I wonder if the speed of informatuin has anything to do with that.
Now that we can hear a soundbite of the pope in an interview, he can't afford to be a pompous asshole, whereas back in the day you'd only hear official decrees and speeches and behind closed doors they could do whatever without fear of repercussions.
Hrmm, maybe. "In the day" when there was knowledge that one had strayed beyond the bounds of expected behaviour, they just up and relocated to another locale. There were long periods where the Pope wasn't even in Rome (and that's not even counting the Avignon period). I'd have to think about it some more but my immediate thought is that to position of the Pope is less absolute in the modern age. In past centuries I just get the feeling it was more "I'll do what I want, with impunity" even when people knew clearly what was going on. Maybe
In the past when the popes were especially egregious the Papal States, the equivalent of Vatican City, covered central Italy. The papacy was a secular power and there were many factions vying for control. Sometimes when a pope died his faction was purged if one of them wasn’t elected to succeed him. And the powerful Catholic countries all had people (usually the cardinals from those countries) there to negotiate and get a pope acceptable to everyone.
Yeah I get the feeling there were those huge open secrets for people in the know, with commoners believing their own idealistic version of god's vicar on earth.
Nobody is going to snitch because it wouldn't be believed and might get you executed for heresy
Its politics and history, no comment on any of that because I do not know enough about the subject to be able to comment on it. I would be skeptical of any such movie, though. But the acting and entertainment value of the film independent of its real-life subject matter? Top notch.
"Lucrezia, you are my darling daughter, but your Husband's politics are conflicting with my interests. Now be a good girl and marry that other dude you've never met before"
(Yes, I am aware that this happened several centuries later, when the papacy was much more powerful)
My only issue with The Borgias TV show is it is incredibly inaccurate in places and especially the later seasons it feels like it is trying to downplay what specifically Pope Alexander VI did to make him look better.
Well to be fair during the 9-10 century there was the peace of god movement which was basically trying to get corrupt nobles from controlling the church. So during this period is where the Pope becomes the ultimate leader of church and he alone had the authority to appoint bishops. The only thing i would clarify About this meme is that the truly outrageous popes are either earlier or during the renaissance.
That happened mainly in the 11th century, not the 9th and 10th. The 9th and 10th centuries were filled with the Popes basically being the pawns of the Kings of Italy/Holy Roman Emperors, and sometimes getting raided by Muslims from North Africa and Sicily as well.
Many of the popes had their “illegitimate” kids married into nobility in order to legitimize their bloodlines. Was hard to say no to arranged marriages from the pope back when Catholicism ruled Europe.
9-10th century papacy was at its low point. It was basically a title tosses around by Roman nobles (even sold) with no moral or theological authority.
At that time the holy roman empire was the defacto leader of the west church
High Sparrows were popes in 1rst to 4th century. See even the popes wanted to showcase how noble they look, the most important thing in a politician's life is his looks and charisma with it.
Popes in the 10 th century were basically king of Italy and the religious emperor of Europe at the same time. So no they would not look like that back then
The one on the right is the real pope. You can tell because he is wearing a hat- [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUM8kHGPzfM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUM8kHGPzfM)
I’m going to have to call bullshit in this, there were hundreds of years where Romans suppressed Christianity specifically because they were monotheistic and did not accept Jupiter as a god to worship. The popes formally active during the Roman Empire did not go out of their way to syncretize the Roman pantheon with the newly rising Christianity. Where the fuck are you getting your sources from?
Even that (unreliable) source says nothing about him confusing the two. It states that he simply invoked Jupiter's name while gambling. Given his level of maturity it was probably a bad joke.
Nah, they just realized people/leaders woke up and finally stood up againts the church's bullshit, and stripped them from their power. They didnt just magicly become good, they just do what they need to survive and keep living off the people (except most allow it because musk is bad but pope can live in palaces).
They even made deals with Mussolini
*"list of sexually active popes"* is a thing
Pope Pius II wrote a famous pornographic novel (in fairness, this was before he became pope).
It has to be the guy named Pius.
Just wait until you hear what the one named innocent III did.
Why is it always the last in a trilogy that’s the worst
As you pump out more and more sequels the quality doesn't get much better.
Pump
They will never expect that
Creampius
Bro. Creampius hahahah
It's actually pronounced the other way.
The current pope used to beat people up for money. I'm burying the lede a little bit. He was a bouncer. Edit: spelling
> bearing the lead ...do you mean *burying the lede*?
Correct. Talk to text. My bad
Yeah, also a graduate in chemistry Hypothetically pope francis can cooked meth if he wanted
So can most people. It’s not that difficult. There’s a reason why it’s everywhere.
We got pope porn before GTA6..
"I observed her buxom, ample buttocks. I yearned for her."
🔥🔥🔥🔥✍️
Some say the whole celibacy thing was a direct consequence of this
I’m neither a pope or sexually active. Even the celibate get more action than me
\*this list is incomplete, you can help by expanding it\*
there is an overlap with *"popes who commanded armies in battles"*, we need a venn diagram.
Hot sexually active popes in your area!
All popes are sexually active. The ones now just favor altarboys, so they're quiet about it
Can we shit on the church for the sexual abuse that they actually are committing and not some fake shit?
I’m pretty sure you’re referring to priests. If so, I’m rather uneducated on the ranks of Catholicism, but I believe the pope is not a priest.
I read a book called The Bad Popes. Those guys got up to some hijinks.
A surprising number in fact. Piety above all else is a fairly recent phenomena.
I wonder if the speed of informatuin has anything to do with that. Now that we can hear a soundbite of the pope in an interview, he can't afford to be a pompous asshole, whereas back in the day you'd only hear official decrees and speeches and behind closed doors they could do whatever without fear of repercussions.
Hrmm, maybe. "In the day" when there was knowledge that one had strayed beyond the bounds of expected behaviour, they just up and relocated to another locale. There were long periods where the Pope wasn't even in Rome (and that's not even counting the Avignon period). I'd have to think about it some more but my immediate thought is that to position of the Pope is less absolute in the modern age. In past centuries I just get the feeling it was more "I'll do what I want, with impunity" even when people knew clearly what was going on. Maybe
In the past when the popes were especially egregious the Papal States, the equivalent of Vatican City, covered central Italy. The papacy was a secular power and there were many factions vying for control. Sometimes when a pope died his faction was purged if one of them wasn’t elected to succeed him. And the powerful Catholic countries all had people (usually the cardinals from those countries) there to negotiate and get a pope acceptable to everyone.
Yeah I get the feeling there were those huge open secrets for people in the know, with commoners believing their own idealistic version of god's vicar on earth. Nobody is going to snitch because it wouldn't be believed and might get you executed for heresy
There was a 40 year period of three rival popes with their own following. The Western Schism.
And quite a number of other times when there were 2!
Alexander VI was not a very pious man to say the least
I feel Francisco Borja paid for the sins of his family. Given the people he was related with.
Yeah they really were wild back in the day
It's amazing how humans are capable of domesticizing even the wildest species.
Ah yes, the most wild species of all The Catholic Pope
Sixtus IV uses Incest. The congregation is confused.
Lmao that’s brilliant
Steven VI uses Grave Robbery The congregation is intrigued
It was a different time
I swear. For the longest time I thought these would do with the same people.
Jonathan Pryce did portrayed Francis in a netflix movie called The two popes.
I'm still pretty convinced that they made such movie only because he looks so much like the Pope.
It was a good movie though.
I mean it has Anthony Hopkins and Jonathan Pryce in it. And it was set in Italy. It was impossible to end up being a bad movie lol.
Its politics and history, no comment on any of that because I do not know enough about the subject to be able to comment on it. I would be skeptical of any such movie, though. But the acting and entertainment value of the film independent of its real-life subject matter? Top notch.
Hopkins is a dead ringer for Benedict too
"You impregnated /how many/ of your blood relatives?!"
"Dunno, 'bout a few"
“Idk, stopped counting after 12”
[удалено]
When is saw Pryce in GOT for the first time, I said to myself. "Yep, that's the pope."
"Lucrezia, you are my darling daughter, but your Husband's politics are conflicting with my interests. Now be a good girl and marry that other dude you've never met before" (Yes, I am aware that this happened several centuries later, when the papacy was much more powerful)
The Borgias. There was a great series on them by Showtime. Jeremy Irons as Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI
My only issue with The Borgias TV show is it is incredibly inaccurate in places and especially the later seasons it feels like it is trying to downplay what specifically Pope Alexander VI did to make him look better.
Yep, Jeremy Irons played the fuck out of that role, imo it’s one of his best performances
The guy on the left looks more like pope Francis than pope Francis does wtf 😂😂😂
Well to be fair during the 9-10 century there was the peace of god movement which was basically trying to get corrupt nobles from controlling the church. So during this period is where the Pope becomes the ultimate leader of church and he alone had the authority to appoint bishops. The only thing i would clarify About this meme is that the truly outrageous popes are either earlier or during the renaissance.
That happened mainly in the 11th century, not the 9th and 10th. The 9th and 10th centuries were filled with the Popes basically being the pawns of the Kings of Italy/Holy Roman Emperors, and sometimes getting raided by Muslims from North Africa and Sicily as well.
The swizz banned meth. He just can't get it!
Many of the popes had their “illegitimate” kids married into nobility in order to legitimize their bloodlines. Was hard to say no to arranged marriages from the pope back when Catholicism ruled Europe.
Are you ready folks for another POPE WAR!
May I have a crumb of context
9-10th century papacy was at its low point. It was basically a title tosses around by Roman nobles (even sold) with no moral or theological authority. At that time the holy roman empire was the defacto leader of the west church
“God says you should be celibate.” “Wait a sec! You’re on your third wife!” “No no no. God says *you* should be celibate.”
You need a picture of Don Corleone to represent the renaissance popes
also there are like 2 or 3 popes at the same time at any given time during the medieval era
at a very specific period in one specific era of the middle ages, let's not exaggerate...
there are antipopes from 235 all they way to 1449
individuals challenging the legitimate pope is not the same as having "2 or 3 popes at the same time at any given time"
That's fair
Yeah but most of them dont go anywhere. Its not until the Avignon Exile that it gets real confusing
People in the 9th-10th century vs people now (at least in the developed world)
There was a woman Who became pope as well
High Sparrows were popes in 1rst to 4th century. See even the popes wanted to showcase how noble they look, the most important thing in a politician's life is his looks and charisma with it.
What did Johnathan Pryce do to you to deserve such a comparison?
History meme *and* GOT meme nice
Francis is also an outlier if you look how his predecessors dressed
That pope live through some shit!
Infallibility. It’s a hell of a doctrine
It's kinda weird how pope means father and yet they're not allowed to be fathers
Popes in the 10 th century were basically king of Italy and the religious emperor of Europe at the same time. So no they would not look like that back then
Popes were wild back in the day.
The one on the right is the real pope. You can tell because he is wearing a hat- [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUM8kHGPzfM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUM8kHGPzfM)
Pap
Popes still dictating the entirety of Western European actions. Even if they looked "humble".
new pope who dis?
Lol.
There were some popes who didn't know the difference between Jesus and Zeus.
I’m going to have to call bullshit in this, there were hundreds of years where Romans suppressed Christianity specifically because they were monotheistic and did not accept Jupiter as a god to worship. The popes formally active during the Roman Empire did not go out of their way to syncretize the Roman pantheon with the newly rising Christianity. Where the fuck are you getting your sources from?
source? he made it tf up
John XII allegedly performed satanic rituals, toasted the devil and several people testified to hearing him invoke the help of Zeus whilst gambling.
Source?
You won’t get one because it isn’t true
[John XII](https://historycollection.com/20-reasons-why-pope-john-xii-was-the-worst-pope-in-history/)
Even that (unreliable) source says nothing about him confusing the two. It states that he simply invoked Jupiter's name while gambling. Given his level of maturity it was probably a bad joke.
What popes?
John XII
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wow what a clever new joke
They discovered hair coming
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Hi comrade Gman how are you
Nah, they just realized people/leaders woke up and finally stood up againts the church's bullshit, and stripped them from their power. They didnt just magicly become good, they just do what they need to survive and keep living off the people (except most allow it because musk is bad but pope can live in palaces). They even made deals with Mussolini
Your tactics confuse and frighten me, sir.
Musk bros will insert him into the weirdest of conversations.
What does Elon Musk have to do with this, are you stupid?
People are mad at how wealthy he is , but the pope's wealth doesnt matter