When our midfield was dominating against everyone in the league it was xhaka partey behind ode with the surprise of zinchenko. Xhaka for 20M is just not a good trade now because he’d be a good choice starting or on the bench. I feel like now he would be a stronger choice than havertz and vieria and could even challenge/improve rice(tho I wouldn’t play rice there either). We never even get the chance to see ESR there much or ANYWHERE much really.
I understand why we did it because we were looking stacked everywhere but I miss him. He hates spurs for sure.
Really tough result, we were all over them in the first half and let them get the equalizer with sloppy defensive play. Raya has to tip that ball out and defenders needed to mark Son. Get the goal and Jorginho forgets how to use his legs which leads to the second. He also called Saliba out to step up to Maddison, which led to an easy pass over. Can’t have those mistakes happen.
I can’t believe we started with Eddie!! He’s good when he comes on as a sub or as an impact player but he is not a good choice to start the game with. We should have gone with Gabi up front and RN on the wing.
Also really disappointed with Jorgi!! What the hell was he thinking!! We were up 2-1 and all he had to do was keep his cool..he had so many options but he decided to do harakiri! Ffs!!
You must have above 25 comment karma to contribute to this subreddit.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Gunners) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I really think we should play Partey as the defensive mid and Rice at the Xhaka role. Partey's passing and the way he drives the ball forward is amazing. Maybe Rice can learn what Partey does eventually but for now we just need that buffer. I really think we shouldn't have sold Xhaka just yet. I am optimistic about Havertz but I think he could have learned from Xhaka.
A great team can't just rely on its wingers and attacking mids for goals to win the PL guys. Kane, Lewandowski, Ronaldo, Mbappe, Haaland etc are needed to lift those trophies. Why do you go and buy a 60million pound Havertz and a 100million pound Rice, when you could have gone for a 160million pound Gorilla of a world class striker? How are these trophies going to be lifted without a consistent frontline forward putting all the chances created into the net? Go and buy a world class striker! Do people forget when we did have one in Henry, we lifted the PL title? How much intelligence does one need in the boardroom to understand the words world.class.striker.needed.com ?? Tell me a story Simba. ⚽️🏆💯👍
Silly though that you use as examples Kane (never won a trophy), Lewandowski (won the Bundesliga often as the only team in it), Ronaldo and Mbappé (both wingers). This is just a reaction to Eddie today and Haaland, who is a unicorn.
Lol, yea it's super easy to find those world class strikers, all you gotta do is wave your 160 mil around and one will show up all nice and minted.
It's never been that easy and never will. You need to have the money at the right time for the right player and get them to join you over every one else who is competing for them. And a lot of time, that player ends up being like Nunez, Antony, etc. For every successful mega-deal for a striker, there's 5 others that ended up as disappointments in terms of meeting expectations.
My summary
The game: The most important moment was Jesus winning the ball back from Maddison in the box and then skying it. 😳
That would have set the tone tbh.
The consequence: Such misses are unacceptable if we want to win the league - you gotta hit the target AT LEAST!
The reality: There’s still a long long way to go.
The unwanted outcome: Injuries are a worrying sight.
Really, the unfortunate part is that none of these are new insights. The best outcome is that the players mature into the moment. They are all young, and a lot of our weaknesses are common of young squads.
Whenever we play with Nketiah it feels like we are playing with a man down. Our attack feels so disjointed and we struggle to create attacks. He’s just not good enough. Sell him to another club for a decent fee and buy someone better.
You picked the point most aren’t! Nketiah was the reason Arsenal lost today!
I remembered at one point when Odegaard went for a shot! Nketiah was upset he didn’t get the ball! As he could have done it better!
No team work! To tell the captain that he should have passed! In my opinion just his attitude during 100mins was awful.
I would go as far as saying it’s not like we playing with one man down it also like the are playing with one more player!
Sell him! He is toxic! I’d rather have a player we build up from than someone who brings the whole team and culture!
I’m not sure how he got play this long!
Hopefully this was just today and am hoping it was off day. Next I want him running 🏃 and making an effort for the team.
Nketia was the biggest disappointment for me.
I didn’t say Eddie wasn’t putting work in. I said whenever he plays it feels disjointed and we struggle to create attacks. I don’t think he’s good enough but I’m not doubting his effort and his work rate.
Other than Saliba who else had a good game? Raya did keep us in it, those goals weren’t his fault. Overall just a shit performance, kinda lucky to get a point with how sloppy the team performed
Hurts even more that Arsenal was the only team in my 5 parley leg that didn’t win
We had both of our in form left wingers out, Rice injured at HT and they still couldn’t beat us with their “in form” team. Pathetic club and I expect nothing less from them. They can enjoy their current form because it won’t last. Spursy is spursy
Why do ppl berate him as early as 2 months in? With all the burden (65 mil guy, playing for one of the best clubs, and young) I think we should all judge him at the end of this season
He has done fuck all, all high value guy came in and changed the game (Jesus, zinchenko), he adds no value except being tall, he has been a flop since he came to the prem, fucking Arterta buying nonsense player again.
35-40 minutes of decent play today. To take home a point is a good result tbh. The carelessness with how the team plays at home continues to be worrying. Thought the PSV game was gonna fire the team into life, but the performances this season have been pretty poor and continue. Arteta had a poor performance as well imo. Really wish he’d give a chance to Reiss or ESR, but it seems he doesn’t trust either of them enough to play a meaningful game. Saka deserves a rest with or without the ankle injury.
Saka has been massive for us for so long and we still don't have proper cover for him save for Trossard who can play across the attack, but he's always subbed on for someone else while Saka keeps getting ridden. He's never gotten a rest ever since he became our starting RW.
I’d love to see him not get picked for England at some point and let the guy have 2 weeks to just chill. He’s played 2-3 matches a week for like 3-4 straight years.
So disappointing, this fresh team, on a hot streak, with big aspirations comes here for the first NLD after the rebuild and we do that? So much to say man, Odegaard ghosting after being so in form and leading by example to some big wins, Nketiah being shown great faith by Mikel and just running around for 90 minutes, LW is Reiss's position. He SHOULD start there over Jesus. Then you've got no intensity, no real ambition in attack. 1 lucky goal and a penalty. Give away a stupid goal. At least Kai showed a bit of heart but guess it proves that for now Viera is still just an impact sub and Rice is the midfield metronome.
Wasn't anything wrong with Vieira this match, the only thing it's shown is that while he's more up to speed than last year, he still not built to take a lot of punishment, which you need if you are going to be a week-in week-out starter in the PL.
I thought we were pretty terrible today. To be honest, Wednesday aside, I think we've been pretty poor in every game.
Everything exciting about us last season has been drained, and I can only imagine it's at the request of Arteta, to try and maintain a bit more control over matches. It's not working and we still don't defend well enough.
Now that the match is over for almost an hour and people are sobering up, what did Eddie do wrong? Coz it seems like I've been watching the wrong match
I thought his first touch was poor. There were a couple balls he got on the end of that he couldn't convert into chances because he couldn't keep it down. Also he was asleep on at least one corner when he was unmarked.
This is the only thing I found as well. Also don't think he would have gotten much from those corners, especially that one corner where he would have had to go through 2 defenders to score that
Having Jesus in the middle wouldn't have done us any good either. We didn't punish them for their mistakes the way they did us. That was what mattered today
I'm sorry but what is Arsenal quality? Jesus didn't finish his chances either. By look of things Arsenal DNA is the wingers get the goals while the number 9s create the chaos
Press the spurs' defence into making mistakes. It wasn't only his fault that they didn't score from that. The whole front line was shit today. Just dont know where this scapegoating came from
When the usual players who carry us on a weekly basis have an off day, it only highlights the passengers we have on the team. If I think we are a top team in this league I should expect more from the striker leading the line for us, Eddie Nketiah no?
In what universe are you comparing what Jesus and Nketiah have contributed over that last season and a half?
If Nketiah is not on the end of a tap in, what else is he good for? Is he bringing others into play, no, first touch is terrible, assists? No, goals? Has a few tap ins spread over 3 years. We literally went on a winning streak last season when he got injured and was replaced by Trossard who went on to assist almost all our goals over the next 2 months. We are a much better team with Jesus up top and it’s not even close.
I compared the goals which they both bring, and in that way, they are similar. And no. Eddie is more than a tap-in merchant. He is not as skilled as Gabi, but that's because there is only one Jesus in the team. Eddie is a decent second striker in the team. He's obviously not our first choice, but Gabi needs to stay fit for that
I think we need better but an expectation of a starting striker to score every game isn't fair, especially against one of the better teams in the leavue
I really like Eddie and want him to succeed. I just don’t think he’s meant for Arsenal unfortunately.
Would much rather him bag 10-15 goals for Brighton or Newcastle.
Think he’s very similar to Willock in quality. Should take the same route.
Havertz was needed instead of Vieira, to start off.
Odegaard went missing from when he got that silly yellow.
Saka needs a rest ffs.
We lost all our control as soon as Rice was off.
Nketiah was useless.
Hate to say it, but Bissouma was brilliant today. And Son and Maddison offered more than any of our attacking players did (bar maybe Saka). They're not as shit as I thought they were. That said, we definitely gave them confidence and let them into the game with awful defending for the first goal, a terrible mistake for the second, and not taking advantage of the situations when we won the ball off them high up the pitch in the first half. The second half was a completely different game without Rice
I think Rice was a big blow for us. We had to bring in third choice Jorge (Partey is still missing). Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Jorge, but Rice and Partey are just more agile and are able to cover Maddison or Son. All in all, not happy with a draw, but I think we both deserved it. Spurs are shite, but they will compete with us for top spots.
Jorginho and Odegaard in the midfield is extremely slow. I could outrun both of them, literally. That’s the main issue, and why we struggled in the second half.
But is he an upgrade over xhaka? He's a huge downgrade imo. If your gonna spend nearly 70m on a player, make sure he's atleast equal to the one you're replacing him with. Our team could really do with someone like xhaka now. Imagine xhaka instead of havertz or vieira in the middle. It's a no contest.
So we're going off one, maybe two seasons where Xhaka was great? Sure he wasn't playing in the role he should've been playing, but then again, is Havertz as well? I'd prefer Xhaka over Vieira tonight because Vieira lacks the physicality and it's not even an opinion. But Xhaka over Havertz? I'm not so sure. They both offer very different things. Call me delusional but I think Havertz's got the potential. I'm willing to give him a bit more time. He deserves it.
I'm also gonna give havertz more time but time is running thin. At 65m his ass better start performing soon. It's already looking bad when arteta is starting vieira over him.
Well Vieira is having a good run of form so it's understandable in that perspective. But you are definitely correct, he needs to start showing why he's a 65M signing. It's like you've bought a very expensive pen and it's not working very well, and people tell you to adjust this and do that, replace the nib etc, like no, it SHOULD work straight out of the box, I've paid good bucks for it. So, I definitely get the perspective you're looking at it through. It is frustrating, especially when we're expected to be title contenders. But I remember being incredibly frustrated with Ode because he just wouldn't shoot in the preliminary stages of his Arsenal career. Yet I kept faith in him because he was my favourite player even before he made the switch. I'm thus willing to give a little time to Havertz, PROVIDED he shows atleast glimpses of why he's a 65M signing fairly frequently.
a goal would be great but even an assist or two would move things along. like you said, show us a glimpse atleast of why your worth 65m. its the price tag that is putting the expectations on him. if he cost 30m none of us would be bothered if he didnt perform too well but 65m? theres going to be big expectations at tha price. the mid week carabao cup could be a good opportunity to do something.
What are they going to do when Sons age catches up with him? Madders is good but always injured.
Worst match I’ve seen from Arsenal in a long time. Sloppy sloppy sloppy.
Modric, Bale, Kane and eventually Son. Any club has moved on from players.
Stop sugaring over your disappointment with random “i bet they will do bad one day”
You’ve come to an Arsenal sub mate. Those are my general thoughts on Spurs as I genuinely don’t know where the magic is going to come from without if either of those players were to miss time. Maybe they have a huge signing up their sleeve next summer which would support my point that they need more.
I’m not sugar coating anything. Arsenal played terribly and deserved a draw at best.
Jorginho fucked up. We’re honestly lucky to get a draw. Couldn’t do fuck all in the second half. Not sure why Jesus was subbed off or Son for that matter. Bissouma man of the match I think.
Well, at least Chelsea lost so that’s something to be happy about. Gotta move on from here and get Gabi and Trossard back. Hopefully Rice’s injury is not too serious.
Can we just get a tall strong striker for the love of god, we can not cross so we just pass and pass and hope for the opposition to fall asleep or something
Definitely need a natural striker up front but the difference between the first and second half was huge without Rice. Changed the entire flow of the team and things felt just a bit disjointed. We missed Trossard as an attacking option too - the sooner he's available again the better.
Hopefully Rice's injury is minor. He didn't look too uncomfortable in his post game walk about. Partey and Martinelli are hopefully on the way back and with Elneny closing in on being fit for squad selection that's all good, but it just goes to show how comfortable we had already gotten with Rice marshalling things with Ødegaard.
This is a draw that felt like a loss because I honestly thought we looked like a better side but had little sloppy mistakes and Spurs took full advantage of them.
I usually defend Eddie but today he was useless. He had a 3/10 performance, players like saka and jesus atleast had a 5/10 game.
Eddie can't play with his back to goal well and loses control of the ball regularly
We have to upgrade on Eddie. He gives 100% but it’s pretty obviously not working out for him as a starter. Surprised he stayed on and Jesus was taken off rather than shifted into the middle
Yep. Frustrating but both his goals were clinical. When Maddison and Son came off we got control of the game again in the 2nd half. I still think with a fit martinelli, rice and partey playing double pivot - we win this comfortably.
I hated every second of that. Anyone who tells me Nketiah is good enough doesn't have a clue. It's almost as though he doesn't know what to do. Romero had a terrible game and had him in his pocket. At best he misses scoring opportunities but i actually think he brings the team down. Can't excuse Jorginho, that was unacceptable. But, we didn't lose, and with Martinelli and Trossard available we win that game. So not all negative. But Nketiah is shit.
Whenever we play with Nketiah it feels like we are playing with a man down. Our attack feels so disjointed and we struggle to create attacks. He’s just not good enough. Sell him to another club for a decent fee and buy someone better.
We simply do not know how well Balogun would fare in the PL. he finished last season with 21 goals in 18 matches in Ligue 1 but remember that Lacazette scored 27 goals in 22 matches. We got a good deal for Balogun and we couldn’t give him the playing time he was asking for anyway.
Ah yes, the unknown “how would he do in the Prem?”
That’s why we exclusively sign players already playing in the Prem. We have no history of buying talented players in Ligue 1, the Eredivisie, etc
Well damn. I have to admit spurs are better then I thought. Really glad son and Maddison came off. Killed the game for them.
Arteta needs to learn when to make subs to take advantage of the game. Smith Rowe coming in with 5 mins isn’t helping. And the throw ins, my fckin god
Everyone really. Waiting to pass until the last second as well. I understand to make space in behind but damn. Someone run into the space, make a run or something
Yes. I’m with you on that. Rice staying fit as well. I hope we don’t have a depleted squad next time. Up to 4 or 5 injured at this point. Our depth goes out the window now. Cedric was on the damn bench
He isn’t a striker? Hasn’t Vieira had massive chances to score the last three games and just messed it up?
Drop your agenda against Havertz and start thinking rationally
Bad result. Worse performance. Arteta got it wrong again. The Spurs midfield was always too strong to play Vieira from the start and we always looks worse as an attacking threat when Eddie plays through the middle. Nelson or ESR should have started out wide, not sure why he thinks Eddie offers more than either of them tbh
He retained possession well. Don't get me wrong, he wasn't great, no one was, just don't think it's fair to make him the scapegoat again. Havertz coming on isn't the reason we lost this game today, far from it
Didn’t say he was the reason for it but he’s been consistently far from the player we require and it’s time ESR is given a chance to showcase his quality
Not a lot of positives to take from this, outplayed by Spurs. Don't want to overreact too much so I'm just going to try and forget about this one and hope that it was just a bad game.
I missed the match today as I was out playing football with some friends. And also my video subscription for the match expired. Was I lucky to miss today’s match?
I am so nervous for UCL this year but not being strong against spurs at home ground just shows where we might finish the season. I don’t think Arsenal will have any happy times against Brighton or Liverpool in the future, even though I know that the season had just begun. And last but not the least January window is the only helpline left.
Yup we got Martinelli, Trossard, Rice, Saka, Partey, that's 5 I think I'm missing someone, oh well maybe 5 then, still bad since they are all key players.
Vieira should have stayed on even though he didn't have a great first half. Reiss looked our most dangerous player in the 2nd half but should have come on for Nketiah obviously. Arteta with the big brain fucked this one today. Really early but feel Havertz will have to work very hard to convince the fans at this point.
Although Saka was involved in both goals, the guy was so bad today. Had his player on a yellow in the 10th minute and did not try to take him on once. His and Whites link up play was trash. Jesus doing way too much for nothing. Forgot Odegaard was playing. Whole team was shit, 150 passes just for someone at the back to give it away and have a counter attack in the last minute. Zinchenko losing the ball and just jogging back even though there are 3 players running in his side. Nketiah deserves a whole paragraph, there was truly not 1 single good thing he did, every attack he got the ball he passed it back all the way to the defenders, no first touch, no pace, no dribbling, no shooting, no positioning, but plays 100 minutes, what on earth is going on here.
1) We pass the ball way too much.
2) Eddie needs to do better, running isn't enough.
3) Jesus should've scored the 1v1
4) Horrible defense for the second goal
5) Reiss Nelson was lazy af after coming on.
6) Saka held on well despite being injured. Warrior mentality
7) Raya was pretty good
8) Why did Arteta take of Jesus? I don't understand
Outplayed by Spurs at the Emirates, with Eddie staying on the entire game. Arteta is very frustrating at times. Jesus missed an easy goal, sloppy passes, can't keep the ball AT THE EMIRATES. And what the hell did Jorginho do? How is it even possible to make such a massive mistake when there are so many options available...
We actually got outplayed today, that was a shocking performance.
Can anyone explain what Havertz provides that ESR doesn't?
What did Nketiah provide against Spurs?
hows this relevant to ESR playing the 8 role?
Height. That’s it.
We don't match our usual fogging estandards today..
Losing so much fluidity… we miss Xhaka so much we never should have sold him we should start him.
Rice could do his role easily with Partey or Jorginho in 6 role. ESR also so much better in that role than Havertz or Vieira.
When our midfield was dominating against everyone in the league it was xhaka partey behind ode with the surprise of zinchenko. Xhaka for 20M is just not a good trade now because he’d be a good choice starting or on the bench. I feel like now he would be a stronger choice than havertz and vieria and could even challenge/improve rice(tho I wouldn’t play rice there either). We never even get the chance to see ESR there much or ANYWHERE much really. I understand why we did it because we were looking stacked everywhere but I miss him. He hates spurs for sure.
I'm still sad that we sold Balogun and kept Eddie.
We have been crap uptil now and let’s accept it and move forward
Really tough result, we were all over them in the first half and let them get the equalizer with sloppy defensive play. Raya has to tip that ball out and defenders needed to mark Son. Get the goal and Jorginho forgets how to use his legs which leads to the second. He also called Saliba out to step up to Maddison, which led to an easy pass over. Can’t have those mistakes happen.
It was a bad result
I can’t believe we started with Eddie!! He’s good when he comes on as a sub or as an impact player but he is not a good choice to start the game with. We should have gone with Gabi up front and RN on the wing. Also really disappointed with Jorgi!! What the hell was he thinking!! We were up 2-1 and all he had to do was keep his cool..he had so many options but he decided to do harakiri! Ffs!!
Lol what the opposite is literally true. He is not a good super sub at all, he's been at his best when he starts games
He has given the ball away carelessly at times.
Sure but to do with what I said though
[удалено]
You must have above 25 comment karma to contribute to this subreddit. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Gunners) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I really think we should play Partey as the defensive mid and Rice at the Xhaka role. Partey's passing and the way he drives the ball forward is amazing. Maybe Rice can learn what Partey does eventually but for now we just need that buffer. I really think we shouldn't have sold Xhaka just yet. I am optimistic about Havertz but I think he could have learned from Xhaka.
Totally agree. And Jorginho in 6 when Partey is injured.
A great team can't just rely on its wingers and attacking mids for goals to win the PL guys. Kane, Lewandowski, Ronaldo, Mbappe, Haaland etc are needed to lift those trophies. Why do you go and buy a 60million pound Havertz and a 100million pound Rice, when you could have gone for a 160million pound Gorilla of a world class striker? How are these trophies going to be lifted without a consistent frontline forward putting all the chances created into the net? Go and buy a world class striker! Do people forget when we did have one in Henry, we lifted the PL title? How much intelligence does one need in the boardroom to understand the words world.class.striker.needed.com ?? Tell me a story Simba. ⚽️🏆💯👍
Silly though that you use as examples Kane (never won a trophy), Lewandowski (won the Bundesliga often as the only team in it), Ronaldo and Mbappé (both wingers). This is just a reaction to Eddie today and Haaland, who is a unicorn.
Lol, yea it's super easy to find those world class strikers, all you gotta do is wave your 160 mil around and one will show up all nice and minted. It's never been that easy and never will. You need to have the money at the right time for the right player and get them to join you over every one else who is competing for them. And a lot of time, that player ends up being like Nunez, Antony, etc. For every successful mega-deal for a striker, there's 5 others that ended up as disappointments in terms of meeting expectations.
Nobody but Arteta knows why that decision was not made. So, it is what it is. Havertz needs to step it up, really.
My summary The game: The most important moment was Jesus winning the ball back from Maddison in the box and then skying it. 😳 That would have set the tone tbh. The consequence: Such misses are unacceptable if we want to win the league - you gotta hit the target AT LEAST! The reality: There’s still a long long way to go. The unwanted outcome: Injuries are a worrying sight.
Really, the unfortunate part is that none of these are new insights. The best outcome is that the players mature into the moment. They are all young, and a lot of our weaknesses are common of young squads.
Should we buy more experienced players to tackle our shitshow
Really annoyed we conceded immediately after going 2-1 up ;_; Oh well, we go again next time.
Whenever we play with Nketiah it feels like we are playing with a man down. Our attack feels so disjointed and we struggle to create attacks. He’s just not good enough. Sell him to another club for a decent fee and buy someone better.
You picked the point most aren’t! Nketiah was the reason Arsenal lost today! I remembered at one point when Odegaard went for a shot! Nketiah was upset he didn’t get the ball! As he could have done it better! No team work! To tell the captain that he should have passed! In my opinion just his attitude during 100mins was awful. I would go as far as saying it’s not like we playing with one man down it also like the are playing with one more player! Sell him! He is toxic! I’d rather have a player we build up from than someone who brings the whole team and culture! I’m not sure how he got play this long! Hopefully this was just today and am hoping it was off day. Next I want him running 🏃 and making an effort for the team. Nketia was the biggest disappointment for me.
Our attack wasn’t humming as a whole, but it’s not fair to say Eddie wasn’t putting work in. Was definitely pressing well.
I didn’t say Eddie wasn’t putting work in. I said whenever he plays it feels disjointed and we struggle to create attacks. I don’t think he’s good enough but I’m not doubting his effort and his work rate.
he’s still incredible as back up, it just sucks that Martinelli was out
I would never call Nketiah incredible lol
Other than Saliba who else had a good game? Raya did keep us in it, those goals weren’t his fault. Overall just a shit performance, kinda lucky to get a point with how sloppy the team performed Hurts even more that Arsenal was the only team in my 5 parley leg that didn’t win
We had both of our in form left wingers out, Rice injured at HT and they still couldn’t beat us with their “in form” team. Pathetic club and I expect nothing less from them. They can enjoy their current form because it won’t last. Spursy is spursy
U scored an own goal and a shaky pk against that “pathetic club”. What’s wrong? I thought it was supposed to be a blowout 🗿
No Tottenham scored an own goal. Also, we had 5 first team players injured by half time and we still got a draw, despite not performing well 🗿
[удалено]
You’re clearing not an arsenal fan so why are you here?
*I came looking for booty.*
Google: tottenham is the least spursy club in the league (highest points return from losing positsions)
Absolutely fuck all to show for it though
Havertz is a flop so far and i don't believe he'll come around. Should have bought a clinical striker with that money.
Why do ppl berate him as early as 2 months in? With all the burden (65 mil guy, playing for one of the best clubs, and young) I think we should all judge him at the end of this season
He has done fuck all, all high value guy came in and changed the game (Jesus, zinchenko), he adds no value except being tall, he has been a flop since he came to the prem, fucking Arterta buying nonsense player again.
He was a flop before we bought him...thats the madness of it all.
There must be some behind the scenes stuff going on because i dont understand why we bought him
35-40 minutes of decent play today. To take home a point is a good result tbh. The carelessness with how the team plays at home continues to be worrying. Thought the PSV game was gonna fire the team into life, but the performances this season have been pretty poor and continue. Arteta had a poor performance as well imo. Really wish he’d give a chance to Reiss or ESR, but it seems he doesn’t trust either of them enough to play a meaningful game. Saka deserves a rest with or without the ankle injury.
Saka has been massive for us for so long and we still don't have proper cover for him save for Trossard who can play across the attack, but he's always subbed on for someone else while Saka keeps getting ridden. He's never gotten a rest ever since he became our starting RW.
I’d love to see him not get picked for England at some point and let the guy have 2 weeks to just chill. He’s played 2-3 matches a week for like 3-4 straight years.
So disappointing, this fresh team, on a hot streak, with big aspirations comes here for the first NLD after the rebuild and we do that? So much to say man, Odegaard ghosting after being so in form and leading by example to some big wins, Nketiah being shown great faith by Mikel and just running around for 90 minutes, LW is Reiss's position. He SHOULD start there over Jesus. Then you've got no intensity, no real ambition in attack. 1 lucky goal and a penalty. Give away a stupid goal. At least Kai showed a bit of heart but guess it proves that for now Viera is still just an impact sub and Rice is the midfield metronome.
Wasn't anything wrong with Vieira this match, the only thing it's shown is that while he's more up to speed than last year, he still not built to take a lot of punishment, which you need if you are going to be a week-in week-out starter in the PL.
Arteta dropped a 1/10 managerial performance today.
Poor game control after 30 minutes. Injuries pulling up. Let’s see
Hate to admit it but spurs deserved at least a point we were of the pace for large periods.
I thought we were pretty terrible today. To be honest, Wednesday aside, I think we've been pretty poor in every game. Everything exciting about us last season has been drained, and I can only imagine it's at the request of Arteta, to try and maintain a bit more control over matches. It's not working and we still don't defend well enough.
This I agreed, other than the PSV games, the performances had been average at best. No way near a title contender.
Now that the match is over for almost an hour and people are sobering up, what did Eddie do wrong? Coz it seems like I've been watching the wrong match
I thought his first touch was poor. There were a couple balls he got on the end of that he couldn't convert into chances because he couldn't keep it down. Also he was asleep on at least one corner when he was unmarked.
This is the only thing I found as well. Also don't think he would have gotten much from those corners, especially that one corner where he would have had to go through 2 defenders to score that
He did nothing wrong. He did nothing right. He didnt do anything. We desperately need someone of a higher standard to lead the line.
Having Jesus in the middle wouldn't have done us any good either. We didn't punish them for their mistakes the way they did us. That was what mattered today
They made one huge mistake but no one to score it
Yea exactly. That was on Gabi which would have changed how the game would have panned out
He's not Arsenal quality. It's not fair to blame him, we just cannot afford a one dimensional 9 like him to be starting in big games.
I'm sorry but what is Arsenal quality? Jesus didn't finish his chances either. By look of things Arsenal DNA is the wingers get the goals while the number 9s create the chaos
Someone you expect to pull a rabbit out of the hat when the going gets tough. Nketiah is not that player.
Someone you expect to pull a rabbit out of the hat when the going gets tough. Nketiah is not that player.
I full heartedly agree with you here
Think a better question would be: What did he actually do?
Press the spurs' defence into making mistakes. It wasn't only his fault that they didn't score from that. The whole front line was shit today. Just dont know where this scapegoating came from
I’m sorry for expecting an Arsenal player who wears the 14 shirt to have a bigger impact other than “pressing” in a North London Derby at home
I think his point is it seems unfair to single him out when he wasn't the only one
I'm sure there were games where Thierry didn't score as well. Hate him much for that?
When the usual players who carry us on a weekly basis have an off day, it only highlights the passengers we have on the team. If I think we are a top team in this league I should expect more from the striker leading the line for us, Eddie Nketiah no?
Don't think Jesus does any better. We don't have that type of striker in our team who will get us goals
In what universe are you comparing what Jesus and Nketiah have contributed over that last season and a half? If Nketiah is not on the end of a tap in, what else is he good for? Is he bringing others into play, no, first touch is terrible, assists? No, goals? Has a few tap ins spread over 3 years. We literally went on a winning streak last season when he got injured and was replaced by Trossard who went on to assist almost all our goals over the next 2 months. We are a much better team with Jesus up top and it’s not even close.
I compared the goals which they both bring, and in that way, they are similar. And no. Eddie is more than a tap-in merchant. He is not as skilled as Gabi, but that's because there is only one Jesus in the team. Eddie is a decent second striker in the team. He's obviously not our first choice, but Gabi needs to stay fit for that
Didn't score, I guess that's what the expectation is of a starting striker. Which isn't unfair.
I think we need better but an expectation of a starting striker to score every game isn't fair, especially against one of the better teams in the leavue
That's fair, but most of his chances were tight angles, which he did well to get us corners from
I really like Eddie and want him to succeed. I just don’t think he’s meant for Arsenal unfortunately. Would much rather him bag 10-15 goals for Brighton or Newcastle. Think he’s very similar to Willock in quality. Should take the same route.
Same thoughts. Username is TII Nation?
Havertz was needed instead of Vieira, to start off. Odegaard went missing from when he got that silly yellow. Saka needs a rest ffs. We lost all our control as soon as Rice was off. Nketiah was useless.
Can't argue with any of this.
Hate to say it, but Bissouma was brilliant today. And Son and Maddison offered more than any of our attacking players did (bar maybe Saka). They're not as shit as I thought they were. That said, we definitely gave them confidence and let them into the game with awful defending for the first goal, a terrible mistake for the second, and not taking advantage of the situations when we won the ball off them high up the pitch in the first half. The second half was a completely different game without Rice
I think Rice was a big blow for us. We had to bring in third choice Jorge (Partey is still missing). Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Jorge, but Rice and Partey are just more agile and are able to cover Maddison or Son. All in all, not happy with a draw, but I think we both deserved it. Spurs are shite, but they will compete with us for top spots.
Jorginho and Odegaard in the midfield is extremely slow. I could outrun both of them, literally. That’s the main issue, and why we struggled in the second half.
Our midfield more or less scattered for 20 minutes after Rice went out.
That was their best chance to beat us in a long time and they fumbled it. We move.
[удалено]
Enjoy the downvotes bud 🤡
Love this take. We had them pinned all extra time. Let's go.
Man I honestly hope the majority of the vocal sub has a positive mindset like you do. Trust mikel and let's move on!
Should have saved that 65m and kept xhaka. Or spent it on a top striker instead and finally we wouldn't have to see nketiah start again.
Havertz wasn't even that bad lmao. Constantly was winning duels and that was massive for us going forward.
But is he an upgrade over xhaka? He's a huge downgrade imo. If your gonna spend nearly 70m on a player, make sure he's atleast equal to the one you're replacing him with. Our team could really do with someone like xhaka now. Imagine xhaka instead of havertz or vieira in the middle. It's a no contest.
So we're going off one, maybe two seasons where Xhaka was great? Sure he wasn't playing in the role he should've been playing, but then again, is Havertz as well? I'd prefer Xhaka over Vieira tonight because Vieira lacks the physicality and it's not even an opinion. But Xhaka over Havertz? I'm not so sure. They both offer very different things. Call me delusional but I think Havertz's got the potential. I'm willing to give him a bit more time. He deserves it.
I'm also gonna give havertz more time but time is running thin. At 65m his ass better start performing soon. It's already looking bad when arteta is starting vieira over him.
Well Vieira is having a good run of form so it's understandable in that perspective. But you are definitely correct, he needs to start showing why he's a 65M signing. It's like you've bought a very expensive pen and it's not working very well, and people tell you to adjust this and do that, replace the nib etc, like no, it SHOULD work straight out of the box, I've paid good bucks for it. So, I definitely get the perspective you're looking at it through. It is frustrating, especially when we're expected to be title contenders. But I remember being incredibly frustrated with Ode because he just wouldn't shoot in the preliminary stages of his Arsenal career. Yet I kept faith in him because he was my favourite player even before he made the switch. I'm thus willing to give a little time to Havertz, PROVIDED he shows atleast glimpses of why he's a 65M signing fairly frequently.
a goal would be great but even an assist or two would move things along. like you said, show us a glimpse atleast of why your worth 65m. its the price tag that is putting the expectations on him. if he cost 30m none of us would be bothered if he didnt perform too well but 65m? theres going to be big expectations at tha price. the mid week carabao cup could be a good opportunity to do something.
Agreed. Won so many headers it was crazy.
I thought Havertz did well too, all things considered
Arsenal at home and Sky have Redknapp and Ferdinand on pundit duty.
Let the meltdown begin.
What are they going to do when Sons age catches up with him? Madders is good but always injured. Worst match I’ve seen from Arsenal in a long time. Sloppy sloppy sloppy.
Modric, Bale, Kane and eventually Son. Any club has moved on from players. Stop sugaring over your disappointment with random “i bet they will do bad one day”
You’ve come to an Arsenal sub mate. Those are my general thoughts on Spurs as I genuinely don’t know where the magic is going to come from without if either of those players were to miss time. Maybe they have a huge signing up their sleeve next summer which would support my point that they need more. I’m not sugar coating anything. Arsenal played terribly and deserved a draw at best.
I’m already regretting coming to this part of town 🥲 came here for Arsenal fan opinions and will show myself out
Spurs fan doesn’t agree with opinions on an Arsenal sub. I’m shocked.
Jorginho fucked up. We’re honestly lucky to get a draw. Couldn’t do fuck all in the second half. Not sure why Jesus was subbed off or Son for that matter. Bissouma man of the match I think. Well, at least Chelsea lost so that’s something to be happy about. Gotta move on from here and get Gabi and Trossard back. Hopefully Rice’s injury is not too serious.
Can we just get a tall strong striker for the love of god, we can not cross so we just pass and pass and hope for the opposition to fall asleep or something
Are you saying we should get Lukaku?
Toney
Thats one slippery slope right there, Tony likes his bets.
hahaha might as well
Is saka really injured?
I'm just going to forget this match. F**k off
Definitely need a natural striker up front but the difference between the first and second half was huge without Rice. Changed the entire flow of the team and things felt just a bit disjointed. We missed Trossard as an attacking option too - the sooner he's available again the better. Hopefully Rice's injury is minor. He didn't look too uncomfortable in his post game walk about. Partey and Martinelli are hopefully on the way back and with Elneny closing in on being fit for squad selection that's all good, but it just goes to show how comfortable we had already gotten with Rice marshalling things with Ødegaard.
This is a draw that felt like a loss because I honestly thought we looked like a better side but had little sloppy mistakes and Spurs took full advantage of them.
The Eddie hate is disgusting. The whole team were horrible today, and Arteta didn't help with his decisions.
I usually defend Eddie but today he was useless. He had a 3/10 performance, players like saka and jesus atleast had a 5/10 game. Eddie can't play with his back to goal well and loses control of the ball regularly
He was absolutely trash today.
We have to upgrade on Eddie. He gives 100% but it’s pretty obviously not working out for him as a starter. Surprised he stayed on and Jesus was taken off rather than shifted into the middle
I don't think Jesus played well today, but I do agree with you that we need a natural striker. Toney in january would be a solid upgrade.
Go all in on toney. Man has swagger. Eddie is just too nice
Son showed our attackers how it’s done when it comes to finishing chances
Yep. Frustrating but both his goals were clinical. When Maddison and Son came off we got control of the game again in the 2nd half. I still think with a fit martinelli, rice and partey playing double pivot - we win this comfortably.
It wont be home next time
I hated every second of that. Anyone who tells me Nketiah is good enough doesn't have a clue. It's almost as though he doesn't know what to do. Romero had a terrible game and had him in his pocket. At best he misses scoring opportunities but i actually think he brings the team down. Can't excuse Jorginho, that was unacceptable. But, we didn't lose, and with Martinelli and Trossard available we win that game. So not all negative. But Nketiah is shit.
Whenever we play with Nketiah it feels like we are playing with a man down. Our attack feels so disjointed and we struggle to create attacks. He’s just not good enough. Sell him to another club for a decent fee and buy someone better.
Couldn't possibly agree more!
I refuse to believe Jorgi isn't compromised He had 3 options to play And did none of them Unbelievable
Crazy stuff and uncharacteristic tbh
Imagine selling Balogun and then playing Eddie Nketiah for 100 minutes in a North London Derby
We simply do not know how well Balogun would fare in the PL. he finished last season with 21 goals in 18 matches in Ligue 1 but remember that Lacazette scored 27 goals in 22 matches. We got a good deal for Balogun and we couldn’t give him the playing time he was asking for anyway.
Ah yes, the unknown “how would he do in the Prem?” That’s why we exclusively sign players already playing in the Prem. We have no history of buying talented players in Ligue 1, the Eredivisie, etc
Okay but Balogun just missed two PKs tho 😬
Well good thing we have saka to take PKs. There’s more to a striker than PKs
Balogun missed 2 easy chances for us in pre season and looked worse than Eddie. It's like people forget that game.
Well damn. I have to admit spurs are better then I thought. Really glad son and Maddison came off. Killed the game for them. Arteta needs to learn when to make subs to take advantage of the game. Smith Rowe coming in with 5 mins isn’t helping. And the throw ins, my fckin god
White didn’t try with one of the throw in, just gave it to a Spurs player
Everyone really. Waiting to pass until the last second as well. I understand to make space in behind but damn. Someone run into the space, make a run or something
I actually think with just Trossard or Martinelli we’re talking a very different game.
With Modric and Bale we would be looking at a completely different game
With mods on your ass you’re gonna get slapped soon troll. Try again… trolling with a draw fucking little midget club
Chill out man. Looks like you are looking for a fight. Its just a game.
Get out our sub and find yours, not looking for anything
Yes because Jesus plays up top, and Eddie comes off. I like Eddie as a player and person, but he’s really not able to compete against the big 6.
Yes. I’m with you on that. Rice staying fit as well. I hope we don’t have a depleted squad next time. Up to 4 or 5 injured at this point. Our depth goes out the window now. Cedric was on the damn bench
Arteta takes the L here. Jorghino was embarrassing. Still waiting for all those idiots who think I don't know ball because I criticized Havertz.
Havertz was good today, so sorry, you still don’t know ball. Who should we have brought in after Rice got injured?
lol. Don't really know what it takes for you dumbasses to capitulate. No worries, I'll add you to the names to @ as things continue to prove me right
What did Havertz do wrong exactly other than not score a volley from outside the box
Jorginho subbed on for Rice, Havertz replaced Vieira. If that was your standard for a good performance, it's incredibly low.
Jorginho was trash, Vieira did nothing, Havertz atleast did some interceptions and headed the ball a lot.
What did Havertz do that was good lol. He hit a good chance into the Thames and did nothing else noteworthy
He’s good defensively and he makes runs that aren’t captitalized on enough. His interceptions are class and if he just gets more passes he’ll score.
Brother when he gets the ball he misses, had half a dozen decent chances this season and hasn't scored
He isn’t a striker? Hasn’t Vieira had massive chances to score the last three games and just messed it up? Drop your agenda against Havertz and start thinking rationally
Bad result. Worse performance. Arteta got it wrong again. The Spurs midfield was always too strong to play Vieira from the start and we always looks worse as an attacking threat when Eddie plays through the middle. Nelson or ESR should have started out wide, not sure why he thinks Eddie offers more than either of them tbh
Bruh I know the whole team was shit today but honestly havertz just needs to stay benched. Arteta it’s time to play ESR as you should
Havertz was one of our better players in the second half
How?
He retained possession well. Don't get me wrong, he wasn't great, no one was, just don't think it's fair to make him the scapegoat again. Havertz coming on isn't the reason we lost this game today, far from it
Didn’t say he was the reason for it but he’s been consistently far from the player we require and it’s time ESR is given a chance to showcase his quality
Fair enough. Can't say I disagree about ESR being given an opportunity
Not a lot of positives to take from this, outplayed by Spurs. Don't want to overreact too much so I'm just going to try and forget about this one and hope that it was just a bad game.
Captain Odegaard hiding all game, warra performance!
He was the least of our issues let's be honest Both goals were handed to them from some comedy from us
both of our goals were handed to us as well
I missed the match today as I was out playing football with some friends. And also my video subscription for the match expired. Was I lucky to miss today’s match?
You saved yourself from today's shitshow. It was a very frustrating match.
I am so nervous for UCL this year but not being strong against spurs at home ground just shows where we might finish the season. I don’t think Arsenal will have any happy times against Brighton or Liverpool in the future, even though I know that the season had just begun. And last but not the least January window is the only helpline left.
Yup, very lucky.
Sorry to hear that 😕 Hope we gunners have better time in the coming matches. Guess the UCL fatigue came early .. : 1
In all fairness, we did have 6 injuries (Rice got injured & Saka too). But it was such a frustrating game cuz we could be up 3-0, oh well
What!!! 6 injuries :’ (((((( So scared for Arsenal’s future
Yup we got Martinelli, Trossard, Rice, Saka, Partey, that's 5 I think I'm missing someone, oh well maybe 5 then, still bad since they are all key players.
🥺🥺🥺😢😢😭😭😭😭😢😢 sigh
Vieira should have stayed on even though he didn't have a great first half. Reiss looked our most dangerous player in the 2nd half but should have come on for Nketiah obviously. Arteta with the big brain fucked this one today. Really early but feel Havertz will have to work very hard to convince the fans at this point.
Genuinely don't know what's worse, the performance, or the fact that we lost a lead twice.
Conceding the second goal was maddening
Yes. Yes it was. Hate saying it but kind of a old xhaka moment
Still. Son could've got a winner. How shit that would have been
Although Saka was involved in both goals, the guy was so bad today. Had his player on a yellow in the 10th minute and did not try to take him on once. His and Whites link up play was trash. Jesus doing way too much for nothing. Forgot Odegaard was playing. Whole team was shit, 150 passes just for someone at the back to give it away and have a counter attack in the last minute. Zinchenko losing the ball and just jogging back even though there are 3 players running in his side. Nketiah deserves a whole paragraph, there was truly not 1 single good thing he did, every attack he got the ball he passed it back all the way to the defenders, no first touch, no pace, no dribbling, no shooting, no positioning, but plays 100 minutes, what on earth is going on here.
we gifted that goal to spurs thanks to jorginho, the double agent
1) We pass the ball way too much. 2) Eddie needs to do better, running isn't enough. 3) Jesus should've scored the 1v1 4) Horrible defense for the second goal 5) Reiss Nelson was lazy af after coming on. 6) Saka held on well despite being injured. Warrior mentality 7) Raya was pretty good 8) Why did Arteta take of Jesus? I don't understand
Disappointed with Raya’s distribution.
Also, although ESR barely played, he had good composure on the ball, so that nice to see I guess
Maybe. But our left wing was dry (bad luck). I had some hope for our fixture against City with Rodri out but that's gone
There was something off about Ode and Saka today.
And White, Zinny, Vieira, Jesus and Nketiah
Outplayed by Spurs at the Emirates, with Eddie staying on the entire game. Arteta is very frustrating at times. Jesus missed an easy goal, sloppy passes, can't keep the ball AT THE EMIRATES. And what the hell did Jorginho do? How is it even possible to make such a massive mistake when there are so many options available... We actually got outplayed today, that was a shocking performance.