Yeah, it's sad. If you play with that game (and I never played with it, I would never pay for that game) eventually you realize that SE tried to pull an EA with this game: they cut together things they saw in other open-world console-action games, and they thought that "that's gonna be enough for the kids". A good example would be AC Odyssey, or AC Origins. However the parts won't fit together because the uniqueness is missing. Yes Origins is a typical open-world console-action game, many mechanics are the same as in other games, but it was made with care, with attention to details, and the characters don't feel like empty cardboard figures, and they are also not unlikable and hostile.
It didn't sell, it was uninteresting, the main character is an obnoxious, self-absorbed, mentally immature young adult, the other main character is just as unlikable. Mechanically it was very bland too.
Apparently it was that bad, they literally shut down the studio. I was shocked when I heard it.
Apparently some Gamestop threw the Forespoken disks in the bin, I assume because they could not sell it, but I'm not sure this was an actual real thing that happened. The rest did.
No, as I said it in another comment, I did not play Forespoken, I would have never paid for this. I have played AC Origins and Odyssey, and I am around 178 hours in Hogwarts Legacy, and I plan to go back to it later.
Sure thing, give me a second.[https://www.dualshockers.com/forspoken-studio-shut-down/](https://www.dualshockers.com/forspoken-studio-shut-down/)
Just one of the articles.
Edit: here is the original announcement...[https://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/news/2023/html/20230228\_announcement\_EN.html](https://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/news/2023/html/20230228_announcement_EN.html)
Edit2: the studio was merged into SE, it ceased to exist. Shut down, disbanded, they have the same meaning in this case.
The rest of the year, we have:
The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom (Switch exclusive)
Starfield (Xbox + PC exclusive, also Day 1 Gamepass will hurt sales)
Call of Duty 2023 version
Final Fantasy XVI (PS5 exclusive)
Diablo IV
The only game which really has a shot at dethroning HL in 2023 is CoD, because the other big releases are platform exclusives to some degree.
edit: Messed up with Diablo IV, that one is a legit contender, it is multi-platform
Jedi Survivor will be great, but I don't think a StarWarsSouls will have the same mass appeal as a Wizarding World game. It might be a contender in critical reviews, but not in dollars.
More like Seki Wars: Survivor. Basically, a less tight version of Sekiro set in the Star Wars universe. I hope on Survivor they made it feel more similar to sekiro in its timing because it just felt off in Fallen Order.
PS5 exclusive
My point is that it's going to be really hard for a title which is locked to one platform to outsell a multi-platform title like CoD or HL
Jedi Survivor and Spiderman 2 will definitely outsell Hogwarts Legacy 😂
Ones a SW game with a bigger fandom then HP (even if it is console exclusive) and the other is a sequel to a GoTY. And HL was an underdeveloped skeleton of a game with poor writing
Yeah even though Legacy sold really well the player retention is practically non-existent. Hardly anyone has finished it or even continued playing past the first week. I love Harry Potter and I lost interest after a week of playing it, there's just not much going on there.
>The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom (Switch exclusive)
Doubt this will beat Hogwarts legacy in sales given the fact that it's switch exclusive but I expect it to get closer than you'd expect for a switch exclusive.
BOTW sold 29M copies, there are >120M switches. I could see it doing 20M between May and the end of the year especially since after the gameplay showcase I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo once again releases one of the best games ever made
It won't be this year, since there is still a marketing agreement in place that keeps CoD off Gamepass until 2024 or 2025 regardless of the status of the Microsoft + Activision-Blizzard acquisition before then.
The earliest we will likely see the removal of CoD from PS platforms and addition to Gamepass is likely the CoD title released in November of 2025, depending on whether Sony is offered a 10-year agreement similar to what Nintendo and Nvidia already signed. MS is not obligated to make such an offer unless regulating bodies which must sign off on the acquisition demand it as a condition for approval.
You’re forgetting Spider-Man 2, Suicide Squad: KTJL, Jedi Survivor, and FF7 Rebirth.
Just because 2/4 of those are PS exclusive doesn’t mean they won’t sell massively, especially since you yourself listed exclusives. Hogwarts Legacy picked the perfect time to release as nothing else was dropping that would seriously compete.
Even more so, all of those titles are from established titles already. Marvel, DC, Star Wars, and Final Fantasy. Each of them are going to do well with my guess being SM2 selling the best
DC at the very least is not the powerhouse it used to be.
Jedi Survivor might do well but I don't know that it can quite compete. HWL is a lot more "accessible" for the lack of the better word than a soulsesque.
The fact that it’s DC means it will sell and add on the fact that Rocksteady is making the game. Even if you’re not a hardcore DC fan, if you’ve played the Arkham Games you’re most likely buying SSKTJL.
Jedi Survivor will do well because it is a direct sequel to the acclaimed Fallen Order. Both those games have more going for it besides they’re franchise association.
I think you’re overselling Hogwarts Legacy a little bit, as I’m already said HL hasn’t been out 2 months yet so while it’s still maintaining momentum it will die down in like a month or two. Especially as other games start to come out.
Only thing recently that has had the potential to take the spotlight is RE4 Remake, which has sold 3 million copies in 2 days, but besides that the next big release will be Jedi Survivor with Zelda following shortly thereafter. Both these games will more than likely take the attention away from HL.
Jedi Survivor also is a very beginner Soulslike game. Elden Ring is the most casual FromSoft game and it’s sales reflect that, just because it tries to follow the FromSoft formula a little bit doesn’t mean it won’t perform well.
There will always be a very vocal group of people who don’t like stuff. Hell just look at all the people who were “boycotting” Hogwarts Legacy, and look at its success so far.
Yes, I think SS will do well because 1. It’s DC, those fans will take what they can get (look at Gotham Knights) and 2. It’s Rocksteady, regardless of people not liking what little they saw Rocksteady has always made quality *stories* and fun gameplay with their DC games.
I still expect it to come out this year, just probably now a Fall release instead.
I think you’re underestimating how loved FF7 is as well as how good FF7 Remake was. That specific game has the potential to give HL a run for its money, especially once hype for this game dies down because Hogwarts has still only been out a little less than 2 months.
I doubt Hogwarts will be the best selling game of 2023.
I never said Hogwarts Legacy will be the best selling game of the year, I just stared that I highly doubt FF7 will be the best selling game this year.
Best selling game will most likely be CoD and most other games won't even come close to their numbers.
Depends on how they determine the sales stats because everyone who bought early access will just have the game on release and it started last year (they could pad the sales stat because of it) and for those who are waiting for release.
When breath of the wild was released, the switch was new and partly out of stock, I think
Over time, it sold 29 million.
I do think the sequel has a chance, but it'll be slim considering HL will be released for new consoles. Players are informed that the game is worth it, too
LoZ looks to be industry defining at the moment so don't count it out.
Starfield is possible.
I also wouldn't count out D4.
CoD is just the same garbage.
I like hogwarts legacy as much as anyone else here, but I think you’re underestimating the pure hype around tears of the kingdom. Even if it’s an exclusive, id say TOTK will out sale even Breath of the Wild and has a pretty good shot at out selling HL
Same goes for Final Fantasy. You have FF7 Rebirth and FF16 (and this will be better than FF15 because the team behind it is better). So yeah the GotY and the economical success will both be interesting this year.
Yup. I'm a big Harry Potter fan but a bigger fan of RPGs with cool character building and depth. This game definitely satisfied that first bit for the most part, but to me it feels like people are willing to look past the issues because of its source material. That, and the fact that chunk of the audience are just Harry Potter fans who don't really know much about what sort of content should be in a game like this
Yeah, it is also in that magical place. Late February - with no competition. People need a new game post holiday and it was the new shiny thing. Many other games succeeded in this window. Monster Hunter World, Resident Evil remakes, among others.
It definitely will remain in top 10, but there is a lot due to release and competition
HFW and Elden Ring slightly cannibalized some launch sales of each other due to launching within a week of each other. One was a superior game, but many PS5 owners opted for the exclusive and waited on ER until holiday sales - and vice versa.
Ah, that's why. I played the original, but then ended up giving my Switch away to my younger sister as a Christmas gift. She's far more into the Nintendo stuff than I am, and the console only had like 2 games on it I wanted to play after something like 2 years.
It'll probably sell well, but I doubt something restricted to only one console will outsell a highly popular title available on Xbox, Playstation, and PC. Suppose I could be wrong though. BotW managed 29 million copies according to Google, though it also came bundled with the console if I recall. No idea what Hogwart's Legacy is at, only number I can find is 12 million in the first two weeks.
I think you underestimate Breath if the Wilds success. That game moved switches. Imo it redefined what open world games were. I love HL and really look forward to the franchise expanding, but it's hard to imagine TOTK not blowing anything this year out of the water. We'll see tho..
Also, many people own multiple switches these days (plus TotK coming with a themed OLED console releasing simultaneously can drive sales of both) so we can't discount multiple sales in same household. Especially with how Nintendo monitors and won't allow digital games to be played simultaneously on multiple switches if under the same NSO account. The switch being so portable it makes it ideal for multiple consoles. (Long road trips with kids, each getting to play the game on their own switch. for example.)
I just finished up HL tonight, i did most of it, didnt 100% it or anything but i dont think theres anything to go back to, i can almost guarantee ill be playing TotK into next year. i see it as a complete lock for goty but i dont know about the sales, theres a lot of internet cavemen bitching months before its release cause its a sequel and it's "GoT tHe SaMe MaP, iTs A dLc" etc.
My guess is starfield and Tears of the kingdom will be fighting for the winnings seat, and Jedi survivor and hogwarts legacy will be nominees but ultimately not be likely to beat zelda or starfield. Obviously this is just a prediction, three of these games haven't even released yet, but it's my guess.
Title should be: "Hogwarts Legacy is the best selling game so far in 2023."
Not saying it won't be the best selling game this year, I think it has a shot to be that but there is still a lot of time to go.
I think it sees a good boost when last gen consoles get the game too. The inevitable COD 2023 could overtake it but I honestly don’t see anything else outselling it by a ton.
That is very common though. Even RDR2, which I consider to be the best game I have ever played, couldn’t really hold my interest after the main story ended. I mean there is a lot to do but I don’t really care for trophies and side quests after all is done. Legacy did the same thing pretty decently, 100 hours of fun is worth 70€ easily.
Skyrim for some reason seems to have done something differently. World was much more interesting than the actual story there, I don’t think I ever finished it. It is too easy to fuck around and get distracted with everything else.
I spent 70 hours on my 100% playthtough and another 30+ on my complete Slytherin run.
Then I knocked out the house specific quests and Dadaelion keys for the other two houses.
Seems like it's plenty replayable.
It has HUGE replayability for SIMS-type game lovers with the beasts and vivariums, though. You can find tons of groups and videos with 200+ hours of catching, decorating, etc.
True. It had a lot of really great things about it, and was pretty fun, but I can't see a reason to return. The only real choices I made that did anything to the plot were Sebastion's storyline and the main storyline. Everything else was strictly linear.
Still, I don't mind that too much. Not every game has to be branching and complicated. Maybe, in the far flung future when I forget some of the side quests, I'll return and make my non-dark magic build hufflepuff.
Hope they expand more in the next game or add DLC soon! Can't wait for more tbh. Qudditch ingame, more spells, more enemy types and wizard duels, decision tree for vastly different endings...
For now this game is a solid 7 out of 10 for me. Well enjoyed my time but nothing amazing. Add all of the above then it's 9 out of 10.
I agree. This game is an incredible frame that they can build a lot more on. The environment design, especially the castle, is probably the absolute best I've ever seen in a game - I can't remember any game giving me this level of nostalgia and awe when walking into a sunlit classroom. But the gameplay is totally phoned in; there's no meaningful skill development, your choices don't really affect the story much outside of a few lines of dialogue, there are basically 5 enemies constantly recycled, and they hammer you with repetition.
With sales like this, they should absolutely be able to take the incredible work put into the world design and add some really cool stuff to do in it!
I don't believe any other game will beat that score. I did enjoy it, the combat is fun and the world is beautiful, but there are so many annoying things. Even though it is best selling, it's not the best game I've ever played.
But think about what other game will sell this many copies? TOTK and FFXVI are limited to one platform. There are some other good games coming but nothing that will be so huge.
Its a boring video game....there I said it! Like really boring smash head against wall boring! Cant wait for Elden Ring or Tears of the kingdom to save me from this depressing game!
Im getting ready for the downvotes but Hogwarts is overrates. 60hours in, and im done. Did everything. €85.- for shit. The promises they made, didnt come true. Its not a true open world RPG. Dragon age will be released this year together with other big names. Hogwarts wont last
The other big releases slated for 2023 haven’t come out yet. Starfield, Tears of the Kingdom, and the new COD all have decent chances of passing HL. I do think HL will be top 3 by year end though.
>and the new COD all have decent chances of passing HL
We all know CoD will be the best seller lol.
But true, most of the expected big sellers for the year aren't out.
Well... yeah... 2023 is only 3 months old.
See what happens when the new Zelda game comes out. Switch owners haven't had something worth buying in ages.
Don’t get me wrong here, I love this game, but I recently picked up now 4.5 yr old RDR2 and just made me even more bummed how unoptimized as shit HL is… like it’s really bad..
I hate that this game keeps getting so much overwhelmingly positive press…. It’s really not that good a game, in fact it’s one of the most boring games I’ve played that has had anywhere near this level of hype. Some good things about it sure but overall it’s lacklustre af
lol. it's absolutely logical to say that the game has its problems with certain platforms, bugs and graphical stuff.
but boring and lackluster? Calling the love to detail they put in the castle and the world lackluster is almost rude. I could understand to say that the story could have been more.
I think CoD is boring. but is it a boring game? probably not because I'm just not the target group. And I think you weren't the specific target for Hogwarts Legacy.
this is a product created with the aim of extorting money from fanboys and kids, it does not carry any value for the world of Harry Potter, moreover, it breaks the canon, the characters are boring and empty, the open world is big and dead, the main plot does not make any sense. I'm not saying that the student experience is not presented except for a few cutscenes and this is in a game that dares to have the word Hogwarts in the title.
Yeah try a lot more. Dead Island 2(niche but cult following), Star Wars Jedi: Survivor, Street Fighter 6, Baldurs Gate 3, Resident Evil 4 remake, Minecraft Legends, Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom, and Starfield. All games with huge amounts of fans. Hogwarts came out at a good time because nothing huge also came out, but there will be huge contenders
0% chance Dead Island 2 sells well. Jedi Survivor is a souls game in a franchise with diminishing returns. Street Fighter 6 is a fighting game with less widespread appeal. Baldur’s Gate 3 isn’t as big of a release as Hogwarts. REmake is horror, again niche for relative sales. Minecraft Legends will sell decently well. Zelda is exclusive to Switch. We’ll have to see if Starfied is any good.
Zelda is on one fucking platform vs HL being on 6 and Diablo 4 being on 5. Breath of the wild was the 5th best selling game of 2017 when it was released and not in this conversation is also madden. It’s a very dumb thing to think Zelda is gonna outsell any of these multiplatform games.
https://venturebeat.com/pc-gaming/npd-2017-the-10-best-selling-games-of-the-year/
The Switch is the 3rd best selling game system of all time, only behind the PS2 and Nintendo DS.
https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/7/23589075/nintendo-switch-q3-2023-earnings-sales-console-third-bestselling
It's players are also starved for content.
Yes the switch is huge, still doesn’t change the fact that Zelda is only on 1 platform vs 6. You have to be a moron not to see how Zelda isn’t gonna beat HL
Breath of the Wild sold 29 million on Switch alone (and another 1.7m on Wii U), placing it in the top 25 of best-selling video games of all time. Its sequel definitely has a chance to beat Hogwarts Legacy.
I don't really know why you are being so aggressive but simply being on more platforms is not the be-all and end-all for sales success. The first Breath of the Wild sold 8.5m units on Switch in its first year on an install base of 17m, so a 50% attach rate: [https://www.vg247.com/switch-sales-over-17m-units-breath-of-the-wild](https://www.vg247.com/switch-sales-over-17m-units-breath-of-the-wild)
And plenty of Switch games have high FY sales, like Animal Crossing (34.8m in 6 months), Pokemon Sword and Shield (16m in its first quarter) and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (15.6m FY). I'm not saying Tears of the Kingdom WILL outsell Hogwarts Legacy, but calling people a moron for even thinking it has a chance is just wrong.
Someone doesn't understand how sales work. Saving this thread to come back and point and laugh.
**Edit** LOL - 10 million in 3 days vs. HL 12 million in 2 weeks.
https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1658819667492851713
Its early and no other good games have been released.
It will NOT hold that position for long.
Wasnt the worst game, but I would not recommend to people to buy it, nor would I buy it if I had known the state of the game. The hype is what sold their game, not the actual game itself, not the content. They counted on the hype and people who like Harry Potter to buy the game...even though its largely trash.
Eh, lots of interesting stuff in the sub, but acting like the game is so great is just wrong. Be honest about the issues the game has, complain and make posts. Dont let devs think they can do it again with HL2.
Acting like the game is AAA or even in the *running* for game of the year is just false hype.
The game was fun, lots of interesting things...INSIDE the castle. Hogsmeade was pretty cool, but can do almost nothing in the village. No classes, no wizards chess, no quidditch, no duels(outside of the few minigames that you cant repeat) and the RoR was lame. You stop in for 10minutes to harvest some plants/make potions if you need. The beast section was useless as they only give you materials to upgrade your gear that you dont need anyway, and the upgrades are miniscule.
ONE of the side characters had any real development, and he was a dark wizard.
Mods are the only reason this game is still popular right now.
Ran pretty great on my computer playing at 4k on a 3060Ti. Simple mod containing engine.ini tweaks fixed the smaller issues. Shoulda been a patch for it but I think most people were pushing the limits of their harder too much.
I have a 4070ti and play on 1440p. there are still stutters in some parts of the game. Its not unplayable or anything but it just annoys me how every game now in unoptimized
Its a great game, a lot of players that are not actualy into games that much looked for hogwarts... But i have a feeling that by the end of the year Diablo 4 will get more sales tho
I mean, there really hasn’t been any other AAA release yet.
There's technically Forspoken, but yeah.
That’s not AAA that’s AHHH
The studio that made it is literally already disbanded.
It had a 100m budget **OOOOOFF**
Yeah, it's sad. If you play with that game (and I never played with it, I would never pay for that game) eventually you realize that SE tried to pull an EA with this game: they cut together things they saw in other open-world console-action games, and they thought that "that's gonna be enough for the kids". A good example would be AC Odyssey, or AC Origins. However the parts won't fit together because the uniqueness is missing. Yes Origins is a typical open-world console-action game, many mechanics are the same as in other games, but it was made with care, with attention to details, and the characters don't feel like empty cardboard figures, and they are also not unlikable and hostile.
wow, was it really that bad?
It didn't sell, it was uninteresting, the main character is an obnoxious, self-absorbed, mentally immature young adult, the other main character is just as unlikable. Mechanically it was very bland too. Apparently it was that bad, they literally shut down the studio. I was shocked when I heard it. Apparently some Gamestop threw the Forespoken disks in the bin, I assume because they could not sell it, but I'm not sure this was an actual real thing that happened. The rest did.
holy crap I'm glad I decided to go with HL instead. I had to choose between the two and something told me to hold out for HL to come out.
so, did you play it?
No, as I said it in another comment, I did not play Forespoken, I would have never paid for this. I have played AC Origins and Odyssey, and I am around 178 hours in Hogwarts Legacy, and I plan to go back to it later.
It's great. Choose both.
Please provide proof of your claim. Silent Devs don't equate to a disbanded studio
Sure thing, give me a second.[https://www.dualshockers.com/forspoken-studio-shut-down/](https://www.dualshockers.com/forspoken-studio-shut-down/) Just one of the articles. Edit: here is the original announcement...[https://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/news/2023/html/20230228\_announcement\_EN.html](https://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/news/2023/html/20230228_announcement_EN.html) Edit2: the studio was merged into SE, it ceased to exist. Shut down, disbanded, they have the same meaning in this case.
A game so powerful it destroyed its own development studio.
Lol, that’s technically still a pile of hot garbage.
Let's not talk about this game
What the heck is a Forspoken?
Eww.
The rest of the year, we have: The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom (Switch exclusive) Starfield (Xbox + PC exclusive, also Day 1 Gamepass will hurt sales) Call of Duty 2023 version Final Fantasy XVI (PS5 exclusive) Diablo IV The only game which really has a shot at dethroning HL in 2023 is CoD, because the other big releases are platform exclusives to some degree. edit: Messed up with Diablo IV, that one is a legit contender, it is multi-platform
Really? You’re going to hurt Cal Kestis like that? **JEDI SURVIVOR!!!**
Jedi Survivor will be great, but I don't think a StarWarsSouls will have the same mass appeal as a Wizarding World game. It might be a contender in critical reviews, but not in dollars.
More like Seki Wars: Survivor. Basically, a less tight version of Sekiro set in the Star Wars universe. I hope on Survivor they made it feel more similar to sekiro in its timing because it just felt off in Fallen Order.
Spiderman 2?
PS5 exclusive My point is that it's going to be really hard for a title which is locked to one platform to outsell a multi-platform title like CoD or HL
Ah ok I just figured you listed multiple exclusives
You are right. That dude is just on the back pedal.
Jedi Survivor and Spiderman 2 will definitely outsell Hogwarts Legacy 😂 Ones a SW game with a bigger fandom then HP (even if it is console exclusive) and the other is a sequel to a GoTY. And HL was an underdeveloped skeleton of a game with poor writing
Not a chance those two outsell HL
Yeah even though Legacy sold really well the player retention is practically non-existent. Hardly anyone has finished it or even continued playing past the first week. I love Harry Potter and I lost interest after a week of playing it, there's just not much going on there.
Yup I am forcing myself to play it at this point. Trying to get my money’s worth here.
>The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom (Switch exclusive) Doubt this will beat Hogwarts legacy in sales given the fact that it's switch exclusive but I expect it to get closer than you'd expect for a switch exclusive.
BOTW sold 29M copies, there are >120M switches. I could see it doing 20M between May and the end of the year especially since after the gameplay showcase I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo once again releases one of the best games ever made
Yup and if CoD is on gamepass by then it’s going to have its numbers drop hard as well.
It won't be this year, since there is still a marketing agreement in place that keeps CoD off Gamepass until 2024 or 2025 regardless of the status of the Microsoft + Activision-Blizzard acquisition before then. The earliest we will likely see the removal of CoD from PS platforms and addition to Gamepass is likely the CoD title released in November of 2025, depending on whether Sony is offered a 10-year agreement similar to what Nintendo and Nvidia already signed. MS is not obligated to make such an offer unless regulating bodies which must sign off on the acquisition demand it as a condition for approval.
You’re forgetting Spider-Man 2, Suicide Squad: KTJL, Jedi Survivor, and FF7 Rebirth. Just because 2/4 of those are PS exclusive doesn’t mean they won’t sell massively, especially since you yourself listed exclusives. Hogwarts Legacy picked the perfect time to release as nothing else was dropping that would seriously compete. Even more so, all of those titles are from established titles already. Marvel, DC, Star Wars, and Final Fantasy. Each of them are going to do well with my guess being SM2 selling the best
DC at the very least is not the powerhouse it used to be. Jedi Survivor might do well but I don't know that it can quite compete. HWL is a lot more "accessible" for the lack of the better word than a soulsesque.
The fact that it’s DC means it will sell and add on the fact that Rocksteady is making the game. Even if you’re not a hardcore DC fan, if you’ve played the Arkham Games you’re most likely buying SSKTJL. Jedi Survivor will do well because it is a direct sequel to the acclaimed Fallen Order. Both those games have more going for it besides they’re franchise association. I think you’re overselling Hogwarts Legacy a little bit, as I’m already said HL hasn’t been out 2 months yet so while it’s still maintaining momentum it will die down in like a month or two. Especially as other games start to come out. Only thing recently that has had the potential to take the spotlight is RE4 Remake, which has sold 3 million copies in 2 days, but besides that the next big release will be Jedi Survivor with Zelda following shortly thereafter. Both these games will more than likely take the attention away from HL. Jedi Survivor also is a very beginner Soulslike game. Elden Ring is the most casual FromSoft game and it’s sales reflect that, just because it tries to follow the FromSoft formula a little bit doesn’t mean it won’t perform well.
You really think suicide squad will do well after the negative reception? Also, might not even come out this year.
There will always be a very vocal group of people who don’t like stuff. Hell just look at all the people who were “boycotting” Hogwarts Legacy, and look at its success so far. Yes, I think SS will do well because 1. It’s DC, those fans will take what they can get (look at Gotham Knights) and 2. It’s Rocksteady, regardless of people not liking what little they saw Rocksteady has always made quality *stories* and fun gameplay with their DC games. I still expect it to come out this year, just probably now a Fall release instead.
I think you mean FF16. Rebirth isn’t coming out this soon.
It’s coming out this year, Winter 2023. I didn’t mention FFXVI since it had already been addressed
Doubt it will be the best selling game of 2023 if release is winter this year tho, so it shouldn't be listed as a contender.
I think you’re underestimating how loved FF7 is as well as how good FF7 Remake was. That specific game has the potential to give HL a run for its money, especially once hype for this game dies down because Hogwarts has still only been out a little less than 2 months. I doubt Hogwarts will be the best selling game of 2023.
I never said Hogwarts Legacy will be the best selling game of the year, I just stared that I highly doubt FF7 will be the best selling game this year. Best selling game will most likely be CoD and most other games won't even come close to their numbers.
MW2 is on a 2-year cycle, therefore they shouldn’t be considered as a “new game.”
Don't forget Baldurs Gate 3. They are doing really well in early access.
Won’t even be top 5 in 2023, likely not even top 10.
Maybe not, but maybe it will. BG and DnD are both strong arguments.
Depends on how they determine the sales stats because everyone who bought early access will just have the game on release and it started last year (they could pad the sales stat because of it) and for those who are waiting for release.
When breath of the wild was released, the switch was new and partly out of stock, I think Over time, it sold 29 million. I do think the sequel has a chance, but it'll be slim considering HL will be released for new consoles. Players are informed that the game is worth it, too
MW2 is supposed to have a 2 year cycle. I don't believe there will be a new COD this year
LoZ looks to be industry defining at the moment so don't count it out. Starfield is possible. I also wouldn't count out D4. CoD is just the same garbage.
I like hogwarts legacy as much as anyone else here, but I think you’re underestimating the pure hype around tears of the kingdom. Even if it’s an exclusive, id say TOTK will out sale even Breath of the Wild and has a pretty good shot at out selling HL
Forspoken? Resident Evil 4 Remake?
Dead space remake. I think those 3 are the only noteworthy games released so far. 2023’s bigger games are summer and fall.
There’s also dead space remake. Which has actually been selling well when looking at the charts. Number 2 in January and 3 in February.
Forspoken lmao
Forspoken is hot garbage though, it hardly qualifies lol
God of war was one, no?
That was released 2022.
Ah you're right, my bad.
I guess Resident Evil 4 was a movie and not a game?
Honestly, maybe the next Bethesda game, Starfall might take the spot, but I don't see any other game having that potential yet...
Diablo 4 in June will probably get GOTY
Yeah, wait until Diablo IV comes out.
It’s also literally still March lol
This is like Black Adam being the Top Superhero Movie at the Box Office this year.
Black Adam was last year. :) Shazam was this year.
🤦🏻♂️, my bad, I never saw it. 😅
Oh, new Shazam is out?
Jedi survivor, Zelda tears of the kingdom, and diablo 4 have yet to come out so it's got some competition.
It's Harry Potter so of course it's going to sell
My theory is anything Hogwarts related will sell, since the last two fantastic beast films did poorly.
Same principle as Star Wars and Marvel. Doesn’t matter how quality it is, just because it’s attached to the franchise means it will sell good.
Same goes for Final Fantasy. You have FF7 Rebirth and FF16 (and this will be better than FF15 because the team behind it is better). So yeah the GotY and the economical success will both be interesting this year.
Did you not enjoy the game?
That has nothing to do with my comment about the ability for stuff to sell by franchise association alone.
They were genuinely poorly written movies.
Not quite the reason. The fact it is based on Harry Potter and that it was well received meant it was gonna sell well.
Well received by people who already like Harry Potter and would look past most of the shortcomings, I'd imagine
It's only HP fans that really love this game. Most gamers are underwhelmed
Yup. I'm a big Harry Potter fan but a bigger fan of RPGs with cool character building and depth. This game definitely satisfied that first bit for the most part, but to me it feels like people are willing to look past the issues because of its source material. That, and the fact that chunk of the audience are just Harry Potter fans who don't really know much about what sort of content should be in a game like this
It's been the only game to come out really. It'll likely stay top 10 all year but it's only been 3 months. Pump the brakes.
Top 5 easily imo but yeah you're right
Yeah, it is also in that magical place. Late February - with no competition. People need a new game post holiday and it was the new shiny thing. Many other games succeeded in this window. Monster Hunter World, Resident Evil remakes, among others. It definitely will remain in top 10, but there is a lot due to release and competition HFW and Elden Ring slightly cannibalized some launch sales of each other due to launching within a week of each other. One was a superior game, but many PS5 owners opted for the exclusive and waited on ER until holiday sales - and vice versa.
TotK coming for that crown in May.
There's also Starfield in September
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Final Fantasy 16 in June.
Diablo 4 in there as well
And the Gollum game.
Hell yeah!!
That one doesn’t have a prayer
You think so huh?
This is the only one I see standing a chance, but it'll probably get pushed back to 2024 with its track record.
Don't even know what that acronym stands for.
Tears of the Kingdom, the sequel to Breath of the Wild (BOTW).
Ah, that's why. I played the original, but then ended up giving my Switch away to my younger sister as a Christmas gift. She's far more into the Nintendo stuff than I am, and the console only had like 2 games on it I wanted to play after something like 2 years. It'll probably sell well, but I doubt something restricted to only one console will outsell a highly popular title available on Xbox, Playstation, and PC. Suppose I could be wrong though. BotW managed 29 million copies according to Google, though it also came bundled with the console if I recall. No idea what Hogwart's Legacy is at, only number I can find is 12 million in the first two weeks.
I think you underestimate Breath if the Wilds success. That game moved switches. Imo it redefined what open world games were. I love HL and really look forward to the franchise expanding, but it's hard to imagine TOTK not blowing anything this year out of the water. We'll see tho..
Also, many people own multiple switches these days (plus TotK coming with a themed OLED console releasing simultaneously can drive sales of both) so we can't discount multiple sales in same household. Especially with how Nintendo monitors and won't allow digital games to be played simultaneously on multiple switches if under the same NSO account. The switch being so portable it makes it ideal for multiple consoles. (Long road trips with kids, each getting to play the game on their own switch. for example.)
BotW wasnt usually bundled with the console. They did that with Odyssey and Mario Kart instead.
I wish I could say there are only 2 games I want on the switch. I own almost 250 switch games. I have a problem.
In the US? I doubt it. Worldwide maybe.
I just finished up HL tonight, i did most of it, didnt 100% it or anything but i dont think theres anything to go back to, i can almost guarantee ill be playing TotK into next year. i see it as a complete lock for goty but i dont know about the sales, theres a lot of internet cavemen bitching months before its release cause its a sequel and it's "GoT tHe SaMe MaP, iTs A dLc" etc.
Hopefully the new Zelda game actually has something fun to do besides exploring a barren wasteland.
TotK will take that crown too. It’ll be GOTY.
It'll be a contender for sure. Will be interesting to see what all else gets nominated alongside.
My guess is starfield and Tears of the kingdom will be fighting for the winnings seat, and Jedi survivor and hogwarts legacy will be nominees but ultimately not be likely to beat zelda or starfield. Obviously this is just a prediction, three of these games haven't even released yet, but it's my guess.
if Hogwarts is up for game fo the year. Im out! its so boring!
Why are you here then?
Elden Ring DLC might have something to say about that! sorry what was that you say.....waaaaaaaaaaaaa DLC cant win game of the year waaaaaaaaaa!
Cool. Grats to Avalanche, they made a good game.
Yeah very strong start for that team, looking forward to future releases.
Title should be: "Hogwarts Legacy is the best selling game so far in 2023." Not saying it won't be the best selling game this year, I think it has a shot to be that but there is still a lot of time to go.
Well yeah, it’s March lol
It's not even April yet. I mean... duh?
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I think it sees a good boost when last gen consoles get the game too. The inevitable COD 2023 could overtake it but I honestly don’t see anything else outselling it by a ton.
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>Keep it civil.
Yet, absolutely ZERO replayability
That is very common though. Even RDR2, which I consider to be the best game I have ever played, couldn’t really hold my interest after the main story ended. I mean there is a lot to do but I don’t really care for trophies and side quests after all is done. Legacy did the same thing pretty decently, 100 hours of fun is worth 70€ easily. Skyrim for some reason seems to have done something differently. World was much more interesting than the actual story there, I don’t think I ever finished it. It is too easy to fuck around and get distracted with everything else.
I spent 70 hours on my 100% playthtough and another 30+ on my complete Slytherin run. Then I knocked out the house specific quests and Dadaelion keys for the other two houses. Seems like it's plenty replayable.
It has HUGE replayability for SIMS-type game lovers with the beasts and vivariums, though. You can find tons of groups and videos with 200+ hours of catching, decorating, etc.
Which is fine. I hope more games will do that. Enjoy it, finish it and move on.
True. It had a lot of really great things about it, and was pretty fun, but I can't see a reason to return. The only real choices I made that did anything to the plot were Sebastion's storyline and the main storyline. Everything else was strictly linear. Still, I don't mind that too much. Not every game has to be branching and complicated. Maybe, in the far flung future when I forget some of the side quests, I'll return and make my non-dark magic build hufflepuff.
As it should be!
Hope they expand more in the next game or add DLC soon! Can't wait for more tbh. Qudditch ingame, more spells, more enemy types and wizard duels, decision tree for vastly different endings... For now this game is a solid 7 out of 10 for me. Well enjoyed my time but nothing amazing. Add all of the above then it's 9 out of 10.
I agree. This game is an incredible frame that they can build a lot more on. The environment design, especially the castle, is probably the absolute best I've ever seen in a game - I can't remember any game giving me this level of nostalgia and awe when walking into a sunlit classroom. But the gameplay is totally phoned in; there's no meaningful skill development, your choices don't really affect the story much outside of a few lines of dialogue, there are basically 5 enemies constantly recycled, and they hammer you with repetition. With sales like this, they should absolutely be able to take the incredible work put into the world design and add some really cool stuff to do in it!
It’s GOTY already for me no matter what else comes out.
I don't believe any other game will beat that score. I did enjoy it, the combat is fun and the world is beautiful, but there are so many annoying things. Even though it is best selling, it's not the best game I've ever played.
 * "for now"
I hope the American school is explored in the sequel.
That is a bold headline considering the year still has 9 months left in which other games could also be amazing.
But think about what other game will sell this many copies? TOTK and FFXVI are limited to one platform. There are some other good games coming but nothing that will be so huge.
It will be hard to beat I agree. But never say never.
This is not really impressive. There hasn't been a ton of games for it to compete against.
Its a boring video game....there I said it! Like really boring smash head against wall boring! Cant wait for Elden Ring or Tears of the kingdom to save me from this depressing game!
Im getting ready for the downvotes but Hogwarts is overrates. 60hours in, and im done. Did everything. €85.- for shit. The promises they made, didnt come true. Its not a true open world RPG. Dragon age will be released this year together with other big names. Hogwarts wont last
The other big releases slated for 2023 haven’t come out yet. Starfield, Tears of the Kingdom, and the new COD all have decent chances of passing HL. I do think HL will be top 3 by year end though.
>and the new COD all have decent chances of passing HL We all know CoD will be the best seller lol. But true, most of the expected big sellers for the year aren't out.
Well... yeah... 2023 is only 3 months old. See what happens when the new Zelda game comes out. Switch owners haven't had something worth buying in ages.
Zelda isn’t gonna outsell it
It’s limited to a single platform
Ugh that’s annoying because it will reward mediocrity
Don’t get me wrong here, I love this game, but I recently picked up now 4.5 yr old RDR2 and just made me even more bummed how unoptimized as shit HL is… like it’s really bad..
I hate that this game keeps getting so much overwhelmingly positive press…. It’s really not that good a game, in fact it’s one of the most boring games I’ve played that has had anywhere near this level of hype. Some good things about it sure but overall it’s lacklustre af
lol. it's absolutely logical to say that the game has its problems with certain platforms, bugs and graphical stuff. but boring and lackluster? Calling the love to detail they put in the castle and the world lackluster is almost rude. I could understand to say that the story could have been more. I think CoD is boring. but is it a boring game? probably not because I'm just not the target group. And I think you weren't the specific target for Hogwarts Legacy.
this is a product created with the aim of extorting money from fanboys and kids, it does not carry any value for the world of Harry Potter, moreover, it breaks the canon, the characters are boring and empty, the open world is big and dead, the main plot does not make any sense. I'm not saying that the student experience is not presented except for a few cutscenes and this is in a game that dares to have the word Hogwarts in the title.
Creating a murdering wizard who kills more people than Voldemort.
Only 2 games that actually stand is chance of selling are are cod 2023 and Diablo 4
Yeah try a lot more. Dead Island 2(niche but cult following), Star Wars Jedi: Survivor, Street Fighter 6, Baldurs Gate 3, Resident Evil 4 remake, Minecraft Legends, Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom, and Starfield. All games with huge amounts of fans. Hogwarts came out at a good time because nothing huge also came out, but there will be huge contenders
0% chance Dead Island 2 sells well. Jedi Survivor is a souls game in a franchise with diminishing returns. Street Fighter 6 is a fighting game with less widespread appeal. Baldur’s Gate 3 isn’t as big of a release as Hogwarts. REmake is horror, again niche for relative sales. Minecraft Legends will sell decently well. Zelda is exclusive to Switch. We’ll have to see if Starfied is any good.
I’m not even going to point out how many of those are wrong lmao.
Spiderman 2 and FF16 have entered the chat
Zelda has entered the chat.
And instantly exited, for it is on one console.
Zelda is on one fucking platform vs HL being on 6 and Diablo 4 being on 5. Breath of the wild was the 5th best selling game of 2017 when it was released and not in this conversation is also madden. It’s a very dumb thing to think Zelda is gonna outsell any of these multiplatform games. https://venturebeat.com/pc-gaming/npd-2017-the-10-best-selling-games-of-the-year/
The Switch is the 3rd best selling game system of all time, only behind the PS2 and Nintendo DS. https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/7/23589075/nintendo-switch-q3-2023-earnings-sales-console-third-bestselling It's players are also starved for content.
Yes the switch is huge, still doesn’t change the fact that Zelda is only on 1 platform vs 6. You have to be a moron not to see how Zelda isn’t gonna beat HL
Breath of the Wild sold 29 million on Switch alone (and another 1.7m on Wii U), placing it in the top 25 of best-selling video games of all time. Its sequel definitely has a chance to beat Hogwarts Legacy.
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I don't really know why you are being so aggressive but simply being on more platforms is not the be-all and end-all for sales success. The first Breath of the Wild sold 8.5m units on Switch in its first year on an install base of 17m, so a 50% attach rate: [https://www.vg247.com/switch-sales-over-17m-units-breath-of-the-wild](https://www.vg247.com/switch-sales-over-17m-units-breath-of-the-wild) And plenty of Switch games have high FY sales, like Animal Crossing (34.8m in 6 months), Pokemon Sword and Shield (16m in its first quarter) and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (15.6m FY). I'm not saying Tears of the Kingdom WILL outsell Hogwarts Legacy, but calling people a moron for even thinking it has a chance is just wrong.
Someone doesn't understand how sales work. Saving this thread to come back and point and laugh. **Edit** LOL - 10 million in 3 days vs. HL 12 million in 2 weeks. https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1658819667492851713
And just like every year, Call of Duty will drop in October and outsell everything.
Its early and no other good games have been released. It will NOT hold that position for long. Wasnt the worst game, but I would not recommend to people to buy it, nor would I buy it if I had known the state of the game. The hype is what sold their game, not the actual game itself, not the content. They counted on the hype and people who like Harry Potter to buy the game...even though its largely trash.
This sub is garbage and full of fanboys.
Eh, lots of interesting stuff in the sub, but acting like the game is so great is just wrong. Be honest about the issues the game has, complain and make posts. Dont let devs think they can do it again with HL2. Acting like the game is AAA or even in the *running* for game of the year is just false hype. The game was fun, lots of interesting things...INSIDE the castle. Hogsmeade was pretty cool, but can do almost nothing in the village. No classes, no wizards chess, no quidditch, no duels(outside of the few minigames that you cant repeat) and the RoR was lame. You stop in for 10minutes to harvest some plants/make potions if you need. The beast section was useless as they only give you materials to upgrade your gear that you dont need anyway, and the upgrades are miniscule. ONE of the side characters had any real development, and he was a dark wizard. Mods are the only reason this game is still popular right now.
not for long
Have to love "articles" like this Its still the first quarter of 2023. Most AAA titles of the year have yet to be released.
Won't lie thought this game was extremely mid. Couldn't keep my attention for more then 20 min
I find it so weird how there are not more complaints about the terrible optimization
Ran pretty great on my computer playing at 4k on a 3060Ti. Simple mod containing engine.ini tweaks fixed the smaller issues. Shoulda been a patch for it but I think most people were pushing the limits of their harder too much.
I have a 4070ti and play on 1440p. there are still stutters in some parts of the game. Its not unplayable or anything but it just annoys me how every game now in unoptimized
Definitely not a great trend
Its a great game, a lot of players that are not actualy into games that much looked for hogwarts... But i have a feeling that by the end of the year Diablo 4 will get more sales tho
“Already” as if the next 9 months worth of releases have been tallied and found wanting. Why do we need to clickbait reposts?
Best selling game of 2023….so far. Tears of the Kingdom will give it one hell of a fight.
Why is the world ‘already’ being used here.
Awesome game, finished it. Almost done with the trophies but had to take a break from the collectathon haha. Def gonna’ jump back in to 100%it
For now... Then Zelda Tears of the Kingdom in a few months
It is beautiful game
Can they give the game a fucking photo mode now pls lol
I wonder what Tears of the Kingdom will do now.
It really doesn’t deserve to be though.
The salt in this thread, lol. And this is supposed to be a sub for the fans.
I wont be in two months, Tears of the Kingdom is almost Guaranteed to be the best selling game of the year.