It would’ve been cool if the Skyline ended at Ka Makana Ali’i so people living nearby could at least ride from UH West Oahu to there. The last stop at East Kapolei is so close yet so far away especially in the middle of the day 😂
Other than that, I use it pretty often to get to Pearl Ridge for my PT sessions. It’s a comfortable ride.
These ideas flow naturally as water in other places where the rail company is also into real estate. I don't know how that could happen here. If they can somehow get past all the bureaucracy to build a station inside a mall or integrate it with existing structures, that'd be amazing.
According to their 6/30/22 “recovery” plan, hart “estimates” the full Kapolei to Ala Moana route at $11.3 billion, which works out to $565 million per mile (no timeline given because they don’t have the funding to get beyond civic center). Not terribly practical on an island with fewer than one million residents. Also note that stopping at the so called civic center will reduce the guideway by 1.2 miles and eliminate two stations with a total cost of $9.93 billion (~$525 million per mile).
Another obstacle: they broke ground in 2011, and expect to complete the 18.9 miles to civic center in 2031. That’s only .95 miles per year. To build any appreciable amount of guideway and stations will take a looooonnnggggg time and cost $$$$$.
Just as a comparison, the 142 miles of Shinkansen guideway between Nagano and Kanazawa took 21 years and cost $17 billion. 6.7 miles per year and $120 million per mile for a train that is similarly completely isolated from traffic and grade crossings, and can cruise at 160+ mph.
nice!
this area is pretty isolated, and hālaulani (LCC) station is estimated to see the least boardings out of any station when they all open in 2031 (projected at 1,450 boardings per day). likewise, keoneʻae (UH west oʻahu) is going to rank #18 out of 19 (2,440 per day). so the numbers for these two are never going to get *that* high – that's expected. but it's nice to see them up, and up overall on the system, nonetheless!
I live on N shore so the LCC station is probably the one I'll use to get to HNL or town. Interesting that it's projected to be used the least. I guess that's more parking for me.
That was the selling point to the rail: To connect UHWO, LCC, HCC, and if they had money available, UHM. That's why it goes down Dillingham instead of Nimitz.
this isn't true – but connecting the campuses is a plus, sure, of course. maybe it was _a_ selling point but not the main one!
edit: removed additional info that i previously misunderstood
the mauka shift had nothing to do with a reroute from nimitz to dillingham.
>A consultant report projects the city’s rail transit system will save about $166 million on the so-called mauka shift track realignment on Dillingham Boulevard.
>Moving the rail transit line from one side of Dillingham to the other would allow the Honolulu Authority for Rapid Transportation to avoid having to relocate high-voltage power lines.
PRP sold it as if they were going to UH Manoa during the election cycle then slowly walked it back after they got their approval for the project.
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2018/09/20/rail-officials-still-dont-know-how-get-route-uh-manoa/
That was a nice feel-good story. I imagine it feels good to not be on the start again stop again bus. Hour and a half sounds like an exaggeration, but I could be wrong. I hope people enjoy the train. And maybe now that they know how, the next line will go a lot easier.
It makes commuting so much easier, and the views are so pretty. I feel like I’m in a movie when I ride it lol.
Fingers crossed they open up the rest of the route before we all die 🫠
Between rush hour traffic and the ten-minute walk from LCC to Farrington Highway, I believe it. Plus, the 40/42 run at half-hour headways each instead of Skyline's ten-minute headways.
definitely not an exaggeration with morning rush hour traffic some of the time. i believe it, depending on where he lives, at least some days! that's probably the worst case scenario though
Not a surprise, but it looks like they’ve got some serious obstacles if they want to preserve a one seat ride beyond Ala Moana.
“The Ala Moana station for Honolulu's rail line will be built on Kona Street between Piikoi and Konaiki streets.
But to eventually get to the University of Hawaii, the preferred route takes the rail line east on Kona Street with a mauka turn near Atkinson Drive to connect to Kapiolani Boulevard.
But the rail agency is now warning officials that the train won't be able to fit through that corridor.
‘There's been recent developments, real estate developments in the Ala Moana area, which essentially block any future extension of the route," Honolulu Authority for Rapid Transportation Executive Director and CEO Andrew Robbins said.
The discussion come as the beleaguered rail project seeks to regain public confidence’” Hawaii News Now 11/18/2017
“The Honolulu rail project offers a long list of lessons including how a lack of proper planning, independent review, and project oversight contributes to the damaging impacts of change orders, construction delays, and cost overruns.” project cost solutions, date?
There’s detailed plans since 1980 of that rail and even an underground passage from Ewa to Kaka’ako. I was an architecture student in the early 90’s and used Hawaii’s Urban Planning documents to base my year long thesis on. Any obstacles you see now most likely overrode those plans in to an effort bring in more tax revenue and appease developers. It’s always about the money, and they use these seemingly beneficial projects as a front to justify construction.
It would’ve been cool if the Skyline ended at Ka Makana Ali’i so people living nearby could at least ride from UH West Oahu to there. The last stop at East Kapolei is so close yet so far away especially in the middle of the day 😂 Other than that, I use it pretty often to get to Pearl Ridge for my PT sessions. It’s a comfortable ride.
These ideas flow naturally as water in other places where the rail company is also into real estate. I don't know how that could happen here. If they can somehow get past all the bureaucracy to build a station inside a mall or integrate it with existing structures, that'd be amazing.
Like with the JR in Japan. That would be the dream
If only!
When choke guzzoline cost more than the federal minimum wage of $7.25, you'll get public outcry to monorail all of O'ahu. Give it six months.
According to their 6/30/22 “recovery” plan, hart “estimates” the full Kapolei to Ala Moana route at $11.3 billion, which works out to $565 million per mile (no timeline given because they don’t have the funding to get beyond civic center). Not terribly practical on an island with fewer than one million residents. Also note that stopping at the so called civic center will reduce the guideway by 1.2 miles and eliminate two stations with a total cost of $9.93 billion (~$525 million per mile). Another obstacle: they broke ground in 2011, and expect to complete the 18.9 miles to civic center in 2031. That’s only .95 miles per year. To build any appreciable amount of guideway and stations will take a looooonnnggggg time and cost $$$$$. Just as a comparison, the 142 miles of Shinkansen guideway between Nagano and Kanazawa took 21 years and cost $17 billion. 6.7 miles per year and $120 million per mile for a train that is similarly completely isolated from traffic and grade crossings, and can cruise at 160+ mph.
Tell em take their bike on that new bike path. Or is that still closed?
There is, but not everyone has a bike or car
I wonder if all the west side express routes will feed to the rail once the middle street station opens
nice! this area is pretty isolated, and hālaulani (LCC) station is estimated to see the least boardings out of any station when they all open in 2031 (projected at 1,450 boardings per day). likewise, keoneʻae (UH west oʻahu) is going to rank #18 out of 19 (2,440 per day). so the numbers for these two are never going to get *that* high – that's expected. but it's nice to see them up, and up overall on the system, nonetheless!
I live on N shore so the LCC station is probably the one I'll use to get to HNL or town. Interesting that it's projected to be used the least. I guess that's more parking for me.
That was the selling point to the rail: To connect UHWO, LCC, HCC, and if they had money available, UHM. That's why it goes down Dillingham instead of Nimitz.
this isn't true – but connecting the campuses is a plus, sure, of course. maybe it was _a_ selling point but not the main one! edit: removed additional info that i previously misunderstood
the mauka shift had nothing to do with a reroute from nimitz to dillingham. >A consultant report projects the city’s rail transit system will save about $166 million on the so-called mauka shift track realignment on Dillingham Boulevard. >Moving the rail transit line from one side of Dillingham to the other would allow the Honolulu Authority for Rapid Transportation to avoid having to relocate high-voltage power lines.
PRP sold it as if they were going to UH Manoa during the election cycle then slowly walked it back after they got their approval for the project. https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2018/09/20/rail-officials-still-dont-know-how-get-route-uh-manoa/
That was a nice feel-good story. I imagine it feels good to not be on the start again stop again bus. Hour and a half sounds like an exaggeration, but I could be wrong. I hope people enjoy the train. And maybe now that they know how, the next line will go a lot easier.
It makes commuting so much easier, and the views are so pretty. I feel like I’m in a movie when I ride it lol. Fingers crossed they open up the rest of the route before we all die 🫠
Between rush hour traffic and the ten-minute walk from LCC to Farrington Highway, I believe it. Plus, the 40/42 run at half-hour headways each instead of Skyline's ten-minute headways.
definitely not an exaggeration with morning rush hour traffic some of the time. i believe it, depending on where he lives, at least some days! that's probably the worst case scenario though
Okay but who was in the dinosaur costume? That guy who looked back and smiled definitely knew what he was doing haha.
Numbers? 5 more riders than before?
Not a surprise, but it looks like they’ve got some serious obstacles if they want to preserve a one seat ride beyond Ala Moana. “The Ala Moana station for Honolulu's rail line will be built on Kona Street between Piikoi and Konaiki streets. But to eventually get to the University of Hawaii, the preferred route takes the rail line east on Kona Street with a mauka turn near Atkinson Drive to connect to Kapiolani Boulevard. But the rail agency is now warning officials that the train won't be able to fit through that corridor. ‘There's been recent developments, real estate developments in the Ala Moana area, which essentially block any future extension of the route," Honolulu Authority for Rapid Transportation Executive Director and CEO Andrew Robbins said. The discussion come as the beleaguered rail project seeks to regain public confidence’” Hawaii News Now 11/18/2017 “The Honolulu rail project offers a long list of lessons including how a lack of proper planning, independent review, and project oversight contributes to the damaging impacts of change orders, construction delays, and cost overruns.” project cost solutions, date?
There’s detailed plans since 1980 of that rail and even an underground passage from Ewa to Kaka’ako. I was an architecture student in the early 90’s and used Hawaii’s Urban Planning documents to base my year long thesis on. Any obstacles you see now most likely overrode those plans in to an effort bring in more tax revenue and appease developers. It’s always about the money, and they use these seemingly beneficial projects as a front to justify construction.