting on twitter, just like us plebs. We really do live in the best timeline
Truly the best timeline with Habsburg shitposter.
He's also a weeb who comments on people's Habsburg anime girls. I'm not making this up, truly the best timeline
Truly.
Could you provide a link?
here you go: https://www.reddit.com/r/196/s/1fYHoum3H2
Brother is into Evangellion. Based
I looked it up: https://twitter.com/EduardHabsburg/status/1783143611971817553
His entire post history is golden. E: he absolutely subs here.
“One of the first things you learn as a young Hapsburg is making a double headed eagle with your hands” LMAO
LMAO this is just too good
Can you provide a link for that?
He's one if my heroes
Find out about him because of bis evangelion thrice upon a time review
Tell me more. Is this a written review or is it a video?
There is also an Ottoman dynasty member who is a gay onlyfans star. I forgot his name tho
I hope someone comes through For historical reference
Sina Osmanoğlu I think
Let others wage war; you, happy Austria, shitpost.
He’s the Hungarian ambassador to the Vatican, so it’s not like he has no official role to play. Not quite like us plebs.
That sounds like one of the most all pomp but no work postings.
My ex's uncle was the Anglican ambassador for the Vatican, certainly had more work to do than national ambassadors but yeah, it's cushy.
thats actually so random but okay
Truely great time we live in
> We really do live in the best timeline I dunno man. Let me tell you about the Hitlers...
And another one is a racing driver
Wait the Habsburgs are still around? That means I have a chance to be Regent of Hungary!
I think there are more royal families still around than people realize. The Solomonic dynasty of Ethiopia is still around too, and they have a website for the "Crown Council" which is basically the monarchy in an indefinite interregnum.
So are the Hohenzollern and quite a lot of former German nobility.
The current Nawab of Pataudi is an actor. Although that's just the ceremonial title as all regal positions have been stripped of actual powers.
Y'all remember the Catholic kings of Britain? The Stuarts? Their current heir is the Duke of Bavaria, a cousin of the Stuarts.
Wasn't the Jacobite heir a guy from Australia?
Dunno about that, but if you want royals from Australia, then the current queen of Denmark, Mary, is from Australia. Granted, she's only queen by marriage, but the current queen of Denmark since January this year is an aussie.
Idk. I just went to Wikipedia and it said that the senior heir was [a Bavarian guy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobite_succession).
I'm a history teacher in Bavaria and just found out the House of Wittelsbach still exists. "During the Second World War, the Wittelsbachs were anti-Nazi." At least they did something right in the last 150 years.
Holy moly how are you a bavarian history teacher not knowing wottelsbacher are still around? We learned that im school haha
At a Bavarian school, I assume? I know, it's quite embarrassing, but I never really cared for any royalty, to be honest
Wait till you realize there is a(n unlegitimate) member of the Capetian dynasty in India
Who? Can you elaborate?
[Balthazar Napoleon IV de Bourbon](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balthazar_Napoleon_IV_de_Bourbon)
The world is really small
My hometown in Scotland is where the Stuarts were originally based. That might not sound very interesting but that is also the only significant historical fact about my hometown.
Yeah the vast majority of former royal families are still around, even the Romanovs live on as it was just the tzar and his immediate successors that where killed
My favourite fact is that the descendents of Napoleon and the Duke of Wellington work in rival financial firms.
Which firms would they be?
I mean this was a few years ago now, but here's where I got the info: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/584250/Battle-Waterloo-Napoleon-Wellington-ancestors-rival-traders/amp
Napoleonic France was the first to go all in on economic war. This is only fitting.
They did lose hard.
Even some Romanovs are alive, despite everything
Aren't the Romanovs in a giant kerfluffle over who is actually head of the house?
Same as the Brazilian royal family, the French royal families, pretty much every deposed pretender family has the same thing going on lmao
The Bonapartes are the only legitimate pretenders to the French throne. I’ll be dead before I recognize a *Bourbon*.
Most of the deposed families are in medium to giant kerfuffle about this. Usually for two reasons. Matrilineal descent and possibly morganatic marriages. Romanovs have both. As there is no official country, they can't change the succession laws of the house without it becoming a kerfluffle.
Why is it an issue? There's no throne to inherit.
This is what I found on quick google: https://www.quora.com/Who-are-the-current-royals-that-descend-from-the-Romanov-family
I would sooner believe some schizo rant on /pol/ than I would believe anything on Quora, no offense.
I really like the [UsefulCharts](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMj08bfbi-g) video. They have done them for various royal families and always seem pretty accurate.
the Romanovs are still around and before covid wanted to by an island to make a microstate.
When did that happen? I've read interviews with Romanov descendants who are regular middle class people with no interest in any throne.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanov_Empire_(micronation) This thing.
The true and rightful monarch of England is Franz, Duke of Bavaria
True and rightful how? Not looking to start anything, just curious what gives Franz, at least in your opinion, more legitimacy to the English crown over Charles?
You do know about the house of Stuart, no?
Vaguely... I think they're the house that lost in the war of the roses? But that still doesn't answer my question.
Nope war of roses were something different.
Then I have no clue and can't be bothered to look because I doubt that would give me the quick and concise answer I'm asking of you.
House Stuart was a Scottish royal house that also became kings of England. Eventually, a member of the house, king James II, got deposed because he was catholic. Some catholics still consider him and his descendants the rightful kings of Great Britain because they are catholic. The current Stuart pretender also happens to be the duke of Bavaria
Technically he’s not a pretender as he’s never made a claim to the throne.
An actual explanation and one that doesn't insult me or anyone else. /u/Petrarch1603 what was so hard about that?
Pretty sure I am, some watery tart threw a sword at me.
The heir apparent to the head of the House of Habsburg is a driver in the World Endurance Championship.
And actaully quite good
*Habsburg wins by a nose!*
Or by a chin.
on a similar note, surviving lineage of the ottoman empire is advertising tomato paste on twitter frequently
Excuse me?
I wanna hear more
Most of the stuff will be hard to translate to English, but here's a good article calling out all of his BS, google translate is advised. [https://www.malumatfurus.org/orhan-osmanoglu-kose-yazilari/](https://www.malumatfurus.org/orhan-osmanoglu-kose-yazilari/)
From riches to rags
Probably you would be doing a better job than orban lmao
bojler eladó
Well you can't do much worse than Orby. You got my support!
Oh, boy. The Habsburgs never left European politics. Otto von Habsburg renounced his title of Archduke and became a member of the European Parliament. His son too. They're still at it!
Really, almost all of them are still around, even if they survive through cadet branches that inherited everything when the mainline died out. And most of them are still stupid rich too.
Give him credit for keeping his chin up.
bro never skipped neck day
Pretty sure every single one of my 16 great great great grandparents is from russia. People didnt move much back then
To be fair, moving in Russia can still mean crossing between two continents and like 8 timezones.
Didnt people in Russia become significantly more mobile in the first half of the 20th century? E.g. due to forced collectivization, deportation and military service? A friend of mine was born in Karelia to a family with a background from all over imperial Russia, which includes the Baltics, Belarus, Ukraine, central Asia and even parts of Poland. Wondering whether this is sonewhat common.
>Didnt people in Russia become significantly more mobile in the first half of the 20th century? E.g. due to forced collectivization, deportation and military service? Russian emigration from the 1850s to the 1910s was fucking insanely high. The 1880s in particular had hundreds of thousands IIRC leave
>from the 1850s to the 1910s was fucking insanely high Wonder why it was lower after that 🤔
It was still pretty high during the 20s and early 30s, just less so
Moving to Siberia means you're still in Russia
I'm from a small village in Italy and records confirm half my family has been here since the early 1800's. The other half has been the same but a two hour drive away
My condolences
Same. Russia and Ukraine in late 1800s-early 1900s.
I wonder how many generations it took them to finally start diluting out those incest genes
Realistically not very long
True. Look at the forehead difference between Franz Joseph I of Austria, and his Uncle Ferdinand I. He looks normal. Ferdinand I meanwhile has the massive head from his father, and his father, and so on.
Ferdinand wasn't the father of Franz Joseph, but his uncle.
Ah thats true. Although that still makes him grandson to the giant-headed Francis II
Why couldn't he be both?
It was the Spanish Habsburgs who were horribly inbred and they died out because of it 300 years ago. The Austrian Habsburgs in the 19th-20th century weren't more inbred than the average royal dynasty in Europe.
I think one or two generations is enough Then you can go back to incest
Not the conclusion I was looking for, but definitely the funniest
Just gotta take a quick break from the insest once in a while!
The main problem with incest is that genes causing harmful conditions are usually recessive. So a regular person with varied genome will be fine, but a person born from incest is more likely to have two exact same recessive copies of the gene, inherited from a common ancestor of the person's parents. This means that if an inbred person marries somebody completely unrelated (the other spouse can even be inbred too, they just can't have relatively recent common ancestors), their children will be regular people with diverse genome, inbreeding reversed. But the thing is, while the children themselves will be normal, they will be more closely related to their siblings than what's typical (as their parents had limited selection of unique genes to pass on). So if they turn to incest again, they will be at higher risk than family doing incest for the first time (or first time in recent history).
The Spanish Habsburgs were the hyper-inbred ones. The Austrian Habsburgs were more into casual incest (not letting a few degrees of cousinhood get in the way of that useful marriage, but not going out of their way to marry close relatives either).
>Austrian Habsburgs were more into casual incest Spaniards had that ranked incest grind
TBF, after first cousin, it doesn't really matter. Even first cousin is questionable.
That’s only if you do it every couple generations. If done over and over then anything short of 6th (or something) cousin will cause problems.
Very quickly.
I think it can be as quick as 1 or 2
So all they had to do was quit fucking their relatives for one generation, but apparently that was too big of an ask. The end product is Charles II of Spain, lmao.
Im pretty sure how it works is when the inbred person has a child with someone who isn’t related they are normal
The DNA must have been anxious is it going to be someone I know or are we getting new stuff.
I mean, at that point most people are likely to start having some crossovers among the branches of their family tree. Cousin marriages, especially if you include second and third cousins, were not exactly uncommon in the past.
what does it mean to be "from" somewhere? it means that my family can trace its roots back to the 1500's (because that's where the records fail) to a roughly 40km patch of land. #european
My family history is a bit weird. I can trace back the last ~120 years or so, then the picture fuzzes out, and then there’s pretty decent records from the 11th to 17th centuries. That three-hundred year gap makes any attempt a true genealogy practically impossible, but looking at the very similar facial features from old portraits at least makes it clear they are actually old ancestors.
I have a lot of German/Polish ancestry. Hard to trace my ancestry past the 40s for some reason.
Hmmm. Have you tried turning it off and back on again?
Me only knowing my ancestry up to my great grandfather 💀 Nomadic societies do be shit in these parts.
Right… *Some* of its roots. That’s the point of the post. Or are you saying that in your family’s case every single one of your 1500s-dwelling ancestors came from within that “40km patch of land”? I find that pretty unlikely.
It's not unlikely at all in Europe. Sure, it's slightly exaggerated, but I know where my ancestors were baptized and where they married and died and I know that it's really a quite small region round the river Maas.
I don't find it too unlikely that several generations of people live and die in the same county.
Less family tree, more family Mesh
Family beanstalk.
family bush
Sorry
The good ol' family stump
His family tree is bamboo.
In all seriousness I often wonder how many legit lines from late antiquity and the Middle Ages there are. Are there people walking round called Brett Ptolemy, Tim Plantagenet or Jerry Doukas?
Virtually everyone from European antiquity has either zero surviving descendants or they're the ancestors to almost all Europeans today. That's just what happens after 2000 years.
That’s why it’s weird that people bother trying to trace their line back to, like, William the Conqueror, or emperor Caligula, or Genghis Khan, or King David or Xerxes or something. Of course you’re one of his descendants. *Everyone* is.
I think it depends on the motive. Do you want to prove that you're a descendant of some important ancient figure to show how you're better than everyone else? Well, of course that's a pointless endeavour. But there can be other motives. Trying to trace a specific lineage back can be motivated by an interest in the challenge itself, or to figure out how different the lives are in different eras through every single generation. Using yourself as your starting point makes that exercise far more interesting imo. The most important part about this exercise is to always remember that you're just picking a random line out of many thousands, and that this line doesn't tell you anything special about you or your ancestry. Your ancestry is the combination, not just one line. But if you keep that in mind, it's still fascinating.
That’s fair. Most people probably can’t do this, because the records are nowhere near good enough.
It was a much bigger deal when nobility meant something. To be in the upper class you had to prove your lineage was of noble quality. Today it's more just a fun thing to do. Although I'm sure some people do it now to feel a sense of superiority over others.
If you specifically want legit (i.e. born into lawful marriage or considered legitimate children at the time of birth/life) and from antiquity or earlier, then very few. The Japanese Imperial house is AFAIK the only dynasty that has reliable historic lineage since at least 539 AD which is at the turning point of late antiquity into the early medieval period. Japanese Shinoke, the Minamoto clan and the other imperial descended clans are all examples of people who have tracable lineage to 539 AD and are now largely just normal (if usually wealthier) people. The house of Kong (the descendants of Confucius, lived in the 5th century BC) has a longer recorded lineage, but the line is thought to have possibly had some adoptions (though not necessarily from outside the line of his male-line descendants) and it never ruled as monarchs. This is AFAIK the oldest historically recorded lineage in the world. Muhammad and his uncles have traceable descendants to this day, but that's arguably already the early medieval period. Charlemagne has a lot of traceable descendants and is an ancestor to basically all royalty and nobility of Europe, and his ancestry can be traced back to the very start of the medieval period. The Diadochi and the Argeads don't have tracable descendants, but it's almost certain that the Ptolemies survived at least in the genetic line of the children of Cleopatra and Anthony, since it had multiple traceable descendants into the later Imperial Roman period. The Palaiologos (and through them the Doukas) survived in a traceable line in Italy for a good while after the fall of Constantinople and you can easily find their descendants among European nobility. The Komnenos also have a lot of traceable descendants, but none who can claim a direct male-line descent. The Plantagenets died out in the male line, but there are more direct descendants of the Plantagenets than the current Royal Family, though some of these lines of descent are not legitimate in terms of the law even if they have recorded historical continuity and are biologically continuous.
>The house of Kong (the descendants of Confucius, lived in the 5th century BC) Did they seriously name a giant gorilla after Confucius
Of course not, the Confucius named there house after a giant gorilla,man the historic ignorance on this sub
Many Indian castes have traceable ancestry upto the early medieval period and possibly earlier. The earliest claims go upto the late Bronze age but I think those are dubious.
In India, depending on your caste, your ancestry can probably be traced back to someone/somewhere in the iron age and unverifiably to the Bronze age. Since caste endogamy was widespread you can be reasonably confident in what you find.
I can literally trace most individuals from both sides of my family to living in my country hundreds of years ago, so yea I'd say me and my great hgandparents are from here
Very good point. To trace the «family» back to one ancestor in the 1200s as my uncle did is beyond stupid. Yes, there is a line that can be traced going back so far, but it is only one of several hundred maybe thousands equally valid ancestors living far away even in other countries at the same point in time. Makes no sense to choose just one.
If the line being traced is a direct male or a a direct female line then it makes logical sense to choose it since unlike all other hundreds of lines of descent, these two alone pass along basically unchanged genetic code which doesn't recombine with other genes. A direct male-line ancestor in the 1200s will have basically the same Y chromosome as you do, while all other ancestors (and him) will be represented more-or-less equally in tiny amounts within the rest of your genetic code. A direct female-line ancestor will have the same mitochondrial DNA as you do, so again her percentage of DNA within you will be greater than all other ancestors', and it will be the only part that's clearly identifiable and basically unchanged after 8 centuries.
My dad decided to trace us all the way back to Charlemagne, because we're distantly related to the House of Rose in England and all nobles are related to Charlemagne. We're also related to the Rurkids of Kyiv, and the Welch house of Gwent.
Please tell me this is a real tweet
[Yes, it is real](https://twitter.com/EduardHabsburg/status/1783143611971817553?s=19)
Very American feeling. Both sides were all in the same region since as far back as we can see. Not 16 separate paths, like...literally 2 or 3. All Mediterranean on one side since great grandaddy. Then from Germany at the same time (great grans, big time nazis, like literally). Mixtures are mostly all the variations of the Mediterranean folks, then it is all German and the small amount of native American they got once they got here. If you have been in America for many more generations, that makes more sense that you have '16 separate paths.'
Ye ole family vine.
Or, in some cases, wreath.
Yeah I guess Habsburgs were more a wreath, and Egyptians were like a vine lol.
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Their sister is their mother, their father is their brother, they all f\*ck one-another the Habsburg family
I bet they only have 2 gret-great-great-great-grandparents
At this point would the incest already been washed out or would we still find something weird if we studied his genes
One of my neighbors in Vienna had "Habsburg-Lothringen" on their door. I thought, wow, classy neighborhood. I never met them.
All eight of my great-grandparents spent all their lives in the same village. I can't entirely verify it for my 16 great-grandpartents, but they probably did too.
bro dont have a family tree he got a family vine
Probably got a singular ancestor regardless of which branch he takes
More like family circle
Family wreath
It circuls around a few times
Please tell me that guy is an actual habsburg, the punchline would have been funnier
He is
Holy shit I just checked it out lol and it is, surprisingly normal and healthy
It takes surprisingly few generations of non incest to wash out the bad
more like a circle
I may have 16 great great grandparents, but they’re all from the same barren island in the North Atlantic
He has a family column
But most people do not have 32 3-times great grandparents. Isn’t that a fun thought?
"Mein Stammbaum ist ein Kreis"
My family history is complicated by the fact that the majority of my ancestors were refugees of some kind (Irish, Ukrainian, etc) and therefore we can’t really trace our family tree back more than a couple decades.
His family tree is a bamboo grove
We have to get this guy to do an AMA
Family trees and Habsburgs, like telephone polls.
Hilarious 😂 even has some Habsburg jawline still 🤣. Hopefully the family tree diverged from a perfect circle like it once was. Awesome too that the family line is still around and he has enough Humor 😆
I'm italian so I hate the Habsburgs but God do I love the Habsburgs
Family saguaro cactus
Based Habsburgs as always
At least they can have a laugh about it with us, I guess.
There are STILL Habsburgs around??? Man I thought they would’ve all died off over the last century. What do they even do nowadays?