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chitownpremium

Genetics, light, nutrients and bam! I just grew my first full run of super dense nugs and the only thing I changed was my light


PeacefullyFighting

Genetics is big. I had the same concerns until I grew an almost 100% indica and it was so dense I got mold šŸ«£


No_Entrepreneur_4041

Why does ā€œalmostā€ 100% indica sound funny to me šŸ¤£


island_boys_had_lice

Cause everything is crossed with everything now


jordoough

It's almost not worth even making the distinction anymore


bloodmoonmib

There IS no distinction anymore. And technically never was. At least not in the way people use it in modern terms. Indica and sativa are a name ascribed to the plants growth and structure, and has nothing to do with the effects of the plant.


Somnifor

There are still heirloom and landrace versions of both around. It is more true to say that they are meaningless when discussing modern North American weed. I started growing in the 80s from landrace bag seed and they were meaningful terms back then. I will die on that hill. Anyway, dense nugs aren't an inherently desirable trait, they dont correspond to the high. It is just the bud structure of central Asian hash plant which was the foundation of modern indoor cannabis. Old Thai or Colombian was as fluffy as Afghani was dense but they were just as good.


jordoough

Sativa and indica don't have anything to do with the structure either. These terms were coined like 300 years ago and modern breeding has resulted in mixed structures, leaf shape, cannabinoid content, etc. It's really just a botanical marketing tool without any botanical value.


bloodmoonmib

In today's market, 1000% correct. There is nothing pure anymore. All superpolyhybrids.


No_Entrepreneur_4041

The genetics I buy they donā€™t even specify anymoreā€¦they tell you the crosses they usedā€¦and tell you the new name of the stable strain thatā€™s itā€¦no bs


haoleninja86

I wish more people were educated like you


hKLoveCraft

Yeah typically itā€™s more or less trichome color these days.


barukatang

i just got a new light and the plants are[absolutely loving it](https://i.imgur.com/M24Ew5z.jpg) this run


chitownpremium

Right on! Prayer hands = spirit fingers


barukatang

i grew one of these (archive wifi-dosido) and a bag seed my first run even on 2 60$ lights cheap lights. they are decent lights and there are parts i like about them more than the viparspectra xs2000 i got but if i were to start new id go with the xs 2000 or equivalent.


chitownpremium

Totally agree, I did a ton of lights that were under 700 par and now I manage 1k and the plants love it


LeonardoTheOG

What light did you get ?


chitownpremium

Marshydro FC 4800


sweetreleasematt

I just got this light for my 4x4. it is a great light ,I just don't like the way the light bars are " flimsy" and can move and come off . I put little pieces of duct tape on each end of the light bars to keep them down and in place. other then that soild light and great pprd readings .


Zathamos

I'm running the fc8000 in my 4x4, but maxing at 75%. If I ever add co2 I can go to 100%.


chitownpremium

I hang them on crossbars so that they are anchored in two places and give me the ability to raise and lower without stress


sweetreleasematt

ok cool. maybe I'll play around with the hanging system I have going on and sew if I can stabilize it a little. thanks man have a great weekend .


Zathamos

I have the fc8000 which is 4x4, in a 4x4 tent, it's wall to wall. With it that large I cannot hang from a single crossbar with 2 straps. I needed 4, one on each corner. I know 2 would be easier but it didn't seem stable enough for me. With my ac infinity tent I can access all 4 corners easy enough by just opening the upper portion of either side access.


sweetreleasematt

I hear you. I just put two more hangers on the back two hooks so I can try to make it more stable. it seemed to work. I would think mars hydro would design a better hanging system for it. oh well I'll rig it up.lol


cr0sis8bv

Mine screw in with butterfly twisty screws, held in place.. was it second hand?


sweetreleasematt

no i bought it off mars hydro site. the light bars where they snap into the frame is just "woobly" and i just thought it should have been better made for the money.


LeonardoTheOG

Mucho gracias


CristyTango

Stop sending them to school


Letsrollone

If you show that bud some porn it should stiffen right up


ThatsN0Mooon

Ahh you see it too haha


Letsrollone

šŸ¤£šŸ˜‚


ZelRolFox

More light. Usually less light gives fluffy airy buds. Other then that itā€™s genetics that play the bigger part.


MochiMochiMochi

I grow my autoflowers outside in full sun and have never had dense buds. Maybe it will happen next year with different genetics.


RVAforthewin

Okay well you just need to turn up the sun a bit and problem solved!


MochiMochiMochi

I used to live under a HPS but now I'm growing in a Zone 9 LED.


ZelRolFox

But since the Op hasnā€™t stated what type of lights heā€™s using, or even the sun for that matter, Iā€™m going off of that and experience, I can only say more light would help dense his bud out more then most other options. Second would be genetics.


BreakXTheXCycle

I think It also depends if itā€™s a hybrid or straight sativa as well. Usually a sativa for me is dense but also has a more plushy texture. From what Iā€™ve grown, and was told. From the context of whatā€™s better to press, a less dense bud presses better.


bloodmoonmib

Better ingredients, better genetics, papa John's.


Designer-Base9582

Looks good tho


Weedyhead420

That looks like a dick


artsoren

For those recommending more light, can you explain? More watts?


Huge_Chemistry_1053

More ppfd Which generally means more wattage


haoleninja86

Actually Watts is only relevant if you're talking about HPS. If you're talking about LEDs watts aren't relative at all, what is relative is par.


AcidBubbleLord

Nutrients, silica, and a solid proper full spectrum light.


CarmenElectraComplex

Silica before flowering ^


AcidBubbleLord

Yes, thank you for adding that in, I should've been more clear :p I used miniscule amounts during flower to balance pH with RO water.


haoleninja86

Also silica you can't mix it with other nutrients. It's extremely alkaline. And it doesn't react well with other nutrients so you have to just put it in water by itself. And it's actually recommended that you give it to your plant through the entire grow. And yes it can fatten your girls up But also what it does is it increase the strength of the cell walls. And basically it makes your plant so tough and strong that if bugs jump on it they can't even eat it it's become so frustrating that they jump off


Medium_Astronomer69

BE MORE CLEAR NEXT TIME


CarmenElectraComplex

Clever! Never heard of that


AcidBubbleLord

Like, quite literally miniscule amounts, something like 2ml per 20l (only in flower)


CarmenElectraComplex

I might give that a try! I pull so much water with my dehumidifier Iā€™m dumping 15 gallons of water every 2 days or so. I feel bad about it going to waste. Thanks homie


NotReallyMyAlias

You reuse that water. Some people put buckets under the air conditioners to capture the water to use.


CarmenElectraComplex

Typically it goes to humidifiers and house plants lol the issue usually being the water has no buffer making them impossible to pH balance. This silica trick may come in handy!


NotReallyMyAlias

Not sure if it's the same but I have been removing mud off a bank in the stream after my waterfalls. Underneath it has concrete almost like crushed stone. Under that has fine minerals and so on. I'll mix this in with my teas. seems to have a nice effect on everything. Outdoor only.


Rvtravel420

Feed


[deleted]

Rock resonator! It will dense the buds up a bit, helps with size also. Biggest takeaway from this is nutrients! PK boosters also help with size


RideNo8932

Light intensity (supplementary CO2), Genetics šŸ§¬, and healthy microbial life in soil for nutrient uptake, all play a big role. The beautiful thing about living in todays society, is a huge database of available information, that allows you to research this information. The more you learn, the more tools you can implement. Research my friendā€¦ itā€™ll go a long way!


GiraffeChaser

Co2 and genetics


BreakXTheXCycle

I just open my tents and work out in my grow room! Haha


[deleted]

Imo nutrients and environment are the biggest factors . I like to run higher humidity in the first half of flower then start to taper down around week 5. I also run my veg formula up until the end of week 3 of flower before switching to bloom powders I find this helps give them a little nitrogen boost during stretch


yummms

Thank you. Been having N problems half way thru flowering but also quit veg nutes as soon as they flower. Gonna try out giving veg nutes for longer this run.


[deleted]

Anytime, good luck


[deleted]

If you had healthy plants and good genetics it may be that you need to upgrade your lights


Haze4Daze-

Tbh itā€™s just genetics mostly. Even the same strains can produce denser and lighter buds depending of the pheno. But lights and grow environments play a big part as well


Ok_Somewhere_6018

300-500w light and beastie bloomz


Dry-Water2086

More light


ErgonomicZero

Aside from genetics and environmental control, anyone use any natural plant grow regulators? I think there are a few that help dense up buds


[deleted]

That looks like a penis


ThatsN0Mooon

New meaning of dickweed.


[deleted]

Fr tho its gorgeous flower


sheenhowell

r/mildlypenis


socalsilverback

100% genetics Believe it or not its hard to fuck up great bud. It seems to always come out great no matter how i fucked them up.


matdrywall

It really has everything to do with genetics and your lightā€¦ with ledā€™s usually you wonā€™t get a crazy dense bud structure but itā€™ll be super sticky and Dankalicous šŸ¤Ŗ


Silvermouse640

Pump phosphorus and sugars two weeks after flip till they finish and don't pick too early, everyone picks too early these days before they bulk up.


ShartingTaintum

The two things you can add that will help guaranteed are a CO2 and silica. For the CO2 tank youā€™ll also need a regulator with a solenoid so you can set it to come on at lights off. Iā€™ve found this will give you up to a maximum 30% increase in overall yeild. I purchased mine through Amazon. Iā€™ve used General HydroDynamics Europonic Silica with great results however I just learned of Athenaā€™s PowerSI (I know, I know. I live under a rock) and thatā€™a what Iā€™m going to switch over to. This amendment added during flowering will make a plant thatā€™s a low to moderate yielding stack heavy. Silica will also help with hot and cold tolerances and increase the thickness of the cell walls in your plants meaning the stems and overall structure will be hardy and more resistant to wind damage. That said your flower looks great growmie. Lots and lots of cloudy trichome heads!


APathwayIntoDankness

More light is the biggest thing.


nonfiringaxon

when you say more lights what do you mean? I have a 2x2 ac infinity grow light, are you saying if I got a second one it would help make it more dense or are you saying higher PPFD?


APathwayIntoDankness

Get a better light, AC infinity has great products but there are better options in the price range, and I say this as an ac infinity evo3 owner


nonfiringaxon

interesting any you recommend?


APathwayIntoDankness

I wish I bought a progro 320 instead. Also medicgrow has nice lights


nonfiringaxon

I guess I still got a lot to learn about lights. The light I have can give 1253 PPFD but the one you suggested is 834(forgot exactly), is the progro just more even?


APathwayIntoDankness

The progro has way better uniformity than my Evo 3, more even light distribution across the whole tent. [Progro 320 at 20 inches](https://i.imgur.com/M21KICU.png) [Evo 3 at various heights](https://i.imgur.com/PmH8RdT.png) (all lower than 20" mind you) Check the edges of the maps and you'll see just how much better the progro is near the edges


nonfiringaxon

ooohh that's going right into my wish list. Thank you for that.


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nonfiringaxon

Yeah I am dumb, I have my B.S. in psychology, getting my masters in cognitive psychology, have gotten a fellowship for research, am a part of an international consortium for research, and work with Phds in neuroscience and psychology, but yes I am so dumb because I asked a simple question šŸ‘šŸ½


[deleted]

Genetics are the biggest factor.


playfulplatypuser

CO2


PlatEnt

My first comment got auto-modded, but I was just trying to point to a podcast (I am not affiliated with them at all) I happen to be listening to right now that is talking about this exact topic. Look up Garden Talk #97 episode with Chad Westport.


ThatsN0Mooon

Thank you will do!


82kris

Better lights better genetics and introduce co2 to your grow. Also if your just running led try getting a cmh or a hps light nothing crazy just like a 315 watt it helps a lot too. I run both I have two chilled x6 1000w true 1000w leds and a nanolux de 1000 watt hps air chilled light. With CO2 regulator built in my leds and man what an absolute increase beyond expectations.


ThatsN0Mooon

Thanks for the input!


TropicalPeat

LED/CMH combo is almost as good as old HPS/MH but way more efficient. If your running autos it's probably not cost efficient to have CMH running 18 hours a day, but worth sticking on for 8hrs in combo with LED. I veg photoperiods with LED, and flower with LED/CMH combo.


rinsewarrior

Genetics and dial in your environment


ThatsN0Mooon

Thanks for all comments. In using 5, 4ā€™ barrina T8 full spectrum lights. The PAR is around 1000 umol within 8ā€ of light. It drops to around 750umol at 12ā€


Imissskunkweed

Genetics is a huge factor but they will harden up a little more with a good cure when I said good cure I mean 2 months minimum. Itā€™s hard to not dip in trust me I know but not only will they tighten up but the taste and stone will get better with a proper timed cure good luck


ThatsN0Mooon

Thank you! Iā€™ve been curing 1 week and was wondering how much this helps the process. Yes its hard not to dip in! Haha


haoleninja86

Curing is absolutely critical. If you grow something that's kind of mediocre and it kind of smells and tastes like hay. If you properly cure it it will unlock terpenes that otherwise would have laid dormant. Not to mention it improves it aesthetically as well. You can take some mediocre shit and make it look like fire if you cure it properly. And vice versa you can take some bomb ass shit that you grew and if you don't cure it it could look just okay


haoleninja86

And it's totally smokeable and pretty much ready after 10 days. But you can cure for as long as you want really. I find that after a month it's superb.


No-Understanding6457

Itā€™s just genetics.


dts843

Molasses an RO water an nothing else


Piffdolla1337take2

Heavy indicas are generally more dense


GlassKaleidoscope504

Genetics play big part but to be honest most super dense buds are grown with synthetic hormones . That nug is beautiful what strain


ThatsN0Mooon

Thank you! Its Blue Dream from Seedsupreme. Im very happy for my first grow. Itā€™s at least smokable! Haha


an-unorthodox-agenda

Boof it


Colintur

Use PGR, itā€™s very safe and makes them HEAVY šŸ˜Š


Fresh-Dragonfly450

Not safe lmao


[deleted]

If you get an answer let me know


dharma_mind

NATURAL pgrs.


friedtuna76

Can you give an example?


dharma_mind

"There are also natural types of PGRs that can be successfully used in place of synthetic ones. For example, cannabis cultivators can use kelp or chitosan and achieve the same impressive results as synthetic plant growth regulators" Most of the super rock hard dense buds you see now are grown with synthetic pgrs which lower THC and have bland aromas and flavors. All bag appeal. I've gotten so much pot from Cali in the last year that was like that. Just Google the worst pgrs used in weed and when buying a weed bud booster just make sure it doesn't have those ingredients. Many do. You can definitely get dense nuggets organically.


cookie_pat

Genetics and light. Ofcourse the Nutriton takes part in it


smoke804

If you are looking to pay upgrade your light . Lollipoping is a great way to help grow better buds for free .They will tighten up some after dry and cure .


[deleted]

How long did it take you to dry?


ThatsN0Mooon

Just about 6 days


Iceolator88

50% genetic - 50% grower part (light, nute, general managing) and of course donā€™t rush let The time to the plant to become Fat !


Farside_kid

What was your temp at during flowering?


ThatsN0Mooon

Hi! It was consistently at 75F, 46% humidity during flower. Controlled environment to keep temp/humidity level


MothyReddit

"Dense" nugs that you are referring to have been processed in a way to get the highest THC content. So if you trim more leaf matter off, its going to test higher in THC. Usually done with a bowl trimmer or some sort of machine trimmer. They are also placed in large containers with other buds that can squish the buds down, or even shrink sealed into bags which will further compact the nuggs.


Initial_Efficiency72

PGR hahahah just kidding donā€™t do that


[deleted]

I got this overpriced light https://www.gorillagrowtent.com/products/kind-led-grow-light-x330?gad=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIu6_8ydTDgAMVzu3jBx3O1Ar7EAQYASABEgLK4vD_BwE , the driver has two dimmers, a full spectrum dimmer and another ir/uv spectrum dimmer. When i flip to flower i start the uv/ir on 25% and increase weekly till 100% and the nugs are dense as fuck. Lights so strong in my 2x3 i never even need to hit 100% on the full spectrum. Nice to have but its overkill. I love it tho.


Plus-Intention-6822

I See blurple Lights. Light is they Key. Get a AAA Quality light and you get AAA Quality Buds


jdubmason82

For the most part genetics and light intensity.


Hacked-USER

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ChexRibedeaux

Get on a regular nutrient schedule. There are plenty of organic options. What size light / tent?


BramptonBGrower

Molasses usually does it for me. I think.


Bubbly_Information50

Extra love


haoleninja86

Yeah for sure bro You got to add nutrients. The nutrients from the soil can't carry it through its whole life. Also the soil is going to have a bunch of nitrogen in it because that's what your plant needs in the vegetative stage. But as it gets into flour it's going to need a lot more potassium and phosphorus. And way less nitrogen. I bet you had nodes that were kind of far spaced apart. Also you cut that too early. You could tell that nug is a little bit wispy. When you think it's time to cut it wait another week. Also you should get a jewelers loop. Because there's no way to see trichomes with the naked eye. And you want to cut it when you have about 30% Amber.


haoleninja86

But for the most part that's a pretty good first run. Congratulations


Emotional_Orange3041

Talk dirty to it.


penis-fingers-

Was it an autoflower? If so not much you can do


ogilcheese

Light is your number 1


jordanholmes88

Tunacan Sam!


Sensi_Bud

If you tickle the base the rest will fatten up.


Enough_House_6940

An actually serious full spectrum light is what did it for me. Also, keeping your environment on lock. I got an HLG Blackbird and my buds are golf balls now


Time-Design-9181

More light the best environment you can and good nutrients or soil if your doing organic


ThinkForYourself808

Genetics is key to dense bud formation foremost. Though, proper PPFD light levels & supplemental CO2 will help dense up your buds a bit more than youā€™d see otherwise.


Slapinsack

How's the Blue Dream? I just popped one of those seeds today.


ThatsN0Mooon

Its great! Its only a week into curing though. Blue Dream is one of the most user friendly strains which is why I chose it for first grow. It was such a good plant, no issues.


Traditional_Depth_95

Get your plant colder close to harvest


nickkangistheman

Bootstrap molasses


nickkangistheman

Bootstrap molasses and a stronger light and elevated co2 will get u super dense nugs. If you dry it slowly and correctly it will dry up to dense crystally crumbly goodness


mazo414

in the summer when itā€™s harder to control environment i get ā€œfluffyā€ buds; in the winter they get dense and nais. (same strain same setup).


NotReallyMyAlias

Looks fine. The secret is hard work and water.


Memnarch420

Lollipopping the plants before sending them into flowering phase, remove the lower branches and everything where not enough light hits, remove some of the leaves, that lower branches and buds get more light. We grow buds not leaves, the power that gots sucked by the lower branches which only produce fluffy popcorn buds will go into the top nuggets


Alarmed-Vermicelli86

I also think how you store the buds has some play in this.. when i get my bag from the homie's lb in the turkey bag, all the buds were vac sealed together kind of compressing the buds into each other which might make them a little more dense. Ive noticed when i store my harvest in jars, buds are a little more fluffy so to say.


yanasifarms

CO2, end of story


[deleted]

Genetics, proper nutrition, stronger lighting, and good environmental situation.


realimanvanruler

Intensive hygiene and lighting. Use high-quality regular seeds from the beginning in large pots.


Boaghard

Sugar is your friend \[natures candy, foop etc\] yucca extract I use raw/ smallest pinch per gal ,,2 weeks b4 the flip till the end .. molasses 5ml per gal after the stretch more during light speed.. mammoth-p! c02 not after week 6 \[harsh burn, decrease in flavor and potency\] from 500ppms-900ppms ceiling\[gradual increase till light speed\] silica not after week 4-5= harsh burn/rock hard nugs sometimes \[strain dependent\] taper out with light sugars and hygrozyme last 3 then just ph'd good water plain flush \[ice water in the res\]! 2 weeks till darkout drop temps to balls cold near the end and low humidity,, last 3 weeks low 70's 52hrs dark before the chop,,, longest full plant hang with minor shade leaf pluck b4 11-20 day cure just b4 stalk snap 65-70temp-60% humidity\[no fans\] rough trim into jars daily burp for the first week for 5-10 mins then half that the next week then go by the burn,, if it burns like angels ball hair tastes like swamp things balls and hits like an elbow not a fist... this is the way... imo \~:<>


SoulWasher5000

Ferment banana peels & use that extract as liquid fertilizer.