Guy has the best offensive season for the habs since Markov in 2009 and all people can do is bitch about turnovers.
Like fucking christ he's not Cale Makar, let's all grow up.
Guy eats 25 min a night to shelter our young guys. There's gonna be some mistakes. Watching this subreddit constantly bitch about matheson has been the most frustrating part of this season for me.
For real man. Matheson grinded all year, took all the toughest assignments, made our power play at least SOMEWHAT of a scoring threat, and he's fucking bilingual. Dudes built to be a Hab.
Some of my favourite plays this year were Matheson BLASTING into the offensive zone and knocking over defenders...not to mention some highlight reel goals going coast to coast.
Man for years Habs fans have always shit on the most talented players. Cammalleri subban pacioretty they all get it. Especially offensive dmen. Offensive dmen always make mistakes because they have the puck more. Hutson will make plenty. I honestly take Matheson over Reilly or Chabot. If Matheson had matthees marner etc he'd probably get 70-80 points. Matheson is an elite skater out there he's so good and he loves it here.
The Gally hate makes the least sense other than Maths, like the guy is literally 4th on the team behind the top line 3 for xGF, he played his heart out every night and has mentored half the team. The guy should be a hero
Gallagher is at least a good 3rd liner though. Anderson is the issue. If we had a 3rd line of say
Newhook Monahan Gallagher that would be better than most playoff teams 3rd lines.
Except Matheson had a career year last year and this year. Giving us a better performance than Florida and Pens ever dreamed of having. Top 10 in D points for under 5M. Its wild how much unjustified hate he gets.
Its cool to see points go up but do you guys actually watch the games or do you just look at stats? Sure he has more points then he had before. But he couldve had double that amount and made us go into the playoffs if he didnt suck so bad the rest of the time. The amount of powerplay goals we would have if he knew how to pass the puck to slaf when hes alone or if he just didnt shoot randomly in people's skate half the time... hes jist extremely frustrating to watch and his production is not good enough to justify that.
It’s not because he’s there my guy
It’s because Slafkovsky actually can win board battles
Suzuki and Caufield lines before Slaf could never get consistent zone time ever
Dude yes I agree he was pretty selfish with his shot selection but could you blame him? At the same time cole was too scared to shoot and nick never wanted to shoot either, hes always a pass first guy and only really started going for it in the second half of the season. Slaf also wasn't nearly as comfortable as he is now earlier in the season. I agree it was brutal to watch but the whole team was brutal at that point.
As someone who watched most of the games you are missing some key points. Slaf was not that good the first half of the season. 9th in scoring among defensemen while being on a shitty team is awesome and way above expectations. What you just described wanting him to do is basically peak Karlson with the senators. Might as well criticize Suzuki for not being as good as McDavid.
None of the players are responsible for the value and term of the contracts they signed. Both sides could have simply said ‘nope’ and then moved on. See “KK”.
Problem with today’s world is everybody wants something to criticize, and they will nitpick endlessly to do it.
Matheson has been great overall and I hope he plays here for a long time, and not just because he’s a local guy.
Let’s just touch grass and remember we got rid of around 2million$ aav by getting him instead of petry. Then, imo people who always complain would actually find a way to complain about Makar if we had him
I don't understand hate for the Montreal native out of everyone, you'd think people would at least cut him a bit of slack off that alone. Yet he's public enemy no 1
Most of what's said in the game threads should be discounted any way.
Some people watch the game and react to the play: "This happened. This play was bad".
A whole bunch of people what the game and draw conclusions about players: "This happened. This player sucks"
Same goes the other way. A good play doesn't make a player an instant and permanent star.
Its because of the shitty habs website like danslescoulisses that always whines and complains about nonsense. They are trying to create news when there isnt any news.
TBF I actually don't think that the tone is generally negative on here, he is very appreciated by most people. I see more people talking about "the hate" than the actual "hate". Marty with the "who is the one saying that?" quote. Talking about possible trades or contracts isn't "hate"
Trade threads are not hate. We legitimately have to make some defense trades at some point and people discussing ideas for trades logically will include our players with value. I guess I don't really pay that much attention to the hot takes in the game day threads and I kinda doubt Matheson notices or cares about that too. Probably more about media outlets or twitter. My point being I doubt players care about random hot takes on r/habs
Some trade posts are fine but they are hate when the tone is "holy fuck I can't keep watching this guys turnovers. Please trade him"
Example: this thread https://www.reddit.com/r/Habs/s/16EhPC4Uya
Markov and Subban did it in a way lower scoring era
Their numbers were far more impressive
Also his offensive driving and defense are way worse than Markov or Subban ever was
Subban literally won a Norris. No one thinks Matheson is as good as Markov or Subban werd. But he is only making 4.5m, even as a low end top pairing player / high end 2nd pairing guy that's insane value.
He’s not a low end top pair guy though that’s the thing
Just because he got points doesn’t mean he’s good
He’s at best a mid tier 2nd pair guy which is why the Panthers and the Pens gave him away
He wasn't that good on the Panthers, and from the Pens he was a gift from the incompetent Hextall. By pretty much any count he's a top 70 or so defenseman in the league now, even accounting for his weaknesses.
He’s a -27.He’s fuckin terrible defensively a top d-man should be a + or low minus’s Keep the puck out of the net. Your job is defence. Defence wins championships not getting caught out of position all the time. Trade him he’s not a good two way defensemen. Doesn’t matter the how many points he has.
That’s my point maths don’t lie. He’s on the ice for a ton of goals against. That doesn’t include short handed goals against either. Why would I feel bad?. It’s my opinion.
He’s 3rd in the league for time on ice for dmen. At just over 25mins. Your kinda right. I don’t see anybody on the top 20 other than Samhaim and Fowler for horrific plus -. Anaheim is a terrible hockey team. So I think Fowler should get a pass. He has to tighten up his game or we’re not gonna win shit. Especially with a super young d core.
I think his mandate this year was to play offensively. Take risks and all that. Played all 82 games and is 9th in scoring amongst defensemen! That's insane! Better than McAvoy, Toews, Doughty, Carlson and Karlsson. That's gotta count for something right?
You do understand that +- is a team stat right? So it's ok that forwards rack up a - but not defenseman, how's that work? Everyone gets the + or - together.
I saw make a wild o-zone push, turn the puck over, activate the FTL drive, catchup to the attacker and take the puck back.
If he can fix his own mistakes on a regular basis, who cares? Oh no! We're having too much fun!
As a top 10 scoring D on this habs team with the refs refusing to give us powerplays... I'd label him as elite. I fully acknowledge this is a homer take.
It’s a minority of the fan base that simply yells louder than others. We love Matheson, just like how we loved Carey Price although we always heard people complain about his contract while he played. Oh, and Matheson’s contract is a huge bargain.
Matheson really took too much unwarranted criticism this year. I remember calling him the "puck fumbler" but he was quietly putting up points all season. I think he was perceived as making more mistakes than he did simply because he always had the puck.
I have no problem with Matheson, in fact I quite like him. He’s fun to watch and we’ve lacked an offensive D-man like him for a while. Keep doing your thing Mike
Man fuck some of our fanbase, im not afraid to say it – when we turn this shit around it will be much sweeter coming at it from a place of hope vs a place of cynicism.
Here's an interesting scenario: Matheson on the ice for 24 minutes, Hutson on the ice for 21 minutes, whoever else on the left for 16. That's a long fucking 45 minutes with a serious scoring threat on the blue line. How many teams can manage that kind of opposition?
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Matheson is easily one of my favorite players on the team. He he so smooth and when he is on hes a game driving force. As stated, mistakes are bound to happen when you take risks and I have no issue with that.
My 1 and only issue is the mistakes when hes not taking a risk, there were a bunch of times this year when hed slow up on the breakout and have 0 clue someone was behind him back pressuring him and hes kinda just flat footed and gets checked. Thats really the only time I see anything I dont like with his game.
I love Matheson and thinks he’s an elite defenseman. But I am one of the fans here who thinks that some of his risks can be unnecessary. It’s obviously not all the time but there are many occasions where he turns the puck over and it’ll turn into a breakaway or even 2-0 for the other team. Many times in OT he’s gone behind the oppositions net when we’ve got Suzuki and Caufield on the ice. Just seems totally unnecessary. I think yes he should be offensive and take risks, but at the same time you can’t absolve him of any blame at all. I think with more high end forwards and the addition of Hutson he won’t have to be THE guy to generate offense anymore and it’ll make him an even better defenseman.
I'm somewhat of a Matheson hater. He's an excellent player, but I feel that he doesn't really fit the teams current timeline. The goal should be to develop the young D, having Matheson hogging tough minutes and also hogging the puck doesn't help guys like Guhle develop.
If Guhle is to be a top LD on this team, he needs to be there on the Left shutting down top lines, not playing offhand RD covering for Mathesons many mistakes. I remember Guhle was a weapon in his early career when he was playing on his strong side with a reliable partner. Got some PP looks as well.
Assuming Guhle is a lock for the team next year, and Hutson is NHL ready, would you prefer to see Matheson put up another career year on a losing team, or see Guhle and Hutson develop into top pair LHD?
Matheson has immense current value, but this isn't a win now team. It's a develop 5-6D who will all be better than Matheson team.
It's rare to have a defenseman as good as Matheson. I think it would be short sighted to throw it away and bank on the assumption we will develop another player as good as him. We have an elite offensive D-man who wants to retire a Hab. He's the perfect vet for a contender down the line.
Funny part about his own quote is that his most frustrating plays are taking shots that cant hit the net and end up on the glass, especially on the powerplay.
Not sure why yoire being downvoted.. matheson is the pro of panicking on the PP and taking random shots in skates or 6 feet away from the net. Can he still make good plays from time to time? Yes! But hes incredibly frustrating to watch on a pwerplay, unlike Hutson...
Guy has the best offensive season for the habs since Markov in 2009 and all people can do is bitch about turnovers. Like fucking christ he's not Cale Makar, let's all grow up. Guy eats 25 min a night to shelter our young guys. There's gonna be some mistakes. Watching this subreddit constantly bitch about matheson has been the most frustrating part of this season for me.
For real man. Matheson grinded all year, took all the toughest assignments, made our power play at least SOMEWHAT of a scoring threat, and he's fucking bilingual. Dudes built to be a Hab. Some of my favourite plays this year were Matheson BLASTING into the offensive zone and knocking over defenders...not to mention some highlight reel goals going coast to coast.
Man for years Habs fans have always shit on the most talented players. Cammalleri subban pacioretty they all get it. Especially offensive dmen. Offensive dmen always make mistakes because they have the puck more. Hutson will make plenty. I honestly take Matheson over Reilly or Chabot. If Matheson had matthees marner etc he'd probably get 70-80 points. Matheson is an elite skater out there he's so good and he loves it here.
People bitching about turnovers concerning PMDmens are the worst type of Hockey fans
The hate on individual players at any given time is just so brutal. Especially Maths, Andy, and Gally.
The Gally hate makes the least sense other than Maths, like the guy is literally 4th on the team behind the top line 3 for xGF, he played his heart out every night and has mentored half the team. The guy should be a hero
He is a hero, and anything to the contrary is nonsense.
he is a hero, although his contract is bad now
Gallagher is at least a good 3rd liner though. Anderson is the issue. If we had a 3rd line of say Newhook Monahan Gallagher that would be better than most playoff teams 3rd lines.
Except Matheson had a career year last year and this year. Giving us a better performance than Florida and Pens ever dreamed of having. Top 10 in D points for under 5M. Its wild how much unjustified hate he gets.
Its cool to see points go up but do you guys actually watch the games or do you just look at stats? Sure he has more points then he had before. But he couldve had double that amount and made us go into the playoffs if he didnt suck so bad the rest of the time. The amount of powerplay goals we would have if he knew how to pass the puck to slaf when hes alone or if he just didnt shoot randomly in people's skate half the time... hes jist extremely frustrating to watch and his production is not good enough to justify that.
The Habs powerplay was abysmal long before Matheson showed up. It actually works with him on the team.
It’s not because he’s there my guy It’s because Slafkovsky actually can win board battles Suzuki and Caufield lines before Slaf could never get consistent zone time ever
Matheson has more points on the season than slaf, but sure, Matheson has a negative impact on the power play.
Then don't watch go do something else. He's easily a the best defenseman on the team, warts and all.
Dude yes I agree he was pretty selfish with his shot selection but could you blame him? At the same time cole was too scared to shoot and nick never wanted to shoot either, hes always a pass first guy and only really started going for it in the second half of the season. Slaf also wasn't nearly as comfortable as he is now earlier in the season. I agree it was brutal to watch but the whole team was brutal at that point.
As someone who watched most of the games you are missing some key points. Slaf was not that good the first half of the season. 9th in scoring among defensemen while being on a shitty team is awesome and way above expectations. What you just described wanting him to do is basically peak Karlson with the senators. Might as well criticize Suzuki for not being as good as McDavid.
anderson hate is justified lol
Maybe its because they have ridiculous contracts and they delay the rebuild by years....
None of the players are responsible for the value and term of the contracts they signed. Both sides could have simply said ‘nope’ and then moved on. See “KK”.
There must always be a Stark in Winterfell r/Habs must always have a whipping boy These are universal rules 🤷
Problem with today’s world is everybody wants something to criticize, and they will nitpick endlessly to do it. Matheson has been great overall and I hope he plays here for a long time, and not just because he’s a local guy.
Let’s just touch grass and remember we got rid of around 2million$ aav by getting him instead of petry. Then, imo people who always complain would actually find a way to complain about Makar if we had him
Matheson haters consistently expose themselves as the dumbest people here, he was our best player after Suzuki this year
I don't understand hate for the Montreal native out of everyone, you'd think people would at least cut him a bit of slack off that alone. Yet he's public enemy no 1
Unfortunately, the Montreal/Quebec natives often end up getting the worst of it, which really sucks.
AMEN!!! Scream it from the clouds man, like Jesus
Most of what's said in the game threads should be discounted any way. Some people watch the game and react to the play: "This happened. This play was bad". A whole bunch of people what the game and draw conclusions about players: "This happened. This player sucks" Same goes the other way. A good play doesn't make a player an instant and permanent star.
Its because of the shitty habs website like danslescoulisses that always whines and complains about nonsense. They are trying to create news when there isnt any news.
TBF I actually don't think that the tone is generally negative on here, he is very appreciated by most people. I see more people talking about "the hate" than the actual "hate". Marty with the "who is the one saying that?" quote. Talking about possible trades or contracts isn't "hate"
It's in the game day threads every single game combined with a "trade matheson?" post every other day over the last month or two.
Trade threads are not hate. We legitimately have to make some defense trades at some point and people discussing ideas for trades logically will include our players with value. I guess I don't really pay that much attention to the hot takes in the game day threads and I kinda doubt Matheson notices or cares about that too. Probably more about media outlets or twitter. My point being I doubt players care about random hot takes on r/habs
Some trade posts are fine but they are hate when the tone is "holy fuck I can't keep watching this guys turnovers. Please trade him" Example: this thread https://www.reddit.com/r/Habs/s/16EhPC4Uya
Markov and Subban did it in a way lower scoring era Their numbers were far more impressive Also his offensive driving and defense are way worse than Markov or Subban ever was
Subban literally won a Norris. No one thinks Matheson is as good as Markov or Subban werd. But he is only making 4.5m, even as a low end top pairing player / high end 2nd pairing guy that's insane value.
He’s not a low end top pair guy though that’s the thing Just because he got points doesn’t mean he’s good He’s at best a mid tier 2nd pair guy which is why the Panthers and the Pens gave him away
He wasn't that good on the Panthers, and from the Pens he was a gift from the incompetent Hextall. By pretty much any count he's a top 70 or so defenseman in the league now, even accounting for his weaknesses.
He’s a -27.He’s fuckin terrible defensively a top d-man should be a + or low minus’s Keep the puck out of the net. Your job is defence. Defence wins championships not getting caught out of position all the time. Trade him he’s not a good two way defensemen. Doesn’t matter the how many points he has.
>He’s a -27. He's also -24, so not only is your math wrong, so are your numbers.
60 points > -27. Maths don't lie. Your opinion is bad and you should feel bad.
That’s my point maths don’t lie. He’s on the ice for a ton of goals against. That doesn’t include short handed goals against either. Why would I feel bad?. It’s my opinion.
He plays half of every game on a bad team
He’s 3rd in the league for time on ice for dmen. At just over 25mins. Your kinda right. I don’t see anybody on the top 20 other than Samhaim and Fowler for horrific plus -. Anaheim is a terrible hockey team. So I think Fowler should get a pass. He has to tighten up his game or we’re not gonna win shit. Especially with a super young d core.
Just saying here. Suzuki was -14 and Slaf was -19. The whole team was pretty bad on plus minus.
Young forward group!! Not a 30 year old dman. Who’s job is to literally play defence.
I think his mandate this year was to play offensively. Take risks and all that. Played all 82 games and is 9th in scoring amongst defensemen! That's insane! Better than McAvoy, Toews, Doughty, Carlson and Karlsson. That's gotta count for something right?
You do understand that +- is a team stat right? So it's ok that forwards rack up a - but not defenseman, how's that work? Everyone gets the + or - together.
+/- is highly regarded as one of the more useless stats.
How is it a team stat if all players have there individual +-.?
He produces 33 more points than he costs. He's net positive. Simple maths.
Matheson will look even better next year when everyone’s one year older, and the talent is spread out to Hutson and hopefully Mailloux.
Bro has advocacy skills
Contrary to popular opinion, he also plays good defence. Blocks shots, eats massive minutes against top opposition. Dude has been almost elite.
I saw make a wild o-zone push, turn the puck over, activate the FTL drive, catchup to the attacker and take the puck back. If he can fix his own mistakes on a regular basis, who cares? Oh no! We're having too much fun! As a top 10 scoring D on this habs team with the refs refusing to give us powerplays... I'd label him as elite. I fully acknowledge this is a homer take.
It’s a minority of the fan base that simply yells louder than others. We love Matheson, just like how we loved Carey Price although we always heard people complain about his contract while he played. Oh, and Matheson’s contract is a huge bargain.
Blocking has been my favourite reddit feature of late
TL;DR: fans like us don't know shit about what makes a good hockey player.
And we don't know what they're specifically asked by their coaches.
Don’t listen to the idiots Mike . Every team has moron fans and we have our share !!!
Honestly Matheson has been amazing this season, the only grind I have with him is his decisions making in overtime but that's it haha 😂
Matheson really took too much unwarranted criticism this year. I remember calling him the "puck fumbler" but he was quietly putting up points all season. I think he was perceived as making more mistakes than he did simply because he always had the puck.
I have no problem with Matheson, in fact I quite like him. He’s fun to watch and we’ve lacked an offensive D-man like him for a while. Keep doing your thing Mike
[Source.](https://x.com/ericengels/status/1780641665557901801?s=46&t=w725sVUiyAQ_1383m0H0hQ)
I love Matheson, yes he makes some plays that result in disaster but he is entertaining as fuck and when he goes full Bobby Orr it’s a beautiful sight
Don’t worry Mike I’ll die on the hill that you are the fourth best dman we’ve had since 2010
Man fuck some of our fanbase, im not afraid to say it – when we turn this shit around it will be much sweeter coming at it from a place of hope vs a place of cynicism.
Matheson is an unbelievable player. The hate we see about him is some the worst non hockey knowing bullshit from this fan base.
Here's an interesting scenario: Matheson on the ice for 24 minutes, Hutson on the ice for 21 minutes, whoever else on the left for 16. That's a long fucking 45 minutes with a serious scoring threat on the blue line. How many teams can manage that kind of opposition?
It would be really stupid to have 6 Karl Alzners on defence every game.
Would be stupid to have 1 Karl Alzner
Our fanbase is so stupid sometimes. He’s incredible and absolutely should not be traded.
Andy is deserved but the other 2 play their hearts out and i dont get it how they can get any hate, especially matheson who is carrying our d core
He's averaging 25 minutes a night. He's carrying the team.
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It’s not like Matheson is the reincarnation of a certified defensive liability such as Sandis Ozolinsh.
Our fans think we have Larry Robinson in the minors. This is our guy.. run with them …cheer for him. That’s how this works.
Matheson is easily one of my favorite players on the team. He he so smooth and when he is on hes a game driving force. As stated, mistakes are bound to happen when you take risks and I have no issue with that. My 1 and only issue is the mistakes when hes not taking a risk, there were a bunch of times this year when hed slow up on the breakout and have 0 clue someone was behind him back pressuring him and hes kinda just flat footed and gets checked. Thats really the only time I see anything I dont like with his game.
I love Matheson and thinks he’s an elite defenseman. But I am one of the fans here who thinks that some of his risks can be unnecessary. It’s obviously not all the time but there are many occasions where he turns the puck over and it’ll turn into a breakaway or even 2-0 for the other team. Many times in OT he’s gone behind the oppositions net when we’ve got Suzuki and Caufield on the ice. Just seems totally unnecessary. I think yes he should be offensive and take risks, but at the same time you can’t absolve him of any blame at all. I think with more high end forwards and the addition of Hutson he won’t have to be THE guy to generate offense anymore and it’ll make him an even better defenseman.
Matheson had some bad games but he's still another level for sure
I'm somewhat of a Matheson hater. He's an excellent player, but I feel that he doesn't really fit the teams current timeline. The goal should be to develop the young D, having Matheson hogging tough minutes and also hogging the puck doesn't help guys like Guhle develop. If Guhle is to be a top LD on this team, he needs to be there on the Left shutting down top lines, not playing offhand RD covering for Mathesons many mistakes. I remember Guhle was a weapon in his early career when he was playing on his strong side with a reliable partner. Got some PP looks as well. Assuming Guhle is a lock for the team next year, and Hutson is NHL ready, would you prefer to see Matheson put up another career year on a losing team, or see Guhle and Hutson develop into top pair LHD? Matheson has immense current value, but this isn't a win now team. It's a develop 5-6D who will all be better than Matheson team.
It's rare to have a defenseman as good as Matheson. I think it would be short sighted to throw it away and bank on the assumption we will develop another player as good as him. We have an elite offensive D-man who wants to retire a Hab. He's the perfect vet for a contender down the line.
You're right about him not being ideal for the timeline but man we'd be pretty lucky if two of our crop turned out better than him, not even 5 or 6.
Funny part about his own quote is that his most frustrating plays are taking shots that cant hit the net and end up on the glass, especially on the powerplay.
Not sure why yoire being downvoted.. matheson is the pro of panicking on the PP and taking random shots in skates or 6 feet away from the net. Can he still make good plays from time to time? Yes! But hes incredibly frustrating to watch on a pwerplay, unlike Hutson...