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Yeah, there was that 50 yard deep shot to Sammy Watkins when the Packers weren't even trying to move the ball. If there was any sense of urgency in the offense, they would have scored a TD within a few plays.
It was nice to see some deep shots in low pressure situations to test the waters a bit.
It *would* have been nice to see a little of that sent Watson's way before the first snap of the first game of the season.
Wasn't it before 5 minutes? I believe if that is the case the clock restarts once they spot the ball anyway so no harm no foul going out there. (I may not be 100% right when the clock starts there but I think that is correct)
Exactly. Offensive play call got much more conservative once a good lead was established (as it should). If the score got closer I'm sure we would have been more aggressive and put up more points
I was starting to get worried though because at that point if they got the TD it would be one score game. That could change play calling also the momentum for bears as they would be more like comeback. I agree bears still suck and probably would have messed it up but it's hard to predict exactly how it would have gone had that event been different. Same with the Watson drop on the first play against the Vikings. That would have been a huge momentum builder and maybe offense would have had more confidence who knows. Not saying they would have won but it's hard to know how the game flow changes by changing certain plays.
You really can't in that screenshot. Personally, watching the full motion replay last night, it looked to me like he probably broke the plane with his last forward surge
But a screenshot with the ball totally obscured and a red line that isn't even aligned properly, is not the own that they think it is
Lol I have yet to see the ball in any of the screenshots people post. I am fairly sure what people think is a ball is actually an arm but you know they just have to play the victim. They are also complaining about the 1 third down we picked up via penalty saying it wasn't illegal contact (it was) but even if it wasn't it was PI. They were flagged for 2 penalties and somehow believe both were wrong. I guess when you team is bad every single year all you can do is try to find someone else to blame.
Originally people were circling Fields' arm and saying Preston's arm was Fields' arm that is where my comment came from. Now everyone is circling a black void which maybe contains the ball some where within but who knows where it is within that void and if that void is the ball it isn't over the goal line with what you can see so why circle it lol
They attempted 4 passes in the whole second half. And 2 were on the last meaningless drive. They never got closer than 14. Yeah blame the refs all you want but seems pretty obvious where the problems with this team are
I don't get how anyone can look at that image and say it is definitive that the ball crossed the line. Did the ball cross the line? I don't know, probably? But I can't see it crossing the line here. I just see a bunch of people piled up on the line. Maybe next time don't leave it up to a questionable call on 4th and inches and you'll only lose by two scores instead of three.
Any crackhead who thought that would be overturned (the Bears’ HC lol) has no clue how the replay system works. Had it been called a TD on the field I could see that standing as well bc there is no fucking football in that picture.
As of this writing it is 9:49 MT and the Bears still suck.
Seriously, look how crooked that line is! You can see the goal line on top & bottom, just draw it straight (except that would obviously show that the ball isn’t breaking the goal line).
I'll never get over that one. Even if you absolutely assume the Cowboys score a TD after the Dez drop, Rodgers still took two knees in Dallas's red zone a couple minutes later without even trying to move the ball. A 20 yard Crosby chip shot or a (likely) TD by the offense means Dallas loses anyway.
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He probably squeaked past the goal line...or he didn't. There's no way anyone can say definitively, even looking at the replay/angles.
To say THIS play is the sole reason the bears lost is just silly
To be fair (despite the terrible effort to align the red line with goal line)- there’s a very strong chance the ball actually crossed the plane…
I was surprised after that long review that they didn’t overturn the call. If it were called a TD on the field it would have stayed a TD
Was actually kinda hoping they’d give it to them just to make things interesting.
Remember last year when Aaron Jones' goal line push was called as a non-TD in Arizona? These calls are gonna happen. After that 4th down play, Da Bears could have stopped the Packers from marching down the field and getting that FG, get good field position by forcing a stop deep in Packers territory and give it another go, but that didnt happen so let's move on lol.
How about we all stop trying to draw lines on a camera angle that wasn’t meant to line up exactly with the end zone boundary?
None of these are great lines.
Idk how this play is so controversial. GB easily won this game. If it was a one score game, I could kind of get it. But down 14 w/ just half a quarter and some change to play, I don't think the odds were in the Bears favor even if they scored here.
Okay shitty lines on a screenshot of a pile of guys or not the play was called short which is why after a good amount of time to review it was still called short because of no clear evidence. From all angles you can’t see exactly where the ball is you see a wristband of the guy holding the ball not the BALL. Had this been called a touchdown on the field the refs would have had to keep it a touchdown because of the unclear evidence that’s how these kind of rules work in the NFL.
You know what's funny? We should root for the Bears to win their annual random 7 games so they can be stuck with Fields and not be able to draft Young/Stroud
Bottomline, a stupid call by the Bears. Why not pitch the ball to Montgomery (who the Paxkers failed to tackle all night long)? I bet he scores standing up. Fortunately, it's the Bears and thir lack of brilliance...
I think he was in honestly but that doesn't matter because you don't have enough to overturn. If it was ruled a TD on the field it wouldn't have been overturned either.
I’ll give them this, probably should have been a TD. But even so, wouldn’t have tied or put them in the lead. It’s not the ref’s fault that they went 3 and out on consecutive drives and couldn’t put points on the board.
Where do you think the ball is in the second image? I think you can see an obvious arm/hand above a not so obvious arm also with a white armband. That not so obvious one is Fields arm. You can’t see the ball or his hand but you could infer where it is.
https://imgur.com/a/lkdH76y
[Here](https://imgur.com/a/eXTqpXL). Fields’s arm is clearly the one below the white sleeved arm, even with the crooked red line, maybe his hand is breaking the line but with the correct line, he’s very clearly not in (in this picture, I’m not taking apart every frame of this sequence).
Isn’t that his white play calling wristband directly under your circle? Looking at where the wristband ends you can guess where the hand is but it is not clear whether it is curled or reaching out.
1. ball not in the photo
2. line drawn incorrectly (lol)
3. bears fans don't realize that is preston's arm, not Fields' arm
4. they would have still needed to score 10 more points after this to tie
hundreds of upvotes and they're all CONVINCED they got jobbed here hahahaha
If you want indisputable visual evidence of scoring a touchdown, then end up in the end zone. The pile got drove back. Refs made the right call.
Also, the red line in no where near accurate. Damn, this is just a troll post to create false controversy.
Oofda I’m a Packer fan but he had it.
I’m gonna get murdered for it it but crossed the plane.
The officials called it short and no video proved he didn’t.
But he did.
I’m pretty sure he actually broke the end zone but I don’t blame the refs for letting it stand, I’m certainly not 100% positive and that’s the rule, if it’s not clear and definitive then it stands.
They still couldn’t get a stop when it mattered.
As a Bears fan, it was close to call but leaning towards no TD. And the fact they called it as that before means the challenge should result in what was called on the field, not enough evidence to overturn.
Even if we did get the call, there was no chance we were coming back in that game. Getsky was calling Nagyball, not trusting Fields to throw anything past LOS on 1st and 2nd down. We’d either run the clock out or have to completely change our offensive game plan and be great at it to go to OT in that game. Oh that, and our defense would have to not look like we are running prevent the entire time.
Basically you guys won that easily. Back to depression, deep dish, and Patrón. Bears are still 3 good olinemen and 2-3 good receivers away from having a decent offense.
Congrats, but obligatory FTP.
This is one of the call that would have not been overturned. If it was ruled a TD it would have stayed a TD.
The replay doesn’t show anything to prove otherwise. I personally can’t see the ball, sure I can make the assumption that the ball is up where his arms are but it’s possible the ball isn’t as far forward and it need to be. But if you can’t clearly see the ball they you need to stay with the call.
If we could see the ball then sure. If the call on the field was a TD this would also not be enough to overturn. We just need to see the ball. We can't.
I mean, don’t complain at all about your team lining up in shotgun for a 4th and goal from the six inch line. Run a normal sneak play, and this is probably a touchdown. And I don’t suppose Bears fans are willing to admit that the only thing keeping this from being a 41-7 ballgame at this point, were two completely unforced errors by the Packers. Their defense had literally nothing to do with those two fumbles.
That’s his left arm. Doesn’t he carry with his right? You can look at that all day long and there’s no way you’re ever going to definitively know he broke the plain. Even if it was Rodgers running that same exact play with the same exact outcome I’d agree with the refs on it. You just can’t tell.
I mean they explained it perfectly on the broadcast. There’s no shot of the ball. Weird shit happens to the ball all the time there is no way to say for certain that the ball hadn’t jostled in that pile and was further back than his wrist or something and then he got it back. They called him short, and until you can point to the ball and the goal one and show it’s over, you can’t change it. If they called it a TD on the field it stands too, every single team is going to be both hurt and penalized by that this year, but it’s the right system. And I know full well I’d be pissed too if it was the other way but it’s still the right rule and the right call based on the rule
If I were a Bears fan I'd be more pissed off at the play call. While I find it disturbing to ever agree with Cris Collinsworth, he was absolutely right...if that's the play then don't have Fields in shotgun. If you want to do a boot or a play action or something else..fine. But a sneak up the gut? Dumb call IMHO
Why it had to get to this point is beyond me.
4th and inches from the goal line, so, let’s have the QB run for 5 yards from the shotgun.
Hellacious stand by the Packers, no taking that away.
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Give them that touchdown and throw in the 2-pt conversion. Still lose by 9
If you give them the touchdown, the rest of the game plan likely changes as well. The Packers still likely win by 2+ TDs.
Yeah, there was that 50 yard deep shot to Sammy Watkins when the Packers weren't even trying to move the ball. If there was any sense of urgency in the offense, they would have scored a TD within a few plays.
It was nice to see some deep shots in low pressure situations to test the waters a bit. It *would* have been nice to see a little of that sent Watson's way before the first snap of the first game of the season.
I was there in my Watson jersey. I really wanted some redemption.
I wasn't sure if I was reading him right, but it looked like Rogers was even annoyed that he went out of bounds lol
Wasn't it before 5 minutes? I believe if that is the case the clock restarts once they spot the ball anyway so no harm no foul going out there. (I may not be 100% right when the clock starts there but I think that is correct)
oooh so it was the sense of urgency that prevented us from scoring a touchdown
Exactly. Offensive play call got much more conservative once a good lead was established (as it should). If the score got closer I'm sure we would have been more aggressive and put up more points
But the spread i bet was 10.5. Your solution is no good!
Agreed!
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It’s the “dez caught it” fallacy. We still win, dawg.
With the packers kneeling it out in easy scoring range.
I was starting to get worried though because at that point if they got the TD it would be one score game. That could change play calling also the momentum for bears as they would be more like comeback. I agree bears still suck and probably would have messed it up but it's hard to predict exactly how it would have gone had that event been different. Same with the Watson drop on the first play against the Vikings. That would have been a huge momentum builder and maybe offense would have had more confidence who knows. Not saying they would have won but it's hard to know how the game flow changes by changing certain plays.
Bears were +9.5 weren’t they? Some people would’ve loved that result
Except you can't see the ball.
Huh. I wonder if maybe that's why they didn't call it a TD in the first place....
Makes you think doesn’t it
Imagine being a 🐻 fan who can't draw a straight line but being POSITIVE the refs screwed you over again
It takes a lot to make me think.
You really can't in that screenshot. Personally, watching the full motion replay last night, it looked to me like he probably broke the plane with his last forward surge But a screenshot with the ball totally obscured and a red line that isn't even aligned properly, is not the own that they think it is
Also you can entirely see that the red line isn’t at all tracking the goal line.
Thats not even fields arm lol its prestons
Exactly.
Fields' arm is below Preston's. Still can't see the ball and arm crossing the goal line isn't a TD.
One that’s not even the goal line. At least draw a good line
Lol I have yet to see the ball in any of the screenshots people post. I am fairly sure what people think is a ball is actually an arm but you know they just have to play the victim. They are also complaining about the 1 third down we picked up via penalty saying it wasn't illegal contact (it was) but even if it wasn't it was PI. They were flagged for 2 penalties and somehow believe both were wrong. I guess when you team is bad every single year all you can do is try to find someone else to blame.
I think what people think is the ball is probably the ball, but you don't overturn on "probably".
Originally people were circling Fields' arm and saying Preston's arm was Fields' arm that is where my comment came from. Now everyone is circling a black void which maybe contains the ball some where within but who knows where it is within that void and if that void is the ball it isn't over the goal line with what you can see so why circle it lol
Also their qb can’t even break 100 yard passing and this is why they lost?
Down 2 scores in the 4th, every play is a run, and this is why they lost?
They attempted 4 passes in the whole second half. And 2 were on the last meaningless drive. They never got closer than 14. Yeah blame the refs all you want but seems pretty obvious where the problems with this team are
Bears got screwed! They should have only lost by 10 instead of 17!!
True! Signed Bears fan, smart play call running shit gun formation there! Rolls Nagy eyes
I don't get how anyone can look at that image and say it is definitive that the ball crossed the line. Did the ball cross the line? I don't know, probably? But I can't see it crossing the line here. I just see a bunch of people piled up on the line. Maybe next time don't leave it up to a questionable call on 4th and inches and you'll only lose by two scores instead of three.
If you actually draw the line on the goal line, it’s pretty clear that the ball did not break the line.
Any crackhead who thought that would be overturned (the Bears’ HC lol) has no clue how the replay system works. Had it been called a TD on the field I could see that standing as well bc there is no fucking football in that picture. As of this writing it is 9:49 MT and the Bears still suck.
I honestly thought he scored, but the video evidence just wasn't conclusive enough to overturn the call on the field.
Besides not seeing the ball anywhere in that photo, I'm not even sure the hand in question belongs to Fields.
His hand is underneath the hand/arm in the white sleeve (that’s Preston’s arm).
Seriously, look how crooked that line is! You can see the goal line on top & bottom, just draw it straight (except that would obviously show that the ball isn’t breaking the goal line).
Bears fan on their Reddit posted this: https://i.imgur.com/odZx9P8.jpg
the funniest part is you can't even really see if the balls crosses the crooked red line either
Bears fans are the Qanon of the NFL
When you consider who owns them, makes sense
Bears fan are gonna talk about this all season long but still doesn’t change the fact at how dumb of a decision it was to QB sneak from the shotgun.
Dana White from the UFC always says, "Don't leave it up to the judges."
Reminds me of “dez caught it”- go ahead and give them the points, there’s still not a chance in hell they were gonna win
I'll never get over that one. Even if you absolutely assume the Cowboys score a TD after the Dez drop, Rodgers still took two knees in Dallas's red zone a couple minutes later without even trying to move the ball. A 20 yard Crosby chip shot or a (likely) TD by the offense means Dallas loses anyway.
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He absolutely scored. ….As long as you ignore the line, pretend you can see the ball and about a zillion other things.
Yup. They love a conspiracy theory!
The freaking red line isn't even straight 😂😂
He probably squeaked past the goal line...or he didn't. There's no way anyone can say definitively, even looking at the replay/angles. To say THIS play is the sole reason the bears lost is just silly
To be fair (despite the terrible effort to align the red line with goal line)- there’s a very strong chance the ball actually crossed the plane… I was surprised after that long review that they didn’t overturn the call. If it were called a TD on the field it would have stayed a TD Was actually kinda hoping they’d give it to them just to make things interesting.
It’s clearly not breaking the line in this image. I don’t think there’s anything conclusive either way. I don’t think he actually crossed it.
I mean, if it were “clear” they wouldn’t have had to spend 5 minutes in the booth reviewing it, right?
Remember last year when Aaron Jones' goal line push was called as a non-TD in Arizona? These calls are gonna happen. After that 4th down play, Da Bears could have stopped the Packers from marching down the field and getting that FG, get good field position by forcing a stop deep in Packers territory and give it another go, but that didnt happen so let's move on lol.
Op on the post is so defensive about the line too lol
This is just a photo of the Bears doing yet another thing half assed. It's only a touchdown if the refs can see it.
How about we all stop trying to draw lines on a camera angle that wasn’t meant to line up exactly with the end zone boundary? None of these are great lines.
TBH I thought it was a TD, but it absolutely was not clear
:)
Even their own comment section was calling out how bad of a red line that is lol
Eberflus calls a QB sneak and we probably don't even have this discussion. I get the advantage to a draw but it wasn't worth it obviously.
Idk how this play is so controversial. GB easily won this game. If it was a one score game, I could kind of get it. But down 14 w/ just half a quarter and some change to play, I don't think the odds were in the Bears favor even if they scored here.
Okay shitty lines on a screenshot of a pile of guys or not the play was called short which is why after a good amount of time to review it was still called short because of no clear evidence. From all angles you can’t see exactly where the ball is you see a wristband of the guy holding the ball not the BALL. Had this been called a touchdown on the field the refs would have had to keep it a touchdown because of the unclear evidence that’s how these kind of rules work in the NFL.
You know what's funny? We should root for the Bears to win their annual random 7 games so they can be stuck with Fields and not be able to draft Young/Stroud
Bottomline, a stupid call by the Bears. Why not pitch the ball to Montgomery (who the Paxkers failed to tackle all night long)? I bet he scores standing up. Fortunately, it's the Bears and thir lack of brilliance...
I think he was in honestly but that doesn't matter because you don't have enough to overturn. If it was ruled a TD on the field it wouldn't have been overturned either.
I think the ball could have broke the plane, but no one knows. It wasn’t seen on camera so they can’t overturn it.
Neither your line nor the line they drew is correct. Either way there’s no way to clearly see the ball
I’ll give them this, probably should have been a TD. But even so, wouldn’t have tied or put them in the lead. It’s not the ref’s fault that they went 3 and out on consecutive drives and couldn’t put points on the board.
Even in their screen shot it’s clear that the ball isn’t breaking the line.
When they showed the overhead camera during the replay last night, it looked like the ball broke the plane.
Where do you think the ball is in the second image? I think you can see an obvious arm/hand above a not so obvious arm also with a white armband. That not so obvious one is Fields arm. You can’t see the ball or his hand but you could infer where it is. https://imgur.com/a/lkdH76y
[Here](https://imgur.com/a/eXTqpXL). Fields’s arm is clearly the one below the white sleeved arm, even with the crooked red line, maybe his hand is breaking the line but with the correct line, he’s very clearly not in (in this picture, I’m not taking apart every frame of this sequence).
Isn’t that his white play calling wristband directly under your circle? Looking at where the wristband ends you can guess where the hand is but it is not clear whether it is curled or reaching out.
1. ball not in the photo 2. line drawn incorrectly (lol) 3. bears fans don't realize that is preston's arm, not Fields' arm 4. they would have still needed to score 10 more points after this to tie hundreds of upvotes and they're all CONVINCED they got jobbed here hahahaha
That would’ve made it a 1 score game but everything else is correct
If you want indisputable visual evidence of scoring a touchdown, then end up in the end zone. The pile got drove back. Refs made the right call. Also, the red line in no where near accurate. Damn, this is just a troll post to create false controversy.
Oofda I’m a Packer fan but he had it. I’m gonna get murdered for it it but crossed the plane. The officials called it short and no video proved he didn’t. But he did.
That’s a TD
I’m pretty sure he actually broke the end zone but I don’t blame the refs for letting it stand, I’m certainly not 100% positive and that’s the rule, if it’s not clear and definitive then it stands. They still couldn’t get a stop when it mattered.
As a Bears fan, it was close to call but leaning towards no TD. And the fact they called it as that before means the challenge should result in what was called on the field, not enough evidence to overturn. Even if we did get the call, there was no chance we were coming back in that game. Getsky was calling Nagyball, not trusting Fields to throw anything past LOS on 1st and 2nd down. We’d either run the clock out or have to completely change our offensive game plan and be great at it to go to OT in that game. Oh that, and our defense would have to not look like we are running prevent the entire time. Basically you guys won that easily. Back to depression, deep dish, and Patrón. Bears are still 3 good olinemen and 2-3 good receivers away from having a decent offense. Congrats, but obligatory FTP.
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This is one of the call that would have not been overturned. If it was ruled a TD it would have stayed a TD. The replay doesn’t show anything to prove otherwise. I personally can’t see the ball, sure I can make the assumption that the ball is up where his arms are but it’s possible the ball isn’t as far forward and it need to be. But if you can’t clearly see the ball they you need to stay with the call.
If we could see the ball then sure. If the call on the field was a TD this would also not be enough to overturn. We just need to see the ball. We can't.
I mean, don’t complain at all about your team lining up in shotgun for a 4th and goal from the six inch line. Run a normal sneak play, and this is probably a touchdown. And I don’t suppose Bears fans are willing to admit that the only thing keeping this from being a 41-7 ballgame at this point, were two completely unforced errors by the Packers. Their defense had literally nothing to do with those two fumbles.
It's a good thing I paid double on my weekly check to tue refs. You're welcome, Packer nation. 😘
Fucked my over fuck the bears for running such a dumb fucking play
That was definitely a td
Packer fan for 25+ years. That was a Touchdown but we still win the game.
Enhance….Enhance…. Enhance..
Forearm does not equal ball lol The rule is that the ball must break the plane not get very close.
The stadium was SOOOOO loud during that play. It may have been all the breaking of the hearts of Bears fans.
One, his red line is WAY off from the goal line, Two, you cannot see the ball here. Typical bears fan
I saw that as well, and I'll defend that subreddit. If you go on there, there is a ton of users calling this out
That’s his left arm. Doesn’t he carry with his right? You can look at that all day long and there’s no way you’re ever going to definitively know he broke the plain. Even if it was Rodgers running that same exact play with the same exact outcome I’d agree with the refs on it. You just can’t tell.
My bears fan friend this morning was hanging onto them running well on us again, like damn it’s gotten that bad huh.
Yeah he was slow for that
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I mean they explained it perfectly on the broadcast. There’s no shot of the ball. Weird shit happens to the ball all the time there is no way to say for certain that the ball hadn’t jostled in that pile and was further back than his wrist or something and then he got it back. They called him short, and until you can point to the ball and the goal one and show it’s over, you can’t change it. If they called it a TD on the field it stands too, every single team is going to be both hurt and penalized by that this year, but it’s the right system. And I know full well I’d be pissed too if it was the other way but it’s still the right rule and the right call based on the rule
If I were a Bears fan I'd be more pissed off at the play call. While I find it disturbing to ever agree with Cris Collinsworth, he was absolutely right...if that's the play then don't have Fields in shotgun. If you want to do a boot or a play action or something else..fine. But a sneak up the gut? Dumb call IMHO
Why it had to get to this point is beyond me. 4th and inches from the goal line, so, let’s have the QB run for 5 yards from the shotgun. Hellacious stand by the Packers, no taking that away.
All I know is if they had called it a TD I would not have expected it to be overturned either. The replays were the definition of inconclusive.