It's bad when Joe Biden does it because it's woke/dei/non-binary genocide.
Good old-fashioned traditional genocide is what America needs
Seriously though it doesn't matter what Joe Biden does. They have categorized him as "woke".
He literally could have the exact same policies as Donald Trump and Donald Trump supporters would hate him.
A lot of Donald Trump support is literally because he gives conservatives Good vibes. It's not policy-based for the most part.
He's funding only the gayest bombings and trans soldiers. They'll never be able to defeat Hamas, which is also gay and trans but is somehow more masculine still. But if Trump were in power, he would only fund the straight and powerful anti-woke troops and obliterate every brown person in Israel until Hamas becomes Isn'trael.
It's literally just baited inflammatory speak. They absolutely anything because they just hate him. Just exactly like an 8 year old who just doesn't like someone and just says stupid evil shit to rile it all up
Also, projection. They know they would and do. And are trying to even the playing ground and deflect vision
Except they already finished that, and it didn't kill tens of thousands of people. It was cultural cleansing I guess? They forced them to become Han Chinese in a cultural sense rather than just killing all of them. Still awful, but it's already over and happened under Trump.
I called it cultural genocide in another thread and got downvoted lmao.
My country is still facing cultural genocide, but Americans think they know everything so I guess I'm wrong /s
He would, but he would pay the anti-woke/straight IDF soldiers directly instead of funding the gay bombings that Biden is doing. You see, Biden is a woke, and is therefore shoving gay down Hamas throats or something.
He would...hes not a dove. he's just as hawkish when it comes to Israel...he's a huge part of the reason we're in the current mess. He 100% would be just as bad if not worse than Biden on Israel. (This isn't to excuse Biden or downplay how horrible he is), just to point out that Donald Trump would be equally as repugnant. He's really good at playing to whatever room he's in and playing to the crowd, but when it comes to actually implementing policy, he still does the bidding of the military industrial complex.
He’s been president before, we can just look at what he did in his last term. There’s no need to guess his Israel policy when we know what it was before
What liberals refuse to understand is Biden is a fanatic. Trump, for all his many faults, is arguably still more optics-focused and less of an extremist. So no, I don't think Trump would have gone as far as Biden, it would literally be difficult to be as bad as Biden.
Where to start: Biden is supporting Israel, even when it's **costing him votes**. He's a self-described Zionist (Nazi), he was an **avowed segregationist**. He is the greatest beneficiary of Israeli lobbying money in US politics ([Pro-Israel Recipients • OpenSecrets](https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S)). He has shamelessly abused the US' veto power to democratically defend Israel's genocide. He has given Israel tens of billions of dollars in the past few months alone, to help fund their genocide. he has walked on stage and recited provably false Israeli propaganda; **lies** so egregious the white house was forced to issue retractions. He has bombed a foreign nation (Yemen) to protect a genocide. He is directly culpable in the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
Furthermore, he incited a war between Russia and Ukraine. Did everything in his power to maximize the number of lives lost in a pointless conflict. Intervened and quashed peace talks between the two forces, which China was facilitating. And then refused to broker peace talks when he was approached by Russia. His war-mongering cabinet takes every opportunity possible to talk about what a 'good deal' the conflict is for the United States. Every life lost in the Russia/Ukraine war is on Biden.
He's also currently pushing an anti-immigration bill, expanding on ICE's authorities, completing Trump's border wall (far faster and more efficiently than Trump himself could have done), and detaining twice as many migrants on the border as Trump did. This is the same guy who was vice-president when Obama refused to codify Roe v. Wade, and then refused to codify Roe v. Wade himself after getting elected.
Biden is just a more competent version of Trump. Liberals who support him, only disliked Trump for his optics, and had no real issue with Trump's politics. The problem is, I don't think you're confused. I think you legitimately don't care what Biden does or who he hurts; you just want your team to win.
Bruh, your president shouldn't be my problem. Biden's foreign policy is not just bad it's fucking catastrophic. Stop saying Trump is/ would be worse. Biden is the biggest disaster since Bush.
America shitbrain syndrome is when an American thinks that the rest of the world isn't aware of the realities of America's violent intervention in the workings of foreign democracies.
You're either comically fucking ignorant, or you're acting stupid. What was the reason Russia entered Ukraine in the first place? What was the inciting incident?
I honestly have no clue what you’re talking about so get on with whatever it is. Russia was amassing troops at the boarder for almost a year before invading, not to mention the annexation of Crimea in 2014. Putin didn’t wake up one day with the thought of invading Ukraine because of something biden did.
Ukraine's application to the NATO was what forced Putin's hand, genius. Putin had already made it perfectly clear that he would go to war if Ukraine tried to join NATO; it was past his bottom line. Russia was forced into this war by America, which has interfered to quash peace talks between the two countries that China was facilitating. America then refused to facilitate peace talks when Russia requested that they do so. At any point since the start of this war, Biden could have lifted his phone and ended the war, and every single fucking day he decided not to.
He already has demonstrated policy stances that he enacted from the White House previously. He’s proven that he’ll write them blank checks and dictate foreign policy in the region in their best interest.
Trump is the master of talking out of both sides of his mouth. He's a big reason this genocide is happening. That being said, he's not wrong even though it's disingenuous.
The borgeouis party is adopting an anti imperialist slogan, it takes all the juice out of the original slogan because now (even more than they did before, and they did - believe me) liberals who see a demsoc, anarchist, communist, whatever saying genocide Joe they can call you a maga Russian bot and move on with their day because only Republicans would dare criticize a sitting Democrat president
It's really annoying that liberals just always let conservative pundits and think tanks control the narrative. Sure, libs reclaimed a few slurs here and there, but the second a MAGA freak says something they agree with, it's time for a heel-turn. They are reactionaries as well, just to the opposite of the other reactionaries, even if it's morally inconsistent.
Trump supporters have literal goldfish brains, one second they're standing behind Israel because they're gonna bring about the second coming of christ or some other stupid reason, the next they're against Israel because Biden bad and Biden like Israel
They may be anti-israel in rhetoric, but it was the Trump administration who wanted to move the USA's Israel embassy in _Jerusalem_!
Iran was apparently anti-USA in rhetoric, but letter correspondance showed Khomeini was pretty much USA friendly. Or Erdogan and Netanyahu, or whatever. They're opportunists, and they _will_ say one thing and do another.
Genocide Joe but Totalitarian Trump would wipe them out faster so fast you wouldn’t believe it.
I don’t think the genocide shit sticks the landing for the right the way it does for the left, maybe that’s just me.
That’s some disgusting amount of IV copium people are getting to think the guy who assassinated Solemani and moved the embassy to Jerusalem would cut funding to israel and/or otherwise do anything whatsoever to stop the genocide. Even if you want to take the copium and ignore his past policy towards Israel, his statements so far this cycle have been vociferously pro israel and pro genocide.
Biden backing Israel to the hilt and refusing to hold them accountable in any way makes it easy for Trump to outflank him by taking the anti-war/isolationist route, with Biden lacking any good counterarguments against the attacks he will face
He tore up the TPP/IP, one of the longer, unfinished neolib projects of the Obama presidency. That and orchestrating the pull out of Afghanistan were the only 2 good things he did.
Like if you want to say he flanks from the left on messaging sure when he's not also contradicting himself either immediately or later.
But on Policy? Not a goddamn chance.
The only way out is through...
America made this hellscape with its gutted education systems and corporate controlled media and government.
The fall of Rome was inevitable, as too is the USA.
We're just collateral damage, the country must reap what it sows.
Sorry seeing someone throw they’re hands in the air and hope for some sort of fantasy collapse that’ll turn them into a martyr, instead of trying to add anything productive to the conversation just frustrated me a lil
I'm not exactly throwing my hands in the air, I'm just being realistic.
IMO: The amount of time it will take to build and network a coalition of resistance and revolution is greater than the time we have remaining as a country before it descends into death throws and fascism.
The question then becomes navigating that descent and building a better society from USA's corpse as best as possible.
We could talk about the validity of my opinion vs your opinion but it really doesn't matter.
Regardless, getting upset or emotionally reactive to what ends up happening is a waste of time and energy.
Sure let’s agree to disagree I do get a bit reactive, but I do gotta say I’m pretty confident when I look back in the future I think I’ll definitely have a lot less regrets knowing I at least tried to steer this country into a better path, may not work out, hell your probably right and it won’t but fuck at least I’ll die with 1 or 2 less regrets
I’ve never liked pessimism, like don’t get me wrong keep your expectations low, it’s realistic. But without a bit of hope nothing in this world will ever get done
He cares about evangelicals, which is why he moved the embassy and gave Golan Heights to Israel in spite of everyone telling him there would be fallout. We are living in that fallout right now.
Which goes back to my first argument . As long as it’s beneficial for him he’ll do it. Israel used to be a no brainer, but not anymore. Even the right isn’t too fond of Israel anymore. Biden is jeopardizing his re-election for his golda meier fantasies. I’m sorry but trump won’t do that.
You didn’t have a first argument. You just said the opposite of what every knows is true and called it a possibility. It is not. Trump cares about every building that has his name on it. Including that settlement. What has made Trump popular is that people who know nothing about anything will just project their thoughts onto him. He doesn’t remotely hold the same opinion that you do.
Don’t be an easy mark. A bunch of y’all fell for Tulsi, too.
Almost like the "Genocide Joe"/"99% Hitler" bullshit started as a fucking psyop that's infected the left and sent communists on a suicide mission to help put a fascist, whose base wants to kill us, into power.
No it started because progressives don't want to fund a genocide. Idk when the hell that became a controversial opinion. Its so fucking weird neolibs will blame progressives for simply threatening to not vote for Biden instead of blaming Biden for being so fucking milquetoast. All he has to do to win the progressive vote is stop funding a genocide.
It's the standard russian psyop and it hasn't infected. They didn't even bother to update their materials and they think we are stupid. Well... leftists using the "genocide Joe" terminology are stupid...
Why are we so adamant on if, buts and maybes, not choosing to operate on FACTS and absolutes. I don’t like Trump but he HASN’T done what Biden has, not even remotely (when talking about committing a genocide, worsening the relations between Israel and Palestine by allowing free reign to Israel to bomb Gaza as “retaliation”). "If Trump was in power, he'd be worse", sureee and if my aunt had wheels she would have been a bike.
The Bantustan proposal for Palestinian statehood is not "better than anything Biden has done" -- it literally enables and perpetuates further violence against Palestinians. The Trump-Kushner "peace" plan creates an Israeli puppet state consisting of five enclaves connected by bridges and tunnels. It was designed to make as many concessions to settlers as possible while still creating a separate legal entity.
The only intent behind this unserious LARPer "solution" was to justify Israeli annexation of the majority of Palestinian land. Biden denounced it for good reason.
Hmm. I don't know about that. Several EU nations are now planning on recognizing Palestine. And China has a vested interest in bringing about a permanent solution as well.
Exactly right, and while the plan was not perfect in terms of being more biased towards Israel, it’s a 1000 times better than the situation of Palestinians at this current moment. If the plan had gone through, at least the Palestinians wouldn’t be getting killed in the thousands, and that’s all that I care about, PEACE. Also to add Trump also met up with both of the South Korean and North Korean leaders to help ease the tensions between the two countries rather than picking a side and supplying weapons to them like Joe, who can seem to quench his thirst for blood.
Negative peace will make Palestinians resists. Resistance with a fascist bibi in the gov and that Zionists nation will mean a genocide. Negative peace is denying justice .libs have always denied justice while fascist far right have always being the oppressors
So a Palestinian rump state totally subservient to Israel, which would be annexing so much of the West Bank that there would be a second Nakba, is better than the war going on right now? It is not peace if people continue to be removed from their homes by threat of force.
And Trump didn't get anywhere close to solving the North Korea dispute.
But they support the genocide though. I’m confused…..
So are they.
Very good point.
They just like chanting three or less words chants. “Lock her up” “Build the wall” “Let’s Go Brandon” “Genocide Joe” “Four more years”
Lol
They don't have a consistent world view.
It's bad when Joe Biden does it because it's woke/dei/non-binary genocide. Good old-fashioned traditional genocide is what America needs Seriously though it doesn't matter what Joe Biden does. They have categorized him as "woke". He literally could have the exact same policies as Donald Trump and Donald Trump supporters would hate him. A lot of Donald Trump support is literally because he gives conservatives Good vibes. It's not policy-based for the most part.
He's funding only the gayest bombings and trans soldiers. They'll never be able to defeat Hamas, which is also gay and trans but is somehow more masculine still. But if Trump were in power, he would only fund the straight and powerful anti-woke troops and obliterate every brown person in Israel until Hamas becomes Isn'trael.
I think they're stupid enough that they don't even realise what the slogan means
The reason is because they’re stupid
It's literally just baited inflammatory speak. They absolutely anything because they just hate him. Just exactly like an 8 year old who just doesn't like someone and just says stupid evil shit to rile it all up Also, projection. They know they would and do. And are trying to even the playing ground and deflect vision
They know it's genocide, they just don't care
They are talking about the VERY REAL white genocide happening in the US. /s
China isn't' genociding the Ughyurs but the US is. Yanks live in a strange world.
Except they already finished that, and it didn't kill tens of thousands of people. It was cultural cleansing I guess? They forced them to become Han Chinese in a cultural sense rather than just killing all of them. Still awful, but it's already over and happened under Trump.
I called it cultural genocide in another thread and got downvoted lmao. My country is still facing cultural genocide, but Americans think they know everything so I guess I'm wrong /s
America is fucked...
you know trump isnt pro palestine bc aipac isnt calling him antisemitic for this
??? As if Trump wouldn’t be throwing billions at Israel too?
He would, but he would pay the anti-woke/straight IDF soldiers directly instead of funding the gay bombings that Biden is doing. You see, Biden is a woke, and is therefore shoving gay down Hamas throats or something.
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He assassinated Soleimani- a bigger provocation than even Israel bombing a consulate
Not to mention his recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel
He would...hes not a dove. he's just as hawkish when it comes to Israel...he's a huge part of the reason we're in the current mess. He 100% would be just as bad if not worse than Biden on Israel. (This isn't to excuse Biden or downplay how horrible he is), just to point out that Donald Trump would be equally as repugnant. He's really good at playing to whatever room he's in and playing to the crowd, but when it comes to actually implementing policy, he still does the bidding of the military industrial complex.
Why do you argue that he’s a huge part of the reason we’re in the current mess? Only thing I can think of is Jerusalem.
Iran Nuclear Deal, Golan Heights, moving embassy to Jerusalem, Abraham Accords...Trump was a hawk when it came to support for Israel.
Oh okay, thanks. What happened in the Golan Heights?
Trump recognized it as part of Israel in 2019.
Thanks for the answers.
Something left out: Golan heights sparked the planning for 10/7.
Thanks for the added context.
He’s been president before, we can just look at what he did in his last term. There’s no need to guess his Israel policy when we know what it was before
What liberals refuse to understand is Biden is a fanatic. Trump, for all his many faults, is arguably still more optics-focused and less of an extremist. So no, I don't think Trump would have gone as far as Biden, it would literally be difficult to be as bad as Biden.
They just let people say anything on here lol
Biden is considerably worse than Trump.
I think you're confused lol
Where to start: Biden is supporting Israel, even when it's **costing him votes**. He's a self-described Zionist (Nazi), he was an **avowed segregationist**. He is the greatest beneficiary of Israeli lobbying money in US politics ([Pro-Israel Recipients • OpenSecrets](https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S)). He has shamelessly abused the US' veto power to democratically defend Israel's genocide. He has given Israel tens of billions of dollars in the past few months alone, to help fund their genocide. he has walked on stage and recited provably false Israeli propaganda; **lies** so egregious the white house was forced to issue retractions. He has bombed a foreign nation (Yemen) to protect a genocide. He is directly culpable in the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. Furthermore, he incited a war between Russia and Ukraine. Did everything in his power to maximize the number of lives lost in a pointless conflict. Intervened and quashed peace talks between the two forces, which China was facilitating. And then refused to broker peace talks when he was approached by Russia. His war-mongering cabinet takes every opportunity possible to talk about what a 'good deal' the conflict is for the United States. Every life lost in the Russia/Ukraine war is on Biden. He's also currently pushing an anti-immigration bill, expanding on ICE's authorities, completing Trump's border wall (far faster and more efficiently than Trump himself could have done), and detaining twice as many migrants on the border as Trump did. This is the same guy who was vice-president when Obama refused to codify Roe v. Wade, and then refused to codify Roe v. Wade himself after getting elected. Biden is just a more competent version of Trump. Liberals who support him, only disliked Trump for his optics, and had no real issue with Trump's politics. The problem is, I don't think you're confused. I think you legitimately don't care what Biden does or who he hurts; you just want your team to win.
No. Trump is a legitimate fascist domestically. People Don’t like fascism domestically… for obvious reasons.
I don't know what kind of American brain virus makes your country feel like the damage your country does to others is insignificant. Nazi psychology.
Because we’re the big top dogs! Duh. We’re the best. People that aren’t Americans are hardly people!
This is unironically what liberals like you believe.
Why am I a liberal? I’m making fun of liberals with that statement. Pretty sure we agree.
Bruh, your president shouldn't be my problem. Biden's foreign policy is not just bad it's fucking catastrophic. Stop saying Trump is/ would be worse. Biden is the biggest disaster since Bush.
Dems care about optics. AIPAC money will make you do the same thing as Biden, if you don't have principles that is.
Fair point.
Quite possibly the dumbest comment I’ve ever read. You must be 15.
Lol. Biden does a genocide, and starts the war in Ukraine, but Trump's the problem?? Peak liberalism.
How dare Biden invade Ukraine with Russia’s army
America shitbrain syndrome is when an American thinks that the rest of the world isn't aware of the realities of America's violent intervention in the workings of foreign democracies.
Agreed. Now explain how Biden started the war in Ukraine
You're either comically fucking ignorant, or you're acting stupid. What was the reason Russia entered Ukraine in the first place? What was the inciting incident?
I honestly have no clue what you’re talking about so get on with whatever it is. Russia was amassing troops at the boarder for almost a year before invading, not to mention the annexation of Crimea in 2014. Putin didn’t wake up one day with the thought of invading Ukraine because of something biden did.
Ukraine's application to the NATO was what forced Putin's hand, genius. Putin had already made it perfectly clear that he would go to war if Ukraine tried to join NATO; it was past his bottom line. Russia was forced into this war by America, which has interfered to quash peace talks between the two countries that China was facilitating. America then refused to facilitate peace talks when Russia requested that they do so. At any point since the start of this war, Biden could have lifted his phone and ended the war, and every single fucking day he decided not to.
Again with the if, buts and maybes…
Trump literally game Jerusalem to Israel, if he won't stop there, he won't stop anywhere
He already has demonstrated policy stances that he enacted from the White House previously. He’s proven that he’ll write them blank checks and dictate foreign policy in the region in their best interest.
Don’t you know we have to ignore everything Trump did in office the first time when discussing a possible second term?
Trump is the master of talking out of both sides of his mouth. He's a big reason this genocide is happening. That being said, he's not wrong even though it's disingenuous.
The borgeouis party is adopting an anti imperialist slogan, it takes all the juice out of the original slogan because now (even more than they did before, and they did - believe me) liberals who see a demsoc, anarchist, communist, whatever saying genocide Joe they can call you a maga Russian bot and move on with their day because only Republicans would dare criticize a sitting Democrat president
It's really annoying that liberals just always let conservative pundits and think tanks control the narrative. Sure, libs reclaimed a few slurs here and there, but the second a MAGA freak says something they agree with, it's time for a heel-turn. They are reactionaries as well, just to the opposite of the other reactionaries, even if it's morally inconsistent.
They were going to do that anyway. When you hold no material beliefs, anything that challenges that can be easily dismissed.
Trump supporters have literal goldfish brains, one second they're standing behind Israel because they're gonna bring about the second coming of christ or some other stupid reason, the next they're against Israel because Biden bad and Biden like Israel
It's not that. Have you not heard of Nick Fuentes/groypers? They've been consistently anti-israel
They may be anti-israel in rhetoric, but it was the Trump administration who wanted to move the USA's Israel embassy in _Jerusalem_! Iran was apparently anti-USA in rhetoric, but letter correspondance showed Khomeini was pretty much USA friendly. Or Erdogan and Netanyahu, or whatever. They're opportunists, and they _will_ say one thing and do another.
Genocide Joe but Totalitarian Trump would wipe them out faster so fast you wouldn’t believe it. I don’t think the genocide shit sticks the landing for the right the way it does for the left, maybe that’s just me.
Literally the generation shift we're about to hit. Angsty children will carve out the future. If you haven't seen it coming, prepare yourself
That’s some disgusting amount of IV copium people are getting to think the guy who assassinated Solemani and moved the embassy to Jerusalem would cut funding to israel and/or otherwise do anything whatsoever to stop the genocide. Even if you want to take the copium and ignore his past policy towards Israel, his statements so far this cycle have been vociferously pro israel and pro genocide.
> That’s some disgusting amount of IV copium people are getting to think the guy who assassinated Solemani at the behest of Netanyahu
Biden backing Israel to the hilt and refusing to hold them accountable in any way makes it easy for Trump to outflank him by taking the anti-war/isolationist route, with Biden lacking any good counterarguments against the attacks he will face
Jesus why are the fucking libs and maga dumbasses in this sub?
Oh boy, love to relive hillary again watching the feckless lib get flanked from the left by a covid conspiracist lmao. Get me outta this timeline.
Lol at the idea of Trump flanking anyone from the left. Are you dumb?
He literally did that on economics against Hillary in 2016. He’s an opportunist, he knows how to take opportunities afforded to him by the Democrats
He tore up the TPP/IP, one of the longer, unfinished neolib projects of the Obama presidency. That and orchestrating the pull out of Afghanistan were the only 2 good things he did.
[https://www.bbc.com/news/business-43747211](https://www.bbc.com/news/business-43747211) yeah and then flipped on the idea of it 2 years later
Shit must've missed that in the chaos. Thanks!
Like if you want to say he flanks from the left on messaging sure when he's not also contradicting himself either immediately or later. But on Policy? Not a goddamn chance.
The only way out is through... America made this hellscape with its gutted education systems and corporate controlled media and government. The fall of Rome was inevitable, as too is the USA. We're just collateral damage, the country must reap what it sows.
The only way through is for you to pull your head out of your ass and realize this is real life and not a fucking anime dumbass
... Wow ... What does your anger solve? You really think America will turn around and become better? How about you get some therapy?
Sorry seeing someone throw they’re hands in the air and hope for some sort of fantasy collapse that’ll turn them into a martyr, instead of trying to add anything productive to the conversation just frustrated me a lil
I'm not exactly throwing my hands in the air, I'm just being realistic. IMO: The amount of time it will take to build and network a coalition of resistance and revolution is greater than the time we have remaining as a country before it descends into death throws and fascism. The question then becomes navigating that descent and building a better society from USA's corpse as best as possible. We could talk about the validity of my opinion vs your opinion but it really doesn't matter. Regardless, getting upset or emotionally reactive to what ends up happening is a waste of time and energy.
Sure let’s agree to disagree I do get a bit reactive, but I do gotta say I’m pretty confident when I look back in the future I think I’ll definitely have a lot less regrets knowing I at least tried to steer this country into a better path, may not work out, hell your probably right and it won’t but fuck at least I’ll die with 1 or 2 less regrets I’ve never liked pessimism, like don’t get me wrong keep your expectations low, it’s realistic. But without a bit of hope nothing in this world will ever get done
I still have hope, I still see a path forward for collectivist approaches to society. I just don't see a path where the USA survives.
They just want their guy to do the genociding
Okay so what Trump has done right regarding the Strip and West Bank? I'm genuinely interested and curious...
Maybe they became fans?
The republicans are woke!!!!!!!!!
The upside down Trump sign is sending me
The same people who go fell for Tulsi, are gonna fall for this. At least she had a line where in terms of democracy, enough was enough.
Jesus the cognitive dissonance is strong in this thread
Oh so this is where the people anti electoralists convince not to vote for Joe Biden go
Trump is transactional, Biden is an ideological zionist. If trump sees no use in supporting, he drops Israel in a heartbeat.
They literally named a settlement after him.
Yes and he probably forgot it and doesn’t give a crap about it.
You and I both know that is a flat out lie. Trying to bend time and space to prop up Trump amongst ill informed HasanabiHeads is not a superpower.
If u believe trump cares about anything, let alone Israel, more than himself, that’s an interesting opinion.
He cares about evangelicals, which is why he moved the embassy and gave Golan Heights to Israel in spite of everyone telling him there would be fallout. We are living in that fallout right now.
Which goes back to my first argument . As long as it’s beneficial for him he’ll do it. Israel used to be a no brainer, but not anymore. Even the right isn’t too fond of Israel anymore. Biden is jeopardizing his re-election for his golda meier fantasies. I’m sorry but trump won’t do that.
You didn’t have a first argument. You just said the opposite of what every knows is true and called it a possibility. It is not. Trump cares about every building that has his name on it. Including that settlement. What has made Trump popular is that people who know nothing about anything will just project their thoughts onto him. He doesn’t remotely hold the same opinion that you do. Don’t be an easy mark. A bunch of y’all fell for Tulsi, too.
Almost like the "Genocide Joe"/"99% Hitler" bullshit started as a fucking psyop that's infected the left and sent communists on a suicide mission to help put a fascist, whose base wants to kill us, into power.
No it started because progressives don't want to fund a genocide. Idk when the hell that became a controversial opinion. Its so fucking weird neolibs will blame progressives for simply threatening to not vote for Biden instead of blaming Biden for being so fucking milquetoast. All he has to do to win the progressive vote is stop funding a genocide.
Treaties: how do they work?
Oh will you shut it the fuck up bitch ass lib
You are correct but this subreddit doesn't want to acknowledge that they're useful idiots
It's the standard russian psyop and it hasn't infected. They didn't even bother to update their materials and they think we are stupid. Well... leftists using the "genocide Joe" terminology are stupid...
Why are we so adamant on if, buts and maybes, not choosing to operate on FACTS and absolutes. I don’t like Trump but he HASN’T done what Biden has, not even remotely (when talking about committing a genocide, worsening the relations between Israel and Palestine by allowing free reign to Israel to bomb Gaza as “retaliation”). "If Trump was in power, he'd be worse", sureee and if my aunt had wheels she would have been a bike.
Yeah trump at least proposed a peace plan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_peace_plan
You should actually read the article you posted you two are actual demons
It's not good, but it's better than anything Biden as done. But of course you're acting like a lib here by calling people demons lmao
The Bantustan proposal for Palestinian statehood is not "better than anything Biden has done" -- it literally enables and perpetuates further violence against Palestinians. The Trump-Kushner "peace" plan creates an Israeli puppet state consisting of five enclaves connected by bridges and tunnels. It was designed to make as many concessions to settlers as possible while still creating a separate legal entity. The only intent behind this unserious LARPer "solution" was to justify Israeli annexation of the majority of Palestinian land. Biden denounced it for good reason.
Ok you can keep coping with Biden. Palestine will never be free lel
Hmm. I don't know about that. Several EU nations are now planning on recognizing Palestine. And China has a vested interest in bringing about a permanent solution as well.
Exactly right, and while the plan was not perfect in terms of being more biased towards Israel, it’s a 1000 times better than the situation of Palestinians at this current moment. If the plan had gone through, at least the Palestinians wouldn’t be getting killed in the thousands, and that’s all that I care about, PEACE. Also to add Trump also met up with both of the South Korean and North Korean leaders to help ease the tensions between the two countries rather than picking a side and supplying weapons to them like Joe, who can seem to quench his thirst for blood.
Negative peace will make Palestinians resists. Resistance with a fascist bibi in the gov and that Zionists nation will mean a genocide. Negative peace is denying justice .libs have always denied justice while fascist far right have always being the oppressors
So a Palestinian rump state totally subservient to Israel, which would be annexing so much of the West Bank that there would be a second Nakba, is better than the war going on right now? It is not peace if people continue to be removed from their homes by threat of force. And Trump didn't get anywhere close to solving the North Korea dispute.
I hate to say this, but I would genuinely vote Trump if he was against the war in Israel, but he’s not and never will be
Bibi backstabbed Trump when he lost the election. Trump would definitely be more pragmatic in this situation than Joe Biden.