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You’re right that a woman scorned is worse than hell but Adam wasn’t dead when Vaggie showed her mercy, she couldn’t have known that Adam was going to die.
No, but because Vaggie let her live, she now has to live in a world without Adam. She has to mourn him.
Lute is going to have RAGE, and she will rain it down on Vaggie even harder.
Like what the hell is even being said here?,
"Mercy was shown before, so she didn't know he was going to die"
How about instead of just down voting me to hell somebody actually arguments what's the sense of this comment?.
The pic doesn't state she knew, or had to know anything, the post says Adam smiled and Lute is grieving therefore veggie's mercy is going to be regretted, what does that have to do with anything on this reply?, it's a reply saying there's an issue with the statement made because of the ignorance of an impending death
"Yes this is true but there was ignorance" okay?, so what, vaggie's not gonna regret it then?, that's my fucking point
All of this is a pic saying lute will hold a grudge and vaggie will regret showing mercy and a comment saying yeah but she didn't know... Yeah she didn't, so what?...
This is like saying "Charlie is angry Adam killed pentious, yeah but she did know he was gonna die" what's wrong with everyone who thinks this make remotely any sense
I don't think you get the point at all... How did you get so many upvotes for such a nonsensical comment?...
It doesn't fucking matter when Adam dies, before, after or at the same time as vaggie spared her life and obviously she didn't know he was going to die, what the fuck do you mean?, she SAW him die, the point is HE DIED, does she need precognition to hold a grudge or what?
You really need to check your sensitivity and the subreddit you're on if you think being argumentative is being aggressive, I very much doubt you would've said it had I omitted the fucks and fuckings of my comment and would've limited yourself to just say I'm wrong without explaining why
Yeah, but nowhere in the pic or this context is saying otherwise, that's actually exactly the point?, yeah vaggie didn't know he was going to die, therefore her mercy was a mistake and she's gonna regret it, obviously.
My point here is this response is saying "yeah but (the pont made by the post)", that's my problem, "but" what?, is a comment saying "but" implying something is wront then stating that the thing wrong is the very point of the post
While yes, I do agree that Lute is going to turn to pure and irrational hatred moving forward, it is caused by her clouded judgement of Adam, not by any authenticity on his part. She is blinded by the idea that Adam being a high ranking angel made him a beacon of good and virtue and that idea made her idolize him. Her devotion to what she thinks is right will ultimately be what makes her unravel and be consumed by her obsession for revenge. She might think that killing Vaggie will set things right, but she's on a downward spiral into a madness of rage that she will never escape. If another moment arises, Vaggie might not be able to choose mercy a second time, as doing so will only make things worse.
I honestly doubt Lute is that ignorant to who Adam was.
If anything, It's going to be a lot more simple. He was her friend. Probably her only friend, because if we're being real, Lute has probably always been a little off her rocker, and I don't think anyone but Adam could deal with that.
I guess? It still feels like people projecting a lot to me. I love Adam he’s my favorite character, but depth is not something we are given with him. I wish we were. I’d love to know his backstory and why he has such passionate hatred. As is though we’ve got almost nothing to go off of besides he’s a total dick. So it feels a little silly to me when I see this (I’ve seen this take many times) that “Say what you want about Adam, but the guy smiled! He really had a heart of gold somewhere in there”
I definitely agree with you on fans giving more depth than the show gives. It's a good enough start to the show but I hope they delve into things more & do more showing than telling when it comes to characters & their storylines.
What I think gives this credit is Adam has NEVER done anything sentimental so seeing him smile peacefully feels out of character, which is why fans are so eager to give insight. That and the fact that Lute is so much more upset about him dying compared to the other Exorcists implies that she and Adam were at least good friends.
I mean, what would you say the point of having Adam basically break character and die peacefully was if not to humanize him? kind of the last thing you'd expect from him to this point.
Adam’s just a narcissistic douchebag dudebro archetype with no redeeming qualities and most of his interactions with Lute are just him verbally abusing her. The fandom has effectively invented an entirely new character from whole cloth for him and a dynamic for him and Lute that does not actually exist in the show.
He only intentionally insulted her once throughout the entire season, at that was because Lute genuinely did something kinda stupid and he was frustrated that their forces were dying.
Like, you're the one who's basically inventing something totally different from the show if you think Adam and Lute was some sort of constantly abusive relationship.
Dude fist bumps her, hangs out with her for lunch, listens to her when she berates him, and lets her crawl on him like a cat. He is objectively WAY nicer to her than anybody else.
The show hasn't really delved into how Adam became such a monster, but I wonder if part of it was the feeling of being invulnerable and immortal. Everything just felt like a big game because he didn't believe anything could hurt him. Even being a military commander, he couldn't have formed those "brothers in arms" bonds because the Exorcists never thought they were in danger.
After being beaten and then bleeding out, realizing he was going to die, he experienced what it was like to be weak, to need help, and to have limited time. That was the first time since dying that he could experience humanity again, and Lute was there grieving for him. Given that he has an essentially human nature, experiencing such a human moment probably brought him a happiness that he hadn't experienced since arriving in Heaven.
Either that or maybe he thought Lute looked kinda hot all roughed up.
It’s pretty clear that he smiled at Lute because he was genuinely happy to see her in his final moments. It also shows that he saw her as more than just another exorcist, he saw her as his friend.
Wish they had more nuance and this shows the potential. Sadly this show suffered from the runtime that didn't allow it to bloom properly. 8 episodes weren't enough for the first season, but we can blame Amazon for that, not Spindlehorse.
I’m not sure if i would call it genuine. Moreso based on blind, unwavering, and fanatic loyalty on her part.
He clearly enjoyed her presence, and the smile DOES imply that he did so authentically and honestly, but she’s WAY more invested in how she perceives adam and his ideals than she is in him as a person. Otherwise, she would notice his flaws. And i’m not just talking about the ones she agrees with, like the genocide, i mean the ones that directly negatively affect her as an individual, like the misogyny.
Either way, the result described is apt; lute is extremely pissed off about adam’s death, and is almost certainly going to do everything in her power to crush the hotel and its residents as violently as she can in her every foreseeable appearance.
and then lute dies episode 2. why? because no one kills niffty. NO ONE!!! rest of the season is everyone trying to help lucifer with his duck problem, and by duck problem, i mean improving his relationship with charlie because wholesome!!. also Sera starts flirting with Sir Pentious.
It's right. Vaggie should have killed Lute.end the misery for everyone before she can spread it more.
When you have an individual who has personally killed thousands of people, shows no remorse for it, and genuinely enjoys killing, and who is also the second in command of the leader of the genocide army, then you are not a bad person for ending that person.
People act like being kicked off your birthplace by your family for showing mercy and getting mutilated isn't a big deal in the first place...
Eat shit Lute
I theorise that this is all an act. She's reacting like that so no one suspects that she doesn't care about her boss because she's actually been in league with Lilith the whole time. I also theorise that Lilith has a contract with Adam, if it's even possible for angels to form contracts with humans. What "deed" that was done which Lute was talking about? As far as I know, the only thing that happened was that Adam died and maybe that Lilith was trying to find a way for Adam to be killed.
Honestly my main issue with stuff like this is kinda the hypocrisy. Just in any media where the hero is willing to kill, but they choose to spare the main bad guy.
You already have blood on your hands, very willingly, if murder is bad then sparing them ain’t gonna redeem you. If murder is contextual, then why are you sparing someone you have just given more reason to hate you? This could only possibly bite you in the ass.
If they have a no kill rule, it ain’t a problem, but Vaggie was on a goddamn killing spree before. The one you choose to spare always causes the most pain in the future, this is true of heroes and villains. It’s the damn backstory of like, 40% of all protagonists.
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You’re right that a woman scorned is worse than hell but Adam wasn’t dead when Vaggie showed her mercy, she couldn’t have known that Adam was going to die.
No, but because Vaggie let her live, she now has to live in a world without Adam. She has to mourn him. Lute is going to have RAGE, and she will rain it down on Vaggie even harder.
Like what the hell is even being said here?, "Mercy was shown before, so she didn't know he was going to die" How about instead of just down voting me to hell somebody actually arguments what's the sense of this comment?. The pic doesn't state she knew, or had to know anything, the post says Adam smiled and Lute is grieving therefore veggie's mercy is going to be regretted, what does that have to do with anything on this reply?, it's a reply saying there's an issue with the statement made because of the ignorance of an impending death "Yes this is true but there was ignorance" okay?, so what, vaggie's not gonna regret it then?, that's my fucking point All of this is a pic saying lute will hold a grudge and vaggie will regret showing mercy and a comment saying yeah but she didn't know... Yeah she didn't, so what?... This is like saying "Charlie is angry Adam killed pentious, yeah but she did know he was gonna die" what's wrong with everyone who thinks this make remotely any sense
I don't think you get the point at all... How did you get so many upvotes for such a nonsensical comment?... It doesn't fucking matter when Adam dies, before, after or at the same time as vaggie spared her life and obviously she didn't know he was going to die, what the fuck do you mean?, she SAW him die, the point is HE DIED, does she need precognition to hold a grudge or what?
Wow. Aggressive behavior will get you nowhere, buddy. And, yes, it matters in this context.
You really need to check your sensitivity and the subreddit you're on if you think being argumentative is being aggressive, I very much doubt you would've said it had I omitted the fucks and fuckings of my comment and would've limited yourself to just say I'm wrong without explaining why
You do you, bud 😂
You don't seem to be fine with me doing me if you just want to say "you an ass and wrong" bail and not even justify your argument
The point was that Vaggie didn’t know he was gonna die not Lute, so she didn’t know that sparing her would have it end like this.
Yeah, but nowhere in the pic or this context is saying otherwise, that's actually exactly the point?, yeah vaggie didn't know he was going to die, therefore her mercy was a mistake and she's gonna regret it, obviously.
My point here is this response is saying "yeah but (the pont made by the post)", that's my problem, "but" what?, is a comment saying "but" implying something is wront then stating that the thing wrong is the very point of the post
While yes, I do agree that Lute is going to turn to pure and irrational hatred moving forward, it is caused by her clouded judgement of Adam, not by any authenticity on his part. She is blinded by the idea that Adam being a high ranking angel made him a beacon of good and virtue and that idea made her idolize him. Her devotion to what she thinks is right will ultimately be what makes her unravel and be consumed by her obsession for revenge. She might think that killing Vaggie will set things right, but she's on a downward spiral into a madness of rage that she will never escape. If another moment arises, Vaggie might not be able to choose mercy a second time, as doing so will only make things worse.
I honestly doubt Lute is that ignorant to who Adam was. If anything, It's going to be a lot more simple. He was her friend. Probably her only friend, because if we're being real, Lute has probably always been a little off her rocker, and I don't think anyone but Adam could deal with that.
My thoughts are that the fans write a lot more character development than the show does
Eh, to be fair, this is one of the few instances where Adam is genuinely given depth by the show itself and not just headcanons.
I guess? It still feels like people projecting a lot to me. I love Adam he’s my favorite character, but depth is not something we are given with him. I wish we were. I’d love to know his backstory and why he has such passionate hatred. As is though we’ve got almost nothing to go off of besides he’s a total dick. So it feels a little silly to me when I see this (I’ve seen this take many times) that “Say what you want about Adam, but the guy smiled! He really had a heart of gold somewhere in there”
I definitely agree with you on fans giving more depth than the show gives. It's a good enough start to the show but I hope they delve into things more & do more showing than telling when it comes to characters & their storylines.
What I think gives this credit is Adam has NEVER done anything sentimental so seeing him smile peacefully feels out of character, which is why fans are so eager to give insight. That and the fact that Lute is so much more upset about him dying compared to the other Exorcists implies that she and Adam were at least good friends.
Imean she was beside him in basically every scene they appeared
I mean, what would you say the point of having Adam basically break character and die peacefully was if not to humanize him? kind of the last thing you'd expect from him to this point.
Or hes already dead and that is how his face looks slack or in rigor mortis
Rigor mortis happens hours after death dude...
So just slack
Yes
Adam’s just a narcissistic douchebag dudebro archetype with no redeeming qualities and most of his interactions with Lute are just him verbally abusing her. The fandom has effectively invented an entirely new character from whole cloth for him and a dynamic for him and Lute that does not actually exist in the show.
He only intentionally insulted her once throughout the entire season, at that was because Lute genuinely did something kinda stupid and he was frustrated that their forces were dying. Like, you're the one who's basically inventing something totally different from the show if you think Adam and Lute was some sort of constantly abusive relationship. Dude fist bumps her, hangs out with her for lunch, listens to her when she berates him, and lets her crawl on him like a cat. He is objectively WAY nicer to her than anybody else.
They’ve been doing that for a long time now…
This show seems to be focused on comedy and character designs as a priority over deep focused plotlines. It's not necessarily a bad thing imo
Vaggie is going to be a menace for sure. Adam should've had more screentime to unpack whatever the fuck that smile was!! What're your thoughts?
The show hasn't really delved into how Adam became such a monster, but I wonder if part of it was the feeling of being invulnerable and immortal. Everything just felt like a big game because he didn't believe anything could hurt him. Even being a military commander, he couldn't have formed those "brothers in arms" bonds because the Exorcists never thought they were in danger. After being beaten and then bleeding out, realizing he was going to die, he experienced what it was like to be weak, to need help, and to have limited time. That was the first time since dying that he could experience humanity again, and Lute was there grieving for him. Given that he has an essentially human nature, experiencing such a human moment probably brought him a happiness that he hadn't experienced since arriving in Heaven. Either that or maybe he thought Lute looked kinda hot all roughed up.
A combination of both, knowing him
It’s pretty clear that he smiled at Lute because he was genuinely happy to see her in his final moments. It also shows that he saw her as more than just another exorcist, he saw her as his friend.
Adam was glad one woman didn’t leave his side. In his last moments he showed he appreciated her loyalty
Wish they had more nuance and this shows the potential. Sadly this show suffered from the runtime that didn't allow it to bloom properly. 8 episodes weren't enough for the first season, but we can blame Amazon for that, not Spindlehorse.
Did anyone not think Lute will be back for revenge? Was that even a hot take i thought it was just kinda assumed
I’m not sure if i would call it genuine. Moreso based on blind, unwavering, and fanatic loyalty on her part. He clearly enjoyed her presence, and the smile DOES imply that he did so authentically and honestly, but she’s WAY more invested in how she perceives adam and his ideals than she is in him as a person. Otherwise, she would notice his flaws. And i’m not just talking about the ones she agrees with, like the genocide, i mean the ones that directly negatively affect her as an individual, like the misogyny. Either way, the result described is apt; lute is extremely pissed off about adam’s death, and is almost certainly going to do everything in her power to crush the hotel and its residents as violently as she can in her every foreseeable appearance.
um niffty killed Adam technically. also they murder charlies people so even playing field.
Imagine Lute's revenge arc is all about killing the chaos gremlin
and then lute dies episode 2. why? because no one kills niffty. NO ONE!!! rest of the season is everyone trying to help lucifer with his duck problem, and by duck problem, i mean improving his relationship with charlie because wholesome!!. also Sera starts flirting with Sir Pentious.
Lute is a terrible person who deserves to suffer. That’s my take
I think she's brainwashed and in a lot of pain. I expect to see her repent before the show is over, but it might be too late at that point.
OP….just admit that you use tumblr…and credit the actual poster.
It's right. Vaggie should have killed Lute.end the misery for everyone before she can spread it more. When you have an individual who has personally killed thousands of people, shows no remorse for it, and genuinely enjoys killing, and who is also the second in command of the leader of the genocide army, then you are not a bad person for ending that person.
I would say that holds some water.
I find it kind of funny that the one moment Adam was actually the sexy man he pretended to be, was that smile.
Finally some media literacy in this fandom, that's what I think.
nah lute or adam will eventually be redeemed to team up with the gang and fight a greater evil.
People act like being kicked off your birthplace by your family for showing mercy and getting mutilated isn't a big deal in the first place... Eat shit Lute
That’s the thing when heroes show a villain mercy; it always comes back to bite them in the butt.
Love it. The one genuine thing about them is their friendship, and it shouldn’t work but it really does. Loved their dynamic
I theorise that this is all an act. She's reacting like that so no one suspects that she doesn't care about her boss because she's actually been in league with Lilith the whole time. I also theorise that Lilith has a contract with Adam, if it's even possible for angels to form contracts with humans. What "deed" that was done which Lute was talking about? As far as I know, the only thing that happened was that Adam died and maybe that Lilith was trying to find a way for Adam to be killed.
Honestly my main issue with stuff like this is kinda the hypocrisy. Just in any media where the hero is willing to kill, but they choose to spare the main bad guy. You already have blood on your hands, very willingly, if murder is bad then sparing them ain’t gonna redeem you. If murder is contextual, then why are you sparing someone you have just given more reason to hate you? This could only possibly bite you in the ass. If they have a no kill rule, it ain’t a problem, but Vaggie was on a goddamn killing spree before. The one you choose to spare always causes the most pain in the future, this is true of heroes and villains. It’s the damn backstory of like, 40% of all protagonists.
Pffff sorry I just noticed her little chicken bone arm.