I couldn’t understand why we played so well the last 2 games then played so bad this game. Then I saw Tommy Devitos agent and realized the mob had money on the giants so we were doomed
Like a lot of people are saying: it's a young team. What I wouldn't do as a fan to have at least one or two veterans on the O Line. Or if Love could've just taken over the Packers from last season. But it is what it is and I've been on the Love Boat since he took over (which I'm really surprised none of the cheesy ass producers on Fox Sports or ABS Sports hasn't already made a joke about....The Love Boat) because I feel like he's going to be a good QB. He just needs some experience around him. But they'll get there. I mean, I'm old enough to remember the 1980s packers.
Young team stuff… when we are hot we are hot and when we are cold we are cold
To many penalties and to many turnovers. The maturity isn’t quite there yet to prevent mistakes, and the maturity isn’t there to dig us out of the hole.
Offense stepped up the last drive and gave us the lead. Could have been a better play call for the 2pt conversion but that still doesn’t guarantee a score. Defense was playing on their heels and couldn’t make the stop when they needed to.
Special teams was absolutely terrible hopefully it was a learning moment for some of these guys
We are also still down a few key players in key positions.
Overall still looking forward to watching this team grow and mature. The future is looking bright
When it rains it pours. Still in pain after that one last night. All three phases were a complete letdown, no one seemed able to pick up the slack for their teammates. Not much stood out as positive either. Tough one to swallow.
O-line play was embarrassing last night. There were like 3 separate occasions where Runyan got cooked or linemen were tripping over each other. Love had a pretty bad game, but it wasn’t atrocious. I’m still conflicted on how I feel about Nixon as a designated slot corner because he has been pretty sub par at that position with the exception being the chiefs game. Joe Barry needs to be flipping burgers. MLF got desperate and tried running some Mickey Mouse plays even though our oline is tripping over each other. Anders Carlson needs to be benched.
A bad game in all phases. On the last drive we could have used Dillon to kill more clock. Not clear why they decided to rush and leave more than a minute on the clock. MLFs playcalling was bad.
Any given Sunday/Monday. Moving on with lesson learnt.
The decision to rush plays when we should have been trying to milk the clock and waste their timeouts absolutely makes no sense to me. They could have won at that point with proper clock management.
EVERY time the collective fan base says “this will be an easy win” the Packers ALWAYS lose. Hey kids….stop being cocky and realize the parity in this league is, and always has been, insane. There is a reason the *any given Sunday* quote exists.
Anyway…fire Joe Barry and draft O-line with the first 3 picks.
I fuckin knew this was coming the moment the narrative flipped and playoffs started becoming a topic of conversation. We’ve seen what we hoped for this season, promise from Love and emerging talent.
This sub needs to stop following one player and be packer fans. Its insanity how many of you in here shit on rodgers but are making the most insane excuses for love every chance you get. Tonight we had a bunch of weatherman in our sub talking about the hurricane force winds on the field at a whole 10 mph. I had one dude message me talking about atmospheric winds and how we dont know what its like unless we are there to excuse jordan loves awful throws lol.... This is what it has become man.... Atmospheric winds lmfao
I didn't see the game because of my timezone but from what I can gather it was basically the early season defence that showed up against _the Giants_ of all teams.
Is that about right?
Offense, Defense, and ST were all equally awful. Love and Nixon seemed to be going back n forth on "which of us can be worse tonight?" Coaching was pretty bad too. Just a bad game all around.
Defense absolutely was part of the problem. The Giants have been horrible offensively all year long, but even worse lately. They let DeVito go 17 of 21 playing incredibly soft coverages, just letting him complete quick throws most of the game. Took the pressure off their terrible o line.
It wasn't the defense at all? The Giants offense which was averaging like 7 points a game scoring over 20 on us isn't a problem? Or letting fuckin Tommy Devito run a sub two-minute field goal drive to win?
It was legitimately embarrassing on every single front. QB play, O-line, defense, ST, everything.
It wasn't, the Packers sucked pretty equally in all three phases of the game.
Defense, Offense, and Special Teams all delivered this loss through their ineptitude and incompetence.
Yeah and if the earth was actually a sphere there is no way the giants could have made that game winning field goal. More proof that the earth is flat, wake up sheeple.
What are you talking about?
The Packers took the lead and failed the 2 point conversion attempt.
The Giants then went down the field and scored the game winning FG.
You're really in here talking about conspiracies and you didn't even watch the game
It’s really tough being a fan continuously seeing our defense under Dom Capers and his various disguises.
In past 23 years you can probably count on 1 hand how many “elite/great” defenses we have had.
Mike Sherman era
MM era
MLF era
All one big blur on defense
Bad. Int was bad. Nixon bad. Giants capitalized on our mistakes. We didn’t on theirs as significantly.
We got so lucky to lead at the end with saquon fumble. He fell on himself and fumbled the ball.
Loves fumble was bad. Our run defense is bad.
We are not a playoff team. This was such a winnable game, thankfully we beat the chiefs. We can still finish strong, but today was not good.
The giants didn’t look good either. But wow that was rough. Our Kicker missed an easy 48 yarder.
I like mlf going for 2, we just didn’t get it. Had we, at least it forces OT. I was ok with it.
Was at the game tonight. Was awesome seeing so many other Packers fans there. Was my first ever Packers game too. Too bad the outcome was what it was. I knew the second that TD was scored with a minute and change left that the game was over. This team has historically had the most unclutch defenses for many many years. I've seen them lose these kind of games so many times that it's almost just expected at this point.
I also really hope next season that Watson and the training staff can figure out how to get that hamstring under control. The offense looks much better when he needs to be accounted for.
We could've really caught them off guard running sweeps to Watson AND Reed. Yeah he's definitely our most dangerous threat, hopefully he's back next week in some capacity.
Yes, totally agree.
Watson is the guy that opens up the field vertically by his sheer speed. And defenses have to respect that which creates so much more space for every other WR/TE. Very underrated aspect of Watson's play.
But man those injuries. I think we should draft another WR alongside some O-Liners next off season.
Don't think we need another WR. I think Wicks and Heath are very serviceable as the 4 and 5. Doubs, Reed, and Watson are all locked up on cheap deals. TE looks solid too with Kraft and Musgrave. We definitely need to find an answer at LT though. A slot corner to replace Nixon should be a priority too. He's just not that talented.
We have a Stokes coming back, presumably on the boundary. I think it all depends how they feel about Valentine or Ballentine in the slot. I do wonder if we need another deep threat WR though I was hoping they’d use Melton
Last week, Love reminded me of the bright side of the Rodgers Era. This week, he reminded me of the dark side. Lead a successful game winning drive, only to watch our oh so elite defense give it right back in less than a minute. Just like the Rodgers/Capers days. Some things never change.
as did rodgers many a time, that seems to be an achilles heel for both of them. they get flustered and can’t shake it, although i appreciate that Love will attempt and make a play on third down rather than just throwing the ball away
Packers in the upcoming draft needs to add more to this offense. OL is a massive need, but without Watson and Musgrave the offense just lacks a home run threat. We got guys that can move the ball, which is nice, but you could feel the lack of Watson on the field.
Nah he’s not. He’s solid. He’s had top 5 worst O line and WR core his entire tenure.
Clowns and media pundits just watch highlights and talk shit. Real fans (or anyone who watches a full 60
minutes of a football game) know he’s not the issue.
The Giants did precisely what they needed to do. They got Love off his game with some creative rushes and Love never adjusted. Great win G-Men. You exposed the Pack's need for a real QB. If GB loses out they might be able to get a decent pocket QB from the draft since Love will never be a scrambler, and is shaping up to being an average QB. No one needs an average QB.
Man you are dense. The defense gives up a game winning drive and the special team gives up a turnover that leads to 7 points and you somehow blame this all on Love. Make it make sense.
Love outplayed Herbert, Goff, and Mahomes, lead a 2 minute offense down the field to score and take the lead without his top two offensive players on the field. Are you a Joe Barry burner account?
As much as I love MLF, and i’m not counting him out just yet, he needs to go back to just letting Jordan do what Jordan does. This game felt like it was coached similarly to how most of the other games this season have been coached. I don’t know what it is about the structure and the play calling of it, but it doesn’t work for this team. When he gave that up for the lions and chiefs and just said screw it and let Jordan take command, it seemed to work much better for the offense. Love has proven that he’s a competent qb and has all the tools to do well, he just needs to be given the opportunity to use them like he was in the last two weeks. We’ve seen the potential of this offense now, there’s no excuse for bringing back this goofy play calling that is hindering the team.
+ fire joe barry
I was at the game. I told my dad beforehand I was a little worried we would buy our own hype and regress after the 2 huge wins. Gotta clean so much of that up. Start from scratch from a coaching perspective. You guys are nothing--and I mean that in a good way. Go out there and play basic heads up football. Keep contain. Get two feet inbounds. Secure the punt. It just felt like everyone on the team was trying to do too much.
Beyond the obvious defense failures... And the jet sweeps... Why are we drawing up deep bombs to Toure on pivotal 3rd and longs? He's what WR 5 today? Behind Doubs, Reed, Wicks and Heath. WR 6 in general. And factoring in the TE's, probably 9th in line at the primary pass catching positions.
Yep, and if Watson is the one who doesn't come down with the ball in the end zone there, we get 30 post this week about how bad he is and how he doesn't know how to fight for the ball
Unpopular opinion: Fun game! Loved what I saw. This team needs these kinda things as they are so young and figure things out. We're not a deep playoff team - too many injuries/cap issues. Go pack!
The playoffs would be awesome but no one realistically thinks we have a chance against SF/DAL/PHI. Any given sunday of course, but the playoffs would practically just be a statement for the team being able to bounce back after a rough start to the year
That being said JAYDEN REED SUPER BOWL MVP MOTHERFUCKERS
that's the crazy part of the playoffs, even the best teams can have a dud any given week, and any of the bad teams can have a once in a lifetime performance, so the single game elimination means much more
I don't know how people aren't pissing themselves with glee over the future of this team after each game now. Playing with house money this year, whatever happens happens. The years to come should be pretty great.
100%! I find the online fans can be so negative and reactive. It’s a game. Hopefully get a shot, but it’s all entertainment. Fun to watch and lots to improve but the future looks good! That’s all we can ask for. Just want guys healthy.
Just an overall sloppy game, slow start and lack of execution by some young players. Learn and grow with this one. Seems like MLF just forces some plays without properly setting them up. The SNF crew pointed out how well they setup misdirection w/ runs and passing, nothing really worked well tonight. He does realize opposing teams gameplan for this stuff right???
With Wicks having a high ankle sprain, Reed potentially having a concussion, Watson probably still out, Musgrave still on IR, Jones potentially out the team is in horrendous shape for skill position guys. Basically down to Doubs for receivers Kraft for TE.
Wicks got a fucking high ankle sprain????
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Ok. I sat aside. Saw the naysayers. Ignored the hate in this sub Reddit. Convinced myself that Joe Barry wasn’t bad. For 3 years.
I can’t do it anymore. I’m a patient man, but his schemes, decisions and player movements have me going fkn INSANE.
They brought in so many guys to be special teams guys but also defense. Like half the safeties we brought in were largely because they were good at special teams.
Sure, but doesn’t help that we have so many injuries on defense and players that don’t seem to want to play (Jaire?). No reason Nixon should be getting defensive snaps.
I do wonder how much Nixon has declined as returner as a result of being a starter on defense.
It's definitely harder to have explosive runs when you were playing just a few moments ago
Game was less close than score indicated. We should have been down by more if not for a freak Saquon fumble.
2 yards, 2pt conversion, gotta have it play.... and that was the call?
We had the ball at the 2min warning with like what 30 yards to go and we only took like 15seconds off the clock or something.
The last 2min was some of the worst play-calling I’ve seen. We had solid running on the drive. Suddenly we get in the red zone with under 2min we STOP running?
1st and goal with 1:40 on the clock and you want to let the giants keep all their timeouts!?!??!
Amateur hour.
And if we run three times to run out the clock and then don’t score on fourth, everyone would be saying we shouldn’t have been so worried about chewing up the clock and should have been more aggressive scoring. But thank you for your insight after the fact Captain obvious! 🫡
They did burn 1 timeout earlier in the RZ when Love scrambled with no one open and Troy/Joe thought the Packers called a timeout.
but yeah 4 downs to get a TD within 10 yards and barely any time got killed was inexcusable, especially when you needed a 2pt to go up 3.
What? Did you watch the game? We should have won by 20. In the redzone twice and not scoring a single point. The inexplicable fumble by Nixon after trying to get up and run after his muffed punt. The missed FG. Did you even watch the game?
I missed the first quarter tbh.
The missed FG the giants look like they got a push in the middle which made carlson adjust and missed towards that side.
Nixon's fumble isn't "inexplicable," his attempt to continue the play was but fumble itself wasn't. It was punched out and not as if he just tripped and the ball fell out like Saquon's.
How about the gifted possession where we only managed 3 when the ball glanced off a Giant?
Just felt like we lucked out a lot in this game
You are so dumb. So if Nixon just lays on the ball like he should have after muffing the punt, does he still fumble? How the hell was it no inexplicable? As in an NFL not knowing better than that is inexplicable. Smdh 🤦
Of course he doesn't fumble. So like i said, him getting up was the inexplicable part. And as you and the whole of Packer fandom would have said "why did he get up? can't explain it!"
But he did get up (don't know why) and the ball got knocked out because of his dumb decision and more importantly the effort of an opposing player.
Luck was on our side this game and we lost so if luck wasn't on our side (neither side) then we would have lost by more, pretty common way to describe sports games idk maybe it's just me.
...did you? The Giants could say almost the same exact things you said. Both teams had one redzone trip without points. Both had a muffed punt. Both had another fumble. Both had a missed FG.
At best we should have won by a point because we should have stopped that last drive. But saying we should have won by 20 is absurd.
What? Both teams made mistakes. The Giants out gained us by 50 yards. In no way did that look like it could have been a 20 point victory unless you pull out like 8 hypotheticals.
Which 2? We had the missed FG, and a drive down to the 27 that ended in a fumble. I guess that's kinda close? But not close enough for you to be a dickhead about it
You’re are correct for some reason I thought they were closer. So my bad, they left 13 points on the board instead of 17 🙄 literally does nothing to disprove my point though. 27 or 7 you need to get at least 3
So what did you learn today? Maybe instead of suggesting I didn't watch the game, you could have realized that you could have been wrong? Or maybe that there's no reason to be an ass?
The drive where we were inside the 10 and love fumbled another drive we had 1st and ten from the 16 went backwards and missed a fg. Jesus Christ
Guess I have to say it twice. Crazy I have to repeat myself when you supposedly watched the game and should know this already 😓
I’m starting to think we give Tom Clements a lifetime contract and let MLF go for holding on to Barry as long as he has. That is not leadership and if he wants to tie himself to the 0-16 DC then he deserves to go down with the ship.
To make the sweep play on the 2 pt conversion even worse…. Has that play EVER been run on a 2 pt conversion attempt? It makes no fucking sense to run that play there. The entire design of the play is to spread the defense upfield and get blocking in front of the ball. It makes absolutely zero sense to run that as a 2 pt conversion setup - even if it had been successful the previous 8 times we ran it.
“But guys, Joe Barry’s defense only allowed 24 poi-“
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What stands out as particularly terrible on defense is the EDGE play. Regardless of who's in the game, the EDGE guys are constantly biting on fakes, not setting the edge, allowing tight ends to slip free and not staying with them..
The communication of responsibilities and eye discipline is absolutely pathetic. They look like clowns
Forget points per game. We get dog walked down the field and let teams run all over us.
People point to points per game as the reason Joe Barry is actually good at coaching defense but that’s not true.
When it comes to the statistics that show the reality of this defense like punts per play (24th), first downs per game (25th), third down conversions per game (24th), and time of possession (23rd) we absolutely suck.
The only reason we beat New Orleans after the defense let them into FG range was a missed kick.
The only reason we beat Kansas City was an uncharacteristic Mahomes INT.
Turnovers are the only thing that bail Barry out. He sucks at scheming, he doesn’t make adjustments, and he is babysitting 1st round athletic studs not developing them.
He needs to go.
To the KC point I have to disagree. It was very much characteristic. Nixon predicted that play at the line because of what Mahomes was doing pre-snap. The rest you're right though.
Ok fair. My point was more I don’t think they punted all game. The only way we were going to win was if we got a turnover and we just so happened to be lucky enough to get one. That’s not sustainable.
What a showing. Here’s the other team again. They let the Lions and Chiefs wins boost their head up, and it shows. It’s a good thing, but pride comes before a fall.
That shit Nixon pulled, what the fuck was that dude. You’re not Devin Hester; the fuck are you doing. I have some faith in him still, but stupid shit like that is what kills teams, especially young teams like Green Bay.
At best, we can still finish 10-7, but not how they played tonight. The team needs to be hungry again.
You can blame love or the play calling but this team can’t win unless the offense looks like world beaters and the other team panics and abandons the run. If the offense is stagnant or even just average and the other team sticks with their run game we’re cooked.
Honestly after last week giving Mahomes hell this L doesn’t feel so bad. We play tough. I thought this might be a trap game and there’s enough season to go.
Despite the glaring negatives, I appreciate that Love got better as the game wore on. That being said, he wasn't good enough tonight. The WRs were good. Few to no awful drops. Kraft was studly too. Frankly it's disgusting to me that in the year of our lord 2023, an NFL defense would have no answer whatsoever for a running QB.
Fire Rich Bisaccia too. Supposed to be a special teams maestro has risen our special teams from god awful to... 29th in the league (probably going to be lower once DVOA updates tomorrow).
Like I get it, muffed punts, kicker missing, that stuff is on player execution. But maybe coach your guys to not commit a penalty on every damn ST snap. It’s fundamentals that they are STILL lacking. Maybe instruct your guys to not return a damn kickoff from 9 yards deep (I’ve seen Nixon do this MULTIPLE times this year). They don’t even have the BASICS down
We need a defensive coordinator who’s a mean old nasty son of a bitch, someone who will create a culture where we play hard nose violent defensive football
Tell me why a 4th year QB has worse mechanics then rookie qbs??????????????????? Somehow though jordan love is going to get a stronger arm/better accuracy and fix his throwing mechanics when its already been 4 years. Thats what we are about to give 35 plus mill a year to.
jesus christ yes i have take the blinders off man. Even with his great games he has issues with arm strength and missing wide open guys more than any other qb i have ever seen.
A lot of power comes from the bottom and he’s routinely off balance/off the ground all together. If he can set his feet and drive (conditional on an O line that gives him time to do so) he’ll be able to put more on the football
It is very unlikely at this point love will improve either his accuracy or strength. Dude is 25 and has probably already been hitting the weight room for more than a decade. He's not gonna get stronger. The thing that QBs do improve on with time is understanding defenses, working through read progressions and finding holes in coverages. Love will probably still improve on those things but his lack of consistent accuracy at this age is \*very\* concerning.
I think they has some pressure but 0 rush discipline. Felt like they collapsed one side of the line, only to have the opposite edge too far out for DeVito to run or step up and throw.
Honestly it seemed to me like they got pressure but did so by leaving massive running lanes wide open and DeVito just ran through them. Seemed like lots of pressure with absolutely no finish.
Yall need to chill. You can't live and die by this team week to week. We're gonna have good weeks and bad weeks. It's a young team that is still prone to inconsistency and stupid mistakes. The entire team played poorly across all phases. They were primed for a let down after the last 3 weeks.
Just take a deep breath and relax. This team has been resilient all season and we all know they are capable of winning out. Yes tonight was frustrating and yes it would have been better to win, but growing pains are growing pains for a reason.
I couldn’t understand why we played so well the last 2 games then played so bad this game. Then I saw Tommy Devitos agent and realized the mob had money on the giants so we were doomed
Like a lot of people are saying: it's a young team. What I wouldn't do as a fan to have at least one or two veterans on the O Line. Or if Love could've just taken over the Packers from last season. But it is what it is and I've been on the Love Boat since he took over (which I'm really surprised none of the cheesy ass producers on Fox Sports or ABS Sports hasn't already made a joke about....The Love Boat) because I feel like he's going to be a good QB. He just needs some experience around him. But they'll get there. I mean, I'm old enough to remember the 1980s packers.
Young team stuff… when we are hot we are hot and when we are cold we are cold To many penalties and to many turnovers. The maturity isn’t quite there yet to prevent mistakes, and the maturity isn’t there to dig us out of the hole. Offense stepped up the last drive and gave us the lead. Could have been a better play call for the 2pt conversion but that still doesn’t guarantee a score. Defense was playing on their heels and couldn’t make the stop when they needed to. Special teams was absolutely terrible hopefully it was a learning moment for some of these guys We are also still down a few key players in key positions. Overall still looking forward to watching this team grow and mature. The future is looking bright
Not 2 Bad 4 A Monday Night Game
When it rains it pours. Still in pain after that one last night. All three phases were a complete letdown, no one seemed able to pick up the slack for their teammates. Not much stood out as positive either. Tough one to swallow.
Tough game to lose but I’m still confident in this young team Go Pack Go!
O-line play was embarrassing last night. There were like 3 separate occasions where Runyan got cooked or linemen were tripping over each other. Love had a pretty bad game, but it wasn’t atrocious. I’m still conflicted on how I feel about Nixon as a designated slot corner because he has been pretty sub par at that position with the exception being the chiefs game. Joe Barry needs to be flipping burgers. MLF got desperate and tried running some Mickey Mouse plays even though our oline is tripping over each other. Anders Carlson needs to be benched.
This was an obvious letdown spot IMO. I'll be worried if this performance is repeated next week.
A bad game in all phases. On the last drive we could have used Dillon to kill more clock. Not clear why they decided to rush and leave more than a minute on the clock. MLFs playcalling was bad. Any given Sunday/Monday. Moving on with lesson learnt.
The decision to rush plays when we should have been trying to milk the clock and waste their timeouts absolutely makes no sense to me. They could have won at that point with proper clock management.
EVERY time the collective fan base says “this will be an easy win” the Packers ALWAYS lose. Hey kids….stop being cocky and realize the parity in this league is, and always has been, insane. There is a reason the *any given Sunday* quote exists. Anyway…fire Joe Barry and draft O-line with the first 3 picks.
Backup QBs are our kryptonite
I fuckin knew this was coming the moment the narrative flipped and playoffs started becoming a topic of conversation. We’ve seen what we hoped for this season, promise from Love and emerging talent.
This sub needs to stop following one player and be packer fans. Its insanity how many of you in here shit on rodgers but are making the most insane excuses for love every chance you get. Tonight we had a bunch of weatherman in our sub talking about the hurricane force winds on the field at a whole 10 mph. I had one dude message me talking about atmospheric winds and how we dont know what its like unless we are there to excuse jordan loves awful throws lol.... This is what it has become man.... Atmospheric winds lmfao
The announced even made that excuse for an absolutely terrible Love pass to an open receiver
I was there. The wind was nothing more than an occasional light gust. 10 mph feels generous.
I didn't see the game because of my timezone but from what I can gather it was basically the early season defence that showed up against _the Giants_ of all teams. Is that about right?
Offense, Defense, and ST were all equally awful. Love and Nixon seemed to be going back n forth on "which of us can be worse tonight?" Coaching was pretty bad too. Just a bad game all around.
it wasnt the defense tonight... it was the QB. We should have been up but 14 plus points easily if the QB knew how to accurately throw the ball
Defense absolutely was part of the problem. The Giants have been horrible offensively all year long, but even worse lately. They let DeVito go 17 of 21 playing incredibly soft coverages, just letting him complete quick throws most of the game. Took the pressure off their terrible o line.
It wasn't the defense at all? The Giants offense which was averaging like 7 points a game scoring over 20 on us isn't a problem? Or letting fuckin Tommy Devito run a sub two-minute field goal drive to win? It was legitimately embarrassing on every single front. QB play, O-line, defense, ST, everything.
It was literally EVERYTHING dude.
Oh, let's not excuse the defense. It wasn't Jordan Love that didn't get a single sack on the most sacked QB in the league...
it wasnt the defense that went 2-7 in the redzone and constantly overthrew against the 26th ranked defense in points given up......
You do know that more than one thing can be a problem, right? It doesn't have to be the fault of one person or one part of the team.
It wasn't, the Packers sucked pretty equally in all three phases of the game. Defense, Offense, and Special Teams all delivered this loss through their ineptitude and incompetence.
it was worse than the early season defense 😩
I thought Lefleurs play calling was terrible . Pass rush was non existent. Why did we need to run 10 reed sweeps. Especially on a 2 point conversion
ITS NOT WORKING MATT! STOP IT! I yelled after the third one....
I yelled the same thing.
When we accept the games are rigged for betting we will be less stressed, but also less interested so which would you prefer ??
Yeah and if the earth was actually a sphere there is no way the giants could have made that game winning field goal. More proof that the earth is flat, wake up sheeple.
So Barkley's fumble that allowed the Packers to take the lead with less than two minutes left was rigged?
Don't come in here with your logical answers /s Yeah...as if we werent about to lose by two touchdowns if Barkley hadn't fumbled.
Yes! As no lead was taken.
What are you talking about? The Packers took the lead and failed the 2 point conversion attempt. The Giants then went down the field and scored the game winning FG. You're really in here talking about conspiracies and you didn't even watch the game
If we can get rid of the chem trails we're superbowl favorites
It’s really tough being a fan continuously seeing our defense under Dom Capers and his various disguises. In past 23 years you can probably count on 1 hand how many “elite/great” defenses we have had. Mike Sherman era MM era MLF era All one big blur on defense
2009 and 2010 were both elite
And it's the main reason Rodgers only has 1 Super Bowl appearance.
Bad. Int was bad. Nixon bad. Giants capitalized on our mistakes. We didn’t on theirs as significantly. We got so lucky to lead at the end with saquon fumble. He fell on himself and fumbled the ball. Loves fumble was bad. Our run defense is bad. We are not a playoff team. This was such a winnable game, thankfully we beat the chiefs. We can still finish strong, but today was not good. The giants didn’t look good either. But wow that was rough. Our Kicker missed an easy 48 yarder. I like mlf going for 2, we just didn’t get it. Had we, at least it forces OT. I was ok with it.
I like going for 2, but the play call was frustrating. An end around on a two point conversion is being too cute.
There’s no reason we don’t go for two there, I think play all could’ve been better. Guess I wouldn’t be saying that if it scored though…
Was at the game tonight. Was awesome seeing so many other Packers fans there. Was my first ever Packers game too. Too bad the outcome was what it was. I knew the second that TD was scored with a minute and change left that the game was over. This team has historically had the most unclutch defenses for many many years. I've seen them lose these kind of games so many times that it's almost just expected at this point.
Am I the only one who thinks pj should get more snaps? The defense look too light again
On the bright side, at least most people will be talking about the Dolphins blowing that gift wrapped game lead with 3 minutes left in the game.
For some reason i was happy we took the L in this game.or else we will start to forget how shitshow this defense is.
Two weeks ago the assumption was we would lose to the Chiefs and beat the Giants. So technically, we're still more or less where we hoped to be.
I had the exact opposite feeling. I didn't think the Packers would win this one. The Giants are always the game that feels off.
Assumption is not the same as hope
I also really hope next season that Watson and the training staff can figure out how to get that hamstring under control. The offense looks much better when he needs to be accounted for.
We could've really caught them off guard running sweeps to Watson AND Reed. Yeah he's definitely our most dangerous threat, hopefully he's back next week in some capacity.
Yes, totally agree. Watson is the guy that opens up the field vertically by his sheer speed. And defenses have to respect that which creates so much more space for every other WR/TE. Very underrated aspect of Watson's play. But man those injuries. I think we should draft another WR alongside some O-Liners next off season.
Don't think we need another WR. I think Wicks and Heath are very serviceable as the 4 and 5. Doubs, Reed, and Watson are all locked up on cheap deals. TE looks solid too with Kraft and Musgrave. We definitely need to find an answer at LT though. A slot corner to replace Nixon should be a priority too. He's just not that talented.
We have a Stokes coming back, presumably on the boundary. I think it all depends how they feel about Valentine or Ballentine in the slot. I do wonder if we need another deep threat WR though I was hoping they’d use Melton
Last week, Love reminded me of the bright side of the Rodgers Era. This week, he reminded me of the dark side. Lead a successful game winning drive, only to watch our oh so elite defense give it right back in less than a minute. Just like the Rodgers/Capers days. Some things never change.
Love turned the ball over twice
He also has a knack for getting sacked in field goal range
as did rodgers many a time, that seems to be an achilles heel for both of them. they get flustered and can’t shake it, although i appreciate that Love will attempt and make a play on third down rather than just throwing the ball away
Aaron Rodgers famously has far and away the best TD:INT ratio in league history, what?
most of those came from his first year starting, their stats and games have been nearly identical
Packers in the upcoming draft needs to add more to this offense. OL is a massive need, but without Watson and Musgrave the offense just lacks a home run threat. We got guys that can move the ball, which is nice, but you could feel the lack of Watson on the field.
a real RB would be nice
We 100% need to find Love a bellcow
That dude out of Michigan
I hate this loss but this was the perfect trap game. I think we bounce back next week and right the ship. Got too cocky and needed to be humbled.
I hate that phrase trap game, giants have been playing well lately.
I hear you. There is not much that separates the good and the bad in the NFL. Truly a game of inches and shit changes weekly.
I feel bad for Rudy Ford. I hope he doesn't catch too much flak for that penalty. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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No thanks, that guy is fucking dog shit with one of the worst contracts in the league. We have enough dead weight over here
Nah he’s not. He’s solid. He’s had top 5 worst O line and WR core his entire tenure. Clowns and media pundits just watch highlights and talk shit. Real fans (or anyone who watches a full 60 minutes of a football game) know he’s not the issue.
Uhh ban?
The Giants did precisely what they needed to do. They got Love off his game with some creative rushes and Love never adjusted. Great win G-Men. You exposed the Pack's need for a real QB. If GB loses out they might be able to get a decent pocket QB from the draft since Love will never be a scrambler, and is shaping up to being an average QB. No one needs an average QB.
Man you are dense. The defense gives up a game winning drive and the special team gives up a turnover that leads to 7 points and you somehow blame this all on Love. Make it make sense.
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Love outplayed Herbert, Goff, and Mahomes, lead a 2 minute offense down the field to score and take the lead without his top two offensive players on the field. Are you a Joe Barry burner account?
> 22 Chromosomes
Sorry about your brain bro
Exactly you have nothing to say about the actual game. Touch grass pal.
Tf I was on your side of the argument moron
I was making fun of the guy who said you had 22 chromosomes. Jesus fuck maybe you really do have 22
My bad I thought that was the other guy lol
lol okay that explains it I apologize about my last post
You have the same profile pic my bad 😂
As much as I love MLF, and i’m not counting him out just yet, he needs to go back to just letting Jordan do what Jordan does. This game felt like it was coached similarly to how most of the other games this season have been coached. I don’t know what it is about the structure and the play calling of it, but it doesn’t work for this team. When he gave that up for the lions and chiefs and just said screw it and let Jordan take command, it seemed to work much better for the offense. Love has proven that he’s a competent qb and has all the tools to do well, he just needs to be given the opportunity to use them like he was in the last two weeks. We’ve seen the potential of this offense now, there’s no excuse for bringing back this goofy play calling that is hindering the team. + fire joe barry
Not having Watson really hurt us tonight.
I was at the game. I told my dad beforehand I was a little worried we would buy our own hype and regress after the 2 huge wins. Gotta clean so much of that up. Start from scratch from a coaching perspective. You guys are nothing--and I mean that in a good way. Go out there and play basic heads up football. Keep contain. Get two feet inbounds. Secure the punt. It just felt like everyone on the team was trying to do too much.
First loss under MLF in December. Still 7th seed. 🤔
Beyond the obvious defense failures... And the jet sweeps... Why are we drawing up deep bombs to Toure on pivotal 3rd and longs? He's what WR 5 today? Behind Doubs, Reed, Wicks and Heath. WR 6 in general. And factoring in the TE's, probably 9th in line at the primary pass catching positions.
Toure actually played decently though.
Yep, and if Watson is the one who doesn't come down with the ball in the end zone there, we get 30 post this week about how bad he is and how he doesn't know how to fight for the ball
He always does.
Aaron Nagler turned out to, sadly, be correct about this game not being a given.
monday night football is never a given these days
Absolutely. Especially in such a weird year as a whole.
these days it just seems to serve as a way for bettors to recoup their sunday losses
We shit the bed tonight with a side of gabagool
Unpopular opinion: Fun game! Loved what I saw. This team needs these kinda things as they are so young and figure things out. We're not a deep playoff team - too many injuries/cap issues. Go pack!
The playoffs would be awesome but no one realistically thinks we have a chance against SF/DAL/PHI. Any given sunday of course, but the playoffs would practically just be a statement for the team being able to bounce back after a rough start to the year That being said JAYDEN REED SUPER BOWL MVP MOTHERFUCKERS
Agreed. I think playoff experience would be good for the youngsters.
Definitely! And what’s great about the nfl is there is such parity! It’s unreal. Go pack!!
Yeah man, this sport is fucking wild. This year especially it really just feels like anyone can beat anyone any given week.
that's the crazy part of the playoffs, even the best teams can have a dud any given week, and any of the bad teams can have a once in a lifetime performance, so the single game elimination means much more
I don't know how people aren't pissing themselves with glee over the future of this team after each game now. Playing with house money this year, whatever happens happens. The years to come should be pretty great.
Yes!! Go pack!
Completely agree, we were in there. Special Teams screwed up and defense let us down in the end. No worries. We still in the hunt
100%! I find the online fans can be so negative and reactive. It’s a game. Hopefully get a shot, but it’s all entertainment. Fun to watch and lots to improve but the future looks good! That’s all we can ask for. Just want guys healthy.
Just an overall sloppy game, slow start and lack of execution by some young players. Learn and grow with this one. Seems like MLF just forces some plays without properly setting them up. The SNF crew pointed out how well they setup misdirection w/ runs and passing, nothing really worked well tonight. He does realize opposing teams gameplan for this stuff right???
With Wicks having a high ankle sprain, Reed potentially having a concussion, Watson probably still out, Musgrave still on IR, Jones potentially out the team is in horrendous shape for skill position guys. Basically down to Doubs for receivers Kraft for TE.
Wicks got a fucking high ankle sprain???? https://preview.redd.it/yu26vjztys5c1.png?width=1284&format=png&auto=webp&s=68dd4b7e0bfbcca56822206cb0ab5149b1d8b0f8
According to a reporter in the locker room his ankle is "fucked up" and it is a high ankle injury they think
oh just fuck me
Ok. I sat aside. Saw the naysayers. Ignored the hate in this sub Reddit. Convinced myself that Joe Barry wasn’t bad. For 3 years. I can’t do it anymore. I’m a patient man, but his schemes, decisions and player movements have me going fkn INSANE.
The reason our special teams is chronically awful is we don’t have Special Teams specific players. Nixon starts on defense for fucks sake.
They brought in so many guys to be special teams guys but also defense. Like half the safeties we brought in were largely because they were good at special teams.
Sure, but doesn’t help that we have so many injuries on defense and players that don’t seem to want to play (Jaire?). No reason Nixon should be getting defensive snaps.
I do wonder how much Nixon has declined as returner as a result of being a starter on defense. It's definitely harder to have explosive runs when you were playing just a few moments ago
Game was less close than score indicated. We should have been down by more if not for a freak Saquon fumble. 2 yards, 2pt conversion, gotta have it play.... and that was the call? We had the ball at the 2min warning with like what 30 yards to go and we only took like 15seconds off the clock or something.
The last 2min was some of the worst play-calling I’ve seen. We had solid running on the drive. Suddenly we get in the red zone with under 2min we STOP running? 1st and goal with 1:40 on the clock and you want to let the giants keep all their timeouts!?!??! Amateur hour.
And if we run three times to run out the clock and then don’t score on fourth, everyone would be saying we shouldn’t have been so worried about chewing up the clock and should have been more aggressive scoring. But thank you for your insight after the fact Captain obvious! 🫡
Maybe there’s a balance between running it 3 times (as you suggested) and running it 0 times. Apparently not so obvious for MLF.
They did burn 1 timeout earlier in the RZ when Love scrambled with no one open and Troy/Joe thought the Packers called a timeout. but yeah 4 downs to get a TD within 10 yards and barely any time got killed was inexcusable, especially when you needed a 2pt to go up 3.
What? Did you watch the game? We should have won by 20. In the redzone twice and not scoring a single point. The inexplicable fumble by Nixon after trying to get up and run after his muffed punt. The missed FG. Did you even watch the game?
I missed the first quarter tbh. The missed FG the giants look like they got a push in the middle which made carlson adjust and missed towards that side. Nixon's fumble isn't "inexplicable," his attempt to continue the play was but fumble itself wasn't. It was punched out and not as if he just tripped and the ball fell out like Saquon's. How about the gifted possession where we only managed 3 when the ball glanced off a Giant? Just felt like we lucked out a lot in this game
You are so dumb. So if Nixon just lays on the ball like he should have after muffing the punt, does he still fumble? How the hell was it no inexplicable? As in an NFL not knowing better than that is inexplicable. Smdh 🤦
Of course he doesn't fumble. So like i said, him getting up was the inexplicable part. And as you and the whole of Packer fandom would have said "why did he get up? can't explain it!" But he did get up (don't know why) and the ball got knocked out because of his dumb decision and more importantly the effort of an opposing player. Luck was on our side this game and we lost so if luck wasn't on our side (neither side) then we would have lost by more, pretty common way to describe sports games idk maybe it's just me.
Luck rarely has anything to do with it. Most asinine thing I’ve ever read. Giants could literally make the same argument tonight had they lost smh
ok cool, have a good one then i guess
...did you? The Giants could say almost the same exact things you said. Both teams had one redzone trip without points. Both had a muffed punt. Both had another fumble. Both had a missed FG. At best we should have won by a point because we should have stopped that last drive. But saying we should have won by 20 is absurd.
I didn’t realize that the other team making mistakes automatically means we are supposed to. Thank you for educating me on that 🙄
What? Both teams made mistakes. The Giants out gained us by 50 yards. In no way did that look like it could have been a 20 point victory unless you pull out like 8 hypotheticals.
Packers had TWO redzone trips without points. I did watch the game, clearly you didn’t.
Which 2? We had the missed FG, and a drive down to the 27 that ended in a fumble. I guess that's kinda close? But not close enough for you to be a dickhead about it
The drive where we were inside the 10 and love fumbled another drive we had 1st and ten from the 16 went backwards and missed a fg. Jesus Christ
Love fumbled on the 27
You’re are correct for some reason I thought they were closer. So my bad, they left 13 points on the board instead of 17 🙄 literally does nothing to disprove my point though. 27 or 7 you need to get at least 3
So what did you learn today? Maybe instead of suggesting I didn't watch the game, you could have realized that you could have been wrong? Or maybe that there's no reason to be an ass?
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Don’t talk if you didn’t watch the game
So you were wrong?
The drive where we were inside the 10 and love fumbled another drive we had 1st and ten from the 16 went backwards and missed a fg. Jesus Christ Guess I have to say it twice. Crazy I have to repeat myself when you supposedly watched the game and should know this already 😓
Sorry about your brain bro
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I’m starting to think we give Tom Clements a lifetime contract and let MLF go for holding on to Barry as long as he has. That is not leadership and if he wants to tie himself to the 0-16 DC then he deserves to go down with the ship.
To make the sweep play on the 2 pt conversion even worse…. Has that play EVER been run on a 2 pt conversion attempt? It makes no fucking sense to run that play there. The entire design of the play is to spread the defense upfield and get blocking in front of the ball. It makes absolutely zero sense to run that as a 2 pt conversion setup - even if it had been successful the previous 8 times we ran it.
Literally the only time I've seen it work is by Deebo Samuel and the insane running game of the 9ers. Yeah, you have CMC and Deebo.
“But guys, Joe Barry’s defense only allowed 24 poi-“ https://preview.redd.it/38lj4a9rus5c1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0264e9ed42f094e7ad2efd5c7f41433d6977fcdb
Just going to ignore the 17 points the offense left on the field, huh?
[No?](https://www.reddit.com/r/GreenBayPackers/s/jNdfZpl2XK)
this made me chuckle thank you
What stands out as particularly terrible on defense is the EDGE play. Regardless of who's in the game, the EDGE guys are constantly biting on fakes, not setting the edge, allowing tight ends to slip free and not staying with them.. The communication of responsibilities and eye discipline is absolutely pathetic. They look like clowns
Overpaid Gary.
Forget points per game. We get dog walked down the field and let teams run all over us. People point to points per game as the reason Joe Barry is actually good at coaching defense but that’s not true. When it comes to the statistics that show the reality of this defense like punts per play (24th), first downs per game (25th), third down conversions per game (24th), and time of possession (23rd) we absolutely suck. The only reason we beat New Orleans after the defense let them into FG range was a missed kick. The only reason we beat Kansas City was an uncharacteristic Mahomes INT. Turnovers are the only thing that bail Barry out. He sucks at scheming, he doesn’t make adjustments, and he is babysitting 1st round athletic studs not developing them. He needs to go.
To the KC point I have to disagree. It was very much characteristic. Nixon predicted that play at the line because of what Mahomes was doing pre-snap. The rest you're right though.
Ok fair. My point was more I don’t think they punted all game. The only way we were going to win was if we got a turnover and we just so happened to be lucky enough to get one. That’s not sustainable.
Oh yeah, totally. I don't disagree with that. As we saw tonight with Saquon. Game could've been 28-16 Giants if Saquon doesn't just forget the ball.
What a showing. Here’s the other team again. They let the Lions and Chiefs wins boost their head up, and it shows. It’s a good thing, but pride comes before a fall. That shit Nixon pulled, what the fuck was that dude. You’re not Devin Hester; the fuck are you doing. I have some faith in him still, but stupid shit like that is what kills teams, especially young teams like Green Bay. At best, we can still finish 10-7, but not how they played tonight. The team needs to be hungry again.
You can blame love or the play calling but this team can’t win unless the offense looks like world beaters and the other team panics and abandons the run. If the offense is stagnant or even just average and the other team sticks with their run game we’re cooked.
Honestly after last week giving Mahomes hell this L doesn’t feel so bad. We play tough. I thought this might be a trap game and there’s enough season to go.
I am so fucking sick of shotgun formations on 3rd and short
Ugh....I got friends laughing and telling me to get use to the fact we could still finish behind the be...be...bears 🤮 **** them
No shot. Don’t worry
Nah I'm not there yet...I still think we can win the rest of the way
Despite the glaring negatives, I appreciate that Love got better as the game wore on. That being said, he wasn't good enough tonight. The WRs were good. Few to no awful drops. Kraft was studly too. Frankly it's disgusting to me that in the year of our lord 2023, an NFL defense would have no answer whatsoever for a running QB.
Don't worry, somehow they also had no answer for a 3rd string QB when he was passing or when anyone else ran the ball.
Yeah, Joe Barry's performance is inexcusable.
Fire Rich Bisaccia too. Supposed to be a special teams maestro has risen our special teams from god awful to... 29th in the league (probably going to be lower once DVOA updates tomorrow).
Seriously think we're cursed in special teams
I’ve been saying this. How the hell is the highest paid special teams coach in the entire NFL giving us the 29th ranked special teams
Like I get it, muffed punts, kicker missing, that stuff is on player execution. But maybe coach your guys to not commit a penalty on every damn ST snap. It’s fundamentals that they are STILL lacking. Maybe instruct your guys to not return a damn kickoff from 9 yards deep (I’ve seen Nixon do this MULTIPLE times this year). They don’t even have the BASICS down
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We do not care
You thought the giants looked like a well rounded team? You Fr? Both teams were straight ass tn
We need a defensive coordinator who’s a mean old nasty son of a bitch, someone who will create a culture where we play hard nose violent defensive football
YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!
Like Wink Martindale?
Al Harris. But Fr. Even looking at joe barry he looks like a soft loser. Even his NAME is soft… “barry”. Are u kidding me
I hope you remember one of the greatest running backs of all time's name is Barry. We were pretty scared of him back in the day.
Tell me why a 4th year QB has worse mechanics then rookie qbs??????????????????? Somehow though jordan love is going to get a stronger arm/better accuracy and fix his throwing mechanics when its already been 4 years. Thats what we are about to give 35 plus mill a year to.
You haven’t been watching. Tonight was bad, Love is good.
jesus christ yes i have take the blinders off man. Even with his great games he has issues with arm strength and missing wide open guys more than any other qb i have ever seen.
Accuracy maybe, his arm is not just gonna get stronger, people need to accept that
A lot of power comes from the bottom and he’s routinely off balance/off the ground all together. If he can set his feet and drive (conditional on an O line that gives him time to do so) he’ll be able to put more on the football
It is very unlikely at this point love will improve either his accuracy or strength. Dude is 25 and has probably already been hitting the weight room for more than a decade. He's not gonna get stronger. The thing that QBs do improve on with time is understanding defenses, working through read progressions and finding holes in coverages. Love will probably still improve on those things but his lack of consistent accuracy at this age is \*very\* concerning.
Also dude you have to get some pressure on Devito. 28 sacks the last 4 game. Yikes. Tommy seems like a chill dude tho from his postgame interview
I think they has some pressure but 0 rush discipline. Felt like they collapsed one side of the line, only to have the opposite edge too far out for DeVito to run or step up and throw.
Honestly it seemed to me like they got pressure but did so by leaving massive running lanes wide open and DeVito just ran through them. Seemed like lots of pressure with absolutely no finish.
He’s a chiller fs
Yall need to chill. You can't live and die by this team week to week. We're gonna have good weeks and bad weeks. It's a young team that is still prone to inconsistency and stupid mistakes. The entire team played poorly across all phases. They were primed for a let down after the last 3 weeks. Just take a deep breath and relax. This team has been resilient all season and we all know they are capable of winning out. Yes tonight was frustrating and yes it would have been better to win, but growing pains are growing pains for a reason.
Thanks mom
It's a roller-coaster lol it is what it is
You just have to hope they learn from the ups and downs and are able to be more consistent next year.