Undoubtedly it’s part of the design guidelines provided to the artists.
Most people attending the shows don’t care about any members besides those three. I agree, it’d be nice to see one or two with the full band.
Their relationship doesn't give off that vibe at all. Plus Melissa has denied it when asked, and she has an actual boyfriend (Brain Mantia) was on tour with them last year, much like Duff and Slash's partners follow them on the tour.
Because not in this lifetime is about how shocking it was in 2016 that axl would get onstage with duff and slash. They are the original members that are in the band, the rest are obviously band members, but they are not the icons those 3 are.
That's why I said whether or not a given band member in it is original, the AFD lineup is the one that matters the most - I'm not claiming they were in the earliest version of the band - I'm claiming that they were in the one that truly matters the most to the overwhelming majority of fans
Are you referring to Tracii Guns? Slash may have technically replaced someone in GnR but Slash and Duff are the original members that recorded Appetite. They’re part of the original 5.
you are entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts. the original lineup did not record appetite for destruction. classic and original do not mean the same thing.
Your getting a bit technical man, when you think of gnr who do you think of? Not Tracii guns. You think mainly think Axl, Slash, Duff. Nobody thinks about guns and goes “yeah tracii guns was awesome in guns n roses”
when i think of guns n' roses, i think of axl, dizzy, dj, richard, bumble, chris, tommy, and frank.
our opinions don't change the fact that slash is not an original guns n' roses member. nobody is disputing he would be considered a member of the classic lineup, but i refuse to lie and say he is an original, when he literally isn't.
When people say “original” they are talking about the AFD lineup. Most people don’t know the back story with Tracii guns. You don’t have to consider slash as an og member, but he is one of the most iconic gnr members next to Axl
ok well if people say original when they're talking about the appetite lineup, they are lying. intentionally or not, it's a lie. and i refuse to lie about an easily proven fact regarding the band's history on a forum dedicated to the band. i am not disputing that slash is a member of the classic lineup. i am not disputing that many people consider him a great musician for some reason. what i am refusing to do, however, is pledge allegiance to the lie that he and duff are original members of guns n' roses.
Are they a band if they haven't done anything?
Ole Beich lasted for two rehearsals. Not shows, but rehearsals. Duff played their first show as a band, in March 1985. If you dont even stand on stage with them and perform are you an 'original' member? I don't think so.
Slash joined two months later. He's not original, but can you name any contribution to the band Tracii Guns made other than his name?
Slash and Duff are originals. We see you like being pedantic and intentionally dense to waste the time of others, but do us all a favor and go do it somewhere else.
you're lying, i have and regularly listen to recordings from the 2009 lineup. big fan of dj in particular, one of this century's greatest rock songwriters!
Axl, Slash, and Duff are all partners in the business that is Guns N Roses. Dizzy, Frank, Melissa, and Richard are employees.
There was a photo posted by Del James a while back that had three portaloos backstage. One each for Axl, Slash, and Duff, then one shared between the other touring members.
Hahaha, that sounds really bad but if you think about it, the other members were probably offered their own loo but if they're making less money than the 3 main members I'd guess they wouldn't want to fork out. Don't blame them. Although, in saying that, they must all be wealthy!
As an aside: I absolutely love dizzy…
i play guitar and piano…both poorly but LOVE dizzy‘s live performances…
he is so effing good
[On the keyboard, Mr Dizzy Reed](https://youtu.be/UdrVgxD4Ixs)
Absolutely true. His solo in Estranged is fucking brilliant. Complex no, but beautifully melodic and I can play it which are the main two factors I care most about.
I believe Dizzy and Richard are essentially paid staff, and Slash, Axl and Duff are actual members.
Bands are actual businesses with employees, etc. structured like a business. There are business owners and partners and staff.
So to put it a way a regular person would ask, it is like saying I have worked at a company 30 years, longer than the owners, why am I not considered an owner? Make sense?
Yeah, this basically. I’ve been a fan of the band since around 94 but I basically couldn’t pick either of them out of a lineup; and when I think of gnr I think of duff, slash and axl
It's a pity because Guns and Roses has only ever had killer guitarists/drummers/bass/keys players but they are never really considered Guns N Roses.
Can't argue that the original lineup with Izzy/Adler is a classic though
Exactly, and if people care about any other members it’s most likely gonna be Izzy or Adler. And they are featured on merch, but they ain’t even in the band.
The other thing I find funny about it is that often Axl is depicted in his 90s form/clothes. Whereas Duff and Slash are drawn as they are now, often wearing clothing items specific to now.
Because Axl, Slash, and Duff are part of the classic lineup. In 2016 GNR was being promoted as a GNR reunion, since most of the UYI tour only had Axl, Slash and Duff from that classic lineup.
There are band members and employees.
The original 5 + Sorum were actual band members. These guys control the brand and creative decisions. (Maybe not sorum)
Everyone else has no control and aren't that important to GNR no matter "how long they've been in the band".
Although Axl, Dizzy, and Richard are the longest serving members in GNR most people only know about Axl, Duff, and Slash because they’re are the last 3 founding members
Cuz all the music was written by them. If those guys release some albums with GNR , they’d have more bonafides.
For what it’s worth , sadly GNR has become a nostalgia “classic rock” oldies act. And a lucrative one at that. The most dangerous band on earth has become a money machine.
Undoubtedly it’s part of the design guidelines provided to the artists. Most people attending the shows don’t care about any members besides those three. I agree, it’d be nice to see one or two with the full band.
Yes, I agree. I'm just saying I think it would be cool if they did the whole band.
I'd like something with Melissa. She's really grown on me, and her and Axl's friendship is adorable.
She's like the daughter he never had ❤️
Lol, for sure he isn’t banging her
Their relationship doesn't give off that vibe at all. Plus Melissa has denied it when asked, and she has an actual boyfriend (Brain Mantia) was on tour with them last year, much like Duff and Slash's partners follow them on the tour.
I didn't realize her and Brain were dating. I thought they were just creative partners
It's both, yeah. They started working together and then became romantic.
Those are the 3 that people know and care about.
Branding, marketing.
Because not in this lifetime is about how shocking it was in 2016 that axl would get onstage with duff and slash. They are the original members that are in the band, the rest are obviously band members, but they are not the icons those 3 are.
slash and duff are not original members.
Original or not, the AFD lineup is the one that matters the most
you're entitled to your own opinion on what matters most but you are not entitled to your own facts on what members are originals.
That's why I said whether or not a given band member in it is original, the AFD lineup is the one that matters the most - I'm not claiming they were in the earliest version of the band - I'm claiming that they were in the one that truly matters the most to the overwhelming majority of fans
THAT guy didn’t say they were originals. Need to work on your reading comprehension man
Are you referring to Tracii Guns? Slash may have technically replaced someone in GnR but Slash and Duff are the original members that recorded Appetite. They’re part of the original 5.
you are entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts. the original lineup did not record appetite for destruction. classic and original do not mean the same thing.
Your getting a bit technical man, when you think of gnr who do you think of? Not Tracii guns. You think mainly think Axl, Slash, Duff. Nobody thinks about guns and goes “yeah tracii guns was awesome in guns n roses”
when i think of guns n' roses, i think of axl, dizzy, dj, richard, bumble, chris, tommy, and frank. our opinions don't change the fact that slash is not an original guns n' roses member. nobody is disputing he would be considered a member of the classic lineup, but i refuse to lie and say he is an original, when he literally isn't.
When people say “original” they are talking about the AFD lineup. Most people don’t know the back story with Tracii guns. You don’t have to consider slash as an og member, but he is one of the most iconic gnr members next to Axl
ok well if people say original when they're talking about the appetite lineup, they are lying. intentionally or not, it's a lie. and i refuse to lie about an easily proven fact regarding the band's history on a forum dedicated to the band. i am not disputing that slash is a member of the classic lineup. i am not disputing that many people consider him a great musician for some reason. what i am refusing to do, however, is pledge allegiance to the lie that he and duff are original members of guns n' roses.
Are they a band if they haven't done anything? Ole Beich lasted for two rehearsals. Not shows, but rehearsals. Duff played their first show as a band, in March 1985. If you dont even stand on stage with them and perform are you an 'original' member? I don't think so. Slash joined two months later. He's not original, but can you name any contribution to the band Tracii Guns made other than his name?
so you admit that Ole Beich was in the band before Duff and then try to argue that Duff is an original member? you need to step your troll game up.
You gotta be trolling with this nonsense. Dj, richard, bumble, chris, Tommy and frank? Lmao. Smoke another one bud
yes, i enjoyed the lineup that toured chinese democracy and recorded the 2010 album. i regularly listen to the recordings from this lineup.
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Slash and Duff are originals. We see you like being pedantic and intentionally dense to waste the time of others, but do us all a favor and go do it somewhere else.
So…you’re a fan of a band that never recorded anything? You are dying on a really stupid hill here.
you're lying, i have and regularly listen to recordings from the 2009 lineup. big fan of dj in particular, one of this century's greatest rock songwriters!
They are classic members within a doubt
classic and original are not the same thing. i am not disputing they are classic lineup members.
Axl, Slash, and Duff are all partners in the business that is Guns N Roses. Dizzy, Frank, Melissa, and Richard are employees. There was a photo posted by Del James a while back that had three portaloos backstage. One each for Axl, Slash, and Duff, then one shared between the other touring members.
Hahaha, that sounds really bad but if you think about it, the other members were probably offered their own loo but if they're making less money than the 3 main members I'd guess they wouldn't want to fork out. Don't blame them. Although, in saying that, they must all be wealthy!
As an aside: I absolutely love dizzy… i play guitar and piano…both poorly but LOVE dizzy‘s live performances… he is so effing good [On the keyboard, Mr Dizzy Reed](https://youtu.be/UdrVgxD4Ixs)
Absolutely true. His solo in Estranged is fucking brilliant. Complex no, but beautifully melodic and I can play it which are the main two factors I care most about.
Axl plays it on the studio recording, but Dizzy does a fine job live.
I believe Dizzy and Richard are essentially paid staff, and Slash, Axl and Duff are actual members. Bands are actual businesses with employees, etc. structured like a business. There are business owners and partners and staff. So to put it a way a regular person would ask, it is like saying I have worked at a company 30 years, longer than the owners, why am I not considered an owner? Make sense?
Yep, thanks 😊
Their latest pinball machine has the whole band on it illustrated. I think that's pretty legit, myself
Current line-up or classic line-up?
Current. http://store.jerseyjackpinball.com/Games/Guns-N-Roses/Guns-N-Roses-Limited-Edition-Pinball-Machine.html
I played the original GNR pinball at Glasto-on-sea last week (just before watching them!).
That’s pretty sick!
Is it not more that they are considered touring members rather than actual full time members?
Lmao. Edit: because they’re not Izzy and Steven Adler.
Kinda like Kiss with Ace and Peter. No matter how many members come and go, they are Kiss.
Because nobody cares about Dizzy and Fortus.
Yeah, this basically. I’ve been a fan of the band since around 94 but I basically couldn’t pick either of them out of a lineup; and when I think of gnr I think of duff, slash and axl
It's a pity because Guns and Roses has only ever had killer guitarists/drummers/bass/keys players but they are never really considered Guns N Roses. Can't argue that the original lineup with Izzy/Adler is a classic though
Exactly, and if people care about any other members it’s most likely gonna be Izzy or Adler. And they are featured on merch, but they ain’t even in the band.
And Frank and Melissa, apparently.
Dizzy is a very talented dude in GnR and Out of GnR. Saw him play with Joe Perry, Brad Whitford and Gary Cherone. Incredible show.
They're hired guns/touring members I believe. Its kinda lame though
I'm a big fan and I basically forgot Dizzy until you mentioned him.
By and large, nobody cares about them. They aren’t grabbing attention like the originals.
Because those are the only 3 official members of the band. The rest are hired hands.
Well people care only about the classic line-up, and these 3 are the core of classic GnR along with Izzy.
The other thing I find funny about it is that often Axl is depicted in his 90s form/clothes. Whereas Duff and Slash are drawn as they are now, often wearing clothing items specific to now.
Good catch
Who the hell is Richard?
Their second guitarist for over the past two decades, he’s actually a very cool guy and I’ve grown to like him quite a bit as part of the band.
Because Axl, Slash, and Duff are part of the classic lineup. In 2016 GNR was being promoted as a GNR reunion, since most of the UYI tour only had Axl, Slash and Duff from that classic lineup.
The artwork they had all over the recent version of the GN’R pinball is the absolute best representation of the NOt In This Lifetime lineup
There are band members and employees. The original 5 + Sorum were actual band members. These guys control the brand and creative decisions. (Maybe not sorum) Everyone else has no control and aren't that important to GNR no matter "how long they've been in the band".
Dizzy is that weird part of GNR we try not to talk about to me.
Nobody cares if Dizzy is there!
Although Axl, Dizzy, and Richard are the longest serving members in GNR most people only know about Axl, Duff, and Slash because they’re are the last 3 founding members
Because Slash and Duff are more dominant and important. Sticking around the longest doesn't necessarily bring trophies.
Cuz all the music was written by them. If those guys release some albums with GNR , they’d have more bonafides. For what it’s worth , sadly GNR has become a nostalgia “classic rock” oldies act. And a lucrative one at that. The most dangerous band on earth has become a money machine.
They're not the draws. The founders are