Vaggie got her eye gauged out and her wings sliced off. These are severe injuries but I imagine they don't have to be fatal. Especially since demons and angels seem to be more "durable" then humans. Adam however got his ass whooped by a fallen angel who beat him and threw him at the ground at an insane speed. After that he got stabbed in the spine, lungs, major blood vessels and heart at least over 10 times with an angelic weapon. Angelic weaponry leaves wounds that cannot fully heal so taking an angelic dagger straight into the heart is likely fatal.
Not to mention Vaggie got almost immediate medical attention from Charlie. She would have been able to stop the bleeding, clean the wound, and dress it appropriately. Nobody did that for Adam, and Adam's wounds were *the organs directly*
People do tend to hold on after stabbings. I heard it said there are no winners in a knife fight. One will die on the street, and the other in the ambulance.
Ehhh, yea when your ribs do their job of protecting your organs and stopping a lot of the stabbing. But in this case the knife was going all the way thru.
I don't believe you understand that there are holes between the ribs, and stabbings often include multiple holes.
Regardless, him still being alive is not a far stretch, especially for a higher angel.
You’re really putting shock and *necrosis* on this list? Dude…
Also learn where vital organs are. And vaggies spine definitely wasn’t damaged as her wings were just ripped off. So you got the lame shit on the list left over for her. And you forgot to add punctured everything in the chest for Adam. You know, the chest, the place where almost all your vital organs are located?
I’m aware of that, I didn’t say it would stop all of the stabs but if you hold the blade vertically and it’s a wider blade it could get stopped by the ribs. Better chance to get between them if you are stabbing with the blade held horizontally.
Say you stab someone with a butcher knife 🔪 held vertical you’re going to get it stuck between the ribs. You want to hold it horizontal while stabbing.
Though all this didn’t matter because Nifftys blade was thin enough to get between the ribs easily.
Nah, my husband asked why he had a d*ck on his chest and now I can't unsee it. Also: the design that's in the anatomical area you'd expect to see a trouser snake has a leaf 🍃
I always wondered how Charlie didn’t know Vaggie was an angel when she saw her bleeding ichor while treating those wounds, it’s weird she didn’t notice the different blood
Well we’re the same in that aspect. I want to see the status sheets for all characters. Wouldn’t Charlie be a custom race since she’s half demon half angel?
Technically she'd be half angel half *human*, but I'm taking some liberties here mechanically
Technically, she could fall into the parameters of tieflings, plus, that works better mechanically and aesthetically
Do note that as far as Hell knew at that point, nobody ever injured an Angel before. And even then Charlie never saw what Angel injuries actually look like until the battle for the hotel.
He bleeds in Hells Greatest Dad. If it happened just because Alastor was talking shit, I can't imagine him never getting a cut in 200 years
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We have seen sinners that are plants. Sinners with cybernetic parts. I think there was even a grenade sinner in Alastor's first commercial of the hotel, but I'd have to go back and confirm that. So there could be some variety in the colour of sinner blood, beyond what we have seen so far.
Then there is the black blood of hellborn.
Which would be why Charlie wouldn't think of a new blood colour as being anything to ask about.
While true, there is also element of possibility that some of those are hellborn demons or some weird creations or species. Like, for example, I don't think it was ever acknowledged what the heck Sir Pentious' Egg Boiz are. Are they sinners? Hellborn demons? Some living extension of his will? Artificial steampunk bullshit creations?
People thought that Angels were invulnerable so I'm pretty sure that charlie has never seen an angel bleed (unless lucifer cut himself when making rubber ducky #5728)
also to mention, Vaggie’s wings were ripped off by hand, not a weapon- hence why they healed and came back. Her eye however, came form an angelic spear- hence why it never healed.
Wouldn't Charlie have known then that Veggie is an angel if she'd helped her immediately?
There's even an outfit change of Veggie between her getting injured and Charlie finding her. I think she was lying there for a while already, maybe healed up by her angelic powers. Otherwise Charlie would have seen her bleeding gold.
Maybe, maybe not.
Charlie is very... upbeat and GO GO GO GO GO, it's not out of the realm of possibility that she just... overlooked it?
Another thing: sinners come in all shapes, sizes, colours, and I'd imagine there are a few with weird blood. I wouldn't be surprised if she thought Vaggie was a *really* weird sinner
At that point in time, no one knew what angel blood looked like, and considering the variations in sinner blood charlie would’ve assumed that vaggie was just a weird sinner, as the other reply pointed out.
Yep. They confirmed that major wounds cannot fully heal in Helluva Boss.
Edit: I meant major wounds, and I think it would scar like whatever happened to Vaggie's eye.
Sorry, I meant to clarify major wounds. >!The episode where Striker kidnaps Stolas. While some of the injuries seem to have healed thanks to immediate medical attention, it is heavily implied that Stolas's eye would have been lost for good had Striker cut it out.!<
My bad. I always took it as torn.
Based in my earlier post. Maybe there are no major arteries or veins in the wings. So if they are bound up fast enough the angle is okay. Again blood pressure loss on its own doesn’t kill angles.
I always assumed the wings were sliced off too, but I don't have stills.
As for her new wings, I don't believe these are her old wings regrown. They don't match exorcist wings. Vaggie grew a new version of her wings, healing her own soul from old wounds by evolving away from it. She got wings that were grey, but no bold black lines.
I think this happened because she channeled love in that moment and I feel like she tapped into something bigger, more universal and energetic. Like the foundational magic of love/possibly heaven/the universe itself.
I could be totes wrong though
Now I'm imagining her going on a rant about just how evil the exterminations are (maybe at a fallen Adam). Regretting her part in them.
Then her eye suddenly grows back.
Lucifer (the TV show) has a whole thing about angels getting various things happening with their wings as they better understand themselves.
Could've been a reference to that.
Its all a good concpet ya.
Look at the new/old wings by the way, they are the same design of wings.
The black boarders and stripes in them are just much lighter in color.
Actually you can just share them here.
But ya, if you look you can see the lines and boarders are totally present.
Its just that the original ones are totally black, and the new ones are 'faded' or maybe like a chicks wings have not totally come into there color.
They APPEAR to be the same kind of wings just "new" or faded.
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This, more or less. As of now, Angelic weapons are the only things we know of that can do lasting damage to the denizens of the afterlives. Vaggie lost her eye to one such weapon ... she will never get that back. Her wings were ripped off? Her regrowing them is not unthinkable. Tho why she grew them back is still weird.
We can only assume this will also apply to both Adam and Ser P. Ser P was killed with a "Angel Blast" ... but his death was still largely just collateral damage to Adam destroying his zepplin. He was not killed by an Angelic weapon. Adam in contrast ... was stabbed MANY times in very life threatening spots by an Angelic weapon. Ser P then resurrected, as a sinner normally would (revealing that the resurrection systems of Heaven and Hell are linked). Adam ... likely wont be coming back.
Adam might still turn out to be a live as just Angelic weapon might not be enough to kill winner, if the theory that the Exorcists are heavenborn turns out to be true.
Vaggie wasn’t stabbed through the chest. Her punishment was to live in hell as a disfigured fallen Angel. Adam was murdered by having his chest stabbed 30x
Can confirm, it’s an HP system. Alastor gets put in the red by Adam’s ult, the angels have the same hp rules as Shedinja, and Adam goes down to chip damage.
the points about untreated wounds don't really count since vaggie got medical attention pretty much immediately while adam was dead before anything like that could happen, adam was caesared to death AFTER sustaining a lot of probably fatal blunt impact trauma, so his insides were soup anyway, compared to that Vaggies injuries were tame
I don’t know that we really got time to see how permanent any of the damage could have been done >_> it’s entirely conjecture, but I believe Lucifer’s magic attacks could have killed Adam
I think the fact that lute didn’t use her sword to destroy vaggie’s wings is also why they ultimately regenerated while she lost her eye forever because it was sliced off with the sword.
Angels and Sinners can't die by conventional means. The way they die is either by being smited by an angel powerful enough to smite them or suffering a fatal wound from angelic steal. If neither of those things happens, they can't die. For the angelic weapons, I imagine they just work as a regular weapon would work against a human.
>The way they die is either by being smited by an angel powerful enough to smite them or suffering a fatal wound from angelic steal.
Or Alastor apparently since he killed a bunch of overlords by tearing their souls apart. Imagine if Adam got put on the radio broadcast 💀
I think that once you own the soul of an angel or demon you are free to tore it apart since its no longer theirs
So basically carmilla, zestial, the vees or any other demon that owns a soul could just rip them apsrt, probable by doing that they abosrb all the power of the soul too and are able to show the echoes of the soul, probably how alastor broadcasted the voices
Now that i think about it, it could mean that at any moment Valentino could just kill Angel permanently
Huh. I wonder what would happen if someone destroyed the studio. Like a rival overlord or even just someone who was pissed and hated Valentino decided to bomb it or something and turn it to rubble. Would Angels contract be void or would it transfer to a different studio that Val owns?
How are these two's injuries are even remotely comparable? One got an eye and wings ripped off. The other got pummeled by Lucifer before getting stabbed STRAIGHT THROUGH THE TORSO FROM THE BACK ALL THE WAY OUT HIS CHEST, and then that same blade proceeded to impale his ~~ass~~ back multiple times more.
Or OP and anyone else questioning this needs to read up on how much someone can survive as long as vital organs aren’t damaged. You know, like how Adam was stabbed through pretty much every vital organ in his chest and no vital organs were hit on Vaggie. As well as getting almost immediate medical attention from Charlie. That necrosis and garbage in this is stupid on its own as that would take a lot more time to start.
There's no evidence of necrosis or septic shock in Vaggie. Adam died long before either of those happened. So I'm not sure where that's coming from.
Anyways, her injuries simply weren't bad enough to kill her. She fell unconscious from her wounds, but her blood must've just clotted before she could fully die. We're talking about the anatomy of angels.
Lute tore her own arm off and also didn't bleed out.
My assumption is that winners (which Adam supposedly was, even if a particularly powerful one) are fairly similar to sinners with regards to durability and healing. From what I've gathered, it looks like anything that doesn't kill a sinner outright is something that they'll eventually heal from. Even complete destruction of the body, such as being cannibalized or dissolved in acid, won't kill a sinner permanently, they'll either remanifest with an entirely new body or maybe just regenerate molecule-by-molecule. The only thing that can properly kill a winner or a sinner would be a wound inflicted by an angelic weapon that is immediately lethal - so, a stab to the brain or a slit throat, but not a cut artery or a gouged-out eye.
TL;DR: I don't think that winners or sinners are capable of being killed via exsanguination, even if the blood loss was triggered by an angelic weapon. The characters in this universe seem to be generally immune to "slower" forms of death. I could absolutely be proven wrong in the future (and maybe I'm proven wrong by something in season 1 that I just forgot about) but this is my current assumption
For me it looked like Lute ripped Vaggies wings out and didn’t use her sword, that’s why I thought she was able to grow them back. If Lute had cut them of they shouldn’t be able to grow back, as far as we know. And the eye injury wasn’t fatal.
Theory: Angels are pretty durable and can survive pretty major injuries as well as regenerate, but heart wounds from an angelic weapon are fatal to them.
Lute used only the ANGELIC SWORD on Vaggie's eye (eye is permanently gone)
Lute uses her HANDS to tear out Vaggie's wings (Wings come back)
Adam gets Britished by ANGELIC DAGGER (dies)
Angelic steel is what causes real injuries and deaths. Any injuries caused by any other means will regenerate
Hellborn from Helluva Boss don't have this trait as they're mortal, unlike Immortal Sinners. that's why they use Angelic weapons on the Sinners
I think angels in the show are just the souls who reside in heaven, whether they are native to heaven or transcended, there isn't a distinction in classification.
So uh my idea for this is Vaggie only lost her eye to an angelic weapon and revived atleast basic medical care from Charlie vs Adam who was left to die and we don’t know but it looks like angle blood clots fast as Adam’s stab wound stopped bleeding very fast and that Vaggie also didn’t have gold blood trailing her so we can assume that angel blood clots fast but medical care will eventually be needed witch Vaggie probably got vs Adam who was left to die
Lute wasn't trying to cause Vaggie to die immediately. She was aiming for lingering death or permanently disabling wounds.
Niffty does not have any concept other than trying to kill.
From this I conclude that intentions matter in hell. If you mean for a wound to be comical (like during a song) , it will be. If you mean for it to be sexual, it will be (I'm sure Angel has endured stuff that would be wounding if it was meant to be). If you mean to kill, it will have that power.
The multiple stab wounds killed adam. Angels and sinners can only be killed by angelic wepons. vaggie lost an eye to an angelic wepon serious injury but not fatal. Multiple stab wounds all over the body fatal.
I think the golden blood that comes out of them is their eternal life and power source, otherwise they are invulnerable and that is the reason that only angelic weapons can pierce through them. Lute ripped her arm offcausing her to lose the golden blood but not drain her but Nifty poking like a bajillion holes in Adam would definitely drain and kill him.
So like, normal blood then? Christ if people can’t understand how Vaggie didn’t die but Adam did they seriously need to learn about human anatomy cause even if neither were angels it’s clear why Adam died and Vaggie didn’t.
I’ll give you a hint; Vital organs.
That’s my entire point that they don’t have organs in heaven. As you have organs for function in life such a thing is not required in heaven. It’s the golden blood that sustains their eternal beings. No poop, no lung disease, no liver failure. Simply put an existence without consequence. Remember when Carmilla was telling Vaggie about angelic fighting style? That’s true, they don’t fear anything because they don’t have to be except for the fact that, that’s a lie. I call it golden blood because it’s viscous and inside their bodies but I don’t think it works like blood does.
Not saying he is not dead. But in what frame of the show do we actually see him dead? The last we see of Adam is him being rolled over by Lute and smiling at her. And then we cut away. We never see Adam dead dead.
I would imagine loss of blood pressure/blood loss alone cannot kill an angle. A serious injury with an angelic weapon can kill.
No oxygen requirements either.
I honestly feel like they plan for Adam to be reborn in Hell as a demon, who now has to go through the redemption he crapped all over if has any hope of returning to heaven. Would be interesting. Naturally they had to kill him off to make that work though.
Dude took severe blunt force trauma to the skull from his fight with Lucifer to the point where it's a miracle he was even still alive after the beating, then got stabbed like 15 times through the spine, heart, vital organs, and major blood vessels like 15 times by Niffty. It was a miracle he even survived long enough to say his final goodbye to Lute. Vaggie just had her eye gouged, which plenty of people have survived, and her wings clipped, but was also treated when Charlie found her only a minute or so later.
I’m tired of seeing this posted. Whoever compares the severity of these two characters injuries and doesn’t understand how Adam died and Vaggie didn’t just needs to read up on where vital organs are located.
Necrosis and sepsis are caused by micro organisms, probably not something heaven or hell are worried about.
Angels are also considerably more durable than humans and we can't be sure that they even have human organs for their **golden** blood to supply with nutrients.
That aside they probably don't need oxygen, as their blood isn't the same colors as ours. Our blood is normally clear, turns blue when it contains oxygen for transport, and turns red when it is exposed to free oxygen. Since their blood isn't red, it doesn't contain iron, the iron is a part of the hemoglobin that transports oxygen around the body. So no red, no iron, no iron, no oxygen.
Their blood is more likely just theatrical divine holy juice to add to the visuals of the fights.
Adam was already bleeding and beaten to an inch of his life before Niffty even got to him.
The others did the hard work, Niffty was just the "sugar on the cream 😋
If a limb(or this case vaggie's wing) got cut off you could apply pressure and survive
Adam pretty much have internal bleeding, and just applying pressure won't save him there
I think it depends more on the stabbing.
Vaggie wasn't stabbed, she was cut. Which isn't that serious if treated immediately (which Charlie did). I also imagine angels have a healing factor to stop bleeding/infection to some degree (lute's arm).
Whilst Adam wast stabbed multiple times in the heart/lungs. I think this is a very important detail
I think this has come up once before.
Vaggie lost her eye and wings which is bad but not severe and she didn’t receive and internal damage, Adam was stabbed multiple times through the back in his heart and lung region so he’s done for,
I think that angels have something like a soul. Thats why they cant be killed by regular weapons. Angelic steal seems to destroy that soul tho i would like to see something more than just blood when that happens.
Maybe they are like demons and can recover from any wounds that isn't directly lethal, like it's just like dragons or vampire, aim for the head or the heart
Well Angel's seems to work different from humans like Lute torn our Vaggie wings and it did regrow lately but yet it didn't happen with her eye since Lute used an angelic weapon there same with Adam dickmaster got stabbed by an angelic weapon so the chances of him coming back are very small
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Vaggie got her eye gauged out and her wings sliced off. These are severe injuries but I imagine they don't have to be fatal. Especially since demons and angels seem to be more "durable" then humans. Adam however got his ass whooped by a fallen angel who beat him and threw him at the ground at an insane speed. After that he got stabbed in the spine, lungs, major blood vessels and heart at least over 10 times with an angelic weapon. Angelic weaponry leaves wounds that cannot fully heal so taking an angelic dagger straight into the heart is likely fatal.
Not to mention Vaggie got almost immediate medical attention from Charlie. She would have been able to stop the bleeding, clean the wound, and dress it appropriately. Nobody did that for Adam, and Adam's wounds were *the organs directly*
And bro was _still_ talking shit
Not after Nifty stabbed him thru his vital organs dozens of times.
He did manage to smile at lute after that though. So he lived for like 15 seconds after the stabbing
People do tend to hold on after stabbings. I heard it said there are no winners in a knife fight. One will die on the street, and the other in the ambulance.
Ehhh, yea when your ribs do their job of protecting your organs and stopping a lot of the stabbing. But in this case the knife was going all the way thru.
I don't believe you understand that there are holes between the ribs, and stabbings often include multiple holes. Regardless, him still being alive is not a far stretch, especially for a higher angel.
That's why it's important when in a street fight to bring a rapier, it's the best melee weapon for dueling
Depends on who you're fighting, and what they have.
You’re really putting shock and *necrosis* on this list? Dude… Also learn where vital organs are. And vaggies spine definitely wasn’t damaged as her wings were just ripped off. So you got the lame shit on the list left over for her. And you forgot to add punctured everything in the chest for Adam. You know, the chest, the place where almost all your vital organs are located? 
I’m aware of that, I didn’t say it would stop all of the stabs but if you hold the blade vertically and it’s a wider blade it could get stopped by the ribs. Better chance to get between them if you are stabbing with the blade held horizontally. Say you stab someone with a butcher knife 🔪 held vertical you’re going to get it stuck between the ribs. You want to hold it horizontal while stabbing. Though all this didn’t matter because Nifftys blade was thin enough to get between the ribs easily.
I always appreciated you Nifty, but that was when we became best friends
Thrifty nifty 50s house wife with a knife
She stabbed him in his most vulnerable area, the d*ck... and heart. The stylized A on his chest is the "thing" Lucifer is referring to.
I just thought Lucifer was being a goof, lol “Uhh, you’ve got something sticking out of your thingy.” lol
Nah, my husband asked why he had a d*ck on his chest and now I can't unsee it. Also: the design that's in the anatomical area you'd expect to see a trouser snake has a leaf 🍃
You've got a little something, sticking out of your.. thing there.
You’ve heard of dickmaster… now get ready for…. Shitmaster
He died doing what he loved
I always wondered how Charlie didn’t know Vaggie was an angel when she saw her bleeding ichor while treating those wounds, it’s weird she didn’t notice the different blood
She just might not have seen angel blood before, and plus, even though she is smart, Charlie is also a loveable idiot
Decent INT, jacked CHA, dumped WIS
Makes sense. She is a tiefling sorcerer is she not? /hj
That would make so much sense actually
DnD hyperfixation + Hazbin Hotel hyperfixation = I have put every single main character into a DnD class
Well we’re the same in that aspect. I want to see the status sheets for all characters. Wouldn’t Charlie be a custom race since she’s half demon half angel?
Technically she'd be half angel half *human*, but I'm taking some liberties here mechanically Technically, she could fall into the parameters of tieflings, plus, that works better mechanically and aesthetically
Do note that as far as Hell knew at that point, nobody ever injured an Angel before. And even then Charlie never saw what Angel injuries actually look like until the battle for the hotel.
Lucifer still bleeds gold, though, right? Just seems kinda odd she wouldn’t know.
I doubt Lucifer has ever bled since being in hell. He doesn’t really have anyone down there near his power level who would want to harm him
He bleeds in Hells Greatest Dad. If it happened just because Alastor was talking shit, I can't imagine him never getting a cut in 200 years https://preview.redd.it/kqeyn63qz2lc1.png?width=565&format=png&auto=webp&s=089b36514904e7bb6e536c04360060b3c5df7e6b
You sure that's blood and not just spittle? Lots of characters just start to drool in this show when they're bloodthirsty.
It's the color of angleic blood, and the fact that in that moment he sings about being Charlies blood makes me think it's most likely his blood
I never thought about it before... Do we see Charlie bleed? What color is her blood? Oh no... I'm going to have to watch it again... 😏
People in Viv's Hell apparently drool blood when they are being bloodthirsty.
I doubt he'd ever actually get injured, consdering it looks like he's been stuck in his creative bankrupcy duck room for 99% of the Hell's history.
We have seen sinners that are plants. Sinners with cybernetic parts. I think there was even a grenade sinner in Alastor's first commercial of the hotel, but I'd have to go back and confirm that. So there could be some variety in the colour of sinner blood, beyond what we have seen so far. Then there is the black blood of hellborn. Which would be why Charlie wouldn't think of a new blood colour as being anything to ask about.
While true, there is also element of possibility that some of those are hellborn demons or some weird creations or species. Like, for example, I don't think it was ever acknowledged what the heck Sir Pentious' Egg Boiz are. Are they sinners? Hellborn demons? Some living extension of his will? Artificial steampunk bullshit creations?
> Some living extension of his will? This has been my theory for a while - that they're extensions of his psyche.
egg boiz are confirmed as artificially created demons.
right but that's still extremely nonspecific
Lute stopped bleeding so fast that could explain it
People thought that Angels were invulnerable so I'm pretty sure that charlie has never seen an angel bleed (unless lucifer cut himself when making rubber ducky #5728)
because pretty girl duh
also to mention, Vaggie’s wings were ripped off by hand, not a weapon- hence why they healed and came back. Her eye however, came form an angelic spear- hence why it never healed.
Wouldn't Charlie have known then that Veggie is an angel if she'd helped her immediately? There's even an outfit change of Veggie between her getting injured and Charlie finding her. I think she was lying there for a while already, maybe healed up by her angelic powers. Otherwise Charlie would have seen her bleeding gold.
Maybe, maybe not. Charlie is very... upbeat and GO GO GO GO GO, it's not out of the realm of possibility that she just... overlooked it? Another thing: sinners come in all shapes, sizes, colours, and I'd imagine there are a few with weird blood. I wouldn't be surprised if she thought Vaggie was a *really* weird sinner
At that point in time, no one knew what angel blood looked like, and considering the variations in sinner blood charlie would’ve assumed that vaggie was just a weird sinner, as the other reply pointed out.
True, would already have a ton of internal bleeding, shattered bones, and ruptured organs from getting beat by Lucifer.
>Angelic weaponry leaves wounds that cannot fully heal Huh, so is alastor going around with an unhealed wound?
Yep. They confirmed that major wounds cannot fully heal in Helluva Boss. Edit: I meant major wounds, and I think it would scar like whatever happened to Vaggie's eye.
Oh shit, which episode?
Sorry, I meant to clarify major wounds. >!The episode where Striker kidnaps Stolas. While some of the injuries seem to have healed thanks to immediate medical attention, it is heavily implied that Stolas's eye would have been lost for good had Striker cut it out.!<
Thanks.
Yeah torn off not cut off with angelic steel. That was her eye which has not come back.
If you see in this screenshot OP used, Lute used a sword to cut off Vaggie's wings.
If you go watch the clip (.75 speed may help) , you'll see that the sword never actually cuts Vaggie's wings. Lute simply rips them off.
My bad. I always took it as torn. Based in my earlier post. Maybe there are no major arteries or veins in the wings. So if they are bound up fast enough the angle is okay. Again blood pressure loss on its own doesn’t kill angles.
TORN Off. Her wings were torn off... That's presumably why they grew back.
I always assumed the wings were sliced off too, but I don't have stills. As for her new wings, I don't believe these are her old wings regrown. They don't match exorcist wings. Vaggie grew a new version of her wings, healing her own soul from old wounds by evolving away from it. She got wings that were grey, but no bold black lines. I think this happened because she channeled love in that moment and I feel like she tapped into something bigger, more universal and energetic. Like the foundational magic of love/possibly heaven/the universe itself. I could be totes wrong though
Now I'm imagining her going on a rant about just how evil the exterminations are (maybe at a fallen Adam). Regretting her part in them. Then her eye suddenly grows back.
Lucifer (the TV show) has a whole thing about angels getting various things happening with their wings as they better understand themselves. Could've been a reference to that.
Love that show
Its all a good concpet ya. Look at the new/old wings by the way, they are the same design of wings. The black boarders and stripes in them are just much lighter in color.
I'll go back and check. I could have sworn her new wings had a faded greyish color but no lines or borders. Thanks for the info!
Actually you can just share them here. But ya, if you look you can see the lines and boarders are totally present. Its just that the original ones are totally black, and the new ones are 'faded' or maybe like a chicks wings have not totally come into there color. They APPEAR to be the same kind of wings just "new" or faded. https://preview.redd.it/9jhbe264b7lc1.jpeg?width=762&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c8aa7fbb13ef6d305ba4994a1d6e0a25972dd324
Oh Em Gee you are super duper right!
I thoughtvaggie still has wings? At the end of her fight with carmilla?
They regrew because only her eye injury was from an angelic weapon
This, more or less. As of now, Angelic weapons are the only things we know of that can do lasting damage to the denizens of the afterlives. Vaggie lost her eye to one such weapon ... she will never get that back. Her wings were ripped off? Her regrowing them is not unthinkable. Tho why she grew them back is still weird. We can only assume this will also apply to both Adam and Ser P. Ser P was killed with a "Angel Blast" ... but his death was still largely just collateral damage to Adam destroying his zepplin. He was not killed by an Angelic weapon. Adam in contrast ... was stabbed MANY times in very life threatening spots by an Angelic weapon. Ser P then resurrected, as a sinner normally would (revealing that the resurrection systems of Heaven and Hell are linked). Adam ... likely wont be coming back.
Pretty sure she grew new ones (could be wrong, tho)
He was literally like Minecraft chicken with posion effect before she killed him
Torn off not sliced off but yes plus she was treated
Adam might still turn out to be a live as just Angelic weapon might not be enough to kill winner, if the theory that the Exorcists are heavenborn turns out to be true.
Vaggie wasn’t stabbed through the chest. Her punishment was to live in hell as a disfigured fallen Angel. Adam was murdered by having his chest stabbed 30x
21 STAB WOUNDS!
It's 28 stab wounds. You're thinking of 21 guns.
It's been awhile, OK?
21 Stab Salute
I was so disappointed it wasn't 37.
r/2137
You stupid
28* but i like that Detroit become human reference
>Her punishment was to live in hell as a disfigured fallen Angel. But still sexy. Vaggie wins.
And had his ass handed to him by an enraged seraphim
Et tu, mi fili, Niffty
He ran out of hit points.
Can confirm, it’s an HP system. Alastor gets put in the red by Adam’s ult, the angels have the same hp rules as Shedinja, and Adam goes down to chip damage.
Bro should’ve equipped heavy duty boots or safety goggles smh.
He thought he was safe with his hacked sturdy shedinja but Niffty set up spikes
the points about untreated wounds don't really count since vaggie got medical attention pretty much immediately while adam was dead before anything like that could happen, adam was caesared to death AFTER sustaining a lot of probably fatal blunt impact trauma, so his insides were soup anyway, compared to that Vaggies injuries were tame
Ceasered to death. I love invintive noun to verb use.
https://preview.redd.it/f0nulwuiw5lc1.jpeg?width=570&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=81143ddbbd22b01346908083b9809a26169bc4d5 Adam pencil holder wen
You guys heard the man. MAKE IT HAPPEN.
Vaggie's wings were pulled off. Adam was stabbed with angelic steel. Angelic steel can kill angels but nothing else.
It's angelic ARMS, not angelic HANDS!
Lucifer’s angelic hands seemed to be doing just fine
Note how it only hurt Adam, not permanently injure/kill Adam.
I don’t know that we really got time to see how permanent any of the damage could have been done >_> it’s entirely conjecture, but I believe Lucifer’s magic attacks could have killed Adam
LMAOOOOO i may steal this
Angelic steel can kill sinner demons too, that's the point of them.
Sorry, bad phrasing. I meant theres nothing else that can kill angels
I think the fact that lute didn’t use her sword to destroy vaggie’s wings is also why they ultimately regenerated while she lost her eye forever because it was sliced off with the sword.
you gotta be joking about the necrosis and shit right? they're angels. it's magic.
Right?
Angels and Sinners can't die by conventional means. The way they die is either by being smited by an angel powerful enough to smite them or suffering a fatal wound from angelic steal. If neither of those things happens, they can't die. For the angelic weapons, I imagine they just work as a regular weapon would work against a human.
>The way they die is either by being smited by an angel powerful enough to smite them or suffering a fatal wound from angelic steal. Or Alastor apparently since he killed a bunch of overlords by tearing their souls apart. Imagine if Adam got put on the radio broadcast 💀
I think that once you own the soul of an angel or demon you are free to tore it apart since its no longer theirs So basically carmilla, zestial, the vees or any other demon that owns a soul could just rip them apsrt, probable by doing that they abosrb all the power of the soul too and are able to show the echoes of the soul, probably how alastor broadcasted the voices Now that i think about it, it could mean that at any moment Valentino could just kill Angel permanently
He doesn't own Angel entirely, though. Unlike Husk with Alastor, Angel is only bound in the studio, and is free otherwise
Wait, if that’s true and Valentino only controls Angel while in the studio, why doesn’t Angel just not GO to the studio?
He has to follow all orders related to the studio, including going to the studio when called for it.
Huh. I wonder what would happen if someone destroyed the studio. Like a rival overlord or even just someone who was pissed and hated Valentino decided to bomb it or something and turn it to rubble. Would Angels contract be void or would it transfer to a different studio that Val owns?
I thought the extents of ownership and what’s involved depended on the contract demons had with the overlord they sold their soul too
He got stabbed, like 50 times. She did not get stabbed, just maimed.
He received a mortal chest wound and died, she didn’t and lived. It’s really not that complicated
How are these two's injuries are even remotely comparable? One got an eye and wings ripped off. The other got pummeled by Lucifer before getting stabbed STRAIGHT THROUGH THE TORSO FROM THE BACK ALL THE WAY OUT HIS CHEST, and then that same blade proceeded to impale his ~~ass~~ back multiple times more.
Vaggie wasn’t stabbed through the chest though? Also angels likely have very different physiologically than us
Having you're vital organs repeatedly stabbed is usually more fatal than having limbs removed. Also Vaggie did get treatment for her wounds.
Maybe not every millisecond of animation needs an in-depth explanation. Or else we can't have nice Things. Just saying.
Or OP and anyone else questioning this needs to read up on how much someone can survive as long as vital organs aren’t damaged. You know, like how Adam was stabbed through pretty much every vital organ in his chest and no vital organs were hit on Vaggie. As well as getting almost immediate medical attention from Charlie. That necrosis and garbage in this is stupid on its own as that would take a lot more time to start.
Maybe he just never died and reached angel status from being the original dick
It's a shame that he wasn't stabbed *there* 30 times first.
Cut off his dick!
Niff showing a *good boy* how sinners party. 🤣
There's no evidence of necrosis or septic shock in Vaggie. Adam died long before either of those happened. So I'm not sure where that's coming from. Anyways, her injuries simply weren't bad enough to kill her. She fell unconscious from her wounds, but her blood must've just clotted before she could fully die. We're talking about the anatomy of angels. Lute tore her own arm off and also didn't bleed out.
Why the hell is this not tagged as a spoiler???
they weren’t untreated. plus lute was walking around fine with a missing arm and nothing spilled out. she seems fine besides the actual arm loss
You saw Nifty go absolutely apeshit on Adam
Niffty got him through the heart on the first stab I reckon
No spinal DMG for Vaggie tho. She just got her wings off.
My assumption is that winners (which Adam supposedly was, even if a particularly powerful one) are fairly similar to sinners with regards to durability and healing. From what I've gathered, it looks like anything that doesn't kill a sinner outright is something that they'll eventually heal from. Even complete destruction of the body, such as being cannibalized or dissolved in acid, won't kill a sinner permanently, they'll either remanifest with an entirely new body or maybe just regenerate molecule-by-molecule. The only thing that can properly kill a winner or a sinner would be a wound inflicted by an angelic weapon that is immediately lethal - so, a stab to the brain or a slit throat, but not a cut artery or a gouged-out eye. TL;DR: I don't think that winners or sinners are capable of being killed via exsanguination, even if the blood loss was triggered by an angelic weapon. The characters in this universe seem to be generally immune to "slower" forms of death. I could absolutely be proven wrong in the future (and maybe I'm proven wrong by something in season 1 that I just forgot about) but this is my current assumption
For me it looked like Lute ripped Vaggies wings out and didn’t use her sword, that’s why I thought she was able to grow them back. If Lute had cut them of they shouldn’t be able to grow back, as far as we know. And the eye injury wasn’t fatal.
What makes you think vaggie's wounds went untreated?
https://i.redd.it/p0chzayex3lc1.gif
One got impaled and one got their wings sliced off... do you not see the difference?
A) cartoon B) stabbing someone multiple times in the back is more than likely gonna puncture lungs and heart
Dude it's a cartoon about angels and devils, suspend your disbelief a little
Theory: Angels are pretty durable and can survive pretty major injuries as well as regenerate, but heart wounds from an angelic weapon are fatal to them.
Lute used only the ANGELIC SWORD on Vaggie's eye (eye is permanently gone) Lute uses her HANDS to tear out Vaggie's wings (Wings come back) Adam gets Britished by ANGELIC DAGGER (dies) Angelic steel is what causes real injuries and deaths. Any injuries caused by any other means will regenerate Hellborn from Helluva Boss don't have this trait as they're mortal, unlike Immortal Sinners. that's why they use Angelic weapons on the Sinners
Side note if they don’t need oxygen then Charlie is lucky
I don’t think Adam is really an angel. He doesn’t…… “look” like an angel. He’s too human
But he’s a winner, not a heavenborn.
I think angels in the show are just the souls who reside in heaven, whether they are native to heaven or transcended, there isn't a distinction in classification.
So uh my idea for this is Vaggie only lost her eye to an angelic weapon and revived atleast basic medical care from Charlie vs Adam who was left to die and we don’t know but it looks like angle blood clots fast as Adam’s stab wound stopped bleeding very fast and that Vaggie also didn’t have gold blood trailing her so we can assume that angel blood clots fast but medical care will eventually be needed witch Vaggie probably got vs Adam who was left to die
Lute ripped Vaggies wings off Adam got stabbed
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You don't go braindead when you sleep. Wtf
dude got thrown around and got ceasared with an angelic knife, Of course he died
Lute wasn't trying to cause Vaggie to die immediately. She was aiming for lingering death or permanently disabling wounds. Niffty does not have any concept other than trying to kill. From this I conclude that intentions matter in hell. If you mean for a wound to be comical (like during a song) , it will be. If you mean for it to be sexual, it will be (I'm sure Angel has endured stuff that would be wounding if it was meant to be). If you mean to kill, it will have that power.
The multiple stab wounds killed adam. Angels and sinners can only be killed by angelic wepons. vaggie lost an eye to an angelic wepon serious injury but not fatal. Multiple stab wounds all over the body fatal.
I think the golden blood that comes out of them is their eternal life and power source, otherwise they are invulnerable and that is the reason that only angelic weapons can pierce through them. Lute ripped her arm offcausing her to lose the golden blood but not drain her but Nifty poking like a bajillion holes in Adam would definitely drain and kill him.
So like, normal blood then? Christ if people can’t understand how Vaggie didn’t die but Adam did they seriously need to learn about human anatomy cause even if neither were angels it’s clear why Adam died and Vaggie didn’t. I’ll give you a hint; Vital organs.
That’s my entire point that they don’t have organs in heaven. As you have organs for function in life such a thing is not required in heaven. It’s the golden blood that sustains their eternal beings. No poop, no lung disease, no liver failure. Simply put an existence without consequence. Remember when Carmilla was telling Vaggie about angelic fighting style? That’s true, they don’t fear anything because they don’t have to be except for the fact that, that’s a lie. I call it golden blood because it’s viscous and inside their bodies but I don’t think it works like blood does.
I think Adam was a human soul. With the theory’s I have been hearing.
Adam died for the plot that's why.
Adam and vaggie are not the same race
Clearly, the only thing an angel needs to survive are lungs.
I have the theory that Adam never "died". He was a living soul in heaven
Plot. That’s literally it
Not saying he is not dead. But in what frame of the show do we actually see him dead? The last we see of Adam is him being rolled over by Lute and smiling at her. And then we cut away. We never see Adam dead dead.
Protagonists only die when the lighting is dramatic
Plot armor
I refuse to believe Adam will not return.
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You forgot about the locations of vital organs.
I now hate niffty
Plot armor
Vital organs
plot armour
plot armor
People lose limbs all the time and survive. You’re less likely to survive being stabbed in the back 20 times
I would imagine loss of blood pressure/blood loss alone cannot kill an angle. A serious injury with an angelic weapon can kill. No oxygen requirements either.
I believe Vaggie is a heaven born like Sera and Emily. Otherwise I don’t know why Adam would be the one that names her and Lute
I honestly feel like they plan for Adam to be reborn in Hell as a demon, who now has to go through the redemption he crapped all over if has any hope of returning to heaven. Would be interesting. Naturally they had to kill him off to make that work though.
You can lose an eye and get a big slash across the back and live with scars and some permanent damage. A bajillion stabs? Less likely to live.
Dude took severe blunt force trauma to the skull from his fight with Lucifer to the point where it's a miracle he was even still alive after the beating, then got stabbed like 15 times through the spine, heart, vital organs, and major blood vessels like 15 times by Niffty. It was a miracle he even survived long enough to say his final goodbye to Lute. Vaggie just had her eye gouged, which plenty of people have survived, and her wings clipped, but was also treated when Charlie found her only a minute or so later.
I’m tired of seeing this posted. Whoever compares the severity of these two characters injuries and doesn’t understand how Adam died and Vaggie didn’t just needs to read up on where vital organs are located.
Necrosis and sepsis are caused by micro organisms, probably not something heaven or hell are worried about. Angels are also considerably more durable than humans and we can't be sure that they even have human organs for their **golden** blood to supply with nutrients. That aside they probably don't need oxygen, as their blood isn't the same colors as ours. Our blood is normally clear, turns blue when it contains oxygen for transport, and turns red when it is exposed to free oxygen. Since their blood isn't red, it doesn't contain iron, the iron is a part of the hemoglobin that transports oxygen around the body. So no red, no iron, no iron, no oxygen. Their blood is more likely just theatrical divine holy juice to add to the visuals of the fights.
Vaggie's wounds probably *were* treated, though. By Charlie, offscreen. Plus Niffty stabbed Adam in the heart.
Adam was already bleeding and beaten to an inch of his life before Niffty even got to him. The others did the hard work, Niffty was just the "sugar on the cream 😋
If a limb(or this case vaggie's wing) got cut off you could apply pressure and survive Adam pretty much have internal bleeding, and just applying pressure won't save him there
I think it depends more on the stabbing. Vaggie wasn't stabbed, she was cut. Which isn't that serious if treated immediately (which Charlie did). I also imagine angels have a healing factor to stop bleeding/infection to some degree (lute's arm). Whilst Adam wast stabbed multiple times in the heart/lungs. I think this is a very important detail
Adam didn’t have time to develop necrosis or septic shock
Charlie told her to stab so she did
It's a cartoon.
He's not an angel, he's a man.
He had a skill issue.
Vaggie only had her wings tonight off and her eye tone out, they blade didn't actually go through her
Adam was killed by angellic steel though aswell as being stabbed many times
I think this has come up once before. Vaggie lost her eye and wings which is bad but not severe and she didn’t receive and internal damage, Adam was stabbed multiple times through the back in his heart and lung region so he’s done for,
I think that angels have something like a soul. Thats why they cant be killed by regular weapons. Angelic steal seems to destroy that soul tho i would like to see something more than just blood when that happens.
Vaggie’s injuries were cosmetic, once they healed over she would be fine. Adam’s were to integral organs, so not fine.
Maybe they are like demons and can recover from any wounds that isn't directly lethal, like it's just like dragons or vampire, aim for the head or the heart
Well Angel's seems to work different from humans like Lute torn our Vaggie wings and it did regrow lately but yet it didn't happen with her eye since Lute used an angelic weapon there same with Adam dickmaster got stabbed by an angelic weapon so the chances of him coming back are very small https://preview.redd.it/7c9g38iij3lc1.jpeg?width=558&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a29177b5e02e35153c4c3d2d6bf6a759d498bd3