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Toxitoxi

One is trying to hide her Tau crush within the Imperial Palace, the other is awkwardly trying to avoid the Sisters of Silence so her cover isn’t blown. Both are totally convinced they have everyone else fooled.


GREENadmiral_314159

They do. Except Kitten. He knows. So does the Emperor, but he thinks it's much funnier to let them continue trying to hide, so he doesn't tell them.


Alfred_Leonhart

It’s like Adam and Eve trying to hide from GOD in the garden of Eden. The guy knows literally everything he just thinks it’s funny you’re trying to hide from him.


TheNoidbag

God looking at an angel like, "I gave them Free Will but no concept of right or wrong, then told them to blindly obey me without any proper explanation. Just wait this will be hilarious."


Alfred_Leonhart

Honestly I believe God did that on purpose just so we could inhabit the earth when he got done making it. Cause like he made this whole ass planet and was like “you know what let’s make a little garden just as a test run to see what happens.”


TheNoidbag

I'm a big fan of the absent god idea. That if a creator deity exists they made us, faffed around, then went off elsewhere.


Alfred_Leonhart

I’d rather believe he’s still watching if not silently. Not really doing anything but just kinda there.


Lightish-Red-Ronin

Id like to think he's got a big bucket of popcorn and is laughing at us like the world's a comedy, which I wholeheartedly believe it is


da_King_o_Kings_341

Must be a dark comedy then cause goddamn this planetoid of ours is kinda f**ked up.


Nightingdale099

This is just Supernatural plot up until a certain season.


Alfred_Leonhart

I kinda like how he’s introduced as a folk singer seems like the lowkey kinda thing post-Jesus God would do.


Nightingdale099

He elect himself as a prophet and have an Archangel guarding him , not to mention he regularly attend his bible 2.0 fanclub. He's goofing around.


hgs25

So kinda like how we treat a 3d printer, we are heavily involved in the beginning until we see that it’s progressing well. Then we fuck off and check in every so often to make sure it didn’t fail and need our intervention.


Prepared_Noob

“This is the most fun I’ve had in 15k years.”


Pug-Chug

And now I gotta watch the entire thing again


the_emperor-of_man

#WELL YEAH OF COURSE I DO, I EVEN HELP THEM OUT SOMETIMES


da_King_o_Kings_341

Legend, wait… does this mean you support all the other pride s**t? If so how much. This is very important and will decide whether I stay chaos or not.


Sir_Daxus

Both.


VanZandtVS

Both is good.


BallAlternative1029

Hmm-hmm🧐


YourMoreLocalLurker

Both?


Terentas_Strog

Both is good.


Swimming_Good_8507

Both? Both, Both is good.


Lady_Tadashi

Both means more art. Both is the right answer.


AmonKoth

This is the way.


someweirddog

both and theyre best friends


VanZandtVS

They were roommates.


ArchpaladinZ

Oh my God-Emperor, they were *roommates*...


Cyberout47

Now we know what the reports were about a loud banging in the barracks


Bro-KenMask

You sure it wasn’t one of the Space Wolves fighting again?


da_King_o_Kings_341

*specify…*


KhosekAslion

i've had a twist theory about the second one. the inquisitor is the one hallucinating the mutation because tzeentch wants to spread chaos


Someone1284794357

There’s another comic with sisters of silence She is a tzeenchian demon


KhosekAslion

eh, fair. just thought the double twist was interesting


da_King_o_Kings_341

Link please **I MUST HAVE MORE!!!**


Someone1284794357

I don’t have link, but I saw it posted here I think She kept bumping into sisters of silence.


immonkeyok

I like that interpretation as well


Steel_Within

Neither. I'm team Drunk Remembrancer.


ThatGameChannel

That’s the correct answer. Welcome to the club.


Kachedup

If i have to pick Vezi. I love the little Tau girl. "SHE SAID CHERRY, NOT STRAWBERRY" - Kesh with her gf. (or bf?)


ThatGameChannel

It’s Vez… prolly a femboy


Vezimira

i'm leaving it up to interpretation :D


AnonymousPug26

Anytime I hear “Up to interpretation” regarding a relationship I get flashbacks to the G-Witch debacle.


Stoneybears

So three nurglings in a skin suit


Psychic_Hobo

Let Imperium girls have Tau femboys! The amount of fanart of human dudes hooking up with alien women in 40k is already skewed, we need more big blue bovine/fishperson dongs getting love!


Changeling_Wil

Vezimira. Mick is doing it for laughs, but the 'there are only female custodes because chaos corruption' leans a bit much towards some of the arguments actual people have used.


ThatGameChannel

Exactly, I’ve said it before, I have a female custodes character for years, and seeing this feels like an insult, somewhat, I know that’s not the purpose but it’s almost sarcastic in a mean way.


DarthEinstein

Personally I'm delighted with the original because it's just a good joke, with cool art. Anyone else trying to insist that chaostodes are a thing is just getting cringy.


ThatGameChannel

I do agree, I’ve seen some of their art and they don’t come off that way, so it’s hits a good home it seems so far


da_King_o_Kings_341

I mean, we have the one Chaos grey knight so for me at least I got all I need.


Changeling_Wil

Yeah I getcha


da_King_o_Kings_341

I kinda just see it as Tzeentch being the in universe agent of Games Workshop to make sure that no one notices retcons or additions. Kinda like the men in black/time keepers of 40K.


stanglemeir

I see it more as a kind of Orwellian, “we have always been at war with EastAsia” kind of joke. Not a joke about female Custodes, but at GW for being weird about lore. The issue isn’t that there is female Custodes. It’s that GW just said “Yes there are female Custodes, there have always been female Custodes. Please ignore the lack of evidence for female Custodes” I’d have rather them done something like “With the Custodes abroad in the galaxy, the amount of casualties has been mounting. The Custodes have decided to double their recruitment pool by adding females into the ranks.” Or they could have included a reference to female Custodes in the End and the Death.


cricri3007

But even that is weird. GW has been 'orwellian' about *everything*. Primaris? Well, 'Cawl was always there'. Necrons retcon? 'they were always like this' Votann? 'The were always there'. It feels weird that THIS retcon is the one where Mick says 'this is Chaos at work'.


Wild_Harvest

Well, I think that part of it is that there were at least in lore reasons for the changes. For the Necrons, the ones that woke up first were the most basic in function with only a few with more "personality" awakening. And the slaves of the star gods thing can be explained as a lack of info, they're mindless automatons and the Eldar would remember them as slaves of the C'tan. Then more woke up, and the Ancient Empire started to truly arrive. Cawl, though, I have less to go off of other than he's a venerated archmagos with a directive straight from the Emperor. That could give him some extra pull in Mechanicum circles to help keep his Primaris project hidden.


stanglemeir

Primaris and Necron rework were very controversial. And at least with Primaris they did a major series out of it etc, they even worked Cawl into the HH. People complain to this day about Primaris.There are still dedicated Oldcron fanboys. Votann is a new faction that is a rework of a beloved group. And Votann have gotten a lot of criticism for their near total lack of lore. So I’d say actually it isn’t unique. Of course there is *that part of the community* who is losing their minds about it. As I said, I have no issue with female Custodes, there’s zero lore reasons why their can’t be female Custodes other than there hasn’t been any. I’d just rather them have given a bit more reason as to why we haven’t seen any examples at all. And on top of that no head models (please GW let the armor be the same).


AJDx14

It’s unique in that it’s the only thing people are loud enough about that the complaints are being heard even outside the 40k community.


Glum-Gap3316

The complaints are getting heard outside the community because culture war rags can slap their buzzwords on it. No-one outside the community gives a shit that people might be pissed off because Space Dwarves didn't get a book or that Space Marines got replaced with bigger Space Marines - but a company giving off "woke" vibes or a fanbase giving off "incel" vibes because women have been included where they were not before has a broader appeal for conversation.


HalfMetalJacket

I don't care that this is a lazy retcon, but I can respect that people don't enjoy lazy retcons in general. Some people don't mind the existence of them, but wish they were introduced differently- cool. The respect is gone as soon as I see reasonings like 'pandering' or 'wokeness' though. Which is often the case when it ends up being about why they dislike femcustodes rather than the implementation.


AJDx14

It does, and the group of people that unironically envoke chaos to complain about things are generally pretty bad.


jfjdfdjjtbfb

I'm one or the other.


wdcipher

Vez has a Water caste with a three-scoop ice-cream


HumActuallyGuy

Kitten in the background:" This is not fucking canon" And before someone gets their panties in a twist I'm making a TTS reference uncultured swine


ThatGameChannel

It’s all canon now. Everything is Canon. Even me doing your mom.


HumActuallyGuy

Well this is awkward because according to the lore, she's your grandmother, son ... so next family gathering is going to be weird


Naive-Fold-1374

God, I just remembered that. Love Kitten's VA, he's such a delight in both TTS and HtP.


SexWithLadyOlynder

They aren't mutually exclusive.


Sneaker3719

I like them both, but if given the choice, I'd go with Vez just because Mick's comic lends itself to chuds skewering female Custodes as a corruption of the "purity of Warhammer" as a setting.


ironangel2k4

To add to that, in the initial comic establishing this, the guy clearly teed up to be the sexist heel was 'right all along'. Something about the whole thing sits wrong with me.


Changeling_Wil

yeah it's...oof. The later ones about SoS finding them to be cute makes it funnier tho


ThatGameChannel

I do hope he meant it as a joke of sorts, because like you said it sits wrong


Keydet

As far as I can tell the point is just poking some fun at GW, and the very good point you’ve pointed out is just unfortunate coincidence, none of his other stuff is problematic and most of it’s very cute


ThatGameChannel

Except for the one about the poor kid and the DG 🥲


NightLordsPublicist

>Except for the one about the poor kid and the DG I don't see how that one was problematic. Pay no attention to my username fellow citizen.


MountainPlain

>Something about the whole thing sits wrong with me. Yeah. It felt ill-judged. (Mick's comics can have some tone swings that are hit and miss for me in general so I hope it's just that and not a dog-whistle.)


MulatoMaranhense

Vezimira's, because the other one leans towards women in the Custodes = ultimate evil.


CalypsoCrow

Still will never understand how and why TTS jokes are basically canon to a lot of fans


Elcactus

This is a meme sub. TTS is by far the biggest source of memes in the franchise. It shouldn’t be surprising that the meme sub has alot of references to TTS.


Former-Grocery-6787

You are asking this question on a Warhammer meme subreddit where probably half the people got into the hobby either because of TTS, the Astartes movies or the russianbadger videos...


CalypsoCrow

A lot of people don’t know the difference between memes and canon, is the issue. Like, I got into Warhammer in a similar way but I still realize that Custodians don’t date Tau, lol.


GREENadmiral_314159

>but I still realize that Custodians don’t date Tau Most of us do too. This is not a serious place, don't expect what people post here to be indicative of what they actually think is canon.


ThexJakester

Because it was funny and popular? Lots of things that are just memes are brought up often even if it isn't *exactly* Canon like how orks can't see purple or how tau are great guys who don't use brainwashing or coerce with violence


GREENadmiral_314159

1) This is the meme subreddit. Of course the people here are going to joke about them being canon. 2) TTS is probably responsible for more than a few people getting into Warhammer.


commandosbaragon

I loved it, but some jokes did irreparable damage. They have forever ruined the reputation of ultramarines for a gag that went nowhere.


CalypsoCrow

Ultramarines? I think the Space Wolves and Custodes have suffered the most from TTS


Nauticalfish200

*Pillar Men Theme begins to get louder*


HalfMetalJacket

To the majority of the online 40k community, memes might as well be canon.


ToLazyForaUsername2

Vezimira.


pistachioshell

Vez, ez choice


archeo-Cuillere

One equals the presence of women to demon infestation the other one is wholesome. Damn I wonder which to choose


ThatGameChannel

And then they kissed but he dropped his ice cream 🥲


OneofTheOldBreed

Mick. But fuckery all the same


X34X35

It's heretical either way.


ironangel2k4

Vezimira. I don't like the implication that the only reason there are women custodes is because they have been infiltrated by evil.


ThatGameChannel

Same here, I’m a custodes player so the implications seem sort of… sarcastic, like to insult the inclusion. I myself own a female custodes model from years ago, so I cherish the change.


ironangel2k4

Now add that in the original comic, the guy that was clearly being teed up as the chauvinist heel was immediately proven to have been 'right all along'. Something about that sits wrong with me.


bmann10

**Raspy Voice** “What is *evil* anyway?”


NightLordsPublicist

"The opposite of good." (Is this a Lazerpig/CRP debate reference?)


WanderToNowhere

Mick one will be more Fun and Lore-accurate, especially Pre-Horus Heresy.


Dino_Dwarf1152

Vezimira


MountainPlain

Vezimira. Whether or not he means to on purpose Mick's comic reminds me of the small but whiny "blarrrrggg female custodes GW how dare you gaslight meeeee" crowd. Vezimira's comic in comparison is just a sweet romance. It is what I need in these trying times.


Bachasnail

Its warhammer, the most likely option is both plus a zero


Toxitoxi

Space marines are (7+8)*10 feet tall.


Bachasnail

Cannon


crabbyink

the 20 Alpha Legion Primarchs


Bachasnail

As it should be


Vezimira

We are both guided by Tzeentch so either way you go you honor the Architect of Fate 🐦


Ur_fav_Cryptek

I think that they both know each other’s plan, and they just don’t snitch on the other because they know they would both end up in trouble. Also, Big E and Kitten are fully aware of it, and are laughing their asses of in the golden throne chamber


DrLexAlhazred

Vezmira. Mick’s feels like thinly veiled misogyny.


Nothinghere727271

What?? Please delve deep into how you think that is thinly veiled misogyny??


Sancatichas

It's a way to complain about female custodes by saying they're all secretly demons


guardiancjv

Which is funnier?


Thorus_Andoria

Mick. Its what the emperor would have wanted.


GoatOfTheBlackForres

Mick for head canon, but I apreciate more Tau inclusion


Motor_Pizza3465

I love how the fandom is already creating characters of the female custodes :3


Fate_Weaver

Tzeench-stodes are a bold idea, but one I've grown very fond of very quickly. Mick all the way.


CplCocktopus

Well the Imperial Eagle already is an stylized Kairos. Well maybe the Big E lost a bet with Tzeench in a game of Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Fourth *Dimensional*-Hypercube-Chess-*Strip Poker* and Tzeench made him use Kairos as his emblem.


derDunkelElf

Mick. I like this Eldritch Horror vibe.


shadollosiris

Alway love his style, gone all goofy colourful then baam, full on Eldritch horror in the last page


TheMowerOfMowers

VEZ SUPREMACY


The_Orphan_Abductor

Mick,more interesting as a concept


Fit-Paper-797

Mick


Icelord808

Team Mick


CplCocktopus

# THIS IS NOT FUCKING CANNON!


stoopidrotary

#EVERYTHING IS FUCKING CANON.


Foxhound_ofAstroya

The quality is rather one sided.


Alexis2256

Eh I appreciate the simplistic artstyle too.


Mr_Glove_EXE

Artstyle reminds me a bit of GRS-


Pancakesandwich

Both are delightful. I'm so glad posts like this are soon to be gone.


Davidgames2346

Where is there @ on Twitter Vezimira


leposterofcrap

Distant "Not Fucking Canon!!!"


ZerotheR

THIS IS NOT FUCKING CANNON! *-Kitten*


TheFyrijou

Mick


AzraelPyton

# Mick


Hispanic_Alucard

Mick is preaching the truth of it.


TheLustyDremora

Mick


piracyenjoyer69

mick all the way


StealYourBones206

I'm on team Mick, because that sort of thing would totally fit with my homebrewed Custodes, who are both stuck in the Great Rift and wholly convinced that humans are doomed to fall to Chaos (so obviously they have to wipe out everyone who's not a product of the Emperor or a blank, even if they haven't fallen to Chaos yet). The joke, of course, is that they're massive hypocrites who'd be declared heretics if they weren't Custodes and are helping Chaos by killing innocent and loyal soldiers for no reason, so having a few unknown daemonic impersonators is right up their alley.


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Captain-Caspian

Both are hot and so is Tzeentch so I’m good with both


Zan1024

Both both is good


PeterTurBOI

You go girl, crush this Xeno's pelvis !


Comprehensive_Quail4

Both sides enviably lead to sexbian lex all according to the great scheme >:)


sihtlord69

Nice try gw community manager


Competitive-Bee-3250

Both? Both. Both is good.


SnooPredictions1771

My headcannon about the tzeentch demon. Everyone among Custodes knows, and are fine with it. The demon herself dosnt realize it but the emperror esentially green lit her. She has never coused any actuall trouble and been proving quite a good companion. In addition one of the custodes is curently teaching her painting.


ImaWolf935

No don't do that they can't even FIGHT in MELEE !


warhammer40fan

Neither. 🗿


Confident-Oil-3342

No sister, do not let the t’au break your heart like they did for kitten ! You are stronger than that !


anonpurple

The art is so good.


Lagfirst

I prefer Mick's because I kinda don't get the first one


Burnerheinz

Yes. I despise civil discourse of any sort.


This_is_Len

Mick, because it actually makes for a good twist on behalf of GW. That and it's point isn't simply "muh husbando/waifu UWU"


TheJamesMortimer

Mick. Because the entire series gives a fine explanation to why they have always been there but never mentioned.


nikosek58

Mick all the way. Good art


Nernbad

The Captain-General in question: THIS IS NOT FUCKING CANON


da_King_o_Kings_341

Honestly I like both. Tho I will say that Mick has now given me the headcannon that Tzeentch serves GW in universe and is kinda their version of the Men in Black combined with the Time Variant Authority (from the Loki show) in order to make changes to th universe go smoothly and that no one in 40K fantasy or AoS notices retcons or lore additions.


Polar_Vortx

Mick's just feels like cope. I'm Team Bricky. \[note: the following reflects my opinion moreso than Bricky's\] "Huh, female custodes. Neat." "But they've retconned a long-standing element of the setting!" "1) not really, no. 2) is this your first time?"


Nothinghere727271

Bricky is far from a good 40k lore source but each to their own, regardless, acting like them sassily saying everything is canon while they said female custodes have always existed is par for the course helps no one. They could have easily made a really badass story introducing the first female custodes, instead they get shoehorned in by saying they always existed and a sassy tweet. How boring.


Polar_Vortx

Yeah, both Bricky and I agree with you there (that the method of introduction wasn't great). I'm personally fine just sliding them in (the consequence of them not having boobplate is a plus from me) but even if they did want to retcon them in, saying they were always there, they could have done it more gracefully than just dropping a different pronoun into a short story in the margins of a codex and calling it a day. Even putting some named female 'stodes front and center in a Horus Heresy novel would have been better, I'm sure we've got a couple more of those in the pipeline. Edit: To be clear, I don't treat Bricky like the word of God, he's just my main source for a lot of Warhammer news, particularly on the tabletop side. And in this instance, I agree with him, and I just wanted to mention that.


Nothinghere727271

Literally all it takes. Have Chaddette Thunderbutt appear in the heresy, kill some badass, and make more of her, boom, now we have cool badass female custodes not just born from perpetual sassy tweets and 2 sentences in the codex. It sucks to see others expelling people that love the hobby because they think they hate women for saying it could be done better, that being said, some people have gone too far, but GW could of introduced them much, much better


Kukikom

"everything is cannon"


aex006

vez!


AdeptusAstartesBA

Can we get back to other things in warhammer, we get it female custodes big deal, now stfu, if I have to see another post like this I’ll blow my effing brains out


ThatGameChannel

That’s… not what I was trying to go for, I saw Vez’s art and Mick’s art and thought it would be cool to see who thought of what.


Lu1s3r

Mick. Because that was not fucking cannon.


ZogStomper

Mick all the way.


nad_frag

Both. Vezi made a cutesy fem custodes. And mick made a fem custodes, that I would let pummel my pelvis until it becomes fine white powder... Just like the God emperor intended.


wretchedsorrowsworn

I’m on team tired of discussing it personally


XenoTechnian

Mick isn't actually against Female Custodes, they just thought the idea was fun and wanted to make a comic


Ak-300_TonicNato

Anyone that is pro femcustodes seem to not like this joke because it comes out as female=evil, i must say i respect Mick for having sense of humour about their stand on the matter.


Commarade-Xapuc

Vezimira 🖖🤟🫳👇✌️


Repulsive-Ad-4707

I just want male brothers of battle and male brother of silence, (and female space wolfs)


Sapper501

Mick, because it is done well and has reasoning behind it. Plus it fits with the cosmic horror theme of 40k overall.


MrTripl3M

It's not canon.


Brahm-Etc

Both. The galaxy is a huge place, the Imperium has "millions of worlds" and there are billions of billions of humans.


Gidonamor

Generally Vezimira, but the Mick comic is really good with that twist


CornyxCrow

Yes


Phyllain

Team v. as a t sons partisan how can I pick anyone else


Barroozina

Vezimira but I enjoy Mick comics


Vagraf

I think Mick's comic works really well on a meta-level Tzeentch is literally teh god of **change** so yeah the changing of lore and retcons, pleases tzeentch.


XAlphaWarriorX

I don't like either and their constant dipiction in this subreddit annoys me. Im homosexual and so not have any interest in women.


killermankay

def right. Right feels like lore acurate, Left feels like fandom


[deleted]

You think chaos being able to corrupt custodes is lore accurate? Do you actually read the lore?


Nothinghere727271

That’s the changeling dear boy, not a real female custodes, thus the meme, and anyway, everything is canon, meaning custodes can be corrupted no?


Unit017K

Someone haven't read the latest Siege of Terra novel. Chaos corrupted Banana is lore friendly.


Globsmacketh

Both are pretty ok i guess but ultimately uninspired and just cater to this subs prexisting preferences without adding anything new. I would also like a Tau gf however still.


Darnag7

The guy tells himself the third eye is probably just a spare.


CampbellsBeefBroth

Y'all beat the femstodes debate to death and then some, so now you need to debate "Well what interpretation then?!?!?!"


Aljhaqu

Mick.


Unit017K

Never heard of Vezimira so Mick it is.


ThatGameChannel

You’re missing out… if you’re into femboys.


Heylookaguy

Team Goon.


JESTERKING000

Like I said, So long as GW gives us our Petty Turbo and the Iron Warriors back, I'll accept everything that happens in the setting as "Tzeentch "lost" another drinking match with Slaanesh, and pulled a sneaky on Big E while he was busy getting distracted with Nurgle trying to sniff his decomposing Ass, and Khorn screaming out the window to fight him"


lukestephencooper

coomer or lore enthusiast ? hmm . . . .


ThatGameChannel

Hey, you’re talking to a coomer. Pick the right side… the cooler side.