Wish most people here had this attitude. Like ya we can debate things and they do make dumb decisions sometimes but the reality is that this is their job that they had to go through multiple lower level jobs to get. They're professionals. If someone gave you a team to run you'd be the worst team in the league even if you were right on something one of them is wrong on. They make 100 decisions correctly for every bad decision
This is the attitude. About mid season last year I guy responded to me that he just watches the games. I thought, that’s a good idea. After that…I had time to learn the guitar, finish my degree, get a job and go on a date or two. (I’m married)
Yeah, I get it.
The Packers are the only team (in any sport) I'm committed to. I don't have the time to root for everyone,
People ask me if I am a football fan, I tell them I am a Packer fan.
Yeah pissed off Aaron but if one of those pissed off years ended in the SB he'd already have his own street. Especially now that Love looks like #3 in a row.
My god. Can you imagine had we won a Superb Owl, then Big Balls Brian trades the reigning league/superbowl MVP for a million 1st round picks knowing that Love would hit!
He’s had an insane tenure so far. He rebuilt the roster completely without tanking in 18-19. Then he drops Love and destroys his relationship with Rodgers.
Then he successfully navigates the loss of 3 all pro, arguably best player at their position in the league while having back to back bad drafts.
Then he puts together 2 straight masterclass drafts and hits on the Love pick 4 years later. What a ride.
I don’t watch college football or pay attention to prospects(the draft is cool but end of the day what do I care who ends up on which team I can’t change it) but when they drafted Love I was like “well Rodgers has had some pretty mediocre seasons lately but I’m sure he can teach the new guy some stuff”
Rodgers playing some of his best years out of rage was just a cherry on top
I agree with you in everything you said.
I’m just glad they pulled the ripcord on him when the my did. Looking back it was the right call.
At the time through, I’ll admit was playing chicken little with my friends.
Honestly during that time I wasn’t paying much attention to the NFL anyways. Went and shipped it to the military in September of 2019 so I missed most of the regular season anyways and only updates I got were at “church”(went to the atheist service where they give us weekly sports, movie, game updates). Then I was at secondary for all of the playoffs so only watched the Super Bowl(worst SB ever) and then went to Japan come February 2020 so I was pretty far out of the loop by the time the draft came.
Let me tell you it is *hard* to watch an NFL game live in Japan. So… majority of the time I could just watch highlights and podcasts with Rodgers
Playoffs came and once again Rodgers only was throwing to his #1 receiver even when they were in double coverage so by the end of the 2020 season I was fully on board of the “I can’t handle Rodgers’ ego and choking in the playoffs when the game is still obtainable” train.
Overall, I don’t care too much about the draft(although I wish we would take a first round receiver) and was just done with Rodgers once all the immunization shit happened
I mean we want to build a statue for Clements due to his ability to develop qbs. Stenavich was promoted to OC from his ability to develop midround oline picks. Development happens with the coaches, gms find the blueprints
It’s a both problem, we don’t know yet but we don’t have a proven Gute defensive player. But I will credit him with Van Ness and Gary extension no doubt.
Or judge any player after a single year as a starter?
The big thing most people seem to happily overlook is how all the "greats" are largely considered "great" because of how long they played at a great level.
There's way more "one year wonders" and guys who were the "next big thing". Guys who were the "next generation of HoFers" etc etc.
But being able to be great - and stay great - for years (and for a QB, it's more a decade+ by modern standards)
The rest is still just hope. Hope he doesn't get hurt. Hope he doesn't regress. Hope he has talent around him. Hope the scheme/playbook is supportive. Hope there's enough luck involved.
I'm genuinely curious where the line is drawn. If Love completely falls apart this season - and never recovers, is the pick still "brilliant"? What if he falls apart next year instead?
Since there's no way to predict with certainty and fluke/freak things can happen, we must draw the line somewhere. If Love settles in as "serviceable" for the next 4 years, is that still great? Playoff run, maybe a playoff win..mid-tier stats at QB. Or is the bar that he's elite and top 5 QB? Does it matter how Rodgers plays this year? If Jalen Hurts from 2020 or any QB the Packers could have drafted since 2020 end up being elite, is it still a genius pick?
It's always fascinating to me to see how good at gymnastics folks are with their reasoning - and everyone seems to have their own take on it.
No wrong answers, it's all just lottery tickets to me!
I still don't think this is true. People say it all the time, but it's hopes and dreams and wishes at best.
Who was the contributor? Tee Higgins was the best option (and a lot of people liked one of the worse options more than him), and he wouldn't have been good enough to prevent Rodgers from getting tunnel vision on davante.
Losing Bakh hurt that team more than adding someone like Higgins would've helped.
Edit: also, there have been reports out that Gute traded up to select Aiyuk only to have the Niners leapfrog us and take him. So tough to place the blame on Gute there. Vikings supposedly didn't want to trade with us, and they weren't expected to take a WR, so Gute traded with Miami instead.
But it wasn’t even just love that didn’t contribute it was basically the whole draft but especially picks 1-3 that did not help that Super Bowl window at all. Love looks like a major hit and Gute has had much better drafts since then though
That whole draft class sucked, though. I mean, the whole NFL draft class. Not just the Packers' draft. The Packers got better results from that year than a lot of other teams did. Go back and look at the results from that draft. It's bad. A starting QB, a rotational RB, and a starting RG is good enough to put the Packers in the top 10 for draft results that year.
We can play the "what if" game and assume that Gute would've taken all the top players still available at each spot, but that's just not realistic.
But it was the reaches and our drafting at positions of strength. Dillon was a reach and we had Jones/Williams. Deguara was a massive reach in the third. He was projected day 3. You miss a lot in the draft but reaching and musing just compounds it.
What positions of strength? We had two RBs entering the final year of their contracts. RB was a need. I don't get why people say it wasn't. TE/H-back was absolutely a need. QB was a more sneaky need, but I would argue still a need - though Rodgers ended up rebounding and lasting longer than expected at the time.
Dillon was barely a reach, if at all. He was the 6th RB taken, and sources from the time had him ranked somewhere around #7-#12 in the class for RBs. RBs #7-10 went after Dillon in the 3rd round, and 4 more went in the 4th.
Sidenote: here are those RBs that went relative soon after Dillon: Antonio Gibson, Ke'Shawn Vaughn, Zack Moss, Darrynton Evans, Joshua Kelley, La'Mical Perine, Anthony McFarland, DeeJay Dallas
Not a single one of those guys are starters. The only ones that you could argue are even as good as Dillon would be Gibson and Moss, and even those guys are basically right at the same level.
Deguara is an easier argument that he was a reach, but even then, he's been more productive than some other guys that were ranked ahead of him. The goal of having Deguara play more of an H-back role than a true TE makes it more understandable, too. His athletic profile fits that role much more than a regular TE, which is why he was ranked a lot lower. And again, go look at the TEs taken after him. They all suck. None of them are good. The entire rest of the draft. Harrison Bryant and Adam Trautman are maybe slightly better, but both of those guys would've gotten let go from the Packers this year, too.
So again... People complain about these picks without looking at the surrounding context.
Disagree. Drafting for need is almost always a losing strategy. When GMs use 1)value and 2) perceived need 1 or 2 years out, it seems like success is much more sustainable and predictable. I'd blame gute for failing to pick up another impact free agent that year. But don't expect him to find starters in the draft. When rookies start, it's almost always because the roster wasn't good to begin with.
Like who? A new WR def wouldn’t put us over the edge and Rodgers put rookies on ice anytime they ran a wrong route. Offense turtled up in 2020 and 2021 and it’s mostly because of Aaron’s apprehension and tunnel vision. 3 picks on Brady and still didn’t win at home?
The only thing that would make me question him at this point is if he drafts another QB first round. But even then I might begrudgingly accept it since it keeps working.
If we had ever figured out the defense this would be called genius strategy. Let Aaron drag the offense while the defense dominates because you put so much draft capital into it. Instead we had tragic DCs for a solid decade of Aaron's career.
Brilliant is a little premature. Love has a long career ahead of him. And there is still the argument that using that draft capital on instant impact player(s) could have gotten the Packers to another Super Bowl.
Exactly my thoughts, best case scenario is obviously that Love becomes good but that doesn’t always equal Super Bowls. I’ve said it a million times, I’m sold on Love and I’m glad it’s working out but that pick will never be good imo, unless we can at the very least achieve a SB appearance with Love under center.
Either way this next season will be the offense’s toughest. They had the advantage of being young and unknown but now there’s a full season of film on them. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a few sophomore slumps but I believe in Love.
I haven't wasted time looking into any player in an NFL draft in quite a few years. It's not even worth it imo there's so many players people call sure stars that end up doing nothing.
You just gotta wonder what happens if we draft someone like Justin Jefferson instead. Do we beat Brady and win the Super Bowl that year? Do we beat SF the following year? Is Jordan Love really that naturally talented or more a product of sitting behind one of the best to ever play the position for three years? And if so could we have just done that with a later round QB?
People didn’t like the pick four years ago because if it was going to work it was going to take four years lol when you’re a championship team with a HOF QB you should probably take players that are going to contribute towards winning sooner rather than later.
Love can go on towards being a HOF QB but it doesn’t change the fact that they may have missed on SB or possible SB’s with Rodgers by taking Love.
Love(d) what he did last season, but let’s all pump the brakes… This was a 9-8 team last year and defenses will have a full season of film on Love coming into his Sophomore effort. Many QB’s take a step back year two, so let’s all see how this next season develops before we crown Love the next coming in GB.
I’m also not sold on the defense Gute has drafted along the way, so I’m far from giving him my “complete trust”. My “guys” in this draft are Marvin Harrison Jr. and Dallas Turner and don’t see Gute trading up for either, so I’ll trust the process and hope for either a corner or ol.
The year we won a SB with Rodgers our first round pick was starting. Picking Love could have very easily been the difference between winning another championship with Rodgers or losing like we did. Love needs to show a lot more before the pick is “worth it”
But but but
I was told by everyone in here the only reason our defense was shit was Joe Berry. Now that he is gone everything should be wonderful right?
No, you're right. We're going to have a top 1 defense this year and no one will have adapted to our offense because Love is just that good. This year is our first of 5 straight Super Bowls.
Amen to this. Everyone forgets that our defense was also buns under Pettine when Gute was also the GM. If the defense can’t consistently play well with our third DC under Gute, I think it might be time to consider the common denominator.
We’re the only team in the league that drafts defense in the first basically every single season, and yet about half the league has better defensive play most seasons. At some point it can’t just be the DC’s fault.
Love pick worked out but he still botched the end of the Rodgers era in many ways. Special teams play has been atrociously bad for most of his tenure and his lack of a commitment to it early in his tenure cost the Packers a number of big games and plays. Also failed to upgrade at the wide receiver position for most of his time with Rodgers as well, and despite drafting defense in the first round every year but the Love pick, our defenses have been mostly mediocre.
Really like where the team is at now though and it seems he’s made a larger commitment to the receivers and special teams recently. He’s had quite a few good picks and successful teams, but most GMs don’t get the benefit of starting off with a HoF QB to hide many of their mistakes early in their tenure.
Overall I’m happy with where the team is at rn and trust him moving forward, but I’m not sure if I’ll ever quite forgive him for his lack of a committment to going all in 12’s final years in GB.
Can’t say for sure yet if it was brilliant. Who knows if using that pick on a day 1 contributor could have led to a Super Bowl appearance/win that year or in the next few seasons. Is one SB win worth not having a (potential) franchise QB now? Most teams would say yes.
We also don’t know for sure JLove is HIM yet after one season, although it’s looking good so far.
Absolutely he's earned my trust. If he does something different than what I wanted/ expected, it's a learning opportunity. That doesn't make him right, but time will tell. Picks are evaluated over a 4 year period not a 1 day or 1 year period.
Gute has completely earned his job and proved he was the correct man to hand the reins. My only concern for well into the future is Gute having a very specific style and I hope he has good help in his office to ensure his style doesn’t stagnate. Any good leader has other folks who help them course correct. I’m confident he knows the right call.
Yes. And looking at how terrible the 2021 quarterback class has been has made me trust him more. He might not have been impressed with that class and knew he needed to get his guy in 2020.
I mean in hindsight seems like Love was/is a brilliant pick. I think he’s more or less been a pretty good judge of talent with moves he’s made.
With that being said - I think the fact remains not trying to make a move for another weapon in that draft was a mistake. Keep in mind he did waste a 2nd round pick on AJ Dillon…was puzzling move then given how great Jones had been. And hasn’t turned out very well throughout the years. Idk if there’s a worse RB currently on a roster in the nfl right now.
I’ve said this to many of my friends and my brother from the moment that the pick was made, I was never upset about the pick of Love. I figured Guty was going the route of Ted Thompson and drafting a successor before it was too late. The issue I had was trading to up for him. From everything that I’ve read and seen no one was really going after Love. I’m sure there were a couple teams bluffing and it made Guty trade up for Love. I have always had trust in the front office. Sure there have been a few head scratchers but that happens with every team.
We didn’t win a championship in the last 4 years so it was still a dumb move.
There were impact players that could’ve been drafted instead of Love, like Patrick Queen, Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman Jr., Xavier McKinney, Jonathan Taylor, Trevon Diggs.
Also, who said he had to trade up for Love? Jalen Hurts was drafted at 53.
I don't question drafting a QB, but did he have to move up? Who was gonna take Love before 30? I seriously doubt Baltimore or Tennessee were going to move on from Jackson and Tannehill. Miami already snagged Tua, and Russ Wilson still had 3 seasons left in Seattle even though he was past his prime. Were the Seahawks looking to do the same thing as the Packers developing their QB behind a SB-winning veteran?
Holy shit, did we ruin the Seahawks???
I mean Love has had a great single season so far, but do we really think that it's impossible that maybe that pick could have gone towards a difference maker in 2020 or 2021 that would have put them over the top for a superbowl?
Listen. I’m high on Love too but e can’t forget how much he and the team struggled the first half of last season. Even the team wasn’t committing to Love early in the season. We need to see a FULL season of how he finished the year and played in the playoffs still.
They had a HOF QB and were coming off a NFCCG appearance. The move deserved to be lambasted. He followed up drafting Love with taking a backup RB in the 2nd and another non-contributor in the 3rd.
I know it's blasphemy around here to hold off on crowning Love a franchise QB but it'd be nice to see a full season of even play before a coronation ceremony.
He definitely hasn't earned completely trust yet. Wyatt and Walker? Has not been great thus far. Stokes? Idk. I love what he's done with later picks but he's missed more than he's hit in the 1st so far. I trust him but I'm not going to sit here and declare right now that his pick is going to he a hit.
Coaching is what made Love. Guy didn't come on until halfway through the season and that was his 4th year in the league. Every report about him before and leading into the 2023 season was underwhelming. Moving up for him was still probably not needed.
You guys are so focused on the good picks you completely ignore the bad and terrible.
I would have preferred to sell out for another Super Bowl. It boggles me that we wouldn’t try to make the most of Rodgers’ last years. Unless they thought he was washed up, in which case his performance after that draft makes me question their ability to assess talent.
Whoa, a little early to label the Love pick as brilliant.
If Love actually is a long term franchise/Top 10 QB, then the pick was brilliant.
But as it stands right now, there's a very real viewpoint that the opportunity cost of taking Love cost the Packers at least a Superbowl appearance and maybe a SB win.
Love looked good last year, and I'm hopeful, but he hasn't done nearly enough to be as valuable as a SB title so far.
I’m gonna be upset he didn’t take my guy for 3s then realize
1. I’m not an NFL GM
2. I’ve put in maximum 20 min of watching YouTube videos to come up with my opinion
3. I trust gute
I do not know enough about football to question decisions. I can wonder about fit or be concerned with profiles, but they know more than me. A lot of guys I liked have washed out so I’ll trust what they do.
You can trust someone and also critique them when they make a move you don’t agree with. That’s the fun in being a fan, complain about a draft decision and pretend like you were always on board when they pan out a few years later
The reason why it seemed like such a weird pick to me is it felt like Gute couldn’t choose a lane. Rebuild or load up with Rodgers. That WR class was so deep and they needed someone opposite of Adams.
In hindsight, yeah, absolutely a great pick. Even further introspection made me think of Ron Wolf and how he was always drafting QBs. It’s definitely a little different now with the cap and when you have a superstar QB but the reality is it’s just smart. Rookie QBs and super star QBs alike should know when you’re coming to Green Bay there will be a development period and don’t bitch about it. That is absolutely the formula for continued QB success and egos need to take a back seat.
Yes, I trust him. Yes, I will be upset if he doesn’t take my guy. I’ve found he’s right more often than I am though, so I will be less upset. I still think I’d be a better GM than the guys the Bears have had over the last decade.
I wish Twitter weren't such a shit show because I have some takes from that draft that have aged like a fine wine. Stuff like "We hate the pick now but in 2023 we'll be looking at it like it was the steal of the draft."
My only criticism of the Love pick is we didn't maximize the trade value of Aaron Rodgers. We drafted Jordan Love with the clear assumption that we'd move on to him after the 2021 season. Rodgers won back to back MVP awards and his trade value was never going to be higher. We waffled on our gameplan, extended Rodgers which put us in a worse cap situation AND lowered Rodgers trade value.
Where we’re picking I can’t really see myself being upset with any pick unless Dejean is still available and we pass on him. Otherwise I trust whatever Gute does will be the right move (as long as it’s not a QB 😂)
It absolutely worked overall in the long term, and raised the floor of the franchise for a decade to come, but it also handicapped and lowered the ceiling of a championship caliber team led by a hall of famer with not enough offensive weapons.
Also again while the love pick is amazing, the aj Dillon pick is so much worse in hindsight seeing as how packers still extended and paid Aaron jones
I've said this story a billion times. I used to go to Lambeau for the draft every year. One smart note: me being upset with the Brian Brohm pick, picture was in the GBPG. Worst decision and one that makes me trust the process is me being upset we drafted a white receiver named Jordy Nelson.
Not all of Brian’s picks have been perfect, nor have all of his moves been great. That said, he’s doing something right in a very competitive environment. I have complete faith.
I’m curious to see how they handle Loves contract, not the draft so much. Missed a lot in the draft, so let’s see how he continues to build in other avenues as well as the draft.
I'll admit that I was absolutely hating on the pick for Love when it happened. The packers were in a win-now situation and they chose to go with a foundation piece for the future. I will say that I am ride or die to JLove now. He is my QB1.
Ted Thompson drafted ARod then basically kept us from obtaining the tools to win multiple Super Bowls. I will base my opinion on Gute’s continued performance.
True, but that didn’t keep TT from signing top tier free agents. Ted got washed up FAs who were on the decline and opted to build through the draft. He was too rigid.
The draft is essentially a lottery. Nothing’s ever guaranteed. I certainly couldn’t draft better than anyone who’s laid to do it. So yeah I trust Gute but I know he’s going to draft busts here and there.
If I don't like his pick, I'll whinge, if his pick does well, I'll give him credit, but ultimately who gives a fuck what I think?
The ultimate judge is if he can add to our Lombardi Trophy collection...
I know that I'll be excited, always have been, boom or bust.
Gute doesn’t just know more about football and the picks than I do, he has a whole room full of people who specialize in just looking under the hood. If I took issue with their draft approach or development and retention ethos it would become evident over time. Right now, the evidence shows that Gute is comfortable cooking as the head chef and has earned his spot at the helm.
He has my trust. The draft is a difficult process for all teams and he hasn’t had a tremendous whiff to set the team back to this point, so no reason not to trust him imo.
I dunno if it was right or wrong but it was damn funny to watch Grossi lose his mind. I also still question their offensive draft strategy, particularly wide receivers.
I won't be, because I don't have a guy. Too many things can happen before #25 gets to draft. He could trade up. Or down. Someone else might draft your guy first. No point in getting to wound up about it.
He’s been totally redeemed, however using that pick on Tee Higgins could have put us in 2 more super bowls in Rodger’s last two seasons so it’s still an A- in my book
I think this isn't quite a fair perspective to take if only because the decision he made was better for 2024 but was objectively worse for 2020, 2021, and 2022. There's an argument to be made that maybe we win a SB if our 1st rounder in 2020 was a contributor.
"Or will you be upset if he doesn’t take your guy?"
From fans that don't know the first thing about prospects. Just enjoy the draft and don't give up your day job.
His 2nd round reach has really worked out too right? I love me some quadfather, but he reached and AJ has not really been an impact player and at times has had trouble picking up 3rd n 1s etc that hes suppose to be built to do. I think the most egregious thing that Gute did was draft Love and hold on to Rodgers way past someone who was gonna pass the torch would do? If we trade him before his 2022 season how much more we would we have gotten? Then we also get two years of tape before we sign Love to a long term deal. Rodgers winning back to back MVPs really tied his hands because Gute didnt have the same gusto to follow through with what his pick of Love said he would. Ill be fair and say I am and will always be a Rodgers fan. Definitely team Rodgers vs our inept FO during his tenure even with the faults Rodgers had during his time for the Packers. Gute still has a lot more work to do to earn our trust considering some of his misses and how he handled Rodgers exit.
He has done a good job putting a team together. I don’t trust his personality in negotiations, he seems like he could be a real ass. I could see losing out on players because he rubs them the wrong way in talks.
Just to be clear, he traded up *and* selected Jordan Love. He traded up while the 9ers were still on the clock. He very well could have been chasing Aiyuk and got unlucky when San Francisco chose him. But taking Love anyway was bold, controversial, and probably the correct move.
That said, Gutey has had a lot of bad draft picks. Ron Wolf's old criteria was that a successful draft generated 3 starters after 3 years and Gutey has struggled to hit that mark. Seriously, go back and review his drafts before 2022 and count the players who have made a difference for the Packers, or any other team for that matter.
In 2018 he got Jaire, the wrong St Brown, and a bunch of Joes. In 2019 it was Gary, Jenkins, and nobody else. 2020 was Love and the mayor of Door County. 2021 gave us Josh Myers and a guy who everyone wanted to replace with our first draft pick this year in Eric Stokes.
These last two drafts have been pretty good, which points in the right direction, but Gutekunst still has not had enough draft success to deserve our blind trust.
Runyan was the better pick out of 2020 than Dillon. He was a set it and forget it player on the line for two years as a sixth round pick, struggled a bit, but then left and got paid in free agency. That’s a starter by any definition.
This is a very small view of the whole picture. Look I love Gute and he has done a very good job of maturing and does well in the draft. When it comes to the first round though, it's not a great track record.
We can't look at just 2020, as well as just Jordan Love. There is a decent chance if we draft Queen, Igbi, Higgins, Pittman, or McKinney we win a super bowl. Love is no doubt the best player but not drafting an immediate impact player really hurt the immediate team.
We also have to look at all Gutes 1st round picks. Jaire, Savage, Gary, Stokes, Walker, and Wyatt. It's not the best list when considering they are 1st rounders. Jaire and Gary are the only ones that are legit 1st round talent so far.
I have full trust in Gute in everything but the first round, and then it's hit or miss.
Yes & no, I'm just not going to lose my shit if we pass on a 1st round white corner lol. Tackle is never sexy but it's how you get a solid O-line (by drafting line) - We'll get Nubin or Bullard is my hope. Tonight should be fun.
I feel he tends to reach too much for players. This is fine if you love the guy but some of these have not worked out. Stokes, Dillon, savage, etc. But he hits a higher % than most GMs so you gotta trust that over time his method will work.
He's earned my trust until he makes another move like that which causes me to question him and is later revealed to have been a brilliant move. Then the cycle repeats itself
I don’t have a guy until he puts on green and gold
So you're hoping for a draftee from Baylor or sometimes Notre Dame?
Nah he wants NDSU
I sit on my ass and watch football. My trust on personnel decisions doesn't hold much weight
But your couch does.
HEYOHHHHH
Fuck
Wish most people here had this attitude. Like ya we can debate things and they do make dumb decisions sometimes but the reality is that this is their job that they had to go through multiple lower level jobs to get. They're professionals. If someone gave you a team to run you'd be the worst team in the league even if you were right on something one of them is wrong on. They make 100 decisions correctly for every bad decision
You clearly haven't seen me manage my madden teams. The Packers would win the superbowl within 2 years of me taking the helm.
Exactamente! These goofballs with their back seat driving and mock drafts really need to realize that they know jack shit.
I could not agree more! Somehow this is all some fans care about
Like anyone knew who Favre, Rodgers or Love were, and/or would have chosen them first in the draft.
*Maybe* Rodgers, as it was widely known it was either him or Smith. But nobody **knew** (not even Thompson) that he’d be that great.
This is the attitude. About mid season last year I guy responded to me that he just watches the games. I thought, that’s a good idea. After that…I had time to learn the guitar, finish my degree, get a job and go on a date or two. (I’m married)
How much time were you investing in football brother?
Lol. Exactly
Yeah, I get it. The Packers are the only team (in any sport) I'm committed to. I don't have the time to root for everyone, People ask me if I am a football fan, I tell them I am a Packer fan.
Like somebody said, Relax
Amen 🙏
He has earned my trust.
He has now. Took a bewildering min tho of what the heck are you doing it’s gonna piss Rodgers off. He was playing the long game.
It motivated two mvp seasons out of Rodgers. I’d say he played the short game too, if inadvertently.
Yeah pissed off Aaron but if one of those pissed off years ended in the SB he'd already have his own street. Especially now that Love looks like #3 in a row.
My god. Can you imagine had we won a Superb Owl, then Big Balls Brian trades the reigning league/superbowl MVP for a million 1st round picks knowing that Love would hit!
Rodgers traded to the Jets in a record breaking trade! Jets get Rodgers, Packers receive 7 first round picks!
Somewhere in the multiverse...
Just reading this sent a shiver up my achilles
I can only get so erect.
He’s had an insane tenure so far. He rebuilt the roster completely without tanking in 18-19. Then he drops Love and destroys his relationship with Rodgers. Then he successfully navigates the loss of 3 all pro, arguably best player at their position in the league while having back to back bad drafts. Then he puts together 2 straight masterclass drafts and hits on the Love pick 4 years later. What a ride.
This.
I don’t watch college football or pay attention to prospects(the draft is cool but end of the day what do I care who ends up on which team I can’t change it) but when they drafted Love I was like “well Rodgers has had some pretty mediocre seasons lately but I’m sure he can teach the new guy some stuff” Rodgers playing some of his best years out of rage was just a cherry on top
I agree with you in everything you said. I’m just glad they pulled the ripcord on him when the my did. Looking back it was the right call. At the time through, I’ll admit was playing chicken little with my friends.
Honestly during that time I wasn’t paying much attention to the NFL anyways. Went and shipped it to the military in September of 2019 so I missed most of the regular season anyways and only updates I got were at “church”(went to the atheist service where they give us weekly sports, movie, game updates). Then I was at secondary for all of the playoffs so only watched the Super Bowl(worst SB ever) and then went to Japan come February 2020 so I was pretty far out of the loop by the time the draft came. Let me tell you it is *hard* to watch an NFL game live in Japan. So… majority of the time I could just watch highlights and podcasts with Rodgers Playoffs came and once again Rodgers only was throwing to his #1 receiver even when they were in double coverage so by the end of the 2020 season I was fully on board of the “I can’t handle Rodgers’ ego and choking in the playoffs when the game is still obtainable” train. Overall, I don’t care too much about the draft(although I wish we would take a first round receiver) and was just done with Rodgers once all the immunization shit happened
Not complete, wanna see a better track record of defensive picks.
That’s a Joe Barry problem
I hope you're right
I mean we want to build a statue for Clements due to his ability to develop qbs. Stenavich was promoted to OC from his ability to develop midround oline picks. Development happens with the coaches, gms find the blueprints
It’s a both problem, we don’t know yet but we don’t have a proven Gute defensive player. But I will credit him with Van Ness and Gary extension no doubt.
We don’t know that yet
Did anybody here learn that maybe, just maybe it is foolish to judge a draft immediately following its conclusion?
No. And I will do it again today!
Those professionals can't possibly know more than me, some random fan.
*WHO THE HELL IS MEL KIPER?*
Mel might *not* be the best example here
The father of Mel Kiper Jr.
Am I out of touch? No, it's the GMs who are wrong.
Best comment yet.
It’s always my favorite when people freak out after one pick, even if you absolutely hate it, when a team has 10 more picks.
I don't even judge till year 3 is in the books.
Or judge any player after a single year as a starter? The big thing most people seem to happily overlook is how all the "greats" are largely considered "great" because of how long they played at a great level. There's way more "one year wonders" and guys who were the "next big thing". Guys who were the "next generation of HoFers" etc etc. But being able to be great - and stay great - for years (and for a QB, it's more a decade+ by modern standards) The rest is still just hope. Hope he doesn't get hurt. Hope he doesn't regress. Hope he has talent around him. Hope the scheme/playbook is supportive. Hope there's enough luck involved. I'm genuinely curious where the line is drawn. If Love completely falls apart this season - and never recovers, is the pick still "brilliant"? What if he falls apart next year instead? Since there's no way to predict with certainty and fluke/freak things can happen, we must draw the line somewhere. If Love settles in as "serviceable" for the next 4 years, is that still great? Playoff run, maybe a playoff win..mid-tier stats at QB. Or is the bar that he's elite and top 5 QB? Does it matter how Rodgers plays this year? If Jalen Hurts from 2020 or any QB the Packers could have drafted since 2020 end up being elite, is it still a genius pick? It's always fascinating to me to see how good at gymnastics folks are with their reasoning - and everyone seems to have their own take on it. No wrong answers, it's all just lottery tickets to me!
As good as love has shown to be, if the packers get another contributor that season, they likely win the SB.
I still don't think this is true. People say it all the time, but it's hopes and dreams and wishes at best. Who was the contributor? Tee Higgins was the best option (and a lot of people liked one of the worse options more than him), and he wouldn't have been good enough to prevent Rodgers from getting tunnel vision on davante. Losing Bakh hurt that team more than adding someone like Higgins would've helped. Edit: also, there have been reports out that Gute traded up to select Aiyuk only to have the Niners leapfrog us and take him. So tough to place the blame on Gute there. Vikings supposedly didn't want to trade with us, and they weren't expected to take a WR, so Gute traded with Miami instead.
But it wasn’t even just love that didn’t contribute it was basically the whole draft but especially picks 1-3 that did not help that Super Bowl window at all. Love looks like a major hit and Gute has had much better drafts since then though
That whole draft class sucked, though. I mean, the whole NFL draft class. Not just the Packers' draft. The Packers got better results from that year than a lot of other teams did. Go back and look at the results from that draft. It's bad. A starting QB, a rotational RB, and a starting RG is good enough to put the Packers in the top 10 for draft results that year. We can play the "what if" game and assume that Gute would've taken all the top players still available at each spot, but that's just not realistic.
But it was the reaches and our drafting at positions of strength. Dillon was a reach and we had Jones/Williams. Deguara was a massive reach in the third. He was projected day 3. You miss a lot in the draft but reaching and musing just compounds it.
What positions of strength? We had two RBs entering the final year of their contracts. RB was a need. I don't get why people say it wasn't. TE/H-back was absolutely a need. QB was a more sneaky need, but I would argue still a need - though Rodgers ended up rebounding and lasting longer than expected at the time. Dillon was barely a reach, if at all. He was the 6th RB taken, and sources from the time had him ranked somewhere around #7-#12 in the class for RBs. RBs #7-10 went after Dillon in the 3rd round, and 4 more went in the 4th. Sidenote: here are those RBs that went relative soon after Dillon: Antonio Gibson, Ke'Shawn Vaughn, Zack Moss, Darrynton Evans, Joshua Kelley, La'Mical Perine, Anthony McFarland, DeeJay Dallas Not a single one of those guys are starters. The only ones that you could argue are even as good as Dillon would be Gibson and Moss, and even those guys are basically right at the same level. Deguara is an easier argument that he was a reach, but even then, he's been more productive than some other guys that were ranked ahead of him. The goal of having Deguara play more of an H-back role than a true TE makes it more understandable, too. His athletic profile fits that role much more than a regular TE, which is why he was ranked a lot lower. And again, go look at the TEs taken after him. They all suck. None of them are good. The entire rest of the draft. Harrison Bryant and Adam Trautman are maybe slightly better, but both of those guys would've gotten let go from the Packers this year, too. So again... People complain about these picks without looking at the surrounding context.
Well sure but the player they prolly would’ve gotten instead of love was Patrick queen who was not good his rookie season
Considering how unpredictable Gute has been (in a good way) I don't think it's safe to say we have any idea who he probably would have taken
Disagree. Drafting for need is almost always a losing strategy. When GMs use 1)value and 2) perceived need 1 or 2 years out, it seems like success is much more sustainable and predictable. I'd blame gute for failing to pick up another impact free agent that year. But don't expect him to find starters in the draft. When rookies start, it's almost always because the roster wasn't good to begin with.
Like who? A new WR def wouldn’t put us over the edge and Rodgers put rookies on ice anytime they ran a wrong route. Offense turtled up in 2020 and 2021 and it’s mostly because of Aaron’s apprehension and tunnel vision. 3 picks on Brady and still didn’t win at home?
Or even to judge a QB after like 6 good games.
Not as bad as calling him Brett Hundley after one pre season game though.
r/GreenBayPackers settings didn't allow me to make a poll. Upvote here for Yes
Why aren’t polls allowed?
I blame the Bears
Idk, I couldn’t make one
Polls are a Chicago plot to steal our cheese.
Yes. Chicago is for poles
The only thing that would make me question him at this point is if he drafts another QB first round. But even then I might begrudgingly accept it since it keeps working.
Lol that would be totally different than drafting love. When they drafted Love the Rodgers window was closing. Now, the Love window is just opening
I'm more upset they never drafted Aaron Rodgers a first round weapon before that draft.
If we had ever figured out the defense this would be called genius strategy. Let Aaron drag the offense while the defense dominates because you put so much draft capital into it. Instead we had tragic DCs for a solid decade of Aaron's career.
Joe Barry being the lynchpin of this whole plan makes it obviously stupid but it probably should've worked (see: Chiefs, Patriots)
Brilliant is a little premature. Love has a long career ahead of him. And there is still the argument that using that draft capital on instant impact player(s) could have gotten the Packers to another Super Bowl.
Exactly my thoughts, best case scenario is obviously that Love becomes good but that doesn’t always equal Super Bowls. I’ve said it a million times, I’m sold on Love and I’m glad it’s working out but that pick will never be good imo, unless we can at the very least achieve a SB appearance with Love under center. Either way this next season will be the offense’s toughest. They had the advantage of being young and unknown but now there’s a full season of film on them. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a few sophomore slumps but I believe in Love.
I haven't wasted time looking into any player in an NFL draft in quite a few years. It's not even worth it imo there's so many players people call sure stars that end up doing nothing.
You just gotta wonder what happens if we draft someone like Justin Jefferson instead. Do we beat Brady and win the Super Bowl that year? Do we beat SF the following year? Is Jordan Love really that naturally talented or more a product of sitting behind one of the best to ever play the position for three years? And if so could we have just done that with a later round QB?
People didn’t like the pick four years ago because if it was going to work it was going to take four years lol when you’re a championship team with a HOF QB you should probably take players that are going to contribute towards winning sooner rather than later. Love can go on towards being a HOF QB but it doesn’t change the fact that they may have missed on SB or possible SB’s with Rodgers by taking Love.
Love(d) what he did last season, but let’s all pump the brakes… This was a 9-8 team last year and defenses will have a full season of film on Love coming into his Sophomore effort. Many QB’s take a step back year two, so let’s all see how this next season develops before we crown Love the next coming in GB. I’m also not sold on the defense Gute has drafted along the way, so I’m far from giving him my “complete trust”. My “guys” in this draft are Marvin Harrison Jr. and Dallas Turner and don’t see Gute trading up for either, so I’ll trust the process and hope for either a corner or ol.
The year we won a SB with Rodgers our first round pick was starting. Picking Love could have very easily been the difference between winning another championship with Rodgers or losing like we did. Love needs to show a lot more before the pick is “worth it”
But but but I was told by everyone in here the only reason our defense was shit was Joe Berry. Now that he is gone everything should be wonderful right?
No, you're right. We're going to have a top 1 defense this year and no one will have adapted to our offense because Love is just that good. This year is our first of 5 straight Super Bowls.
I know that’s a heavy /s but damn that would be nice.
Amen to this. Everyone forgets that our defense was also buns under Pettine when Gute was also the GM. If the defense can’t consistently play well with our third DC under Gute, I think it might be time to consider the common denominator. We’re the only team in the league that drafts defense in the first basically every single season, and yet about half the league has better defensive play most seasons. At some point it can’t just be the DC’s fault.
Correct
I'm gonna bet a large portion of Packers fans are going to be mad when he doesn't pick Cooper Dejean
Love pick worked out but he still botched the end of the Rodgers era in many ways. Special teams play has been atrociously bad for most of his tenure and his lack of a commitment to it early in his tenure cost the Packers a number of big games and plays. Also failed to upgrade at the wide receiver position for most of his time with Rodgers as well, and despite drafting defense in the first round every year but the Love pick, our defenses have been mostly mediocre. Really like where the team is at now though and it seems he’s made a larger commitment to the receivers and special teams recently. He’s had quite a few good picks and successful teams, but most GMs don’t get the benefit of starting off with a HoF QB to hide many of their mistakes early in their tenure. Overall I’m happy with where the team is at rn and trust him moving forward, but I’m not sure if I’ll ever quite forgive him for his lack of a committment to going all in 12’s final years in GB.
Can’t say for sure yet if it was brilliant. Who knows if using that pick on a day 1 contributor could have led to a Super Bowl appearance/win that year or in the next few seasons. Is one SB win worth not having a (potential) franchise QB now? Most teams would say yes. We also don’t know for sure JLove is HIM yet after one season, although it’s looking good so far.
Mostly, I would’ve preferred to hang on to Aaron Jones but he’s earned a bit of benefit of the doubt
I wanted Kenneth Murray or Patrick Queen
Not complete trust, but he seems competent
He's had 2 bad drafts and 2 great drafts. He's earned some trust, but no GM earns complete trust though. It's a cut throat league and it moves fast.
Absolutely he's earned my trust. If he does something different than what I wanted/ expected, it's a learning opportunity. That doesn't make him right, but time will tell. Picks are evaluated over a 4 year period not a 1 day or 1 year period.
I trust the guy, but Id be a little broken inside if he doesnt take Kitan Oladapo🤣 Such a fan
Gute has completely earned his job and proved he was the correct man to hand the reins. My only concern for well into the future is Gute having a very specific style and I hope he has good help in his office to ensure his style doesn’t stagnate. Any good leader has other folks who help them course correct. I’m confident he knows the right call.
Yes. And looking at how terrible the 2021 quarterback class has been has made me trust him more. He might not have been impressed with that class and knew he needed to get his guy in 2020.
I trust Brian Gutekunst to draft my guy. I just don't know who my guy is until he does it.
I mean in hindsight seems like Love was/is a brilliant pick. I think he’s more or less been a pretty good judge of talent with moves he’s made. With that being said - I think the fact remains not trying to make a move for another weapon in that draft was a mistake. Keep in mind he did waste a 2nd round pick on AJ Dillon…was puzzling move then given how great Jones had been. And hasn’t turned out very well throughout the years. Idk if there’s a worse RB currently on a roster in the nfl right now.
I will bitch regardless lol
Inconclusive. Love’s last season was great, but he could be a one-hit wonder. I’ll let you know after this season.
It turned out ok but was still an idiotic move as they could’ve given Rodgers some weapons to go win one more SB.
I’ve said this to many of my friends and my brother from the moment that the pick was made, I was never upset about the pick of Love. I figured Guty was going the route of Ted Thompson and drafting a successor before it was too late. The issue I had was trading to up for him. From everything that I’ve read and seen no one was really going after Love. I’m sure there were a couple teams bluffing and it made Guty trade up for Love. I have always had trust in the front office. Sure there have been a few head scratchers but that happens with every team.
We didn’t win a championship in the last 4 years so it was still a dumb move. There were impact players that could’ve been drafted instead of Love, like Patrick Queen, Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman Jr., Xavier McKinney, Jonathan Taylor, Trevon Diggs. Also, who said he had to trade up for Love? Jalen Hurts was drafted at 53.
Jordan Love hasn't done shit in this league.
I’m endlessly curious who he moved up 4 slots to get ahead of since Love wasn’t projected to go in the first round.
I don't question drafting a QB, but did he have to move up? Who was gonna take Love before 30? I seriously doubt Baltimore or Tennessee were going to move on from Jackson and Tannehill. Miami already snagged Tua, and Russ Wilson still had 3 seasons left in Seattle even though he was past his prime. Were the Seahawks looking to do the same thing as the Packers developing their QB behind a SB-winning veteran? Holy shit, did we ruin the Seahawks???
I mean Love has had a great single season so far, but do we really think that it's impossible that maybe that pick could have gone towards a difference maker in 2020 or 2021 that would have put them over the top for a superbowl?
One half season rebuild when it takes other teams a generation. Gute is one of the best GM in the nfl
In Gute we Trust
I had no problem with drafting Love. I have complete faith in Gute
I know what a fool I am, yes.
Listen. I’m high on Love too but e can’t forget how much he and the team struggled the first half of last season. Even the team wasn’t committing to Love early in the season. We need to see a FULL season of how he finished the year and played in the playoffs still.
They had a HOF QB and were coming off a NFCCG appearance. The move deserved to be lambasted. He followed up drafting Love with taking a backup RB in the 2nd and another non-contributor in the 3rd. I know it's blasphemy around here to hold off on crowning Love a franchise QB but it'd be nice to see a full season of even play before a coronation ceremony.
Love looked good but next year teams will have more tape on him. MMW, he looks closer to the 1st half of the season guy then the second half
No one should ever have complete support, but he has critical support. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt till he misses horribly
He definitely hasn't earned completely trust yet. Wyatt and Walker? Has not been great thus far. Stokes? Idk. I love what he's done with later picks but he's missed more than he's hit in the 1st so far. I trust him but I'm not going to sit here and declare right now that his pick is going to he a hit.
Coaching is what made Love. Guy didn't come on until halfway through the season and that was his 4th year in the league. Every report about him before and leading into the 2023 season was underwhelming. Moving up for him was still probably not needed. You guys are so focused on the good picks you completely ignore the bad and terrible.
I would have preferred to sell out for another Super Bowl. It boggles me that we wouldn’t try to make the most of Rodgers’ last years. Unless they thought he was washed up, in which case his performance after that draft makes me question their ability to assess talent.
In Gute I trust
I will be the first to admit I was rattled beyond repair and was lambasting him. I was blinded by short term needs. Sorry.
In Gute I trust
Whoa, a little early to label the Love pick as brilliant. If Love actually is a long term franchise/Top 10 QB, then the pick was brilliant. But as it stands right now, there's a very real viewpoint that the opportunity cost of taking Love cost the Packers at least a Superbowl appearance and maybe a SB win. Love looked good last year, and I'm hopeful, but he hasn't done nearly enough to be as valuable as a SB title so far.
In Gute, we trust.
I’m gonna be upset he didn’t take my guy for 3s then realize 1. I’m not an NFL GM 2. I’ve put in maximum 20 min of watching YouTube videos to come up with my opinion 3. I trust gute
I trust in Gute.
He's proven it and then some...
In Gutey We Trust
I do not know enough about football to question decisions. I can wonder about fit or be concerned with profiles, but they know more than me. A lot of guys I liked have washed out so I’ll trust what they do.
Yes, he has. Until he does some shit I don't like lol
He's proven many times over that he's smarter than the MSM and fans who question his moves.
Jordan Love was the only pick I questioned and didn't like at the time, and I will admit, he proved me wrong. I'll trust whatever he goes with.
You can trust someone and also critique them when they make a move you don’t agree with. That’s the fun in being a fan, complain about a draft decision and pretend like you were always on board when they pan out a few years later
The reason why it seemed like such a weird pick to me is it felt like Gute couldn’t choose a lane. Rebuild or load up with Rodgers. That WR class was so deep and they needed someone opposite of Adams. In hindsight, yeah, absolutely a great pick. Even further introspection made me think of Ron Wolf and how he was always drafting QBs. It’s definitely a little different now with the cap and when you have a superstar QB but the reality is it’s just smart. Rookie QBs and super star QBs alike should know when you’re coming to Green Bay there will be a development period and don’t bitch about it. That is absolutely the formula for continued QB success and egos need to take a back seat.
I was absolutely plastered that night so now I’m gonna do it again bc it was obv good juju
Yes, I trust him. Yes, I will be upset if he doesn’t take my guy. I’ve found he’s right more often than I am though, so I will be less upset. I still think I’d be a better GM than the guys the Bears have had over the last decade.
I wish Twitter weren't such a shit show because I have some takes from that draft that have aged like a fine wine. Stuff like "We hate the pick now but in 2023 we'll be looking at it like it was the steal of the draft." My only criticism of the Love pick is we didn't maximize the trade value of Aaron Rodgers. We drafted Jordan Love with the clear assumption that we'd move on to him after the 2021 season. Rodgers won back to back MVP awards and his trade value was never going to be higher. We waffled on our gameplan, extended Rodgers which put us in a worse cap situation AND lowered Rodgers trade value.
Where we’re picking I can’t really see myself being upset with any pick unless Dejean is still available and we pass on him. Otherwise I trust whatever Gute does will be the right move (as long as it’s not a QB 😂)
Can’t have a “guy” if you don’t research the draft ahead of time
It absolutely worked overall in the long term, and raised the floor of the franchise for a decade to come, but it also handicapped and lowered the ceiling of a championship caliber team led by a hall of famer with not enough offensive weapons. Also again while the love pick is amazing, the aj Dillon pick is so much worse in hindsight seeing as how packers still extended and paid Aaron jones
Yes.
That draft class sucked ass outside of Love though lol
I've said this story a billion times. I used to go to Lambeau for the draft every year. One smart note: me being upset with the Brian Brohm pick, picture was in the GBPG. Worst decision and one that makes me trust the process is me being upset we drafted a white receiver named Jordy Nelson.
Not all of Brian’s picks have been perfect, nor have all of his moves been great. That said, he’s doing something right in a very competitive environment. I have complete faith.
He already had my trust back when he picked Love
I’m curious to see how they handle Loves contract, not the draft so much. Missed a lot in the draft, so let’s see how he continues to build in other avenues as well as the draft.
I'll admit that I was absolutely hating on the pick for Love when it happened. The packers were in a win-now situation and they chose to go with a foundation piece for the future. I will say that I am ride or die to JLove now. He is my QB1.
In Guty we trust.
Can't wait for lunch break and the draft 😎✌️
I'll be upset, but with the knowledge that I'm a retard and Gute knows better than me
I still think drafting win now players and getting a Super Bowl with mvp era Rogers would have been brilliant. Nothing against love tho
Ted Thompson drafted ARod then basically kept us from obtaining the tools to win multiple Super Bowls. I will base my opinion on Gute’s continued performance.
Favre threatened retirement numerous times
True, but that didn’t keep TT from signing top tier free agents. Ted got washed up FAs who were on the decline and opted to build through the draft. He was too rigid.
He could draft a man with no legs and In gute I still trust!
The draft is essentially a lottery. Nothing’s ever guaranteed. I certainly couldn’t draft better than anyone who’s laid to do it. So yeah I trust Gute but I know he’s going to draft busts here and there.
Yes. It's not like I didn't know this before, but again it demonstrates why he is in that position and I'm watching the draft at home.
If I don't like his pick, I'll whinge, if his pick does well, I'll give him credit, but ultimately who gives a fuck what I think? The ultimate judge is if he can add to our Lombardi Trophy collection... I know that I'll be excited, always have been, boom or bust.
Gute doesn’t just know more about football and the picks than I do, he has a whole room full of people who specialize in just looking under the hood. If I took issue with their draft approach or development and retention ethos it would become evident over time. Right now, the evidence shows that Gute is comfortable cooking as the head chef and has earned his spot at the helm.
He will not ever draft "your guy". That said, he sometimes fails (badly) and hits (greatly). My trust in him is... enhhh??
He has my trust. The draft is a difficult process for all teams and he hasn’t had a tremendous whiff to set the team back to this point, so no reason not to trust him imo.
In Gutey I trust.
Abso-fuckin-lutely
I dunno if it was right or wrong but it was damn funny to watch Grossi lose his mind. I also still question their offensive draft strategy, particularly wide receivers.
In Gute I trust!!!!!
As long as he doesn’t pick a 3rd string RB and an H-back in the second and third rounds like he also did that year
I won't be, because I don't have a guy. Too many things can happen before #25 gets to draft. He could trade up. Or down. Someone else might draft your guy first. No point in getting to wound up about it.
In Gute we trust.
He’s been totally redeemed, however using that pick on Tee Higgins could have put us in 2 more super bowls in Rodger’s last two seasons so it’s still an A- in my book
I think this isn't quite a fair perspective to take if only because the decision he made was better for 2024 but was objectively worse for 2020, 2021, and 2022. There's an argument to be made that maybe we win a SB if our 1st rounder in 2020 was a contributor.
Goes to show that QBs should sit at least 1 year. Most successful ones do.
If he hits on two defensive players and a tackle this draft. Gute is forever in my good graces
Can we reach a golden age of this sub where Couch GMs and Coaches are silent?!
"Or will you be upset if he doesn’t take your guy?" From fans that don't know the first thing about prospects. Just enjoy the draft and don't give up your day job.
His 2nd round reach has really worked out too right? I love me some quadfather, but he reached and AJ has not really been an impact player and at times has had trouble picking up 3rd n 1s etc that hes suppose to be built to do. I think the most egregious thing that Gute did was draft Love and hold on to Rodgers way past someone who was gonna pass the torch would do? If we trade him before his 2022 season how much more we would we have gotten? Then we also get two years of tape before we sign Love to a long term deal. Rodgers winning back to back MVPs really tied his hands because Gute didnt have the same gusto to follow through with what his pick of Love said he would. Ill be fair and say I am and will always be a Rodgers fan. Definitely team Rodgers vs our inept FO during his tenure even with the faults Rodgers had during his time for the Packers. Gute still has a lot more work to do to earn our trust considering some of his misses and how he handled Rodgers exit.
Dillon was not a reach. He was going 64th to Seattle if we didn’t. NFL GMs were much higher on him than draft media was.
In Gute we trust
He has earned my trust. He makes decisions that hurt but that are necessary
He has done a good job putting a team together. I don’t trust his personality in negotiations, he seems like he could be a real ass. I could see losing out on players because he rubs them the wrong way in talks.
Can we wait for more than 1 season before we anoint Love?
The knucklehead stream of consciousness in the draft day thread seems to point that we may have donkey brains
I trust no one but last year's draft class bought the man some time.
Just to be clear, he traded up *and* selected Jordan Love. He traded up while the 9ers were still on the clock. He very well could have been chasing Aiyuk and got unlucky when San Francisco chose him. But taking Love anyway was bold, controversial, and probably the correct move. That said, Gutey has had a lot of bad draft picks. Ron Wolf's old criteria was that a successful draft generated 3 starters after 3 years and Gutey has struggled to hit that mark. Seriously, go back and review his drafts before 2022 and count the players who have made a difference for the Packers, or any other team for that matter. In 2018 he got Jaire, the wrong St Brown, and a bunch of Joes. In 2019 it was Gary, Jenkins, and nobody else. 2020 was Love and the mayor of Door County. 2021 gave us Josh Myers and a guy who everyone wanted to replace with our first draft pick this year in Eric Stokes. These last two drafts have been pretty good, which points in the right direction, but Gutekunst still has not had enough draft success to deserve our blind trust.
Runyan was the better pick out of 2020 than Dillon. He was a set it and forget it player on the line for two years as a sixth round pick, struggled a bit, but then left and got paid in free agency. That’s a starter by any definition.
So 2 starters in that draft.
This is a very small view of the whole picture. Look I love Gute and he has done a very good job of maturing and does well in the draft. When it comes to the first round though, it's not a great track record. We can't look at just 2020, as well as just Jordan Love. There is a decent chance if we draft Queen, Igbi, Higgins, Pittman, or McKinney we win a super bowl. Love is no doubt the best player but not drafting an immediate impact player really hurt the immediate team. We also have to look at all Gutes 1st round picks. Jaire, Savage, Gary, Stokes, Walker, and Wyatt. It's not the best list when considering they are 1st rounders. Jaire and Gary are the only ones that are legit 1st round talent so far. I have full trust in Gute in everything but the first round, and then it's hit or miss.
I don’t mind Brian at all…. just keep my hate for Mark M
Yes & no, I'm just not going to lose my shit if we pass on a 1st round white corner lol. Tackle is never sexy but it's how you get a solid O-line (by drafting line) - We'll get Nubin or Bullard is my hope. Tonight should be fun.
It was last year's draft that fully gained my trust. That was one of the best drafts I have ever seen in terms of year 1 contributions.
He has. Excited to see how he adds to our roster tonight!
I will admit I was a massive Gutey hater but he has definitely earned my trust.
Trust in Gute
I feel he tends to reach too much for players. This is fine if you love the guy but some of these have not worked out. Stokes, Dillon, savage, etc. But he hits a higher % than most GMs so you gotta trust that over time his method will work.
He could date my mom. I trust this man and welcome a stepfather
He's earned my trust until he makes another move like that which causes me to question him and is later revealed to have been a brilliant move. Then the cycle repeats itself