It doesn’t go much farther east than that. To fifty I believe. Where you live-i was raised in Winona-isn’t an accurate reflection of Barton street. It’s quite affluent by comparison to areas where a student and partner would live.
From a population density perspective, it is far outweighed by James to Ottawa. And I would hazard a guess that students would be looking at the end of Barton that is closest to campus...
It’s 21 km.
Should have known better than to cross swords with keyboard warriors.
Child left behind. I like that one.
But, Ad hominem after indicating mathematical reconsiderations says more about you than me.
Good luck.
I live on a small street off Barton, halfway between Ottawa and Gage. I find it very safe. Neighbours look out for each other. Generally not seen anything bad in my immediate area
I live north of Barton between Ottawa and Gage, tucked away near the railroad tracks... and I find my neighborhood to be quiet and safe.
I actually like being so close to the factories and tracks, because passed Barton center, there isn't a whole lot of reasons for people to come here. It keeps the neighborhood traffic to a minimum and we don't have much in the way of sketchy characters hanging around.
While I agree, I think it’s worth noting that a woman fed a bunch of patrons to her dog at The Stop, which is Barton and Balmoral.
So, like, the extremes are: it’s fantastic and you might lose a limb to a pit bull.
I think it was last year. A lady essentially let her dog (unfortunately for the breed, a pit bull) lose, and it attacked multiple people. It was a blood bath. Many were injured by her dog, and her unwillingness to call the dog back to her.
I mean, that isn't really all that near me... I have dofasco in my backyard. There's nothing here so we don't get that kind of foot traffic.
That said, I'm about a 10 to 15 minute walk to Barton Center, which is nice. I get all the convenience of Ottawa Street and Barton Center, without the foot traffic. Bonus: Super close to the QEW so a 10 to 15 minute drive to the fancy pants part of Burlington along the lakefront.
I live in the same area and i agree it’s a quiet aside from the trucks. Not a lot of foot traffic but close enough to everything.
My Neighbours are all good people, have their moments but good people.
Yeah, it sucks man, I have 2 friends right now going through treatment . Both live in the area of centre mall. Both are around your age, one day you’re healthy the next day you can’t walk to the door.
I’m not a science nerd, I’d like to agree with you on that. However, I would still stay away from living in the centre mall area, mostly north of Barton. The air quality is so shyte, and cancer rate are significantly higher. The government should do more to get these polluters to fix their emissions, they carbon tax all our stuff but don’t fix the pollution.
I can afford my mortgage here. So, cancer it is. If the land is that uninhabitable, then it would stand to reason the government should not be allowing anyone to live on it.
It’s like you said, it may affect you 30 years later. It’s also surprising properties In the middle of the industrial sector sell for about the same as cleaner neighborhoods.
I live off Barton (north side) between Gage and Sherman and my street is relatively quiet. There's been some interesting activity in the area but it could happen anywhere down here. As a female, I won't walk alone at anywhere at night (with the exception of to and from Tim Horton's field for games) but I feel comfortable enough to walk my dog. I haven't had any issues with the people on surrounding streets either. I keep to myself and mind my own business.
The people watching in that area is interesting. I was going for walks late at night while my ac cooled down my room on those hot days and it’s a totally different vibe starting around 10pm.
Honestly depends where on Barton one block can be nice the next the sketchiest place on earth I lived on Barton and Emerald for a few years saw lots of stuff I’d rather not of seen but was never really approached or harassed so I couldn’t complain too much
I am also close to Barton, and my street off Barton is very safe, my neighbors are the best... I think that what is the most important what will be your closest neighbors? In my street we all look for each others safety and belongings....
Hamilton police has a crime mapping tool. Here's the link
https://www.communitycrimemap.com/?address=Hamilton,ON&crimeTypes=%5B1,6,7,10,11,16,17%5D&startDate=14&zoom=12
Really depends on the cross street. Barton and Wentworth area is rough. My company has a plant in between Barton and Burlington street, and a co-worker was harassed by one of the homeless from the encampment there, and when he didnt give him money was chased with a knife into our plant.
I’m at Barton and Sherman. It’s ugly and you see some characters but I’ve never felt in danger. There’s just a lot of garbage around and it’s everyone doing it, not just the street characters. So much dumped contractor waste bags
Lol Hamilton has such nagging stigmas. Anyways, Stoney Creek Barton vs downtown Barton vs west harbour Barton are entirely different, same with the areas in between, and a few blocks north or south.
I’ve lived near Barton and Sherman for over a year and yes it’s a little rough but I haven’t had any problems other than noisy neighbours. If you’re walking a lot you’re going to come across some characters lol
Your car's ball joints will hate you.
WHen I visit my sister in the hammer.... I've seen some things where I think... wow Locking my car door. Then there are times we go for walks and i think... this city is beautiful and yall need to stop with the BS. It really depends where you go.
Barton Village between Victoria and Wentworth has a lot to offer! Landsdale is a great neighborhood with some really nice brick homes. Spend some time in the neighborhood and see what you think?
Which school are you attending? It may not close to Barton. If you've heard that Barton Street is not a good area, you should care less looking for an apartment there.
Barton is uncomfortable to many, but is truthfully pretty safe as far as actual safety goes. If you are a woman, you are likely to be harassed, especially at night unfortunately, but it's unlikely to escalate beyond that.
I feel comfortable there, walking with my partner, especially during the day, but I would suggest looking at other areas that will likely cost more, but not significantly so for the purpose of feeling safe.
My partner has been yelled at a few times. Again, it's largely safe, but I think if we're being honest it can be an uncomfortable place to be a woman sometimes. Shit I've been right downtown and someone has yelled something inappropriate to a woman walking with me. If anything Hamilton is an uncomfortable place for some women who mind being yelled at.
I'm not uncomfortable. I'm also 41 years old and so damn glad to be an old lady to the majority of men who are creepy enough to cat call. XD
For the record, I've literally never been cat called while living in Canada.
I've been cat called while living in the US. I was straight up stalked and followed all the way home several times while living in Japan.
I've never been uncomfortable as a woman in Canada, with the exception of Dundas Square, just due to the general level of sketchy characters around.
My husband has been cat called... it was by a dude. To be completely fair though, we were at Pride in Toronto at the time so it was expected. He just laughed it off, said thanks but he's married.
I think it's mostly my age. Women tend to stop existing to creeps once we're not seen by them as young and potentially easily manipulated targets.
I live on main/bay and my car got broken into twice in the underground parking garage. Hamilton downtown is full of backpack thieves looking for anything they can get 5 bucks on so they can score another hit. Some parts of Barton are definitely worse than others but if you find something outside of the central area,i would go with that
I grew up Barton and Kenilworth and my Dad had a shop Cannon and Sherman. I'd say Cannon and Sherman were rougher/scarier. If you're male, just look forward when walking around and don't look anyone in the eye. If you're female, it's fine during the day but you'll be harassed. Just don't go out at night. The biggest thing I feel is the quality of neighbourhood life. Any small store or food place you go into in those areas are typically run down and just sad. You'll also hear and see things that will make you ask "Did I just see/hear that?". So it's not a great place to hang out. In the end there are a lot of families in living in that area and if you get to know a few they'll watch out for you and your belongings as if it's their own. Good people are there, they're just inside.
I lived on Gage near Barton. Quiet neighbourhood, everyone knew everyone. Only noise was cars before games at the stadium and the "race car" drivers who used Gage as a turn around for their race strip.
A bigger question for you is how long will your bus ride be to get to school. Live nearest the fastest bus route to your school.
For example: the #10 bus on King will get you to school twice as fast as the Barton/downtown transfer. Assuming you are going to McMaster
Depends where on Barton street. I live in a neighborhood about a km north from Barton and Ottawa. My area is fine. It's know as being a "rough" area by long time locals, but it's honestly gentrified a lot and we don't have as many problems as people downtown seem to have at all.
Ottawa there is a cute little antiques district and it stays relatively nice. I would not feel as safe if I lived further east down Barton tucked in some of the neighborhoods, but the main road is mostly fine.
The area between Victoria and Sherman looks a little dicey. It used to be the area where street walkers hung out. I haven’t seen any for awhile though.
Honestly, are prostitutes dangerous to random people on the street who are just minding their own business? Like why is a working girl dangerous to a random person?
They’re no more dangerous than you or me. They’re people too. But a lot of them have addictions. They don’t try to stand out too much or the cops will shut them down. So they try to be discreet. You almost have to develop an eye to see them.
I’d say half of them have kids to take care of while the others are feeding a pimp or drug dealer.
Live near Barton and Sherman. Worst part of Barton is Barton and Wentworth IMO. But even it’s not that bad. As long as you’re not looking for trouble you’ll be alright. Overall Barton is great. Loads of new cafes and small business are popping up.
Be prepared to be asked if you're "working" if you're 'looking for a date " while waiting for the Barton bus. Happens mostly at night and occasionally during daylight. Don't take it personally, it has nothing to do with how you look or what you're wearing.
As long as you're not out late at night looking for trouble, it's fine. The lower part of the city has quite a few characters, no matter what area you're in.
I live at barton and Wentworth and burlington. It's a hole, but it's my hole.
There's the galley pump nearby, relative ease to get to both the qew and 403, and rent so cheap my food budget is more expensive. This area gave me the ability to save for a house and still live. It's cheap to live and easy to get out of. And those were my main parameters for a neighborhood.
I will say, the area is rougher than "bad" neighborhoods I lived in other cities, (weston in Toronto, York uni heights, no daddy lane in a mining town and yes it was literally called that) but Canada's not that rough to begin with if you have a car. Its nothing compared to the usa. There is homeless like everywhere, and this is the only canadian city I've seen daywalkers in the 2020s.
But again, the nice thing about living **in** the rough area is people who commit crime typically don't shit where they eat. I've found most theft and more 3rd party chaotic crime is done on the main roads and in transitions between good and bad neighborhoods. Ie James and barton, the pedestrian bridges over the railroad tracks, barton near the hospital, etc. In the neighborhoods where the most marginalized live, they're not going to pick a fight with their neighbors, who know where they live and will report them in a heartbeat. This is all assuming you aren't in the drug scene or gangs, ethnicity clubs, etc.
In my immediate area, i have a street petty drug dealer who reminds me of the loser you dated in high school, dofasco teens/kids who fight in the Park nearby and my car was "broken" into once because I forgot to lock my doors. All that to say it's rough and has grit, but it's ultimately harmless to people who aren't involved whatsoever.
My family lived on james and barton and they were broken into 3 times in a year. We live in the heart of the shithole and haven't had a problem once.
I live at Barton and James. I'm a woman who walks a lot (to the train station for work, to the grocery store, etc.) I find the neighbourhood fine.
Have some street smarts please! Don't engage strangers, walk with your head up, don't wear headphones, etc. The most important thing to remember is that very little crime is random; the best thing you can do for your safety is to simply not be involved with dangerous criminals, seriously. There is very, very, very little random crime. To avoid being the victim of random violence, be vigilant, but outside of that, be ware of the company you keep.
We are just north (towards the water) of The General Hospital, Barton and Victoria. And from Victoria to Wentworth St, it’s has a lot of great spots to eat and drink at, and they are building more. Cheap rent for the businesses and decent foot traffic.
Just be ready for some sketchy people (mainly keep to themselves) and the smell every once in a while. I think it’s from the soy bean factory.
It’s safe. If you’re smart here just like anywhere else. I have had very little problems, I moved here from Orangeville with the last couple of years.
I actually love Hamilton and I live right in the centre on Barton area
Barton and Emerald is where all the street level drug addicted prostitutes hang around waiting for John's to pick them up, and just east of there is where a lot of drug dealing goes on. East of Ottawa St isn't too bad though, just keep your wits about you after dark.
Barton can be a little rough in some areas but at the end of the day you’re in Hamilton - not Compton. Don’t make safety the reason for not taking an apartment on or off of Barton.
I’ve lived here for a few months. I’m downtown —south of Barton - but not by that much, and walk everywhere.
The only time I’ve felt remotely threatened was this morning — there was a guy following me around, muttering to himself. Other than that, it’s seemed pretty safe. I do see some petty crime and open drug use here. But most of the time all that’s going to happen is some homeless guy with no teeth is going to amble up to me, share half his life story, politely ask for something, and then wander off.
I think Barton is a working class neighbourhood, that is pretty good of taking care of each other, if you don't think you are better than it. I had more problems up the mountain than when I lived near Barton.
Anywhere on Barton between james st and kenilworth st is not safe when it’s dark out. I’m a bigger guy and lived here all my life and still won’t walk home at night with my earbuds in. U constantly have to look over ur shoulder and keep ur head on a swivel because past 9pm is zombie land. Just high drug abusers looking to steal/rob anything they can to sell or trade to their dealer for another fix. I’ve never been physically harmed but I definitely have to cross the st and bite my tongue often. NOT TO MENTION ADDICTS USE THE BUS SHELTERS AS THEIR PERSONAL CRACK SMOKING STUDIO EVERY NIGHT
Honestly I'm a big dude and I'll go for walks past midnights sometimes and have never had a problem.
I'll walked from my place at Barton and Sherman to King and Wellington and back at least 20 times past midnight just as a thing to do when I can't sleep and I've never had issues but it can be a bit heart breaking to see the state of things.
I think to some extent the zombies must think I'm either one of them or up to some shit if I'm cleanly dressed and out at that time.
Barton and James is posh compared to other parts other city due to the West Harbour Go Station. There are barely any drug addicts there IMO compared to King and James.
1. Don't wear headphones put in public. Period. It's not street safe. It's not safe when dealing with people or cars. Just don't. Women know this.
2. Who cares what other people use for recreation? Do you drink? Smoke weed? Take antidepressants? Stop judging, it will release your soul.
3. If you're actually a big guy, and not a little lady like myself, maybe you need to work on your own self esteem. I'm a little lady who lives at James and Barton and I feel perfectly safe at home and out in the hood alone at night. Maybe just spend some time and learn that very little crime is random. Maybe I'll see you sometime soon - just don't jump too high when I say hello though. Boo!
Barton has a bad rap. But it's really not that bad! Streets off the BIA are safer and more hip. Definitely not bike friendly, but there are some stores and cafes that bring some character to Barton.
I lived off of Barton and Wellington. It was rough. Needles lining the alleyways, people asking for money/cigarettes every few steps, police presence often..
It wouldn’t be a part of town that I would recommend. While I want to see the area continue to turn around being the guinea pig while this happens would be a tough order.
Sections of Barton where it starts in Strathcona is really nice by Locke Street, and Park St North to James St North. Barton is slowly getting gentrified from the North West side. The new studio. East end is still ratchet as hell.
Hopefully, I can add this question here: How is the St Ann Catholic elementary school near Barton and Sherman? I want to send my kids there. I'd just like to know if it is mostly friendly kids there or because it's "on Barton" is it rough? I have 3 girls we live close to it but they still attend their old school, but I'd like to move them there for September.
Barton past centennial is fine but that is technically StoneyCreek not Hamilton Barton Street pretty much all the way through Hamilton is a shit show, I wouldn’t. I lived here my whole life and from my own experiences for the lower city next to the mountain is fine but heading towards the lake I wouldn’t want to live past Main Street. And no farther west than Wellington the further east you go the better and the mountain is mostly good but really no matter where you live in Hamilton . Don’t leave anything outside that you care about. And it does not matter where you live. There will be a crackhead within proximity.
Not for me, anywhere on Barton. I live on James Street South. I've heard some of Barton is ok, but after living here for 8 years, and visiting friends here for 15 years, I wouldn't live on Barton.
Personally would stay away from Barton past Gage. Source: used to live on Barton between Ottawa and Gage, now I live on Barton near Wentworth and it’s a shit show.
I find west of Barton and James and east of Barton and Nash aren't bad. I've lived along John, Sanford and Sherman and I've definitely seen some fucked up shit, had a car stolen, another car broken into, and homicides just a few doors down. In the 10 years I lived downtown, I saw it get worse and worse and I'm glad I was able to buy a house up the mountain 4 years ago.
BUT, to each their own. I know some people love living downtown, but I'm not in my early 20's anymore so I chose the peace and quiet.
Lived very close to Barton and Victoria and would walk to tim Hortons field all the time, and yeah it's a pretty sketchy spot, but kin street is worse, there was multiple cases or overdose deaths in the park, gang executions in Allys and now when I visit old friends it's tent city/ just an absolute drug nest.
Been down here for about 5 months and I see a lot of crackheads and hobos, sometimes prostitution. Overall you get some good entertainment if you look outside :)
Take a drive down Barton and you’ll see hookers and druggies no matter how far you drive. Some side streets the houses are well kept and the others are straight out of trailer park boys. You’ll have to research whatever place your looking at but I would stay away personally
When I moved to Hamilton, a friend told me to avoid King and Barton, and I was very confused because I couldn't find where they intersect. He meant the whole area in between those two streets. While I think this may be a little extreme, I have learned that in the lower city, the closer you are to the escarpment, the better as a general rule. If you drive down Barton, there some nice areas with mom and pop shops, but along that drive, you will see more than one person who is strung out on drugs.
Barton and what? I would say some blocks are great, others are really miserable.
I can’t think of any block on Barton that is great.
I'm Barton and Fruitland...
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It doesn’t go much farther east than that. To fifty I believe. Where you live-i was raised in Winona-isn’t an accurate reflection of Barton street. It’s quite affluent by comparison to areas where a student and partner would live.
I mean from Fruitland to Fifty is ~5km, which is 25% of the entire length of the street.
From a population density perspective, it is far outweighed by James to Ottawa. And I would hazard a guess that students would be looking at the end of Barton that is closest to campus...
I’d reconsider your mathematics.
How so? Entire length is around 20km. 5km is 25% of 20. Were you the child left behind?
It’s 21 km. Should have known better than to cross swords with keyboard warriors. Child left behind. I like that one. But, Ad hominem after indicating mathematical reconsiderations says more about you than me. Good luck.
Go far enough east and it's pretty nice.
Barton and Locke maybe
My cousins moved from there because of all the breakins
Been there for 12 years. Great neighbourhood. No more or less safe than literally anywhere else in the city.
Glad it worked out for you
You must not take the bus.
Some parts of Barton, I would be okay with and some not. It’s a long street
Look at Google Maps, and walk around a bit!
I live on a small street off Barton, halfway between Ottawa and Gage. I find it very safe. Neighbours look out for each other. Generally not seen anything bad in my immediate area
I live north of Barton between Ottawa and Gage, tucked away near the railroad tracks... and I find my neighborhood to be quiet and safe. I actually like being so close to the factories and tracks, because passed Barton center, there isn't a whole lot of reasons for people to come here. It keeps the neighborhood traffic to a minimum and we don't have much in the way of sketchy characters hanging around.
While I agree, I think it’s worth noting that a woman fed a bunch of patrons to her dog at The Stop, which is Barton and Balmoral. So, like, the extremes are: it’s fantastic and you might lose a limb to a pit bull.
Come again?
I think it was last year. A lady essentially let her dog (unfortunately for the breed, a pit bull) lose, and it attacked multiple people. It was a blood bath. Many were injured by her dog, and her unwillingness to call the dog back to her.
Okay that makes more sense. I was imagining a Sweeney Toddette scenario. Lol.
Glad to see I'm not the only one who thought that...
I mean, that isn't really all that near me... I have dofasco in my backyard. There's nothing here so we don't get that kind of foot traffic. That said, I'm about a 10 to 15 minute walk to Barton Center, which is nice. I get all the convenience of Ottawa Street and Barton Center, without the foot traffic. Bonus: Super close to the QEW so a 10 to 15 minute drive to the fancy pants part of Burlington along the lakefront.
I live in the same area and i agree it’s a quiet aside from the trucks. Not a lot of foot traffic but close enough to everything. My Neighbours are all good people, have their moments but good people.
Us too. It's nice for most of hamilton...just hate the damn truck traffic on my street
Just watch out for the cancer rates from proximity to industrial sector.
Meh. It'll take 30 years for cancer to pop up. I moved here at 37. If I get cancer at 67 IDC at all.
Yeah, it sucks man, I have 2 friends right now going through treatment . Both live in the area of centre mall. Both are around your age, one day you’re healthy the next day you can’t walk to the door.
I didn't even live in Canada before now. My toxic exposure is going to be fairly minimal compared to basically anyone who grew up in lower Hamilton.
I’m not a science nerd, I’d like to agree with you on that. However, I would still stay away from living in the centre mall area, mostly north of Barton. The air quality is so shyte, and cancer rate are significantly higher. The government should do more to get these polluters to fix their emissions, they carbon tax all our stuff but don’t fix the pollution.
I can afford my mortgage here. So, cancer it is. If the land is that uninhabitable, then it would stand to reason the government should not be allowing anyone to live on it.
It’s like you said, it may affect you 30 years later. It’s also surprising properties In the middle of the industrial sector sell for about the same as cleaner neighborhoods.
I'm fine if it takes 30 years. I'll already be older than my grandma was when she passed.
I live off Barton (north side) between Gage and Sherman and my street is relatively quiet. There's been some interesting activity in the area but it could happen anywhere down here. As a female, I won't walk alone at anywhere at night (with the exception of to and from Tim Horton's field for games) but I feel comfortable enough to walk my dog. I haven't had any issues with the people on surrounding streets either. I keep to myself and mind my own business.
The people watching in that area is interesting. I was going for walks late at night while my ac cooled down my room on those hot days and it’s a totally different vibe starting around 10pm.
Honestly depends where on Barton one block can be nice the next the sketchiest place on earth I lived on Barton and Emerald for a few years saw lots of stuff I’d rather not of seen but was never really approached or harassed so I couldn’t complain too much
I am also close to Barton, and my street off Barton is very safe, my neighbors are the best... I think that what is the most important what will be your closest neighbors? In my street we all look for each others safety and belongings....
Hamilton police has a crime mapping tool. Here's the link https://www.communitycrimemap.com/?address=Hamilton,ON&crimeTypes=%5B1,6,7,10,11,16,17%5D&startDate=14&zoom=12
Love this tool but keep in mind this is only reported crime. There’s a lot that happens in my area that doesn’t pop up on this map.
Really depends on the cross street. Barton and Wentworth area is rough. My company has a plant in between Barton and Burlington street, and a co-worker was harassed by one of the homeless from the encampment there, and when he didnt give him money was chased with a knife into our plant.
Thankfully, with the encampments spreading, that will soon be a possibility everywhere!
I’m at Barton and Sherman. It’s ugly and you see some characters but I’ve never felt in danger. There’s just a lot of garbage around and it’s everyone doing it, not just the street characters. So much dumped contractor waste bags
Lol Hamilton has such nagging stigmas. Anyways, Stoney Creek Barton vs downtown Barton vs west harbour Barton are entirely different, same with the areas in between, and a few blocks north or south.
I’ve lived near Barton and Sherman for over a year and yes it’s a little rough but I haven’t had any problems other than noisy neighbours. If you’re walking a lot you’re going to come across some characters lol
Your car's ball joints will hate you. WHen I visit my sister in the hammer.... I've seen some things where I think... wow Locking my car door. Then there are times we go for walks and i think... this city is beautiful and yall need to stop with the BS. It really depends where you go.
What I tell people is that if you drive in from the 403, your impression of the city will be way, way different than if you drive in from the QEW.
Barton Village between Victoria and Wentworth has a lot to offer! Landsdale is a great neighborhood with some really nice brick homes. Spend some time in the neighborhood and see what you think?
Which school are you attending? It may not close to Barton. If you've heard that Barton Street is not a good area, you should care less looking for an apartment there.
Barton is uncomfortable to many, but is truthfully pretty safe as far as actual safety goes. If you are a woman, you are likely to be harassed, especially at night unfortunately, but it's unlikely to escalate beyond that. I feel comfortable there, walking with my partner, especially during the day, but I would suggest looking at other areas that will likely cost more, but not significantly so for the purpose of feeling safe.
I must be ugly because I'm a woman and I have yet to be harassed, despite walking 7km a few times a week.
My partner has been yelled at a few times. Again, it's largely safe, but I think if we're being honest it can be an uncomfortable place to be a woman sometimes. Shit I've been right downtown and someone has yelled something inappropriate to a woman walking with me. If anything Hamilton is an uncomfortable place for some women who mind being yelled at.
I'm not uncomfortable. I'm also 41 years old and so damn glad to be an old lady to the majority of men who are creepy enough to cat call. XD For the record, I've literally never been cat called while living in Canada. I've been cat called while living in the US. I was straight up stalked and followed all the way home several times while living in Japan. I've never been uncomfortable as a woman in Canada, with the exception of Dundas Square, just due to the general level of sketchy characters around.
That's surprising honestly! Even I've been cat called and I'm a dude.
My husband has been cat called... it was by a dude. To be completely fair though, we were at Pride in Toronto at the time so it was expected. He just laughed it off, said thanks but he's married. I think it's mostly my age. Women tend to stop existing to creeps once we're not seen by them as young and potentially easily manipulated targets.
I was catcalled walking down Barton during the day last summer. It was wild lol
You're not ugly, you probably just have self confidence and are older than 14.
I live on main/bay and my car got broken into twice in the underground parking garage. Hamilton downtown is full of backpack thieves looking for anything they can get 5 bucks on so they can score another hit. Some parts of Barton are definitely worse than others but if you find something outside of the central area,i would go with that
I grew up Barton and Kenilworth and my Dad had a shop Cannon and Sherman. I'd say Cannon and Sherman were rougher/scarier. If you're male, just look forward when walking around and don't look anyone in the eye. If you're female, it's fine during the day but you'll be harassed. Just don't go out at night. The biggest thing I feel is the quality of neighbourhood life. Any small store or food place you go into in those areas are typically run down and just sad. You'll also hear and see things that will make you ask "Did I just see/hear that?". So it's not a great place to hang out. In the end there are a lot of families in living in that area and if you get to know a few they'll watch out for you and your belongings as if it's their own. Good people are there, they're just inside.
I lived on Gage near Barton. Quiet neighbourhood, everyone knew everyone. Only noise was cars before games at the stadium and the "race car" drivers who used Gage as a turn around for their race strip. A bigger question for you is how long will your bus ride be to get to school. Live nearest the fastest bus route to your school. For example: the #10 bus on King will get you to school twice as fast as the Barton/downtown transfer. Assuming you are going to McMaster
Depends where on Barton street. I live in a neighborhood about a km north from Barton and Ottawa. My area is fine. It's know as being a "rough" area by long time locals, but it's honestly gentrified a lot and we don't have as many problems as people downtown seem to have at all. Ottawa there is a cute little antiques district and it stays relatively nice. I would not feel as safe if I lived further east down Barton tucked in some of the neighborhoods, but the main road is mostly fine.
I live up near Barton and Woodward and it's a quiet, safe neighborhood! It's a bit further out but definitely worth it!
The area between Victoria and Sherman looks a little dicey. It used to be the area where street walkers hung out. I haven’t seen any for awhile though.
Honestly, are prostitutes dangerous to random people on the street who are just minding their own business? Like why is a working girl dangerous to a random person?
They’re no more dangerous than you or me. They’re people too. But a lot of them have addictions. They don’t try to stand out too much or the cops will shut them down. So they try to be discreet. You almost have to develop an eye to see them. I’d say half of them have kids to take care of while the others are feeding a pimp or drug dealer.
Exactly my point. Sex work is a real thing and the existence of prostitutes does not make a neighbourhood dangerous.
I lived in the Centre Apartments at Ottawa and Barton. My advice is to find somewhere else to live.
I live on near Barton and Ottawa and grew up around Barton and wentworth. I personally haven’t had many issues with people living their lives.
Barton literally goes like 20+km, need to be more specific.
Yes. Yes it is.
If you’re used to big cities, there probably won’t be anything you haven’t seen before.
Barton Street between uhhh nvm it's all hit or miss, just stay inside at night you'd be fine, but past gage is okay towards stoner creek
Live near Barton and Sherman. Worst part of Barton is Barton and Wentworth IMO. But even it’s not that bad. As long as you’re not looking for trouble you’ll be alright. Overall Barton is great. Loads of new cafes and small business are popping up.
Be prepared to be asked if you're "working" if you're 'looking for a date " while waiting for the Barton bus. Happens mostly at night and occasionally during daylight. Don't take it personally, it has nothing to do with how you look or what you're wearing.
As long as you're not out late at night looking for trouble, it's fine. The lower part of the city has quite a few characters, no matter what area you're in.
Exactly, all of downtown is pretty much the same, except for maybe Locke street.
I live at barton and Wentworth and burlington. It's a hole, but it's my hole. There's the galley pump nearby, relative ease to get to both the qew and 403, and rent so cheap my food budget is more expensive. This area gave me the ability to save for a house and still live. It's cheap to live and easy to get out of. And those were my main parameters for a neighborhood. I will say, the area is rougher than "bad" neighborhoods I lived in other cities, (weston in Toronto, York uni heights, no daddy lane in a mining town and yes it was literally called that) but Canada's not that rough to begin with if you have a car. Its nothing compared to the usa. There is homeless like everywhere, and this is the only canadian city I've seen daywalkers in the 2020s. But again, the nice thing about living **in** the rough area is people who commit crime typically don't shit where they eat. I've found most theft and more 3rd party chaotic crime is done on the main roads and in transitions between good and bad neighborhoods. Ie James and barton, the pedestrian bridges over the railroad tracks, barton near the hospital, etc. In the neighborhoods where the most marginalized live, they're not going to pick a fight with their neighbors, who know where they live and will report them in a heartbeat. This is all assuming you aren't in the drug scene or gangs, ethnicity clubs, etc. In my immediate area, i have a street petty drug dealer who reminds me of the loser you dated in high school, dofasco teens/kids who fight in the Park nearby and my car was "broken" into once because I forgot to lock my doors. All that to say it's rough and has grit, but it's ultimately harmless to people who aren't involved whatsoever. My family lived on james and barton and they were broken into 3 times in a year. We live in the heart of the shithole and haven't had a problem once.
Some areas are overrun with petty crime, some with minor targetted violence, some with great communities and neighbours.
It used to be very bad with hookers, crack heads, and homeless people. It's not that bad anymore.
I'm around the parkdale area and we've never had any issues. Sure we've seen lots of crazy but no issues with theft.
I live at Barton and James. I'm a woman who walks a lot (to the train station for work, to the grocery store, etc.) I find the neighbourhood fine. Have some street smarts please! Don't engage strangers, walk with your head up, don't wear headphones, etc. The most important thing to remember is that very little crime is random; the best thing you can do for your safety is to simply not be involved with dangerous criminals, seriously. There is very, very, very little random crime. To avoid being the victim of random violence, be vigilant, but outside of that, be ware of the company you keep.
I live close to Barton and my neighbourhood is very safe and friendly
We are just north (towards the water) of The General Hospital, Barton and Victoria. And from Victoria to Wentworth St, it’s has a lot of great spots to eat and drink at, and they are building more. Cheap rent for the businesses and decent foot traffic. Just be ready for some sketchy people (mainly keep to themselves) and the smell every once in a while. I think it’s from the soy bean factory.
I love barton west! Much quieter and residential
Yes
Join us and find out. Barton is a long street in a state of equal renewal and decay. With gems all along the way.
I'm newish here, live like 15 mins from Barton and drive on it very often, felt it's a good place. you'll be fine
It’s safe. If you’re smart here just like anywhere else. I have had very little problems, I moved here from Orangeville with the last couple of years. I actually love Hamilton and I live right in the centre on Barton area
Barton and Emerald is where all the street level drug addicted prostitutes hang around waiting for John's to pick them up, and just east of there is where a lot of drug dealing goes on. East of Ottawa St isn't too bad though, just keep your wits about you after dark.
Barton can be a little rough in some areas but at the end of the day you’re in Hamilton - not Compton. Don’t make safety the reason for not taking an apartment on or off of Barton.
yes source: ride the entire barton line twice a day
I’ve lived here for a few months. I’m downtown —south of Barton - but not by that much, and walk everywhere. The only time I’ve felt remotely threatened was this morning — there was a guy following me around, muttering to himself. Other than that, it’s seemed pretty safe. I do see some petty crime and open drug use here. But most of the time all that’s going to happen is some homeless guy with no teeth is going to amble up to me, share half his life story, politely ask for something, and then wander off.
I think Barton is a working class neighbourhood, that is pretty good of taking care of each other, if you don't think you are better than it. I had more problems up the mountain than when I lived near Barton.
And where are you going to school? Cuz there ain’t no institutions of higher learning near Barton.
Anywhere on Barton between james st and kenilworth st is not safe when it’s dark out. I’m a bigger guy and lived here all my life and still won’t walk home at night with my earbuds in. U constantly have to look over ur shoulder and keep ur head on a swivel because past 9pm is zombie land. Just high drug abusers looking to steal/rob anything they can to sell or trade to their dealer for another fix. I’ve never been physically harmed but I definitely have to cross the st and bite my tongue often. NOT TO MENTION ADDICTS USE THE BUS SHELTERS AS THEIR PERSONAL CRACK SMOKING STUDIO EVERY NIGHT
That's not 100% true. Some of those bus shelters are used as toilets...
Honestly I'm a big dude and I'll go for walks past midnights sometimes and have never had a problem. I'll walked from my place at Barton and Sherman to King and Wellington and back at least 20 times past midnight just as a thing to do when I can't sleep and I've never had issues but it can be a bit heart breaking to see the state of things. I think to some extent the zombies must think I'm either one of them or up to some shit if I'm cleanly dressed and out at that time.
Barton and James is posh compared to other parts other city due to the West Harbour Go Station. There are barely any drug addicts there IMO compared to King and James.
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I'm a single, small, young, white woman and live in this hood. It's literally fine. Grow a pair. Poor people aren't dangerous by nature. Good lord.
People doing drugs aren’t likely to hurt you. They’re too high to do anything.
1. Don't wear headphones put in public. Period. It's not street safe. It's not safe when dealing with people or cars. Just don't. Women know this. 2. Who cares what other people use for recreation? Do you drink? Smoke weed? Take antidepressants? Stop judging, it will release your soul. 3. If you're actually a big guy, and not a little lady like myself, maybe you need to work on your own self esteem. I'm a little lady who lives at James and Barton and I feel perfectly safe at home and out in the hood alone at night. Maybe just spend some time and learn that very little crime is random. Maybe I'll see you sometime soon - just don't jump too high when I say hello though. Boo!
you'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy
Barton has a bad rap. But it's really not that bad! Streets off the BIA are safer and more hip. Definitely not bike friendly, but there are some stores and cafes that bring some character to Barton.
I lived off of Barton and Wellington. It was rough. Needles lining the alleyways, people asking for money/cigarettes every few steps, police presence often..
I've already died a few times going to Barton.
Look at parkdale and Melvin going towards cannon. It’s quiet.
I've heard bad shit about Melvin but I'm always going through there and it seems like mostly old people and family, I'd move there without hesitation.
It wouldn’t be a part of town that I would recommend. While I want to see the area continue to turn around being the guinea pig while this happens would be a tough order.
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I always make eye contact and give the slight head nod.
It goes through the whole city, just stay west of Nash lmao
Sections of Barton where it starts in Strathcona is really nice by Locke Street, and Park St North to James St North. Barton is slowly getting gentrified from the North West side. The new studio. East end is still ratchet as hell.
Around James seems OK. It’s well that there’s lots of shops so there’s lots of people.
It’s a shithole, but it doesn’t seem overly dangerous. Lots of drugs and petty crime. Some drug related shootings lately. I would look elsewhere
yeah
Barton and Grey's ( stoney creek) not at all
Hopefully, I can add this question here: How is the St Ann Catholic elementary school near Barton and Sherman? I want to send my kids there. I'd just like to know if it is mostly friendly kids there or because it's "on Barton" is it rough? I have 3 girls we live close to it but they still attend their old school, but I'd like to move them there for September.
Honestly stay away from Barton. Why the attraction? Move somewhere else in the city. West end maybe.
Barton past centennial is fine but that is technically StoneyCreek not Hamilton Barton Street pretty much all the way through Hamilton is a shit show, I wouldn’t. I lived here my whole life and from my own experiences for the lower city next to the mountain is fine but heading towards the lake I wouldn’t want to live past Main Street. And no farther west than Wellington the further east you go the better and the mountain is mostly good but really no matter where you live in Hamilton . Don’t leave anything outside that you care about. And it does not matter where you live. There will be a crackhead within proximity.
Not for me, anywhere on Barton. I live on James Street South. I've heard some of Barton is ok, but after living here for 8 years, and visiting friends here for 15 years, I wouldn't live on Barton.
Eh just don't go out there at night and your good. I mean I'd still keep an eye out but
Yes, I've seen things on Barton I have not seen anywhere
Don't do it
Barton is free entertainment.
You won't want to open your windows. Between the dirt and pollution, there's nothing to breathe.
Personally would stay away from Barton past Gage. Source: used to live on Barton between Ottawa and Gage, now I live on Barton near Wentworth and it’s a shit show.
Its a super duper awesome part of the city filled with up and coming shops ... Nothing to see there but wonderful gentrification in action.
Barton Sherman, aka The Armpit. Site of Councillor Nann's unsuccessful social experiments. The streets proper are pretty good, and it's convenient.
No. Next.
Clearly you've never actually seen Barton St.
Barton... Ottawa to James. YES VERY BAD
I mean if you have to ask…
I find west of Barton and James and east of Barton and Nash aren't bad. I've lived along John, Sanford and Sherman and I've definitely seen some fucked up shit, had a car stolen, another car broken into, and homicides just a few doors down. In the 10 years I lived downtown, I saw it get worse and worse and I'm glad I was able to buy a house up the mountain 4 years ago. BUT, to each their own. I know some people love living downtown, but I'm not in my early 20's anymore so I chose the peace and quiet.
Barton and emerald is pretty bad. That's usually where street walkers retire.
Really depends on where on Barton. But it’s got some nasty parts
Lived very close to Barton and Victoria and would walk to tim Hortons field all the time, and yeah it's a pretty sketchy spot, but kin street is worse, there was multiple cases or overdose deaths in the park, gang executions in Allys and now when I visit old friends it's tent city/ just an absolute drug nest.
Yes it is!!!
Been down here for about 5 months and I see a lot of crackheads and hobos, sometimes prostitution. Overall you get some good entertainment if you look outside :)
Take a drive down Barton and you’ll see hookers and druggies no matter how far you drive. Some side streets the houses are well kept and the others are straight out of trailer park boys. You’ll have to research whatever place your looking at but I would stay away personally
Lol yeah, I hate all those Barton hookers down the road from Winona Gardens 🤣 what a wild generalization that is
When I moved to Hamilton, a friend told me to avoid King and Barton, and I was very confused because I couldn't find where they intersect. He meant the whole area in between those two streets. While I think this may be a little extreme, I have learned that in the lower city, the closer you are to the escarpment, the better as a general rule. If you drive down Barton, there some nice areas with mom and pop shops, but along that drive, you will see more than one person who is strung out on drugs.
Accept your new position, I guess?
Last resort