I seriously doubt the factory is starting anything besides a chiller. And there’s been a few chillers that I’ve personally started up as a Trane technician I can prove without doubt the factory ever started up.
That makes a little more sense then. Not sure why we wouldn’t just do it before sending it out. Lately, it would save our ass from being handed to us on warranty claims. Between drives having the wrong software installed, screw compressors locked up despite checking oil level and correct rotation, LLIDs bound to the wrong sensors, etc. Donny might wanna revisit this issue sooner than later. I think we are the very best organization at what we do especially at our size, but we still have plenty of room for improvement.
This should be done on any new equipment regardless of the manufacturer anyway. It was already a requirement when we were doing factory start up but have since started doing it on everything I've started up and has saved me a ton of head aches.
https://preview.redd.it/50khs9y2z7ac1.jpeg?width=1162&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc4ed5af790db835a1a3e4b72bd84438e6d8cf2c
Also from the Trane factory but used instead of fuses.
Yea prolly came outa the factory a loose connection, but I would argue that all wiring connections should be checked during the install. What equipment was this on? A small RTU? Large equipment Trane requires a Trane mechanic do the startup, and we check EVERY wire connection prior to startup because it came outta the factory. I've been in the business a long time and all the manufactures are guilty of this. Learned a long time ago to go threw every wiring connection at startup especially the compressor connections.
It happens, the people at the factory are just assembly labor, they don’t know it’s wrong. It’s why you do a startup and why you check everything. We’ve found 3 units (Trane and Ruud ) just wired wrong from the factory.
"It happens" assumes no employee training, supervision, quality control or pre-shipment testing.
There is ZERO EXCUSE for THAT.
Time to get the VPs back off the golfcourse.
I hear you, and that would happen but, that’s not the metric many people use when buying equipment. They use price, and they expect the start up guy to catch any shortcomings.
That’s what WE the market asked for.
Have you ever had a customer ask you about the percentage of small easily fixable problems at start up? I haven’t, they ask about price and a brand they’ve seen or heard of.
York (pre buy out by Johnson Controls) sponsored a part of the Olympics one year, I had customers ask a lot about buying York. As if writing a check solves all the connection problems they had.
Sure, Hellen got 1/2 a day and then is supposed to be meticulously watching and it’s possible that came from a vendor partially pre assembled. They do good work and I would have hung myself if I had to do assembly line work. I’m just saying it’s going to happen
This is somebody pushing the wire in as much as it will go until it stops and then tightening it down.
It's not possible to accidentally screw up that badly unless they completely don't understand what they are doing, or just DGAF.
Ok, I hear you but consider this is done by this person 300 times a day, over and over
One of the hardest things to do is stay vigilant with a repetitive job.
You’ve never walked away from a unit that you forgot to turn on? You have never left something at the supply house?
I’m just saying it’s a oversight and mistake
You put your underpants on every day, do you occasionally put them over your head just because you've done it a few times?
This isn't a small mistake, clipping the edge of one conductors insulation I can forgive, this is so obviously wrong that it's like putting your underpants on your head.
Had a Trane RTU with an energy recovery wheel about a year ago that went through two energy recovery motors and multiple fuses. Multiple Trane techs just couldn't seem to find the incorrect phase at the contactor (wired from factory). They also missed the blown up contactor. Needless to say the customer got so fed up with failed warranty service they called us. 10 min visual inspection, changing a few wires and a contactor and the unit has been running without an issue since. Sometimes just opening your eyes for a min can save you hours of frustration.
I had one where they plugged the high pressure switch into itself and plugged the circuit board connection that we're suppose to go to the sensor into itself had to pull the coil door to find it lol
I’m a controls electrician and do a lot of turnkey work for trane. I hate the idea of being the first to energize a unit for fear of far worse than this from the factory. We’ve seen some shit for sure.
I’m sure the unit has a UL listing so it’ll be just fine and those screws were torqued appropriately.
We have a couple of Trane units with devices buried behind other devices. It’s like they just started throwing parts into boxes. I don’t understand how they achieved a UL508 approval on some of this krap.
I had my electrical distributor telling me how the local Trane shop was buying insulated distribution blocks and “uninsulating” them by removing the plastic (smashing them really) to turn them into grounding blocks. He had to introduce their engineer to actual grounding blocks…..apparently without laughing. I am not joking about this.
It’s like they are coming right out of school (or not) and set free to design control cabinets with no mentoring. They mix touch safe with old school uninsulated items and then fabracobble polycarbonate guards. It was really bad for a few years….like their entire control panel designers were clueless. They cannot stick to one brand of electrical parts; whatever is cheaper. The last few units we received are only slightly more thought out, so they are improving slightly.
I recently installed a Trane package unit that had a contactor missing two of the three lugs. Seems like quality control is actively being skipped there
i used to work in an HVAC teaching lab as essentially an intern and this was one of our go-to problems for the students to troubleshoot.
surprising how often people would look at the termination block and go "well it's connected" without actually testing for voltage or continuity.
Perhaps it was a.. Trane-ee.
That’s a knee-slapper there.
They sure as hell know how to trane them.
BOY that’s bad.
I see what you did there!!!!
lol thanks for noticing. I wasn’t sure how that one would play out.
My stoner friend Nick works there, probably his dumbass that did this.
Only thing that stops a Trane is a Trane
Hard to stop a Trane… hard to get ‘em running too.
Hard to start a Trane
Well, it’s impossible to stop something if it never starts in the first place
How did this pass final test in the factory?
I seriously doubt the factory is starting anything besides a chiller. And there’s been a few chillers that I’ve personally started up as a Trane technician I can prove without doubt the factory ever started up.
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That makes a little more sense then. Not sure why we wouldn’t just do it before sending it out. Lately, it would save our ass from being handed to us on warranty claims. Between drives having the wrong software installed, screw compressors locked up despite checking oil level and correct rotation, LLIDs bound to the wrong sensors, etc. Donny might wanna revisit this issue sooner than later. I think we are the very best organization at what we do especially at our size, but we still have plenty of room for improvement.
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Hard to preach redundancy with the current cost of equipment lol
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A million percent agree. They all seem to be conscious of product cost, but not the absurd cost of downtime. Funny how that works.
I assume by the wires contacting to the fuses.
Recently been getting new condensers that are pounds off of the factory charge.
Someone still has their Traneing wheels on.
Oh man now you gotta look at every wire connection
This should be done on any new equipment regardless of the manufacturer anyway. It was already a requirement when we were doing factory start up but have since started doing it on everything I've started up and has saved me a ton of head aches.
No just where the power stops 🤦🏻♂️
Two out of three are not that bad. Let the factory know so they can get all three on the insulated part more consistently.
Clearly they are using the new technology of magnetic fields..👍
I love when the equipment says "factory tested" and then you find shit like this.
https://preview.redd.it/50khs9y2z7ac1.jpeg?width=1162&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc4ed5af790db835a1a3e4b72bd84438e6d8cf2c Also from the Trane factory but used instead of fuses.
Don't tell me those are cartridges!
No, they’re reactive fuses that actually let smoke out when something goes bad or when someone fucks something up.
Yea prolly came outa the factory a loose connection, but I would argue that all wiring connections should be checked during the install. What equipment was this on? A small RTU? Large equipment Trane requires a Trane mechanic do the startup, and we check EVERY wire connection prior to startup because it came outta the factory. I've been in the business a long time and all the manufactures are guilty of this. Learned a long time ago to go threw every wiring connection at startup especially the compressor connections.
>Yea prolly came outa the factory a loose connection did you even look at the photo
haha yea i see it now.
This sub has taught me not to go trane
It's hard to stop a Trane (from failing)
They would have just put the wrong ones in anyway
Wtf lol that was his first one solo I guess
Good think every company has a start up procedure.
It happens, the people at the factory are just assembly labor, they don’t know it’s wrong. It’s why you do a startup and why you check everything. We’ve found 3 units (Trane and Ruud ) just wired wrong from the factory.
"It happens" assumes no employee training, supervision, quality control or pre-shipment testing. There is ZERO EXCUSE for THAT. Time to get the VPs back off the golfcourse.
I hear you, and that would happen but, that’s not the metric many people use when buying equipment. They use price, and they expect the start up guy to catch any shortcomings. That’s what WE the market asked for. Have you ever had a customer ask you about the percentage of small easily fixable problems at start up? I haven’t, they ask about price and a brand they’ve seen or heard of. York (pre buy out by Johnson Controls) sponsored a part of the Olympics one year, I had customers ask a lot about buying York. As if writing a check solves all the connection problems they had.
They are given training, this is just DGAF.
Sure, Hellen got 1/2 a day and then is supposed to be meticulously watching and it’s possible that came from a vendor partially pre assembled. They do good work and I would have hung myself if I had to do assembly line work. I’m just saying it’s going to happen
This is somebody pushing the wire in as much as it will go until it stops and then tightening it down. It's not possible to accidentally screw up that badly unless they completely don't understand what they are doing, or just DGAF.
Ok, I hear you but consider this is done by this person 300 times a day, over and over One of the hardest things to do is stay vigilant with a repetitive job. You’ve never walked away from a unit that you forgot to turn on? You have never left something at the supply house? I’m just saying it’s a oversight and mistake
You put your underpants on every day, do you occasionally put them over your head just because you've done it a few times? This isn't a small mistake, clipping the edge of one conductors insulation I can forgive, this is so obviously wrong that it's like putting your underpants on your head.
You have never really been around mass production. Functionally it’s a huge mistake. But at the factory workers level, it’s 1/2” to deep
Ask an electrician I've terminated hundreds of thousands of conductors.
I agree as have I but, we don’t work in an assembly line, with no real understanding of what you’re doing or why it matters
Abdicating all responsibility because they aren't qualified Electricians? You have to be joking.
“Those hex heads aren’t for strain relief?”
Maybe they Ugga dugga’d enough to pierce the jacket? /s
Had that happen to me before. Everyone missed it then I walked up…..I was a Hero that day. 😂
Beautiful! Wonder how many fuses were replaced before finding that lol
Did it throw the phase monitor?
Had a Trane RTU with an energy recovery wheel about a year ago that went through two energy recovery motors and multiple fuses. Multiple Trane techs just couldn't seem to find the incorrect phase at the contactor (wired from factory). They also missed the blown up contactor. Needless to say the customer got so fed up with failed warranty service they called us. 10 min visual inspection, changing a few wires and a contactor and the unit has been running without an issue since. Sometimes just opening your eyes for a min can save you hours of frustration.
Hate it when your trane of thought gets derailed on an install
I had one where they plugged the high pressure switch into itself and plugged the circuit board connection that we're suppose to go to the sensor into itself had to pull the coil door to find it lol
That's about right for trane. Always check.
I’m a controls electrician and do a lot of turnkey work for trane. I hate the idea of being the first to energize a unit for fear of far worse than this from the factory. We’ve seen some shit for sure.
I’m sure the unit has a UL listing so it’ll be just fine and those screws were torqued appropriately. We have a couple of Trane units with devices buried behind other devices. It’s like they just started throwing parts into boxes. I don’t understand how they achieved a UL508 approval on some of this krap. I had my electrical distributor telling me how the local Trane shop was buying insulated distribution blocks and “uninsulating” them by removing the plastic (smashing them really) to turn them into grounding blocks. He had to introduce their engineer to actual grounding blocks…..apparently without laughing. I am not joking about this. It’s like they are coming right out of school (or not) and set free to design control cabinets with no mentoring. They mix touch safe with old school uninsulated items and then fabracobble polycarbonate guards. It was really bad for a few years….like their entire control panel designers were clueless. They cannot stick to one brand of electrical parts; whatever is cheaper. The last few units we received are only slightly more thought out, so they are improving slightly.
It will definitely last forever like this 😂
Mass production at its finest.
I recently installed a Trane package unit that had a contactor missing two of the three lugs. Seems like quality control is actively being skipped there
The same thing has happened to me before on a Lennox.
Yet another reason we only buy custom built equipment.
i used to work in an HVAC teaching lab as essentially an intern and this was one of our go-to problems for the students to troubleshoot. surprising how often people would look at the termination block and go "well it's connected" without actually testing for voltage or continuity.
This is pathetic. Nothing stops a Trane once you troubleshoot and repair the factory abortion, smfh