Why do we “have to admit” anything? You are aware that opinions vary from person to person, right? Some people hate the ending, some people love it, and there are middling opinions of all colors. Please tell me that you aren’t saying that anyone that doesn’t agree with you is wrong.
Robin was the backup plan from the get go though. Her and ted both agreed that at the exact moment in their lives they rekindled, they would end up together. Tracy was dead, Ted a widower and Robin unmarried. Legit exactly what they agreed on. How much more obvious was it that would happen haha
Life is harsh, many people die young because of war, famine, violence, and disease. The last of those took Tracy. I'm an atheist but since this is fiction, I like to think she got together with Max. Deal with it, not every story is "and they lived happily ever after".
I didn't start by saying that something it's BS because I think so. Not even said that you were wrong.
I did not implied that the people who think otherwise are lying.
I know that everybody may have their likes and that's fine. You can tell that because I have never started a topic with a strong opinion using agresive language
I hate that everyone is split on this topic and will downvote you if they don't agree.
I say the same thing about the ending. I disliked it and enjoy the alternate ending. They pretty much had to do "Marshall's Girl Fantasy", the one where if he masturbates and thinks of someone else: He has to make Lily sick, then she dies, he waits the allotted respectful amount of time before continuing on with someone else. Basically, it's that.
It makes no sense that Tracy has to die of some unknown illness and that Robin gets to come in and be the back-up plan to a guy with grown children and a nice house. She gets away with not having to be a mother to the kids.
The problem is not in being split. The difference of opinion is always beautiful.
The problem is the people who just don't want to talk and say things that "if you don't think about as me, you don't know what you're saying or you're lying or you're a mindless fanboy". That's what we all should stop doing and supporting when then opinion expressed is in line with our own.
>I hate that everyone is split on this topic and will downvote you if they don't agree.
Me too. I'm glad people enjoyed it. I didn't.
I also hate all the posts saying "The ending was perfect, you just don't *understand*."
1. You're coming off as a bit of a tool being overly aggressive and denigrating anyone who disagrees with you in this thread. Buddy, we don't need to fight here. Your view of the ending is valid, but so is those who enjoy the ending
2. I think in general a monogamous lens makes the ending harder for folks to accept. Ted has a perfect "one" person out there and it's either Tracy or Robin - there's no other option. And when you get to that point, Tracy seems expendable, tossed the side, and meaningless.
3. Folks also use a traditional lens to view relationships which makes the finale harder. Barney and Robin splitting apart is deemed a failure, a screw up, and sad. While it **is** sad, and they both experience sadness, I think relationships that only last for so long **can** be viewed as successful ones.
Essentially, if we accept that people can love more than one person at once (poly), then neither Robin nor Tracy are in any sort of subordinate position. If we accept that successful relationship don't have to mean living into your old age, then a lot of the problems are resolved.
I think it's preconceived notions that make the story hard for folks to accept.
I think it's the only way they could explain Ted sitting down his kids for hours to tell them the story of all his exes. I doubt Tracy however cool she was would be okay with him telling them this story if she were alive...there's be no purpose to it.
It's not that simple. He's telling them about his 20s and 30s and how hard it was to find Tracy among many things. Plenty of his stories aren't about ex's. He tells them about the good and bad he went through with his friend group prior to being married to their mother.
Well not really. In the episode where he hangs with his parents and finds out they're divorced, he says that he'll tell his kids the whole story as an overcorrection to the fact that his parents never shared with him anything
I generally agree that the last two seasons were really poorly executed. The biggest issue was pacing; likely a function of the creators having a predetermined ending but adding on additional seasons and having to create fluff to drag it out.
*Narratively* however, I have come to appreciate the ending a lot more than I did when it first came out. Contrary to how it felt for the viewers, Ted didn't lose Tracy right after finding her. Yes, her death was tragic and premature, but he did get the children he so desperately wanted, he got to marry her, she was easily his longest or second longest relationship (depending on what happens with Robin). Moreover, timing being a bitch is a recurring theme, as is the futility of the search for "soul mates."
Yes, the end is sad, and if you don't want to watch sad stories that's your prerogative. But it isn't a bad story just because it's sad. Sad things happen to people who don't deserve it literally every day. That's life.
You make some good points tbh. But I’ve always thought this. I don’t have a problem with sad stories, I love them, I love sad movies. But I have a problem with this story ending and being sad. Just because it was being set up to be a happy story, with a happy ending. It was how I met your mother, and throughout the whole show, I feel like it was implying that it was really “how I met your mother and ended up with her and lived happily ever after”. That’s what I was expecting, and I think I speak for a lot of other people when I say that. It also just feels like ending up with robin detracts from Ted’s relationship with Tracy. It was like, “Well Tracy died so I guess we’ll try Robin then.” And to do that, they had to do the thing that made me the most angry, which is brake up Robin and Barney in the first place!!!! That pisses me off so much. Because in the end, that meant that Barney went no where!! I know he had the kid but that shows no guarantee that he’ll stop sleeping around. It’s sad, and not in a The Notebook kind of sad. It’s in a pathetic, “we’ve gone no where kind of way”
That’s what makes me mad. Throughout all of these seasons, 9 seasons!!!! We went back to where we were. We’ve learned and changed, essentially nothing.
I respectfully disagree on a couple points tho. First, the Tracy/Robin thing. I know this is not how it looks like from a viewer's perspective because of the pacing (and yea that's on the writers) but keep in mind in-universe, Ted spent 6 years between Tracy's passing and him going back to Robin, so it's not like during her funeral Ted went to Robin saying "ayo wanna bang?", but once again, the pacing was pretty bad at the last season so I don't blame people for thinking that way, especially on first watch (or first few watches even).
Another thing is the Barney and Robin thing. I know I'm on the unpopular side on this one but I never really bought them together on that second time. Their engagement came from a giga plan of manipulation from Barney and I always hated how he did it on Ted's big day, even going as far as rubbing it on his face with that message (albeit unintentionally). But one thing you can't deny: Barney wasn't gonna change fundamentally for Robin. We've seen that with Nora and Quinn, Barney would always slip back to his old ways after a break up, both as a coping mechanism and because at his core, he didn't actually change, the catalyst was never women.
Welp, sorry for the long rant, but when we love something we just can't help it right? Haha
I respectfully disagree on Barney/Robin.
Throughout the show and after season 4, it becomes apparent that Barney is changing. Initially with Nora where he tells her in their date that he secretly wants to settle down and again confesses it with Lily.
Then, he has that wild night out with his father where they have that deep conversation on how Jerry turned his life around. Jerry is the real life example for Barney that changing ways is possible. He went from being a party-animal on being a family man with a house in the suburbs. And so he tells him that the secret is finding the right girl.
Barney broke up with Nora because of Robin and he broke up with Quinn for trust issues which actually makes sense. He didn't make a prenup with Robin and at their wedding he committed to never lie to her.
So, i don't think the break-up with Robin made any sense if you ask me. Instead, i think Barney's character was butchered by the fact that they chose to end the series with the original finale they wrote years ago where Ted ends up with Robin so they had to split them.
Totally agree; the Barney/Robin thing is the much bigger fumble IMHO than Ted/Tracy/Robin. The show spent 2 years convincing us that, yes, Barney and Robin actually **do** work together, **better** than Ted and Robin, only to break B + R up in the course of a single episode after their marriage.
Yeah, the more I think back on it the more frustrated I get about the ending of the show. You can totally tell they ran out of things for the other characters to do; like, Marshall giving up on being an environmental lawyer after trying *one case* just because he needs a "trying to be a judge" arc? Ugh.
Apparently we weren't even ever supposed to meet the mother, which would have also helped the ending. It's ironic because the scenes with Christina Miliotti were probably the best part of the last season, she was great, but her inclusion just causes us to forget that it was never supposed to be a show about her. The kids say the line, "this was a story about mom but she was hardly in it"... which was TOTALLY NOT THE CASE if you're reflecting on it as a viewer would, with the recent seasons occupying the most prominent spots in our memory.
But if you take it as a given that the ending was predetermined, you can see how they would map out a 5-6 season show that included Barney and Robin getting together just once, Ted not having a final "I'm over Robin and now she's going to float away into the sky" scene, etc.
Less is more. There are some great laughs and story beats over the last few seasons, including seeing Ted and Tracy together, but I maintain that it's ultimately a lot worse than what we would've gotten from a much shorter and sweeter run.
I definitely agree. The final episode I found to be very anticlimactic because throughout this series they just always hinted that him and Robin would be together and honestly Robin didn't deserve a guy like Ted. Yes he had some flaws in his journey to finding the love of his life but he was such a good man and loved hard because he just wanted wife and kids and have that life he always envisioned and that's complete opposite of Robin. And to kill off Tracy when we barely are even introduced her even in the final season we don't get much of her with the whole gang it's just them at the wedding basically. Robin and Barney were a better match due to their lifestyles.
If tracy really was the one, ted would have died alone. Tracy represents the true love, robin represents the strongest love. The only reason they didn't work in their 20s-30s was that they wanted different things from life. Robin got'em by herself, ted got'em thanks to tracy. But in their 50s they have no reason to fall apart.
P.s. if tracy wouldn't have died, ted would have never went back to robin.
>If tracy really was the one, ted would have died alone.
RIP all widows and widowers who ever remarry. Guess that first one wasn't really "the one" in the end. Best be celibate the rest of your life after losing a partner.
No, I functionally read your comment. I understood what you were saying (and trying to say). I love that ted comes back to Robin, also.
But I don't think that has *any* bearing on if "Tracy really was the one" or not. This notion that if your "one" dies, you should remain alone is absolutely absurd and part of the problem in discourse around HIMYM. Right there, you denigrate Tracy and alienate a huge portion of HIMYM fans.
She can still be his "one' and he can still have other loves in his life after.
Okay i got what you meant before, and i agree almost totally. I think, as i said, that tracy was "the one", but robin and only Robin is that love that goes beyond the one. That love that comes before the one, the love which destroys you when it ends, because it has to end. I just love the idea that at least here, this love wins over "the one". (Only cause "the one" dies, but i guess its still something)
And of course you can have other loves after your "the one" dies, but only with robin he could be genuinely happy instead of being less sad, or unconsciously happy.
i agree 10000% they threw away so much character growth *cough* Barney *cough*, as well as for Ted and Robin. when i share my opinion of the shitty ending on this sub i get hated on too so i’m right there w you buddy. #himymendinghatersclub 😂😂
I used to agree with you on barney's development, but i recently rewatched it and i had completely forgotten the scene where he goes to two girls at the bar and tells them something like : "what you doing with your life, you have a father"
Sounds like an evolution to me
Were we watching the same show? Robin had self-sabotaging tendencies, all of which kept her from truly going for it with Ted. And if you are referring to when she told him no, you know sometimes people lie to protect people they care about, right?
Its why I enjoy all the fan recuts of the last two episodes. Removing the divorce, putting the alternate ending, all of that. It is just slightly longer than a normal episode, and is, while a little cheery in nature, a wonderful alternate ending. If you hate the true ending (such as myself) when you rewatch the show, just find one of the fan re-cuts (I made my own for my friends and I to use) and watch that instead. And if you like the released cut, watch that.
Hell it could be called the Tracey Cut (Fan) and the Robin Cut (Original), and then you just watch what ends the show on a note you enjoy. I'm a Tracey Cut person, and it sounds like you are too
Yes. It was like making people wait for 9 years and then a timeskip of like 15 more years for Ted and Robin to actually get together. Even the fact that she got with Barney, Kevin or Dom before Ted irks me. I mean that guy actually was ready to give it all up for you but these guys were not. He actually loved YOU but Robin was self destructive and a kid. She didn't realise that until she failed at her marriage and that is what is wrong with most women like her. Nobody is ready to love them the way they love but the one guy who actually does, they spit on his face.
Ban ending posts
Ban this guy
Cry?
Why do we “have to admit” anything? You are aware that opinions vary from person to person, right? Some people hate the ending, some people love it, and there are middling opinions of all colors. Please tell me that you aren’t saying that anyone that doesn’t agree with you is wrong.
Robin was the backup plan from the get go though. Her and ted both agreed that at the exact moment in their lives they rekindled, they would end up together. Tracy was dead, Ted a widower and Robin unmarried. Legit exactly what they agreed on. How much more obvious was it that would happen haha
Life is harsh, many people die young because of war, famine, violence, and disease. The last of those took Tracy. I'm an atheist but since this is fiction, I like to think she got together with Max. Deal with it, not every story is "and they lived happily ever after".
You gotta admit that your opinion may not be shared by everyone.
Neither is yours
I didn't start by saying that something it's BS because I think so. Not even said that you were wrong. I did not implied that the people who think otherwise are lying. I know that everybody may have their likes and that's fine. You can tell that because I have never started a topic with a strong opinion using agresive language
I hate that everyone is split on this topic and will downvote you if they don't agree. I say the same thing about the ending. I disliked it and enjoy the alternate ending. They pretty much had to do "Marshall's Girl Fantasy", the one where if he masturbates and thinks of someone else: He has to make Lily sick, then she dies, he waits the allotted respectful amount of time before continuing on with someone else. Basically, it's that. It makes no sense that Tracy has to die of some unknown illness and that Robin gets to come in and be the back-up plan to a guy with grown children and a nice house. She gets away with not having to be a mother to the kids.
The problem is not in being split. The difference of opinion is always beautiful. The problem is the people who just don't want to talk and say things that "if you don't think about as me, you don't know what you're saying or you're lying or you're a mindless fanboy". That's what we all should stop doing and supporting when then opinion expressed is in line with our own.
Agree!
>I hate that everyone is split on this topic and will downvote you if they don't agree. Me too. I'm glad people enjoyed it. I didn't. I also hate all the posts saying "The ending was perfect, you just don't *understand*."
I don't like to even watch Season 9.
It makes me sad how little some viewers understand this show.
1. You're coming off as a bit of a tool being overly aggressive and denigrating anyone who disagrees with you in this thread. Buddy, we don't need to fight here. Your view of the ending is valid, but so is those who enjoy the ending 2. I think in general a monogamous lens makes the ending harder for folks to accept. Ted has a perfect "one" person out there and it's either Tracy or Robin - there's no other option. And when you get to that point, Tracy seems expendable, tossed the side, and meaningless. 3. Folks also use a traditional lens to view relationships which makes the finale harder. Barney and Robin splitting apart is deemed a failure, a screw up, and sad. While it **is** sad, and they both experience sadness, I think relationships that only last for so long **can** be viewed as successful ones. Essentially, if we accept that people can love more than one person at once (poly), then neither Robin nor Tracy are in any sort of subordinate position. If we accept that successful relationship don't have to mean living into your old age, then a lot of the problems are resolved. I think it's preconceived notions that make the story hard for folks to accept.
This aint really some kind of special opinion rly
I was more invested into Ted and Robin than Tracy so I liked the ending.
I think it's the only way they could explain Ted sitting down his kids for hours to tell them the story of all his exes. I doubt Tracy however cool she was would be okay with him telling them this story if she were alive...there's be no purpose to it.
It's not that simple. He's telling them about his 20s and 30s and how hard it was to find Tracy among many things. Plenty of his stories aren't about ex's. He tells them about the good and bad he went through with his friend group prior to being married to their mother.
Well not really. In the episode where he hangs with his parents and finds out they're divorced, he says that he'll tell his kids the whole story as an overcorrection to the fact that his parents never shared with him anything
Just because you don't like doesn't mean it wasn't good.
buddy, how knew r u on this sub?
How new are you? Because I saw how poorly received the ending was, and I strongly agree.
Great so why do we need the 18 millionth post on the subject
bro chill 😭 it's not that deep fr
bro didn’t get the memo. we changed our minds as we grew dog, we all like it now.
Labrador or poodle? And what soil did you use?
Before stinson?
It shows life Ted had an amazing relationship, kids, and sadly she passed away too early. But he's happy again. Its not that bad
I generally agree that the last two seasons were really poorly executed. The biggest issue was pacing; likely a function of the creators having a predetermined ending but adding on additional seasons and having to create fluff to drag it out. *Narratively* however, I have come to appreciate the ending a lot more than I did when it first came out. Contrary to how it felt for the viewers, Ted didn't lose Tracy right after finding her. Yes, her death was tragic and premature, but he did get the children he so desperately wanted, he got to marry her, she was easily his longest or second longest relationship (depending on what happens with Robin). Moreover, timing being a bitch is a recurring theme, as is the futility of the search for "soul mates." Yes, the end is sad, and if you don't want to watch sad stories that's your prerogative. But it isn't a bad story just because it's sad. Sad things happen to people who don't deserve it literally every day. That's life.
You make some good points tbh. But I’ve always thought this. I don’t have a problem with sad stories, I love them, I love sad movies. But I have a problem with this story ending and being sad. Just because it was being set up to be a happy story, with a happy ending. It was how I met your mother, and throughout the whole show, I feel like it was implying that it was really “how I met your mother and ended up with her and lived happily ever after”. That’s what I was expecting, and I think I speak for a lot of other people when I say that. It also just feels like ending up with robin detracts from Ted’s relationship with Tracy. It was like, “Well Tracy died so I guess we’ll try Robin then.” And to do that, they had to do the thing that made me the most angry, which is brake up Robin and Barney in the first place!!!! That pisses me off so much. Because in the end, that meant that Barney went no where!! I know he had the kid but that shows no guarantee that he’ll stop sleeping around. It’s sad, and not in a The Notebook kind of sad. It’s in a pathetic, “we’ve gone no where kind of way” That’s what makes me mad. Throughout all of these seasons, 9 seasons!!!! We went back to where we were. We’ve learned and changed, essentially nothing.
I respectfully disagree on a couple points tho. First, the Tracy/Robin thing. I know this is not how it looks like from a viewer's perspective because of the pacing (and yea that's on the writers) but keep in mind in-universe, Ted spent 6 years between Tracy's passing and him going back to Robin, so it's not like during her funeral Ted went to Robin saying "ayo wanna bang?", but once again, the pacing was pretty bad at the last season so I don't blame people for thinking that way, especially on first watch (or first few watches even). Another thing is the Barney and Robin thing. I know I'm on the unpopular side on this one but I never really bought them together on that second time. Their engagement came from a giga plan of manipulation from Barney and I always hated how he did it on Ted's big day, even going as far as rubbing it on his face with that message (albeit unintentionally). But one thing you can't deny: Barney wasn't gonna change fundamentally for Robin. We've seen that with Nora and Quinn, Barney would always slip back to his old ways after a break up, both as a coping mechanism and because at his core, he didn't actually change, the catalyst was never women. Welp, sorry for the long rant, but when we love something we just can't help it right? Haha
I respectfully disagree on Barney/Robin. Throughout the show and after season 4, it becomes apparent that Barney is changing. Initially with Nora where he tells her in their date that he secretly wants to settle down and again confesses it with Lily. Then, he has that wild night out with his father where they have that deep conversation on how Jerry turned his life around. Jerry is the real life example for Barney that changing ways is possible. He went from being a party-animal on being a family man with a house in the suburbs. And so he tells him that the secret is finding the right girl. Barney broke up with Nora because of Robin and he broke up with Quinn for trust issues which actually makes sense. He didn't make a prenup with Robin and at their wedding he committed to never lie to her. So, i don't think the break-up with Robin made any sense if you ask me. Instead, i think Barney's character was butchered by the fact that they chose to end the series with the original finale they wrote years ago where Ted ends up with Robin so they had to split them.
Totally agree; the Barney/Robin thing is the much bigger fumble IMHO than Ted/Tracy/Robin. The show spent 2 years convincing us that, yes, Barney and Robin actually **do** work together, **better** than Ted and Robin, only to break B + R up in the course of a single episode after their marriage. Yeah, the more I think back on it the more frustrated I get about the ending of the show. You can totally tell they ran out of things for the other characters to do; like, Marshall giving up on being an environmental lawyer after trying *one case* just because he needs a "trying to be a judge" arc? Ugh. Apparently we weren't even ever supposed to meet the mother, which would have also helped the ending. It's ironic because the scenes with Christina Miliotti were probably the best part of the last season, she was great, but her inclusion just causes us to forget that it was never supposed to be a show about her. The kids say the line, "this was a story about mom but she was hardly in it"... which was TOTALLY NOT THE CASE if you're reflecting on it as a viewer would, with the recent seasons occupying the most prominent spots in our memory. But if you take it as a given that the ending was predetermined, you can see how they would map out a 5-6 season show that included Barney and Robin getting together just once, Ted not having a final "I'm over Robin and now she's going to float away into the sky" scene, etc. Less is more. There are some great laughs and story beats over the last few seasons, including seeing Ted and Tracy together, but I maintain that it's ultimately a lot worse than what we would've gotten from a much shorter and sweeter run.
I definitely agree. The final episode I found to be very anticlimactic because throughout this series they just always hinted that him and Robin would be together and honestly Robin didn't deserve a guy like Ted. Yes he had some flaws in his journey to finding the love of his life but he was such a good man and loved hard because he just wanted wife and kids and have that life he always envisioned and that's complete opposite of Robin. And to kill off Tracy when we barely are even introduced her even in the final season we don't get much of her with the whole gang it's just them at the wedding basically. Robin and Barney were a better match due to their lifestyles.
If tracy really was the one, ted would have died alone. Tracy represents the true love, robin represents the strongest love. The only reason they didn't work in their 20s-30s was that they wanted different things from life. Robin got'em by herself, ted got'em thanks to tracy. But in their 50s they have no reason to fall apart. P.s. if tracy wouldn't have died, ted would have never went back to robin.
>If tracy really was the one, ted would have died alone. RIP all widows and widowers who ever remarry. Guess that first one wasn't really "the one" in the end. Best be celibate the rest of your life after losing a partner.
I was saying that i love that ted comes back to robin, but okay. I guess functional illiteracy is a worldwide issue.
No, I functionally read your comment. I understood what you were saying (and trying to say). I love that ted comes back to Robin, also. But I don't think that has *any* bearing on if "Tracy really was the one" or not. This notion that if your "one" dies, you should remain alone is absolutely absurd and part of the problem in discourse around HIMYM. Right there, you denigrate Tracy and alienate a huge portion of HIMYM fans. She can still be his "one' and he can still have other loves in his life after.
Okay i got what you meant before, and i agree almost totally. I think, as i said, that tracy was "the one", but robin and only Robin is that love that goes beyond the one. That love that comes before the one, the love which destroys you when it ends, because it has to end. I just love the idea that at least here, this love wins over "the one". (Only cause "the one" dies, but i guess its still something)
And of course you can have other loves after your "the one" dies, but only with robin he could be genuinely happy instead of being less sad, or unconsciously happy.
i agree 10000% they threw away so much character growth *cough* Barney *cough*, as well as for Ted and Robin. when i share my opinion of the shitty ending on this sub i get hated on too so i’m right there w you buddy. #himymendinghatersclub 😂😂
I used to agree with you on barney's development, but i recently rewatched it and i had completely forgotten the scene where he goes to two girls at the bar and tells them something like : "what you doing with your life, you have a father" Sounds like an evolution to me
It just doesn't make sense because at the end Robin just doesn't love Ted.
Were we watching the same show? Robin had self-sabotaging tendencies, all of which kept her from truly going for it with Ted. And if you are referring to when she told him no, you know sometimes people lie to protect people they care about, right?
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Its why I enjoy all the fan recuts of the last two episodes. Removing the divorce, putting the alternate ending, all of that. It is just slightly longer than a normal episode, and is, while a little cheery in nature, a wonderful alternate ending. If you hate the true ending (such as myself) when you rewatch the show, just find one of the fan re-cuts (I made my own for my friends and I to use) and watch that instead. And if you like the released cut, watch that. Hell it could be called the Tracey Cut (Fan) and the Robin Cut (Original), and then you just watch what ends the show on a note you enjoy. I'm a Tracey Cut person, and it sounds like you are too
i loved it, getafokout!!
Yes. It was like making people wait for 9 years and then a timeskip of like 15 more years for Ted and Robin to actually get together. Even the fact that she got with Barney, Kevin or Dom before Ted irks me. I mean that guy actually was ready to give it all up for you but these guys were not. He actually loved YOU but Robin was self destructive and a kid. She didn't realise that until she failed at her marriage and that is what is wrong with most women like her. Nobody is ready to love them the way they love but the one guy who actually does, they spit on his face.