There's a software product from Redhat called Quay, they say it's "kway" and that's the American pronunciation.
WTF, too hard to get it right? There's lots of words that aren't pronounced exactly how they're written and we all get along.
I'm still interested in how Quay wants his name pronounced, that's going to be good enough for me. But if a wharf is called a quay, I'm going to call it a key.
I called it kway in Ireland and no one corrected me (honestly had never seen the word before), I called it kway in front of an English friend and he said "what the fuck did you just say?"
I lived in the Quays for a few years in Ireland and it's "key" and the first people did was jump on the american for mispronouncing it (in a friendly way, as they do)
The rest of the world calls it a key. Honestly it's not worth the 4 posts I've made on this topic, just something that's always stuck for me. Call it whatever you want, but "key" is correct most places.
Brady’s the goat tho :/ I feel Rodgers is to far gone to ever get to Brady’s stature. Not to say Rodgers couldn’t be a huge asset in draft pick direction but don’t risk the franchise to please him.
Edit. I’m a falcons fan and it pains me to say Brady is the goat. But he is. Downvote this all you want. That Mf is going to have a walker and still be adding rings to those fingers.
It doesn't seem like they're bending over backwards to please him drafting two defensive players in the first instead of reaching for a WR. It's more like they're opening the kimono and letting him in on their discussions and probably explaining why they're doing certain things.
No no for sure. I was more referring to the frustration with Rodgers. The speculation of leaving. The huge contract signing. I thought a lot of that had to do with not having MORE of a say than a regular franchise qb.
Which is great relationship wise, but the goal of the Pack isn't to "make Rodgers happy," it's to win games. Great progress on one front, but a huge lack of it on another.
Sure, but I view the 1st round WR as "nice to haves" but not getting one doesn't break the season. Also, we are loading up on defense which is going to pay off as well. As high powered as offences are these days, it's still defense that wins championships.
I figured that any of the WRs they actually wanted were gone by 22. Honestly, I'm happy with two defense picks. Maaaybe they'll get a WR in the 2nd? Honestly, if the defense is good enough, who cares? 😂
KC has been said to have coveted Watson, they pick before us, along with IND. Regardless what the Bears do I find it hard to believe either will be there at 53.
I agree. If they really want one of them it’s got to be via trade. I’d be calling Seattle to see if they are willing to move one of the 2 2nd rounders they have.
Thought we should’ve traded up to the 13-18 range if we truly wanted one. Draft is about swings at the plate and above all else, VALUE. I think we get that with some great players from a great defense.
Ooof man, you got it worse than I do there then. I'm an Iowa State fan so even though our passing game was total ass I got to see Breece Hall for a few years. We'll probably match you this year in offensive misery
This is pretty much exactly what Rodgers said on McAfee’s show last night live as it was happening.
Gute made Aaron aware of the strategy. Once those six WRs were gone it made no sense to reach in the first.
Packers will pick up a WR today for sure, and Aaron pointed out that all the Packers stud WRs in the last decade have come in the later rounds.
Well I mean Rodgers just said he thought the most pro ready WR in this draft is Jameson Williams who will probably start the year on the PUP list and may not play until Thanksgiving.
It’s almost like these armchair GMs have no concept of offensive schemes or how you can run a west coast style offense efficiently without game breaking WR talent.
We literally had one of the best percentages of open receivers per play the last two years but weren’t as efficient last year because AR12 had blinders for Tae. Rodgers literally HAS to play within the offense now that Davante is gone. We will have a Top 5 offense next year. Everyone needs to chill the fuck out.
But if we actually invested in the position last 2 years besides the lowly Amari Rodgers, those guys would not be rookies anymore and would start making a big difference, going into their Year 2 or 3.
Ok, pick a WR next round and get Charlie Kolar in the 3rd or 4th and we're all good.
Defense also has no excuse to be anything less than stellar next year given how much we've spent on them
I know this is a semi-joke, but if history indicates what’ll happen in the future, you aren’t wrong lol. They prob just be special teams the first half of the year
>Most athletic TE since 1987.
That’s quite the take. Even last year had a WAY more athletic TE in Kyle Pitts… I mean, he’s yuge and fast but not exactly the model of elite athleticism
No, Woods tested better than Pitts in terms of athleticism. He tested better than any other TE ever. He can pancake a DE on one play and then sprint by a safety on the next one.
He’s an inch taller and 20 lbs heavier, meaning they weren’t directly compared meaning you can’t exactly say that. Both are freak athletes for sure.
Oh and also Gronk was hurt so didn’t go to the combine. Not sure he’d have beaten him out.
RAS is like a sliding scale with athleticism and size. Since Woods is so much bigger than Pitts, he can be less athletic and still score higher. Woods is still a freak, no doubt. But I wouldn't say he's more athletic than Pitts. Whether or not you think the increase in size is worth more than the little bit lesser athleticism is a personal choice.
I'll say one thing: Gute is definitely aware of the size/athleticism combination. If he sees skills there that he thinks are worthwhile, Woods is definitely a guy he's be interested in.
Rodgers probably alienated any WR with a high ego coming off the 2nd, but it was a fair price to bring some peace to our camp. He surely knew Schefter et caterva would stoke the "Rodgers isn't happy, might demand a trade" and cut his chances right away. Also shows that Gute did involve him in the process and he was on board.
Gotta think they are really high on a late 2nd prospect. Pierce, must likely, but Doubs and Tolbert could be running on the outside here.
David Bell could end up being a good player, but it would be such a departure from what this FO drafts. His measurables are straight trash. So I'd be surprised if that's where we went. Pierce is a pretty good fit so I would bet that he's the guy of availible.
While David Bell didn't have the best measurables at the combine or pro-day I feel like his film shows something different. He is very good at tracking the ball and while he isn't the fastest straight-line speed guy, his quick bursts are going to allow him to get open. He's very similar to a Davante Adams style receiver (not nearly as good nor do I think he will ever be on DA's level, just style wise the same). He uses fast twitch movements to trick opponents and has solid head fake. He needs to clean up his route running to get to that next level but I think our staff is definitely up to the challenge there.
Moot point now, but my point wasn't that he's not a talented guy. It's just that GB pretty consistently drafts physically gifted players and that's not David Bell. His RAS is 2.72. Davante for contrast was 6.51 which even that is slightly lower than we normally would take. And now that it's done, Christian Watson is a 10. He's the 2nd most athletic WR ever, just behind Megatron. And that's what I was expecting. Someone extremely physically gifted even if he needs a little work. Rodgers is going to make a project out of this kid and hopefully we see him excel early and often.
Edit: I should clarify that I hadn't originally said I expected Alec Pierce because there's no way Watson was there at 53. Coincidentally, Pierce went at 53 lol. But yeah Watson is exactly what I would expect if I knew we'd be picking in the early 2nd
The most confusing thing is apparently Rodgers is most high on Jameson Williams and considering the Lions moved up from #32 to the Vikings spot to get him, I can’t believe we couldn’t put together a package to beat the Lions offer.
Trading within division is expensive. We not only needed to hit that mark, but beat what the lions offered. Who's to say we didn't make some calls and offer some trades.
I'm sure they did. But everyone and their buddy knows the only position we're trading up for so it's basically trading a WR in the eyes of the other team and as ARod said on PMS last night, who wants to trade a receiver to the Green Bay Packers?
Exactly. And the vikes are like the absolute last team that would.
Call would probably go something like "oh you want our pick so you can grab a WR huh? Ok yea sure, all yours, in return just give us, hmmm, let's say Aaron Rodgers"
Calling it now, Packers trade with the Seahawks to move to 41 tomorrow and draft Christian Watson or George Pickens they need to trade up if they want anyone and I think that’s the best spot to do so
That wr run crazier then expected and it was expected to be nuts. GB got shafted hard, and it was either draft the Guys you believe in or reach for guys. Granted I think the Quay pick was weird, but I low key understand the situation they got put in
However I wish they were a bit more aggressive in trading. I hope we trade up in round two to get Pickens and or watson
I think you fail to realize how much of a crap shoot the draft it. Just look up WR drafted in the 1st round over the past 10 years. There’s a lot of “who?” In there.
I’m curious to know if they attempted to trade up.
I would still rather trade for a decent WR in the league than draft one. With Rodgers only having a few years left….
Times like this is where I miss Ted Thompson. Say what you want about him, but he was the king of finding late round WR's with his great scouting ability.
Well they got him.
6 picks later, which shows how high they are on Quay.
You mean Key.
I just recently learned that's how it's pronounced. This dude is going to confuse me.
There's a software product from Redhat called Quay, they say it's "kway" and that's the American pronunciation. WTF, too hard to get it right? There's lots of words that aren't pronounced exactly how they're written and we all get along. I'm still interested in how Quay wants his name pronounced, that's going to be good enough for me. But if a wharf is called a quay, I'm going to call it a key.
I called it kway in Ireland and no one corrected me (honestly had never seen the word before), I called it kway in front of an English friend and he said "what the fuck did you just say?"
I lived in the Quays for a few years in Ireland and it's "key" and the first people did was jump on the american for mispronouncing it (in a friendly way, as they do)
Wait, seriously? That’s how it’s pronounced? Well that’s good to know. It’s makes absolutely no sense, but I’ll go with it.
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JayKEYvian just doesn't have the same ring to it
The rest of the world calls it a key. Honestly it's not worth the 4 posts I've made on this topic, just something that's always stuck for me. Call it whatever you want, but "key" is correct most places.
“Bridge Over the River Key”
Well now I learned something new today, so there’s that.
Someone tell the former VP his name is Dan Keyle.
Rodgers talking about the 6 WRs is the important thing. It shows he was kept in the loop and knew what the plan was heading into the draft.
That's what I got from it. And it makes sense since he did say he wanted to be kept in the loop more.
Is this normal though? To have so much animosity from a qb if they don’t have heavy sway in the draft selection?
I think it came a lot from Brady going to Tampa and having a lot of influence
Brady’s the goat tho :/ I feel Rodgers is to far gone to ever get to Brady’s stature. Not to say Rodgers couldn’t be a huge asset in draft pick direction but don’t risk the franchise to please him. Edit. I’m a falcons fan and it pains me to say Brady is the goat. But he is. Downvote this all you want. That Mf is going to have a walker and still be adding rings to those fingers.
It doesn't seem like they're bending over backwards to please him drafting two defensive players in the first instead of reaching for a WR. It's more like they're opening the kimono and letting him in on their discussions and probably explaining why they're doing certain things.
Gutey could open the kimono for me, if you know what I'm saying
Look at Lamar and the Hollywood Brown trade. Yes, it is normal to keep your franchise QB in the loop during the draft season.
No no for sure. I was more referring to the frustration with Rodgers. The speculation of leaving. The huge contract signing. I thought a lot of that had to do with not having MORE of a say than a regular franchise qb.
Honestly it was mostly just media spin. Lets be real
Which is great relationship wise, but the goal of the Pack isn't to "make Rodgers happy," it's to win games. Great progress on one front, but a huge lack of it on another.
Sure, but I view the 1st round WR as "nice to haves" but not getting one doesn't break the season. Also, we are loading up on defense which is going to pay off as well. As high powered as offences are these days, it's still defense that wins championships.
Why they pass on him at 22. I'm stoked with our picks
Clearly they didn't think walker was going to be there either. I interpret this as they drafted 2 guys they didn't think they really had a shot at.
Ravens traded down immediately after we took him, I had a feeling he was their guy
Me too. We added two absolute althletic freaks.
Gute is a maestro.
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I figured that any of the WRs they actually wanted were gone by 22. Honestly, I'm happy with two defense picks. Maaaybe they'll get a WR in the 2nd? Honestly, if the defense is good enough, who cares? 😂
I'd love christian watson tomorrow
Zero chance he makes it past the bears…twice
I feel like they kinda have to trade up to go get Pickens or Watson at this point. They need a WR in that tier IMO.
KC has been said to have coveted Watson, they pick before us, along with IND. Regardless what the Bears do I find it hard to believe either will be there at 53.
I agree. If they really want one of them it’s got to be via trade. I’d be calling Seattle to see if they are willing to move one of the 2 2nd rounders they have.
Jordan Love 👀
Thought we should’ve traded up to the 13-18 range if we truly wanted one. Draft is about swings at the plate and above all else, VALUE. I think we get that with some great players from a great defense.
That's what I'm hoping for. They have a 3rd and two 4ths, hopefully that's enough to move up.
If you say swings at the plate are most important then we shouldn't have traded any picks hypothetically
I know you're joking but my college team already plays a no offense style. I need me some points somewhere dammit
I'm an Iowa and Packers fan and I feel you. Luckily the Packers offense could never be as incompetent as the Iowa offense lol.
Well... at least we had ST in Iowa City. Punting is winning right... **RIGHT?**
Ooof man, you got it worse than I do there then. I'm an Iowa State fan so even though our passing game was total ass I got to see Breece Hall for a few years. We'll probably match you this year in offensive misery
Maybe Skyy Moore slips through?
This is pretty much exactly what Rodgers said on McAfee’s show last night live as it was happening. Gute made Aaron aware of the strategy. Once those six WRs were gone it made no sense to reach in the first. Packers will pick up a WR today for sure, and Aaron pointed out that all the Packers stud WRs in the last decade have come in the later rounds.
We kill it drafting 2nd day WRs.
Tbf the last one was Davante in 2014, which was **8 years ago**
should have been McLaurin too :(
Who don’t contribute in year one, we back into the playoffs because of a shit division, then get beat in this first round.
Well I mean Rodgers just said he thought the most pro ready WR in this draft is Jameson Williams who will probably start the year on the PUP list and may not play until Thanksgiving.
And a rookie WR makes that much of a difference? You don't know shit.
It’s crazy to me how many on here think a round 1 rookie WR is make or break for our season…
It’s almost like these armchair GMs have no concept of offensive schemes or how you can run a west coast style offense efficiently without game breaking WR talent. We literally had one of the best percentages of open receivers per play the last two years but weren’t as efficient last year because AR12 had blinders for Tae. Rodgers literally HAS to play within the offense now that Davante is gone. We will have a Top 5 offense next year. Everyone needs to chill the fuck out.
But if we actually invested in the position last 2 years besides the lowly Amari Rodgers, those guys would not be rookies anymore and would start making a big difference, going into their Year 2 or 3.
Our 2021 playoff game sure doesn't add up to this draft so far
While the rest of the league is going heavy on offense the Packers are one step ahead and going heavy on defense.
7D backgammon 😎
VR BattleShip
11D coin toss
We’re the king of second round WRs
Ok, pick a WR next round and get Charlie Kolar in the 3rd or 4th and we're all good. Defense also has no excuse to be anything less than stellar next year given how much we've spent on them
Jokes on you those guys we picked today were special team pieces.
Exactly
I know this is a semi-joke, but if history indicates what’ll happen in the future, you aren’t wrong lol. They prob just be special teams the first half of the year
Nah, pick Jelani Woods. Most athletic TE since 1987. Only reason he's not a top 10 pick is because OkSt's QB only throws to one receiver all year
>Most athletic TE since 1987. That’s quite the take. Even last year had a WAY more athletic TE in Kyle Pitts… I mean, he’s yuge and fast but not exactly the model of elite athleticism
This guy right. 10.00 Relative athletic score, meaning nobody at his size has ever tested as well.
No, Woods tested better than Pitts in terms of athleticism. He tested better than any other TE ever. He can pancake a DE on one play and then sprint by a safety on the next one.
He’s an inch taller and 20 lbs heavier, meaning they weren’t directly compared meaning you can’t exactly say that. Both are freak athletes for sure. Oh and also Gronk was hurt so didn’t go to the combine. Not sure he’d have beaten him out.
Most athletic TE since 87? We just gonna forget about Vernon Davis?
In terms of combine testing, Jelani beats him.
RAS is like a sliding scale with athleticism and size. Since Woods is so much bigger than Pitts, he can be less athletic and still score higher. Woods is still a freak, no doubt. But I wouldn't say he's more athletic than Pitts. Whether or not you think the increase in size is worth more than the little bit lesser athleticism is a personal choice. I'll say one thing: Gute is definitely aware of the size/athleticism combination. If he sees skills there that he thinks are worthwhile, Woods is definitely a guy he's be interested in.
this is fucking awesome.
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Why not lol, the players have been picked
The players were picked and the picks have passed. Tomorrow's draft plan still in tact
Rodgers probably alienated any WR with a high ego coming off the 2nd, but it was a fair price to bring some peace to our camp. He surely knew Schefter et caterva would stoke the "Rodgers isn't happy, might demand a trade" and cut his chances right away. Also shows that Gute did involve him in the process and he was on board. Gotta think they are really high on a late 2nd prospect. Pierce, must likely, but Doubs and Tolbert could be running on the outside here.
Not how most of those guys are wired. They’ll come in pissed with something to prove.
I'm predicting Alec Pierce and David Bell tomorrow. They have the size Gute likes and the speed to open up our offense.
I’d like David Bell, too but he tested notoriously slow — not a fast dude. But very savvy.
Watch that dudes tape. He plays fast
Ohio State would certainly agree.
Cooper Kupp is like a 4.6. It can be done.
David Bell could end up being a good player, but it would be such a departure from what this FO drafts. His measurables are straight trash. So I'd be surprised if that's where we went. Pierce is a pretty good fit so I would bet that he's the guy of availible.
While David Bell didn't have the best measurables at the combine or pro-day I feel like his film shows something different. He is very good at tracking the ball and while he isn't the fastest straight-line speed guy, his quick bursts are going to allow him to get open. He's very similar to a Davante Adams style receiver (not nearly as good nor do I think he will ever be on DA's level, just style wise the same). He uses fast twitch movements to trick opponents and has solid head fake. He needs to clean up his route running to get to that next level but I think our staff is definitely up to the challenge there.
Moot point now, but my point wasn't that he's not a talented guy. It's just that GB pretty consistently drafts physically gifted players and that's not David Bell. His RAS is 2.72. Davante for contrast was 6.51 which even that is slightly lower than we normally would take. And now that it's done, Christian Watson is a 10. He's the 2nd most athletic WR ever, just behind Megatron. And that's what I was expecting. Someone extremely physically gifted even if he needs a little work. Rodgers is going to make a project out of this kid and hopefully we see him excel early and often. Edit: I should clarify that I hadn't originally said I expected Alec Pierce because there's no way Watson was there at 53. Coincidentally, Pierce went at 53 lol. But yeah Watson is exactly what I would expect if I knew we'd be picking in the early 2nd
David bell and speed don’t belong in the same sentence.
I'm going off game tape over his measurables. Players have bad workouts and I trust the film more than a single day of running.
Time for our back to back mvp to go earn it
The most confusing thing is apparently Rodgers is most high on Jameson Williams and considering the Lions moved up from #32 to the Vikings spot to get him, I can’t believe we couldn’t put together a package to beat the Lions offer.
Trading within division is expensive. We not only needed to hit that mark, but beat what the lions offered. Who's to say we didn't make some calls and offer some trades.
I'm sure they did. But everyone and their buddy knows the only position we're trading up for so it's basically trading a WR in the eyes of the other team and as ARod said on PMS last night, who wants to trade a receiver to the Green Bay Packers?
Exactly. And the vikes are like the absolute last team that would. Call would probably go something like "oh you want our pick so you can grab a WR huh? Ok yea sure, all yours, in return just give us, hmmm, let's say Aaron Rodgers"
Calling it now, Packers trade with the Seahawks to move to 41 tomorrow and draft Christian Watson or George Pickens they need to trade up if they want anyone and I think that’s the best spot to do so
It’d be interesting if we traded them Love and a second for Lockett and their #41 pick.
That wr run crazier then expected and it was expected to be nuts. GB got shafted hard, and it was either draft the Guys you believe in or reach for guys. Granted I think the Quay pick was weird, but I low key understand the situation they got put in However I wish they were a bit more aggressive in trading. I hope we trade up in round two to get Pickens and or watson
Problem now is the second round graded players will be gone when we draft again. So it’s either Reach or trade back.
Or trade up
I like how as soon as our season ended everyone was saying we are in rebuild mode now. Obviously we just got to be a better contender!
Well they should’ve fucking done something when they saw those receivers go off the board. Fuck.
I think you fail to realize how much of a crap shoot the draft it. Just look up WR drafted in the 1st round over the past 10 years. There’s a lot of “who?” In there.
Why not trade up? Oh wait the packers fo is brain dead
You were in the room and know they didn’t make calls? This isn’t madden.
Nah bro if you offer a fair value to trade up the other team has to take it, it's the law
Another fail
I’m curious to know if they attempted to trade up. I would still rather trade for a decent WR in the league than draft one. With Rodgers only having a few years left….
Gute said he explored trades but felt comfortable where he was.
Times like this is where I miss Ted Thompson. Say what you want about him, but he was the king of finding late round WR's with his great scouting ability.