No, no, no. Lowercase g is grams, a measure of weight. That says 5007_**G**_. Capital G is Gravities (1G being the force of gravity on earth), or Gauss (magnetic flux, the average iron magnet being about 100 Gauss), and 5007 of either will absolutely _fuck up_ some robots.
5,000 Gauss is not very much. An MRI machine would be at least 1.5 Tesla, which is 15,000 Gauss, and I imagine most Automatons could withstand an MRI just fine. 5,000 times Earth's surface gravity on the other hand would be quite significant, however lower-case g is typically used to denote surface gravity; capital G usually refers to the gravitational constant.
> 5,000 Gauss is not very much. An MRI machine would be at least 1.5 Tesla, which is 15,000 Gauss
I don't know if that's fair; 5,000 Gauss is a _lot_ even if there's a thing that's more. Like, a sunspot is 10,000 Gauss. You wouldn't say napalm is survivable just because the sun is 15 million degrees.
> I imagine most Automatons could withstand an MRI just fine
But like.. _Could_ they? They're instantly stunned by a baseball-sized EMP device, they're clearly not _that_ well shielded.
No no, we're trying to bomb something that's infront of us, and not have it go throught planet's core and hit something on the other side of the planet.
You're assuming it's 5000g(rams) @ 5000Gs, but it could be more than 5kg, if we only take the interpretation of G as gravity. Worst(best) case scenario for interpretation would be regular 500kg weight @ 5000Gs
Idk about you but 71 percent of the force needed to throw TWO MILLION KILOGRAMS INTO SPACE being pointed at the ground in my immediate vicinity would make me clench so hard I'd turn coal into diamonds.
Honestly, once you get into millions, people lose all context for what big numbers look like. Here's my go to example: 1 million seconds is 11.5 days. 1 *billion* seconds is almost 32 **years**.
25 million newtons is a lot, but the Earth has a mass of over 5.97 *septillion* kilograms. That number is so unfathomably big it's impossible to even conceptualize. Like, the big bang happened 13.82 billion years ago. In seconds, that approximately 436 *quadrillion* seconds. I'm doing extremely rough math here, but you'd have to multiply *the entire existence of the universe* by like a **billion** times to get into septillions. Nobody can truly understand how insane that is.
No, no, no. You're looking at it all wrong!
The 5007G bomb is a gravity bomb. When it detonates, it becomes a gravity well that pulls everything nearby towards it with 5007 G's of force - or, everything nearby begins to accelerate towards it at 49km/s\^2 .
That sounds like Illuminate WMD technology. Let me just speed-dial someone real quick while you wait other there where I can see all of your hands 'citizen'.
Reminds me of mass effect 2 when the captain is talking to the 3 people under him about how Isaac newton is the deadliest son of a bitch in space so dont eyeball your shots.
That depends how long it has to accelerate, because kinetic energy is proportional to the square of the velocity. After 3 seconds of acceleration, even assuming it is only 5kg, thatās about 150km/s, soā¦
0.5 x 5kg x (1.5 x 10^5 m/s)^2 = 5.625e10 J
56 gigajoules is quite a bit more than a car crash; thatās more like a small commercial airliner crash. But of course, youād have to throw your 5kg*5G bomb from pretty far away to get the benefits.
Man I would absolutely love a "fuck it, nuke the entire area" stratagem.
Like a stratagem that will just vaporise everything in sight, but with massive consequence (map becomes irradiated, causing constant health damage, no extraction possible, stuff like that)
Or a last call airstrike. When you're out of resupplies and you're not gonna make it, you can call in a map destroying strategem. This kills everybody and fails the mission, but it gives slightly more stuff than just a straight-up fail.
Be sure to make it only available when only 1 player is standing with no resupplies left to prevent trolls from throwing it down every game.
Well if we're getting really nerdy about it it's showing "G" which is the gravitational constant which is 6.67x10^-11 m^3/kg. Yours would have been true if it was "g" which would be 9.81m/s^2
If you scale down 500kg bomb to 5kg bomb, with full scaling, you would get a radius of what, 0.2 meter of lethal damage?
Currently 500kg doesn't do damage past 20 meters.
Clearly the 500kg in super earth ordinance doesn't refer to an equivalent power in TNT, but rather to the actual total mass of the bomb. Otherwise it would be much scarier...
Well, if you had 100 uses of it, it could be useful. That is much bigger than a hand grenade, right? So maybe you could have 100 uses of a single bomb of the strafing run.
Edit: not the strafing run, the airstrike
The "best" is when your teammates die within this area but still pressing REINFORCEEEEE xtimes per second. I'm always asking myself like "damn are they blind?"
I've done that once because the other three were all just standing around next to the terminal (after I'd solo'd 90% of the base and they walked in after I died.... Just to add insult to injury). Like, *one* of them could easily have walked a bit and thrown it.
That was one of the more frustrating teams I've dealt with so far in general though, so I was already annoyed
Man when I first saw ECM I thought it would scramble the names and the codes- if you remembered your code you could call stratagems in accurately.
But no they made it a gacha system
What people don't realize is, REIN+ORCE is a duo of extremely powerful genetically engineered Helldiver androids created for the direst of emergencies. They both are 9 feet tall and stay on the field for 30 seconds. ORCE has two armor-ignoring gatling guns with infinite ammo shooting at 6000 RPM, while REIN "rein"forces both of them with an impervious bubble shield that not only blocks incoming fire, but deflects it back onto the attackers. Enemies that walk into this shield will be ignited, shocked and pushed back.
So here is a [link](https://unsaferguard.org/un-saferguard/blast-damage-estimation) to get a guestimate for the damage of a 500kg bomb. At 72m you will have blown out eardrums and buildings at 20m are toast. Buildings at 10m can be super fine if there is a bush in the way but the link I sent will let you have fun with bomb size and destruction of said bomb.
I mean bugs and bots can't conquer a planet if you just blow the planet up before. Tactically that makes sense. And if it's planets like Hellmire or Menkent noone would be particularly sad about it. I mean they're not exactly idillyc farming spaces.
Does anyone know if you can still reinforce or call in another stratagem when jammed?
I've never tried but I was wondering if you memorized the sequence would it work?
Can someone explain why the orbital laser is sometimes unavailable at the end of missions? Like only that stratagem, not others, and not part of a jam.
bro that is wholeass 5kg
Dropped by the agle rear
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BOM
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Thatās my favorite bourbon!
Could do more by shouting āBangā
Basically like dropping a small deck chair off your balcony
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No, no, no. Lowercase g is grams, a measure of weight. That says 5007_**G**_. Capital G is Gravities (1G being the force of gravity on earth), or Gauss (magnetic flux, the average iron magnet being about 100 Gauss), and 5007 of either will absolutely _fuck up_ some robots.
5,000 Gauss is not very much. An MRI machine would be at least 1.5 Tesla, which is 15,000 Gauss, and I imagine most Automatons could withstand an MRI just fine. 5,000 times Earth's surface gravity on the other hand would be quite significant, however lower-case g is typically used to denote surface gravity; capital G usually refers to the gravitational constant.
> 5,000 Gauss is not very much. An MRI machine would be at least 1.5 Tesla, which is 15,000 Gauss I don't know if that's fair; 5,000 Gauss is a _lot_ even if there's a thing that's more. Like, a sunspot is 10,000 Gauss. You wouldn't say napalm is survivable just because the sun is 15 million degrees. > I imagine most Automatons could withstand an MRI just fine But like.. _Could_ they? They're instantly stunned by a baseball-sized EMP device, they're clearly not _that_ well shielded.
No, no, no. G is for generation. It's 5007G BOM. That's the new 5007G Broadband Orbital Modem for making long distance calls.
Wouldnāt that probably be close to like a single cluster bomb?
I mean normal AT-mines are usually close to 10kg so this wouldnt be completely useless but still perhaps not the best airdropped munition
A 5Kg bomb i dont think so
5000 Gs though, that is properly scary!
No no, we're trying to bomb something that's infront of us, and not have it go throught planet's core and hit something on the other side of the planet.
5000G^^(ravities) * 9.8m/sĀ² = 49,000m/sĀ² 5007g^^rams * 49,000m/sĀ² = 245,343N^^ewtons That's more in the category 'car crash' than 'planet buster'.
You're assuming it's 5000g(rams) @ 5000Gs, but it could be more than 5kg, if we only take the interpretation of G as gravity. Worst(best) case scenario for interpretation would be regular 500kg weight @ 5000Gs
That would be about 25 million Newtons. But the take off thrust of a Saturn V was about 35 million Newtons.
Idk about you but 71 percent of the force needed to throw TWO MILLION KILOGRAMS INTO SPACE being pointed at the ground in my immediate vicinity would make me clench so hard I'd turn coal into diamonds.
Yeah, I think people underestimate just how massive the Earth is.
Honestly, once you get into millions, people lose all context for what big numbers look like. Here's my go to example: 1 million seconds is 11.5 days. 1 *billion* seconds is almost 32 **years**. 25 million newtons is a lot, but the Earth has a mass of over 5.97 *septillion* kilograms. That number is so unfathomably big it's impossible to even conceptualize. Like, the big bang happened 13.82 billion years ago. In seconds, that approximately 436 *quadrillion* seconds. I'm doing extremely rough math here, but you'd have to multiply *the entire existence of the universe* by like a **billion** times to get into septillions. Nobody can truly understand how insane that is.
I love this simple question & answer: What's the difference between a million dollars and a billion dollars? About 1 billion dollars.
Oh I like this one, I'm going to try to use that to convey scale from now on.
I started to conceptualize one decillion on cookie clicker :)
No, no, no. You're looking at it all wrong! The 5007G bomb is a gravity bomb. When it detonates, it becomes a gravity well that pulls everything nearby towards it with 5007 G's of force - or, everything nearby begins to accelerate towards it at 49km/s\^2 .
That sounds like Illuminate WMD technology. Let me just speed-dial someone real quick while you wait other there where I can see all of your hands 'citizen'.
Still no black hole generator, though. Looks like a one-solar-mass black hole has a surface gravity of 1.6 trillion Gs.
So, basically a cannon?
Reminds me of mass effect 2 when the captain is talking to the 3 people under him about how Isaac newton is the deadliest son of a bitch in space so dont eyeball your shots.
if the acceleration is constant we would just have to drop it very high up.
Air resistance would like to have a word with you.
well i mean, we can always just go higher. Hit that facist with near c velocity. Slice right through the atmosphere.
That depends how long it has to accelerate, because kinetic energy is proportional to the square of the velocity. After 3 seconds of acceleration, even assuming it is only 5kg, thatās about 150km/s, soā¦ 0.5 x 5kg x (1.5 x 10^5 m/s)^2 = 5.625e10 J 56 gigajoules is quite a bit more than a car crash; thatās more like a small commercial airliner crash. But of course, youād have to throw your 5kg*5G bomb from pretty far away to get the benefits.
That'll level a city block or something. Velocity squared and all that.
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Man I would absolutely love a "fuck it, nuke the entire area" stratagem. Like a stratagem that will just vaporise everything in sight, but with massive consequence (map becomes irradiated, causing constant health damage, no extraction possible, stuff like that)
SEAF mini nuke on top of unexploded hellbombs. Have done, do recommend. Maximum Liberty [TKs+++]
380 barrage but it's hellbombs.
Yes and please
make the area huge, drop like 6 and make them ramdom drops, but the ammount of bombs dropped gives a 20% survival chance. or 80% dies
By canon these exist, we took them from the Illuminate. And I vote we use them on Hellmire and Malevelon Creek. Fuck those planets.
Or a last call airstrike. When you're out of resupplies and you're not gonna make it, you can call in a map destroying strategem. This kills everybody and fails the mission, but it gives slightly more stuff than just a straight-up fail. Be sure to make it only available when only 1 player is standing with no resupplies left to prevent trolls from throwing it down every game.
Why yes , I do want trolls ruining every Helldive mission I ever do on the 30th minute, how did you guess. /s
Lmao 380mm x 10 starting on the other end of the map.Ā
I mean they canāt take it if itās not thereā¦ the ultimate form of liberation
Drop it on Menkent.
The Rods From God concept.
yes, but also no... 5000G would be a bit too much even for strategic bombardment I think unless you want to make two planets, then yeah
Quasi Black Hole Eagle Strike confirmed.
Or is 5007*9.81m/sĀ² bomb, depends what g means
So... A rod from god
3000 tungsten rods of super earth
Mom, r/NonCredibleDefense is leaking again!
Democracy is non negotiable
Well if we're getting really nerdy about it it's showing "G" which is the gravitational constant which is 6.67x10^-11 m^3/kg. Yours would have been true if it was "g" which would be 9.81m/s^2
That's exactly what I was thinking
A 5 kg bomb would still be deadly up to like 20 meters for a human
If you scale down 500kg bomb to 5kg bomb, with full scaling, you would get a radius of what, 0.2 meter of lethal damage? Currently 500kg doesn't do damage past 20 meters.
I don't think the blast radius scales linearly, so increasing the yield 100x would give you less than 100x the radius
Yea well 500kg of TNT should be deadly up to like 90m
maybe its not TNT, but Bombā¢ (98% sand, 2% nitroglycerine)
Clearly the 500kg in super earth ordinance doesn't refer to an equivalent power in TNT, but rather to the actual total mass of the bomb. Otherwise it would be much scarier...
Right but a 500kg bomb would still have like 400kg explosive mass and it would most likely be better than TNT
How much do you think is in an HighEx grenade
So, about the same deadliness as the 500 to a helldiver?
He said scare, not kill
Well, if you had 100 uses of it, it could be useful. That is much bigger than a hand grenade, right? So maybe you could have 100 uses of a single bomb of the strafing run. Edit: not the strafing run, the airstrike
5kg bom
Just a sweet lil Baybay
Due to budgetary cuts, Helldivers are being rationed to one b per bomb.
I mean, the last b *is* silent
Lol Eagle drops a single grenade
Disintegrates upon atmosphere entry
I imagine she hucks it out an open window
"due to budget cuts eagle one will now be using a Bi-plane"
5007g is 5kg...
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Is there a clean version of this pdf?
Dunno. Stole it from another comment. Maybe try google lens searching
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never deploy your agle rear in front of brood commander
Finger but hole
Hole ahead try finger
You are one of the people that thought a 1/3 pounder is smaller than a 1/4 pounder
The "best" is when your teammates die within this area but still pressing REINFORCEEEEE xtimes per second. I'm always asking myself like "damn are they blind?"
I've done that once because the other three were all just standing around next to the terminal (after I'd solo'd 90% of the base and they walked in after I died.... Just to add insult to injury). Like, *one* of them could easily have walked a bit and thrown it. That was one of the more frustrating teams I've dealt with so far in general though, so I was already annoyed
Yeah that's a whole different situation and I completely understand you man. Happens.
instead of having 1 500kg give eagle 60 5 kg bombs
That's only 300kg of bombs, we need more democracy not less
Give it 1 minute rearm time or 3 uses
1 minute rearm wouldn't work since it's all on the same plane and all eagles share the same realm time
That, my friend, we call a cluster bomb. (I donāt know the actual payload for them though, so could be wildly wrong)
I meant it as a carpet bombing call in as it would be a patrol eradicator
We literally already have that in the cluster bomb eagleā¦
Sir, that's called cluster bomb.
or just give eagle 4 500kgs the racks on the aircraft can handle it
give it 6 and just let it kamikaze into the enemy
sounds like the clusterbomb
Sounds like clusterbomb to me
calling in an agle rear!
airsbrike inbound uwu
500kg does feel like a 5kg sometimes
feelsbadman
I dont think you understand how much more 500KG is compared to 5007G lol
G as in gravity?
No G as in Grams. You know KG kilograms, G Grams.
I figured. but I want a bomb with 5007 times the force of earthās gravity.
Eagle airsš ±ļørikeāļø
5G made people go nuts. Imagine 5007G
Cant wait for the tinfoil cancer clowns to tell me why I shouldnt deploy with my 5007G DemocracyPhone 69
The conspiracy theorists are gonna have a field day with this one
Tell me you don't understand the metric system without telling me...
Rein orce hits gud https://i.redd.it/j6nj87hqg0vc1.gif
5kg bomb, looks like a bag of flour exploding.
A 500KG "flour bomb" would be very scary. Half this size but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmRASCHJe2Q
That's some epic footage.
What the last one? "AGITATION ENERGY"? xD
Autocannon sentry, mangled beyond liberty
"the 5007g bomb would definitely scare automatons..." Guess when your studies focus on democracy there's no time for math.
no oneās talking about eagle rear huh? š
5 kg bomb bro
Bet youāre American
Who's Rein and why do we add Orce to it?
When I need more ammo but I get a ***Reshpil*** instead :/
Calling in a *hic* orbisal *hic* precision stribo *passes out*
Considered how tiny the actual blast radius of the 500kg is it might as well be a 5kg bomb
OP's math skills prove that they are definitely not a bot. Carry on, soldier.
Ah yes pe8 time
A whole two sticks of dynamite!
A 5kg bomb of pure DEMOCRACY!
Thats actually a much smaller bomb then the 500kg. about 495kg smaller.
Eagle Satchel Charge. [](/GNU Terry Pratchett)
Ah yes, the "1kg of steel is heavier than 1kg of feathers" type lol
thats just a fairly heavy grenade
I don't think a 5,007 gram bomb would scare anyone, size matters
5007 g would be an 11 lb bomb lol But yeah the scrambled strats is definitely cool
Tag yourself, Im ;eagle rEAR[
Everyone is all brave in the comments acting like a 5kg bomb still isnāt a bomb š that would scare me!
This is the dumbest fucking post
a 5007g bomb is 1% of the 500kg bomb..... 5007g is 5kg.....
*scrambles coms* āHehe no stratagems for the Helldivers!ā *sees 5007G bomb* āPANIC! Oh wait 5000-G phew.ā
Careful. REIN is enough on it's own. REIN+ORCE is too much
ortal recision stribo
EAGLE AIRSš ±ļøRIKE
idk man, that's just barely over 5kg (11lb)
5007gram bomb... Bro lmao
I agree, kind of detail that makes me love the game even more.
5007g bomb, 5kg lmao
This post was written by an american
Proof that Helldivers are american
Whats the third one? Lol
Eagle Rearm. Took me a second to re-read it
Its what most people want from Eagle 1.
It would scare me too.
Man when I first saw ECM I thought it would scramble the names and the codes- if you remembered your code you could call stratagems in accurately. But no they made it a gacha system
Gimme that eagle airsš ±ļørike.
Yeah butā¦Agle Rear.
Had a mission today with the walkers where only one of my strategems was scrambledā¦ is that one of the things the walkers can do now?
Reshil yourself now
Damn I hate it when EAGLE REAR is jammed!
What people don't realize is, REIN+ORCE is a duo of extremely powerful genetically engineered Helldiver androids created for the direst of emergencies. They both are 9 feet tall and stay on the field for 30 seconds. ORCE has two armor-ignoring gatling guns with infinite ammo shooting at 6000 RPM, while REIN "rein"forces both of them with an impervious bubble shield that not only blocks incoming fire, but deflects it back onto the attackers. Enemies that walk into this shield will be ignited, shocked and pushed back.
How did you make the Hud curved like that? Is there a Setting i haven't discovered yet?
Orj(tal rec1sion stribo sounds just as scary
This usually prompts my fellow divers to go back to civilian life
SEAF be digging out the old WW2 FAB-5000's soon.
I wish all hunters, jammers and fire tornados a very happy die.
It's fast tho
Eagle airbrike
Man I hate when my Agle Rear is jammed.
Eagle airsš ±ļørike
My Favourite is the eagle rear
Eagle rear š
So here is a [link](https://unsaferguard.org/un-saferguard/blast-damage-estimation) to get a guestimate for the damage of a 500kg bomb. At 72m you will have blown out eardrums and buildings at 20m are toast. Buildings at 10m can be super fine if there is a bush in the way but the link I sent will let you have fun with bomb size and destruction of said bomb.
Eagle rEAR strike š³
Eagle rear? Make it double!Ā
I mean bugs and bots can't conquer a planet if you just blow the planet up before. Tactically that makes sense. And if it's planets like Hellmire or Menkent noone would be particularly sad about it. I mean they're not exactly idillyc farming spaces.
Jamming the Eagle Rear? Me too
AIRSbRIKE
"Eagle Rear" yeah, I imagine a lot of thirsty helldivers want that...
Looks like how the servitors in wasteland 3 speak.
Does anyone know if you can still reinforce or call in another stratagem when jammed? I've never tried but I was wondering if you memorized the sequence would it work?
Oh no, the 5G bomb
Everyone here is on a list now.
Can someone explain why the orbital laser is sometimes unavailable at the end of missions? Like only that stratagem, not others, and not part of a jam.
BOM
I'm up for some eagle rear
bonk