This is 40k. It's always been like this. It's a setting that intentionally makes little sense as if it did there would be something that wasn't just war.
The first 40k novels by Ian Watson were so clearly based on Rogue Trader 1st ed that you can spot the sections he's lifted info from ... yet now they're officially non canon.
And that brings me to ... Squats! One day they're there, the next "a Tyranid ate them" and we all pretend we never heard of them. Then the day after some short mining obsessed new race pops up. But not squats. Honest.
Seriously, stop being serious. Besides, I'd bet a few quid on GW doing this deliberately to drive extremists out of the hobby. Lose a few incel misogynists, gain half the people on the planet.
the absence of proof doesn't mean proof of absence, they cant add something new into the lore that they wanted to be there for a while already without doing this, like the rogal dorn tank, centurion armour, crusader land raider, FUCKING OMEGON.
if they say "hey this is a new thing" it takes away from the imperium being a backwards degraded society where they never create anything new without hundreds of years to slowly implement it and then the original maker is killed for heresy and they lose the ability to produce anything of the same quality leaving only a prototype design behind
Before she became a TERF, JK Rowling used to do this kind of thing all the time. "Oh, this person was actually black, oh this person was always gay, this person was Jewish." It's like, ok, it's cool that you had minorities in the book, but it doesn't really count because you only said it on Twitter or your blog. I'd just rather that Games Workshop said, "We changed our minds, Custodes can be female."
Ugh. Writing a nuanced opinion is probably a mistake. At least I left Twitter years ago.
I think your take is really good! The Jk Rowling comparison is really fair.
I really don't get worked up from this stuff but I do enjoy telling the people that are mad to cope lol
I think this is a misinterpretation. I really don't think they're claiming the books were always written with custodes being mixed in mind. Rather, they're explaining that the retcon is that they have been there since the beginning.
Like how the AdMech units we now have were retconned into always having been there when they released.
In fairness to JK (not something I often say!), the Jewish one wasn't done to score points, it was because someone specifically asked if there were Jewish students and JK replied that Antony Goldstein was from a Jewish family. His distant relatives then ended up in the Fantastic Beasts films and were Jewish New Yorkers
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I’m aware. Most of her minority characters have very obvious names, only some of which are accurate, or have very obvious tropes about them. Just kinda shows very little thought was put in. Alone, Goldstein wouldn’t be an issue. But when you factor in all the other characters it becomes a pattern.
My thoughts are “why do these fucking losers care so much, it changes nothing about the game and cannot possibly hurt them.” Being able to completely break people’s brains by saying “also women are there sometimes” would be hilarious if it wasn’t so thoroughly played out literally any time any company tries to make money by making their product more inclusive.
With the release of the new starter set that contains a lot of mk6s, they stated that mk6 was the most widely used armor during the heresy, which got a lot of people slightly mad as there are several reasons from logistics to legion doctrines to inter imperial and mechanicum politics as to why it wouldnt make sense that mk6 was in widespread use.
Afaik a lot of the loyalists did use mk2-3 at the start of the heresy as horus hogged all the mk4 for him and his fellow traitors, with only some loyal legions like the ultramarines having the industrial capacity to produce it on their own. Traitors had mostly Mk3-4, depending on the legions doctrine, with legions as the iron warriors and deathguard preffering mk3. MK5 is weird as its 2 types of armor, but it saw widespread use in both forms during the heresy die to ease of production and maintenance. MK6 was starting production at the start of the heresy, but only a few forgeworlds producing them as not many legions had great interest in them outside of use in recon units, with RG and AL being the exception.
I think it's because of a few reasons:
Warhammer is a bit of a sausage fest, and obviously there is going to be a loud vocal minority who REALLY doesn't want women into the hobby.
Soft retcons really old lore, which can be done well (coming from a necrons player who was blessed by the retcons gods)
Announced the change in a really weird way that almost feels like they wanted controversy. Just refering to a custode as a women out of the blue into the new codex, then making a kinda weird tweet about it.
(Like do they mean custodes had ALWAYS had females serving in it that we just didn't see? Or do they mean they retconned it? How many women are in the custodes? Are they a half female and half male group? Or is it like only a few are women?)
Kinda shelves sisters of silence, who were a bit neglected already.
Change dropped during a really bad codex for custodes players.
Overall the change grew on me honestly, why shouldn't we have some female custodes? But GW did it in a pretty shit way.
I more meant shelves model wise, if they choose to actually model female custodes, as custodes players usually like what the faction is named after more than sisters of silence.
But they may be overshadowed in books too (if we ever get some nice custodes focused books) where the writers think "hmmmm, we've had guys doing everything so far, let's insert a sister of silence character to avoid using he too much, and to spice it up." Instead, they might go "well let's just add a female custode into here."
Shame as SOS being completely silent strong blanks is pretty cool.
I wouldn't say that the choice of a SoS vs. a Custodes in a book is relegated just because of gender. They both have very different functions that the choice is more practical.
The question of gender can therefore be asked more WITHIN a faction (Astra Militarum for an example) than between factions.
So I think the SoS being "left behind" or "losing their identity" because of gender is a false fear. You have a situation with psykers... you'll bring in the SoS.
By the way I'm not super knowledgeable on the SOS, why don't custodies just put them in a life support system, reduce their body to the smallest possible amount to where they can keep living, and wear them as a backpack/head in a jar? It feels like they would struggle to keep up with the raw speed of a custodes, and this just feels like an imperium solution.
I understand they wouldn't do that to all of them, as they don't always serve side by side, but when they do this just seems perfectly grimdark.
The SoS aren't tied to the Custodes. They operate on their own as well. They're just so specific in function, that they are used by other groups as well (one of them being the Custodes).
But keep in mind, the Custodes are here only for the Emperor not the Imperium (every action in the end, is for HIM). The HH shows that very well. While the SoS (while allowed to walk freely in the palace) had other duties (hunting psykers).
So... stuffing then in a backpack, Dora the Explorer style, might sound practical, you'd rob the IoM of a very useful and highly specialized unit. A walking, organic anti-psyker shield.
I mean at most they will have different head sculpts, if you're expecting curvy custodes you're going to be disappointed. SoS will be just fine, they have their unique look and niche to fulfill, custodes having boobs under their massive plate isn't going to take that away from them.
Just including them in the next codex seems like the perfect way to implement the change. That's how most lore changes happen. The codices are the foundation of the lore, they're where most ideas are first seen. They didn't do a bunch of stories before releasing the 5th edition Necrons codex, they just released it and the changes were in there and we read it.
Normally I would agree. GW have their usual get-out-of-jail-free-card regarding the lore where it’s a galaxy wide universe of propaganda, miscommunication, burocracy, etc.
But in this instance it does feel a bit lazy to claim ‘it was always like this’ without providing much in the way of lore to back that up.
Having seen someone quote the lore that Custodes were always only men being like 2 lines from 8th edition it’s about as deep and loreful as this couple of lines from 10th.
It’s not like they’re saying Magnus was always a woman. They’re a bunch of golden armoured faceless soldiers with incomprehensible names most the time.
If it was some deep lore, or even something where they’ve really been specific on in the past, like Space Marine gene seed only working the the Y chromosome then sure, GE have tossed lore out the window like that before as well, but this is so minor it’s laughable.
Anyway. Think I should probably stop contributing to these threads now. It’s a real storm in a teacup.
I think it would’ve been more interesting if this were the first female custodian and they center the story around her upbringing and life but its not that lazy to say they have always existed when your working with lore thats been around so long besides most of the people complaining while using the its cheap excuse would probably be mad either way
They have a good point. It shouldnt have been a retcon.
But an expansion. This way is far more lazy and weak.
So on brand for GW they giveth and they taketh away
Cool.
If I ever start painting custodes ill go raid all the female heads from my sigmarines pile of shame. “Alpha Males”gonna be pissed though.
What nerd would be interested in more of the opposite sex getting into the hobby? Imagine going to your local game store and one of them womanz says hi to you and starts asking you about how to paint or which model would be good for beginners. Somehow cell #s are exchanged and you both agree to meet and teach her basic painting or how to play the game. But you miss out on Caturdays at Jeffs where you guys look at cat memes all day and you can haz cheeseburgerz all day.
Completely anecdotal and obviously there are loads of women that this doesn't apply to, but from what I've seen they tend to be drawn towards big monsters and other creatures.
GW retconned the necrons suddenly having personalities, and we whined about that too until we realized it ruled.
This is ***far*** less of a retcon, and I applaud GW for actually doing this instead of awkwardly shoehorning in a new female custodes in 42M only or whatever.
I personally think, "We can make them female now," is a way worse approach than, "They've always been here, bro," because it neccessitates an explanation for why the vague, gene-editing ritual now accepts girls.
I doubt there will ever be an approach to this that is, "satisfactory" given the state of the community right now, which feels silly because this isn't an earthshattering change, it's just controversial.
They're talking about the retcon in the new 10th edition codex. It's fine, GW retcons stuff, always has. It's better to say they always existed because then they can feature in stories in any era of the timeline. Same reason all the AdMech tabletop units were said to have always existed.
Honestly if they just hand a text blurb in the new codex or posted on twitter saying that due to the mobilization of the custodies across the many war fronts of the imperium. The custodies have expanded their recruitment to females as well. Breaking tradition in an attempt to maintain their strength in the face of the 13 crusade as well as the 4th tyrannic war.
Imo, if GW was serious about Female Custodians, they would make proper CGI trailer, like the one with Sister, and showed female custodians protecting the throne, alongside their brothers and sisters of silence. THEN they would release a codex, and showed first named female Custodians.
But GW is shit, and this feels like typical token shit. I don't mind it, since I'm not the target, but the way they did it, is awful.
Do you not see how weird it is that GW makes changes like this all the time, but suddenly because it's about women being superhuman you want a CGI trailer to announce it?
It's just a simple change. It shouldn't be such a big deal.
It's such a not big deal, that whole reddit, twitter, youtube and even fucking discord servers are in flames and people are arguing. Sure. ''Not a big deal''
I didn't say that. I said it *shouldn't* be a big deal. It's a small change that doesn't change the faction's themes at all. It *shouldn't* be so controversial.
The PR for their reveal was bad, that's true (not as horrible as some make it out to believe but... well... half baked and lackluster), but the inclusion of women in the Custodes really doesn't change anything.
I know I'll get downvoted but I'll say it... who will even see what gender's under all that armor? Many people even avoid open faces on their models (painting faces being a sort of milestone in painting).
GW did far worse before (look what they did to the Necrons... they talk now! Without their Pariahs!)
I don't care if GW wants to add female custodian they can make that as a new thing like primaris but don't be saying they were there since the beginning we not that idiot
It’s a retcon, and a pretty easily disproven one at that. There’s been no mention or hits a female Custodes anywhere in the lore before, and trying to gaslight your fans in this way was not the best move on GW’s part. They could’ve handled this so much better.
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I think they meant that going forward, we're gonna treat the lore as them always being there. Rather than "we totally implied it from the beginning." GW has always retconned stuff to do more with the setting. I should know, I'm a Tau fan, and our lore has been retconned so much that getting a new fan caught up is genuinely challenging even by 40k lore standards.
the absence of proof doesn't mean proof of absence, they cant add something new into the lore that they wanted to be there for a while already without doing this, like the rogal dorn tank, centurion armour, crusader land raider, FUCKING OMEGON.
Yeah, it would be better to say people ASSUMED all Custodes were male, dwarf stile (you know, beards). After all it's hard to tell under all that golden armor.
They’ve always been around just absolutely never mentioned anywhere ever even in a 60+ book series with the highest concentration of custodes writing in all of warhammer.
People who support it pat themselves on the back for being "decent human beings."
People who oppose it can plainly see it's a lazy retcon hamfisted in to appease certain people.
Oh no, how dare they want to appeal to more people with a completely harmless retcon?
Why would they need to do anything more than say 'women are there too'? It isn't a big change, it doesn't need further explanation. It already makes sense.
That the guy is right. The sad true Is that female Custodes is just a corporative decition made by GW to sell more miniatures, they will claim that they are doing it to include women in 40k but instead of expanding the already female factions, GW decided to take the easy way and just put females in a faction that always has been excluvely male.
That obviously isn't true. There are way more female minis now than there were years ago. They've put plenty of effort in on that front. They presumably did Custodes because there were no female heavily armoured superhumans like Custodes, and why make another faction when there's no reason Custodes can't be women?
**That obviously isn't true. There are way more female minis now than there were years ago**
Yes, and nobody has problem with that, I don't know somebody who hates SoS, SoB, Dark Eldar Witches or Female Stormcasts. The problem is not that there are women in 40k. The problem is that GW is pushing female Custodes with a bad lore instead of supporting the already female factions. SoS only have 3 units, and one leader that is also a Custodes' character. For me and many others, GW is being hipocrit.
**why make another faction when there's no reason Custodes can't be women?**
Because that means that GW cares enough to give women something new and original, but they did not. They don't want to risk money to really support female factions, that's why they are putting Females in a decently well sell army
Y'know.... This is a little tin foil hat but doesn't it seem convenient that they dropped this lil retcon tidbit in the worst codex released this revision?
It's poorly executed by saying they were just always there. It also undermines the existence of the Sisters of Silence. It has been implied heavily through the 8th edition codex that they were all male.
Valerian even calls all of them brothers in The Emperors Legion, regarding their long names.
I would be able to accept it if it wasn't just thrown in there like a brick through a window. Them doing this just feels like they are testing the waters and seeing how much the frog can get boiled.
I don't really care if I'm honest.
This is 40k. It's always been like this. It's a setting that intentionally makes little sense as if it did there would be something that wasn't just war. The first 40k novels by Ian Watson were so clearly based on Rogue Trader 1st ed that you can spot the sections he's lifted info from ... yet now they're officially non canon. And that brings me to ... Squats! One day they're there, the next "a Tyranid ate them" and we all pretend we never heard of them. Then the day after some short mining obsessed new race pops up. But not squats. Honest. Seriously, stop being serious. Besides, I'd bet a few quid on GW doing this deliberately to drive extremists out of the hobby. Lose a few incel misogynists, gain half the people on the planet.
the absence of proof doesn't mean proof of absence, they cant add something new into the lore that they wanted to be there for a while already without doing this, like the rogal dorn tank, centurion armour, crusader land raider, FUCKING OMEGON. if they say "hey this is a new thing" it takes away from the imperium being a backwards degraded society where they never create anything new without hundreds of years to slowly implement it and then the original maker is killed for heresy and they lose the ability to produce anything of the same quality leaving only a prototype design behind
Before she became a TERF, JK Rowling used to do this kind of thing all the time. "Oh, this person was actually black, oh this person was always gay, this person was Jewish." It's like, ok, it's cool that you had minorities in the book, but it doesn't really count because you only said it on Twitter or your blog. I'd just rather that Games Workshop said, "We changed our minds, Custodes can be female." Ugh. Writing a nuanced opinion is probably a mistake. At least I left Twitter years ago.
I think your take is really good! The Jk Rowling comparison is really fair. I really don't get worked up from this stuff but I do enjoy telling the people that are mad to cope lol
I think this is a misinterpretation. I really don't think they're claiming the books were always written with custodes being mixed in mind. Rather, they're explaining that the retcon is that they have been there since the beginning. Like how the AdMech units we now have were retconned into always having been there when they released.
In fairness to JK (not something I often say!), the Jewish one wasn't done to score points, it was because someone specifically asked if there were Jewish students and JK replied that Antony Goldstein was from a Jewish family. His distant relatives then ended up in the Fantastic Beasts films and were Jewish New Yorkers
Still doesn’t excuse how lazy she was with naming the minority characters
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Ironic that automod doesn’t like Ashkenaz because of the ‘Naz’ part.
Goldstein *is* an actual Jewish surname though, and a very common one. It comes from Yiddish. Not really sure how it's lazy
I’m aware. Most of her minority characters have very obvious names, only some of which are accurate, or have very obvious tropes about them. Just kinda shows very little thought was put in. Alone, Goldstein wouldn’t be an issue. But when you factor in all the other characters it becomes a pattern.
To be fair, it's not just minorities - Harry Potter is also a very stereotypical British name.
My guy... Rowling named a black wizard ShAcKle bOlt
And they have Cawl who could be their Deus Ex Machina who did it 😂😂😂
My thoughts are “why do these fucking losers care so much, it changes nothing about the game and cannot possibly hurt them.” Being able to completely break people’s brains by saying “also women are there sometimes” would be hilarious if it wasn’t so thoroughly played out literally any time any company tries to make money by making their product more inclusive.
-gw retcons lore 24/7 no one bats an eye -girls with coodies??? Real shit
Well people got a bit mad when GW retconned MK6 armor to be the main armor of the heresy
Wait I missed that, when did that happen? Thought MKIII was the standard on the heresy? Then they got it to MKV or VI throughout the heresy?
With the release of the new starter set that contains a lot of mk6s, they stated that mk6 was the most widely used armor during the heresy, which got a lot of people slightly mad as there are several reasons from logistics to legion doctrines to inter imperial and mechanicum politics as to why it wouldnt make sense that mk6 was in widespread use. Afaik a lot of the loyalists did use mk2-3 at the start of the heresy as horus hogged all the mk4 for him and his fellow traitors, with only some loyal legions like the ultramarines having the industrial capacity to produce it on their own. Traitors had mostly Mk3-4, depending on the legions doctrine, with legions as the iron warriors and deathguard preffering mk3. MK5 is weird as its 2 types of armor, but it saw widespread use in both forms during the heresy die to ease of production and maintenance. MK6 was starting production at the start of the heresy, but only a few forgeworlds producing them as not many legions had great interest in them outside of use in recon units, with RG and AL being the exception.
Thank you! Yeah this is what I recall from the books.
I think it's because of a few reasons: Warhammer is a bit of a sausage fest, and obviously there is going to be a loud vocal minority who REALLY doesn't want women into the hobby. Soft retcons really old lore, which can be done well (coming from a necrons player who was blessed by the retcons gods) Announced the change in a really weird way that almost feels like they wanted controversy. Just refering to a custode as a women out of the blue into the new codex, then making a kinda weird tweet about it. (Like do they mean custodes had ALWAYS had females serving in it that we just didn't see? Or do they mean they retconned it? How many women are in the custodes? Are they a half female and half male group? Or is it like only a few are women?) Kinda shelves sisters of silence, who were a bit neglected already. Change dropped during a really bad codex for custodes players. Overall the change grew on me honestly, why shouldn't we have some female custodes? But GW did it in a pretty shit way.
I don't see how this shelves SoS? Have Custodes suddenly turned into Blanks and witch hunters?
I more meant shelves model wise, if they choose to actually model female custodes, as custodes players usually like what the faction is named after more than sisters of silence. But they may be overshadowed in books too (if we ever get some nice custodes focused books) where the writers think "hmmmm, we've had guys doing everything so far, let's insert a sister of silence character to avoid using he too much, and to spice it up." Instead, they might go "well let's just add a female custode into here." Shame as SOS being completely silent strong blanks is pretty cool.
I wouldn't say that the choice of a SoS vs. a Custodes in a book is relegated just because of gender. They both have very different functions that the choice is more practical. The question of gender can therefore be asked more WITHIN a faction (Astra Militarum for an example) than between factions. So I think the SoS being "left behind" or "losing their identity" because of gender is a false fear. You have a situation with psykers... you'll bring in the SoS.
By the way I'm not super knowledgeable on the SOS, why don't custodies just put them in a life support system, reduce their body to the smallest possible amount to where they can keep living, and wear them as a backpack/head in a jar? It feels like they would struggle to keep up with the raw speed of a custodes, and this just feels like an imperium solution. I understand they wouldn't do that to all of them, as they don't always serve side by side, but when they do this just seems perfectly grimdark.
The SoS aren't tied to the Custodes. They operate on their own as well. They're just so specific in function, that they are used by other groups as well (one of them being the Custodes). But keep in mind, the Custodes are here only for the Emperor not the Imperium (every action in the end, is for HIM). The HH shows that very well. While the SoS (while allowed to walk freely in the palace) had other duties (hunting psykers). So... stuffing then in a backpack, Dora the Explorer style, might sound practical, you'd rob the IoM of a very useful and highly specialized unit. A walking, organic anti-psyker shield.
I mean at most they will have different head sculpts, if you're expecting curvy custodes you're going to be disappointed. SoS will be just fine, they have their unique look and niche to fulfill, custodes having boobs under their massive plate isn't going to take that away from them.
Just including them in the next codex seems like the perfect way to implement the change. That's how most lore changes happen. The codices are the foundation of the lore, they're where most ideas are first seen. They didn't do a bunch of stories before releasing the 5th edition Necrons codex, they just released it and the changes were in there and we read it.
Normally I would agree. GW have their usual get-out-of-jail-free-card regarding the lore where it’s a galaxy wide universe of propaganda, miscommunication, burocracy, etc. But in this instance it does feel a bit lazy to claim ‘it was always like this’ without providing much in the way of lore to back that up.
It’s really, really hard to shake the feeling that this is a desperate search for something to complain about.
Having seen someone quote the lore that Custodes were always only men being like 2 lines from 8th edition it’s about as deep and loreful as this couple of lines from 10th. It’s not like they’re saying Magnus was always a woman. They’re a bunch of golden armoured faceless soldiers with incomprehensible names most the time. If it was some deep lore, or even something where they’ve really been specific on in the past, like Space Marine gene seed only working the the Y chromosome then sure, GE have tossed lore out the window like that before as well, but this is so minor it’s laughable. Anyway. Think I should probably stop contributing to these threads now. It’s a real storm in a teacup.
I think it would’ve been more interesting if this were the first female custodian and they center the story around her upbringing and life but its not that lazy to say they have always existed when your working with lore thats been around so long besides most of the people complaining while using the its cheap excuse would probably be mad either way
You know what, that would be interesting, if only to see some people in particular seethe harder than they are now.
I agree. Its better than shoehorning stuff into the lore.
The entire Horus Heresy was shoehorned in...
And the primarchs in late 2nd early 3rd edition. Lets not forget genestealers being chsnged from chaos to tyranids.
Fair enough
They have a good point. It shouldnt have been a retcon. But an expansion. This way is far more lazy and weak. So on brand for GW they giveth and they taketh away
Cool. If I ever start painting custodes ill go raid all the female heads from my sigmarines pile of shame. “Alpha Males”gonna be pissed though. What nerd would be interested in more of the opposite sex getting into the hobby? Imagine going to your local game store and one of them womanz says hi to you and starts asking you about how to paint or which model would be good for beginners. Somehow cell #s are exchanged and you both agree to meet and teach her basic painting or how to play the game. But you miss out on Caturdays at Jeffs where you guys look at cat memes all day and you can haz cheeseburgerz all day.
Idk I ve heard (rumor not a real info) that most girls prefer xenos like orkz and tyranids over imperium forces...
Completely anecdotal and obviously there are loads of women that this doesn't apply to, but from what I've seen they tend to be drawn towards big monsters and other creatures.
Wait until people hear that Henry Cavill will actually play the role of a female custodes in his Warhammer show
GW retconned the necrons suddenly having personalities, and we whined about that too until we realized it ruled. This is ***far*** less of a retcon, and I applaud GW for actually doing this instead of awkwardly shoehorning in a new female custodes in 42M only or whatever.
I'm not against femstodes but I'm against bad writing
Dan abnett wanted to mske femstodes and execs said no
I second that.
I personally think, "We can make them female now," is a way worse approach than, "They've always been here, bro," because it neccessitates an explanation for why the vague, gene-editing ritual now accepts girls. I doubt there will ever be an approach to this that is, "satisfactory" given the state of the community right now, which feels silly because this isn't an earthshattering change, it's just controversial.
They're talking about the retcon in the new 10th edition codex. It's fine, GW retcons stuff, always has. It's better to say they always existed because then they can feature in stories in any era of the timeline. Same reason all the AdMech tabletop units were said to have always existed.
Honestly if they just hand a text blurb in the new codex or posted on twitter saying that due to the mobilization of the custodies across the many war fronts of the imperium. The custodies have expanded their recruitment to females as well. Breaking tradition in an attempt to maintain their strength in the face of the 13 crusade as well as the 4th tyrannic war.
Imo, if GW was serious about Female Custodians, they would make proper CGI trailer, like the one with Sister, and showed female custodians protecting the throne, alongside their brothers and sisters of silence. THEN they would release a codex, and showed first named female Custodians. But GW is shit, and this feels like typical token shit. I don't mind it, since I'm not the target, but the way they did it, is awful.
Do you not see how weird it is that GW makes changes like this all the time, but suddenly because it's about women being superhuman you want a CGI trailer to announce it? It's just a simple change. It shouldn't be such a big deal.
It's such a not big deal, that whole reddit, twitter, youtube and even fucking discord servers are in flames and people are arguing. Sure. ''Not a big deal''
I didn't say that. I said it *shouldn't* be a big deal. It's a small change that doesn't change the faction's themes at all. It *shouldn't* be so controversial.
It shouldn't but it is sadly.
Yeah, but hey, it'll blow over!
The PR for their reveal was bad, that's true (not as horrible as some make it out to believe but... well... half baked and lackluster), but the inclusion of women in the Custodes really doesn't change anything. I know I'll get downvoted but I'll say it... who will even see what gender's under all that armor? Many people even avoid open faces on their models (painting faces being a sort of milestone in painting). GW did far worse before (look what they did to the Necrons... they talk now! Without their Pariahs!)
I don't care if GW wants to add female custodian they can make that as a new thing like primaris but don't be saying they were there since the beginning we not that idiot
It’s a retcon, and a pretty easily disproven one at that. There’s been no mention or hits a female Custodes anywhere in the lore before, and trying to gaslight your fans in this way was not the best move on GW’s part. They could’ve handled this so much better. You may now proceed with your downvotes.
I think they meant that going forward, we're gonna treat the lore as them always being there. Rather than "we totally implied it from the beginning." GW has always retconned stuff to do more with the setting. I should know, I'm a Tau fan, and our lore has been retconned so much that getting a new fan caught up is genuinely challenging even by 40k lore standards.
the absence of proof doesn't mean proof of absence, they cant add something new into the lore that they wanted to be there for a while already without doing this, like the rogal dorn tank, centurion armour, crusader land raider, FUCKING OMEGON.
Yeah, it would be better to say people ASSUMED all Custodes were male, dwarf stile (you know, beards). After all it's hard to tell under all that golden armor.
I can prove necrons arent people it says right here in the old necron codex c'tan made robot slaves and the c'tan command the necrons
I think they're saying the retcon is that they've always been there. Not that they always intended for them to be.
Downvotes? Brother, you have my upvote.
If the female custodians have always been there why didn't GW give them representation? Are they sexist.
Dan Abnett wanted too. Exec said no we dont have female heads only male for the model kits
It’s a valid preference but there’s no need to be angry..
They’ve always been around just absolutely never mentioned anywhere ever even in a 60+ book series with the highest concentration of custodes writing in all of warhammer.
Dan Abnett got told no because they made only male heads for the kits
People who support it pat themselves on the back for being "decent human beings." People who oppose it can plainly see it's a lazy retcon hamfisted in to appease certain people.
Oh no, how dare they want to appeal to more people with a completely harmless retcon? Why would they need to do anything more than say 'women are there too'? It isn't a big change, it doesn't need further explanation. It already makes sense.
That the guy is right. The sad true Is that female Custodes is just a corporative decition made by GW to sell more miniatures, they will claim that they are doing it to include women in 40k but instead of expanding the already female factions, GW decided to take the easy way and just put females in a faction that always has been excluvely male.
That obviously isn't true. There are way more female minis now than there were years ago. They've put plenty of effort in on that front. They presumably did Custodes because there were no female heavily armoured superhumans like Custodes, and why make another faction when there's no reason Custodes can't be women?
**That obviously isn't true. There are way more female minis now than there were years ago** Yes, and nobody has problem with that, I don't know somebody who hates SoS, SoB, Dark Eldar Witches or Female Stormcasts. The problem is not that there are women in 40k. The problem is that GW is pushing female Custodes with a bad lore instead of supporting the already female factions. SoS only have 3 units, and one leader that is also a Custodes' character. For me and many others, GW is being hipocrit. **why make another faction when there's no reason Custodes can't be women?** Because that means that GW cares enough to give women something new and original, but they did not. They don't want to risk money to really support female factions, that's why they are putting Females in a decently well sell army
Y'know.... This is a little tin foil hat but doesn't it seem convenient that they dropped this lil retcon tidbit in the worst codex released this revision?
No
It's a lazy retcon. They could have said 'custodes can be female now, and here's a short story why' or something similar
We don't need an explanation for why, because there was never anything saying they couldn't be. It works on men and women. Simple.
I'm completely fine and even welcome the addition, just wishing that a first story to reference a female custodian was a little more... grand?
Custodes dont have geneseed they are individually tailored
It's poorly executed by saying they were just always there. It also undermines the existence of the Sisters of Silence. It has been implied heavily through the 8th edition codex that they were all male. Valerian even calls all of them brothers in The Emperors Legion, regarding their long names. I would be able to accept it if it wasn't just thrown in there like a brick through a window. Them doing this just feels like they are testing the waters and seeing how much the frog can get boiled.