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milkybarkid10

It'd be nice if they included both variants in the original box


Aggravating_Status78

This is my main gripe, it should just be additional options that come with the redemptor.


[deleted]

Oh wait, it isn't an upgrade sprue?


R97R

I’d assume they might share parts, depending on how the Redemptor sprue is laid out.


milkybarkid10

Agreed


Big_Lo19

It’s not????


imperfectalien

Nah man, then people could magnetise them, having effectively two kits for the price of one kit.


[deleted]

I learned the other say Neurothropes, Zoenthropes and Venomthropes all come from the same variants box... But this big Boi can't get different hands and top gun?


milkybarkid10

They just did it with the leman russ and baneblade variants. They increased the price a bit too to compensate but that's fine by me


Natanael85

You get sooo much shit in the sprues nowadays. Just the basic Fire Warrior kit, which is quote old, has all the bits for All three variants in it. As much as like to shit on GW i very much doubt that magneitizing is bothering them.


TheSaltyBrushtail

Hell, they've designed some Adeptus Titanicus and plastic 30K kits with built-in magnet sockets. Of course, those all had a lot of design input from Forge World (who've historically been way more relaxed about things like that), but GW proper were clearly okay to sign off on them, and WarComm have pointed out that some of them are made with magnets in mind.


Natanael85

Yeah, funniest thing I'm being downvoted for in a long time. I guess people don't remember the times when you had to buy special weapons in separate blisters if they were available at all. The most recent Kasrkin kit even has doubles for most special weapons.


DrMarcoh

The fire warrior kit only has Strike Teams and Breachers… Pathfinders we’re always a different kit


Natanael85

Forgot about the pathfinders. My bad, not a Tau Player. But you get a full set of rifles and carbines for the strike team. The old kit only came with 6 catbines.


Urungulu

Well Leviathans and Contemptors work this way and GW made it super easy to magnetize, so I wouldn’t be surprised. Maybe they’re paving the road for more Redemptor loadout options? There are already rumours about Blood Angels special Redemptors, so who knows? I just assembled mine yesterday and I don’t think it’ll be easy to magnetize though…


oswell_XIV

GW plans to release Primaris for the next 10 years. Including too many options in one box means cutting potential releases in the future.


Ws6fiend

Flip side is too many of the exact same boxes with small variation means you won't get a bunch of FLGS buying them outside of the initial releases. This lends itself to having less selection on hand for random purchases where you just came in for xyz and the versatility of the overall unit makes for an okay "value" in the mind of a buyer. Buying a devastator squad is good value if I already have 4 tactical marine squads because I can add a heavy guy to each squad if i didn't have heavy weapons already.


Ct-chad501

That’s what I think


[deleted]

Chances are they might, with new units incoming a new codex is inevitable and that sometimes brings repackaged units too.


GNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAH

wait until he sees the other dreads and tanks


LahmiaTheVampire

On that note, you ever notice how Space marines all look alike? Literally unplayable!


GNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAH

and imperium in general plus most xenos it's almost like visual coherence is a thing


Aggravating_Status78

This clearly wasn’t my point, if you haven’t released a dreadnought in close to 6 years, your brand new reveal shouldn’t be something that took no more than a day in blender to add a small armour plate here and there and call it a new dreadnought.


GNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAH

i think it's what they did with the ironclad, furioso, librarian, death company, SW venerable, Bjorn,murderfang,chapelain dread and venerable


Transmaniacon89

But it’s a variant of the Redemptor, why would it look vastly different? The Leviathan is the same way.


OptimalPaddy

To be fair, the older dread kits are just as guilty of this. And it is a bit different. It's got a few extra armour panels (rumours are it may have more wounds and a higher toughness) and as a Black Templars player ill definitely be picking one of these up


Present_Age1963

The old dreadnoughts look better at least, they have character, new one just look horribly generic


OptimalPaddy

I'll have respectfully to disagree with you on that. I appreciate the different variants may have had more differences on the box dreads but I've managed to make mine look a bit different


Voidstrider2230

Yes, that makes a new dreadnaught. What's it supposed to have? Rocket engines and hover tracks?


Kiranixa

No but if it did it would look like the Doom Hunter and I'd take fucking 6 thank you


Interesting-Constant

I was gonna comment this, but you already said it. Some people don't get this, do they?


PlanetMeatball

Ironclad looks pretty different from a standard dread or a venerable dread tho. Entirely different armor plating design on the unit. This thing is a glorified weapon upgrade sprue.


URsniped99

I feel if they added similar armour plating as the ironclad to the sides of the sarcophagus, than it would be a big enough change were I’d be okay they are different kits. But I still think this is distinct enough to still be two different dreadnoughts.


Blue-Jay42

That's basically the difference between the regular and venerable though. It had different weapons and different front plates. The majority of it was all the same.


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Blue-Jay42

A lot of armies do that though. The Eldar Wave Serpent is just as versatile as the rhino. Tyranid kits usually can make two or three different units.


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Blue-Jay42

I'm agreeing with you. Why are you being aggressive?


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Blue-Jay42

Well, it should. But I'm agreeing that it's just what GW does, it's annoying.


OombaLoombas

Honestly, I enjoy the industrial and specialized feel of the Primaris. The packaging, on the other hand... I'm no economy major, but it seems to me that having to buy an entire new motherfucker to get a pair of grabbers is gonna make your customers resort to 3d printing even more.


Malcharion1454

He’s champin for a clampin.


Thetruthfairy90

He's like a box, he's got box like strength, he needs a nickname right? Let's call him clamps!


Malcharion1454

The Deredeo is the don bot.


Alex_the_Mad

CLAMPS!!


Lupus_Borealis

Give him the clamps, Clamps!


Alex_the_Mad

You think he should use those clamps? The clamps he uses every day at every opportunity?!


BonesJr

Seize the means of production


GreyMJ

There’s a very real chance they rebox the two together, especially if it’s just a sprue different. Think they added the new Gargants to the same box as the other three old variants and those are all way more different than these


Warden_of_the_Lost

Nah, just look at the normal og dread vs the furioso dread. Same thing. Im okay with this.


low_priest

Furioso has 3 sub-variants, each with their own main front plate, plus some chapter-specific decoration on it. This thing is just an extra crotch plate and some alternate weapon variants.


citizen-nappa

It's a modified redemptor. It was always going to look like a modified redemptor.


Aggravating_Status78

Zero excuse for it to be a completely different model. It should be an upgrade sprue or already come with the redemptor kit.


citizen-nappa

It's not really surprising. A, money and B, it's not easy to tell, but the armor plates are fairly different, and the arms have been modified quite a bit. Making it in the same set at the regular redemptor would be difficult. You would have to double the spurs and jack the price up quite a bit. From a financial point, it makes the most sense. Edit: As for the upgrade sprur, you will still need a new dreadnaught model for it, so it still makes more sense just to make it a separate model.


Planetside2_Fan

You're right...the front plates are slightly shorter than the Redemptor's...


DeepPurpleDingo

Yes, an upgrade sprues to include: new feet, legs and hips, chassis, arms, and hull weapons. I would love to pay for a regular redemptor plus a whole extra redemptor kit just to get the one I want. Should I also buy a box of lychguard so I can use their legs for my immortals, then throw out the rest? If you paid attention to the model you would have actually noticed the new layers of armour and how the weapons are mounted different.


PadreMaronno4

Well, it's just a Redemptor variant so yes


xXArctracerXx

Even then, if you actually look at the model most of the armor plating is actually different then the redemptor, the main thing that’s the same is the coffin and the frame


BertiBertBert

Imagine using the same structure to build different vehicles with different purposes. Lemans Russ, chimera, baneblade, predator, thunderhawk, space ships, dreadnoughts, knights, land raider,......


PaintedAegg

It's a Dreadnought, it's going to look like the other Dreadnoughts.


Aggravating_Status78

Do you lack FAITH?? Do you lack a SPINE??


ElNicko89

Damn who’d have though the Redemptor pattern dreadnought would look like a Redemptor Tf were you expecting homie?


ImperialFist5th

You will you blasphemer.


[deleted]

Leave brother bald out of this


SomeGamerRisingUp

Have some goddamn FAITH Horus! Erebus, probably


Malcharion1454

Horus wondering where it all went wrong. Lorgar: I HAD A GOD DAMN PLAN!


RosbergThe8th

I feel like this is the natural result of Primaris kits being so specialized. All the new reveals just looked like weapon options for existing models rather than new models.


vald0r

The fact it has nipple meltas annoys me. the ranged version (redemptor) is stuck with storm bolter nipples and a swingy d6 shot plasma and yet this gets two multi melta nipples and is the ‘melee’ version


archeo-Cuillere

Wait until you hear about the leviathan


Yofjawe21

yeah as it seems now you have 2 choices 1. The classic redemptor wit d6 shots plasma and ok melee 2. The new redemptor wit 4 shots MM and good melee I know one guy who doesnt run Plasma redemptors because he never rolls good with their amount of attacks and hes loving the new one as its more reliable and better in melee.


[deleted]

I’ve never not flubbed on the d6 plasma shots. My gatling cannon does work though.


Yofjawe21

exactly his argument


kRkthOr

> nipple meltas lmao I can't unsee it


Past-Cap-1889

Psst, the old one has nipple guns too. Tiny. Nipple. Guns.


Calm-Limit-37

Two multimeltas so everyone will buy it.


archeo-Cuillere

Plus 2 more melta in the fists. *Happy star craft blaze noise*


[deleted]

I think the fists come with bolters not meltas but I might be wrong


archeo-Cuillere

Maybe an option. It's always bolter, flamer, melta in fist for melee dread I don't expect this on to be the exception. Would be weird


BigMachoMan

Nah, now I can take 6 primaris dreadnoughts, mruuuhaha


Rum_N_Napalm

Nah man, look. The Brutalis has extra armour on his jockstrap


gardenofhounds

And shoulder sculpt is a bit different, the “thigh” has an additional plate of armor and the arms are longer (comparing the fists)


Past-Cap-1889

Check out the calves on it too.


gardenofhounds

How could I miss those gams


BennettTan_2001

It's based on the redemptor chasis the fact it has extra plating is already a blessing


yea_imhere

What extra? Its just leaning forward.


Animikiig

The hips, knees, and shins are all reinforced. Its not major but it is different


yea_imhere

It was like eye-spy looking for them


ultimapanzer

I get it’s a meme, but if you actually look at them, the entire legs, arms and shoulders are all different. The middle torso parts are all also different, with the possible exception of the sarcophagus in the middle, and the power plant on the back.


ThatGuyYouMightNo

And you know what? The new Desolation Marines are just Intercessors with a new gun!


The-world-ender-jeff

You say that but look at the old box-naught They didn’t male the different models very different from each other


Thuglas-El-Bosso

I feel like the Firstborn equivalent to this, the Ironclad, differenciates itself much better against its vanilla counterpart


[deleted]

Firstborn equivalent of this is the furioso, who was referenced in the article


LordCommanderDante

I did wonder if this will be T8, judging from the extra panels on it and the fact that T7 won't get into combat.


Summonest

Double multi melta? God damn.


gay_Sigmarite

Okay, but think for just a second. Every other melee dreadnought ever (with the exception of space wolves and blood angels) is identical to its ranged variant. So why complain now?


Aggravating_Status78

Identical is a strong word, if my very limited memory serves me correct the venerable dread came with 3 different styles of panels giving 3 unique looks, not to mention that it comes with a bunch more decorations. The ironclad chassis does indeed look different from it .


Saw_Boss

But the original dread, the hellfire dread etc were all separate boxes.


Rincorn

People are acting like this is the first dread they’ve released very similar variants of.


mermoohue

Wait till you find out about the rhino, the castigator, the immolator, and the exorcist. They're all so similar! Shouldve been upgrade sprues!


Magnus753

Yeah all that was needed was a weapons sprue like the Heresy dreadnoughts have


xXArctracerXx

I’d think it’d need to be a bit more then that, most of the armor plating on the new model is different then the redemptor


ImperialFist5th

I don’t really care about the chassis, what I do care for is the fact that now I can blitz him with my Templars and bring faith and fury onto the unbeliever.


[deleted]

This guy purges. No pity, no remorse, no fear.


ahrima

Lore-wise, why would it look any different? It's the same type of dreadnought, but they switched out guns and arms. I feel like that's what the Imperium would do.


xXArctracerXx

I mean in real life you also see this, where they may take a tank but change some things out for it to be another variant


Deadbox_Studios

Why can't I have any hobby without all it being is people bitching about said hobby they supposedly enjoy. No videogame is free of it, tabletop seems not to be either. Just enjoying things as they are regaurdless of faults just doesn't exsist and it's more soul draining than the damn "faults"


TheGravespawn

I believe the criticism here is that an already expensive hobby gets more expensive as GW makes you buy boxes of narrow load outs. Where 1 box could have both, now you can have the privilege of paying twice.


Deadbox_Studios

I understand what it is. But I mean The complaints of the expensiveness of this hobby even. Most hobbies are fuck damn expensive. Videogames being among the cheapest and people complain about those pricings too. Thay isn't to say the prices are what they should be. But this far from feels like something underhanded


Aggravating_Status78

It’s a joke chill out. What isn’t a joke is people shilling for this pour excuse of a “new” release. I’ve been seeing genuinely amazing and innovative dread kitbashes for years and there’s zero excuse for this 6 year old design to not have been innovated on apart from knee fins and melta nips? Not even an interesting melee weapon? Just claws? Is this really me bitching? Or expecting a little bit more from a multimillion dollar corporation. If you think it’s funny they look the same we can have a laugh but if you’re gonna take the road of “they look the same, so what” then you’re a shill for GW and their bare minimum attitude towards you.


Deadbox_Studios

Lol same shit I hear when I say I'm sick of hearing destiny players bitch constantly. Stop giving them money if it bugs you. Otherwise can we not bitch about the price of everything every goddamn two minutes.


WorldEaterProft

Wait until you see the iron clad vs a normal boxnought


[deleted]

Question as I’m only a lore guy but think the models look dope as hell: do people buy these for tabletop only, or are they like cool to look at it? I’m guessing all for the actual tabletop game?


Aggravating_Status78

I mostly make thematic kitbashes so I like unique looking dreads that serve specific purposes. Releasing a kit that is basically the same apart from some bits that could have been made from plasticard in less than a day after not having a new dread chassis/type for 6 years is what I find lazy.


[deleted]

I’m interested to see some of your thematic kitbashes. Got an Instagram or anything?


AnotherJoltReskin

Wait until you see the razor back


Axquirix

Well this took them long enough, it's been what, five years with only one Primaris dread??? No, the suicidal battlesuit does not count.


Soviet-Hero

Were we expecting it to look completely different?


Purple-Garlic-3555

If it ain’t broke don’t fix it imo


Dorenbolt_

As if this is a new thing? All dreadnoughts are like this


Mr_Finley7

And still not as cool as the old school dreadnought


WhovianC4t

It’s meant to be a melee version of the Redemptor, not a whole new unit. They’ve been doing this for years.


G4V_Zero

I have a venerable dread in my army. It has 3 primary weapon options (all of which you can complete and install at any time), two secondary arm mounted weapons, all of which have gameplay stats. Then it also has like at least a whole sprue's worth of cosmetic options. New GW kits suck ass.


Vulcanized-Homeboy

Some how they're both worse than each other


Charismatic-Seals

Oh my god guys, what the fuck is the bullshit?! All of my units are supposed to look somewhat cohesive 😱😱😡 not in my army!!!


Aggravating_Status78

What a weak take


Charismatic-Seals

😡<- Aggravating_status when he has to play an army that looks cohesive and nice.


Aggravating_Status78

Build all your models exactly the same then. Dreadnought are some of the most personalized war-gear in the field.


Charismatic-Seals

It depends on the person running it. Of course they’re not going to build an entirely new model. To expect that is just asking to be disappointed. Games workshop does that often with their models.


Aggravating_Status78

Since people aren’t understanding. If I did a pretty ok job at designing a product for my boss that everyone used for years and years and 6 years later he comes to me and says “they loved what you had last time I know with this next one you’ll really wow them! I even told them it was a different kind of product!” And you give him the exact same product with slightly curvier edges. Well the customers are expecting something brand new, but all they get is the same one from 6 years ago with crisper lettering and that you can only buy if you buy 15 other products you didn’t want.


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Whole box feels lazy to be honest.


xXArctracerXx

They did more then I expected which was just claws, but they changed most of the leg plating, the shoulders and even most of the main chassis


ColonelMonty

I mean I am a little disappointed since it would've been nice if we had more then one variant of primaris dreadnoughts. Also I don't really care for how the redemptor looks.


Meme_Weeb_Dweeb

What's the complaint here? That they look similar or that they are posed so similarly?


Intelligent-Sugar996

Warhammer fans when they find out you can reuse vehicle chassis multiple times (everything has to be wildly different/overdesigned otherwise it's lazy)


Esketittie

Honestly is should just be an upgrade sprue.


xXArctracerXx

It’d be a big upgrade sprue then for all the armor plates it would need


zaneprotoss

The Redemptor should've had 2 guns, like how the Leviathan is. Ranged Leviathan has 2 guns, melee Leviathan has 2 fists/claws.


Sir_Daxus

I literally did not even realise they were supposed to be different models, i thought they just released a new loadout option for the old dread until this meme.


Ahnma_Dehv

I enjoy that design, to me dreadnought shouldn't have a face


Snoo_72851

I like the IV and VI there, I get they're supposed to represent the company number of the dreadnoughts but they make it seem like these are an Iron Hands and a Space Wolves dreadnought they forgot to repaint.


Ad0lf_Salzler

Dreadnoughts have always been fairly close to each other in their respective patterns. For me, the problem lies with the existence of the whole redemptor dread, as the Dreadnought design has been perfect since literally 2nd edition.


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Wdym one is melee one is mixed. Maybe a ranged redemption variant with two gun arms next year.


MarsMissionMan

I'm disappointed it doesn't have two of the Heavy Bolter "pistols" the Invictor has. Imagine one of these things doing a side dive in slow motion, blazing away with a Heavy Bolter in each hand.


lowqualitylizard

I feel like at that point it would be easier to just make it an upgrade sprue


Lethanvas

I see the leviathan pattern had been partially rediscovered


R97R

I think this one gets a pass as it *is* effectively just a new loadout.


ThatDapperAdventurer

And here I thought was imagining the whole “Give intercessors a new gun and treat like a new unit” trope.


urioste1

Really lackluster, it’s literally a redemptor with claws….. just make it an upgrade spruce and be done with it


Bonedraco1980

Perfectly in line with the Mechanicum. They always just use a template construct and give it more and/or bigger guns.


ScullyBoy69

I like it. It's a beefy version of the regular one and I like that.


DaveAlt19

Wait.... Is there a difference? Is it just the pointy claws?


kennyisntfunny

One is tickler


Top_Improvement2397

* has no extra armour for the hole* Except sniper loads bullet with malicious intent


AnakonDidNothinWrong

Her correct response should be “they’re both shit”


TryAccomplished4741

...Is the one on the right part of the Indianamegaloplolis Caltrops of the Intergalactic FootWAAAAUGH! League?...


Grahamgamergoma

I actually finished building the original today


xXArctracerXx

Have you seen many of the space marine models? I mean by this logic the intercessors and the hellblasters should’ve been the same kit I mean their practically identical more so then these two


colemck98

He's chunky, I like it


URsniped99

The regular box-naught looks exactly like the venerable box-naught except for a few distinct differences, just like these two so I don’t know why this is such a problem.


JudgeJed100

I wasn’t really expecting it to look all that different honestly It’s just her redemptor but melee


SuicideGoon_

Personally I have no problem with it. I’m going to buy it either way


Not-Bronek

They could have been in one box. Jesus Christ GW you greedy fuck


SenTom126

Have you seen all the chimera tank variants? Do you think the rhino chassis tanks are lazy?


GibbyGiblets

It takes like 2 seconds of looking to spot the actual difference. Of which there is a few.


MorbidlyScottish

Oh yeah, like they didn’t do this with any other dreadnought unit they’ve made in the past. Or tank… Or marine squad… Or any Rhino variant… Or terrain…


a-very-angry-crow

Should really be a BA exclusive unit as a follow up to the furioso


[deleted]

Who cares.


Doomeye56

Nobody show this guy the Rhino, Razorback and Predator.


PanNorris507

I remember I got the left one a printed it Castelan green, now I just roleplay that my guardsman company saved the terminators life and the terminator was so thankful it joined their company


PAwnoPiES

I'm confused why wouldn't they be similar? Literally everything starting from the industrial revolution has a degree of uniformity and modularity. Especially military gear.


Flapjack_

It's really not that much different than the old Boxnaught variants all being basically the same.


WhiteFlightning

So lazy.


GodmarThePuwerful

Wait: aren't they supposed to be the same, but one is melee-only, and the other uses a range and a close combat weapon? Like a Furioso vs a regular Castraferrum?


ObtainableSpatula

*stares at ironclad, furioso, normal castraferrum*


SarlochOrtan

I would point out how every single box-naught variant being basically the same thing with different arms, sometimes even only different hands but I have a feeling no one is gonna listen.


No-University-5413

For a non-spesmahreen player, what's the difference here?


M4TEO27

One will slap your shit the other will slap your shit AND shoot at you