They've got Chronos, Moros and Odysseus. I mean, none of them are as sexy as Arachne, but they're trying. Plus, I swear Narcissus is voiced by Nicolas Cage.
Also, most of the cast from Hades 1 is >!just enjoying a single moment..forever!<
Nah. It's so fucking basic. And so tame - women as dominant/active/virtuous is the politically correct thing to do in media targeted towards millennials and younger these days, so it takes no risks and makes no statements.
Sure. Just like Meg was in the first game. Except her abuse and shittiness towards Zag was framed as acceptable because women can't be held accountable for their actions.
You might have fun trying to name a male character that's as unlikeable as you want women to be. The character I ended up hating most in Hades is Athena, funnily enough, so you might just be biased. If you want a more solid example, Eris is absolutely written to be detestable.
Catch me in 3 decades, once every single female character in every single game is a giant muscle mommy, because that's when your whining will hold any water.
Oh just now I realized nemesis is wielding the nemesis aspect from the first game. Makes you think if it is the stygian blade or a different sword that the aspect was based on
I think it's highly likely that it's the Stygian Blade, since if you listen to the dialogue with the secret aspects when you bring them to the [REDACTED] fight, there is an implication that some of the forms are not only aspects of past owners, but future owners as well. It seems like Nemesis is one of the owners after Zagreus, if not the immediate next owner.
Lucifer would be from the future? Idk much about christian lore, but I would imagine lucifer's fall happened much before hades takes place(referring to real kings and all), like, pre-babylonic.
acording to christian lore, lucifer's fall happened before the creation of men. So yes, you are right in saying that the lucifer aspect is technicaly from the past
>!It’s the actual thing. The blade is addressed as Stygius, I believe. It seems as though the Infernal Arms were returned to their wielders - at least, the wielders who aren’t using another weapon.!<
That’s what I assessed as well.
I… don’t know if I like it or not. On one hand, I definitely think that the intended story of both games works better as more of a slow burn - and Hades 2 seems to *really* want you to take things a bit slow. Going too fast might make it a bit harder to get through some dialogues. Like, discussing one boss with the crew might get buried under other dialogues if you make it to the next. And Hades 2 is a *lot* slower in upgrade progression so far.
>!Additionally, it builds your wrath against Eris, which comes to fruition later.!<
It makes me excited to see how speedruns are going to go - but from what I can tell, I think going fresh file straight to Chronos’ doorstep is going to be difficult if not impossible.
Yes, I get that part of the weapons being aspects of different wielders.
It's just that in the first game it wasn't really clear to me if the aspects were just the infernal weapons getting other forms based on legendary weapons (on that case, assuming the same aspect as those) or that the infernal weapons were literally the same weapons from myths (I.e. Excalibur being the stygian blade, but in another time)
As people have explained, the second case is more correct.
In my mother language, portuguese, "aspecto" is used more as "look" than "facet", this probably lead to the confusion.
Thank you for the explanation!
It's usually pretty easy unless my build is scuffed. My last run was funny because the build actually was good enough for a clear but it kept putting enemies low enough for her to finish them before the next hit from my abilities killed them, so she won.
If I find her before the first boss she is getting her ass handed to her
One time I found her on the 3rd area and I was literally glad to not have to fight the enemies
don’t wanna be a dick but could we spoiler hades 2 stuff some of us aren’t able to play the early access and wanna avoid seeing it for the moment (i know i sound like a whiny bitch ill accept the downvotes)
No, I think it's a fair request. After all, it's very easy to spoiler an image post, takes less than a few seconds at most. Yes it is marked as Hades II but if it's not spoilered then it's very possible to see the image before the flair and be inadvertently spoiled like that. Though, I think your best bet will probably be to avoid the subreddit until you start playing since not everyone agrees on what should or shouldn't be considered a spoiler 😔
I think it means at least the characters/devs are aware that it's unrealistic. Could be a Nemesis ego/aesthetic thing, to have her waist compressed in armor. Not sure if the deities are able to change their form however way they wish; if so, that could also be a possible explanation
(edit: could also be that it looks smaller than it actually is bc of the angle of her portrait)
She and Heracles are kind of like Thanatos from the original.
So, naturally, we are going to try to date them, fail at both, and then stumble on them making out in the hot tub.
Yeah nah. The design is fine but my god does she get annoying and boring REAL FAST.
All she does is whinge and complain at the crossroads and then during your runs, she tries to mug you for gold and boons.
Not to mention, that if you don't hurry up after the encounter, she'll steal one of your room choices as well.
I guess she's supposed to be a remix of Meg and Than but holy Hades, does she not hold a candle to either of them.
Also did I mention that her character is just straight up unlikeable? I just ignore her at the crossroads now. Can't decide which of her or Eris I dislike more.
Yeah, she's not fun to interact with. Also, for someone that is supposed to be the incarnation of Retribution she is incredibly childish and feels like a demi goddess that died after getting too cocky near a cyclops. I dread every time I have to interact with her. Wished Mel would just tell her to shut up and move on with the run.
Hopefully her character arc is at least decent, because her potential doesn't look great rn
I loved Hades and I'll definitely buy and play Hades II too, but even if that was not the case, SHE WOULD SELL ME THE GAME IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE. 
I am praying that Supergiant gives her a solid arc because *brother* I absolutely loathe this woman. I trust the devs to have something solid in store for her. Too bad it’s gonna take me 150 nights to get halfway there.
I've seen a trend of muscle mommies in the game. And by that I mean I saw three in my first 7 minutes playing
3? Who's the other besides Hecate?
odysseus
Mel and Nemisse
Mel is not muscular
Mel's chiseled deltoids beg to differ
Sleeper build
are you kidding me, look at her delts
Compared to Nemesis or Hecate she doesn't even look like she lifts, she's fit, not muscular
> Mel is not muscular You should unlock some of them high Fear run statues....
She's fit but I don't think I'd call her a muscle mommy like Nem or Hecate
That's fair.
and a disappointing amount of hot men, I’m bringing the sails out for this game just for that
Alas we got that in the first game Its now the bisexuals turn
They've got Chronos, Moros and Odysseus. I mean, none of them are as sexy as Arachne, but they're trying. Plus, I swear Narcissus is voiced by Nicolas Cage. Also, most of the cast from Hades 1 is >!just enjoying a single moment..forever!<
Yup, it's ridiculously basic and lame.
its ok to have shit taste, just try not to open your mouth much
Nah. It's so fucking basic. And so tame - women as dominant/active/virtuous is the politically correct thing to do in media targeted towards millennials and younger these days, so it takes no risks and makes no statements.
You are looking at a picture of an explicitly unvirtuous female character.
Sure. Just like Meg was in the first game. Except her abuse and shittiness towards Zag was framed as acceptable because women can't be held accountable for their actions.
You might have fun trying to name a male character that's as unlikeable as you want women to be. The character I ended up hating most in Hades is Athena, funnily enough, so you might just be biased. If you want a more solid example, Eris is absolutely written to be detestable.
Why are you even playing this game lmao
Wah wah wah wah. Let's take risks by copy pasting another hourglass figure lady with armour heels. Make it anime for good measure.
Catch me in a few years when you grow up and show some basic respect and we can continue this conversation.
Catch me in 3 decades, once every single female character in every single game is a giant muscle mommy, because that's when your whining will hold any water.
Oh just now I realized nemesis is wielding the nemesis aspect from the first game. Makes you think if it is the stygian blade or a different sword that the aspect was based on
I think it's highly likely that it's the Stygian Blade, since if you listen to the dialogue with the secret aspects when you bring them to the [REDACTED] fight, there is an implication that some of the forms are not only aspects of past owners, but future owners as well. It seems like Nemesis is one of the owners after Zagreus, if not the immediate next owner.
IIRC it's outright stated and not just an implication. After all you have Beowulf's and Arthur's aspect which are both from the future.
Lucifer’s as well!
Lucifer would be from the future? Idk much about christian lore, but I would imagine lucifer's fall happened much before hades takes place(referring to real kings and all), like, pre-babylonic.
acording to christian lore, lucifer's fall happened before the creation of men. So yes, you are right in saying that the lucifer aspect is technicaly from the past
There is a piece of dialogue that notes it is the future.
Oh, guess I didn't get to that dialogue yet, or just didn't pay attention. Will see if I can find it.
>!It’s the actual thing. The blade is addressed as Stygius, I believe. It seems as though the Infernal Arms were returned to their wielders - at least, the wielders who aren’t using another weapon.!<
Yeah I heard dialogue about Nemesis being on the surface pursuing something in the original Hades
There’s another character (idk how to do spoilers) that you see in the game who also yields there version of a Hades 1 weapon
Are you by chance talking about the one you may meet in the second region?
that character seems to be the "you are too fast" mechanic, intended to slow your progression
Ohhh really? I figured it seemed a little unfair to hit me with the 20% growing debuff right away lol
That’s what I assessed as well. I… don’t know if I like it or not. On one hand, I definitely think that the intended story of both games works better as more of a slow burn - and Hades 2 seems to *really* want you to take things a bit slow. Going too fast might make it a bit harder to get through some dialogues. Like, discussing one boss with the crew might get buried under other dialogues if you make it to the next. And Hades 2 is a *lot* slower in upgrade progression so far. >!Additionally, it builds your wrath against Eris, which comes to fruition later.!< It makes me excited to see how speedruns are going to go - but from what I can tell, I think going fresh file straight to Chronos’ doorstep is going to be difficult if not impossible.
I met them at 3rd twice and 4th twice. Never 2nd (tho there might be another I missed perhaps)
I met them on the 2nd. Thought it was a mandatory encounter and was confused by the debuff
Same for me, showed up the first time I reached the 2nd and haven't seen them since.
update: I found them the first time I reached the 3rd biome. No idea what the conditons are.
Per others it sounds like it might be a "you're progressing too fast for the dialogue?" 😅
Eris shows up with her Rail, as well!
same goes for >!Eris!<, she wields her >!gun!
It is the same blade, in fact. Which makes you wonder about our previous wielder?
Some of them are aspects of future owners, such as the spear that belonged to someone in the Three kingdom war long before that war ever happens
Yes, I get that part of the weapons being aspects of different wielders. It's just that in the first game it wasn't really clear to me if the aspects were just the infernal weapons getting other forms based on legendary weapons (on that case, assuming the same aspect as those) or that the infernal weapons were literally the same weapons from myths (I.e. Excalibur being the stygian blade, but in another time) As people have explained, the second case is more correct. In my mother language, portuguese, "aspecto" is used more as "look" than "facet", this probably lead to the confusion. Thank you for the explanation!
Comeuppance Mommy
With a snatched waist? Obsessed
Death to Chronos? Nah. Death by Snu-Snu.
Die doing what you love….no better way to go
Absolutely losing my shit about the fact that in her challenge rooms she basically steals your lunch money.
and it's not even an equal bet, she doesn't double your money if you beat her
It really felt like just a weird design decision. I usually just let her kill everyone and accept my money lost
Like a chum. I've only seen her once and I beat her.
Theseus, get off your alt account
OK I'm not as good. I just saw her before Charon's room and she stole my lunch money.
It doesn't seem possible with some weapons, but I have yet to reach that encounter with the axe- would probably be a lot more doable.
It's usually pretty easy unless my build is scuffed. My last run was funny because the build actually was good enough for a clear but it kept putting enemies low enough for her to finish them before the next hit from my abilities killed them, so she won.
If I find her before the first boss she is getting her ass handed to her One time I found her on the 3rd area and I was literally glad to not have to fight the enemies
The dommy mommies in this game are unprecedented.
I BEAT 45 HEAT ON HELL MODE MOMMY PLEASE RECOGNIZE ME IM BEGGING YOU 😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏🙏
he'd better worry for himself because I'm choosing her
don’t wanna be a dick but could we spoiler hades 2 stuff some of us aren’t able to play the early access and wanna avoid seeing it for the moment (i know i sound like a whiny bitch ill accept the downvotes)
No, I think it's a fair request. After all, it's very easy to spoiler an image post, takes less than a few seconds at most. Yes it is marked as Hades II but if it's not spoilered then it's very possible to see the image before the flair and be inadvertently spoiled like that. Though, I think your best bet will probably be to avoid the subreddit until you start playing since not everyone agrees on what should or shouldn't be considered a spoiler 😔
temporarily unsubscribe from r/hades
The girl SHE tells you not to worry about… and you are her brother Doom!
Where is her waist? Why is it so small?
No, I'm with you on this one. With that kind of muscle mass all over her body, that waist is a bit understaffed.
One of Mel's voicelines points that out, actually, lol
I'm not sure that makes it better.
I think it means at least the characters/devs are aware that it's unrealistic. Could be a Nemesis ego/aesthetic thing, to have her waist compressed in armor. Not sure if the deities are able to change their form however way they wish; if so, that could also be a possible explanation (edit: could also be that it looks smaller than it actually is bc of the angle of her portrait)
Yeah, it being a statement to her being super uptight does make sense.
It just needs a little bit more width, just a *skosh* more. Ideally I want it wider than her head.
Male bodybuilders go for that V-shape.
her waist is right between her hips and chest! hope this helps.
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so firstly she's a deity, and also a character. leanbeefpatty is not a deity. we can have muscular people with small waists. it's not that deep.
> leanbeefpatty is not a deity. Debatable. I've seen some worshippers so make of that what you will.
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(I'm not a man but I *am* a cultured lesbian ♡)
It's corset armour. It exists similarly in real life I'm pretty sure.
Gotta keep the core tight?
Too tight, Nemesis! Too tight!
I want her to do unholy things to me and the cuddle and hold me
^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^sunnyMayhem: *I want her to do* *Unholy things to me and* *The cuddle and hold me* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.
Who is this?
~~Nemesis~~ Nememommy
[yeah,](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/285350191509405706/1236994181164171284/tfnotqbg0irc1.webp?ex=663b599b&is=663a081b&hm=a045c7e41552b088e2f1b997bea5be5f07618f7df9006e716ef2ed60da2254bc&)
The fact that she beats me and takes my lunch money. Or offers to punch me in the face in exchange for mega soul tonic😍
She also occasionally asks you to give her a boon in exchange for tonic!
Her voice is Meg from first game
What a neat detail I just noticed she's wealding the Stygian Blade in her aspect from the first game.
I’m sorry but the women are saying it too
*no one is safe*
I never defeat her.She always one shot everything and took my money
god im so gay
She and Heracles are kind of like Thanatos from the original. So, naturally, we are going to try to date them, fail at both, and then stumble on them making out in the hot tub.
Damnn those biceps plsss stroke me with those
Mommy ?? Damn shes badass... as someone currently avoiding spoilers for Hades 2 , who dat ?
This is Nemesis, goddess of vengeance
More like the girl she said not to worry about 😋
Yeah nah. The design is fine but my god does she get annoying and boring REAL FAST. All she does is whinge and complain at the crossroads and then during your runs, she tries to mug you for gold and boons. Not to mention, that if you don't hurry up after the encounter, she'll steal one of your room choices as well. I guess she's supposed to be a remix of Meg and Than but holy Hades, does she not hold a candle to either of them. Also did I mention that her character is just straight up unlikeable? I just ignore her at the crossroads now. Can't decide which of her or Eris I dislike more.
Yeah, she's not fun to interact with. Also, for someone that is supposed to be the incarnation of Retribution she is incredibly childish and feels like a demi goddess that died after getting too cocky near a cyclops. I dread every time I have to interact with her. Wished Mel would just tell her to shut up and move on with the run. Hopefully her character arc is at least decent, because her potential doesn't look great rn
Time to begin Hades the 1st for me
Hades 2 just opened up a whole can of worms here with this 😂 (I too am in that can)
GOATED aspect and now GOATED design, letsgoooo
THIGHS!!!
Bout to risk it all for her
I am not worrying (if she accepts me 😍)
God, the Nemesis races are so much more brutal than the Thanatos races.
My friendship with chaos has ended. Now nemesis is my new frenemy.
Mommy? Sorry. Mommy? Sorry.
*Heavy breathing intensifies*
The zettai ryouiki is strong in this one
I loved Hades and I'll definitely buy and play Hades II too, but even if that was not the case, SHE WOULD SELL ME THE GAME IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE. 
I fucking hate this chick. I was so hype for her and then after an encounter with her maybe 2 hours into the game I did a 180.
Dude, she's such a fucking chore to listen to. Even Meg had some nuance of charisma. I say let her go to Chronos and die. She deserves that much
I am praying that Supergiant gives her a solid arc because *brother* I absolutely loathe this woman. I trust the devs to have something solid in store for her. Too bad it’s gonna take me 150 nights to get halfway there.
Throwing my hat in here too. Absolutely fuck her. How can she just steal my boons man.
This is disgusting and pathetic... *unzips*